You have 30 SECONDS to justify why guns shouldn't be banned.
what if Harambe attacks my baby?
>>703250581
Only guns I own are the ones passed down from my grandfather. I occasionally take them to the range and clean them, but that's all. Why should guns be banned?
Because I like owning them, fuck you.
>>703250581
Armed men are citizens. Unarmed men are subjects.
>>703250581
Because my safety is just as important as anyone elses.
Niggers.
>>703250940
>Why should guns be banned?
Because I want to see the people who don't agree with me politically get punished.
>>703250581
Militaristic gov't.
Jihadists and terrorists taking over first world countries.
Criminals don't give a shit about bans and laws, crime would end up going up not down.
>>703250581
you have 10 to explain why your feelings are more important than my security
I have a wife and daughter. The chances of a break in while we're home is pretty small, but I keep a handgun in my dresser drawer just in case. Does anyone really think I shouldn't have that right?
I need to protect my property from the oppresive guvment
>>703250581
Constitutional right.
>>703251301
>Constitutional right.
This, and I don't trust any current politicians to meddle with the constitution.
>>703251299
Yes. There are people who believe that. They are called idiots.
>>703250581
Since we have an enumerated right to own firearms, the burden lies on you to justify why they should be banned faggot.
>>703250581
Same reason alchohol isn't banned. They're fun
>>703251186
Guns don't make you secure.
>>703251699
Alcohol is not a constitutional right. But, I agree with you. Guns are fun.
>>703252106
>Guns don't make you secure.
Guy is breaking into your house; are you more secure or less secure with a gun in your hand?
Be less fucking stupid,
>>703252106
They are a tool of security.
>>703251561
Ooooh yes tell me more about your idea. So according to you all non-american are idiots? Because only in that shitty country everyone including child have a gun
>>703252364
Yes, they are idiots when it comes to the 2nd amendment. Like us Americans are idiots when it comes to German affairs, UK Affairs that we don't understand.
>>703252257
Guy breaks into your house, you pull out a gun, he's already fucking shot you, because you cretins are allowed guns.
Now you're dead, rather than tv-less.
Be less fucking stupid.
>>703250581
I don't have to justify my weapons to anyone in any given time frame.
>>703252573
Non-American spotted.
>>703252573
So you'd rather be unarmed vs. the intruder with a gun? How dumb can you be faggot?
>>703250581
Automatic weapons, explosives, and any type of "modified" rounds should be illegal and considered weapons of war. Semi auto and bolt are tools for hunting and protection
There are a lot of automatics that serve no purpose outside of war and should not be sold to civilians, thats probably most of them.
Hand guns in general are the same but thats much more of a political issue I suppose. They ought to be harder to own and users better trained and monitered. You should have to take it back to the seller and have them test your handling and go for frequent mental re-evaluations if you own one. At the moment the regulations dont really match the horror show that is murders by hand guns.
>>703252711
Not worth your breath. Non-Americans don't understand our gun rights or culture. To be fair, like we wouldn't understand their lack of a gun culture.
>>703250581
Because not all black people are murdering gang members, why punish all of the USA because of gang bangers and hoodrats.
>>703252726
Nope.
>>703250581
I would have to say the constitution of the united states.
>>703252760
No. If you want that, then every year people should retake their driving test to make sure they know how to drive. I don't want to go on a check up for my gun handling skills. Esp if the govt is watching
Literally Canada's gun laws should be adopted. The only thing I want up here would be open carry permits.
Guns are an equalizer for the people.
An armed society ensures that the government is always held in check by an equal opposing power (the people) and will never step beyond the constraints placed on them by the constitution.
To elaborate on why government should be kept in check, take the free market:
A customer desires something, an entrepreneur sees this desire, be it a service or a good, and fulfills that desire while making a living in the process. Both parties are happy, the government is nowhere.
With socialism, the government punishes you for doing well in the society by imposing heavier taxes on the wealthier classes. It's an idea where Elon Musk must lend a hand down to the laziest scum of the earth druggie and say "here is some of MY money, congrats for being alive".
To circle back around, the government should be kept in check to preserve the freedom of the people. Not just of the market, but freedom of speech, etc.
>>703250581
Because of how good you'd look lined up in my ACOG
>>703253178
to be fair it doesnt ensure shit. patriot act circumvented the right to privacy in your personal affects and in your home.
>>703252516
Why only you stupid muricans feel the need to own a gun? You can't fucking live your life normally
>>703253178
Haha you seriously think that an armed society could hold their own against the might of the US armed forces? You're a fucking moron! A deluded moron at that!
>>703252573
Cool, now you don't have a gun, and he rapes your wife before running off with your t.v.
SHame you didn't have a gun so maybe you could have had a chance to fight back, huh?
This game of "what if" can go on and on, your not giving a proper argument as to why guns should be banned.
>He thinks American could possibly have a European or Australian style gun laws.
Yeah, because it's not like we have 2 gigantic fucking land borders, one of which already has tons of drugs flowing across it. Getting guns in this country illegally is so impossible!
But let me guess, you'd like to ban guns, but a wall sounds like a dumb idea, right?
>>703252760
At least this faggot isn't trying to hide behind the "safety" issue while only attacking automatic weapons. Never seen someone against the second amendment that mentioned Hand Guns would have to go, too. Most lefties leave that part out knowing once the process starts they can take the handguns away any time.
>>703253488
oh this old chestnut. think of it like nukes. its mutually assured destruction but not really. its actually the fact that it would take more people and firepower than the military has to invade its own country.
>>703250581
Guns in the populace help preserve your ability to post stupid challenges on the internet.
>>703250581
Niggers
>>703253488
>Haha you seriously think that an armed society could hold their own against the might of the US armed forces? You're a fucking moron! A deluded moron at that!
Yes, because an armed society ensures we won't get to the point where the government is sending the military to attack us. And if we did get to that point, most of the military would defect rather than agree to attack their friends, family, and neighbors. Try to think things through.
>>703250581
Because niggers exist
>>703250581
I hunt and eat what I kill
>>703253724
Smart man.
>>703250581
I live in the UK. I've managed to go my entire life not seeing a gun, and I'm very happy about it.
Especially happy about all those mass shootings you keep not hearing about.
>>703253724
Army Airborne Infantry vet here and I can tell you that statement is pretty much 100% true. We actually used to joke about how quickly we would turn on the government of they ever tried to make enforce some crazy shit. Talk to any cop too, they'll tell you the same.
>>703254320
Maybe we should send you all our niggers?
>>703253488
Well the Taliban and Al Qaeda did a decent job for 15 years against the US military
>>703253488
go read up on the very first days of the American Civil War.
Better yet, go find some of the names of the officers who took part in the Mexican-American war, and then go find those names in the American Civil War, and tell me if you see more of them on the Union side, or Confederate Side.
Protip: Most of them went to the Confederacy. Turns out when a government tells soldiers their gonna have to go to war against their own homes, march on their friends and family, most of those soldiers tell the government to go fuck themselves.
>>703250581
Because they are an invention. Our sentience has the ability to create what we wish.
>>703250581
bc I like them
I also like alcohol, weed and coffeine
WMDs should be banned, maybe even everything that could kill a couple of people at the same time. but other than that?
I want to be able to plant landmines in my front garden. Not to mess with my neighbors, just to mess with people who have an other opinion on that matter
2nd Amend. U.S.
>>703254320
We've got black people in this country, and there doing just fine. We were treating them normally back when you guys were still segregating and lynching them.
>>703250581
because you're a dumb trolling faggot.
>>703254689
>Turns out when a government tells soldiers their gonna have to go to war against their own homes, march on their friends and family, most of those soldiers tell the government to go fuck themselves.
This. Lee was offered command of the US army, but turned it down because he could not attack his home. He loved the union and said he would sacrifice everything but honor to preserve it.
>>703251012
this.
>>703254683
Time for your schooling. That's because it's a conflict and not an actual war. This means more regulations and much more strict rules of engagement. If it had been declared a war, Afghanistan probably wouldn't even exist anymore. Its not hard for those sandniggers to put up a fight when their opposition has one hand tied behind their back.
>>703250581
1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!!!
Robbers won't get there brains blown out by themselves!
>>703250581
The same why reason you're asking.
>>703254787
and the best stuff will be banned or never allowed to exist. example: tesla's Ionosphere generators. There is and always will be a group of people that dedicate thier lives to keeping the power in the hands of the few.
>>703254320
I live in the United States of America. I have never seen a gun. The first and only time I have ever seen a gun was actually in Canada. I laugh when I see rape statistics among other things exploding because European countries feel that cultural suicide is a good thing in the name of progressivism.
>>703255257
I don't think you understand what the conflict in Afghanistan was.
The government of Afghanistan was ON THE SIDE OF THE AMERICANS, they were both cooperating in fighting the Taliban.
So you see that America can't exactly level fucking cities if they want to, they're still trying to assist the afghan government.
The same case would happen in a civil war. Nobody is going to fucking level Boston because there is a rebel commander hiding there, it's going to be a long, messy series of fights in the streets where there will be huge civilian casualties.
Now you see how guerilla war works.
>>703253092
Id say it should be optional and maybe manditory over a 2-3 year period, to have least once taken it to be inspected and maybe undego some simple tests with the supplier or someone qualified. Old fire arms should be exempt i suppose.
>>703255656
>I have never seen a gun
>The first and only time I have ever seen a gun
Get the fuck out you contradictory douche.
>>703250581
You can kill yourself
>>703253488
Found the modern day loyalist. Fuck off and die scum.
When has an unarmed person ever been better off when a bad guy with a gun harms them?
>>703250581
Guns should not be banned because it's the second amendment doesn't have a "but only if it's not scary" clause at the end. How about instead of the second amendment, we take away your fifth and seventh amendment rights? That way you don't need a reason to lock you in jail for the rest of your life and when they drag you into court, you won't have a right to an attorney, you'll have to defend yourself against a lawyer.
How about that, slick? How about we just take away guns, justified prison terms, and the right to legal aide?
>>703255769
I'm sorry *never seen a gun in the USA. There does that soothe your autism?
>>703256053
Does it make you any less of a terrible writer? Nope.
People with magic wands could destroy you if didn't have a gun.
https://youtu.be/mXnhsBe8NJk
I think the first amendment and 4th amendment are also outdated. Should we just ban those too? Im sorry but knowing that only government has guns while we are limited to clubs just doesn't sit well with me.
>>703252726
How about Semi-Auto 12ga shotguns? E.g. Saiga, Spas-12, M1014.
Turn home invaders and oppressive government pawns into a puddle of red goo
>>703256200
My bad professor faglord. I didn't realize I was turning my post in for a letter grade.
>>703250581
because i want them not to be
>>703256531
what you dont understand is people that go on gun law crusades would love to ban hate speech. so there goes the first amendment.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>703252760
America was founded on the idea that the people were well armed enough to overthrow the gubberment if they had to.
If the Gov have auto weapons..so should responsible citizens.
Criminals have access to them anyway.
>>703256716
Nope, you're just submitting it to be read and understood by other anons. And it wasn't intelligible the way it was written.
>>703254797
Only nuclear weapons should be banned.
The components should be used for fuel for reactors to produce energy.
Chemical agents are fine so long as they only selectively kill humans and harm nothing else, such as the ecosystem. Kill the people who are fighting in the war in an efficient manner, then the war ends because there is no one alive to fight.
Also, this would preserve any resources and infrastructure that would be obliterated if a nuclear weapon was used.
Muh 2nd amendment
>>703256795
I know I was being sarcastic. And you know whats funny? Those people who want to ban guns and hate speech will hire people with guns to make sure you comply.
2nd ammendment
Because they're cool
>>703250581
Cuz i want them
>>703250581
because there's still niggers on the streets
>>703250581
People like you. Good enough? If not, too fucking bad, mouth breather.
They make good lollipops for the depressed
>>703257007
I know you were but the person you were replying to would love to take away your right to free speech. the constitution is lost on them.
>>703252364
>being this angry he cant own a gun
I had to wait a half hour to get my handgun. It was bullshit. I had to walk around and look at other merchandise while I waited for my background check to clear.
>>703250940
nothing bolt action, small caliber handguns, or semi-automatics with a waiting period and small magazines, air rifles/range pistols, or pump action shotguns. But idiots who jerk off over their guns are way more likely to escalate a situation to violence when they have a gun, and crazy fuckoff psychos are able to inflict way more damage with readily available large magazine high caliber firearms.
>>703252257
You're getting robbed, give them what they ask and have some insurance. No need to escalate violence because of some stupid hero conflict
>>703251012
holy fuck are you serious? The government has nukes, snipers and drones. The idea of an armed insurrection to prevent tyranny is complete bullshit. Liking your hobby is fine, but this whole don't tread on me angle is complete nonsense. If you get into an armed standoff with the gov they can take you out from 1000 miles away if they need to.
>>703257641
Keep drinking that libtard Kool-aid, dumb dumb!
>>703252921
They make it look easy, guess I just need to practice more.
>>703257817
What other animal in nature will cuck themselves in the face of a predator? Kill yourself.
>>703257817
I bet you like getting cucked, you beta faggot
>>703254320
Nice hearing about those jihadist beheadings in the street though. I wonder how that would go over in Texas.
>>703258015
Scroll up, this dumb shit was already proven to be a false premise.
>>703250581
because we live in a violent country where the immigrants all have agendas against the native christian population from being oppressed by the american government at some point in the history of their people.
Bolters are a gift from his Divine Emporer!
>>703256825
Id hope that there are legal ways to modernize the laws surrounding ownership that fall better in line with the times we live in in a way that promotes better education and responsibilty between the suppliers and the community. I think the number of gun related deaths in peace time is a serious concern that out weighs some of the justification for mandating broad sweeping statements on ownership. It needs help from both sides and I hope they can work together for a future with less deaths and responsible behavior, and I hope to see more moderate ownership according to the state and the government.
>>703255514
Build a weapon greater than anything else they could possible achieve with their own intellect and that will never happen.
At that point, you have the big stick, but can walk as loud as you want.
>>703258015
*10,000 miles
>>703251012
untrue. childish answer.
so we can keep drinking liberal tears
>>703258015
holy shit dont you understand the military wouldnt kill its own people just because the government said they were a threat to their power.
>>703257817
I dont want to have an extra bill a month just so I can get returned what was stolen from me. I dont want a criminal to be able to rob me and acquire what I worked for for free. I dont want him to be able to steal and benefit from it. i'd rather him just die. Not being edgy or a hero. I'd just rather him die than lose my possessions.
Yes, my possessions are worth more to me than his life and especially your life, tool.
>>703258241
they would just steal it and say they invented it and you would end up dead somewhere.
>>703255980
but there's nothing sacred about the 2nd amendment, we've made new amendments to change old ones all the time, ultimately guns for sport are fine, but guns as home defense are pretty inefficient. If you have a hammer, every corner eye shadow looks like a rapist nail. I get you get a hard on for the idea of shooting a home invader, but just use a non lethal option. A gun is a pretty certain ending to a low information situation
You have 30 seconds to tell me why the internet shouldn't be banned.
>>703251139
/Thread
So I can legally purchase a gun to blow my brains out
>>703258554
>all the time.
the last time the constitution was changed was over 200 years ago boyo.
>>703258519
No, because you would use it as soon as it's ready and take control without hesitation. They would be none the wiser with the current state of surveillance. I would love to help the NSA improve their game, but they don't have a place where you can enlist.
>>703258015
Because that worked in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
The government isn't even willing to use extreme measures against shitskins, why would they do it to their own people, when the military would be most likely to disobey?
>>703250581
because blacks live among us.
>>703250581
because u're an fag
>>703258918
/b/ros, start working on emp technology. I know a few autismals out there can figure it out, just keep it to yourself.
>>703258815
are you serious, voting age amendment ratified in 71, congressional pay amendment ratified in 92. Christ, you must work in sales to possibly be this braindead
I like guns.
>>703258057
>703258057
dat rhetoric
I don't really need 30 seconds as to why I need to justify it. In my country, it's a right.
YOU need to justify why they SHOULD be banned and then you'll have to get enough sheeple behind you to actually do something about it.
Until then, I don't give a shit, and I enjoy being free enough to own a firearm if I like.
Vote TRUMP
>>703258409
exactly, so why do you need the threat of force to disincentive tyranny. There are other ways to prevent the government from being assholes, most notably intensive documentation, but as long as the peaceful transfer of power persists the idea of leading an insurrection against the gov is laughable
Just try to take a gun from someone who believes in the fore fathers and the amendments that were created as a base for this country to succeed.
You will be shot.
>>703258918
so this government that won't warcrimes you out of existence is really necessary to scare via implied threat of force. You realize that your response to the argument that 2nd amendment does nothing to prevent tyranny due to comically over matched levels of equipment is that of course the government would never act tyrannical
>>703250581
Because its in my bill of rights you cunt. End of story.
>>703250581
2 letters and a word.
L.A riots
>>703259410
Because being armed requires the government to escalate force, leading to the situation described. Without guns, the government just sends in police with tear gas and water cannons and there's nothing anyone could do.
because the vast majority of gun crime is committed by dumb niggers carrying illegal weapons
educated, vetted gun owners are not the issue here
>>703250581
I'd rather have a chance to shoot first rather than just getting shot.
>>703259410
What you describe as laughable recently took place in Egypt and is currently taking place in Syria.
>>703250581
Why single out the Gunns? Why not ban all highlanders?
>>703259736
Having an armed population means the government would be forced to deploy the military. An unarmed population wouldn't require more than the police to be compelled.
>>703258015
You kill them BEFORE they set off the nukes you fucking idiot.
Eat shit, commie.
>>703250581
>>703251300
>>703254874
>>703254874
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>>703251561
I don't believe you should be able to express this opinion. It's dangerous and mean.
>>703252573
there will never be a time in americas history that criminals do not have access to guns...there are far far to many in circulation now that it will never happen...what will happen is most law abiding citizens will not have guns but the criminals will.....it will take decades to even make a dent in the amount of illegal guns in usa
BECAUSE this is America you fuckin bitch now stop tryin to take away our RIGHTS you fuckin beta faggit
>>703252760
Rate of fire should not be the litmus test for ownership. Demonstrated ability to live within the confines of the law should be.
Therefore, if you're not a lawbreaking scum asshole, you're free to own that $20000 automatic weapon. If you can afford it that is. They're a hot commodity because they stopped allowing the manufacture of those types of weapons after 1986.
Also, only brain dead retards demand someone explain why they NEED a constitutionally granted right. You may not give a fancy fuck about 2A, but I'll bet your pink panties you'll lose your shit over some asshole demanding you explain why you need a first or a fourth amendment right.
>>703261053
It's Bury Park in Luton.
I remember a gang of nine asian boys trying to chase me out of their turf, said they were the BPYP, the Bury Park youth posse, fucking laughable.
I went mental and they ran off, I chased them for a few hundred yards and they fucked off.
It's 30 years later now and they have the protection of hate crime legislation that means in the same situation a couple of them only need to say I called them a racial epithet and I'm going to prison.
They are fucking cowards, every fucking one of them.
>>703250581
Less guns = less niggers killing niggers
Less guns = less white trash killing white trash
Less guns = more morons roaming around longer
>>703250581
Cause people need to hunt and defend the 37th amendment and some people are optically challenged and paranoid
>>703262460
They love u man
>>703260248
This.
Which, by the way, is the entire point of the 2A. Checks and balances.
Now, I know the anti gun fans are frothing at the mouth over this "antiquated" idea, so let me just say this: If you believe those weilding power will not use it against you at any point, then you don't need any rights. But you all know that's a retarded fantasy and I'm sure you could dig up countless situations where Republicans have oppressed your people.
>>703262867
See>>703263308
Hunting has nothing to do with it.
>>703262460
Sucks, they conquered your country with children.
Because this is America! If you don't like the rules you can get out!
Blacks.
>>703264104
#BlackRiflesMatter
>>703258015
I wish they nuked you faggot.
>>703260248
>>703251607
>a well regulated militia. Not shooting kids in the head privately.
>>703264320
The first amendment doesn't apply to the internet.
USER WAS BANNER FOR THIS POST
>>703265009
You are aware that a comma separates ideas, right?
There are 2 essential parts of the second amendment. A right to form a militia separate from the state and an individal right to bear arms. This does NOT mean a standing army controlled by the state, which is precisely why the final line is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
>>703265407
Or phones, television and radio right?
>>703265882
I'm German, so I may be reading it wrong. But the way I read it and the way that it was meant (according to my knowledge) is this:
Since a well regulated militia is necessary, the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
>>703258015
You're ignoring the fact that dead people can't be subjects. Which is the entire point. Semi and full auto guns aren't an equalizer to a standing army with tanks, nukes and aircraft. But they need not be. They only need to make tyranny difficult.
>>703252106
>Guns don't make you secure.
>Anon doesn't like taking it in the ass.
>>703266249
Sort of. The key thing to remember is that the constitution already calls for the particulars of an army and navy. The bill of rights was created to specify the most important individual rights of the people.
The well regulated militia was meant to be independent of a standing army, which necessitated the second part guaranteeing the individual right itself.
>>703250581
Because since dawn of time only slaves were forbiden to own weapons. Think about it.
>>703250581
All the people who you wouldn't want to have a gun already have one
>>703252106
Sure they do anon. Fear of getting shot is a great reason to not bust down someone's door.
they shouldent
>>703253488
>Pic related
Read it and weep cuckhold
>>703267904
Fuck, forgot pic
>>703257817
Should I also suck his dick while I'm at it? You've clearly had enough experience in the field.
Because one day we might be invaded by aliens or a junta might try to take over.
As a jew I support the second amendment and want suppressors to not only be legal but mandatory. When properly implemented they increase both accuracy and muzzle velocity. I'm against full auto though. 2 round burst I get, 3 decreases accuracy and full is just asking to hit the wrong people by mistake.
>>703267993
how many tom clancy novels do u think this guy has read
2nd amendment... that was easy
>>703250581
banning guns? whats the point if you cant erase them from existence? you will just take them away from normal people, while muggers and robbers use them anyway.
>>703250581
Because people should take responsibility for their actions instead of passing the buck to some inanimate object.
>>703268961
lol how often are guns used in self defence
i think statistically the majority of legally owned firearms are used for
1. suicide
2. homicide against family/loved ones.
this whole line of logic of ordinary people stopping criminal is probably the biggest lie perpetuated by gun advocates
if your concern is home safety then how about we just limit your guns down to a single bolt action for your home. that's a weapon, you can defend yourself, so surely that's enough?
> naw man i want my ar15 w/ extended magz and hollow pointzz an red dawt :))))
>>703268621
Again, rate of fire as a litmus test for gun ownership isn't useful. Modern firearms are very lethal, regardless of how fast they fire.
Smart, law abiding citizens don't fire any weapons in a manner that endangers people. Demonstrating that you're a person living within the confines of the law should be good enough for ownership.
SHALL
NOT
Be
>>703256850
everyone else understood, maybe you're just retarded.
INFRINGED
>>703269338
This whole line of logic that most firearms are used for suicide and homicide is perpetuated by anti gun fearmongers.
Most guns are used to punch holes in paper at the range.
So it don't get raped by a bunch of refugees
so you have a means to defend yourself
>>703269338
Also, guns are a tool. But this tool is unlike any other. Ownership alone accomplishes the most important goal of deterring tyranny. They need not be fired ever to accomplish this goal.
banning guns will work just as well as banning drugs.
>>703270006
no, they're based on statistics gathered by the CDC for deaths involving firearms.
>>703270298
cool, then just take the single bolt action & put in your safe and never access it other than for cases of tyranny.
>>703270397
Not necessarily. You can't use a firearm quietly in your own house. For some, ownership means regular use, which would be impossible without a high chance of being caught.
But your point is taken.
You ban guns then criminals will be the only ones with access to them
honestly the idea of banning guns is stupid. since when do criminals who are willing to kill you going to follow the law.
>>703270525
>citation needed
Because, there are millions of guns in use everyday at the range. Far more than are being used to commit crimes.
>>703270787
except that's not comparable, obviously.
you do realise what you've said is not a counter argument to what I've said, right?
> we use guns to stop bad people
> no, they're mostly used to kill yourself or family.
> but guns are mostly used for shooting paper.
do you see why that doesn't work?
this is sort of like primary school intellectual ability testing
one of these is different from the other.
good luck.
>>703270641
Why bolt action? Because it makes you feel safer?
Perhaps you should be limited to a 286 for expressing your first amendment rights on the interwebz.
Once again, it's fucking flat out retarded to use a rate of fire as a litmus test for gun ownership. Only your ability to live within the law should be considered.
>>703250581
Burden of proof rests with those who think they should be banned.
Also (assuming we're talking about the US)
>2nd Amendment hasn't been repealed, so the law leaves no room for an outright gun ban
>Slow police response to rural areas
>Hunting, sport
>Safeguard against tyranny
>Protection of women
>>703250581
self defense is a human right
>>703271077
because thats a gun, and you've made the point the only reason you want the gun is because
1. stop tyranny
2. stop threats to your home
a bolt achieves that.
the only reason you'd want more than a bolt is because you wanna play rambo and be tacticool.
so you're either a legitimate supporter of your amendments & protection of your family
or you have other motives.
which is it?
>>703250581
Because people that intend on committing crimes with guns will not care if they're legal or not.
>>703270992
I think you're having great difficulty understanding.
Let me help you.
You claim that most guns are used to commit suicide or homicide. I claim that most guns are used to punch holes in paper.
But nice try with the ad hominem attack. I learned about that in primary school.
>>703270649
it's true that you can't use them in the same manner. but banning them will do nothing to stop them.
it's sad because it's a paradox where no good solution exists. the simple fact is humans are imperfect beings, due to this we are doing pretty well at controlling what in reality is utter chaos.
>>703257641
Most gun deaths are accidental.
The rednecks with guns that you seem to think cause the majority of gun deaths are actually not much of a problem at all in terms of their threat to society.
Most criminal gun homicides are committed by blacks against blacks.
We have a problem with violence in black communities, not a gun problem.
>>703250581
the second amendment.
>op is a faggot yet again
>>703271417
reread the post again.
not engaging with you further.
focus on the part about them not being comparable.
>>703258015
Hey if they kill me with a nuke, then they wont have anyone to be tyrannical over, so i still won.
>>703250581
2nd Amendment.
Right to Bare Arms.
The reason that was put into place so we can match our military. But with the Weapons that the Military have now, Citizens have no right to own, I like my AR-15 as much as the next law abiding citizen. But do you really need a fully automatic weapon?
>>703259039
congressional amendment was submitted in 1782 and ratified in 1982 not exactly the same as amending the constitution.
>>703257817
Cuck.
>>703251300
You need to go back to school.
>>703253651
what's wrong with australian style gun laws? sure you can't have any of the really powerful ones but at least you're still allowed to have them
>>703252364
He never said anything about non Americans
>>703250581
because i'm mentally competent enough not to shoot another person over something trivial like wearing the wrong colors, a petty aurgument, or using them as leverage to steal things under threat of being shot.
also my guns are my guns, no one is going to borrow them and if one or more happen to get stolen i would contact the authorities with make and serial numbers
i live in an area with not much crime, i don't see them as deterrents for defense and also know i wouldn't stand a chance against the military. mine are just for hunting and plinking.
>>703271306
No, I made the point that the purpose of the 2A is a deterrent. Not a personal desire.
I think you're very fearful of something you have little understanding of. Modern sporting rifles are semi automatic and have detachable magazines. They are modular, upgradeable and able to be personalized. There's a lot of reasons why new technology like that is desirable for sportsmen. It doesn't have to be just your very limited understanding of Rambo and tacticool.
Why should I subject to having a right taken away? statistically is you own a pool, someone will die, but I wouldn't want my right to chill in the pool taken away either.
>>703271686
It was made the way it was so to safe guard the people from any possibility of future tyranny. If our government desides to suppress us we can fight back.
>>703271527
So you admit that the millions of firearms being used across the US at ranges is more than the ones being used for suicide or homicide?
>>703251299
Daughter finds gun, plays with it. Shooter herself. You walk in just as her lifeless body hits the floor. You freeze, a single tear rolls down your cheek. A low rumble begins to come from the body. Glass falls off shelf, breaks. 27 tenticals spew from the body. Shes been an alien this who fucking time. Here to judge humanities right to exist. We've failed. To dangerous. Should have had a fuckin trigger lock!
You fuckin want that on your hands? I dont, Ill be damned if im gunna let you fuck up my chance at joing the Intergalactic space harmony act (Ish) you fuckin dick
>>703250581
Because OP's a nigger redneck.
>>703271780
You can't have the really scary looking ones that are less powerful than the ones you can have.
The guns in question, usually the AR platform, fire a much smaller and less powerful round than guns that are legal in Australia.
>>703272123
if its a deterent, then as I've already stated, purchase a bolt and store it in a safe and never access it other than in cases of tyranny.
if its for self defence, then as I've already stated, purchase a bolt and store it in a safe and never access it other than in cases of home invasion/threat.
personalize the bolt all you want, but only access it in the cases we've outlined as the reasons to own a gun
i.e. tyranny & threat.
otherwise you clearly have some other motive that extends beyond your amendment and self defence.
any further questions?
>>703272404
The solution is to not have a stupid daughter.
>>703257641
That's weird, I love my guns and I've never escalated any situation to violence despite my gun being within inches of my hand
>>703272578
what's so bad about that?
>>703271780
well California has already adopted them so get ready rest of the country. AR's are now banned in California and ammo will now require registration and cant be bought online anymore.
>>703250581
because if mass murders can't use guns, bombing will increase which will result in a net increase in fatalities.
>>703258015
nukes, snipers, and drones don't work against insurrection...
thats why the us was involved in a goddamn war for over a decade that we basically LOST.
>>703272748
That's nice.
Do you trust everyone to do the same?
>>703272585
Nice try.
Why does it have to be a bolt gun? Are we stuck in the 1800's? Why can't I own the modern sporting rifle that is easy to use and shoot, has the capability to change calibers and purpose with a simple swap of the upper? Why am I not allowed to use my gun? Is it because you're being obtuse and will only accept your limited parameters as you've laid out?
>>703273079
do you trust everyone driving on the other side of the road to not drive their car into you?
>>703272756
The AR platform is a great sporting rifle. I own one AR, but several uppers. That means I can use it for all sorts of different purposes.
All in all, if Australians are happy with that, then I'm happy for them. I don't care.
>>703272585
12 gauge shotgun would be much better for a home defense gun.
Gotta be able to access it often for cleaning and target practice though, otherwise no one would know how to shoot the intruder LOL.
But if my wife's too small to shoot a 12 gauge we should be able to get her a handgun for the same purpose.
A bolt action rifle would be great though if you want the bullet to kill the intruders in your neighbors house too!
>>703272798
Well, they'll need to ban all guns that are semi auto in order to prevent Californians from figuring out a workaround.
Not that I think that isn't coming...
>>703250581
Because banning guns from legal owners will not take them out of the hands of the criminals that commit more crimes with illegal firearms.
>>703273358
because you don't need more than a bolt for the reason we've established together.
why do you need more capacity, more firepower, more utility, more anything?
again, you're clearly motivated by the tacticool mindset.
you like guns as a toy/hobby.
so although you hide behind the noble ideas of
> it's my right
> i must defend myself
which are understandable and fair.
but more than that you like the guns as toys, you want to play with them, you want to show them off to your friends.
so just be honest about what it is you like about guns, don't pretend you're some patriot defending your rights, you're a boy who wants to play cowboy and indians.
>>703273763
Try a 20g youth model. Shorter stock, shorter pull, less recoil. Still has that distinctive action that any intruder would instantly recognize in the dark.
>>703273573
Both will take down a human so the power difference is irrelevant to their danger. Can you think of any other differences between an AR-15 and a single shot hunting rifle which could explain the actual reason?
I've come to the realisation that I don't give a fuck; I'm not American, have no intentions of visiting America, so if your laws allow for you to have the tools to pump lead into each other, then what's it gotta do with me? Have at it! Personally, I enjoy guns purely for their aesthetic value, but my dumbass country won't even allow me to own airsoft guns without them being wrecked with gaudy fucking colours, so in a way, I rather envy you for having that freedom. Would owning a live firearm make me feel any safer though? I'm really not sure; all it takes is someone with a bigger gun, a better aim and faster trigger finger to take me down.
>>703250581
because bad people hav guns thats why
>>703273079
No, that's why he has a gun.
>>703274140
If we listened to you we'd all still be riding horses. What a fucking loser.
>>703273404
Nope, because of car accidents, drunk drivers, and road ragers I'm wary of every driver on the road.
>>703266321
your shit country need guns to prevent tyranny... meanwhile in New Zealand we have a much lower murder rate, dont spend money on a military because team America will save the day and with the cash we get free healthcare and don't get ourselves in ridiculous debt
>>703274504
we should ban them tbh
>>703274595
Necessary evil though. We need transportation in order to facilitate commerce, industry, and basically every facet of modern society.
We don't need guns for any of that, however.
>>703273828
they are geting pretty proficient in making laws now. they learned thier lesson. AR's are now considered assault rifles. they have been itching to get rid of this particular gun for ever. And this is just the begining. they got a standard semi auto rifle banned. all they need to do is change the wording to any gun with a removable magazine and were done. they already have a new law in the works. this is what gun control is all about. the cataloging and banning and then confiscation of every gun. I mean most states dont allow fire crackers because you can hurt yourself. if it was possible and the nra didnt exist it would have happened in the 80's.
>>703256795
No, no, no. The people who want hate speech banned do not understand that the government would adopt a "speak only if spoken to" system. No more speaking AT ALL.
>>703274430
lol
>>703274464
Why are you so retarded that you can't see an obvious reason to use cars FOR TRANSPORTATION instead of horses, like speed, reduced maintenance, or carrying capacity? These are all clearly things you need for transportation, but the things that guy said (capacity, utility, etc.) are clearly things you don't need for hunting. You must be pretty stupid if you didn't think of consider this yourself.
>>703257817
Would you hide in the corner and soil yourself while he's taking your stuff, or would you help load it up for him?
>>703274140
No.
You're arbitrarily limiting me to old technology because it fits your limited and obtuse viewpoint. You clearly are not well educated on the subject as you keep referring to tacticool as the only reasonable purpose for anything other than a bolt action rifle. If you took the time, which you won't (this is /b/ of course), you'd find that modern rifles exhibit the features you're so fearful of because they have value to sportsmen. That's the market.
People like you are quick to become offended when you're classified and marginalized in the manner you are applying to me. Perhaps you should consider that before replying.
>>703250581
because you're a moron.
>>703274540
Yeah, well, you have big hairy feet and live underground!
>>703274974
not really going to reply any further with you, my point is made, and you literally fell into the box I laid out for you.
you like guns as toys, that's fine.
just don't pretend its due to any sort of noble notion.
>>703250581
Because you will just be taking guns away from people who follow the law. Also, bolt action rifles for home defense? Seriously? Chances are you will miss your first shot, then you are fucked if an intruder is in your home.
>>703250581
Go ahead and take swords away from people in medieval times
>>703275248
You're not going to reply to him because you have no refute to what he said. Guns will never be banned in the states, get it through your thick skull.
>>703274275
The upper and lower receiver are interchangeable and customizeable. Things like triggers with heavier or lighter pulls, single or two stage, buffer weights for recoil, scopes, red dots, iron sights, barrel length, muzzle device, stocks with more or less cheek weld ability, grip angle, forends with vertical or slanted grips...
The list is long as shit.
>>703272210
>Civilians armed with a variety of firearms, with varying levels of competency at using them.
Versus
>Government with access to the planet's largest military force and nuclear arsenal.
Your argument may have held up a century or so ago, but none of you would stand a chance now. But hey, I appreciate your pluck!
>>703274540
You also don't have poor niggers burning down your cities....
The real question is how would you go about confiscating every gun? Have police do a thorough search of every single house in the country?
>>703250581
Niggers
>>703275530
> guns will never be banned
was never my point, I was addressing the retarded notions you puppets like you spew regarding
1. your amendments
2. I will save people
3. I must protect myself
reality: you like guns as toys
as I said, that's fine, but be honest with yourself and stop lying about why you like guns.
to make it clear for some dense users such as yourself:
i dont want guns banned, I just like pointing out how full of shit you are.
>>703250581
because all things should be legal unless you have a damn good reason otherwise.
cold dead hands, mothafucker.
>>703274704
Not really. They keep using a feature list to create bans and people find loopholes. In fact, someone has already invented ways to skirt the new California law.
>>703252106
Fuckin millenial logic right here ladies and gentlemen holy shit
>>703250581
If they do get banned, that only stops people who abide by the law. Even then, guns are not the only things that can kill someone. If they cannot get a gun, knives are available, as a regular kitchen knife can kill a man pretty fine. Are they the next to get banned?
>>703275784
You are one special kind of stupid, aren't you?
>>703274731
oh thats just silly. you just wouldnt be allowed to have original thoughts or ideas. you could only talk about government approved topics and what the celebrities are doing. pretty much how tv is now, is how your life would be in the real world. Because you bet your ass they would adopt the "ideals" the censors say they are trying to uphold. you can say these 4 cuss words a total of this amount in this amount of time or you will be fined. no love but you can go to all the murder reenactments you could ever want. dont say fuck but shits ok. the whole thing seems so ridiculous but its heading that way. I give it one generation after they ban all gun till they exact their dystopian plan.
>>703275248
Sorry pal. You lost because you're desperately trying to box me in to your clearly obtuse limitations based on you limited knowledge.
You're walking away because you have no real response to my last post.
>>703275841
sauce on this please. come january you can not buy or sell ar's.
>>703275649
Cool, so let them nuke their own country in the name of gun control. If it comes to that point, whatever, not like they'll have anything left.
You really think they'd nuke themselves? Nah. You're retarded, buddy.
>>703276043
it's an anonymous website dude, just close the window and the thread will 404.
you don't need to get angry.
Niggers.
>>703275248
Following your logic as you laid it out, but with a better understanding of guns, only results in banning semi auto rifles, maybe.
I hope you realize that when a human being gets shot with your grandpa's old hunting rifle it's way way worse than an AR-15...
>>703275248
Also, I never pretended any noble notions. I simply stated what the framers of the constitution intended which you tried to twist into my one and only reason for owning firearms. Well that and being Rambo and tacticool...
>>703258259
no. fuck you.
>>703276359
shhh your giving them ideas again.
>>703250581
I like em
>>703276229
There's two items that come to mind. One is a non pistol grip that connects to the stock similar to a traditional rifle. The other is a magazine release that requires the rear takedown pin be popped.
Google should come up with some pics.
>>703276359
my grandpas old hunting rifle required manual loading and bolt retraction for every shot.
>>703250581
Because I like guns.
>>703275649
Deterrent.
>>703271533
Is that... Draven?
>>703275712
The same way we go about confiscating illegal aliens.
I mean undocumented workers...
>>703250581
all enemies foreign and domestic
>>703250581
I could shoot you in the face and thereby improve humanity.
>20 seconds left.
>>703275784
Reality: you're not really a part of it.
Stop being so narrow minded.
>>703276612
the magazine release has already had a workaround thats why they banned the actual gun. They literally just said ar's are now classified as an assault rifle. They literally just need to say its an assault rifle in a law and bam that gun is now banned. this was never possible before because they thought they couldnt get away with it but hey. you know nanny state and all.
>>703277157
how many replies are you going to make tho?
>>703276283
Oh I'm not angry. I'm just in disbelief that someone can be this stupid.
>>703276731
We should adopt everything from your grandpa's heyday.
>>703250581
It's logistical nightmare. Besides, America has a gun culture. What works in Australia won't work here.
>>703277292
That's the bullet button. The new part is different. It requires partial disassembly of the gun, which takes seconds on an AR.
>>703277362
One more.
>>703277292
Also, they don't have to be AR's to function the same way.
Like I said, people will find a way.
>>703276249
Not at all. The point the pro-gun side like to make is they want the tools to stand up to a tyrannical government. Fair enough. My point was that if a government is really so tyrannical, it wouldn't waste any time in using its military might in suppressing the uprising masses, by any means necessary. Including nuclear strikes, if it helps get the point across.
I certainly wasn't making the argument of nuclear strikes purely for the purpose of exercising anti gun laws, I was merely suggesting a truly tyrannical government would stop at nothing to suppress its citizens.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>703277507
still makes the removable magazine kind of worthless. I know its just an inconvienience but if I needed to defend myself I would like to know I could reload quickly if needed. yes guns are fun but they do serve a real self defense purpose.
>>703277753
Truly or otherwise, I think it's a bad idea to begin to re think or interpret the bill of rights at all. It sets a precident.
>>703270468
LOL
>>703277967
Absolutely true. But, if you're just interested in the rifle and want to shoot it at the range, these things make that possible. Which shows how retarded the laws really are.
>>703277753
you dont realize we pay taxes do you. we pay the government to do what it does. they fucking nuke the people and then go ok bitches its tax time. its not going to work out.
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