I'm a Muslim ask me anything. Remember we don't need
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
I'm a Muslim ask me anything.
Remember we don't need to pray all day everyday to be muslims the same way you don't need to go to church 24/7 to be Christian.
Let's have a good discussion and avoid buzzword filled questions.
I'll answer to trolls within reason.
>>700842740
tits with timestamp or gtfo
Why do your kind like to murder innocent people?
what does it feel like to pray all day every day?
Ever contract an STD from goat?
>>700842980
Kek'd
Pic related?
do u work for Dan Tanny
As i tought, the female in the picture must be a Muslim because she is carrying bombs
>>700842822
nice dubs. But you need to lurk moar. This is Vanessa Hudgens, not me.
>>700842856
By "your" kind do you mean other Muslims? Or other humans? Because it seems both groups kill innocent people for similar reasons. Reasons I do not believe in or support as being a reasonable means to an end.
>>700842967
I don't, therefore I would not know how it feels. We only pray 5 times a day for a few minutes each time.
>>700842980
No.
>>700842740
do you actually believe in this bullshit?
and if yes, how could you be this ignorant.
i for myself hate islam (also christianity, but at this time islam is the worst religion out there).
what would you like do to me?
So you're like 8 since you haven't been forcibly married off to some goat fucker yet
>>700842980
I muslim
Never having scratchy peepee!
Best!
>>700843153
The pic is Vanessa Hudgens.
>>700843219
Buzzword questions. Thanks for reading the thread.
Why would you place polygamy and child sex in a sentence together. They are separate issues that should be addressed separately. We can if you really care, but these kinds of questions are of very little interest or benefit.
>>700843269
No. I do not know who that is.
>>700843288
She's presumably Catholic since her mom is Filipino.
>>700842740
i am also a muslim and i pray 5 times a day. i got used to it and it really feels good for me.
my question to op: where do you live? in germany?
Would you consider yourself a serious believer or do you do the bare minimum required like the vast majority of Christians and Muslims?
And also, what percentage of fellow Muslims do you think identify as Muslim purely because their parents, friends, or family do?
>>700843519
You are only scratching the surface of what religion is. I have studied many religions, philosophies and schools of thought in different countries.
There is no reason for you to hate any ideology, especially one that you do not understand. Why put so much energy into disliking something? What makes you hate Islam so much? What makes Islam the 'worst'?
What part of religion is so bullshit?
Please try to go deep into the answers and your subsequent replies. I have considered and studied all the broad first layer questions pertaining to religion. These are literally the first things that we go over in studying religion.
>>700843534
I am 24. I am male and I will not be forcibly married to a man.
>>700842740
Are you Indonesian?
>>700843681
Exactly. Prayer is a good part of the day. It is the Muslim synonymy to meditation in Eastern religions. Meditation and regularity in human lives brings peace to the mind. This then helps people live better lives.
I was born and raised in Morocco, then China, and I currently live in Canada.
>>700844149
I am a serious practitioner of Islam in its fundamental form. The fundamental form is not what the word has been perverted to mean. It is the root of what Islam is. Islam is the jihad of an individual against his inner self. And much more. Moreover, it is the adherence of an individual to the five pillars of Islam and the ten commandments as told in the Q'ran. These are useful guidelines, some that we can benefit from.
95% or more Muslims are simply Muslim by association and know nothing about the religion.
>>700844470
No. Refer to: >>700844752
>>700842740
>Remember we don't need to pray all day everyday to be muslims
Sure you do, otherwise you aren't a real Muslim.
>>700845115
Why is it that people are this confused? Every time people make this comment in the thread, in fact you aren't the first today.
We pray 5 times a day for a few minutes each time. This makes up approximately 1 hour in total. Which in conclusion, is not all day everyday. It is simply everyday.
>>700844752
As far as I understand, the majority of Islamic values are intrinsically human values, and not dissimilar from the Christian commandments. Are there any commandments where the Bible and Q'ran overly disagree?
>>700845115
5 times a day. if u dont hurry at all and do it with patient it will take you maximum amount of time of 1 hour a day. i think i finish it within 40 mins or less. the 40 mins are like he said like meditation with movements you can see people do while making yoga. no one ever forced me to pray. i started it after i was 18/19 years old and after i read many religious books which i learned from that it is just good for me to pray
>>700845492
I think this will answer your question. Moses is a Islamic prophet. The commandments he presented onto the chosen people in Israel after having saved them for Egypt are holy to Muslims. They were told onto Moses by God. God does not stutter. The ten commandments from the Hebrews, which were then adopted by the Catholics are equally as holy to Muslims.
The ten commandments are exactly the same in all Abrahamic religions because they were only written once by Moses as told to him by God.
>>700845803
Yeah exactly, about an hour a day with a lot of benefit. It's a very small sacrifice for the great value it can bring.
>>700842740
How do you help your community?
>>700845861
Alright, thank you for your answers. I confess to knowing very little about Islam but it's always nice to learn.
>>700844752
I know a muslim guy who prays his required prayers and has the least peaceful mind of anyone I know. He is always yelling and screaming and he breaks shit when he gets really mad. He steals and does other shady shit. But he thinks he's a great muslim because he prays and knows the Koran
>>700843219
Hey I know this image
>>700846789
well he is a retard if he really thinks this.
many muslims are just musims cause their family is. they pray not because they know the real reason but just because they were raised like that.
Do you believe in Sharia?
Are "regular" muzzies getting sick of the terrorism in the name of Islam, or getting more radical, or what?
Are we going to have to kill every last one of you motherfuckers before this thing stops?
>>700844171
>What makes Islam the 'worst'?
I guess for me, partly, it's the revelation that sex with slaves is okay. I mean phew, that one came just in time for Mohammed you know.
I say partly because I sincerely doubt a real God would be cool with taking the wives and daughters of so-called enemies as slaves for sex.
Also I doubt a real God would be cool with his messenger selling that God's children.
>>700846777
nice trips.
I do quite a bit of volunteering work, and donate significantly to organizations I believe in. I am open to teach and do tutoring help for free any time someone in my community needs. I try to do my best to bring a positive energy into the world through my actions, words and thoughts.
>>700846789
I also know of a Muslim guy who planned the hijacking of planes to kill thousands of innocent people. People come in all different states of mind, some positive and some negative.
Prayer is only beneficial if it is done sincerely. Doing random movements has no significance. However, doing these movements as means of meditation is very different.
Moreover, knowing the Q'ran by heart, and doing empty prayers will have no benefit. It is much more important to have a deep understanding of a few surrahs (passages) instead of memorizing the entirety of the Q'ran yet understanding none of it. The same is true for prayer. It is better to do 1 good prayer a day and feel the power it brings, as opposed to doing five empty prayers.
Most people simply learn Q'ran and do their prayers due to social pressures. They do it to please others. That is not their intent and is hurtful to yourself. It is also sinful.
>>700846789
Hate to defend the muzzies, but I had a Big Christian friend as a youth, and he was a true fucking manipulative, petty asshole.
>>700847229
But I think he represents the majority of religious people. Most are retarded
>>700847754
>It is much more important to have a deep understanding of a few surrahs (passages) instead of memorizing the entirety of the Q'ran
I see.
As Allah says the quran is the clear book, the well defined book, the book wich makes all things clear.
This verse is a good one to know and also to know that it stands for eternity since is has not been abrogated.
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Qur'an 9:123)
Allah is pretty smart. He has every word ever spoken and every word that will be sopken and he chooses carefully the word "fight".
Sure Allah could have said ignore, have a debate, be kind, be understanding, tolerate, bring them a casserole, etc.. But no, he said fight. Allah knows best
>>700844171
The only way to truly be a good person in any religion is by not following exactly what ever your religious book says.
Everyone of them talks about slavery, justified murder against non believers, etc.
Religion has caused so maybe wars and problems in this world, it truly is a plague on humanity.
You can be a moral good person without believing some imaginary friend is watching what you do.
>>700842740
look like i'm into muslim now
>>700848725
>Everyone of them talks about slavery
Slavery is not condoned and is not a commandment. Allah revealed that sex with slaves is not forbidden, therefore it is condoned. And of course you cannot have sex with a slave if you are not allowed to keep slaves.
Talking "about" slaves is much different than revealing that it's okay to have them. They are not the same thing.
And Allah knows best.
>>700842740
OP, do you believe in the Djin / D'jin (i dont know how to spell this). And can you give me a simple explanation of what these are?
>>700844171
>what part of religion is so bullshit?
The part where there are actually adults believing in fairy tales. And that they're being taken seriously. If an adult still believes in Santa claus he's fucking weird. But believing in magic as an adult is the most normal thing?
>>700842740
Allah didn't define what "subdued" means.
Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Could it be that one moslems definition of subdued is different than another moslems definition? And which definition of subdued is correct?
For example, if a moslem want to make an unbeliever feel subdued so he smashes his face with a bat, but another moslem want to kick him in the face instead, which one is correctly subduing the unbeliever?
>>700846886
Why are their 10s on their faces?
>>700847229
True.
>>700847605
I believe in most aspects of Sharia. Some parts must be interpreted carefully, and punishments need to be understood in relation to modern technology and lifestyles.
Muslims are the most targeted group by ISIS. ISIS kills more Muslims than any other group. Therefore, they are way more than tired.
Killing Muslims is what led to the creation of ISIS. Do you think continuing the same detrimental actions will lead to any positive solutions?
>>700847747
Slavery in Islam is just a lower class of society. They have many protections in terms of abuse (physical, psychological and sexual). These slaves could be bought and a contract must exist between a citizen and a slave.
This concept equally exists in Christianity and Judaism. From which Islam came to be.
>>700849304
Guess Allah is totally cool with natural disasters, diseases killing and crippling people, poor people starving or dying from not having clean drinking water, children being rapped and sold as sex slaves, people killing one another for thousands of years over disagreements about what religion is correct.
Yup Allah is doing a great job.
I think op ran away. Hard to fight rational
>>700848597
"Saying those who are near you can lead to the conclusion that "those who are near you " can be dangerous in the physical way or can mean, that they came from far away, and this in a hostile style
", Muhammad Asad, comentator and translator oft the holy quran to the german language,
>>700849799
>Muslims are the most targeted group by ISIS
Not exactly true. ISIS is targeting hypocrite moslems for being hypocrites, or moslems they feel are apostate. ISIS is very islamic. Did not Mohammed threaten to burn moslems alive in their homes for missing morning prayers?
>>700850073
And fight for the will of ogd against those, who fight against you, but dont Start the aggression, cause truly, god doesnt like aggressors [2:190]
>>700849831
>Guess Allah is totally cool with natural disasters, diseases killing and crippling people, poor people starving or dying from not having clean drinking water,
Thats kind of silly. Nowhere did Allah or the Christian God say anything about prevent accidents, or making sure life for everyone would be perfect.
However a real god ask that his children not slaughter others for the simple act of having different ideas.
"If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him" (Qur'an 2:194)
"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)
Yeah but formally you need pray 5 times a day dont you?
>>700850073
you are just making shit up out of whole cloth.
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Qur'an 9:123)
>nowhere are there any of the stipulations you made about maybe there is "danger" or there could be danger.
It says fight the unbeliever. thats it.
Allah is clear, and you are twisting his words.
>>700842740
Ex-Muslim here. How do you explain the scientific errors in the Quran such as the claim that salt and fresh water do not mix and an ant talking to Solomon?
>>700850581
Just saying.
It's clear that what ever god you believe, even if it is real is not present in peoples lives or can actually do anything.
Why would you want to believe in some asshole that just sits there and watches his "children" kill eachother for thousands of years because they cant figure out how to believe in him properly.
How could you sit there and watch a child starve to death or be stricken with a crippling disease that causes the person to die a slow and painful death.
Even if god was real, why would you want to worship that asshole?
>>700842740
Does islam creates sandnigger shit undermench or islam simply unites them?
Why all islam believers are the worst nigger/sandnigger scum on earth, almost everything bad in this world is caused or correlated with islam. Havent you though to leave this crap and go the civilized way in life that requires education and hard work to obtain valuable things, or are just affraid that such thing might get you killed?
>>700850790
Unless a woman walks in front of the person praying during a prayer. Then the person praying has to start all over. Allah says women negate prayers.
>>700847793
Bad people exist in any denomination.
>>700848597
The Q'ran is not written in English. Therefore he did not choose fight. Even the way Arabic is written is significantly different than English. Its much more similar to Hebrew. Where this are written in hyperbole.
>>700848725
You can live a moral life without religion. Its entirely possible. But you must admit there must be some knowledge buried in thousands of years of religious practice. There is much good that can be brought with religion. Some even scientifically backed. I can elaborate on this as I did a neuro study pertaining to this.
>>700848913
She is not Muslim.
>>700849396
The d'jinn are like many of the parts in the Q'ran, they are a story. Maybe they are physical, maybe they are metaphysical.
Literally. The d'jinn are a 4th dimensional being that were displaced by God when he gave their place to the humans. The d'jinn were moved to a different location. These creatures exist much like we do, with good d'jinn, bad d'jinn, all kinds of d'jinn. Some of them who care, have a strong dislike for humans and want to cause us problems as revenge for their displacements. Others are good to humans and help us but these are apparently more rare.
I can go on about some other things relating to the d'jinn.
>>700849628
What magic exists in religion? Religion is an expression of life. There is no magic in life, everything that is in life, is.
>>700849753
Both are equally correct. One is less moral than the other. God will judge the means by which all people act.
>>700849753
About those(oft those who dont belive), who dont fight against you because of your belief and who dont thrive you out of xour home cities, god doesnt restrict you, to show mercy and to act just to the, cause truly, god loves those, who act just
[60:8]
fuckin mudslime. god/allah is fake
>>700842740
Where do you live and why
>>700851295
Thats pretty sexist.
Dont see why any women would believe in that shit.
>>700842740
Oh out of all the religions why is yours the right one. Answer that without making people laugh
>>700851110
Because I don't expect God to do that. If God was responsible for every little thing like that that there would be no point to life because it would all be worked out already. Star Trek ain't real btw.
Allah akbar.
>>700851432
If anyone goes infront of you while your praying, regardless of sex, you habe to Start oder. Has something to do with you praying to god not to a human
>>700851550
Ok than you can't just think that he does good shit for people on a whim.
If god just helps out some people and do a few miracles here and there but ignores the rest of the problems hes a fucking asshole and not worth worshiping.
It comes down to he either has power in this world and chooses not to do anything about it so why worship him at all
Or he has no power in this world so why worship him.
>>700851761
Hmm you'd think god being all powerful and what not he'd know that you were praying to him and not the person.
I guess he just wants to be positive that you are doing the right thing.
What do you think causes individuals to accept radicalism?
>>700850073
Thats a comment, man, the wuran wasnt released in english nor Herman, it was released in the arabic language, thats why commentators are a thing, so we can unterstand the quran without learnig the arabic Dialekt that was spoken hundreds of Sears ago
>>700851432
>Dont see why any women would believe in that shit.
It's not the womans call to disbelieve what her god or her prophet mohammed says.
>>700851761
>700851761
>Has something to do with you praying to god >not to a human
Sounds like you really know what you're talking about
>>700849831
You are taking a very catholic/Protestant interpretation to God. Even other Christians from more pure denominations disagree with your flawed understanding of God. God is not a guy in the sky playing with his little toy figures. As was told onto Moses, which is in the Torah, the Bible and the Q'ran. God is as he is, he is everything that is, has been and is not. Some Christians have misinterpreted this. A Jewish philosopher said that once you start to define God you have already placed too many boundaries onto the entirety that God is.
In this context, yes, God is the natural disaster, disease and all other ailments and goods. Moreover, God is not there only for humans, he is there for all things that are.
>>700849937
I am still here. Had to discuss with a fellow worker. I try to answer properly, so I take my time. Good discussions don't happen as quickly as Fox news segments. Patience is the key to learning.
>>700850100
What makes a Muslim hypocrite? What does not make ISIS hypocrites? Have they read the ten commandments? Consider that most ISIS low level members are from illiterate parts of the world. Also consider, the leaders are profiting from black market and crime. I think they are hypocrites before any others.
>>700850581
Allah is the Arabic word for God. They have the same God. Its of more use to compare likewise quotes.
Quran 23:96
Repel, by [means of] what is best, [their] evil. We are most knowing of what they describe.
Quran 41:34
And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend.
If you do not compare likewise things, the comparison is meaningless.
>>700850790
Yes. Which equals to about 1 hour. Not all day every day.
>>700852376
Ok? If your god or prophet is a dick than why even bother.
>>700851104
So how about answering my question, OP? How do you explain the scientific inaccuracies?
>>700842740
Why are your societies oppressive theocratic oligarcies (though nice for the rich and connected)?
I've visited Turkey, Bahrain, Qatar, KSA, and UAE so far on a friendly basis, got along well, and observe that Turkey sucked the least but is still not remotely free by Western standards.
None of the above would tolerate open hosting of /b/.
Also, prove God exists or explain PRECISELY why you believe. That's a fair question I ask of every religionists. Ball is in their court.
>>700852912
Start to define god you have already placed too many boundaries.
Yet lets make some long ass book talking about what god is and what he wants us to do.
If Christians and Muslims serve the same God, have the same Prophets. Old Testament law and Shariah law are very similar. Why is there such a massive breakdown between the two religions over the concept of trinity? It doesn't matter whether Christ was the son of God, or if it's an allegory. It doesn't matter if he died and was raised from the dead. All that matters is that God is God and that ultimately his will is above all else. All a good Christian, good Muslim needs to do is live in such a way that the will of God is served.
>>700852912
So you assume I watch fox because I'm against religion. Brilliant
>>700851104
The ant talking to Soloman is a story. Most of the Q'ran and other Abrahamic religious stories are stories used to pass a message. The religion had to be transmitted to all people. Some of these people will have no education, others will have a lot of education. These stories are used to transmit messages in such a way that everyone can understand their essence.
Quran, 25:53
And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition.
This does not really say they cannot mix.
>>700851110
Refer to: >>700852912
>>700851127
Muslims would have said the same thing about Christians 500 years ago.
Humanities ills is not the fault of a religion or ideology but of our nature.
>>700851383
Canada now. Because the government is paying me very well for my knowledge and research.
>>700851432
The same is true in opposition if a man passes in front of a woman.
>>700851516
All religions are synonymous. They all address the same questions about humanity that we all struggle with and continue to struggle with. I can keep going if you actually care.
>>700851550
Yup.
>>700851938
Refer to: >>700852912
>>700852224
People seek purpose in life. Usually in the easiest way possible. When people see a lack of opportunity in building positive things, they will take the easier ways out, the evil ways.
Also people are attracted to these kind of nationalist movements. The success of recruitment by ISIS is similar to the Nazis. In hindsight, who would join them? However, force, authority, disassociation of acts and glory make people do evil things. The same was as the Stanford Prison Experiment concluded that evil institutions can make otherwise good people evil.
>>700854076
>700854076
I do. So answer my question. Why Islam?
>>700854482
And we will laugh
>>700853810
Its because it differs with the 1st big thing ()
Missing an english word here) that defines islam, you allone do we worship, you Aline do we Fall for hell... He wasnt produced, he doesnt reproduce,
and also about the idea of the first ein of the humans, in Islam both Adam and Eve Taster the fruit, they made a decision in their own, using their own mind to evaluate the Situation
The idea that every human being still has this sim in Turm which has to be cleansed doesnt work in this belief
The idea that god in human Domes to earth in order to be understood by humans Doesnt work, because god is everything and he is nothing,, something that isnt berabele by the human mind,
>>700853082
OP, you dirty goatfucker. You can't keep ignoring my question forever. Muslims act so high and mighty until they can't do anything else so they run and hide like cowards. Just like they are doing in Europe now.
>>700855038
* you Alone do we call for help
>>700842740
Would you drink a quart of antifreeze if I promised to read the koran to you while you are croaking?
Most people are just dumb
>>700852376
Actually God gave humans free will to choose to be believers.
>>700853082
Take it easy. There are other people who have replied before you have. Refer to: >>700854076
I answered you. Patience is important. Good discussions don't happen as quickly as Fox news segments. Patience is the key to learning.
>>700853135
The current state of the countries is a product of a declined society due to internal struggles and colonization. For example, Morocco where I am from, is deeply corrupt and filled with problem. The King sold out to the French colonial forces and they started hoarding all the resources. The French are now formally out of Morocco, yet still financially present. However, the King still has control over all the resources. He owns every single resource. It's ridiculous.
Now consider that Morocco is one of the least damaged countries by decline and then colonialism. Therefore, amplify the problems of Morocco and you get what you see in other countries. It also does not help that their are geo-political interests in having control of the Middle-east therefore they are at high risk of war.
Out of the countries you've been to, Turkey is the most free. The Gulf countries are a terrible place.
God is not a subject of exist or does not exist. He is everything that is and is not. He encompasses all things. Refer to the first answer in: >>700852912.
God is the collective ensemble of everything. He is life as we see it and how we still haven't seen it.
>>700855038
So Islam actually believes there was a garden of Eden? It isn't just an allegory of creation? It actually believes a man and woman ate a fruit from a tree? This is why I am a pantheist. I don't believe any of it. I believe it's "wise old men" who told stories to the "ants" in their minds i.e. They judged people too stupid to know the "truth" about God so they told them childish stories instead. Now the children argue over the stories instead of the truth. God is greater than any man can ever understand. Just look at the vastness of space! No. The true creator or creative force isn't at all concerned with our opinions and determinations. Let alone our little fables.
>>700855059
Maybe because you aren't worth a response?
Not anon, but really faggot, what do you expect?
>>700855540
Why can't you answer. Oh logic gets in your way. Stay stupid
Not trolling here. Why should women be required to wear the garments like the burka to cover themselves? Shouldn't a man be responsible for his actions? Just because a woman is a 10/10 it doesn't mean it is her fault for a man's thoughts about her?
>>700855540
My bad, it didn't have the (You) next to it for some reason.
>The ant talking to Soloman is a story. Most of the Q'ran and other Abrahamic religious stories are stories used to pass a message. The religion had to be transmitted to all people. Some of these people will have no education, others will have a lot of education. These stories are used to transmit messages in such a way that everyone can understand their essence.
So you're admitting that these "miracles" never really happened? Then what proof is there that what these "prophets" say is real?
>This does not really say they cannot mix.
>and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition.
>>700853585
Set theory is useful to understand this.
First we must understand that the set, is everything that is, has been and is not. In essence the set is infinity.
S = {-inf, inf} in R^inf.
Now we can talk about subsets of what God is. However we must understand that God is much more than this subset. He is the set, S. The subset, s, is only a part of the whole.
For example, if we talk about God's generosity.
s = {generosity}
By definition, generosity is in the set, S, we have defined which is the infinite set.
>>700853810
Agreed. The fight over subtleties is counterproductive in living our lives in a fruitful and moral way.
>>700853962
No. I was just making a comparison. I was initially going to use Buzzfeed as an example. My point was, good discussions take time.
>>700854482
>>700854775
Why Islam?
In general Abrahamic religions have a very interesting perspective on the struggle with the inner self. It states that humans have inert desires, these being detrimental (evil), in opposition it is our duty to do the hard thing and no succumb to these desires. To fight against these desires and urges to do the right things.
In day to day life. Immediate pleasures are easy to come by, however they are temporary and often leave you with more emptiness than well being. Long term achievements and struggles are those you will be proud of, things that will bring you fulfillment. This is amplified in the Q'ran compared to the Torah and Bible, this is the concept of jihad.
Muslims then believe that the most important thing one can do in his life is the liberation of the mind from the body. To free your spirit from these worldly acts, to understand the potential of the human as a thinking being and not just a vessel moving through time.
Many other religions in the East address these issues as well. Jainism is very interesting and I have studied it. It is actually very similar to fundamental Sufi Islam. I can keep going.
>>700855814
The faith used the old stories of the jews to let them unterstand the Situation, just like you said,
whats implrtant about me saying they both did ID out of their concern, and also that eve wasnt created out of Adams rib should be used to describe how the faith dass men and women are equall, and that they should usw their minds and that they should question everything
>>700842740
OP is stupid and a pussy
You just gotta love these highly arrogant faggots who think they are refuting your points when all they do is subtly change the subject and make arguments out of context. No wonder you shit skins want to escape to europe, if i had to live with a bunch of aspie goatfuckers, id probably consider going to some place more intellectual.
Fuck you goatfucker.
>>700856874
important question, anon
have you ever actually seen a sandnigger fuck a goat?
because as a sandnigger (not op) who has lived in a sandnigger country his whole life, ive literally never seen or heard of another sandnigger fucking a goat
we dont even really have goats
>>700855377
No.
>>700855464
That is true by definition.
>>700855814
Islam believes it as an allegory. Refer to my earlier post talking about what is God, the first response in: >>700852912. Moreover, refer to my reply concerning stories in the first reply in: >>700854076
>>700855866
I answered him twice. He just doesn't have the patience to read.
>>700856002
What was your question? If I did not address your point, I apologize, maybe you should frame your question more efficiently. Or try to engage in a discussion rather than insult.
>>700856333
nice tirps. In the Q'ran all people, man and women, must dress in a modest way. From this traditional clothing are appropriated to each interpretation of the religion based on the culture that existed before Islam came to the region. The burka comes from the Gulf countries. In Morocco, which is at the western tip of north africa. Women wear only hijab, or african style head wraps. In Iran, women wear hijab in a completely different way.
In the Q'ran, the man and woman is responsible for all their own actions and thoughts. It is by those they will be judged.
>>700856532
There is no proof it is real. However, if in practice it bring positivity to an individual and a community then it must have some use. Think of religion much like traditional medicine. Religion is analogous to it. It is the precursor to understanding and appeasing the complex structure that is the mind.
>>700849799
How do you feel about the radicalisation of islamic states? Or islamic states in general.
IT seems that islam is the only major religion on this planet that is heavily integrated into the state, and the idea of religious states triggers people. The problem for me is the infallibility of religion as interpreted by whichever asshole has determine himself the spokesman for god.
>>700856532
Not op,
the question is, what do we see in Religion?
Do we See a set of rules and stories that someone came up with to bring the humans in balance with themselves and the persons around Them, leading to the creation of peace and developing of knowledge,
the whole Dogma created by humans
or do we See it as something a being bigger than everything put into the minds of chosen people to enlighten them and lead to the same things AS mentioned above?
What you choose to believe is entirerly up to you
>>700857482
Im from norway, and here we have sheeps :) we are white, and we fuckz it
>>700856566
Very good response.I actually didn't laugh. But still why not Jainism, bhudism or something else. Something without made up shit. Really, living good is great way to live why the stupid beliefs.
Fuck off kebab this is American soil you aren't welcome here
>>700842740
Whats the difference between Shi'a and Sunni
>>700856566
being that a condition of the subset humans is: can only have knowledge of things that are in subset human, then god can be as many sets in the world but you being a unit of subset human makes you incapable of accessing anything but your human world.
![goats-argan-trees-7[6].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kjERVFW.jpg "goats-argan-trees-7[6].jpg")
>>700856668
Agreed.
>>700856704
Great question...
>>700856874
So much hatred and yet I doubt you really know anything about Islam or the cultures of the people that follow Islam.
Moreover, more than 50% of Muslims are white or Asian. So shitskin does not really make any sense to generalize Muslims.
>>700857482
No, I don't really know where this meme/buzzword came from. I'm from Morocco, there are only goats in the wild in the mountain regions. They usually hang out on the edge of really steep cliffs or in trees, i'll attach a picture. I'm always impressed as to how they get there. Moreover, they're pretty dangerous. They ram people if you get too close.
This actually exists. If you drive by you see them. It's funny.
>>700858410
this is the internet, not america.
>>700858150
My question was fine and direct. Bad example
https://youtu.be/0dqnHQUSrx8
>>700858879
How do you feel about the radicalisation of islamic states? Or islamic states in general.
IT seems that islam is the only major religion on this planet that is heavily integrated into the state, and the idea of religious states triggers people. The problem for me is the infallibility of religion as interpreted by whichever asshole has determine himself the spokesman for god.
being that a condition of the subset humans is: can only have knowledge of things that are in subset human, then god can be as many sets in the world but you being a unit of subset human makes you incapable of accessing anything but your human world.
Did you ever taste alcohol in your life
>>700858879
You know why the locals go to the goats on cliffs. So they push back
>>700842740
My question is, IF Jesus is ur prophet of Allah and in christ Jesus is son of God why u dont think what we speak about same God?
>>700858150
>hijab
>man and woman is responsible for all their own actions and thoughts
but many men can go shirtless and speedos to a pool, but women still have to wear a covering despite the differences in how it is worn. That is not very modest or equal. I am trying to understand, but it just doesn't seem to add up.
>>700855866
Maybe you should kill yourself. If someone promises to answer questions, then they should do so.
>>700858150
>However, if in practice it bring positivity to an individual and a community then it must have some use.
And Islam has done the exact opposite of that.
>>700858206
Religion and state should be separate. However, by virtue of morality, the morals of the state should adhere to the morals of the people which are influenced by religious texts. This is how democracy works. I think religion is between an individual and himself. God stated that the first jihad is a personal jihad, start there. The state is a separate entity.
Radicalization as we see it now in the Middle-east is a product of war. It will not lead to a positive end, I am convinced.
>>700858219
Exactly. Religion is a personal journey.
>>700858331
I said why not Jainism or Sufi Islam. They are not reasonable to follow in modern society, or in any society. They are idealized structured philosophies. Beautiful and I wish we could all be this pure, but the world is not so.
For example, Jains with whom I lived cooked with cow poop. Yes, I ate the food... However, how would I do that in Canada. Jains don't eat anything that is grown under the earth or that has a 'soul'. This does not leave much in terms of nutrition. This mean no potatoes, carrots, garlic. Jains do not eat after sunset, only drink water. This is a lot to follow.
Pure Sufi Islam, does not allow any possessions. You must live for the present. You cannot own anything. Only a cloth. Each day you must go spend the whole day doing pure works, small jobs to help people, and receive charities. You are then to feed yourself, find a shelter and give the rest to people who cannot make money on their own.
These are good ideals, but are not reasonable.
A religion should be something that helps you in your life. It has to be adaptable to your life. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, .... all are appropriate.
Buddhism. I also studied Buddhism, in China and Vietnam. I also went as close as possible to Nepal and Tibet, although barred :(, to learn more. Buddhism has a lot of very good ideas. I like the idea of nirvana and finding the eternal truth. I'll continue.
>>700859197
Not OP
Most Muslim people i know tell me that there should be some Kind of midway between secularised and State Religion
The eropeans had Bad experiences with the curch having too much power so the went the extreme way of splitting them drastically
The opposite direction are States like Iran
My personal opinion: every state should follow key ethic principelles(men equal women, no slavery . Freedom of belief,speech etc. PP), democracy and the split between legis, executiv and judicativ.
>>700860588
Radicalisation in the middle east has been ongoing for decades. My family fled Iran in the 70s.
If the people are forced by law to obey one religious order (iran eventually allowed christianity and judaism), then the government will claim that there morals are all aligned.
There is a lot of violent backlash against democratic voices in Egypt, Tunisia, Iran, Saudi, etc..
stop being an apologist, accept that the current manifestation of Statist-Islam is not democratic or conducive to basic human rights.
>>700858331
However, Buddhism is filled with very strange beliefs. Western media just doesn't represent religions in their entirety, they only show people what people want to see. They show only positive things about religions we perceive as good, Chstianity, buddhism and bad things about religions we perceive as bad, Islam. This is dangerous. But, it is your own duty to teach yourself.
Buddhism has a lot of weird parts, starting with a cast system. Imagine being forced by your faith to follow in your father's path. If that was the case I would still be a peasant in Morocco. I am my own individual. A free mind. I do what I please in this world while maintaining my morality. I really do like Buddhism though. It's one of my favorite practices and I have learned a lot from the monks. Their meditation is much more effective than only 5 prayers. I do my prayers, but I do much more meditation. Protip: this does not just mean sitting silently, that is not meditating.
>>700858410
I am in Canada. The fact that the government pays me well to be here is a testament to them wanting me here.
>>700858545
We disagree on the rightful next leader of Islam after Mohammed. Semantics. Very futile.
>>700858807
True. That is why we revel in the grandness that is God. Hence the phrase 'Allah Akbar', God is great.
>>700858926
I still don't know what your question was since you replied to a post in which I replied to many people. I cannot guess which of the many people you are.
>>700859197
Refer to: >>700860588
>>700859618
Muslims believe that Jesus is the son of God much like we are the sons of God. We are a part of the everythingness that is God. We do not believe that God manifests in any form from which he can birth a child.
>>700859821
You are confounding laws in countries and the Q'ran. The Q'ran does not permit a man to walk around shirtless and wear a speedo. The problem is that laws were made my men for men, not for women. This will change. In Morocco, woman can wear and do wear bikinis.
>>700860537
Do you think the evils of humanity would disappear if Islam never existed?
Of course not.
>>700861251
I don't think you understood my reply. What part of my answer was apologetic? I stated a fact. If you have a pure democracy, then the majority rules. If the majority are religious and believe that pig slaughter should be illegal then it will be voted into legislation. That's how a democracy works.
However, most Muslim countries are far from having healthy democracies liek you brought up. However, that was not my point whatsoever.
>>700861825
the point is that you cant tell if the thing that you revel in is god, the devil or a pile of dogshit having a dream. its presumptive at best.
>>700862352
>>700861251
no you don't understand my statement (apologetic means to defend btw).
Justice is not a democratic game, it should be independent of what the demos believe.
if you are obliged by law to adhere to a religion, then it is a totality that the people's moral will is represented by that religion. I live in europe, I dont know a single moroccan who thinks it should be illegal to walk alone with a western woman, yet in morocco it is against the law.
say it, these religious governments are dangerous, and don't represent the people or their morals.
>>700862352
Not the guy who asked the 1. question you replied to in this post
Yeah in a democracy the majority rules, but we have to have some Kind of regulations in what the public can enforce
If lets say there would be an election about purging an ethnic minority via military Intervention and the majority of the people vote for this, in a pure Democracy the will of the many is enforced.
So democracy needs some Kind of regulation to not get Plebiszit
There is no place in the Quran where Muhammad tells Muslims to love people of other religions.
From each period in Muhammad's life, scattered across 87 of the Quran's 114 chapters,
there are at least three dozen verses that tell believers to fight against non-Muslims,
and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell.
The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.”
Arabic or Islamic scholars agree, an Arabic word has only one root and
al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace).
The quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah,
it also orders them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule.
Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them.
thereligionofpeace dot com
answering-islam dot org
wikiislam dot net
>>700863424
muslims misquote 5:32 on purpose,
it applies to children of Israel
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person
not a religion of peace
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/10-reasons-not-peace.aspx
Leaving islam
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx
Myths about islam
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/index.aspx
Myths about muhammad
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/index.aspx
homosexuality
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx
muslims can kill anyone, anytime
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/self-defense.aspx
Verses of violence not taken out of context
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/out-of-context.aspx
quran translations are correct
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/arabic.aspx
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/index.html
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page
no science
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran
>>700842740
why did you kill Ha Min Lee?
I will pee in your butt.
>>700863424
verse 5:32
"
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."
you fucking idiot.
Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)"
Islam hates homosexuals.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx
In the Quran:
- non-muslims are not considered innocent civilians and are guilty of disbelief (45:31, 83:29) – the worst crime.
- non-Muslims are against Allah (25:55); on the side of the Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); “evil” (16:27, 2:91, 2:99); the “wrong-doers” (2:254, 5:45); the “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); hypocrites (4:61); “unclean” (9:28).
- non-Muslims are not fully human but are the “worst of created beings” (98:6); “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55); “the worst beasts in Allah’s sight” (8:55), “apes” and/or “pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166), and so on.
--------------------
Verse 60:4 says followers of Allah will hate the disbelievers forever, unless the disbelievers come to believe in Allah only.
Think about this thorough demonization of disbelievers, together with the conception of disbelief as the worst possible crime.
Now think about how easy it would be for a Quran-believing Muslim to find a non-Muslim guilty of corruption on earth or war against God.
In fact, many verses in the Quran order the killing of various kinds of disbelievers (33:61, 4:76, 4:89-91, 8:12, 9:41, 9:5, 9:29, 61:11, etc.).
Believers must honor their duty to Allah and fight the disbelievers in battle, or be punished in hell (2:216, 8:15-16, 9:39).
Although the Quran explicitly forbids the murder of Muslims (4:93), the Quran does not contain a similar statement that forbids the killing or murder of non-Muslims.
Uhm..
to keep the atmosphere good,
can someone dump some hot naked arabian women in this thread? Preferably with some tan.
>>700863065
Problem in these countries we are talking about
Democracy in those countries dient grow, it just came out of nowhere.
Yeah your peop!e habe power now, hooray!
But you can habe the best Bill of rights, a secularised state and Jurisdiktion based around the fact that every human being is equall
If the people of the country didnt have the mindset that is needed to keep such a state the way it is, it will eventually go back to its roots, because the people didnt fight for democracy or equality, it just happend to come by when they lost the war
The Problem of turkey explained
>>700862497
God is all of those things and more. The devil is an angel (Christians), or d'jinn that disobeyed God. God created the angels.
>>700863065
There should not be any laws that force people to adhere to any religion or ideology. Yet most of the oppressive governments aren't really religious as they leave out many facets of the religion. What government gives zakat?
If it is illegal to walk with a western woman in Morocco then it is the same as it being illegal to have oral sex in a few US states. It is not enforced, it is a remnant of ancient legislation that has not yet been revised. I have brought many many friends to Morocco. Asian, white, even a half black half asian girl. We go to the beach and everything. No one can say anything.
>>700863084
Sadly, there is no way to set that standard. That's how the Nazis got into power. They were voted in democratically and then the evil things they did were all done through legislation.
Government is very difficult. There is no perfect system.
>>700863873
"who kills one person is like like he killed all the humanity" is not printed in the quran in translated nor arabic version.
What is actually presented by apologists like you is a distorted, out-of-context and misleading paraphrasing of the following verse: Qur'an 5:32
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.
This verse is written in past tense (Ordained, not Ordain) and clearly does not apply to Muslims but to "the Children of Israel" i.e. the Jews who, according to Islam, received an earlier set of scriptures. In fact, it is mistakingly referencing a rabbinical commentary found in the Talmud as if it were the words of Allah.
Full explaination here : https://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person
you fucking idiot yourself!
Why do you fuck your cousins and rape your children?
>>700842740
Why do u make this same post almost everyday
>>700842740
Man stop posting and focus on your research, I remember you saying "I am a muslim in the strictest form" or something like that, could you elaborate ?
>>700864225
>it is the same as it being illegal to have oral sex
Not even remotely. None of your laws are comparable to ours, because yours are based on the mixture of church and state whereas ours do everything in their power to SEPARATE church and state. Cutting off someones hand is not comparable to the fucking death penalty either. What trick are you gonna pull out of your turban next? "OMG women who dont wear black sheets in the burning hot desert deserve to get raped"? Or maybe, "my daughter showed her ankle to a boy? better drown her in the family pool!"
your laws and your ideology are nothing like ours, and that's why we fucking hate you. you are the antithesis of everything we believe in, and that's why we've never been able to find common ground.
>>700863873
5:32 does not contradict the statement following statement: There is no place in the Quran where Muhammad tells Muslims to love people of other religions.
And the verse applies to the children of Israel not muslims.
>>700863424
All of those sources are not written by Muslims and are purposely made to bash Islam. Not trust worthy sources. Quite biased in the least.
>>700863546
Amazing podcast. Adnaan is either a crook or the system is biased. No one knows.
>>700863873
>>700864113
So many buzzwords so little time.
>>700864172
Agreed. It takes time to make things work. Yes there are many failures, but we need to let them learn from mistakes. It'll take a lot of time before those countries become good healthy democracies.
Winston Churchill on islam : "The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword.. it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men filled with wild and merciless fanaticism"
>>700848225
Nice straw man
>>700864824
Not OP, but didnt he also say that if india didnt have a famine then how is ghandi eating ?
you can be famous and retarded.
>>700842740
explain surah 9/29
>>700864732
>Adnaan is either
">>700863424
All of those sources are not written by Muslims and are purposely made to bash Islam. Not trust worthy sources. Quite biased in the least."
Non muslim can write and comment about islam and the quran.
These sources are stating facts.
2 questions for you:
- Do YOU think leaving/renouncing islam to become atheist, or convert to another religion, is a crime?
- If YOU think it is a crime, what do YOU think the punishment should be for leaving/renouncing islam?
>>700864984
You can also claim to be a religion of peace even if your people have been at each others throats since your prophet died 2K years ago. They didn't need our help to kill each other. They were doing it long before we got there.
Do a lot of muslims get diabetes?
>>700864250
Dude please. If you want to discuss something. Stick to an issue and we can go over it.
Random posting is pointless.
>>700864322
I don't.
>>700864558
I'm procrastinating writing a thesis.
>>700864628
Yeah I should be working. Need some time to relax. I say I am a Muslim in the strictest form because many people have a cookie cutter version of what a Muslim is and when they see I am not that then they say I am not a Muslim. This is wrong of them.
I am Muslim by what is required by the Q'ran and the Q'ran is what is important.
>>700864657
Actually your laws were based on Christian fundamental. Hence, one nation under God. It was only after the revolution that their was a separation of church and state.
Our laws and ideologies are actually very similar to Christians. More than 99% is similar actually.
I can elaborate if you actually care.
Here is what the 'prophet' says:
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/noble/sura9.html#29
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims,
but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/10-reasons-not-peace.aspx
>>700865036
Not op.
http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_929_commentary
>>700865372
Stop trying to be vague, elaborate, what is "required by the quran" ?
>>700865337
Im muslim and we were never taught that islam is a "religion of peace".
>>700865372
I am just posting interesting links that provide interesting facts so that people can research and make their own mind.
>>700842740
OP you sound like the level-headed Muslims that I actually know. Keep up the good work.
I would like to see how Muslims would react if all the Governments in Europe and North America would decide to ban all mosques, tell them to practice privately in their home and stop import of the Quran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia
http://www.expatarrivals.com/article/religion-and-worship-in-saudi-arabia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756134/Dozens-Christians-including-women-children-arrested-Saudi-Arabia-tip-state-s-Islamist-police-force.html
http://www.christianpost.com/news/saudi-arabias-new-law-imposes-death-sentence-for-bible-smugglers-131352/
Isn't halal like the most sufferable way for an animal to die?
Beismilah allahu akbar
>>700842740
prove this wrong
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/quran-hate.aspx
protip, you cant, ex muslim here and i didnt get murdered for apostasy get mad faggot.
Muhammad had worms in his mouth when he died, terror be upon him and his family, death to all his followers.
What's in the box?
Google for: Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam
Then read and look and also look at the graph in the article.
Among muslims who say sharia should be the law of the land, % who favor the death penalty for converts:
malaysia = 62%
Afghanistan = 79%
Pakistan = 76%
Egypt = 86%
Jordan = 82%
Palestinian terr = 66%
2 questions for you OP:
- Do YOU think leaving/renouncing islam to become atheist, or convert to another religion, is a crime?
- If YOU think it is a crime, what do YOU think the punishment should be for leaving/renouncing islam?
>>700865372
Yeah, I'd love to hear you explain how a law advocating child brides is similar to anything in our legal system whatsoever. That'll be a fucking hoot.
Your entire religion is founded on the logic of "an eye for an eye", a concept Christianity abandoned almost immediately after it was founded. In other words-- you're living by concepts that we left behind 2K years ago for being archaic.
>>700865922
Fking meteor
>>700864732
Around 2 months ago or sometime around that I said that you should check out The Masked Arab on youtube, you said you'd do it. What do you think about his arguments? Or have you not gotten around to doing that yet?
Although it seems like to me that you follow and see Islam in a very different way compared to all muslims I have met and befriended in my country, most of which were somewhat radical. So you may have a different view on his arguments.
>>700842740
Prayers is under 5 pillars of islam faggot
Theyre compulsory unless you got some serious reason.
>>700865922
Meteor.
No joke.
>>700864824
A person's fame should not a be a measure for their intelligence or merit for their opinions.
>>700864984
Yup.
>>700865036
This has already been addressed above.
>>700865137
Agreed non-Muslims can give their opinion on Islam if they are well researched and fair in their stance. Just read those sources, they are attacks on Islam. Nothing to be learned there.
No, I do not think it should be a crime to leave the religion. It is not advisable for someone to do that, religion has many facets that can help people. However, if they are able to find positivity and happiness outside of Islam without hurting his community then he is free to do as he pleases. God will be the one that will judge him based on his life's actions.
>>700865337
Actually Mohammed died 1400 years ago. Our other prophet Jesus dies 2000 years ago.
War existed before religion. Therefore, war is not a product of religion.
>>700865347
I do not know about Muslims as a whole. Mediterranean people in general have very high diabetes rates. Europe, Middle-East and North-Africa.
>>700865711
Not op, but no serious muslim takes Saudi arabian scholars seriously.
>>700865945
not op, I dont see how islam has to do anything with this, those are muslims, its very clear that the death punishment is only for treasonous apostates and not the average one, and the prophet never killed a non treasonous apostate.
>>700865551
>never taught that
Can you elaborate on what they DO teach you then? Because people are getting raped and tortured to death while we sit here mincing words about "moderate" vs "extreme" definitions.
mateens father didn't condemn his sons belief that homosexuals shouldn't be punished. he condemned that he took gods will into his own hands. the ideology didn't change, moderates are just bigger pussies than the extremists.
>>700866174
Highest still counts in Mexico however the sugarfest after ramadan encourages a lot of muslims to eat sweet stuff
>>700866174
>lol we've been killing each other for a long time so murder is totally OK
>muslim logic
We outgrew our animal instincts while you sit there advocating their use in the year of our lord 2016. War is a product of religion when one half is killing the other half BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
>I'll take every single Crusade since the dawn of time for 800 Alex
>>700866228
best use for that cancer of a book
>>700848225
How's that neckbeard growing in?
women in the quran
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/veils.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/women-worth-less.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/wife-beating.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/triple-talaq.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/men-in-charge-of-women.aspx
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/polygamy.aspx
>>700866343
We are taught islam.
Anyway, mateens father is correct but also incorrect at the same time, gay people are supposed to be punished, but there are a ton circumstances that need to be met first.
1) Do you believe in Sharia law?
2)If so, do you believe you have a right to enforce Sharia law in another country to which you do not naively come from.
3)Do you support ISIS or their ideals and beliefs?
>>700866775
Not op, but here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsz4c-mWxs
How do muslims pick their girls since you can't really see them under a burka?
>>700842740
If you dont like follow islam that much even though its not supposed to leave room for error. How are you a muslim, why can't you just be part of a semi decent religion instead of a shit tier veiled political idealogy?
>>700866827
Not op, but :
1) I think you mean do you think sharia law is good rather than "do you believe in sharia law" and assuming you meant the former then yes.
2) You cant enforce sharia law on non-muslims.
3)No.
>>700866913
Most girls dont wear burkas but whatever, in islam you dont chose a girl based on her looks.
>>700866823
I see. So you're only taught what your imams regurgitate back to you as the will of a sadistic child fucker who lived 1600+ years ago and told you to kill everyone who doesn't agree with you.
>mateens father is correct in any context
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
>>700867195
how do you choose her then? by which ones father gave you the most goats?
>>700844752
You're talking shit mate Islams mainly functioned as a warring force. Don't outright lie using that taqiya shit or w.e it is.
>>700867187
You can drink, have sex, and do whatever you want 24/7 and be muslim, you will just be a bad one.
>>700867224
Okay dude, you didnt really give me anything to refute here so maybe try to rephrase your question.
>>700867307
You get to have "dates" with her father, brother or whoever the male who takes care of her around.
>>700865551
What is required: someone abides by the ten commandments and the five pillars of Islam. It is not explicitly stated what the pillars are, but the pillars are the five most prevalent messages in the Q'ran. That is what is said to make a Muslim.
You are right. Islam, is neither a religion of peace nor violence. It is an ideology. A violent person will have a violent interpretation, a peaceful person will have a peaceful interpretation. Religion provides a path for a better life to both individuals. A way to live more morally.
>>700865570
There's nothing of interest in those links though. There are very interesting critiques. But, those are just attacks on Islam. They don't address anything of value. Most of the time all straw-mans.
>>700865705
Thanks.
>>700865711
That would be un-American by constitutional rights.
>>700865747
No. Halal is a more relaxed version of Kosher. It guarantees a good life for the animal and obliges the animal to die painlessly in a relaxed state. I can be more detailed if you care.
>>700865908
religionofpeace, is a bad source. Why do you have so much hatred inside you?
Are you happy?
>>700865922
A rock. Might be a meteor.
>>700865945
You are referring to that study Ben Shapiro loves to quote, and made popular. If you understood statistics you would know how bad of a study this is. Do you actually think they uphold scientific integrity?
I answered your questions. Refer to: >>700866174. Be patient. Good discussions do not happen quickly and filled with buzzwords.
>>700866030
Child brides were permissible by law in almost every country including the USA. It takes time for countries to evolve, give the countries time.
Moreover, read the thread, refer to: >>700852912
>>700866041
Maybe. or just a rock.
>>700866174
>Agreed non-Muslims can give their opinion on Islam if they are well researched and fair in their stance. Just read those sources, they are attacks on Islam. Nothing to be learned there.
No, I do not think it should be a crime to leave the religion. It is not advisable for someone to do that, religion has many facets that can help people. However, if they are able to find positivity and happiness outside of Islam without hurting his community then he is free to do as he pleases. God will be the one that will judge him based on his life's actions.
These links are well researched.
This links state facts about the quran.
The quran is not a book of peace.
Islam is not the religion of peace.
About apostasy you then disagree with the quran:
Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.
Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Quran verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, 9:66.
This is mostly a shill thread talking about individuals and i do this and I do that check out the scripture and check out its history and that speaks louder.
Again leaving islam (apostasy)
Hadith and Sira
The most reliable Hadith collection contain numerous accounts of Muhammad and his companions putting people to death for leaving Islam. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Those who obey the Messenger obey Allah."
Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
>>700867195
I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty uneducated when it comes to what -exactly- sharia law is.
From what I've been told and/or seen on tv and media, sharia law is pretty much the idea that if you disagree with the quran and its teachings, or if you are a non believer, if you don't accept Mohammad and become a Muslim, you accept death.
Is this essentially what Sharia law is? If not could you please tell me how I am wrong?
>>700867543
>takes time for countries to evolve
>every country has evolved past this practice except yours
you've had plenty of time, and you're still practicing these archaic values and accusing US of being infidels while you shit in your own streets and eat food with the hands you use to wipe your ass with.
Again leaving islam (apostasy)
Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice.
Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'."
Again leaving islam (apostasy)
Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe, who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" - upon finding out that grammatical changes could be made. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).
al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."
Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).
>>700867543
Yes please my friend went to a butcher one day and saw the Halal method. He thinks its pure crime to let an animal die when its is still conscious. Ever since he doesnt want to eat any halal meat
In 2016, the Islamic State beheaded a 14-year-old boy in front of his parents for missing prayers. This was consistent with Muhammad's order to burn those who would not pray (along with their houses), which he issued near the end of his life. When this happened, there was barely a peep of protest from the Muslim world.
Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to c awl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."
>>700868002
Mmmmm, just like it says absolutely nowhere in the Bible.
>look how similar our religions are!
>>700867543
Last time before you left you asked something like this
:Who is a better muslim, someone who doesnt pray but drinks an does good all day or a muslim who prays in the mosque 24/7, and the response was that both are bad, but the person who beats his wife is better IN ISLAM, since hes only doing one sin compared to someone whos forgoing a lot of fards.
>>700867928
Sharia law = a legal system, for stealing, killing, adultery, etc.
somethings do have a capital punishment attached to them, that much is true.
About the apostasy issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnVmNBZGezI
>>700867928
Let me google that for you
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sharia+law
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law
If the religion itself isn't the problem, why is every muslim ITT saying that all they're taught is the religion itself?
>if all they hear is the tenements of this religion
>then the religion itself is the goddamn problem
>>700868521
>Implying I'm a Christian
I love how Muslims and Atheists alike do this, when you insult an evil ideology, you're immediately assumed to be Christian. Fucking idiots.
>>700866082
Its in my to watch list. I haven't gotten around to it. I do not have much free time these days.
>>700866084
I do my five prayers a day. That equates to approx. 1 hour a day. hence, not all day every day.
>>700866157
Yup or just a rock.
>>700866228
If you are Jewish or Christian you are equally desecrating your prophets by doing this.
>>700866343
We are taught Islam. I do not have enough time to explain to you all that is Islam here. But, you can start by just reading the Q'ran with an open mind.
>>700866578
Also the daily tea in North African culture is dangerous. My extended family drinks sweet tea about 6 times a day. Its very sweet.
>>700866617
Do you really think that the reason for these wars is the religious beliefs? Really?
Do you think there would be peace if religion suddenly disappeared?
Don't you think that the wars are caused by the human desire for power and wealth?
Think about this.
>>700866827
1. Refer to third reply in: >>700849799
2. No, you are free to move to whatever country you wish. if that country opposes your values do not move there. Luckily Western countries which are based on Christian beliefs, much like how Islam is based in Christianity, have almost the same beliefs and are therefore compatible.
3. Of course not. Refer to third answer again in: >>700849799
>>700866913
Only Gulf countries wear the burka. Most Muslims live in non-Gulf countries.
I don't know what Gulf country marriage traditions are like.
>>700867187
Anon answered you correctly. I follow Islam strictly. Just read the thread. Its been asked and answered.
>>700867365
Taaqiya, just google it. I mentioned buzzwords in the header to the thread.
>>700868830
>implying I'm talking to you and not to OP who just claimed that islam and christianity are nearly identical in their ideologies
>>700867535
So the girl never gets to choose who is going to be her husband?
>>700868748
Thanks, I was hoping to get a reply from someone who is a Muslim, though.
I could have easily googled it myself, but to get it straight from the horses mouth means more to me, so to speak.
>>700868521
>similar our religions
Don't worry I have plenty of the bible and christianity.
They are all in the same bucket but the quran is really worse than the bible, and islam really worse than christianity.
Getting rid of both and judaism too would be a great relief for the world.
>>700868901
>If you are Jewish or Christian you are equally desecrating your prophets by doing this.
Point out to me where it says to not eat delicious bacon in the Bible.
>>700868968
Yes she does, she can tell her caretaker "I dont want to marry this person"
>>700867639
Where are you from?
Too many buzzwords for me.
I will start to skip over the buzzword and even remotely troll comments, I am getting tired and queuing for a match.
>>700868901
>read the quran with an open mind
>reading the quran is what made me renounce islam altogether kiddo
>do you think there would be peace if religion suddenly disappeared?
Are we talking about warfare tactics or are we talking about the fact that you slaughter each other because one side doesn't agree with the other? You're constructing one hell of a strawman here, just like muslims always do when trying to defend a religion that tells them to murder everyone who doesn't agree with them.
>inb4 you fags say lol its the fastest growing religion in the world something must be right!
threatening someone with death unless they convert =/= they actually agree with the religion itself. they have to agree with you or you'll kill them. doesn't mean you actually have decent beliefs. just means you have a gun and they don't.
>>700868901
So OP should muslim who do not pray 5 times a day should be burn like the prophet said?
>>700868901
>>700868712
>>700842740
Do people treat you differently after 9/11, if so, how?
Have you ever been called a terrorist by a random simply because of your appearance?
Do you feel like the shit that ISIS does gives you and everyone who identifies as a Muslim, a bad name. Or a worse name.
Do you agree with the banning of the burqa in Britain? (Or other places that may soon ban it as well)
Do you wear traditional muslim clothing?
And finally, assuming you live in a predominantly muslim country, have you been local too or even seen a ISIS style murder/bombing?
>>700869163
And does her opinion gets first priority or is it to the caretaker to take priorities?
>>700869283
>I'm getting tired of presenting all these strawman fallacies and calling you trolls for calling me out on it.
ftfy.
>>700868901
Oh on cool. I'm happy you didn't forget about that.
What's your thesis about btw? If you want to relax for a bit then I recommend laying down in your bed for like 10 mins, closing your eyes and trying to imagine your project as a whole. Helped me come up with a lot of nice ideas for the many network engineering protocols I wrote.
>>700869566
This. I can tell my dad I'm not going to eat my broccoli all I want. Doesn't mean he's not going to make me sit there and eat it before I can leave the table.
>>700869464
Also in your opinion, do you believe your religion is one of peace and not war/hate?
If so, could you explain how? I live in Australia and all we ever see here on tv or in the media is about how hateful your religion is. Not trying to be a dick, just being honest.
put put ding ding 2.99
>>700869464
Im not american so number 1 2 are a no.
3)Yes.
4) Ofcourse not, I dont support the banning of any form of clothing.
5) I do not, but I follow the regulations, EG, no shorts as a muslim.
6) Im jordanian, we had 6-7 troops killed by ISIS recently.
>>700869566
Her opinion gets first priority.
>>700869283
Respond : >>700868712
>>700868498
How do you think non-Halal/Kosher meat dies?
>>700868712
No. No one except God can make that judgement. Islam states that their are graver offenses depending on the effect of the sin on the lives of others. The question I posed is philosophical, there is no answer. We can all have opinions about the issue. I would state that the man who beats his wife is much worse due to effect of his acts as compared to the other. But, that is my perspective of an issue only God can evaluate.
>>700869137
Deuteronomy 14:8
Just read the bible once, just once.
>>700869283
European and atheist.
You will start to skip over the buzzword and even remotely troll comments?
In some of your other posts you are asking people to read the quran.
I am quoting the quran.
>>700869905
Fine, I can live with that response.
I dont know why but it seems to me like you arent religious, like you do "bad" things, I cant seem to shake it off.
>>700869905
In my country they get a high pressure pin hammered into their head so everything goes fast and painless
>>700869405
He won't answer that one because "buzz word question". Don't bother asking about each and every occurrence of "kill the unbelievers" in the Koran. BTW, murder is advocated over 200 times.
>>700869283
This is /b/. Deal with it, faggot.
>>700869856
Well thats quite a fair way of dealing with love. However I would like to see how that goes since I can like only imagine it right now
>>700844752
..except in the East you and your family aren't lined up against a wall and shot to death if you try to opt out.
>>700870686
Inb4 muh forced assimilation
>>700869283
So OP,
Do you disagree with the quran verses that say to kill people who commit apostasy (leave islam)?
Do you disagree with what the prophet say in islamic texts asking for people who commit apostasy (leave islam) to burnt and killed?
I have quoted some of the verses above.
So, do you disagree with those?
I am serious and not trolling.
>>700842740
Hahahahahah i love your message
>>700870708
What happened with my own sister was that the first time the guy came around with his family and we simply talked until we found out more about them, then simply they had dates with either one of me, my dad or my brother, until they were engaged, and then they they got married
>>700842740
Time-stamp and show us you suicide belt as proofs
>>700870596
How convenient.
OP presents himself as "I am a serious practitioner of Islam in its fundamental form."
But will not answer question about specific quotes.
How convenient.
>>700871428
I'm not a muslim, but can one not belong to a religion without adopting every aspect of it?
>>700871135
Its not quite the same as marriage right? I understand harem is a thing which is like not wrong I guess (how does that make his first girl feel when he gets a second one actually?)
>>700870596
Oh wow, JUST LIKE IN CHRISTIANITY EH OP?!
You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous
you already posted this here before, that or you copy pasted. fuck off.
also that isn't you, google image search shows it is Vanessa Hudgens
>>700871549
No because apparently Islam is an "all or nothing" gig. Apparently, if you DONT adopt every aspect of it they have the legal right to kill you and burn your house down.
>>700869292
Simple. There will still be war if Islam did not exist. Therefore, war and violence is not a consequence of Islam.
>>700869405
No.
>>700869464
1. Only once I came to North America I noticed it.
2. Yes, but I am white so it was after they saw my name.
3. Yes, they have tarnished are reputation.
4. No, in a free country all people should wear what they please. They should instead go after the poeople that are oppressing their wives to wear a burqa.
5. Moroccan traditional clothes is quite cool looking but not appropriate for work. It's also not Islamic, it predates Islam. Muslim clothes would just be modest clothing, I believe I dress modestly.
6. I was born and raised in Morocco. Lived there until I was an adult. No I never saw an attack. Although there was one not too far from my hometown, a few hours north. Was not ISIS though, was before ISIS existed. Westerns over exaggerate the power of ISIS. We shouldn't give them more credit than they actaully are.
>>700869567
lol. Read the thread. I have studied this way more than most people have.
>>700869668
Breast Cancer Detection using UWB Emissions.
I really enjoy discussing these things. I just wish some people were more friendly when discussing. But, I do understand that some people seldom get a chance to talk like this and are not used to it.
>>700869702
Neither, it is an ideology. Like Darwins theory of evolution. It's supposed to be a neither violent or peaceful scientific discovery. However, it laid the ground work for social-darwinism by violent people who interpreted the scientific discovery violently.
Yeah were being desecrated in the media because only the crazies get coverage. No one will ever come to me in my boring life and ask me whats up.
>>700869856
I answered him.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Matthew 6:9–13
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
>>700871559
yeah, fuck jesus, that lousy pacifist who taught his followers to love everyone including people who wanted to kill them.
1 Timothy 1:12
I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service.
>>700871762
>>700869405 (You)
No.
But how can you be a muslim and disagree with the words of the prophet and the quran?
Mark 10:45
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
>>700871611
>>700871864
>>700872022
>>700872195
Guys srsly ask a question or GTFO
>>700871762
Thanks for your replies, mate. Much appreciated.
I've got a couple more.
Do you have negative feelings towards Americans? Or do you understand why there is this theme of hating Americans throughout Islamic countries?
I'm a christian, well, I was raised as one. However seeing that America has killed millions of muslims compared to the thousands of Americans killed... really makes me think sometimes. Perhaps their hatred is justified?
Not saying that attacking Americans is justified, though. But if the people of my religion were getting murdered by the millions and yet I??? came across as the bad guy because I am a muslim... i'd probably hate the Americans too.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them
Matthew 24:24 “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”
Second Peter 2:1-3 “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.”
Luke 6:26 “Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.”
>>700871762
>simple
If it's so simple, why are you failing to comprehend it this badly? Let me use small words then.
If I punch someone in the face after he called me a name, that person just got punched because he called me a name. We call that "causality". He took an action, that produced a reaction.
Just like when you kill someone because they don't believe like you do. You killed someone because of your religious belief that they deserve to be killed for not believing like you do. i.e. and heres the most important bit so pay attention...
that person is dead now because of a religious belief. abolishing the religion that told you to do it gets rid of the belief that justified it in your mind, and stops others from following the religion that tells them to do the same fucking thing.
>>700871762
>>700869702
Neither, it is an ideology. Like Darwins theory of evolution. It's supposed to be a neither violent or peaceful scientific discovery. However, it laid the ground work for social-darwinism by violent people who interpreted the scientific discovery violently.
But the quran ask many times to kill others, mostly non-believers.
And the prophet Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them.
From each period in Muhammad's life, scattered across 87 of the Quran's 114 chapters, there are at least three dozen verses that tell believers to fight against non-Muslims, and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell.
How can the quran and islam not be a violent religion.
The scientific theory of evolution does not ask anyone to kill in its name.
>>700870233
I don't sin. Sin brings negativity to yourself and others. It is not beneficial.
>>700870256
Painless... Watch Earthlings.
>>700870809
Google Mao ZeDong
Jeremiah 23:16 “This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.”
>>700872985
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
>>700872986
>dont listen to the prophets
>dont listen to muhammad, abraham, or jesus
Well you're 1 for 2, Islam. Our religion flat out tells us not to listen to the retard you essentially worship like a god now (like a false idol).
And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
>>700872985
Kebab is however still lovely food but srsly its like so fast that your neurotransmitters can't emit a signal to the brains anymore
The reality is that the earliest accounts of Jesus coming out of the first-century A.D. show that the He was no mere prophet. Jesus did and said things no mere prophet could ever do or say. There are things reported about Him that could not be ascribed to any mere prophet and thus historically and theologically speaking – Jesus is more than just a prophet – Jesus is God. Lord willing this information will be useful to those Muslims being drawn to Christ who truly want to know what the first-century accounts say about Him.
Christ has risen, He is Lord.
>>700873305
#1 If Jesus is merely a prophet then why does John 5:23 state that, “… everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him” (John 5:23 ESV)? Wouldn’t honoring Jesus just as, or in the same way we honor the Father be blasphemy if Jesus is merely a prophet? Would it be acceptable for a Muslim to honor Muhammad in the same way and to the same extent that they honor Allah? The primary definition of Greek word for “just as” (kathōs) is “… according as, just as, even as, in proportion as, in the degree that.”1 Thus, there is no question that this verse is commanding believers to honor, revere, or venerate Jesus to the same degree as we honor, revere and venerate the Father. Since the Father is to be honored as God and to the greatest extent, so is Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is not a mere prophet.
>>700873638
>>700872022
Leviticus 20:13
>>700873305
If Jesus is merely a prophet then why in Revelation 5:8-14 does it say that in heaven every creature including angels and elders will worship Jesus saying He is worthy of praise, glory, honour and power forever and ever? If Jesus is a mere prophet and not God, doesn’t this derogate from worship that God alone deserves? If it is worship only due to God doesn’t this prove that the first-century texts are affirming that Jesus is more than just a prophet? Revelation 5:8-14 says:
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!” Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!” The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped. (Revelation 5:8-14 NIV).
>>700871762
"I answered him" Im the same guy mate, but I sent that a second before your current post came out.
>>700872985
What do you define as sin ? Do you drink ? do you have a girlfriend ? You obviously have a ton of porn and thats a sin, so no, you do sin (which is fine, everyone sins, but you shouldnt say "I dont sin")
>>700871556
While there are some key differences, they are at base the same, sharing you life with someone, and about polygamy, while it is permissible for someone to marry 4 wives in islam, regardless of who they are, the permisibility of it comes from very extreme cases, I would say 95% of people Ive ever seen only marry one woman, but some people sometimes need more.
Now, he obviously must tell her and it must be discussed that he might do it before marriage, and if not discussed she is able to call for a divorce that favors the man when it comes down to possessions, if it is prediscussed then the husband must treat both wives equally and any lopsided behaviour will be judged by god on the day of judgment, and if that behaviour is obvious then she can call for a divorce that favors her when it comes down to possesions.
>>700873638
History has been manipulated by 3rd century church.
Basically, a lie was created to pretend jesus was the messiah.
The propehcy: a Messiah descended from King David, and would be born in behtlehem.
Why do Matthew and Luke gospels seem to trace the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph, when they deny that he is his biological father?
According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph.
A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.
Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David.
For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded.
As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification.
Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone.
Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David.
Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father.
The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus.
The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.
It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary.
Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine (basically a lie) for the Church to adopt it for jesus to be a descendant of David.
Nowhere in the third Gospel, or in the entire New Testament, for that matter, is there a claim that Mary was a descendant of the House of David.
On the contrary, Luke plainly asserts that it is Joseph who was from the House of David, not Mary.
All these Bible verses are believed by muslims. The Bible is a Holy text according to Muslims.
>>700873750
In Islam, he is just a prophet. Muhammad is their Jesus, apparently. Even though he never claimed to actually be the son of God to qualify for your particular loophole.
Ba'hai believe that all prophets carry the same message from God, and that we're all following the same religion dressed in different clothes. And they preach about accepting those who chose to follow a different messenger. And that's why they're being imprisoned for life and murdered for their beliefs in Iran and Saudi Arabia.
>>700873638
In Luke 2: Mary and Joseph traveled to the town for a census prior to Jesus's birth.
- There is no record of Caesar Augustus' decree that "all the world should be enrolled".
The Romans kept extremely detailed records of such events.
Every five years the Romans enumerated citizens and their property to determine their liabilities.
The property tax was collected on site by travelling assessors, thus making unnecessary Joseph's journey away from what little property he must have owned.
- It has long been known that Tertullian held that S. Sentius Saturninus, not Quirinius, was governor at the time of Jesus' birth.
Saturninus ruled from 9-6 B.C.E., the period most likely to be Jesus' birth time.
P. Quintilius Varus was governor during the next most likely period of 6-4 B.C.E.
M. Titius was in Syria ca. 10 B.C.E.
Quirinius himself was very much occupied during this time, having been assigned to the campaign in Cilicia in Asia Minor from ca. 11-3 B.C.E.
Some say that Quirinius had an unrecorded term as Syria's governor during the time of Jesus' birth but it was unheard of that a proconsul would become a legate twice in the same province.
We can now understand why Jesus never mentions his birth in Bethlehem; and that, except for the birth stories, Jesus is always connected with Nazareth.
jesus cannot be the messiah.
>>700872370
>>700871762
>>700869405 (You) (You)
No.
OP, how can you be a muslim and disagree with the words of the prophet and the quran?
>>700873986
he obviously mustn't*
fuck I made a mistake.
>>700874530
OPs not actually a muslim. He's a cancerous troll.
>>700865372
the "under God" was inserted during the 50's as a product of the red scare to show that we were better than those godless commies
>>700873986
Your right. Like I said I'm getting tired and I'm playing a game. So my responses aren't as well concentrated.
We all sin. I prefer to commit relatively harmless sins. Like having some pornography.
>>700874664
Na,
he is a "muslim" who know shit about his own religion and magical book.
>>700842740
Fuck you and the rest of your kind (which included my for a long time until that fucking islamic school that I had fo go because there werent any schools other than them)
>>700842740
why are you making shit up for attention on /b/?
this is sad
>>700874771
this. muslims who claim otherwise are just as ignorant of our religious beliefs as we are of theirs.
>>700866030
"an eye for an eye" was actually an improvement that limited endless and escalating feuding--i.e., if someone harms you, harm him back in exactly the same way and stop there. islam discarded that improvement and returned to the barbarism of "kill him and his whole family for an eye"
>>700875434
What a crock of shit, the penalty for killing an innocent person is death, and if the family of the person was killed said that they dont want the person who killed their relative to be killed then they are let go, dont lie.
>>700874895
What game are you playing brov ?
>>700875858
DotA, my whole research group plays at night after work lol. So I'm just replying when I am dead.
>>700875991
Ive like 2k hours on dota but idk I just got bored with it, last I played was a few weeks before they changed the map, WoW and OW for me right now.
I see this post almost every time I am on /b/, and only come on once a month. Last time someone said that the OP was IDF.
>>700875434
>>700875816
It's almost as if the entire Islamic population has NEVER heard the phrase "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" before.
If you kill 20 people for the misdeed of one, you just put yourself in debt by 19 eyes. Eventually, those 19 will kill your family, which breeds 20 more eyes to be taken, which breeds 40 more eyes to be taken, and on and on.
Eventually, you'll run out of eyes and start wondering why the rest of the world keeps bombing your homes trying to stop your killing spree.
>>700876346
What ? rephrase please.
>Our laws and ideologies are actually very similar to Christians. More than 99% is similar actually.
Yeah, please list me all the western nations that legally punish/execute atheists and homosexuals. Or enforce sharia law. Or force women to wear hijabs. Or corroboration of rape has must have the witnesses of 4 men, otherwise the women is guilty of sex out of marriage(Quran 24:4) and can be stoned to death. Or that men can legally and forcibly rape their wives, at any time, without punishment(Quran 2:223).
There are literally hundreds of more fucked up things about Islam.
You are comparing judicial systems and governments that are religious based to governments that possessed religious values but made laws to not favor/follow religions and that people have a right to do process, which does not exist in Islam.
Islam is a cancer bestowed upon humanity and when the people get sick of it, it will be eradicated.
>>700865372
> I am Muslim by what is required by the Q'ran and the Q'ran is what is important.
But OP, I asked if people who commit apostasy (leaving islam) should be killed and you replied: no.
I asked you if people who do not pray 5 times daily should be burnt as the prophet asked to be done, and you replied: no.
Basically, you disagree with the words of the prophet, and you disagree with the words of the quran.
Therefore, you cannot be a "muslim by what is required by the Q'ran and the Q'ran is what is important" as you say you are.
OP, care to comment?
>>700876540
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".
It's really the only way to phrase that concept. Killing someone for revenge, means their family will kill you as revenge, which means your family will kill them for revenge, which means their family will kill yours for revenge, forever.
>>700848725
Most wars were started by atheists/agnostics for power or land. Learn some history, fucking pleb.
>>700877280
It means people will just keep killing each other until theres no one left to kill. That's why Christianity abandoned it thousands of years ago. What is a religion without its followers?
>>700877842
>answer
An idea someone once had a long time ago.
>>700848725
If here is no higher power, how does one drfine moral? Who says killing the weak is wrong? What about mating with kids? How about cannibalism? All those things are done by animals in nature so why not humans?
>>700876618
Kind of bored of answering the same questions but fine.
you cant punish atheists and homosexuals in non sharia law settings.
You arent supposed to force women to wear hijab.
"Fale rape accusations", it also has to do with the fact that every claim needs to have proof legally in islam.
>There are literally hundreds of more fucked up things about Islam.
Right, tell me more.
>Islam is a cancer bestowed upon humanity and when the people get sick of it, it will be eradicated.
You cant eradicate Islam as it is protected by god, but nice try there mate.
>>700877280
No thats not how it works in islam, if someone kills your son for an example, the score board is 0-1, you get to make it 1-1, any further killings are against sharia.
>>700877280
Eastern philosophy goes with the concept of an eye for an eye. It is not about killing innocent people.
If a rapist raped your sister, you do not rape the rapist sister, the eye for an eye is about justice. You give in return what the rapist did. (i.e.justice).
I swear that shit book Holes popularized this misnomer of this rather beautiful concept.
>>700848725
I feel like this oversimplifies the role religion plays in the average believers household. It's not just about having faith that someones up there watching everything you do. Most people use religion to teach their children right from wrong, and as a shortcut for keeping their kids in check. "Because God says so" is easier than explaining the details of your reasoning to a 7 year old.
>>700878510
Then you get adults that don't have a solid foundational framework of understanding the world and do dumb shit.
