Why shouldn't guns be banned?
>>700217743
Why should they?
>>700217743
Well that debate got heated
so i can murder people as i please you fucking liberal cucks
>>700217743
>Cos it's the evil liberal government trying to take away our freedom
>cos how are teachers gonna kill school shooters
>cos rednecks will start killing people with spades instead
>>700217743
Eurofag? If so you would want guns when you've all had enough of the dune coons invading your country.
>>700217743
I think they're cool and idc if people die from guns
>>700218226
That's a very murican way of thinking
Too much fun?
>>700218144
You misspelled niggers
>>700218373
>>700218144
>>700218129
>>700217743
Every one of you is what's wrong with our country now
>>700218226
Dune coons? I've never heard that. That's a good one
>>700217743
why shouldnt cars be banned?
no one needs a car that goes over 50mph,
or that can fit more than 4 military aged males,
we have public transport and our legs,
why have a vehicle which you can hide contraband in,
cars should be banned for their fatality figures alone.
>>700218439
I don't even believe in God but I look forward to the final crusade
>>700217743
Because its a right
/thread
>>700218144
>spades
britbong detected
>right'oh guvnah!
>>700217743
Because there are a ton of stray cats that show up in my yard
>>700217743
to protect against niggers who own illegal guns duuh mister obvious
>>700218601
This guy here is right CARS NEED TO BE BANNED TOO
>>700218226
I've been saying sand niggas up to this point, dune coons is a great one
>>700217743
How else would I kill the vermin and pests that invade my garden?
You don't know the usefulness of guns until you've had to defend your 100 acre property from invading gophers, deer, wolves, and coyotes,
>>700217743
guns save lives
>>700218927
Traditional slurs are great, but creating new ones is a lost art.
Btw my grandma taught me "dune coon" rip my racist grandma
>>700217743
in usa ? it doesnt matter if theyre legal or not cuz everyone already has them , cant take them away
>>700217743
Because when guns are banned, only bands will have guns.
>>700218601
Cars greatly help the economy, people can go out anywhere at at any time to an extremely specific location which beats pretty much every other mode of transportation. A lot of people do die but they're needed
>>700217743
Fuck you. I like guns
>>700218488
Because the second amendment you fucking faggot if you don't like it then leave
>>700219122
A high end air rifle, maybe a 9mm
>>700219359
That's your only argument. It's not a lot, but it's all you've got
>>700219504
Wild hogs would laugh if they got shot with an air rifle
>>700218675
well shit, this.
>>700217743
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>700219504
>9mm air rifle
Britfag detected
>>700219629
Crossbow
>>700219504
Still a gun, son. I use a .22 because I don't have anything around here that could potentially attack me other than bears and moose, and for those you can generally just shoot near them and they'll run off.
>>700219504
Are you fucking stupid
>>700219313
But that doesnt make the case for private ownership of vehicles, just that vehicles are necessary. Shouldnt we, as a society, care about the unwanted millions of deaths these machines cause? I make the case that only the government should be allowed to have control of transportation, this way we can lower the deaths and become a more whole society.
>>700219802
And when the other hogs in the pack charge you?
>>700219629
I've killed a deer with a 22 lr you'd be surprised
>>700219443
Can you seriously not tell that my comment supports gun owners you fucking retard?
>>700219974
Then you must have made one hell of a shot
>>700219771
Hey don't generalise I'm a britbong and I own guns and know my shit. I sleep with my SMLE
>>700219313
they are needed because we built our infrastructure around them.
there are many major cities having to re-do their highway/interstate system from the 70s and 80s because they are a detriment to the development, cause class/social seperation, etc.
some cities are are planning systems that mimic ancient european cities because of their ease of pedestrian use and lower vehicle congestion while maximizing public transport.
in the grand scope of human, the car as we know it will only exist for a couple hundred years total.
>>700220194
You have have guns and you haven't started clearing out refugees? Wtf dude?
>>700217743
cause I needs an extension for my tiny dick
you fucking retarded underage autists with .22 you can kill a cat at most
>>700218144
Because any attempts to ban firearms would lead to civil war in the USA.
>>700219974
>>700220187
>>700220251
While certainly POSSIBLE, it's not exactly the easiest thing in the world.
I use .308 when I hunt deer. One of my buddies uses his .556, but if he doesn't get them square in the rib, the damn thing doesn't even pass through.
>>700219565
Ignoring the facts just make you an idiot.
>fuck you I like guns
no he means
>fuck you I have the right to protect myself and those around me
Just because some retarded assholes go on a rampage or commit crimes means you get to take away guns from innocent people.
I will give you gun hating faggots this though, we need tighter gun control and licencing. There should be a BMV of guns and we all take a class. Cant pass a basic vision and safety class? No gun for you.
Ahhh I can already hear my fellow gun nuts now..... THEYLL ABUSE IT AND MAKE THE BAR TOO HIGH SO NO ONE CAN HAVE GUNS!!!!
Good. I dont want blind, reckless aholes with guns
>>700220393
Not necessarily true, it was the original hit weapon of the mob, because it would bounce around in the skull
>>700220372
I'm a poor northerner who lives in a small town without any of Them. I cant afford to travel and I enjoy my life. Plus I'm saving to move county.
>>700220630
Yeah. If it penetrated
>>700220393
>you fucking retarded underage autists with .22 you can kill a cat at most
.22 has been the traditional round of hit men. Gangstas do not know what they are doing so they have to use something bigger.
>>700220593
>Just because some retarded assholes go on a rampage or commit crimes means you get to take away guns from innocent people.
Doesn't*
>>700219974
>>700220187
i guess if you find the soft spot behind the sholder and you puncture the hide with enough velocity left to cause internal damage/ hemorrhaging, then sure... maybe you killed a deer with a 22lr.
>>700220393
>>700219812
WIth the larger animals, it's about scaring them off. They just spook if they hear the rifle or see the bullet land near them.
>>700220300
Maybe it's time to rethink our values in this country. Maybe building infrastructure around death machines isn't the best idea.
Ban vehicles and city planners will change to meet the new expectations.
>>700219443
You mean the 2nd amendment that states
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
and when it was written it was written to mean anyone that has undergone the same training as a person within the military. Fact of the matter is, not every single person was intended to own a gun. Only those that had gone through the same military training were allowed.
It was interpreted to mean we all have the right to guns.
>>700220548
I'm thinking of buying another mosin to modify into a hunting rifle 7.62 x 54r will rip through whatever I hunt
>>700220825
this. giving guns to retards is bad
>>700220726
.22 is a very effective round if you know what you are doing.
>>700217743
Because if you start banning art then everyone loses.
If everyone who commits a crime against people or their property gets sterilized, you have a massive drop off in crime in a generation.
>>700220825
Nope
Look at the laws that uphold the 2nd ammendment
Also what is considered military training in 1776? When all the soliders where farmers with rifles?
>>700218439
>defending yourself is an american way of thinking
rofl no wonder you guys keep getting attacked
>>700220593
They should teach basic firearm safety in highschool is what they should do.
They should have a class for each ammendment to the constitution, critical thinking, firearm safety, legal process, military history, ect.
>>700220825
>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
Are we saying that people without military training are no longer people?
>>700219967
Put yourself in a situation where the hogs can't charge you. Plenty of people hunt hugs with primitive weapons, just invest in a tree stand. It will be much safer than hunting them with a gun
>>700220955
Yep and the rep the .22 has for hit men is what lead to the media panic over the .22 Aguila SSS Sniper Subsonic. OMG a round just for hitmen!! Noooo! Think of the childrens!
>>700220763
Death machines? How about tonight I'll put my gun in a boot so he can walk, give it the keys to the house and car, and put a hat and sunglasses on it so it can blend in and I'll see if it left to kill anyone in the morning...dumbass.."death machines"..stupidest fucking thing I've read in this thread
>>700220593
anti-gun libs are always the same "you shouldn't have a gun"
"you gonna take it from me?"
"No... I don't believe in guns."
"fuck off faggot."
>>700217743
Because blaming an inanimate object for the actions of people and thinking more laws will stop people from breaking the laws that already exist are both fucking retarded notions.
>>700221205
I was referring to cars dumbass.
>>700221125
TheY used to, but then faggy libs got rid of it
Because every man should be able to defend himself and his possessions/family with deadly force against would-be attackers and thieves. Would you rather this is accomplished with swords instead of guns? Or are you one of those imbeciles who says "no one should be allowed to possess something designed solely to kill people!"?
>>700220825
but militia didn't necessarily get military training.
a good amount were just farmhands who were a decent shot. "regulated militia" not military trained statesmen, prety much just means the local militia leader knew who you were and that you had guns if the situation called for it. i own guns and support 2A but also agree guns shouldnt be given to retards and that some regulation is neccessary.
>>700220825
Dude, Madison in the Federalist papers directly contradicts your reasoning. The founding fathers wanted the average Joe to be armed. I don't understand how antigunners can try to debate the wording of the second amendment when we have other documents by the founding fathers confirming pro-gun arguments.
>>700221202
integral baffled 22lr with subsonics is my favorite varmint setup
Banning guns doesn't take them from the hands of criminals. You are only removing them from law abiding citizens.
>>700220972
what kind of glock is that
>>700220825
>and when it was written it was written to mean anyone that has undergone the same training as a person within the military.
No.
You should punch whoever told you that. Then punch yourself for believing them.
Then kick yourself in the dick for repeating what you heard.
During the revolution they were recruiting anyone who would fight (soldiers like Washington were rare) and sending them into the meatgrinder. Hobos, farmers, etc.
After the war they were worried the British would come back so they wanted EVERYONE to have a gun. Not sure how much that helped in 1812? Did we win?
>>700219933
You're right, public transportation is really available and a far superior option in terms of environment. Too bad gas and car companies prevent it from becoming a truly viable option bc they would lose marker shares.
>>700221486
Also check out muh funs
>>700221568
That is an AK47 retard.
>>700221455
No, what they literally meant when they wrote it was a well trained and disciplined miltia. It was not supposed to be any guy can go down to the gun store and pick up a fire arm.
They intended you to train to use the weapon, gain knowledge of it's workings and then be giving it.
>>700221205
Do you know how to read? or are you constantly blinded by your own stupidity?
>>700221257
underated
>>700217929
/thread.
>>700221688
You mongoiloid, see>>700221486
>>700221688
>>700221688
No, it wasnt
Because of this asshole
>>700221486
Except that Madison wasn't even listened to. That's why he had to constantly go back and rewrite his stuff because the other founding fathers disagreed with what he had crafted.
Madison did indeed believe every single man should own a gun, the others didn't agree with him. I'm not even an "anti-gunner" I grew up shooting firearms with my dad, we would go down to the red river every weekend, spend hours with his collection of guns. A collection I inherited and maintain today. I just believe this shit should be read and understood the way it was meant to be understood.
>>700221873
Explain why... Use more than 3 words
>>700221688
>and disciplined miltia
How is spanking going to help a militia?
>>700221997
I'll use three words, IT'S OUR RIGHT
>>700220825
"Only those that went through military training"
How many members of the Continental army were trained as soldiers? How many households used a rifle to hunt dinner each day?
You need a history lesson.
>>700221974
>"The federalist papers aren't a good explanation of the constitution, my feelings are more accurate."
>>700221997
Because how can you claim it was meant to mean (literally) a well trained militia, when there was no training besides here is how the gun works. That was all these farmers knew, to say differently is beyond ignorance.
>>700221714
Why the fuck are you talking about vehicles in an anti gun thread...fuck off..vehicles aren't death machines either fuckhole it's the idiots driving them
>>700222112
Documentation also exists that shows how many times he had to rewrite his propositions to the others, how many times they rejected them.
>>700221663
why would anyone spend so much americredits on an airsoftguns. even if its nice AK with golds.
>>700217743
Just a reminder no one thinks guns should be banned; there are no anti gun people. There are only people who think the state should have a monopoly on guns.
You can't take away someone guns without guns.
You can't enforce the law and maintain order without the threat of violence provided by guns.
Somehow morons believe two things: cops love to kill innocent people and only cops should have guns. It's a bizarre state of double think that makes my brain spin.
if guns are 'banned', criminals would obviously not give a shit, seeing how they are criminals. Thus every law abiding citizen would have no means to protect themselves
>>700221974
I only used Madison as an example. Nice that you will cherry pick which of our founders fit your narrative. Commencing dump
>>700222210
It's the fact that the term "well regulated" had a much different meaning at that time. It meant well trained and disciplined, period.
>>700219704
.44?
Do any of my fellow mericans actually think the U.S. Military would actually back the federal government if a civil war erupted? I personally don't think that they would.
>>700221974
>>700222456
>>700221974
>>700222514
>>700221257
>Ghost don't exist because I don't believe in them.
>I don't believe in guns. Guns don't exist.
>>700222476
No it didnt, it meant of proper working order. That doesnt mean training or discipline, merely the fact that it could function.
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
>>700222585
WE NEED GUN RESTRICTION BECAUSE WHITE ON BLACK/MUSLIM VIOLENCE IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH AND WE NEED TO ACCEPT OUR BROWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND PRAISE ALLAH WITH THEM
>>700222510
Red team analysis says 70/30 split, with 70% backing the government.
>>700222220
It's something to refer to, vital in any debate. And if you actually read and understood anything, you would realize the sarcasm in stating anything can be demonized (my point) and consequences fall on the individual (your point). We are in agreement but you are too nigger-brained to understand.
>>700222683
Fuck allah
>>700222652
>>700221974
Any more "insight" from the wise one?
>>700221688
>No, what they literally meant when they wrote it was a well trained and disciplined miltia. It was not supposed to be any guy can go down to the gun store and pick up a fire arm.
Thomas Jefferson would kick you in the nuts.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
He knew that in the long run governments would become corrupt and the people would have to overthrow them. How does that happen if the people do not have guns.
Sure his "Revolution every 20 years" was probably a little pessimistic but the guy was the one of the best founding fathers.
>>700217743
Because if you ban guns, all of Hillary Clinton's security guards will be way easier to gun down by criminals who don't buy guns legally. Banning guns is just as effective as banning weed. Weed is illegal, does that mean no one has weed/smokes weed? Liberal anti-gun activists are just retarded and don't understand common sense.
>>700222719
When I was in I only ever met a few people who I could see backing the Feds
They are legal and always will be. Get the fuck over it already. Stop letting politicians use this as a tool to get their bases riled up. Stop pretending like you actually care about this issue.
>>700219313
Yea and alot of people are alive because they were able to defend themselves with firearms. Free people should be able to defend their lives with the most effective tool anything less and you are not affirmed in your own life. How are you free if your own life has not been affirmed?
I don't like guns as a rule, but I don't support banning them. It's too late for that, instead those with access should respect their privilege (not right) to have arms.
I lock my stuff away, don't escalate using them EVER and only carry a knife. More regulation is needed though, basically if you can't behave and abide by the "don't ask don't tell" policy then fuck off. If you're not inclined to use it as a kingmaker, to level a playing field and purely as a tool to improve or protect your existence I'm fine with it. Too many people use it as a dick extension doe, I don't have a solution to that but I certainly support guns having a place somewhere in society even if that believe makes me uneasy cause I also believe most people are fucking retarded.
>>700222890
>>700221974
Hello? Are you going to tell me that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were stupid fucks who also had to rewrite everything they did?
>>700223027
To satisfy the "militia" argument, wanna start a militia?
>>700221688
Wondering if you realize that the militia is us, we the people.
>>700221688
Wrong. 100%.
In that era a militia was literally a volunteer with no formal training, fighting of their own volition how they wanted, when they wanted, where they wanted, why they wanted and for as long as they wanted with no obligations.
Regulated meant standardly equipped, as in British Regular. Basically standard infantry load out. This was meant to scale with regards to the current official military.
Also in Madison's original address the right to be armed was first and foremost. The statement " a well regulated militia being essential to the security of a free state" was give as an after thought supporting argument for why. Again the militia literally was any person who decided to fight. I.e. the people.
So no. You are completely and unequivocally wrong.
Firearms are used in olympic events. They are used to defend ourselfs and others. Banning things doesnt make them go away. Murder is illegal, yet it still happens, with guns or without.
Ill keep my guns. Pic very related.
>>700223068
Well pay checks and lawsuits change a mans mind in time of treason
>>700223553
This. And the fact that people want to murder is the problem that liberals ignore. They are perfectly fine with murderers running around as long as they don't murder with a gun. Stupid.
>>700219443
The second amendment is crap from centuries ago when the most advanced fire arm could shoot one round every 10 minutes
>>700223561
Refusing to invade your own home and attack your own friends, family, neighbors is not treason.
>>700217743
I know this thread is just b8 but doesn't mean it doesn't bring up a good question.
America has more freedom then it's own people like to admit, and that's a good thing, we can speak our minds without fear unlike so many other countries if not just about all of them..Talk all the shit you want, but try doing it in public and see if you can still come back here and talk shit or wind up getting buttraped in prison for it..
The people have the right to arm themselves in just about any manner they would see fit. It is so if our country is invaded by an opposing nation/army, the people are able to form well armed militias. OR if the government turns tyrannical, and decides to start stripping the people of those rights and refuse to listen to protest by those citizens, they can defend themselves in the same manner against a government that no longer holds there best interests in mind.
It is not just for hunting
or personal protection
it is about defending our country, the freedoms that allow us speak freely without fear of imprisonment or prosecution.
and any fucking brainwashed cuck retard that thinks it's a good idea to disarm our citizens needs to get the fuck out.
>>700217743
Because government tyranny in the 20th century alone have been the cause of FAR more deaths then any war or mass killing all combined. Gun control does not remove all guns it just means only the government (patently untrustworthy) and determined criminals can get their hands on them ( We saw this in France twice). To disarm the public only serves to disarm those wishing to defend their lives. A pillar of John Locke's philosophy is that humans have a right to life that right is meaningless if you don't posses the means to defend that right and this is what our constitution was founded on. I don't care that it is 200 years old, government misconduct exists today and power still corrupts.
>>700223733
Please leave/never come to my country, you authoritarian statist fuck.
>>700223561
Well look at the level of corruption that has come to light recently, we swore an oath to the constitution not to the politicians
>>700223795
It is when you disobey direct orders (insubordination) and cause actions that put the union in jeopardy
>>700223733
Not true, and dumb logic. Using your logic freedom of speech and freedom of the press only applied to quill and ink. They did not envision telegraphs, radio, or facebook. Do yourself a favor and drop that line from your list of goto one liners that you use when you think you are dropping a bomb on a 2nd amendment convo.
>>700223553
I don't think banning guns is the answer, I more believe removing certain people from accessing is. Least then you leave the balance of power in the hands of people who aren't unfit to have weapons.
inb4 "I wear a fedora and it's ma right to own a gun"
>>700223817
This
>>700217743
>reeeee stop liking what I don't like.
But honestly, I don't even bother with guns. Hammers are way more deadly.
I know how to read statistics.
Theorycraftmasterninja right here.
>>700223817
Sure kid, if you're under 18 you got to leave the forum, global rules
>>700223924
You're dumb. Stop having opinions on this issue.
>>700223871
Well, better have a good mil lawyer, because they will try you ass for treason
>>700222476
>It's the fact that the term "well regulated" had a much different meaning at that time. It meant well trained and disciplined, period.
No it mean well armed
>>700222476
>I know exactly what our founding fathers meant. Also that means that what they said is law. But wait I want to change that law to say no guns.
>its not the guns fault.Its who is in charge of the gun
>>700221187
>hunt hugs
I've been hunting for years, Anon, with nothing gained.
>>700224043
Prove it wrong.
M8, you gotta understand the law.
Treason is a very simple concept, one you havent grasped
>>700221974
Waiting on a reply for
>>700222456
>>700222514
>>700222585
>>700222652
>>700222890
>>700223238
There is nothing you can say. Your silence is an admittance that you know you're wrong.
>>700223848
Sure kid
>>700221187
How about I hunt however the fuck I want to you stupid fuck?
>>700223833
>To disarm the public only serves to disarm those wishing to defend their lives. A pillar of John Locke's philosophy is that humans have a right to life that right is meaningless if you don't posses the means to defend that right and this is what our constitution was founded on.
fucking this
It can be agrued that there are flaws in the gun system and I will say I dont think flame throwers should be legal but if everyone had a gun then no one would shoot anyone unless they want to die
>>700223959
Sure kid
No valid argument exists for a solid answer, also,
Americans are brainwashed masterfully, which is making me totally respect the brainwasher
>>700223733
Not quite
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/founders/jefferson/thomas-jeffersons-assault-rifle-the-girardoni-air-rifle
>>700224171
That's great, but again good luck getting people to agree to invade and attack their own homes. You can pull dictionary.com definitions out of your ass all day, but the reality of it is people are not going to comply with that. And the reality of an armed populace is that we'll never get to that point anyway.
>>700224033
- says the 18 year old
Your post has zero substance to it. It's just an insult.
>>700224033
>Doesn't make an argument
>Attacks character with assumptions
>Faggot
>>700224303
WINRAR!!!!!!!!
>>700217743
They should. Rednecks would find something else to overcompensate for their little dicks (oversized trucks for instance) and a lot fewer mass shootings. These morons rely on a piece of paper that was written 225 years ago. I mean, come on. Btw no libtard here. Trump all the way (voting for someone doesn't mean you agree with them 100%)
>>700223817
Preach. Also, look at the mayor of London who is attacking freedom of speech by calling those critical of Islam racist islamaphobic and is trying to make it illegal to speak your mind on the subject, hell there are liberals in the U.S. That are saying that the first amendment is outdated and that it shouldn't apply anymore
Guns are legal and I want to own them. If you don't like it you can surely suck my dick.
>>700224294
How many crimes/homicides were caused by flamethrowers?
>>700224208
Says the kid.
>>700217743
>Why shouldn't guns be banned?
Because the next time the globalist bankers gin up a World War to get themselves out of a hole, you want a weapon to blow them to hell instead of some other anon just like yourself.
Know your (((enemy))). Visualize dead bankers.
>>700217743
the reason rich liberal yuppies want to ban guns is because there afraid of them we cant ban everything your afraid of that means we cant ban black people either
>>700224463
The whole fucking Constitution is outdated. It's literally two and a half centuries old. We don't live in the same world it was written for.
>>700224397
>>700224409
Hivemind
>>700224650
Which parts are outdated? The fact that it is old doesn't make it outdated.
>>700224053
Willingness and obedience to lawful orders if the orders aren't lawful you shouldn't follow them
>>700217743
A capitalist ruling class still exists
>>700224392
You seem to misunderstand friend. There is a carrot and the stick. The carrot being a paycheck, the stick being the harsh sentences for treason and insubordination. While some would desert and leave, the majority wont because of the above reasons. See how many people here shit on the various regions of their own country. We have had a civil war before, we can have one again with defined armies. Get out of the fantasy land, people do alot more cruel things for a lot less than a paycheck and the threat of jail time.
>>700218675
this si the biggest bullshit I have ever seen
the last thing I want is bunch of dumbass people waving guns and threatening people's lives
>>700224715
Freedom was a big deal back then because monarchy needed to go. But now it's time for the next great step forward and that is for freedom to give way to equality.
>>700224206
Yes yes. You're very smart. Don't rub it in their faces.
>>700224731
You voted for the laws to be made, thank my country for that, though, it is y/our fault
In case it becomes necessary to overthrow the government in the past, as it repeatedly has for other people throughout history.
To protect yourself and your family, since the police don't station someone in your home and can't respond quickly enough to prevent everything.
Because people should have the right to hunt if they want.
Because you shouldn't unnecessarily restrict the rights of law abiding citizens who don't pose an eminent threat to others.
Because life is inherently unsafe, and it's not worth giving up all the benefits just because some people are scared. You can't eliminate all risk, and have to carefully weigh risk reduction strategies.
>>700224650
Yet our country is one of the oldest in the world because of it. We have the best set of laws and freedoms in the US because of that document.
>>700224731
Ok? Doesnt mean you wont get tried, better hope you win. Otherwise, military black site.
The problem here is people think laws are just, they often are not
>>700224779
You're dumb.
>>700224770
>Willing exchange of goods and services
>"ruling"
>Government oversight of all resources strictly enforced by violent coercion
>somehow not ruling
>>700224816
Vague nonsense. Specific examples of what is outdated or stfu.
>>700224816
Seriously?
>>700224347
damn that gun is pretty cool
Meh, it once made sense when the government had relatively simple weapons in olden times but nowadays even with a gun your severely outmatched compared to what your average government can bring. It pretty much only serves to escalate things or get you killed by the police or scare people. It's unfortunate but true.
I love guns and I get people who just like to shoot as a hobby but people who claim they do it to keep some kind of power against oppression are naive. The people who claim self defense are also dangerous. No one is going to randomly approach you in the streets to take your life. They want your money which your better off just giving them rather then escalating by pulling a gun and possibly killing them or yourself.
Reminds me of those dildos who open carry and just generally go around upsetting and unsettling everyone around them. At least have the decency to conceal you fucking old, angry, autistic dipshits.
>>700224900
>still not disproving
Your dumb
>inb4 spelling
>>700224715
Thank you anon
>>700224938
>it's freedom because exploitation benefits me
Try leaving your gated community sometime
>>700224715
I'll bite, the right to bear arms in this case. I'm fine with guns being in the hands of citizens, but certain people should seriously not have guns. Making things so generalized and open to let fucksticks ruin that right is causing a lot of social friction and situations, I personally feel getting rid of some of the hardcore that have no clue would do more to further guns than restrict them but MURICANS don't see it that way.
>>700224650
>says constitution is outdated for being 200 years old
>tfw how old is Catholicism?
>tfw how old is islam?
>tfw how old is religious books?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
so we are able to just make this argument in debates now?
>"well your papers are outdated, therefore they are no longer true, therefore your religion no longer exists, nor do your scientific texts..."
well that certainly makes debating things easier doesn't it?
>doesn't make it valid though....
>>700224816
one of us one of us gooble gobble one of us.... typical SJW sheeple nonsense get rid of freedom. Great idea you fucking fascist how about we take your freedom first, in the name of equality?
>>700224816
This is the most disgusting thing I've ever read. Apparently freedom and equality are mutually exclusive?
This is the root of the liberal and democratic ideals. On paper their ideas are nice. But in practicality the only way they can be implemented is with the threat of force by the government. This is why they go hand in hand with anti gun rhetoric.
>>700225093
You do realize we have these regulations on the books right?
>>700224864
>Yet our country is one of the oldest in the world
American education hard at work.
>>700224859
You fucking retards need to drop the whole "we need guns in case we don't like the government!" What would that look like, you go out and shoot up as many politicians and police officers you can find?
>>700225093
What people shouldn't have guns that aren't already don't have that right revoked, such as felons?
>>700224650
The Constitution is not some 225 year old piece of paper. It has been constantly pored over, deliberated and modified.
>>700217743
To protect ourselves from the jigaboos who have illegally acquired guns
>inb4 "but they cant get de gunz when their banned!11!!!!"
Hah.
Selling all those guns pays the new security units available, but, whoo wants that, right(?) It's obvious most people living in places w/ legal gun permits are just "having fun", nine will say say the truth manly
Guns are necessary in the country. I wouldn't walk around in some areas of certain areas without something to protect me from the frigging moose in some states, alligators in some, frigging bears in others.
You don't need them in cities.
Once you make that distinction, you really see that you just need to ban certain kinds of guns. High capacity quick loading guns should be right out. I'd like to see someone try to go on a spree killing with a frigging old fashioned double barrel shotgun.
One shot, two shots, oops, gotta crack the barrel and remove the spent shells and then put new ones in, oh fuck someone just kicked my teeth into my asshole.
>>700225084
Actually I grew up in a trailer park and I've seen and interacted with the sickly degenerates that you call victims. These people put themselves in their poverty, and even with government assisting them at every turn they still can't take the initiative to improve their lives.
It's hardly exploitation when people willingly put themselves in shitty situations because they make terrible decisions.
>>700225292
>What would that look like, you go out and shoot up as many politicians and police officers you can find?
More like shoot the cops kicking down your door for buying a gun when it was legal and not turning it in when they declare it to be illegal years down the line.
>>700225322
Yet here we are. Our country is a shithole. Nice dubs though.
>>700225415
>Nine = none*
Those fucking gun nuts here in America are deluded as fuck when they're against ANY form of restriction.
You wouldnt give a car to someone without a license and some time practicing behind the wheel. and you sure as fuck shouldn't give a gun to any dildo who wants one. There should definitely be some basic background checks and some kind of mandatory teaching of basic muzzle/trigger discipline and the like. I've seen way too many people who are complete fucking dumbasses walking around with conceal carry hoping some nigger will fuck with him so he can kill him. That shits fucked up.
>>700224650
That's what Stalin believed as well, there were literally people like you praising how efficient communism was all throughout their political genocide. It's a perfect society right? No incorrect beliefs tolerated, no citizens armed, no unequal property ownership... oh and no private prisons.
>>700225226
The United States of America is over 200 hundred years old. How many other western countries have the longevity we do? Sure there are others, but not many. Thats my point. Instead of belittling me how about you get off your fucking high horse and refute me?
>>700225006
And how do they come and disarm us? they are forced to stack up door to door on MILLIONS of houses Nationwide. That alone is a massive deterrent. That would be a massively costly en devour. There are about 2 million military members and about 123 million gun owners. When push comes to shove maybe citizens wont win but it provides individuals the power to fight back and makes the ability to seize power MONUMENTALLY harder
>be american
>get shot
>>700225431
Doubt that would happen
>>700225394
Are you literally retarded? Learn to speak English before you use it.
>>700225394
>To protect ourselves from the jigaboos who have illegally acquired guns
Yeah, look at all the crime lords who have taken over Australia in the last ten years with all those illegal guns. Wait, they haven't? Well when's the last time some crazy white dude blew away half a dozen people who were trying to watch a movie over there?
Hmm.
I think you might be the exact opposite of on to something anon.
>>700225531
>I've seen way too many people
>conceal carry
>seen
>conceal
???
People always use the arguement "The founding father's never knew AR15s would exist they only made the ammendnent for black powder muzzleloaders." and I call bulksgit in that.
The Musket was the at-the-time equivalent gun. It was a weapon to defend yourself, a hunt for food and fight against your oppressors.
The AR15can be used for all of those. (though some stated ban semi-automatic hunting. California Ironically I think doesn't have laws against that.)
Back in their day they had all sorts of weapons.
Muskets were just the Most popular.
Pistols were faster to load and many gunmen packed a couple of then to fire faster.
Black powder rifles had ruffled barrels and were slower to load but had accuracy that made them great for sharpshooters in the war for independence.
Double barrels have been a thing for years back then. Popular among people who hunted and wagon riders for it's ability to have a second fast return shot.
People also claim the blunderbuss and that one fast air rifle are also proof but it's just adding to the fact that it's all about the age-equivalent arms.
And seriously George Washington would cream himself of he could get an AR15 and 3 mags to fight the brits.
>>700225531
>doesnt realize we already have these background checks
The only way, only way to get a firearm without a background check is p2p sale
Countless gun control threads over the years, thousands upon thousands of furious libcuck and eurotard replies. All have had ZERO effect on my ability to own guns. I own many already, and I can go buy more today if I feel like it - because I'm a free and law abiding citizen. Get. Fucking. Mad.
>>700217743
>implying zip guns would proliferate
>implying only banned for private citizens
Feinstein pls go
>>700225431
Majority of mass killings are done with pistols, you cant possibly be adovcating the be banned as well
>>700225616
>Well when's the last time some crazy white dude blew away half a dozen people who were trying to watch a movie over there?
4 years
When's the last time 80 people were murdered by a Muslim celebrating a national holiday in the street?
>>700225531
>Those fucking gun nuts here in America are deluded as fuck when they're against ANY form of restriction.
That's a small number of people. Most "gun nuts" simply believe that we have more than enough gun control in place already, and that further gun control is just a slow moving attempt to make owning a gun increasingly hard to do for them, the regular law abiding citizen.
>>700225311
People who when applying to own a weapon don't have a valid reason to own a gun outside of "my neighbor called me a cuck", I mean I see that shit and can't even begin to understand how it's their right to bear arms even if the reason to have those arms is so stupid. Can't fix or find all stupid but the literal dumbest fuckers out there still can gun tote.
>>700225204
Oh I know, it's just there needs to be far better management and consistency with it. Shit isn't open to interpretation and manipulation by those pushing it as a right, privilege is a better term. Proceed from there.
>>700225665
i shoot, i know them personally, i know they conceal carry.
>>700225477
Um. This is literally why the amendment exists. It could look something like the American Revolution. They had just violently overthrown their government, that's why they enshrined our ability to do it again in the bill of rights.
>>700225599
I wish I could legally sell guns to Americans, though, it is ethically disturbing
Many forget that firearms are ingrained into merican DNA it was the tool used in obtaining our freedom it has been the tool for protecting our freedom, it is the reason our government hasnt completely dived into corruption
>>700225703
>expecting people advocating for banning more guns to understand the base foundation of the law surrounding guns
I introduce to you the Luty.
Its a submachinegun that you can make in many calibers from stuff that you could salvage or find at a hardwear store.
All you need is a metal file, a still press and alittle bit of time.
>>700225616
The frequency AND lethality of mass killings saw NO change before and after the ban. Sorry but your perfect little world doesnt exsist past your deliusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
>>700225840
>by those pushing it as a right
The right to keep and bear arms is protected by the US constitution.
Get fucked. The people you're arguing against wrote the US constitution, founded the country, and ruled it for decades,
>>700225893
> obtaining freedom
You mean committing genocide against the natives
>>700225966
*drill press
Bonus pic.
A home made shotgun.
>>700225703
>p2p sale
well if you are talking about a legal person to person sale of firearms
then no you still technically need a background check...you need to record their fire arm owners identification number and details, which require a background check to get, and need to save that information for i think like 10 years, receipt of trade all that shit...so technically still need a bgcheck for p2p sale if talking legal route
otherwise it's considered an illegal trade of firearms..
This is how dumb you sound.
>What do you need a gladius for, Romanfats?
>If your house gets robbed, just call the lictor's guild or use your scutum to fend off the attack.
>No Roman citizen actually needs a gladius. >If push came to shove, what, are you and your untrained barbarian slaves going to defeat 10 legions by yourselves?
What next, should you have the right to own a ballista? No Roman citizen should need more than a pugio to defend himself in his home. You're just overcompensating for your short stature and plebian birth.
>>700225725
>Majority of mass killings are done with pistols, you cant possibly be adovcating the be banned as well
Why not? Semi-automatics, that take magazines at the least of course. Let them have revolvers and make quick-loaders illegal. I want you to have to sit there and manually take out each spent round and manually put one in.
Hell. The point is to slow those crazy assholes down, and give people a chance to get the fuck out, not stop people from protecting themselves from nature. And don't talk about trying to protect yourself from the government. They have drones that none of your conventional weapons can even hit even if you could see them coming.
>>700225840
Well it is a right, so...
>better management and consistency
Like how? What system is better than the current one? And i swear to god if you use that goddamn gunshow loophole meme, im gonna find you and stick a knife in your pee hole.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/the-gun-show-loophole-myth/
>>700226014
we solved mass shootings in Australia by letting people turn to mass arson
Australia is so peaceful!
>>700226014
Sorry but the link you provided doesn't seem to provide shit all info on per capita data or account for anything. It's just a list, que?
>>700226148
>And don't talk about trying to protect yourself from the government. They have drones that none of your conventional weapons can even hit even if you could see them coming.
The point is that with an armed population we will never reach the point where the government is sending drones on us. God you fucking faggots are retarded.
>>700226130
Hello fellow illinois citizen.
This doesnt apply in other states
>>700225807
>When's the last time 80 people were murdered by a Muslim celebrating a national holiday in the street?
I think you're looking for the "ban muslims and scary brown people" thread It's in /pol/. In America it ain't brown people you gotta worry about. It's nerdy looking virgins from 4chan.
>>700226135
Ok, that was good, dude, use this for a video on YouTube or something, though, escape the subject
Guns don't need to be banned.
Look, I don't want to ban cars.
I just realize that most people need to take a test, get insurance, and show minimal responsibility before they can drive one.
If we required the same kind of testing and licensing for guns that we require for cars, gun idiots would go through the roof. Sure, you can buy a car from anyone, but to drive one off the lot you have to have proof of insurance for that car and a valid license.
So why don't we just apply the same licensing requirements to guns? It's no hardship, and the only reason gunfags would cry is because muh guns
>>700226111
Don't act like Americans are the only people todo so, the Spanish did so as well
>>700226111
The natives were killed EN MASS not by the government but by their lack of immunity to European diseases. If it was genocide they wouldnt exist anymore
>>700225478
You think the USA is a shithole? I'm guessing you're joking.
>>700226148
That isnt how revolvers work, unless it is a cowboy pistol
>>700226130
No US law requires a background check for a private individual selling a gun to another private individual.
The Brady Background Check System law was passed SPECIFICALLY because it EXPLICITLY permitted private sales in this manner.
This is why people are against more fucking gun laws. We already passed dozens in the fucking past, in the name of "compromise," and the protections gun owners got out of these laws while giving up some freedom, these gun grabbers want to legislate our COMPROMISES away.
Gun control is a one-way street with no compromises.
>>700226130
Not in Kansas
Because it is a basic human right that all children, criminals and the mentally unstable should have access to assault weapons for self defence and to defend their home and country.
Because it thins out the minority population.
>>700226432
Topkek
>>700225840
>People need to state an arbitrary reason to own a firearm that they can easily falsify
This is why me and so many other Americans are so against any forms of gun control. They are always made by people who don't know the first thing about firearms and their regulations, yet speak as if they are professionals on the subject. Not once do they stop to think that their laws are nonsensical and unenforceable.
>>700217743
because ima like ta shoot dem skirrls after i bang mah sister! you cannot take away my constitional right for me ta have a gun, sir!
>>700226325
>30,000 people die from drunk driving a year
>Despite every fucking driving test saying "don't drink and drive"
>Despite less than 1000 deaths a year from accidental gun discharges
Yeah, sure buddy, if we just make people sit through a class, they're sure not to do something stupid like drink and drive.
>>700226325
Cars arent a right
>>700226331
I don't subscribe to the hero worship. they're not infallible and a lot of their stances were downright retarded. "Jefferson said it" should not trump rational thinking.
>>700217743
Because banning something because of the actions of the minority isn't logical when it's been proven that the majority doesn't adhere to or approve of the actions of said minority.
You would have to assume that the majority is going to perpetrate similar crimes, and the data to support such a claim just isn't there since the majority of gun owners are completely sane people who use firearms for recreational purposes and not to commit crimes.
The real issue lies within the perpetrators of crimes carried out using firearms I.E the minority. In the long run one can often only punish those for committing crimes, and not prevent them with a simple ban, as people hope to accomplish.
>>700226014
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
lol. You know, if I talley up all the victims of gasoline and sticks in Aus on your little list over the last twenty years I might almost reach the number of Americans killed by guns literally today.
Holy shit. The gun delusion is real with you guys, isn't it?
>>700226148
Because its not complcated technology you dingus, we have had semi auto rifles and pistols for decades, have they suddenly become more dangerous? Do you forget about the texas uni shooting in which the guy used a bolt action rifle and killed 16 people? You ban something people will just modify their attack. Again all you do is leave law abiding citizens defenseless. Australia banned guns and mass killings didnt stop nor did they decrease in lethality. Murder didnt drop nor did violent crimes. You dont make society safer by removing guns you just make criminals safer.
>>700217743
they shoud b band be cause guns scare me and make me feel not safe.
>>700226148
>and don't talk about protecting yourself from the government, they are far better armed so you should give up before it even comes to that
yeah sure, why not just be a country of pussies, that sure seems to go great for the rest of the world
>tfw you're a beta cuck who would gladly suck a stronger dudes dick if it meant you didn't get hurt faggot
>>700226157
Lolmad, look I'm not some evil lefty. I have guns, I just think not every cunt should have them. I don't care who ruled or didn't rule, it's more about keeping shit stable for your average dude who SHOULD have that right while telling weirdo wackjobs to go suck a dick.
>>700226073
I didn't say I had a solution, I'm open to being shown a better way to do it. I'm just of the belief there is a much better way that current, no intent beyond that broskie. Stuff will always slip through and I know that, I would however like to feel comfortable that if I meet a fellow owner they are of sane mind, have a positive outlook on owning and all that good stuff; not just "I have guns cuz mah right". Acceptable logic?
>>700226709
Look at the difference in population
>>700226756
Yeah, like a guy could kill 16 people on one day without a gun, he would be knifed*
>>700226256
That was just a link to the mass killings. Here is a link to homicides. As you can see the trend in homicides has not changed and actually has been decreasing long before the gun ban. There was nothing substantial that can be closely related to the confiscation of firearms. In other words, it did nothing.
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
>>700226636
The declaration of independence and the Constitution were both written with "rational thinking." Or are you the one that gets to arbitrarily cherry pick what's "rational?"
>>700226848
And how do you purpose to keep wackos from getting the guns, when the current laws already to this? What more can be applied?
>>700217743
History lesson never to be repeated again.
1. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves against their ethnic-cleansing government, were arrested and exterminated.
2. In 1929, the former Soviet Union established gun control as a means of controlling the “more difficult” of their citizens. From 1929 to the death of Stalin, 40 million Soviets met an untimely end at the hand of various governmental agencies as they were arrested and exterminated.
3. After the rise of the Nazi’s, Germany established their version of gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves against the “Brown Shirts”, were arrested and exterminated. Interestingly, the Brown Shirts were eventually targeted for extermination themselves following their blind acts of allegiance to Hitler. Any American military and police would be wise to grasp the historical significance of the Brown Shirts’ fate.
4. After Communist China established gun control in 1935, an estimated 50 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves against their fascist leaders, were arrested and exterminated.
5. Closer to home, Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayans, unable to defend themselves against their ruthless dictatorship, were arrested and exterminated.
6. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves from their dictatorial government, were arrested and exterminated
7. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million of the “educated” people, unable to defend themselves against their fascist government, were arrested and exterminated.
8. In 1994, Rwanda disarmed the Tutsi people and being unable to defend themselves from their totalitarian government, nearly one million were summarily executed
>>700226848
>. I'm just of the belief there is a much better way that current
Gun crime is DOWN AND DROPPING. The people pushing for gun control played Sandy Hook coverage on the news 24/7 for 6 months after it fucking happened.
The news is a propaganda machine to make people scared of guns, despite the fact that every passing year you are more safe from gun violence.
The problem is fixing itself.
>>700226262
>The point is that with an armed population we will never reach the point where the government is sending drones on us.
Look at all the AK-47s and shit in Iraq. How well did that protect them from the US government? Well?
>>700226362
>That isnt how revolvers work
If you ban the stuff that doesn't work like that, then yeah. That's exactly how they would work. The best safety tools are often the ones that make people slow down. Slower as far as weapons go is better for all the people your dipshits are trying to fucking murder.
>>700226636
It's not hero worship you faggot they're the ones who laid the groundwork of the country you're living in; which apparently isn't good enough for you.
>>700226135
>ad latinum
>>700226269
thanks killinois bro
gotchya, well then i retract my previous statement
cheers
>>700227177
Nice dubs my dude
>>700226709
>Holy shit. The gun delusion is real with you guys, isn't it?
Wow arent you special cunt arent you? Cant really understand the concept of forecasting. NOTHING CHANGED, with guns or without guns NOTHING FUCKING CHANGED. Is that to complicated a subject for you or are you intentionally subverting the truth to suit your beliefs?
>>700227107
So what happens if im a gun manufacturer and i follow the shit down to the T, and still make a weapon that is dangerous, but does not violate all the rules? What then?
It is like banning fucking K2
>>700227272
Yep our state sucks. And also, noone listens to that law lol
>>700226995
I can only speak for myself when i decide what's "rational" but i sure as hell know that its retarded to believe in something or someone blindly. The founding father made plenty of bad calls like everyone else and some of them were downright cunty.
>>700220593
>BMV of guns
I like this idea. Public sector though, I'm not an anti government or conspiracy theorist, but I'm all for preventing abuse of power. having it government ran gives the option of knee jerk government legislation that would be implemented through their ownership.
>>700225564
>be human
>get shot
>>700227286
Your pussy smells badly, vagisil
>>700227430
fathers**
"The Founding Father" in singular sounds pretty ominous
>>700217743
Because they're fun
>>700226948
Right...... you were saying?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Yanming
>>700225616
Comparing the United States to any other country when discussing domestic firearms is a monumentally retarded.
It's estimated that there are more firearms than PEOPLE in the United States. The fact that you or anyone can think that they can in any meaningful control/regulate all those firearms are naive at best, but most likely clinically retarded.
>>700217743
Because they're cool
>>700226277
Not a fan of how that anon brought up religion, but you're making yourself ignorant if you don't look into that
>>700227107
>If you ban the stuff that doesn't work like that, then yeah. That's exactly how they would work. The best safety tools are often the ones that make people slow down. Slower as far as weapons go is better for all the people your dipshits are trying to fucking murder.
Some sand niggers in the middle of nowhere being compared to 300million americans.... yea totally not a false equivalence there
>>700227578
Dude, killing disabled, that's dirty, give me more for a better argument
>>700227631
Very possibly true I have 4 guns and number of occupants in my household is 1
Luckily, no one is coming after my pump action shotgun.
It will effectively fucking destroy anyone who tries to come in my home uninvited. Thank you based Latvia for Hexolit32 12 gauge steel expanding slugs.
>>700226756
>Because its not complcated technology you dingus
Seatbelts aren't complicated technology either. It took a few decades of constant enforcement and now only complete assholes drive without wearing one and we kill thousands of fewer people on our roads every year because of it. You dingus. lol
>have they suddenly become more dangerous
It's not the technology, it's the crazy assholes. Your gun associates are walking into movie theaters and mowing people down. It;s you guys who are forcing us to fix your shit.
>Australia banned guns and mass killings didnt stop nor did they decrease in lethality.
Which you prove by showing a list of arson victims. You know, I can jump out a frigging window, I can't jump faster than a bullet. I do want to make it harder for crazy assholes to kill people. I want to give people a fighting chance.
But you guys are so caught up in your delusions of fighting off an apache with your pistol that you refuse to let adults try to fix this. Fucking children ruin everything.
>>700227785
Are you saying that the disabled don't count because they aren't people in your eyes?
That pretty convenient you amoral jackass.
>>700227506
>Your pussy smells badly, vagisil
Glad to see you have nothing intelligent left to say. Clearly I have proved my point beyond your intellectual capabilities to respond. I'll take my medal now. Into the corner with you
>>700227048
>Screencap'd
Oh it will be repeated again anon.
it
will
be
>>700226325
Why do we HAVE to have insurance to drive a car?
>>700217743
Because they don't need to be :)>>700217743
>>700227785
>is shown how a man killed a couple dozen with a knife
>hurr they disabled
>continues to use sandy hook
>>700227430
Like what?
And it's not blind belief which is why we have, what, 27 amendments that add to our freedoms and laws?
>>700227785
>gives valid examples
>killing people that can't defend themselves doesn't sit well with me, give me a differently example.
people with guns and bombs attack soft targets for a reason you dumb faggot. it's a perfectly valid argument.