Why don't 2nd Amendment fags revolt over not being able to easily buy fully automatic weapons?
Because we aren't idiots like most people claim we are.
>>699791630
because they actually read the 2nd ammendment
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
>well regulated
>>699791922
check em
>>699791922
>well regulated
>disarmed
what universe do you live?
>>699792084
the universe where the government hasent tried to disarm us yet idiot
There's a difference between something being regulated and something being banned. We have the right to bear arms, not a right to easy access of arms.
>>699792232
>yet
-hughes amendment
-awb
-sbrs
-aows
-nics
what are you going on about?
>>699791630
Because we're generally responsible sound-minded people, unlike most liberals I encounter online and off.
>>699792495
what the fuck are you going on about you're speaking gibberish you daft piece of shit
>>699792032
Tiny hands
>>699792431
denial of the means is the denial of the right, you're wrong
>>699792698
I digress, everyone check out this cunt
>>699791630
Because they don't have automatic weapons ... ?
>>699792713
you know what the means
>>699792775
>>699792898
>>699792495
>>699792084
Troll harder, friend
>>699792084
>not having automatic weapons leaves me vulnerable
>muh freedoms
>>699792084
WELL REGAULATED
>>699792898
>relizes hes retarded
>resorts to petty insults
>>699793206
the universe governed by alex jones
>>699793317
now im not bashing the gay frogs
>>699793209
How often do you guys meet and do some training?
>>699793417
twice a week for me
Because we can afford the $200 tax and can pass a background check.
Ill take my auto off the first dead body i see
>>699793205
>>699793247
literally no rebuttal
>>699792431
>be white
>go to gun show in Alabama
>buy 9000 AR15's "for your collection"
>sell to Mexican cartels
>claim arms are being smuggled in by Mexico
>>699793657
how do i rebuttal
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you try rebutting that
>>699793491
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>699793482
What standards do you uphold or is this a free styling kinda thing?
Who are you regulated by?
>>699793737
stop giving away my business model
Ill nust take yours. Easy peasy
>>699793894
*clap* *clap*
spelling king here everyone
>>699793775
>has basic opinion
>presented with existing laws and regulation
>wont research existing laws and regulation
>lol dissenting opinion
>look at me, I won
wow
Because we can actually own full auto weapons...
>>699794038
Sorry about that . the lessons your mom gave me never went that far
>>699794123
You forgot to claim someone was "cucked" by the "liberal media" after being presented with a source that isn't related to the media.
>>699794123
>going this retarded
>>699794274
so hows school kid
>>699794284
I want this as a shirt so badly
>>699794123
You have got to be the worst troll I've ever seen
Well done 10/10
>>699791630
i wont revolt because i own 2, best investment you can make
>>699791630
Gun violence is a fundamental issue facing America which Donald Trump chooses to ignore. To Trump, our children are expendable.
>>699794433
are children be killed isn't a gun issue its a mental health issue
>>699794374
Better now that ur mom sucks my cock
1 bullet can kill a man with a good shot, disable him with an average shot, and scare him with a bad shot. Automatics aren't needed, until they're pulled on us, then I'll start revolting.
>>699794537
>consider the following
Someone post the Aussies version
>>699791922
"well regulated' means the modern equivalent of well trained or maintained not like regulations as in laws. It was a common term back then to mean run properly.
>>699794616
mfw i realized we're talking about full autos and not assault rifles
>>699794703
did not know thank you for the info
>>699791630
OP check out below link. Anyone who actually cares can make full auto weapons if they care to.
http://www.slidefire.com/
>>699794621
Your projecting your feelings onto me. I cant help that ur dad fucked u like ur sister . ill pray for u . not
>>699791630
>noveske
>cheapo magpul rear sight
that's a chainsaw, isn;'t it?
>>699793737
That was the government, remember? Fast and Furious? http://www.latimes.com/nation/atf-fast-furious-sg-storygallery.html
>>699794978
>>699794292
>>699794313
>>699794419
>jtrig or equivalent
>>699795057
Thats right u libral fuck. walk on home boy
>>699791630
Even if they had miniguns the government has drones and tech to kill all of them if they chose.
>>699795301
so im a libral now didn't know that
>>699795394
worked great in the middle east, huh?
>>699795301
Damn
>>699795538
>>699795394
samefagging this hard arent you
>>699795481
Yeah you liberated your dads cock ,son.
>>699794703
Taken from:
https://books.google.com/books?id=bXsCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PT7#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>699795735
so much 12 year old
so much cringe
>>699795697
Nope two diff people
>>699795848
its not good to lie
>>699795817
There u go again . thinking other people share your feelings. Just do it fag.
>>699796099
what a waste of dubs
>>699795799
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.
But go right ahead and list all those government regulations about sun dials and clocks.
>>699794433
THINK OF THE CHILDREN is not a valid argument.
>>699796150
Yep thats what ur mom said after she caught u with your dad . eunich
>>699791922
Amendment was referencing muskets and cannons. Not assault rifles for the general, college drop out populace.
I build machine guns for a living. It isnt that big of a difference. A good marksman doesnt need full auto. Besides a hop skip and a jump and you are full auto.
>>699796712
guns kill kids
>>699796712
Amendment was referencing the populace having the same stuff that the governments would use to oppress an unarmed populace. If the founders wanted the people to have much shittier weapons than the government, they'd never have written the 2nd amendment and would have instead said "knives are okay but that's it" or some shit.
>>699791630
Because the majority of us are more reasonable than liberal fags would like to believe.
>>699797335
you are correct sir
>>699797297
This tbh.
>>699792032
so THAT's why everyone here likes trump. Fuck the US I'm moving away if you braindead cucks actually let him win access to our military.
>>699796712
Nope
In order for a militia to be effective it must have access to military grade gear. "Well regulated" meant well equipped back in the 1700's.
>>699797297
>inanimate objects are responsible for things
Okay.
>>699797617
Can you move regardless? You kinda sound like a faggot.
>>699796712
>>699797335
Muskets were what the Government had at the time. Now they use the M-4 which is basically the M-16. And its just like my AR-15. The forefathers knew that people had to be able to resist a bad government (just like they did)
Not that big a hassle in Amerifat. Fill out a form, pay $200, and you, too can have a crowd killer.
>>699796495
"We just wanna have common sense legislation so our children are safe. You say shit like that, and then people will buy into it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=277Ic2AlFqM
>>699797826
If our forefathers knew that eventually their words would breed a culture of mass shootings, they would've never written that amendment in the first place.
>>699798043
>crowd killer
> 2016
> not using 3d printers to make thousands of untraceable ghost guns
> why even live
>>699797667
No, well regulated meant "calibrated properly" in the parlance of their times.
In order for a militia to be effective, a militia must exist for a specific cause to be effective against. A militia =/= every household has a gun "just in case".
>>699798196
our forefathers mass-murdered their english brothers with artillery and then genocided the indians
>>699798043
>a crowd killer.
Must be why all rifles combined still are used in less murders than knives, punching, kicking, blunt objects, shotguns, and handguns.
>Ban "assault rifles", even though we can't define what they are!!!! I don't care if they are literally the least used type of weapon for murder, even below hands and feet. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!
Sauce on pic: The FBI
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
>>699798272
should ban high-capacity box trucks. figured Oklahoma City would have woken up everyone to their dangers but they just keep killing innocent people. enough is enough.
>>699798407
>What is title 10 usc 311
Every household with an able bodied male 17-45 is legally obliged to
>>699798383
>>699798484
R these dubs or these?
ITT
>>699798857
>Cops are trigger happy maniacs who kill innocent black men. Black lives matter!
>Only cops should have guns
>>699798980
no u
>>699792431
Well regulated in 18th century terminology meant to be in good working order and trained. Anyone who says "Duhhhh, the foundin' furthers knew waz they were talkin' 'bout when they wanted weapons to be regulated" Have no fucking clue what the true meaning of that line is. I"m so glad that after Trump did his 2nd amendment speech CNN dissected the terminology of the 2nd amendment and actually put the true meaning in it.
>>699798857
sick memes bro!
>>699793832
Regulation in this sense does not mean regulated by a governing body. It just means in good condition and training.
>>699799197
>>699798857
>>699798196
Actually crime is down. Granted this is from 2013 but the numbers are down. It makes the news because it's rare and (exciting) How many of your mass murders are committed by Muslims?? Or doesn't motive count?
>>699791630
1. Revolts are hard, and usually break stuff.
2. "Well regulated militia" gun regulation is constitutional, the question is if regulating automatic firearms makes the country safer, and short answer is "kindove"
In a actual military conflict semi automatic rifles are a lot more of a threat in the type of guerrilla conflict that would result from small scale revolts, or invasion. People don't really like to say this, but you usually want automatic fire to do the more nasty war stuff we don't like to talk about, like clearing buildings, and everything in them, or suppressing large groups of poorly armed individuals. They are a useful option, if you are speaking purely from a functional standpoint, but most people end up not going fully automatic even if they have the capabilities.
>>699794268
For the low low low price of a full luxury sedan, a 6-18 month wait period, and the stipulation that any automatic weapons cannot have been manufactured after 1986. Fuck man that was 30 years ago.
>>699791630
because they'd be put down like the stupid dogs they are
>>699799627
Depends on your state, but yeah. I agree with you that there is a lot of red tape that is excessive, and not practical. Welcome to bureaucracy, vote for extremist canidates.
>>699799627
On guns like the M-16 only the lower receiver counts as the actual gun. It will last virtually forever considering it has no real wear and tear and aluminum doesn't rust.
You can buy a 1980 full auto M-16 lower and fill it up with full auto parts made last week.
>>699794433
No, gun violence has been going down since the tight stance on ownership was lifted in the early 2000's. It's just getting way too much coverage, which makes N33T kids think they can get some sort of celebrity status by going out from a mass shooting. Any mass shooting that takes place takes place in a location where no one is able to provide their own protection.
Then lets move onto intercity violence. A group of people told that its the white man that's holding them back, by rich white men, who's older generation tells people that bettering themselves is working for that white man, thus holding back the population from increasing their standing. Blacks holding back blacks because they were told since they're black whites hold them back and thus continue to vote for whites who keep the blacks held back in order to maintain political power over them.
>>699798484
And that happened what, 200 years ago now?
>lets continue to live by the standards they lived by 2 centuries ago
>fuck all the progress made since then
>>699796495
I second that.
>>699794433
Violence in general has been on a downward trend for decades. Almost all crime stats have dropped 50% or so in 30 years.
The assault weapons ban in the late 90's and early 2000's did not accelerate the decrease in violence. And the violence continued to decrease after "assault weapons" were allowed again.
Gun violence continues to drop today
see pic in >>699798573
despite several years in a row of record gun sales during Obama's presidency.
If less guns = less murder, why did the assault weapons ban not reduce murder any more that it has declines with assault weapons?
Why are gun deaths continuing to decrease despite more gun sales?
>>699798627
>The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Or in other words--- The "militia" is our fucking military. You fucking autist.
>>699799525
Crime has been on the rise this year in inner cities from what I've read. Mostly because law enforcement entities have been neutered in some locations thanks to idiots thinking cops shouldn't have the right to defend their own lives.
>>699800506
>progress made since then
please see:
>>699799505
>>699799525
Yeah, you're right. Crimes down because we all have guns, not because times are indeed progressing towards diplomatic resolutions vs brute strength.
>posts statistics of gun related deaths
>guns aren't the problem
>the motives of the person holding the guns are the problem
>taking guns away will not affect any of the gun related statistics whatsoever
>even though it literally has done that in every country thats banned guns
>>699799547
That and its a waste of ammunition to go full auto. Only reason people these days think a semi-automatic is weaker than a full auto is call of duty kids. In the name of balance weapon damage is used, when in fact as long as an unshielded portion of a central area of a person's body is struck, it'll normally take them out of the fight. In video games, this doesn't happen. You just lose a portion of your health pool and still function at 100% capability (or maybe a little screen blur to simulate "suppression.")
>>699800682
HOLY SHIT, you have to be paid, there's no way you're this retarded
Title 10 USC 311:
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
>If you're an able bodied male age 17-45 you are legally classified unorganized militia
>>699800657
>>699794433
Also, why does more guns = less murder when all industrialized nations in the world are considered?
See the best fit trend line in my pic? See how the slope of that black line is negative? More guns, on average worldwide, means lower murder rate.
Yes there are countries with no guns and low murder. But the countries with no guns and high murder more than cancel them out.
>INB4 somebody cherry picks single European nations as examples
That's not how statistics work. I chose the largest possible sample size, all industrialized nations in the world.
Sauce:
http://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/
The Assault weapons ban didn't lower murder rates any more than they were dropping already
The expiration of the assault weapons ban did not result in increased murders
Record gun sales have resulted in the lowest gun violence yet seen in the past 40 years
UN data shows that more guns = less murder across all industrialized nations.
>>699800953
In fact the safest period of time recorded in the US was during the "wild west" when anyone with a brain had a working firearm within hands reach. No one but big organized crime did anything because they knew they'd have to risk their life.
>>699799505
>>699800777
See a list of statistics from WWII era political turmoil?
>Tutsi in 1994 is the most recent statistic
>an entire continent thats been in constant conflict, armed or not, for the last 500 years
All that chart proves is that you know how to cherry pick your examples, from times when the ENTIRE WORLD was at each others throats. Decades ago, to boot.
>we're not in WWIII right now, we've PROGRESSED past those methods
>>699799989
Yeah my state specifically states no individual person can own a fully automatic firearm. If you do buy one it has to be permanently disarmed. Now the way to get around it is to put the firearm under a company's name. People do do that and we have a few auto weapon shoots throughout the year held by companies.
>>699794703
by which the amendment as a whole meant that no citizen should be denied from joining a well regulated militia and serving in it (that is what to bear arms means) it did not mean to own weapons (this is documented, and in the original draft of the amendment it had a provision that no one should be forced to bear arms if they objected for religious grounds - this was taken out because they did not want to privilege religion.
>>699800106
Yeah I know, however a full auto reciever is going to run about $10,000 or $15,000.
>>699796523
Did you hear of this place on facebook and 9gag? Well, you've seen it now, time to go back to 9gag, summer is almost over. hehe, get lost summerfag, and remember, don't come back.
because to any real enthusiast semi/full auto doenst matter, if you're a gun nut you can convert any semi auto to full auto, right in your own home. banning full auto weapons only hurts the mentally retarded people who plan on shooting shit up.
>>699795534
difference there is when you kill a radical islamist there are more that step up thinking they will go to heaven. when you kill a dumb redneck you run out of them pretty fast because even the really dumb ones work out that dying is permanent and not worth it just for muh guns, pop. .
>>699800131
Tell that to the parents who lost their children in Sandy Hook. Some times, caring and compassion is the answer. Your statistics are a weak argument in the face of that magnitude of grief and loss. Not that I'd expect autistic people to understand
>>699801172
>safest period was a time where civilians were shot in the crossfire of the anarchy that was shoot outs between law enforcement and criminals
So you're basically saying that we should REGRESS back to a time where each individual took the law into their own hands, and shot each other over who fucked who or who called who a name?
>>699791630
>not being able to easily buy fully automatic weapons
See, that's where you're wrong. As long as you're 18 and have ID you can go into a gun store and buy every piece of any gun with the exception of the receiver. This is what legally makes a gun a gun. You can buy an 80% finished one online. I bought a polymer one and finished it in mt garage. I have a totally untraceable AR-15 and no license. It's legal as long as I don't sell it or give it away. Stay mad you retarded cuck.
>>699791630
Just buy heavy military equipment and bury it in the desert for when the terminators come to stop you from been born trust me.
>>699801810
>totally ignores the fact that murder rates were super low
>pretends people killed each other left and right over nothing
Way to pull shit straight out of your gaping asshole
>>699797667
so all gun owners should be part of the militia then? trained regularly and under military discipline, and should be able to produce their guns for inspection at all times, to make sure thay are fit for purpose.
good, when are all those anti gubbiment boys going to join up and serve their country, instead of shit talking treason and sedition then?
>>699801694
That's why I mentioned the part about locations where people are unable to defend themselves. Fuck me man, if only a quarter if the teachers in Sandy Hook were card carrying concealed permit holders, they would have reduced those killings to probably nil. In actuality the shooting wouldn't have taken place because it would have no longer been a defenseless zone.
I feel sorry for the loss of life, and the stupidity that caused it. The greed of the killer and the "protection" the state offer by denying protection in places. Its just fact, places where guns are banned are targets of people who don't obey the rules.
>>699802178
Nice try faggot. Trying to use militia as an excuse to register and justify confiscation of guns.
Go fuck yourself.
The 2nd amendment is there to protect the other amendments from statist fucks like yourself.
>>699798613
but imagine if he had easy access to guns what he could have done. he used a van because he did not have easy access to the mass murder weapons america lets any mad man buy. how many more would he have killed if he had got out with a high capacity magazine and let rip?
fuck off you idiot inhuman shit poster.
>>699802053
>fact that murder rates were lower
>according to the many statistics and sources you provided
>according to your CLAIMS that it was indeed lower
Way to pull shit straight out of your gaping asshole.
>>699802493
The 2nd amendment was written to protect the militias DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR.
Not to protect some redneck who shot up an entire elementary school full of our children.
>>699802267
Adding more guns won't bring those children back you sperglord. It's the duty of every sensible person to keep these weapons out of the wrong hands so a loss like this can never happen again in our civilized country. That is why, like millions of hard working Americans, Hillary Clinton stands firm in her moral stance on gun control, resisting the corrupt influence of the criminal gun lobby. Hillary stands with victims, rather than invalidating and minimizing their loss through twisted, out of context statistics
>>699801810
Look at today. Do you not think people are trying to take law into their own hands at times. Look at that shit in milwaukee. A gun man was shot for not lower his weapon at the request of the police. Some jackass says "They should have just tazed him!" Since when did police officers have to give up their right to self protection in order to satisfy thieves and murderers? Then you got the race war started in the streets over that shit. Is that not "people taking the law into their own hands?"
A lawful citizen carrying a weapon doesn't take the law into their hands. They protect others from criminals why deem themselves above the law. In my state you have to take a training course to get a concealed permit, which includes an accuracy test as well as tests over when you should deploy your weapon.
>>699799484
But you have to have some standard of training, ergo - you need regulated by an official body.
>>699798627
>10 usc 311
no read it again. the organised (ie, well regulated) militia consists of men or women who are members of the national guard
unorganised militia is not well regulated, and have no right to bear arms.
>>699802546
The truck killed more people than any single gunman has killed in a mass shooting in world history.
The worst single gunman mass shooting is Anders Breivik in Norway at 69 with a gun and 8 with a bomb
The truck attack in france killed 84.
>b-b-but guns are more deadly, we should ban them!!!
>>699802795
Not according to the Supreme Court.
>>699801884
A true AR-15 receiver isn't milled in the correct way to enable full automatic operations. If you do anything to modify it, then its illegal.
>>699802493
Why do conservatives think registration equals confiscation?
You think the government is going to follow a list of registered users if they really ever wanted to take all the guns?
>>699802178
There's a vlog on teh joo tubes debunking the well regulated militia misinterpretation. I'd find it if I gave a fuck
>>699802795
see
>>699798573
Despite the media sensationalism, all rifles combined, including but not limited to assault rifles, kill less people than punching and kicking.
BAN HANDS AND FEET!!!!
>>699799484
it applies to the militia not the weapons - the right to bear arms is a right to be a member of a well regulated militia - one that is trained and serves its country.
>>699802929
except for the part where it never ever fucking says that, and actually says what I claimed
>>699801055
>>699803010
>implying the NRA doesn't own a court justice or two
>implying the NRA had nothing to do with the title 10 usc 311 law this faggots shitposting about at the top of his lungs
>>699803095
The entire point of registration is that you know where they are and who has them so you can come take them whenever you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=277Ic2AlFqM
>>699802178
`Its already stated that any male between the ages of 18 and 45 who are able bodied are part of the unregulated militia. So yes, everyone is already in the militia.
>>699802596
At least he had statistics, rather than pulling hearsay out of his ass.
>>699803246
The NRA has a fraction of the funding and lobbying budget of pharmaceuticals and oil. Why don't you focus on who really is buying our politicians. The NRA mostly has voter influence, not senator buying power.
>>699801125
This is old though, France should be just about as high as the U.S.
>>699791630
Because most of them are all talk, and they would piss themselves if faced with any real danger.
>>699803122
>guns kill people
>B-BUT OTHER THINGS KILL PEOPLE TOO BAN THOSE THINGS!
>THOSE THINGS REGULATED BY OUR GOVERNMENT FOR OUR SAFETY
Nice try, faggot. Apples to oranges.
>inb4 lol omg zozel our hands and feet aren't regulated ur so dumb lol
Assault is very illegal.
>>699800953
so more guns = more crime? The numbers of guns sold in the United States in the past 10 years is staggering. But if more guns = more crime why is crime going down? The data supports my claim that more guns means less crime. It does not support your claim.
Would you like to try something else? Like maybe how guns are 'scary looking' or something like that?
Here are some stats on U.S. versus U.K. crime. The data again shows that less guns = more crime.
>>699803700
Trucks are regulated for your safety? Oh really. You need a background check to go rent a truck from Uhaul?
>>699803571
>statistics
Samefagging won't save you. You posted NO statistics whatsoever. All you did was say "IT WAS LOWER" and then claim that what you said was "fact". That's not how statistics work, newfriend. No sources, no stats, just claims. That's all you've contributed to this thread.
I'll tell you folks a secret. Semi auto guns can easily be fixed yo full auto. Any gun. Real easy. No need to make them legal. We already have them.
>>699803246
Even if this is true, it misses the point.
The point is that we have vested in the Supreme Court the sole authority to interpret the constitution. You don't get to circumvent that authority and boldly declare what the constitution REALLY means. By definition and design, this is an impossibility.
>>699802795
That so eh? The 2nd amendment was ratified on Dec 15, 1791. While the Revolutionary War ended on September 3, 1783. Why would an amendment to protect the fighters of a war become law 8 years after that war ended, eh?
>>699801125
Correlation != causation
itt
bunch of nigger libtards who want to loot stores and homes without being shot
>>699803854
>every rental place performs a credit check before handing over the keys to a transportation device that had to meet factory requirements before getting off the production line
Yes. Trucks are regulated heavily, for the safety of the driver. Maybe you should actually TRY renting a truck sometime before you shitpost about the process required by the rental agency.
>>699791922
With the changing meaning of language, that is a phase that needs to be evaluated based on its common meaning at the time of its writing.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
>>699791630
second amendment fag reporting in
Fully automatic weapons aren't too necessary in the event of a tyrannic uprising requiring a civilian based militia
>not knowing what the second amendment was made for
>>699799308
Militia aren't necessarily regulated (in a legal sense) by any governing body. The idea was that a loosely organized group of people could band together at any time to defend life, liberty, and property from a hostile force.
>>699804202
nice copypasta faggot
>>699803257
> know where they are and who has them so you can come take them whenever
I realized many moons ago that there is no way in Hell that's gonna happen. There's just too many out there.
Do you know anyone who is willing to freely give up their guns?
How do you think forcefully taking them will end up?
>>699802803
Those victims join the number of victims caused by the stupidity of Clinton's party. Insulting me gets you no where, we're completely on opposed positions. I say its the laws of the land of disarming lawful citizens that causes death. You say disarming lawful citizens would disarm criminals and reduce deaths. My side has data backing it up, and your side has data showing less gun-related deaths but increased statistics in other tool related deaths. I think my side wins out.
>>699796712
By that logic, free speech only applies to a quill and ink.
>>699801125
except that you choose to averagein results from extreme outliers - brazil - lawless nation in the barrios - mexico - lawless nation in the cities and drug cartels hits, russia, mafia run nation with high crime rate from government and semi government bodies, chile, not a stable democracy, estonia - see russis but not quite so bad, turkey - borderline basket case nation torn by internal strife and political violence.
take out those obvious anomaly violent countries and the United states, as a country with a democracy, not with a war in its territory and not run by drug cartels of mafia bosses is a weird outlier.
and the graph goes up.
but hey, why would you think of doing any real statistical analysis and controlling for extreme reasons for high death rates that are not just directly related to gun ownership levels. that would be responsible and accurate reporting, and not back up your stupid and obviously false position.
>>699804482
your side wins... nothing
already have my ar-15 piece of shit
>>699803095
Because there is also an ammendment about wrongful search and siezure
>>699803915
The Great Depression happened 11 years after WWI, the conflict that our economy couldn't afford to pay for which bankrupted us a decade after it ended. Your point is that an amendment protecting gun rights happened IN LIVING MEMORY of the conflict that spurred the sentiment in the first place? That's really what you're going with?
>>699804596
>doesn't read
kek
>>699802876
No, there is no required need for a standard of training. Just training. Meaning you know how to shoot accurately and control your firearm properly. You can learn that in an afternoon at any shooting range.
>>699801055
By this interpretation, women can't own firearms. Which is good because they're fucking stupid whiny cunts who bleed every month anyhow
>>699803095
Why do liberals think conservatives are the ones shooting up everything?
>>699802178
A militia is any civilian willing to take up arms and fight you mongoloid
>>699802929
Well regulated means they can operate their equipment and it is in good working order or "well calibrated" as some people pointed out, which is the same thing. The unorganised militia is every male between 18 and 45. They can be called to arms at any moment. Thus, they need the equipment and knowledge to be at arms. Thus, they should own firearms.
>>699804790
Funny how every recent 'mass' shooting has been carried out to a leftist or registered democrat
>>699801125
I would argue this just shows it's uncorrelated. Good work.
>>699804499
No, by that logic the founding fathers thought they were regulating a relatively simple weapon that took an eternity to reload between shots. They didn't think they'd be justifying the deaths of 10K people a year, by using verbiage to protect assault rifles and other military grade armaments for the general public. Muskets were used by the countrys equivalent of an army. I.e. Guns were for the army, not for farmers just in case.
>>699801172
except that those guns were horribly inaccurate and there were very few shoot outs - the west was not that wild. if we all had old colts that couldnt stop a man with feweer than three hits and couldn't hit you at twenty feet, it might be ok. having modern pistols with thirteen shots that hit you at twenty yards easy and put a hole the size of a baseball or bigger in you is adifferent matter.
but keep reading those cowboy novels and Robert Heinlein shit that says that everyone would be polite if we al had guns. No they fucking wouldn't. there would be mass deaths and suicides and accidental killings - like the USA has (40 to 50 times higher per capita than the UK)
>>699804615
Obviously every home becomes "suspect" though.
Im not saying the government would/could ever try to take all the guns, just genuinely wondering what the argument against registering is. If some one stole my gun, i could report the serial missing.... possibly even get it back. like a car. or my drones
>>699803257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLKxundTos
>>699804955
>they can be called to arms at any moment
like the national fucking guard, you autist.
>>699804790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLKxundTos
>>699801635
In fact, full auto weapons are *less* complex than semi-auto weapons. Usually means filing off a ridge somewhere.
>>699803861
Same as you, also, not the op you were responding to. I've seen you post nothing but your idea that cops and criminals shot at eachother from a crossed the O-KAY corral and killed civilians doing it. Movies are glamorization my friend. Did you happen to know that when you pull a sword, knife, anything out of a scabbard it wouldn't make a metallic shing sound too? That would ruin the blade.
>>699791630
Because it's easier to just break the law and get away with it.
>>699801172
Wait what? You mean when stagecoach robbery was a legit profession? Frontier justice was the law of the land?
Nigga you dumb
>>699802493
no, I don't want to take them, I just want you to turn up, train, and serve your country. Or did you think that the 2nd amendment says "Any lazy antisocial fucker can own any weapon he wants and never have to be responsible for its use"
you want to protect the 2nd - sign up jarhead.
>>699805113
10k people are killed by pistols less then 1% of murders are committed with a rifle
>>699803246
The NRA is fighting for the rights of EVERY citizen to be able to keep their second ammendment rights. Not just the rightwing conservative. Democrats/liberals just hate the NRA because they back to opposing party. If the democrats weren't activly trying to take away the law abiding citizens right, the NRA might back the liberal lobby too. The NRA fights for the rights of every america ln, not just the conservative republicans rights. They back the republicans because no republican in their right mind would ever try to removed or revise the second ammendment
>>699802267
you really believe this shit don't you?
or do you work for the NRA? yeah. lets arm preschool teachers, and everyone else, and then wen a gun goes off and the cops show up and start shooting anyone with a gun in their hand we can all have the day off school. (recent shooting where the idiots were open carrying and ran off and did nothing but holdup the police spring to mind? )
this is shit tier reasoning.
>>699805458
Wow, do you even know what happened AT the OK Corral shooting? You can't even spell it properly, sperglord.
The reason the shootout happened in the first place was because Virgil Earp became town marshall and banned the use of guns WITHIN CITY LIMITS. The reason he did that was BECAUSE innocent civilians were being shot en masse, by the cowboys swinging through the town looting the stores and fucking around in opium dens. Or in other words-- drug addicts with guns were shooting innocent people so he said "dont do that", and those drug addicts freaked out and shot at him and his family (full of innocent civilians). In an alley that was a few blocks AWAY from the actual OK Corral.
>>699804687
No, my point was countering his point, which was that the 2nd admendment was only to protect the militia that fought during the Revolutionary War. So I stated that the revolutionary war was 8 years before the ratification of the 2nd. Why would someone want to protect something that is already done and over with?
Also you need to do a little more research on the great depression. It wasn't caused by bankrupting due to the war. It was caused by a number of factors, which included widespread loss of confidence in the dollar, the fear based mass sell off, and the devaluation of the dollar because of it. Also a few other things, but the war did not cause it. In fact I debate that WW2 was what actually got the US out of hot water thanks to the sudden economic boost of selling our wartime muntions provided the population.
>>699791630
Because this specific regulation regarding fully automatic weapons started in the 1930's, so most of the "2nd amendment people" have lived under this regulation for their entire lives. Nothing has been taken away from them as far as they are concerned.
>>699805836
>10K people killed by guns
>less than 1% of murders committed with this type of gun
Makes 0 fucking sense, stop talking.
whatever happened to that right wing extremism Obama's administration kept harping about
his entire presidency it's just niggers and libtard extremists looting/torching buildings, shooting police, etc.
>>699805060
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks its false flag attacks.
>>699801359
can you "cherry pick" some stats that show gun restrictions reduce any kind of violent crime in the United States the past 100 years or so?
>>699801359
Acting as if we aren't in a huge cold war. Look around and tell me that all of these extremest attacks on multiple countries aren't wearing thin. Look around and see people telling each other "I don't want anyone to have guns" and that isn't a problem. Russia and NATO turkey and multiple attacks in different events. You don't know whats going to happen tomorrow. So to sit there and just say "oh well these things happened in the past a long time ago we've moved past that" is fucking retarded. You were given evidence showing how huge governments have stripped people of their rights and brush it off as if it was nothing akin to saying "oh the Egyptians had slaves and let them go. Itll never happen again"
>>699806105
The NRA is fighting to protect the rights of every citizen to OWN A GUN. "National Rifle Association", it's literally in their fucking name. They are a pro gun organization, designed to protect and further gun rights. The sole purpose of their creation.
>>699804482
you mean your gun manufacturing lobby has so called statistics that show ...
I have lived in the UK australia and France - I can assure you I have never felt the need to revolt against the government, or the need to a gun to protect myself. you feel those needs because you live in a violence ridden hell hole, because of lax gun control laws. i pity you/
>>699805836
By niggers killing niggers or other minorities commiting gang violence in areas where firearm ownership is the strictest in the country. The vast majority of gun 'violence' in this country are suicides. Less than 5% are self defense and accidents and 'mass shootings'. The other 35% or more are niggers killing eachother for wearing the wrong color or standing on the wrong side of the street
>>699792495
i have an assault rifle sitting next to me, i don't feel disarmed
quads
You fill out a form, pass a background check, and pay a $200 tax stamp. How hard is that?
>>699806430
Go right ahead and read something for a change.
http://theconversation.com/how-us-gun-control-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world-43590
Cherry picking stats is called "confirmation bias". I say that because it sounds like you have no idea what that phrase even means.
>>699802267
Proliferation of weaponry doesn't make the world a safer place. In places where swords were common it became necessary to make them illegal for the peasantry to carry them because everyone was killing each other. In Germany where swords were outlawed they just made their knives bigger and claimed they were just carrying knives around instead of swords.
The point is that just having everyone armed won't fucking stop people from shooting at each other. Most people won't actually shoot someone even if the situation demands it. In WW2 you only had something like 50% of your men purposefully shooting in the enemy's direction. Out of those 50% a tiny minority were actually shooting to kill the people they were shooting at as in actually aiming to shoot the other person.
You're really going to tell me your average school teacher is going to be able to muster the courage and will to shoot someone to death when trained soldiers wouldn't even do so?
>>699791630
Give me convenience or give me death.
>>699806300
That actually makes a fucking ton of sense. It's even lower then that. With homicides/accidentally shootings id actually count for that final number. what are you trying to say that because a rifle accounts for 1% of murders in those "10k murders" that it's simply just as guilty? That makes no sense
>>699791922
That's not what regulated means.
>>699804918
but a well regulated militia is the national guard, you undisciplined disgrace to the Constitution and the country you refuse to serve.
>>699805115
Have you ever shot a colt .45? Or used an 1886? Maybe even seen how killer a Springfield was or an old Rolling Block? Fuck me man a coach gun was literally designed to blast people off of horseback when natives and organized crime attempted postal and wells fargo robberies.
19th century firearms were badass, and still are badass. This is just a horrible assumption that old = worse equipment.
Fuck me man a hunting rifle from the 18th century was accurate as fuck, which is why our guerrilla tactics on British supply chains was so effective. We could hammer out an entire convoy and disappear with the loot before they could even send a patrol out to rescue it. Just because it was a musket and ball doesn't mean it wasn't accurate. It was only those damn standard military muskets that sucked because they were crudely made in vast quantities so regiments could line up and shoot at eachother across a field.
>>699806493
>Russia, NATO, Turkey
Ignoring ALL political context can support any type of argument I try to make, too.
>>699796712
>Amendment was referencing muskets and cannons
No it wasn't. That same dumbfuck logic could be applied to freedom of speech and press.
>durrrrr when they wrote the amendment they didn't think we'd have internet, radio, tv, telegraphs and all that. Shit needs to be regulated hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>699807004
Funny because the national guard is a branch of the military. Not a militia.
>>699791922
However you read this, it still states 'militia' pretty clearly.
A militia is battle-fit men who can quickly be called up to service, often providing their own weapons.
So yeah, when I read the whole amendment, I read it as allowing people to own weaponry in case their service is called upon.
Never looked at it that way before...
>>699806817
so no you can't then, ok thats what I thought
>>699805342
Yup. The national guard is that, they're the organized militia. Once again though, a member of the unorganized militia, males between 18 and 45 in good health can be called up at any time. It just so happens we don't do that because the US has such a strong military background our reserves never run out. That, and well we haven't been in a mass war since the vietnam war. Everything since then has been small squad tactics.
>>699807246
>entire source is riddled with statistics proving that gun bans correlate with less gun deaths
>LOL YOU CANT THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
didnt even bother to read it, did you? hilarious.
Found this scratched into a lead scroll, written by the ancestor of one of you cucks that are terrified of guns.
>What do you need a gladius for, Romanfats?
If your house gets robbed, just call the lictor's guild or use your scutum to fend off the attack.
No Roman citizen actually needs a gladius. If push came to shove, what, are you and your untrained barbarian slaves going to defeat 10 legions by yourselves?
What next, should you have the right to own a ballista? No Roman citizen should need more than a pugio to defend himself in his home. You're just overcompensating for your short stature and plebian birth.
>>699804955
>Thus, they should own firearms.
sad that this conclusion is not supported by your premises.
they are not a well regulated milita - they are a bunch of hoods and rednecks, secessionists and traitors, and people scared to sleep at night in their own homes.
the stupid interpretation of well regulated meaning the firearm itself is calibrated or maintained or even subject to regulation is plainly false - the amendment was clearly about the militia, and the right o be a member of it and to bear arms for your country. it was not about gun ownership.
>>699797667
>Nope
>In order for a militia to be effective it must have >access to military grade gear. "Well regulated" >meant well equipped back in the 1700's.
Bullshit. You are now changing the dictionary for your own inebriated use?
regulate |ˈreɡyəˌlāt|
verb [ with obj. ]
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly: a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function.
>• control or supervise (something, especially a >company or business activity) by means of rules >and regulations: the organization that regulates >fishing in the region.
• set (a clock or other apparatus) according to an external standard.
>>699797617
>trump supporters
>cucks
You have a lot to learn about this election cycle
>>699806796
Lol. Sure go get one. Let me know how that works out. You saying that is the equivalent to trying to tell a diesel mechanic how easy it is to take apart an entire engine then put it back together very matter-o-factly
>>699807390
>one group can be called to arms at a moments notice with the right paperwork and formal training
>the other group can be called to arms at a moments notice with no paperwork or formal training
Which group did you want to have access to guns, again? The one who's professionally trained to handle them or the one who took classes at a learning annex for an hour?
>>699805607
Sigh.... fine I'll post it, since everyone and there dog has seen this in these threads but somehow retards like you haven't a clue and can't fucking 5 second google search.
>>699807521
>it was not about gun ownership.
Odd that they didn't clarify that at the time, or shortly after, or any time between then and now.
I'm here to support the 18th amendment supporters. We need to get a license plate.
>>699805836
yep, which is why a pistol ban is the best thing we caould do. and ban in all areas - because it is too easy tobuy one in one state and take it to another. all pistols, everywhere, banned. see you with one - you a bad guy, you shot by good guys with guns - the police. that is how it works in every other country int he world, and that is why no other country has murder rate that is withing a30th of yours.
>>699807766
>ignores population statistics completely
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/29/rick-santorums-misguided-view-of-gun-control-in-the-wild-west/
>The murder rate was much higher in mining towns, such as Bodie, Calif. During its boom years, the town had 29 murders a year, which translated to a murder rate three times higher than Miami in 1980
>>699806133
You don't just arm people willy nilly you inbred hilly billy. You arm volunteers, give them the concealed permit training courses. Hell they even outline what to do when a cop shows up. 100% of the suggestions is: "disarm yourself and put your hands up." We'll sort this mess out later after the facts come in.
>>699808109
If only it were that easy. But the problem isn't the weapon, it's the fact that people have the desire to kill people. That's the problem. Try to solve that. You can disarm someone with the desire to murder in their heart, but you're left with someone with a desire to murder in their heart. That's a problem.
>>699806154
My point was, that was a rare occurrence, and was brought on by a horrible lack of lawful behavior. The way you were putting it that shit happened everyday.
>>699808201
>you inbred hilly bill
Great way to get your point across. Grow the fuck up.
>>699808440
...it did.
Wow, this is fucking hilarious. It DID happen everyday, and that's why Virgil Earp OUTLAWED the use of guns within city limits. And THATS why the cowboys shot at them, BECAUSE they were doing that shit everyday and they didn't want to stop doing it every fucking day.
Eh, I own a handgun that I keep in my house because I want to be prepared in the rare chance that someone tries to break into my house while I'm here. I have a wife and a 3 year old daughter, and I have to protect them and my property. I think I'll hang on to my gun, thanks.
>>699806215
>No, my point was countering his point, which was that the 2nd admendment was only to protect the militia that fought during the Revolutionary War. So I stated that the revolutionary war was 8 years before the ratification of the 2nd. Why would someone want to protect something that is already done and over with?
why would a government want to address a major issue it had in its past? I don't know -maybe because it had been a issue?
the thing is that the 2nd amendmanet was about eligibility for national service and to serve in the military. had they written "the necessity of having a national guard being the case, the right t serve inthe national guard shall not be infringed" which is how it would be worded in modern language, we would not be having this stupid debate.
the founding fathers were concerned that some people had been excluded from serving, by reason of religion, debt, race, etc, and wanted all citizens to be equal in rights and duties. that is why they proposed the amendment (and it took years to go through, so it was in the works for a long time before passed)
>>699807051
>Fuck me man a hunting rifle from the 18th century was accurate as fuck, which is why our guerrilla tactics on British supply chains was so effective. We could hammer out an entire convoy and disappear with the loot before they could even send a patrol out to rescue it. Just because it was a musket and ball doesn't mean it wasn't accurate. It was only those damn standard military muskets that sucked because they were crudely made in vast quantities so regiments could line up and shoot at eachother across a field.
Lets go back in history...
The reason we were so successful in the early parts of the Revolutionary War was because were were assholes...we did not follow the "standard" protocol of war. We were able to rebuff many of the intital British forays into the colonies by ambushing them...lying in wait, using stealth. Again, this was not the way wars were fought.
When we did indeed face off with them, we sustained very high casualties. The British were better trained, better behaved in a standard line.
We won only because we were cucks.
As for weapons of that time, the musket balls were wildly erratic. It took an amazing amount of skill and training to be totally effective.
>>699807457
>can you "cherry pick" some stats that show gun restrictions reduce any kind of violent crime in the United States the past 100 years or so?
>in the United States the past 100 years
>in the United States
"Look at my liberal Australian website! It talks about France and stuff"
Can you show me any stats that show any gun regulation in the history of the United States has reduced gun crime or violent crime at any time, from the birth of the nation to the recent bans in California or Chicago?
No?
Why not?
>>699791922
then comma "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." so you got "people" and "militia"
>>699806575
Actually I don't carry my firearms. I hold them in case any of the number of horrible scenarios that are possible play out. I don't feel unsafe where I live, hell if I saw people walking down the street with guns I'd probably just ignore it. I'm not afraid of seeing a police officer or going to gunshows where I normally just buy survival gear and ammunition if I find a good buy.
You people act like anyone with guns are afraid Bubba and Tyrone are going to knock down their door at any instance, and we're not. We just understand that some circumstances are out of our control, and if the pop up we'd want to be ready to protect ourselves and those around us.
In fact, I don't even keep my guns in my apartment. I keep a machete and OC spray just in case, but I didn't want to lug a 500 lb safe up some stairs, so I left them back at my father's place for storage.
>>699806569
THE nra IS FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF GUN MANUFACTURERES TO MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHILE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE HURT BY THEIR PRODUCTS AND THEY CANNOT SUE DUE TO LAWS THE nra GOT SLIMED THOUGH CONGRESS..
fixed that for you, and cannot be arsed fixing the caps lock mistake...
>>699806649
its not an assault rifle, quit buying into the lies.
Too many to reply to, but so many people don't understand what the militia is. The militia is us - we the people. The last line of defense. And well-regulated does have anything to do with laws and government red tape surrounding gun purchases and ownership. Look up what the term meant in the late 18th century. Others have already posted it. It makes perfect sense given that it is mentioned right there with the mentioning of a militia. Doesn't really make sense to say "you have the right to be in an armed militia but there will background checks to get your weapon and some weapons will be banned or require waiting periods."
>>699808727
Stop pretending like you know anything at all about the war.
>>699791630
>Why don't 2nd Amendment fags revolt over not being able to easily buy fully automatic weapons?
Because they are giant wasters of ammo. If you want to kill someone in battle, "spray and pray" sucks. Even the military prefer single and three-round burst.
>>699806896
Like I said, a volunteer would do that. That's where your mental shit gets fucked up man. You say the average person, a volunteer isn't average. They're stepping apart from others to learn what they need to do and train to do that thing right. You probably haven't volunteered for anything in your life, so you don't know the gratification of stepping up to the challenge.
Its when you force someone to do something they don't want to you get people shooting in the wrong directions or not stepping up at all. Remember, most front line infantry in WW2 were drafted with the American army.
>>699806817
This shit is fucking comical.
>Other nations don't have violence like this.
Yea they have suicide bombers or stabbings or guys driving trucks down the road
>A loaded gun in the drawer is a insurance policy that fails to deliver 95% of the time
What! So the first thing 95% of burglars do is break into the window of the master bedroom and check the bedside table....................... ......... ......ok
And the "down under" solution. Of course if you just simply take ever gun out of the country the gun violence will grid down. However the best part about that is that that country/continent is an island. The second we ban guns like that is inviting the cartels to simply arm everyone. Sorry but they are in the business of making money. And they are a neighbor that knows how to get goods across the border. Making every gun illegal I'll just put more money in their pockets
I own multiple "assault rifles", and many different pistols, revolvers, and "combat shotguns". No amount of furious libcuck posts here will change that. How mad does that make you?
>>699791630
Good question. Are you offering to lead the revolution?
>>699806951
so having a one in under ten thousand death rate (and what is the injury rate?) is not a problem, hen every civilised country has a rate of lower than one in 400,000?
yeah, just 40 to 50 times higher than the UK, Germany, Europe as a whole, not a problem.
geezz that lead int he petrol really hasn't gone away yet has it.... .
>>699809639
>>Other nations don't have violence like this.
People say that as if we all live in little vacuums where everything is equal. What worked in Australia or wherever else will not work here. We are all completely different countries, and perhaps the most important difference is that we have a completely different set of demographics. Banning guns here would turn the entire country into a Baltimore overnight. It would be one be nationwide loot fest by a certain demo.
>>699809205
how do you know what it is?
>>699809800 Yeah Europe sure is doing great lately. kek
>>699809639
Wow this level of autism.
>of course if you just take every gun out of a country, the gun violence will grid down
Exactly, you fucking retard.
>inviting the cartels to simply arm everyone
Like they clearly did in every country that banned guns thus far. This is sarcasm, that has literally never happened post gun ban.
>making every gun illegal will just put more money in their pockets
They deserve the money then, if they can outsmart the guard stations we have posted along the ENTIRE length of our border shared with Mexico. The same guards that we'd be allowing to keep their guns, since no ones saying ban them all. We're saying ban civilian access to guns designed for the use of professionals.
This paranoia is ridiculous. You are not NEARLY important enough to worry about someone invading your home in some kind of weird political apocalypse. No one gives that much of a fuck about you.
I work at a prison, so many ex military people and gun nuts that if the government were to outright ban guns they would revolt. That's not to say I don't see it coming, but I see them taking them away over the next 100 years after subsequent generations are used to the restrictions.
>>699807224
yes it is militia - that is directly how it is defined.
but keep telling yourself that you are the real militia - you who have never served, and have no idea of tactics, discipline, or honor, you low life scumbag who is happy to let thousands of people die just do you can play with your toys
I have a couple of AR15s. They are fun. They are like a hobby because they are so easily customized. I rarely even shoot them, and when I do it's just a couple of boxes of rounds at the range. I just like looking at them for the most part. Get fucked if you honestly think the government should confiscate them.
>>699807716
That's why its like the least likely thing to be done, dumbass. You send in the trained troops first, they die or are injured or captured, then you send in the reserves. Then the volunteers from the unorganized. Finally, if its balls to the wall you just take every last mother fucker out there who can hold a stick and send them. This sort of shit doesn't happen in the US, since we're so military focused. However, remember how all the replacements in WW2 didn't know shit? It's because they were scraping the bottom of the barrel, training kids for a month and then shipping them out. That's how calling up the unorganized will be. They grab 'em, throw them in camp for 2 weeks to teach them how to shoot and piss standing up, then throw them at the enemy.
That would only take place if the world was burning down and we had nothing else to lose. Quit acting like it'll be the first decision of some 4 star brass. The only reason its in place in for that possibility, no matter how remote of a possibility it is.
>>699809119
Just like big tobacco and liquor sales
..and pharmaceutical companies. Yea it's starting to look like a pattern. Maybe it's the fucking government protecting their interest and bullshit like that. And.the NRA just jumped on because why not get protection too when so many more things that LEGITIMATELY serve no purpose but to slowly kill you get away with it for free
>Oh we said drink responsibly
>Oh we put that warning label on the box
>Oh our ad had that next page with size 2 font that said if you take this "you may experience...."
>>699810158
You should probably look up what a militia is, because you clearly have no clue, yet you have no problem posting about it as if you do.
>>699810243
Where did you get your formal training? Do you have all the legal paperwork and permits necessary? Did you buy those at a gun show? Are you part of the military? Did you even get formal training when you bought military grade weapons? Are you mentally stable? Do you take medication for a mental illness?
>no one asked you these questions
>you could be Dylan Rooff right now, and no one asked you these questions
>and now our babies are getting shot because no one asked you these questions or forced you into training
All these furiously typed out replies from liberal faggots and it has absolutely zero effect on the guns I own. Get fucked faggots.
>>699808196
Most people ignore population statistics, like sweden and economics. Everyone points to them for their social constructs and shit, and forget they have only 3 million people.
>>699807917
odd that they did - read the correspondence between Adams and Jefferson.
they supreme court rulings that have twisted the definition were controversial at the time - it was the ruling that banned automatic weapons that actually set the amendment as being about gun ownership at all.
>>699808486
Works well with your NRA shill comment you said about me eh? Just matching punch for punch friend.
>>699810537
I bought them at a gun shop. I passed the background check because I'm not criminal scum and I'm not mentally ill. I own them as a free and law abiding citizen and you can suck my dick.
>>699810068
Ok so if no one gives a fuck about me. Then it's my fucking job to and guess what I'm going to do that with? My guns you fucking idiot.
And if you ban guns of course the crime will stop from every day citizens. I mean Chicago had handguns made illegal sense the 20s only recently being made legal again. And did you see how fast that city fell apart....I mean I don't have.the charts and graphs telling me what it was like the last 80+ years, but it must of been a modern day Eden.
>>699808394
but murder, suicide, and all the other gun deaths are easier with guns. it is hard to kill yourself, or another person, without a weapon. sure you can use a bat or a knife or a truck - but it is harder than just pulling a trigger. murder rates (and suicide, attempts and successful suicides) fall when people do not have easy methods of killing - when pistols are banned. and they fall hugely - 40 times fewer murders and murder suicides and a hundred times fewer mass killings in the UK (and france for that matter if you discount the religious nutters)
>>699808697
Man you just never read the post I responded to did you? He said the 2nd amendment was ONLY, that is ONLY for the revolutionary war. Stop fighting against me man, I'm on your fucking side. The 2nd amendment for as valid today as it was for back then.
>>699810360
>replacements in the unorganized militia during WWII that were called to arms didn't know shit and we suffered because of it
Get right the fuck out of town. An UNTRAINED run of the mill citizen with access to the latest military grade weapons of the time still didn't know jackshit about fighting and died because of it?
What're the fucking odds!? So you're telling me that just because an average Joe has a gun, that he ACTUALLY knows how to use it?
>never happens because it never gets to that point
It never gets to that point because professionals with these tools don't let it get that far. Meanwhile, we're shooting our own schools up waiting for that one magical day that, by your own admission, is never going to fucking happen because they "don't let it get that far".
>>699809969
I was quoting Obama. But...you're right we are our own country, we aren't being led by others on what our policies should be. We need to do what works for us
>>699808697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zE0K22zH8
>>699810537
>Where did you get your formal training?
Second amendment.
>Do you have all the legal paperwork and permits necessary?
Second amendment.
>Did you buy those at a gun show?
Yes, or from a private seller.
>Are you part of the military?
No, never served.
>Did you even get formal training when you bought military grade weapons?
Second amendment.
>Are you mentally stable?
No
>Do you take medication for a mental illness?
Not anymore, no.
>no one asked you these questions
Because I have a right to own weapons that shall not be infringed. Sorry you're upset, but thats the law. Maybe you should start a petition to repeal the second amendment?
>>699808727
Once again yeah, musket balls were terribly inaccurate for guns made specifically for fighting wars. That's because the guns were mass produced. The guns colonial resistance fighters had were much more accurate as they were finally tuned hunting rifles, hand made with attention to detail. The reason we got our asses handed to us was exactly what you said, we met them on the field of battle in the exact terms that they were trained for, with little training and equipment to properly counter such a force. If we had stuck to guerilla fighting it would have been a non issue.
>>699809639
> Down under solution
Hey, we're allowed guns. Just not military-grade ones. And we need to jump through a billion hoops to get them. And if we fuck up we can lose the right to own a gun forever.
Fair call about us being an island. But honestly that just makes it easier to import... there's a lot of coast and not nearly enough boats to watch it all.
I think its culture more than anything. We've never had a war for independence or had to really raise militias. I don't know anyone here who owns a gun for the sake of owning one or for use specifically as a weapon to use against people. Everyone I know who owns guns here sees them as tools more than anything else.
>>699810915
>no one gives a fuck about you
>except when you use your gun to shoot up a church or a school
Nice try, faggot.
>chicago was some kind of Eden
A city that's been fucked since its inception was somehow fucked solely from gun regulations? hilarious.
>>699809982
just assuming you're calling any black matte semi-automatic weapon with a pistol grip an assault rifle.
>>699810537
This is somehow so cringe worthy it's passing almost anti matter fedora tipping scales
Reminder that this is what Liberals want
>>699808761
because the USA is a special snowflake. Statistics that apply to all other countries do not apply to USA, because it is USA! USA!
Because USA has never actually banned guns, just restricted a few guns legally in some areas - not banned guns ever. not put measures in place to stop gun sales and bring guns off the streets.
how about you ask a sensible question sometime, special snowflake?
>>699811386
>Just not military-grade ones
People throw this term around like it means something.
