1. Are you absolutely sure there is no God? If not, then is it not possible that there is a God? And if it is possible that God exists, then can you think of any reason that would keep you from wanting to look at the evidence?
2. Would you agree that intelligently designed things call for an intelligent designer of them? If so, then would you agree that evidence for intelligent design in the universe would be evidence for a designer of the universe?
3. Would you agree that nothing cannot produce something? If so, then if the universe did not exist but then came to exist, wouldn’t this be evidence of a cause beyond the universe?
4. Would you agree with me that just because we cannot see something with our eyes—such as our mind, gravity, magnetism, the wind—that does not mean it doesn’t exist?
5. Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?
6. In the light of the big bang evidence for the origin of the universe, is it more reasonable to believe that no one created something out of nothing or someone created something out of nothing?
7. Would you agree that something presently exists? If something presently exists, and something cannot come from nothing, then would you also agree that something must have always existed?
8. If it takes an intelligent being to produce an encyclopedia, then would it not also take an intelligent being to produce the equivalent of 1000 sets of an encyclopedia full of information in the first one-celled animal? (Even atheists such as Richard Dawkins acknowledges that “amoebas have as much information in their DNA as 1000 Encyclopaedia Britannicas.” Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker (New York: WW. Norton and Co., 1996), 116.)
9. If an effect cannot be greater than its cause (since you can’t give what you do not have to give), then does it not make more sense that mind produced matter than that matter produced mind, as atheists say?
10. Is there anything wrong anywhere?
>>699306042
If I can squirt my bucketload on a nice tight flatchested body like hers, I promise to believe in God, OP. I promise.
>>699306209
amen
1. I am absolutely sure there is no God.
2. No
3. I disagree
4. All things that exist are measurable. anything that isn't doesn't exist.
5. see above
6. yes
7. as above, something can come from nothing therefore it need not have always existed
8. No, as above for intelligent designer
9. Effects can be greater than causes when cause and effect are not linked via time and space
10. Yes, therefor no god.
>>699306209
Agree
>>699306042
I hate to break it to you, but there is also no Santa Claus.
>>699306042
1. It's possible, but I see no evidence.
2. Prove that the universe is intelligently designed.
3. Big Bang
4. Sure, but there must be some unit of measurement of some form to validate it's existence.
5. Sure.
6. What caused the big bang is unknown, but it being a god or gods seems very unlikely to me.
7. Yes, no.
8. No.
9. It does not, what created the mind, or god, ad infinitum.
10. You mean morally? Nah, that's subjective.
>>699306042
>>699306042
ITT: virgins.
Nothing wrong with the bible. Nothing wrong with being atheist either.
Get over yourselves and never post in these threads again if you please.
They are genuinly worse than trap/cuck threads.
How goes it Travis??
>>699308039
It goes well.
>>699306042
really?
you MUST have better things to do with your time. please go do them.
>>699308184
Glad to hear everything that
I challenge anyone's documented god to recreate any miracle that is claimed to have been witnessed. If they did it once, I'm certain it wouldn't be an issue to repeat it just for me. As I was typing this, nothing happened.
Simplest answer:
Fuck off
>>699308598
How goes it with you?
Kill yourself OP. Then will know if God exists
>>699308659
My God is better than you're God
nice stale meme faggot
I just think it's not your god
>>699308759
It's going. Just shot posting Cuz I'm boredom
>>699308777
> Kill yourself OP. Then will know if God exists
trips confirm. do it OP
>>699308934
Loves me a travis thread
>>699309181
>>699306042
god is looking at us like you would be looking at a bunch of ants
He fucking doesn't care about your pity life, you could die like a rat he couldn't give less fuck about you, he's maybe even having fun killing you himself like you killed ants when you were a kid
why an almighty would give a shit to actual shits who spend their lifes killing eachother already
>>699306042
>>699309591
Shit up and Travis, niggerbot
>>699309651
wheres this going?
monitoring
>>699309767
Kek
>>699309961
>>699306042
I have looked at your "evidence".
If intelligently designed things need a designer who designed god?
Again then from whence does God come? Just kicking the ball up a lvl here.
Also can't see flying spegheti monster or my 10 billion dollars
Fuck off with yer to many questions. Lot of questions for one who is secure in his kniwledge of god. Read Dawkins for complete and effective rebute to all your terrible arguments. Unless yer faith is so weak that the writings of a man could shake you're unwavering belief in an all powerful god yer a pussy not to read it.
I know yer a troll but hopefully some other Christ fag will read this and turn from the false light and get his Sundays back.
that line of question tho
p.s. god exists and hates you. you are going to be tortured endlessly.
>>699306042
1. Yes, I am absolutely sure there is no "God." God by definition requires acknowledgement and worship. If he is not "my God," then he is not God. I am not denying the possible existence of powerful or apparently supernatural "entities" that would be considered deities, or even a "universe creator," but I would see no reason to worship one even if I believed it existed. The Ten Commandments say, "I am the lord *YOUR* God" and "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Old Testament itself implies the existence of other potential gods, and stipulates that its faithful shall not worship them regardless. Worship is clearly considered a necessary component of Godhood, even by monotheists, which is why they seek to convert or kill anyone who doesn't believe.
Power is not a sufficient condition for godhood. Creation is not a sufficient condition for godhood. Worship IS a necessary condition for godhood. Ultimately, the relationship between a man and his potential "god" is analogous to the relationship between a slave and his master. If the slave does not acknowledge the master as master, he is not a slave. You can kill him, beat him, visit untold suffering upon him, but you cannot break his will unless he allows it. As long as he resists, he is not a slave. By the same token, I assert that I will not acknowledge anyone or anything as God. No one has done anything for me or anyone I know or even have heard of that would deserve such recognition.
2. Animals on Earth are NOT intelligently designed. There are so many obviously unintelligent things about all animals, including humans. But of course, you'll just move the goalposts if I ask how intelligently extinct animals were designed. Clearly it was God's plan for them to go extinct.
3. If you claim that something cannot come from nothing, then where did God come from? If God does not require a creator, why does anything else, e.g. the universe, necessarily require a creator?
4. True, but irrelevant.
>>699306042
First sentence man, you got burden of proof. Congrats on submitting to something though I guess
>>699306042
zzzzzzz
>>699306042
Wtf i hate atheism now
>>699311833
Atheism is for atheists
>>699306042
11. Are you the same autist whose been making these thread for years everyday?
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>>699306042
This is why I'm agnostic, god COULD maybe exist, but probably not.
>>699306042
God here. Stop this, I am perfectly capable of spreading my own message.
If you want to help, live by my message. And no, doing this is not part of it. No go tell you mother you are sorry for yesterday.
>>699306042
>>699311131
cont.
5. True, but also irrelevant because existence is not a sufficient condition for godhood. Recognition and worship is also necessary.
6. It's not reasonable to believe either of those. It's not reasonable in science to believe anything without evidence. Just because we don't know the reason for something does not mean we must assume a god is responsible.
7. That something is not necessarily "God." Even if some "entity" or "deity" had created the universe, that would not be a sufficient condition for godhood. I would sooner believe he were an autistic neckbearded basement-dweller running a simulation on the computer on his desk than "God."
8. No, it would not. It's entirely possible that life as we know it is simply the result of randomness within the confines of the laws of chemistry and physics. It doesn't sound reasonable until you realize we're talking about random processes over BILLIONS of years.
9. No, that doesn't make sense at all. How does mind creating matter not also violate the idea that an effect cannot be greater than the cause? Not that I even agree with that premise in the first place, but your logic is fallacious, premises notwithstanding. And of course, your answer to my question will be some circular bullshit like "God's mind is infinite, therefore he can be the cause of everything." The problem is that line of reasoning necessarily assumes the existence of God in order to prove the existence of God.
10. ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAID WAS WRONG HOLY FUCKING SHIT. KILL YOURSELF.
>>699306042
The girl in the pic is pretty hot
>>699306777
I'm saving all of these Travis pics
>>699314564
>>699306042
Doesn't matter if there is a God or not. It's all about how you treat people while you live. Much or less even if you believe God people end up not treating other people good.
If you treat people with respect and help people in the world, you will go to a good afterlife if there is one. If you do that and there is not an afterlife? Then you've made this life the best it can be. Arguing about the existence of an omnipresent being is actually illogical.
>>699306042
Aw yiss cyclical retard thread, my favorite. Its time to unleash my 'tism.
1) We've already come to the conclusion that we can neither prove, nor disprove a general god.
However, we've disproved several specified versions already (yahweh, etc.).
2) This is the creationism vs evolution argument, which basically comes down to: both can exist at the same time dont be a fag. Also, things being designed in a way that seems intelligent =/= things being designed by an intelligent creator. If you havent noticed, things that dont have balance in the universe dont stick around for very long, meaning that balance could be the prime reason why things in the universe seem to intelligently "work". Besides, there are plenty of fucked up things that happen that arent intelligent at all. Theres really nothing to base this question on. Perception of intelligence is an illusion that could go either way based on evidence.
3) This argument is, and always has been, dumb. Its possible that something can come from nothing and we just havent witnessed it. it can go either way, as usual.
4) This is true.
5) This is true as well.
6) This question is extraordinarily complex, and anyone without an understanding on how the big bang works should not even be allowed to bring it up. Time isnt a constant, alongside a thousand other variables which restructure the entire concept and how it relates to us, which throws your before/after idea out of the window. However, its completely possible that its mechanical as opposed to intelligent. Again, it can go either way.
7)I cant answer this one because the postulate isnt aligned with mine. Im unsure whether or not something can come from nothing.
8) Its not the amount of data in an encyclopedia that takes an intelligent being, its the way the data is organized, which again can be the product of balance oriented deterministic natural selection.
9) This premise doesnt apply to everything. It generally only applies to physics.
>>699306042
>>699315485
Also heres the argument for god as a general being.
http://alexanderpruss.com/papers/LCA.html
Im not about to parse all that data in a way for laymen to understand. I dont have that level of verbal skill.
>>699306042
1) Yes, maybe a godlike creature but nothing capable of being a true god, all powerful and omniscient
2) If only it was an intelligent design, the universe is more like 4chan, a cesspool of piss and shit that slowly mounds on itself
3) It can't, and It also can't exist by nature of being nothing therefore nothing can from it since it doesn't exist
4) Yes, but it must have some observable action aka be relative to something in order to exist at all.
5) No, the concept of a god is flawed, while your other examples have clearly observable reactions and have fundamentally sound explanations
6) You think too linearly the universe is time, it doesn't follow it
7) Yes, the universe always exists despite having a beginning and end from our perspective
8) No it just takes luck and time
9) A mind is an illusion of free will in a timeless unchanging universe.
10) Everywhere, but most importantly your understanding of time. Literally nothing created the universe the beginning and the end are simply boundaries. If it were a book we would be the characters with our entire lives frozen within the pages.
11) I'm too tired to care about bait
>>699315485
>>699315793
Now we never have to reply to this thread ever again ever, no matter how many times its posted.
>>699306042
>>699306777
This is why no takes religious fags, or Atheist fags seriously, because neither of you seem to realize that both of your arguments stem from your overwhelming dogma, and an inflated sense of of intelligence/self importance.
To me it seems that with our current understanding of the universe it should be relatively easy for you to just admit that you are relying on either faith, or an educated guess. There is nothing wrong with either to some extent, but when you state absolutely, unequivocally that there is no God, or that there is people who try to be objective tend to just get tired of hearing you drone on with the same old tired bullshit. Maybe try putting some perspective on it, and realize you are just a human, and that we are probably still in the dark ages as far as our understanding of the universe goes.
>>699306042
1. I'm agnostic so no, I am open to arguments
2. I do not agree with this statement, and actually witnessed the order that is created within Chaos. Bo Creator needed.
3. That's a valid point and the reason why I joined the church at first. Unfortunately Religion does not have any better solution to this Problem, so it is no argument for either viewpoint.
4. I would agree.
5. I would agree. See 1.
6. If there is someone there was never truly nothing. This Argument is not valid in my eyes.
7. Yes. This something is not God.
8. No. Only because there is data,. Doesn't mean that it was not incidential. First of all this explains why it took so long for Life to be created at all and also the first beings were (and we still are) far from perfect. To claim otherwise is irrational imho
9.an Effect can be greater than its cause. Throw a rock down a snowy mountain and watch as it starts to destroy entire villages. This argument is bad. Even if it was true the logical conclusion is wrong.
10. Yes.
>1.
There might be a Deity/God, but not THE god or Allah or smth
>2.
Might be, dunno
>3.
nothing can't create everything, that's all i say
>4.
but we can see/recognize the ffects of it
>5.
tru
>6.
something created everything out of nothing
>7.
can't say yes to that, b/c where did the first something come from?
>8.
nope
>9.
stuff can be created from nothing, we don't know how/why
>10.
Yep
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>>699306042
>mfw the answer to all question isNiggers on Steroids
>>699306777
>anything that isnt measurable doesnt exist
wew lad.
*Any physical thing that isnt measurable doesnt exist.
FTFY
>>699308039
>>699308039
Theres porn of this semen demon isnt there?
>>699309591
Actually, the idea of god is that its the only thing with a massive amount of power that has the humility to handle it and not turn into "muh satan" ie the fag that looks at everything like ants.
>>699310613
Do we know what travis thinks of his face being everywhere? Hes pretty e famous. I wonder if its affected his life.
>>699316825
nigger what are you doing
>>699317648
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>>699317959
>>699306042
Who Is This ?
>>699306042
how does evolution work? lemme guess you don't know. people that still believe in intelligent design are just uneducated/ being willfully ignorant.
