truth or fiction? If so give your reasons.
>>699245704
true
My grandfather was one of them and i have a document from the french government proving he was deported from france to poland
>>699246150
Still he is alive somehow.
There still is no proof of mass gassings.
Truth until proven otherwise.
>>699247549
And not to mention there were no enough jews to die in those camps.
Not to mention after the war ended, they changed their theories of where the greatest death tolls took place.
Not to mention there was never a rebellion in a single camp.
>>699247873
Theres a teacup orbiting the sun.
True until proven otherwise.
>>699247984
Saved. The lack of basic physics and chemistry is just ridiculous with this whole thing.
>>699248088
Nigger, the holocaust has been substantiated. That has not.
>>699245704
I believe that there were but not as many deaths as they say. Mainly because I know how governments lie and how Jews exaggerate. History is always written by the victors. It can be very hard to cypher truth from fiction.
>>699248274
Theres really no physical evidence to support how many deaths are claimed. The official death toll has been changed more than 10 times and none of those changes required any substantiated evidence.
>>699247947
Because, of course, when you're being starved to death, rebellion and keeping notes are your main concern.
>>699247947
and you are wrong here,there were 3 rebellions, in Treblinka, Sobibór and in Aushwitz
>>699247984
Oh, of course.
>>699248477
Kek reverse image search shows that same picture attributed to dozens of different camps lmao
>>699248396
Watch some documents when you got the time. This fucking hypocritical claim of mass killing is pure bullshit. Even if it was true, Hitler isn't even close to the worst tyrant.
Much holocaust for muh double morals.
>>699248584
Really? Because all I'm seeing is Buchenwald. You're even lying to yourself.
Jasenovac. Even the nazis were horified when they saw it.
Also my great aunt got sent to a work camp in 42 and they did some experiments on her after which she was infertile.
>>699245704
truth, because hollywood told me so a few hundred times.
>>699249034
Civilize yourself. Don't let yourself to be fooled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQgrs5c4iRU
>>699249180
Not an argument. The ashes are from Buchenwald.
>>699247947
Note that none of this actually demonstrates that nobody died at Auschwitz, nor does it disprove a deliberate extermination campaign on the part o the Nazis. Assuming all of these images and the accompanying descriptions are accurate (which is hard to say, we pretty much have to take it at OP's word that they're all properly contextualized), all it shows is that Auschwitz was somewhat different than the public perception.
>>699247947
Image macros so nobody can reverse search. How clever of you.
>>699249058
Jasenovac wasn't Nazi camp, but Ustashian, from what i know.
>>699249235
>>699249331
Do research if you are intetested. Some things must be seen with time.
It took me weeks to allow myself to ask myself the question "what if?"
>>699249554
I have literally just done that. The ashes are conclusively from Buchenwald, and they are of incinerated Jews.
What if you're wrong?
>>699245704
fiction.
there was a document.
>>699249554
>>699249637
On the other hand, you have yet to provide evidence that you saw the ashes were from "dozens" of concentration camps according to reverse search.
>>699245704
Fiction, technically. It's in the wording - it says 'people'.
>>699247947
>>699247947
>red pill
Kill yourself faggot
>>699249728
This.
Kikes and slavs are subhumans.
>>699249554
Don't worry, I have, numerous times. And the conclusion I come to is always the same: The Nazis, with the aid of foreign collaborators, engaged in a campaign of repression, forced relocation, and extermination of various ethnic, political, and religious groups including Jews, Poles, Slavs, Gypsies, communists, trade unionists, homosexuals, and Jehovah's Witnesses. I've examined numerous arguments that attempt to prove otherwise, but I haven't found a single one to be convincing.
>>699249637
Everyone can be wrong. People died is those camps, there is no point denying that.
There were also dozens of other cultures and nations in those camps and somehow jews are the ones who we are destined to feel sorry for.
Also it is illegal in european countries to disagree with holocaust, you may even be imprisoned for an opinion today.
It has been stated in this thread many times that allied forces caused the starvation by annihilating the supply lines etc. and some of those camps even were bomber by the allied planes.
It's not too hard to see that something is going on here.
>>699245704
Fiction; the number is uncannily a round number. Killed on the even million mark; get the fuck out of here.
>>699249899
>Poles
>Slavs
It didnt happen, even if it did. Why is Hitler always the one vilified? Stalin was a truely ruthless cunt, and I wouldnt even know who the fuck Chairman Mao is unless I didnt see his face on those gigantic banners.
>>699245704
>at the hands of the nazi murders
Truth or fiction, this is an incredibly assblasted way to write!
>>699249899
People believe what they want, for them the truth is obsolete. Why arent there national sadness for the other nationalities too? Why just for jews?
>>699247947
Tell me, why does the photo of the 'Auschwitz inmate soccer team' feature a soccer ball with the word 'England' written on it?
>>699249721
I posted that, not the guy youre replying to.
>>699250160
Because Hitler was the worst person to ever have existed?
>>699248088
There's a dick in your mouth right now.
True until proven otherwise
>>699250063
>Everyone can be wrong.
And you're wrong about the ashes. They are from Buchenwald.
>People died is those camps, there is no point denying that.
Good.
>There were also dozens of other cultures and nations in those camps and somehow jews are the ones who we are destined to feel sorry for.
Five million of which were soviets, gays, disabled peoples, political opponents, and six million of which were Jews. Of course they're the figurehead.
>Also it is illegal in european countries to disagree with holocaust, you may even be imprisoned for an opinion today.
Irrelevant to whether they happened or not.
>It has been stated in this thread many times that allied forces caused the starvation by annihilating the supply lines etc. and some of those camps even were bomber by the allied planes.
You're the first person to mention that.
>It's not too hard to see that something is going on here.
Yes, six million Jews were killed.
>>699250295
Dunno. Does it even matter?
>>699250325
What concentration camps did you see they were from? Once again, all the results I've got were Buchenwald.
>>699249554
Apologies then, see the thing I replied to.
>>699247947
>>699250295
>>699250437
Found the photo. That's an English team at a POW camp, not from Auschwitz.
>>699250256
Probably because the Jews were the largest group of victims.
>>699250592
So you think one group of people is over the other?
No wonder people are so brainwashed.
>>699250339
I dont even understand what this means. Sarcasm ?
>>699245704
>truth or fiction?
Germans murdering Eastern European civilians en masse?
-True.
Muh six gorrilions?
-False. Nowadays jews are even blaming Polish people for holocaust. Guys who risked their lives to hide and save jews (pic related) are now also the bad guys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations#Number_of_awards_by_country
>>699249180
>This video is not available in your country
I'm from Germany, what the fuck.
>>699250416
I pretty much lost my interest to have an argument on "muh six gorillions".
You havent studied for shit, it was told you on the junior grade.
>>699245704
fiction
>>699251034
The cencorship kicked in?
Youll find other videos "the truth about hitler", and the story they dont want you to know.
>>699251034
hahah, nice censorship there mate
>>699251095
Do some reading nigger.
https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=lLaoQr-yhwYC&redir_esc=y
>>699250943
No dipshit, don't put words in my mouth. The Holocaust was a tragedy for every group of victims, and they should all be recognized equally. But since the Jews were the largest group of victims, they're often given prominence over the others.
>>699251253
>>699251516
Viewed via proxy. It's basically the same shit the USA does for a hundred years now. I don't care about jews, niggers, muslims or russians or w/e. Washington urgently needs a nuke.
>>699251542
You say I should take it for granted from jewish author? No way that is one sided and stands purely on objective manner, right?
>>699251914
How very funny of you to inject YOUR biased perception onto a Jew such that you are incapable of viewing a Jewish author of writing an objective book.
>>699251914
How convenient, now you don't have to go through the trouble of reading the book and risk changing your worldview.
>>699251594
I've always wondered why hating A.H is politically correct. He didn't even kill too many. Look at Staling and he is almost revered as a hero.
>>699252136
>Look at Staling(?) and he is almost revered as a hero.
Is your view of the world that warped?
>>699252136
Revered? By whom? As far as I know, most people remember him as a mass murderer as well.
>>699252087
They are known to lie and twist things for their own gain and there are dozrens of cases where they have been caught for a holocaust lies. I can't believe I wasted so much time on you, like having a conversation with a lamb.
Your only source of intel is junior grade class propaganda books and nothing else.
Se Dr. David Duke. Look it up.
>>699245704
there wasn't even 4 millon people on the planet then
>>699252297
>>699252402
He is the only man who is looked at objectively. The documents about A.H make me laugh since no one is even trying to hide picking their sides.
>>699252405
>They are known to lie and twist things for their own gain
[citation needed]
>dozrens of cases where they have been caught for a holocaust lies
Let's see those cases.
>. I can't believe I wasted so much time on you
Not.
>like having a conversation with a lamb.
An.
>Your only source of intel is junior grade class propaganda books and nothing else.
Argument.
>propaganda
Prove it.
>Se Dr. David Duke. Look it up.
I know who he is, and I know he is entirely irrelevant to the book and discussion.
>>699252555
And he is objectively a mass murderer. The same as Shitler.
>>699252587
See the pattern here?
>>699252405
Fun fact: David Duke received his doctorate in history from the Interregional Academy of Personnel Management, a neo-Nazi degree mill in Ukraine which was stripped of its accreditation in 2006.
>>699252991
Still no one has made any effort to prove him wrong. They just scream their antisemitism like they knew nothing else.
>>699252828
I do, but I don't see why that means they're all liars.
>>699253183
Then look deeper. I know you can do it.
>>699253179
You wouldn't try to prove someone wrong when they said Africans flew down from space in pyramidal space ships. And people have proved him wrong. Multiple times.
>>699253229
>Look deeper and prove my point for me, because I sure can't, but I know you can do it.
I've been on /pol/ since 2013, kid, and /b/ for a lot longer. I've seen every argument in the book and not one of them hasn't been proved wrong.
>>699253179
Fun fact: David Duke was convicted of felony tax fraud and mail fraud in 2002. He solicited donations from his supporters and blew the money on casinos.
>>699253428
Even if it's in front of you, you fail to see it. Jews run the majority of the media and they are in control.
>Look deeper and prove my point for me, because I sure can't, but I know you can do it.
There simply is no point to argue with people who already think they are right. Only source you've given me is a fucking jew written book and you expect me to swallow all of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vekf_2952U
I'll just leave this here.
>>699245704
This is the plaque at Auschwitz during USSR rule. It was revised to 1.5 million as soon as the West retook control.
>being surprised Ruskies exaggerated the death toll to cover for their own mass killings
It's not valuable evidence against the Holocaust, there's lots more far more serious redpills to hand out.
>The Destruction Of European Jews by Raul (((Hilberg))) gives a total death toll of 5.1 million, with highs and lows of 4.9 to 5.4 million
>muh 6 million
Lots to unpack about that whole period. Jews were killed though, you should have no doubt about that.
>>699253817
You can't argue because you have no argument, and no youtube speech with graphs about debt and pictures of Germany is going to discount the Holocaust.
>>699253552
Can you make this any easier?
>>699254072
In your eyes nothing is enough. You have your clouded worldview and the fact you don't even look at the material brought to you and still believe in your own superiority, it only proves that some people are too stupid to look further.
>>699254387
I could say exactly the same thing to you.
>>699254144
>implying putting some wiki text underneath it makes your picture true...
Fucking idiot.
>>699248088
burden of proof, you dipshit
your claim, you prove it true :)
>>699248665
So? All that means is it was ash/bone, who cares which camp it came from?
>>699254387
In fact, I'd call that projecting on your part. I looked at your video enough to know it was a Hitler speech, and enough to see the debt figures cited, and enough to know it wasn't proof against the Holocaust. You, on the other hand, refuse to read critically acclaimed and historically sound non-fiction because of the identity of the author.
>>699254563
It is not the actual death toll of the Holocaust, the Red Cross has stated this.
>>699254144
>leftist faking evidence again
>>699254603
Funniest part is that he lied even about that. All results point to it being from Buchenwald.
>>699254912
If you wanted to make a believable fake, you could have put in a fucking full stop at the end of the sentence, and, you know, making the box the correct size?
You can have another go if you like.
>>699252828
Mad that Jews are better than You?
>>699254925
Prove the evidence is fake.
>>699254616
The mistrust towards jews is as old as the jewry itself. They were hated from the very days of great Rome because they deceived everyone in every turn. Assuming you've looked into it, you already know this.
I don't believe your so called source because it's politicallt correct. I wont let other people make decisions about right and wrong opinions.
>>699254072
You can not prove the Holocaust did happen.
We can not prove it didn't happen.
I chose to believe the first statement.
>>699245704
Only 4 million?
I learned in school that 6 million jews died. What gives?
>>699252828
No, I see a lot of lies there.
>>699253817
Well fuming hurry up and show the "dozens of cases" and this will literally be an open and shut case
>>699252405
>>699255134
I don't need to prove the holocaust happened, hundreds of people have done so, and it still stands even after hundreds of blatantly false attacks.
The concept of political correctness didn't exist in the seventies.
>>699255057
>implying I give a fuck and wanted to make a fake for the Nazis to use.
I was just proving a fact that anyone can make shit up.
I'm not on either side of the argument, as I just don't give a fuck about the Jews, and Hitler had some good plans, who gives a fuck if he killed a few million on the way.
We're doing it now.
>>699250090
"6 Million!" is a mythic number, like "10 plagues" or "8 nights."
The "6 million Jews" number was used before even WWI - in equally dire tones about that many European Jews facing death.
"6 million" was even the number of Jews in the Roman Empire, according to historian Josephus.
So "6 million" is a mythic number, of meaning to Jews - but it's not historically real.
(But telling that to most Jews is like telling a Christian child there's no Santa - it's as upsetting as the world ending. Some Jews get it, but most just brain-lock.)
>>699248088
The Argument from Ignorance (also, Argumentum ad Ignorantiam): The fallacy that since we don’t know (or can never know, or cannot prove) whether a claim is true or false, it must be false (or that it must be true). E.g., “Scientists are never going to be able to positively prove their theory that humans evolved from other creatures, because we weren't there to see it! So, that proves the Genesis six-day creation account is literally true as written!” This fallacy includes Attacking the Evidence, e.g. "Some of your key evidence is missing, incomplete, or even faked! That proves I'm right!" This usually includes “Either-Or Reasoning:” E.g., “The vet can't find any reasonable explanation for why my dog died. See! See! That proves that you poisoned him! There’s no other logical explanation!” A corrupted argument from logos. A fallacy commonly found in American political, judicial and forensic reasoning.
>>699255329
Where is the proof it did happen?
There must be proof.
>>699245704
true
>1st hand testimony from :
>prisoners
>guards
>photos
>video
>rescuers
>>699255430
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1978.9969431
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/deniers_01.shtml
>>699250063
"There were also dozens of other cultures and nations in those camps and somehow jews are the ones who we are destined to feel sorry for."
So because there was a wide variety of cultures and nations (vast majority of those who were Jewish) in the camps, means we shouldn't feel sorry for the Jews? There are starving children in Africa and I still feel sorry for the Jews as well. Just because there are other horrible & inhuman things in the world doesn't mean you can't be sorry for them in paticular or in addition to others.
>>699254912
>>699254925
>>699254563
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0031322X.1978.9969431
>>699250371
This
>>699255590
Arr two links to propaganda.
I'll link the bible to the next people who deny God.
>>699253552
See here: >>699255630
>>699255702
And yet the first is sound.
Why is it propaganda?
>>699255767
Because it proves him wrong, idiot
DR. KAUFFMANN: With the agreement of the Tribunal, I now call the witness Hoess.
[The witness Hoess took the stand.]
THE PRESIDENT: Stand up. Will you state your name?
RUDOLF FRANZ FERDINAND HOESS (Witness): Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Hoess.
THE PRESIDENT: Will you repeat this oath after me: "I swear by God,the Almighty and Omniscient, that I will speak the pure truth,and will withhold and add nothing.
[The witness repeated the oath in German.]
THE PRESIDENT: Will you sit down?
DR. KAUFFMANN: Witness, your statements will have far-reaching significance. You are perhaps the only one who can throw some light upon certain hidden aspects, and who can tell which people gave the orders for the destruction of European Jewry, and can further state how this order was carried out and to what degree the execution was kept a secret.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Kauffmann, will you kindly put questions to the witness.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Yes.
[Turning to the witness.] From 1940 to 1943, you were the Commander of the camp at Auschwitz. Is that true?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And during that time, hundreds of thousands of human beings were sent to their death there. Is that correct?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUTFFMANN: Is it true that you, yourself, have made no exact notes regarding the figures of the number of those victims because you were forbidden to make them?
HOESS: Yes, that is correct.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it furthermore correct that exclusively one man by the name of Eichmann had notes about this, the man who had the task of organizing and assembling these people?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it furthermore true that Eichmann stated to you that in Auschwitz a total sum of more than 2 million Jews had been destroyed?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Men, women, and children?
HOESS: Yes.
>>699255238
Reactionaries posting sloppy and misleading infographics? Color me shocked!!
DR. KAUFFMANN: You were a participant in the World War?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then in 1922, you entered the Party?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Were you a member of the SS?
HOESS: Since 1934.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it true that you, in the year 1924, were sentenced to a lengthy term of hard labor because you participated in a so-called political murder?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then at the end of 1934, you went to the concentration camp of Dachau?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What task did you receive?
HOESS: At first, I was the leader of a block of prisoners and then I became clerk and finally, the administrator of the property of prisoners.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And how long did you stay there?
HOESS: Until 1938.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What job did you have from 1938 on and where were you then?
HOESS: In 1938 I went to the concentration camp at Sachsenhausen where, to begin with, I was adjutant to the commander and later on I became the head of the protective custody camp.
DR. KAUFFMANN: When were you commander at Auschwitz?
HOESS: I was commander at Auschwitz from May 1940 until December 1943.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What was the highest number of human beings, prisoners, ever held at one time at Auschwitz?
HOESS: The highest number of internees held at one time at Auschwitz, was about 140,000 men and women.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it true that in 1941 you were ordered to Berlin to see Himmler? Please state briefly what was discussed.
HOESS: Yes. In the summer of 1941 1 was summoned to Berlin to Reichsfáhrer SS Himmler to receive personal orders. He told me something to the effect--I do not remember the exact words--that the Fáffrer had given the order for a final solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, must carry out that order. If it is not carried out now then the Jews will later on destroy the German people. He had chosen Auschwitz on account of its easy access by rail and also because the extensive site offered space for measures ensuring isolation.
DR. KAUFFMANN: During that conference did Himmler tell you that this planned action had to be treated as a secret Reich matter?
HOESS: Yes. He stressed that point. He told me that I was not even allowed to say anything about it to my immediate superior Gruppenfáhrer Glácks. This conference concerned the two of us only and I was to observe the strictest secrecy.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What was the position held by Glácks whom you have just mentioned?
HOESS: Gruppenfáhrer Glácks was, so to speak, the inspector of concentration camps at that time and he was immediately subordinate to the Reichsfáhrer.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Does the expression "secret Reich matter" mean that no one was permitted to make even the slightest allusion to outsiders without endangering his own life?
HOESS: Yes, "secret Reich matter" means that no one was allowed to speak about these matters with any person and that everyone promised upon his life to keep the utmost secrecy.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you happen to break that promise?
HOESS: No, not until the end of 1942.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Why do you mention that date? Did you talk to outsiders after that date?
>>699255630
>>699255590
So it was basicly genocide.
Like what the western world is doing to the middle east, and what the middle east is doing to their own kind.
So what's the big deal over the Germans?
Why do you need such a special name as the holocaust?
HOESS: At the end of 1942 my wife's curiosity was aroused by remarks made by the then Gauleiter of Upper Silesia, regarding happenings in my camp. She asked me whether this was the truth and I admitted that it was. That was my only breach of the promise I had given to the Reichsfáhrer. Otherwise I have never talked about it to anyone else.
DR. KAUFFMANN: When did you meet Eichmann?
HOESS: I met Eichmann about 4 weeks after having received that order from the Reichsfáhrer. He came to Auschwitz to discuss the details with me on the carrying out of the given order. As the Reichsfáhrer had told me during our discussion, he had instructed Eichmann to discuss the carrying out of the order with me and I was to receive all further instructions from him.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Will you briefly tell whether it is correct that the camp of Auschwitz was completely isolated, describing the measures taken to insure as far as possible the secrecy of carrying out of the task given to you.
HOESS: The Auschwitz camp as such was about 3 kilometers away from the town. About 20,000 acres of the surrounding country had been cleared of all former inhabitants, and the entire area could be entered only by SS men or civilian employees who had special passes. The actual compound called "Birkenau," where later on the extermination camp was constructed, was situated 2 kilometers from the Auschwitz camp. The camp installations themselves, that is to say, the provisional installations used at first were deep in the woods and could from nowhere be detected by the eye. In addition to that, this area had been declared a prohibited area and even members of the SS who did not have a special pass could not enter it. Thus, as far as one could judge, it was impossible for anyone except authorized persons to enter that area.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then the railway transports arrived. During what period did these transports arrive and about how many people, roughly, were in such a transport?
>>699245704
The truth is I don't care.
HOESS: During the whole period up until 1944 certain operations were carried out at irregular intervals in the different countries, so that one cannot speak of a continuous flow of incoming transports. It was always a matter of 4 to 6 weeks. During those 4 to 6 weeks two to three trains, containing about 2,000 persons each, arrived daily. These trains were first of all shunted to a siding in the Birkenau region and the locomotives then went back. The guards who had accompanied the transport had to leave the area at once and the persons who had been brought in were taken over by guards belonging to the camp.
They were there examined by two SS medical officers as to their fitness for work. The internees capable of work at once marched to Auschwitz or to the camp at Birkenau and those incapable of work were at first taken to the provisional installations, then later to the newly constructed crematoria.
DR. KAUFFMANN: During an interrogation I had with you the other day you told me that about 60 men were designated to receive these transports, and that these 60 persons, too, had been bound to the same secrecy described before. Do you still maintain that today?
HOESS: Yes, these 60 men were always on hand to take the internees not capable of work to these provisional installations and later on to the other ones. This group, consisting of about ten leaders and subleaders, as well as doctors and medical personnel, had repeatedly been told, both in writing and verbally, that they were bound to the strictest secrecy as to all that went on in the camps.
>>699248453
yeah but from soviet soldier if i remember correctly ... not the jew
DR. KAUFFMANN: Were there any signs that might show an outsider who saw these transports arrive, that they would be destroyed or was that possibility so small because there was in Auschwitz an unusually large number of incoming transports, shipments of goods and so forth?
HOESS: Yes, an observer who did not make special notes for that purpose could obtain no idea about that because to begin with not only transports arrived which were destined to be destroyed but also other transports. arrived continuously, containing new internees who were needed in the camp. Furthermore, transports likewise left the camp in sufficiently large numbers with internees fit for work or exchanged prisoners.
The trains themselves were closed, that is to say, the doors of the freight cars were closed so that it was not possible, from the outside, to get a glimpse of the people inside. In addition to that, up to 100 cars of materials, rations, et cetera, were daily rolled into the camp or continuously left the workshops of the camp in which war material was being made.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And after the arrival of the transports were the victims stripped of everything they had? Did they have to undress completely; did they have to surrender their valuables? Is that true?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then they immediately went to their death?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you, according to your knowledge, did these people know what was in store for them?
HOESS: The majority of them did not, for steps were taken to keep them in doubt about it and suspicion would not arise that they were to go to their death. For instance, all doors and all walls bore inscriptions to the effect that they were going to undergo a delousing operation or take a shower. This was made known in several languages to the internees by other internees who had come in with earlier transports and who were being used as auxiliary crews during the whole action.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then, you told me the other day, that death by gassing set in within a period of 3 to 15 minutes. Is that correct?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: You also told me that even before death finally set in, the victims fell into a state of unconsciousness?
HOESS: Yes. From what I was able to find out myself or from what was told me by medical officers, the time necessary for reaching unconsciousness or death varied according to the temperature and the number of people present in the chambers. Loss of consciousness took place within a few seconds or a few minutes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you yourself ever feel pity with the victims, thinking of your own family and children?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: How was it possible for you to carry out these actions in spite of this?
HOESS: In view of all these doubts which I had, the only one and decisive argument was the strict order and the reason given for it by the Reichsfáhrer Himmler.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you whether Himmler inspected the camp and convinced himself, too, of the process of annihilation?
HOESS: Yes. Himmler visited the camp in 1942 and he watched in detail one processing from beginning to end.
DR. KAUFMANN: Does the same apply to Eichmann?
HOESS: Eichmann came repeatedly to Auschwitz and was intimately acquainted with the proceedings.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did the Defendant Kaltenbrunner ever inspect the camp?
HOESS: No.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you ever talk with Kaltenbrunner with reference to your task?
HOESS: No, never. I was with Obergruppenfáhrer Kaltenbrunner on only one single occasion.
DR. KAUFFMANN: When was that?
HOESS: That was one day after his birthday in the year 1944.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And what was the subject of that conference which you have just mentioned?
>>699252461
I just screenshot that, sides are fuckn burning.
HOESS: It concerned a report from the camp at Mauthausen on the so-called nameless internees and their engagement in armament industry. Obergruppenfáhrer Kaltenbrunner was to make a decision on the matter. For that reason I came to him with the report from the commander at Mauthausen but he did not make a decision telling me he would do so later.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Regarding the location of Mauthausen, will you please state in which district Mauthausen is situated. Is that Upper Silesia or is it the Government General?
HOESS: Mauthausen . . .
DR. KAUFFMANN: Auschwitz, I beg your pardon, I made a mistake. I mean Auschwitz.
HOESS: Auschwitz is situated in the former state of Poland. Later, after 1939, it was incorporated in the province of Upper Silesia.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it right for me to assume that administration and feeding of concentration camps were exclusively under the control of the Main Economic and Administrative Office?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: A department which is completely separated from the RSHA?
HOESS: Quite correct.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then from 1943 until the end of the war, you were one of the chiefs in the Inspectorate of the Main Economic and Administrative Office?
HOESS: Yes, that is correctly stated.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Do you mean by that, that you are particularly well informed on everything occurring in concentration camps regarding the treatment and the methods applied?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you, therefore, first of all, whether you have any knowledge regarding the treatment of internees, whether certain methods became known to you according to which they were tortured and cruelly treated? Please formulate your statement according to periods, up to 1939 and after 1939.
HOESS: Until the outbreak of war in 1939, the situation in the camps regarding feeding, accommodations, and treatment of internees, was the same as in any other prison or penitentiary in the Reich. The internees were treated severely, but methodical beatings or ill-treatments were out of the question. The Reichsfáhrer gave frequent orders that every SS man who laid violent hands on an internee would be punished; and several times SS men who did ill-treat internees were punished.
Feeding and billeting at that time were on the same basis as those of other prisoners under legal administration.
The accommodations in the camps during those years were still normal because the mass influxes at the outbreak of the war and during the war had not yet taken place. When the war started and when mass deliveries of political internees arrived, and, later on, when prisoners who were members of the resistance movements arrived from the occupied territories, the construction of buildings and the extensions of the camps could no longer keep pace with the number of incoming internees. During the first years of the war this problem could still be overcome by improvising measures; but later, due to the exigencies of the war, this was no longer possible ' since there were practically no building materials any more at our disposal. And, furthermore, rations for the internees were again and again severely curtailed by the provincial economic administration offices.
This then led to a situation where internees in the camps no longer had the staying power to resist the now gradually growing epidemics.
The main reason why the prisoners were in such bad condition towards the end of the war, why so many thousands of them were found sick and emaciated in the camps, was that every, internee had to be employed in the armament industry to the extreme limit of his forces.
One of two.
>>699255430
The proof is the same kind of proof the Inquisition used - doubt the dogma and they'll destroy you.
It's the same kind of proof all truths get...isn't it?
Wouldn't want people questioning anything so very, very profitable.
>>699255767
>>699255865
But it's not proof of how many died.
Christianity killed more people, religion has killed more in a shorter time-frame sometimes.
Just because it was the fucking Jews? That's your problem? Self-righteous cunts.
The Reichsfáhrer constantly and on every occasion kept this goal before our eyes, and also proclaimed it through the Chief of the Main Economic and Administrative Office, Obergruppenfáhrer Pohl, to the concentration camp, commanders and administrative leaders during the so-called commanders' meetings.
Every commander was told to make every effort to achieve this. The aim was not to have as many dead as possible or to destroy as many internees as possible; the Reichsfáhrer was constantly concerned with being able to engage all forces available in the armament industry.
Two of two.
>>699256057
because they lost the war and Winner" needed someting for propaganda to reeducate the normal peopel in germany
DR. KAUFFMANN: There is no doubt that the longer the war lasted, the larger became the number of the ill-treated and tortured inmates. Whenever you inspected the concentration camps did you not learn something of this state of affairs through complaints, et cetera, or do you consider that the conditions which have been described are more or less due to excesses?
HOESS: These so-called ill-treatments and this torturing in concentration camps, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners that were liberated by the occupying armies, were not, as assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual leaders, subleaders, and men who laid violent hands on internees.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Do you mean you never took cognizance of these matters?
HOESS: If in any way such a case came to be known, then the perpetrator was, of course, immediately relieved of his post or transferred somewhere else. So that, even if he were not punished f or lack of evidence to prove his guilt, even then, he was taken away from the internees and given another position.
DR. KAUFFMANN: To what do you attribute the particularly bad and shameful conditions, which were ascertained by the entering Allied troops, and which to a certain extent were photographed and filmed?
HOESS: The catastrophic situation. at the end of the war was due to the fact that, as a result of the destruction of the railway network and of the continuous bombing of the industrial plants, care for these masses--I am thinking of Auschwitz with its 140,000 internees--could no longer be assured. Improvised measures, truck columns, and everything else tried by the commanders to improve the situation were of little or no avail; it was no longer possible. The number of the sick became immense. There were next to no medical supplies; epidemics raged everywhere. Internees who were capable of work were used over and over again. By order of the Reichsfáhrer, even half-sick people had to be used wherever possible in industry. As a result every bit of space in the concentration. camps which could possibly be used for lodging was overcrowded with sick and dying prisoners.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I am now asking you to look at the map which is mounted behind you. The red dots represent concentration camps. I will first ask you how many concentration camps as such existed at the end of the war?
HOESS: At the end of the war there were still 13 concentration camps. All the other points which are marked here on the map mean so-called labor camps attached to the armament industry situated there. The concentration camps, of which there are 13 as I have already said, were the, center and the central point of some district, such as the camp at Dachau in Bavaria, or the camp of Mauthausen in Austria; and all the labor camps in that district were under the control of the concentration camp. That camp had then to supply these outside camps, that is to say, they had to supply them with workers, exchange the sick inmates and furnish clothing; the guards, too, were supplied by the concentration camp.
From 1944 on, the supplying of food was almost exclusively a matter of the individual armament industries in order to give the prisoners the benefit of the wartime supplementary rations.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What became known to you about so-called medical experiments on living internees?
HOESS: Medical experiments were carried out in several camps. For instance, in Auschwitz there were experiments on sterilization carried out by Professor Klaubert and Dr. Schumann; also experiments on twins by SS medical officer Dr. Mengele.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Do you know the medical officer Dr. Rascher?
HOESS: In Dachau he was a medical officer of the Luftwaffe who carried out experiments, on internees who had been sentenced to death, about the resistance of the human body to cold and in high pressure chambers.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Can you tell whether such experiments carried out within the camp were known to a large circle?
HOESS: Such experiments, just like all other matters, were, of course, called "secret Reich matters." However, it could not be avoided that the experiments became known since they were carried out in a large camp and must have been seen in some way by the inmates. I cannot say, however, to what extent the outside world learned about these experiments.
DR. KAUFFMANN: You explained to me that orders for executions were received in the camp at Auschwitz, and you told me that until the outbreak of war such orders were few, but that later on they became more numerous. Is that correct?
HOESS: Yes. There were hardly any executions until the beginning of the war--only in particularly serious cases. I remember one case in Buchenwald where an SS man had been attacked and beaten to death by internees, and the internees were later hanged.
DR. KAUFFMANN: But during the war--and that you will admit--the number of executions increased, and not inconsiderably.
HOESS: That had already started with the beginning of the war.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Was the basis for these execution orders in many cases a legal sentence of German courts?
>>699256351
So you know the death camps killed people then? And what is you point about Christianity?
HOESS: No. Orders for the executions carried out in the camps came from the RSHA.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Who signed the orders for executions which you received? Is it correct that occasionally you received orders for executions which bore the signature "Kaltenbrunner," and that these were not the originals but were teleprints; which therefore had the signature in typewritten letters?
HOESS: It is correct. The originals of execution orders never came to the camps. The original of these orders either arrived at the Inspectorate of the Concentration Camps, from where they were transmitted by teletype to the camps concerned, or, in urgent cases, the RSHA sent the orders directly to the camps concerned, and the Inspectorate was then only informed, so that the signatures in the camps were always only in teletype.
DR. KAUFFMANN: So as to again determine the signatures, will you tell the Tribunal whether the overwhelming majority of all execution orders either bore the signature of Himmler or that of Máller in the years before the war and until the end of the war.
HOESS: Only very few teletypes which I have ever seen came from the Reichsfáhrer and still fewer from the Defendant Kaltenbrunner. Most of them, I could say practically all, were signed "Signed Máller."
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is that the Máller with whom you repeatedly talked about such matters as you stated earlier?
HOESS: Gruppenfáhrer Máller was the Chief of Department IV in the RSHA. He had to negotiate with the Inspectorate about all matters connected with concentration camps.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Would you say that you went to see the Gestapo Chief Máller because you, on the strength of your experience, were of the opinion that this man because of his years of activities was acting almost independently?
HOESS: That is quite right. I had to negotiate all matters regarding concentration camps with Gruppenfáhrer Máller. He was informed on all these matters, and in most cases he would make an immediate decision.
DR., KAUFFMANN: Well, so as to have a clear picture, did you ever negotiate these matters with the defendant?
HOESS: No.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you learn that towards the end of the war concentration camps were evacuated? And, if so, who gave the orders?
HOESS: Let me explain. Originally there was an order from the Reichsfáhrer, according to which camps, in the event of the approach of the enemy or in case of air attacks, were to be surrendered to the enemy. Later on, due to the case of Buchenwald, which had been reported to the Fáhrer, there was--no, at the beginning of 1945, when various camps came within the operational sphere of the enemy, this order was withdrawn. The Reichsfáhrer ordered the Higher SS and Police Leaders, who in an emergency case were responsible for the security and safety of the camps, to decide themselves whether an evacuation or a surrender was appropriate.
Auschwitz and Gross-Rosen were evacuated. Buchenwald was also to be evacuated, but then the order from the Reichsfáhrer came through to the effect that on principle no more camps were to be evacuated. Only prominent inmates and inmates who were not to fall into Allied hands under any circumstances were to be taken away to other camps. This also happened in the case of Buchenwald. After Buchenwald had been occupied, it was reported to the Fáhrer that internees had armed themselves and were carrying out plunderings in the town of Weimar. This caused the Fáhrer to give the strictest order to Himmler to the effect that in the future no more camps were to fall into the hands of the enemy, and that no internees capable of marching would be left behind in any camp.
One of two.
This was shortly before the end of the war, and shortly before northern and southern Germany were cut. I shall speak about the Sachsenhausen camp. The Gestapo chief, Gruppenfáhrer Máller, called me in the evening and told me that the Reichsfáhrer had ordered that the camp at Sachsenhausen was to be evacuated at once. I pointed out to Gruppenfáhrer Máller what that would mean. Sachsenhausen could no longer fall back on any other camp except perhaps on a few labor camps attached to the armament works that were almost filled up anyway. Most of the internees would have to be sheltered in the woods somewhere. This would mean countless thousands of deaths and, above all it would be impossible to feed these masses of people. He promised me that he would again discuss these measures with the Reichsfáhrer He called me back and told me that the Reichsfáhrer had refused and was demanding that the commanders carry out his orders immediately.
At the same time Ravensbráck was also to be evacuated in the same manner but it could no longer be done. I do not know to what extent camps in southern Germany were cleared, since we, the Inspectorate, no longer had any connections with southern Germany.
Two of two.
DR. KAUFFMANN: It has been maintained here--and this is my last question--that the Defendant Kaltenbrunner gave the order that Dachau and two auxiliary camps were to be destroyed by bombing or with poison. I ask you, did you hear anything about this; if not, would you consider such an order possible?
HOESS: I have never heard anything about this, and I do not know anything either about an order to evacuate any camps in southern Germany, as I have already mentioned. Apart from that, I consider it quite impossible that a camp could be destroyed by this method.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I have no further questions.
>>699256057
Why are you trying to justify a genocide?
>>699256861
kek, let's see how may reichaboos response to this
>>699256359
There's a great documentary interviewing Robert McNamara called "The Fog Of War." In it he talks about the Allied firebombings of Europe and Japan, and how the only thing that made the Germans "war criminals" and the Allies not war criminals was...the Allies won.
The film's up on YT, well worth viewing (also deeply disturbing).
>>699256525
Christianity killed more people than ww2 who died on both sides and in "death camps".
No I don't deny the death camps and people where killed, but it was war, they had the mainland and did a good job of taking over it. Did you expect them to feed and look after prisoners when they could barley feed their own army?
I do not see what all this shit is about.
As a free man in a so called free country I can say, think aor deny anything I fucking wish.
And I have not been given, shown or told any truth behind the number killed be the Germans in WWII. I have read a fucktone of shit and I have read all this shit this other anon is posting, and watched docs on it.
No proof of the numbers.
And if you are just bitching because it was Jews then you are a bunch of cunts.
>>699245704
2191 per day
91 per hour (night and day)
doesn't seem feasible given the " gas chamber " and having to remove all those bodies and fill the chamber again and in and out through the same door.. door.. singular.. carrying bodies..
>>699256861
Sorry mate, people either won't reply or they'll stop replying to the thread altogether. You shouldn't have wasted your time trying to convince these delusional morons.
>>699256932
We, the western world have done worse, are doing worse, religion has done worse.
It was war.
Why do you make such a big deal over it is the question.
post jew memes
>>699257208
I'm not making a big deal over it. Why are you pretending it never happened?
Zyklon-B lice disinfectant is a ridiculous, expensive and inefficient way to get rid of your kike problem.
They claim that they were stripped naked and led single-file into "gas chambers" at Treblinka. Well if they were controlled to that extent, why not simply route them into rooms where they get their heads chopped off in a no-nonsense procedure like you'd use on a chicken farm?
Let's not forget that during the Nuremberg trials, even more fantastic claims were made- special electric rooms that would cremate the kike, nuclear explosions that would vaporize the kike, on and on...
If you have 4 free hours to spare, this show destroys the kike lie with a mixture of pure logic and reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE
>>699257254
>>699257288
You can try and derail it all you want, the testimony is still there.
>>699245704
You'd need to kill roughly 92 people an hour for 5 years non stop. No sleep, no lunch, nothing. 92 people an hour non stop for 5 years to reach this number. The holocaust is bullshit
>>699245704
Truth.
Cause if the Trail of Tears, the slave trade, the crusades, jihad, the rhawandan genocide, and the US interning japs in WW2 are all true... is THIS really a stretch?
>>699245704
My grandad was at the liberation of Bergen-Belsen and he was very angered at anyone asserting it didn't happen.
He died 10 years ago and it haunted him to the very last.
>>699257280
I'm saying the number are not true and you are blowing things out of proportion.
I have never said there was not a war and that people died on both sides and people caught as prisoners did not die or get killed.
Religion is a fucking joke, and again, it's just because there was a lot of Jews.
There are a lot of muslims dieing in the world today, at the hands of muslims, probably more people being killed by them than what the Germans killed in your "holocaust".
So just shut the fuck up and let it go.
No one cares.
>>699257324
Because demanding your troops behead that many people would be bad for moral.
Its gross work disposing of bodies.
Better to have the jews dig the holes and move the bodies. Gas everyone en masse then your men dont have to do it.
>>699257671
>this is what Jews actually believe.
>>699257083
Try doing the calculations on how much energy it would take to burn that many bodies. It's ludicrously high, effectively impossible - Germany would have had to made destroying Jews their sole reason for existing, leaving a 2-front war for their very survival as an afterthought.
Of course, to a people suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder that makes perfect sense.
They're so weak and helpless - of course all of WWII was all about them!
Yes, Jews (and lots of other people) died in WWII. No, the "6 million" didn't happen.
>>699247549
There is evidience and records that they did gas people. The only thing really up for disput is how many they killed. Personally I think the number is probably less than what is generally agreed upon but still in the millions.
>>699257807
>bad for moral
kek
This goes against the kike lie.
In the Stephen Spielberg movie "The Last Days", this bitch claimed that Nazis enjoyed ripping kike babies in half by the legs, for pure enjoyment. So you can't have it both ways and claim that the Nazis had too much sensitivity to chop heads off. #fuckoffkike
>>699257067
Yes Christianity did kill more people, what does that have do do with Jews being gassed?
>>699254603
no one argues that people died, and thus were cremated.
Many were sick, and the lice were spreading diseases. (lice were a huge problem in WWI, later on they invented a way to clean the clothes from: using zyclon-B).
>>699254859
actually, the exact figures were unknown until 1989, since the camp administration was locked up in Russia for decades and never seen in the west.
(Russians liberated auschwitz)
>>699255134
It's really easy to prove that it happend. On the other hand nobody has brought up convincing evidience to that it didn't. Reality may not be pretty and sometimes things don't end happily. Deal with it and grow the fuck up.
>>699258327
Spielberg unintentionally fucked himself over with his Shoah project, since in the interviews some of the survivors talked about how well they were treated...ooops.
>>699258200
>muh evidience and records...
Lie.
Gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter visited Auschwitz, took samples, analyzed the camp layout, and proved there were no gas chambers at site.
The kike then proceeded to spend millions destroying the man's life, including creating a multi-million dollar film production to attack the man's character. This is what happens to anyone who challenges the Hollywood version of WWII, such as chemist Germar Rudolf, renowned Historian David Irving, publisher Ernst Zündel and on and on...
>>699256861
Thanks for posting.
>>699257324
Switzerland
>>699250988
>Nowadays jews are even blaming Polish people for holocaust. Guys who risked their lives to hide and save jews (pic related) are now also the bad guys.
So how exactely did the Germans manage to indentify all those polish jews? The average German back than didn't speak a second language. How did they manage to indentify a certain group of poeple in a foreign country whose language they didn't speak?
>>699259399
I'm going to need a source on that you delusional fuckwit. And I swear to god if it's some infowars bullshit.
>>699259723
The hills are alive... with the sound of censorship.
>>699250416
Alright from the looks of it youre arguing with an implfication of a moral high ground at the base of your arguement and then stacking on top of it. Fine Jews were killed but I proclaim my disbelief that there was no way 11 million people (adding your two provided figures) coldve died in those camps. Until you get off your high horse and down to earh explain how ovens could kill 11 million people then my belief stands, and youre just gettinf triggered.
>>699260237
Thanks, saving for later.
>>699259918
A source?
Can't you just "google" the man's name or whatnot?
>>699259399
Jews do NOT run Hollywood - and if you say it once more you'll never work in this town again.
>>699259399
>Gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter
Lie.
Spielberg's Hoax - The Last Days of The Big Lie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8
The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax (2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbRNSGQUs
>>699256861
Yet we have no proof whether it's an actual testimony, or that of a biased one, taking in account the direction of the war and possible promises of being granted "passage" to further life by lying about the events of the concentration camps.
The allies had already torn up his country, the mere possibility of the US letting him live being an option would be the first thing anyone went for. Plus, how do you explain americans hiring nazi scientists and doctors to further their own cause?
>>699257324
Blocked in Germany too.
>>699261108
kek
underrated
>>699261367
The Germans asserted the Hess giving testimony was an imposter - the real Hess having been captured in a secret peace-making trip to Britain (using back channels to reach some of the Peers because genocidal drunkard Churchill had always been hell-bent on the utter destruction of Germany).
>>699259759
>The average German back than didn't speak a second language
You don't need everybody speak a second language. Armies often have bi-lingual translators in there if they need them.
>>699261249
Well he made a living designing gas chambers for US prisons, so if that doesn't make him an expert on gas chambers... aw fuck it.
YOU CAN'T WIN AN ARGUMENT VS THE KIKE
>>699261941
It's exactly like Luke refusing to believe Darth Vader is his father. The truth is too overwhelming for him to accept, so all he can do is say it's a lie.
The real Holocaust denial is denying the story is a myth.
>>699262303
In the original Star Wars, Darth Vader's chest plate had shit written on it in kikespeak. Just an interesting FYI.
>>699261941
>>699262303
>THE COURT: How do you function as an engineer if you don't have an engineering degree?
>THE WITNESS: Well, I would question, Your Honour, what an engineering degree is. I have a Bachelor of Arts degree and I have the required background training both on the college level and in the field to perform my function as an engineer.
>THE COURT: Who determines that? You?
Her Majesty the Queen vs. Ernst Zündel, District Court of Ontario 1988
After his conclusions were scientifically disproven and publicity ensued, Leuchter lost his positions as consultant to American prisons.
>>699261758
>You don't need everybody speak a second language. Armies often have bi-lingual translators in there if they need them.
No fag, you need a shitload of collaborators. Polish post war propaganda conveniently forgot about that, of course.
>>699263154
Wow.
The kike used some limey bitch to pressure american lackeys to fire a gas chamber engineer...
I guess the joos were skinned to make leather goods and cooked into bars of soap after all.
>>699245704
I'll pull the asshole card but at this point, It's now in the past. Whatever truly happened happened. Those and their families who know, know and those that don't get to judge and make assumptions.
It was war, shit was brutal, evil shit happened. It's our grandparents had to see the shitty ordeals of that war and heres where I be a douche "It's now folklore to us now. We can say whatever we were told, taught, think" But we did not experience the attrocities that happened in the war thank god.
Again you will all assblast me for bringing up slavery but you know what? It is over. We are a different Humanity now even at times with the same hate but move the fuck on and make this world a better place.
My opinion on if it happened or not means nothing. My grandfather was just in the Canadian Navy. I'm sure a lot of you got fucked up stories from your grandparents as well. Was every story 100% true? Who knows man is fallible and each and every one of us sees something a little different if we caught or saw lets say a gulag or death camp etc.
Shit happened, move along. Move forward in the world.
>>699264004
I agree.
Let's "move forward" as this retard says, and gas der juden once and for all.
>>699252087
no even objectivly having a jew write about mass killings of jews isnt going to be objectiv. he will be biased regardless of the facts.
>>699252991
>stripped of its accreditation
Not by me.
Any academy with the balls to stand up to the kike lobby is respectable and accredited in my book.
>>699262799
Having seen that original costume up close, I always thought that was just model dept. scribble for "Wash" "Rinse" and "Spin."
>>699265923
coffee
cocoa
hot water
>>699245704
Exaggeration.
You only need to look at the amount of time it takes modern crematoriums to cremate a body, the number of cremation ovens in Nazi Germany, and the number of supposed victims. It couldn't have possibly been more than a million and a half even counting the mass graves of bodies that were not cremated.
The 6 million figure comes from an old prophecy about jews returning to Israel after a holocaust of six million, and the bodycount of the nazi death camps was exaggerated to "fulfill" this prophecy.
>>699263154
Well golly, then we should have most of Silicon Valley ask the world to stop using electronics and the internet - since large parts of them were created and developed by people without court-approved degrees.
So just throw your phone and computer in the trash and get back to us when you're done.
Oh, don't forget to stop using AC power - since Tesla was a dropout.
Appeal-to-authority fuckwit.
>>699247873
I shot a load into your mom's ear, true until proven otherwise.
>>699247984
you do know that no one has ever said that all the people were killed in one place, by gas, at one time, and disposed of by cremation? You do know that millions were killed in mass shootings all over the eastern front? that people were worked, beaten and starced to death? that disease killed millions? that mass graves, and piles of ash, were found? that tens of thousands were marched away from the camps in the last weeks, to die on the march, or be executed?
you do know that don't you? You are just trolling, badly, aren't you? Or are you just entirely ignorant and repeating stupid lies, for fun, or out of some blighted moronic state?
>>699264004
Every goddamn day the Holocau$t industry sucks money from the rest of humanity.
Worse still, Israel justifies its existence and genocidal dreams with the Holocau$t.
Make that sort of shit go away - and while we're at it, have the thieves pay reparations to those who they robbed using the Hoax as the justification - and maybe then we can agree to move on.
>>699248200
only if the stupid idea is put forward that everyone was killed in the same place and all were cremated - which is obviously not the case.
If six million jews did die during the so-called holocaust, this would be seen in the official census numbers. However, there were barely 5-6 millions jews in europe at the time of WW2.
After the supposed gassings, there were still millions left.
All the camps the US forces liberated were designated as extermination or death camps. The ones the soviets found, were called work camps.
The "official" holocaust story is fake. Nuremberg trials were a farce.
They tortured the "truth" out of couple of officials, hanged / shot them and called it a day.
Most deaths in the camps were from starvation, typhus and other disease.
Doesn't make the actions of the nazis okay, but it makes a huge crack to the official holocaust story and the events that followed.
Fucking kikes..
>>699245704
Sort of true but completely exaggerated, as the crimes of the losing side tend to be. It's a historical phenomenon constantly re-occurring in an attempt to dehumanize the enemy and justify killing them. This one has been magnified further to serve as the uber-guilt trip by Israel and those supporting their interests.
There have been very few wars throughout history where the enemy was not either dehumanized to justify their death, or exaggerated to make the victory seem greater. Countless examples of this can be found, if we look at things in a manner even resembling objectivity. the "300 spartans" for example, fighting against an army that drained rivers and shook the earth, was clearly intended to raise the morale of those fighting Persia.
Agathocles of Syracuse justified the murder of the oligarchs that reigned before him by magnifying their faults and corruptions.
During the first world war there were tales of 'bone factories' where bones of POW's were used to fabricate explosives, these were later discounted.
During the second world war and shortly afterwards tales of Jews being turned into lampshades or soap surfaced, but with the advent of forensic science these were discounted and dropped. The exaggeration that has clearly occurred with the holocaust has now been secured, for a time, by outlawing any questioning of it in many countries. Any person in the EU is guilty of hate speech if they speak of the Holocaust in a way that offends the group it was perpetrated on, which means that any questioning is, in effect, illegal.
We are told about these horrors from a young age, told that any questioning is in essence part of a quest to repeat those same crimes, that any questioning trivializes the deaths.
This has been going on for so long that it is ingrained in the minds of many, the Holocaust is an unquestionable fact, the be-all end-all of terror and criminality. The sixty million who reportedly died under communism in the USSR go ignored.
>>699248396
Does this sort of inhuman and anti human commenting make you feel big and clever? I mean, I get it that you are lying, and ignorant, but does it make you feel clever?
>>699266582
>Appeal-to-authority
You really ought to understand what this means if you're to use it.
>>699266375
lol
>>699267139
posting the truth is now anti-human?
You are out of arguments shlomo and you go for the "muh feelings" -last option :D
>>699248900
I do not think that saying someone only killed a few million people makes them any less of a monster than someone who killed a few million more. also, if you do any study at all of Hitler's management style, he was not a leader in the way you portray. He was surrounded by chronies who aere scared of him and tried to please him by doing even more extreme things - so they ramped up his whims (we should do something about the jews, I don't like them) into elaborate and eventually mass killing schemes. But Hitler knew of the labour camps, the death marches and the extermination teams and later the camps - he was responsible
>>699267051
Maybe it's like Hanukkah - even after killing 6 million there were still millions left.
>>699247947
Bad b8, fgt
>>699267051
Kek, you can't even keep your story straight.
All of the extermination camps were in Poland, which means they would've been liberated by the Soviets, not the Western Allies.
>>699245704
LIE
>>699247984
mind me asking how you got those figures?
4,000,000 Jews divided by 5 years are
800,000 Jews being burnt per year.
1 year has 365 days, so 800,000 Jews divided by 356 are around 2,192 Jews being killed per day, over that whole period.
even if we change the figure to 6,000,000 Jews, that doesn't amount to 8,000 being killed every day
>>699267385
To doubt the Holocaust is to doubt G-d!
And G-d says you need to keep paying.
>>699249477
>Jasenovac.
set up with German orders and help and received prisoners from german occupied territories - not all monsters were German, just as not all Germans were monsters...
>>699249825
>>699249728
oh so edgy, and so so sad.
I pity you.
>>699267547
Yeah, estimating the number of victims is hard because not all of the prisoners were registered, and the Germans destroyed some of their records towards the end of the war.
>>699260282
It has, however, been stated many times in this thread that those 11 people came about their end through various ways.
Maybe a couple of million found their deaths in those gas chambers.
>>699250256
I live in a French town called Figeac. there is a memorial to the three hundred French men who were taken to be slave labourers, of whom only thirty returned. A few miles away is Gabaudet - wher the SS rounded up 100 resistance fighters and shipped them off to the death camps. a few miles further on is Gramat, where in the town square is a memorial to the mayor who sheltered jews in his house, and who was shot for his decency, along with the children he had tried to protect.
your ignorance is I am sure based on your distance from these places. half the roads in this area have a memorial to those killed there by the nazis. I assume you do not have such memorials near you. be glad of that.
>>699267691
you are not suppose to understand Holocaust .... just except what we telling you and feel guilty
>>699256861
What a person will say to try and save their neck
>how's the weather in Tel-aviv , Kike?
>>699245704
You want to know whats fiction?
Your edginess.
Also nice bait.
>>699250160
This post is so stupidly subhuman that i begin to think Hitler was right. only instead of Jews he should have targetted morons like anon. Oh he did. yes, the massive euthanasia program and sterilisation program carried out before the war by the German medical services.. tens of thousands killed or sterilised. Yes. well documented and up front about it. but of course when the war started they never killed anyone innocent ever, at all, no sir, that would have been naughty...
>>699260282
Not all of them were killed in the camps, and not all of them were burned in crematoriums.
>>699245704
in case someone realy cares and wants to here actual arguments about this. this old lady has them. http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/Plattform-fuer-Holocaust-Leugner,holocaustleugner100.html
>>699267862
sure
>KEK
>>699250416
>You're the first person to mention that.
this was copy pasta from other threads on the same subject - that lie is usually put forward by someone pretty early on in these discussions.
>>699250437
ah, yes it does because the whole post is a lie, and that is one of the lies that goes up to make it a big stupid lie.
>>699250943
You really are just determined to argue aren't you? Argue stupidly, of course, but really, you are not interested in truth at all.
>>699268307
why is it even edgy to question history? winners of war always told the most horrifying stuff about their enemies to justify their doings.
The number of jew people in what they call the Jewish holocaust from 1940 to 45 grew in over 300000 people. So they didn't kill any jews
The western banking system was out to destroy Germany because Hitler and Germany dared to not be fiat money slaves and issue their own currency.
The bankers weren't going to get farm boys to die for the banks, so they had to demonize Hitler and Germany so the common people *would* die for them.
The story of the Holocaust is what the bankers used to accomplish this.
It's the same as what happened with Iraq and Hussein when that country threatened the bankers by selling oil for non-dollars (with the speeches about WMD's and the tearful and utterly false testimony about Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor). Made them monsters that must be destroyed.
The bankers did the same thing with Libya, when Libya announced it was creating a gold-backed currency and would sell its oil for currencies other than dollars. Suddenly Libya was a threat to world peace and had to be destroyed.
The Holocaust story is simply an incredibly profitable lie, used to wipe Nazi Germany off the map.
Talk about the Big Lie - the Holocaust is it.
>>699245704
The statement is false. Four million subhuman mongrels were mercifully euthanized there by real humans. Hitler did nothing wrong!
>>699246150
KYS you vicious jew! Heil Hitler!
>>699268132
Fuck off. No one cares about the French. You all are always whining about something or other. BTW, Nice attack! Have you surrendered to muhammad yet?
>>699247947
That thyphoid victim was a boer from a british death camp you fucking uneducated inbred
Seriously guys you are missing the point here.
The nazis stood up to fo something against the jews who are obviously responsible for a lot of fucked up things in the world and totally deserved it. It's not a bad or evil thing to kill a jew... it's a service for humanity. The holocaust is one of the biggest archievments of human history since ppl tried to make the world a better place while completely ignoring that the whole world is gonna support these parasites. You cant see a jew as an equal human being. It's more like a disgusting leech trying to make your sons faggots and your daughters whores while he takes your money. These ppl are corrupted and rotten to the core. Dont feel sorry for them, be happy we took the chance and decimated them a little.
>>699247947
>never a rebellion in a single camp
>treblinka
>sobibor
>even fucking auschwitz
kys you dumb fuck
It's true. Anyone saying otherwise is an autitist or underage conspiracy theorist.
That being said it's fine to question the numbers. People also seem to forget POWs, political dissidents, the handicapped, pacifist religious leaders, gypsies, etc etc were also killed. Progressives turned it into a reason to make Jews (who are mostly white now, very little semitism) into a protected minority. And then they gave them Isreal so they could then encamp and kill others while international aid groups foot the bill.
>>699247947
>there were no enough jews to die in those camps.
Kek. Shitposting this autistically.
>>699270576
>autitist
an autist
>>699270576
How do you know? We're you there? History is written by the victors.
>>699271989
just like the bible lol. aww shit im gettin the fuck out again. But yeah I said it earlier. It's now stories and what each side wrote in books. not saying shit didn't happen just it's war, shit was done. It's over. Move along.
>>699270576
/thread. most deaths were through forced labor and poor living conditions, but mad people definitely died. they just weren't all jews and there weren't six million of them.
The only solution to this argument is to kill all the fucking Jews that are left and then it wont matter.
>>699272450
Well, not exactly like the bible. Most of that shit is fiction. Jebus takin a stroll over some H2O. I highly doubt it.
>>699271124
> female autist
>>699273269
Don't open that bag of aids. Atleast not here. that's for a different thread.
>>699245704
I'm fairly sure the numbers have been disproven on quite a few occasions. We'll never hear about that officially though, the jews wouldn't have anything to go on if we did
>>699274386
You got it, anon. AIDS stays in the colostomy bag.
>>699274573
Since the jews have had "6 million" slaughtered on many separate occasions throughout their record of history since the 17/1800's, it's fair to assume it's bullshit.
Either blatant lies, or jews have literally been hated, killed in the millions and driven out of every place they have settled in since the beginning of Judaism.
If that's true, and the only common factor in all those instances is jews, either everybody in the entire world has just been big meanies to the jews for no reason at all, or jews behaviour and attitudes have provoked the same reaction from everyone they've encountered throughout history.
JIDF came out in force for this thread
Guess the rest of the internet doesn't need defending right now
>>699256156
the soviet soldiers who were slavs and considered as "untermench"
So why the fuck do so many retarded ass Americans still pay Adam Sandler to see his shitty ass movies? God I hope Trump is a Nazi like they claim.
>>699276955
Part of the mongrel asiatic hordes. They need to be exterminated.
Keep posting.
I don't earn my shillshekels while the threads inactive
