When did you grow out of your edgy atheist phase and accept Jesus Christ as you lord and saviour.
PS- you literally CANNOT argue against pic related (although I'm sure you spotty little vermin infidels will try anyway)
Heh, atheists too scared to respond? I have a case that they cannot answer it seems.
>>698686317
Ok but no one can disprove the existence of any of the thousands of gods that have been created throughout human history.
Don't you think it is short-sighted to choose one just because you happened to be born into a family that believes in it?
Use critical thinking to pick a cool one like Athena or Dionysus or Moloch.
>>698686854
not an argument
I can say noone can disprove that Santa doesn't exist, therefore he exists
- Religious people
you cant disprove the true god the flying spaghetti monster
>>698686929
>2 IPs
Ok OP, how is that not an argument?
If it isn't then your image is invalid.
>>698686317
actually science has disproved many times of god's existence and shit that happeneds in the bible so i think you should just hang yourself
I'm an atheist, but I'm not edgy.
I used to be, tho.
I k that this is bait, I'm just saying this cause why not
>>698686317
1. Are you absolutely sure there is no God? If not, then is it not possible that there is a God? And if it is possible that God exists, then can you think of any reason that would keep you from wanting to look at the evidence?
2. Would you agree that intelligently designed things call for an intelligent designer of them? If so, then would you agree that evidence for intelligent design in the universe would be evidence for a designer of the universe?
3. Would you agree that nothing cannot produce something? If so, then if the universe did not exist but then came to exist, wouldn’t this be evidence of a cause beyond the universe?
4. Would you agree with me that just because we cannot see something with our eyes—such as our mind, gravity, magnetism, the wind—that does not mean it doesn’t exist?
5. Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?
>>698687022
Disproove Unicorns.
How do you not believe in them?
Do it faggot.
>>698687135
>4 IPs
alright OP, you're just responding with reddit images instead of actually arguing about religion.
I'm not even irreligious myself, but it is illogical to choose a Christian religion to devote yourself to just because you were born into a Christian household.
>>698686317
Hmmm calling a fellow man a vermin infidel is not something a Christian would say. You should be turning your other cheek and sucking the other guy's dick.
Better go read that book of yours some more faggot.
Isn't it funny how everyone's God seems to coincide with their own opinions and that everyone else just coincidentally has the wrong God?
How interesting
>>698687022
Circular reasoning. I know that God exists because the bible sas so, it the word of god
>>698687151
>actually science has disproved many times of god's existence
source?
Most scientists throughtout history were religious, sorry pal
>>698687214
finally another smart person.
>>698687283
there are actually 9 ips, you should learn how this site works
>>698687301
Infidels deserve worse
>>698687151
This is completely false. Also, trying to use science to defend your beliefs is counterproductive. You abandoned science the very instant you decided that there was a 'god'.
>>698687367
There are 9 IPs now... not at the time of your post.
And you still aren't giving any counterarguments.
>>698687266
I can't see unicorns, I've never seen a unicorn.
>>698686317
I actually grew out of Xtianity. Figured I didn't want to live my whole life in fear and servitude.
I think my family cut me off for it. They're certainly more distant than they were when I was a kid claiming to be an Xtian.
i was bron into a christian family, went to church was told to pray, after years i realized this religeon is just all bullshit these preists these healers, are all fake they have nothing so thy make shit up to further push their agenda onto our nations. but thats just my argument. anyways yeah science can disporve alot of shit in the bible>>698686317
>>698686317
Love how these Christfags need us to disprove nothing, there's nothing there and nobody should care, we could probably do a lot more with the human civilization if we didn't have all these religious fags preeching nonsense story's
>>698687498
Enjoy burning in hell infidel
>>698687470
> being this much of a dumbass
All religious people are fucking idiots.
>>698687214
What do you mean by intelligently designed
Life does not seem to be intelligently designed
>there are actual christfags on /b/
lovin
every
laff
>>698686317
Not you again...
rid us from yourself, scum
>>698687418
how is it false because many times before when the bible says nonsence about the "impossible" most of the time science disproves this and shows this is possible by the avergae man
>>698686317
nobody gives fuck, bait arder
>>698687539
>hell
You can't physically prove it exists. No one can, so I have no reason to fear it. Even so, "Heaven" isn't that much better, since you'd be spending an eternity in continued servitude.
>infidel
Xtians don't use this word.
>>698687470
>>698687735
You can't physically prove gravity exists. no one can, so I have no reason not to leap off a skyscraper.
>>698687801
Please, I'd appreciate your bumbs
>>698687469
Well I follow Christianity what do you expect?
>>698687815
did you ever go to school there are massive amounts of studies proving that gravity physically exists just take sir isaac newton his work and the work of many others
>>698687214
http://geekychristian.com/questions-for-atheists-agnostics/
So op believes in Bigfoot, ufos, Odin, the chupacabara, and every new email scam?
I stopped being an atheist when I had that car accident which injured my head and I became mentally retarded! I now believe in a floating bearded man in the sky.
>>698687957
>did you ever go to school there are massive amounts of studies proving that gravity physically exists just take sir isaac newton his work and the work of many others
Oh, you mean devout Christian Isaas Newton? and btw- it hasn't been proven (that's kinda why it's a theory kiddo)
Also
>appealing to authority fallacy
I can do that too! Read Aquinas' works you ratbastard infidel
>>698687815
We can measure gravity through the scientific method, and there are three other forces we can directly observe that make up the (would-be) Unified Theory of Relativity. There is nothing about 'hell' that is observable; no photographs, no video, no graph readings, not even a bolt from the so-called "gates of hell."
>>698686317
10/10 bait
people still fall for this shit ayy
Op is atheist for thousands of Gods, but can't understand people being atheist for one more?
i love god you gay if you dont
The burden of proof is the responsibility of the one making the claim, ie. God exists.
>>698688282
this
>>698686317
the burden of proof is on those who make a claim.
religious people are all fucking idiots.
God can suck my dick. Fuck you god
>>698687628
/thread
>>698686317
Religious naturalism is the only correct religion.
Christfags fuck off
People who think atheism is a religious belief fuck off
>>698687367
Agreeing with you =/= smart
>>698686317
>When did you grow out of your edgy atheist phase and accept Jesus Christ as you lord and saviour.
OP lives in constant fear of everyone and everything around him. desperately hopes that handing over his self determination and self worth to an invisible sky magician will make him superior to others. and when realizing it's not working out, lashes out at those who, while causing no actual impact or detriment to him, simply chose to take a differing view.
>>698688282
Is that why God hates fags?
>>698688853
>Is that why God hates fags?
He doesn't, he loves everybody but he is very clear that homosexual activity leads to hell, unless they repent.
Religious people are so insecure that they need to shove down people's throats without any actual argument just to feel like they're important and that they will go to 'heaven'. Would god have wanted you to do this OP?
>>698688969
Yes, it's one of the last sentences in the Bible.
>>698688931
that pretty much means he hates fags
>>698688931
>unless they repent
Sounds like this "love" is nothing more than a placeholder, a way of justifying doing nothing while allowing people to suffer.
>I could save you, but you have to repent and espouse your loyalty to me and only me.
Sounds like an abusive boyfriend situation.
>>698689012
To force religion upon people with a bullshit argument? Have you ever heard of "To each their own"?
>>698689176
Heaven is a metaphysical concept. Guess they don't teach that to 14 year olds, huh
>>698686317
allah is the one and only anon ur living a lie
>>698686317
God can disprove that god exists.
>>698686317
>The burden of proof belongs to the one making the claim, I don't have to prove that microscopic invisible unicorns galloping around the Earth are responsible for making it spin just because someone in the world might believe that to be the case.
Atheists are idiots and don't know where they are heading..
>>698687031
Brother
>>698686317
Pic extremely related.
>>698687135
>Not argument
>>698689379
No they don't teach that to 14 year olds. Are you arguing they should?
>>698689379
>>>698689176
>Heaven is a metaphysical concept. Guess they don't teach that to 14 year olds, huh
it's possibly a metaphysical question. but as a concept, it's fictional. but you used the internet to call someone a 14 year old, so maybe you know better than all of us.
>>698689544
/Thread
And saved
grow up and try think op
>>698689956
>as a concept, it's fictional
I'll take 'I don't understand the metaphysical' for 10 please!
>>698686854
>>698686317
Ugh holy shit 'but no one can' SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Yahweh/Allah can be disproven but not a general god.
End of story now STFU
By your logic the fourth dimension exists.
>>698686317
this quote is retarded, that kid is a tool
>>698690161
>Yahweh/Allah can be disproven
go for it champ
>>698688969
yes, god was vengeful and petty and took great pleasure in inflicting suffering and death upon many and he expects the same of his followers. its all over the bible.
>>698687336
But seriously, there are literally thousands of other 'gods.' What makes yours the "right" one?
>>698687815
>cant prove gravity exists
Read the book called Davinci's Code some shit from there will get you thinking
>>698686317
Alright let me prove he exists. Literally every single tv show that exists in america, you will find at least 1 reference that blasphemes the bible, god, jesus etc. It's often said that this world is run by the devil, and that's because the bible says so. Well, here's pic related of one of the most powerful people on the planet. Notice it was uploaded by the white house to their twitter. Now take a look at this verse from the book of revelations. Revelations 6:2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
Really makes you think why these most powerful people in the world would go through these lengths to do such things. Also, in ancient egypt there were pagan gods worshipped. These pagan gods are still worshipped today by the most powerful people (illuminati, etc). You can't deny these obvious facts.
I accept Tommaso Cavalieri as my lord and savior then
>>698690277
Specific claims: the universe is 5-6000 yrs old if you trace back genesis' timeline
IT'S NOT
New testament: demons cause disease and natural disasters
CALLED BIOLOGY, EL NINO AND FAULT LINES
> God is in the heavens above the sky
'The earth was blue, but there was no god'
NOTHING IS REVEALED IN THE BIBLE OR KORAN.
BEEN proven to be bullshit since the Hubble.
Next please
>>698690566
You literally can't. IF you knew anything about science at all you would realise this.
Of course, when we jump we fall, but to prove the concept of gravity as a force is impossible
>>698690634
On every episode of every tv show in america, there is at least 1 reference that is direct blasphemy to the bible, god, jesus etc. Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you can't.
>christian
> doesn't believe in Krishna, Zeus, Allah or quexelquatal
> almost as atheist as the rest of us
I replied/10
>>698686317
jesus = shit
satan = true love and salvation
Idk, im sort of a nihilist, but I do believe in God and Jesus christ. I believe that even with an afterlife, our memories, egos or things stay behind.
>>698690277
>'Yahweh/Allah's' specific claims BTFO >>698690721
/thread >>698690161
>>698690721
You're dumb as hell please link the verses you're talking about.
1. God is in his dwelling place, 3rd heaven. 1st heaven is the sky, 2nd heaven is outer space with the stars, 3rd is his dwelling place.
2. the bible doesn't say demons cause disease and natural disaster.
I am a Christian. Not a "Spread the word fake bawling like a girl in church before everyone" Christian. I'm a believer in the Christ that fought the church threw money changer tables around and made the authority visible as frauds who don't love each other like they love themselves. Jesus said to pray in secret, and yet here you are trying to ram "YOUR belief's" down other peoples throats.
>Your logic is just terrible
>>698691011
>yet here you are trying to ram "YOUR belief's" down other peoples throats
For a Christian it seems that you don't really listen to the Bible, much less Jesus' last commandment.
Enjoy burning in eternal hell-fire, heretic
>>698690987
> the bible doesn't say demons cause disease and natural disaster.
Kek
>>698690721
Christians will write all this off as different interpretations or metaphors.
You can't definitively disprove something that never happened.
They will use their lack of evidence as their greatest strength.
Can we agree you all suck cause this argument has been going since bc times, like, it's still pointless to argue bout. When you die, you find out, oh well, if you want the quick answer, kys, /b/tards, simply drop it and get along
>>698690057
go ahead and explain
>>698690987
Have you literally not read the Bible?
Typical Christian.
It specifically claims draught is punishment for sin over and over.
The only explanation for disease given was demons since the cure was always driving the demons out of the diseased.
Yahweh/Allah is not the god of the cosmos
Next
>>698687214
1. No, but the possibility is slim and the evidence is zero so far. Much like there being a weightless, invisible, tiny elephant over every single human, just out of our reach. Is it possible? Yes. Evidence for it? Nope.
2. No. Our perception of anything needing intelligent design is inherently flawed.
3. No. We don't know for sure if what, to us, appears to be nothing can or can't produce something. This is an extremely malformed question.
4. Yes. But we can find ways of measuring things that do exist over time. While we find no way of perceiving or measuring something's existence we have to presume it doesn't exist for all serious intents and purposes.
5. Yes, but see 4 for why it should be presumed a negative.
The burden of proof lies within the people claiming the existence of something. No irrefutable evidence has surfaced in thousands upon thousands of years of many gods from many religions.
I'm not crazy enough to say that there ISN'T some creating/managing entity in the universe. I'm also not crazy enough to say there IS.
Agnostic Atheist.
>>698691327
you are stupid. the bible says they have caused sickness, illness, famine, drought etc. but it doesn't say they are the soul cause of it. It doesn't say they and only they are responsible for these things you stupid twat.
next
>>698690161
it can.
The creation of "gods" happened because humans were unable to explain phenomenons and hard concepts.
What was considered as providence then is just common knowledge and perfectly explainable nowadays.
therefore.
no.
need.
for.
gods.
anymore.
YOU FUCKING OBTUSE SHITBAG.
stop being scared of the afterlife.
Ok but it still makes no sense that some "being" is floating around in space watching us and apparently he made us. Gods are literally here because we can't explain things. Mostly the Egyptian ones. Like the god of the fucking sun and that's why it rises.
>>698690612
It's located in the fiction aisle, lard.
>>698686317
Dude, that argument is fucking stupid. The problem is that there is no way to disapprove God because there is no evidence brought forth to examine other than 'Muh bibble".
Look if you really want to know if God exists you have to ask him to show you he's real with a sincere heart. You can't do it in a mocking way, you have to do it honestly. I mean, who wants to listen to someone that is just going to mock them? Nobody.
>>698691600
Fucking yes. Sorry i didn't see you already posted this lol.
>>698691136
The people it matters to are the ones who don't take it as metaphor.
Most of that can't be taken as metaphor.
>>698691543
> doesn't say they are the sole cause of it
Where? Or more bullshit?
I know you're troll but let me see.
I swear I'll go through my annotations sooner if I have to you weakling I know you haven't read the book
>>698691831
LOOOOL you are saying it DOES say they are the sole cause of disease. Show me the verse!
Protip: you can't because it DOESN'T.
>>698691831
How can I show you where it doesn't say something? stupid. you're saying it does so show us where it says it. otherwise your argument is stupid and you are more stupid.
>>698686317
There is no response to be given to someone who won't ever listen to the anwser.
If not even the truth will sway you, why would you ask genuinely ?
>>698691831
you are going to find a verse that says "demons caused sickness something something etc".
you are not going to find a verse that says "demons are the sole cause of sickness something something etc".
because god knows disease and sickness is natural. that's why he made plants for HEALING. LIKE IT SAYS IN GENESIS. now go sit down and read more.
>>698686317
Lets presume an allpowerful god exists.
As it is allpowerful, it can easily prove that it does not exist.
Therefore there is a proof that there is no god.
This proves there is no god.
>>698692230
god made plants for healing. and don't give me that bullcrap "they ONLY rely on prayer for healing" because it doesn't say that in the bible either. I can feel your tidy whities getting shit in them as i speak, and your face getting red.
prove that newton did not have a flaming laser sword
>>698691349
This guy gets it.
>>698691136
Also another thing is, this.
In Paul's and others writings there was a clear sense of urgency that the end of times would happen in their lifetimes as prophecied.
That's why they said it's better to not get married and focus on god because the end is so near.
Well it's been about a thousand fucking years now.
>>698691940
Take that bitch
How many specific claim debunks does it take to convert a Christian? All. They'll come around eventually
If God is real and the bible is real then how did we get Japanese people after Noah's Ark?
It's ok, i'll wait...
>>698692437
You are trying to prove a different point when you haven't proven your first. I know what's going on. You got a calling from God then were swayed away by logic by the devil. Hmm.. makes me think. Maybe there is more to this. I honestly feel like God's telling me to tell you to go pray and get closer to Him again. He misses you.
Op: there's no way to prove one way or another, so that means I'm right
Isn't it someone-or-other's law that the simplest answer is always the right one? I'd say the laws of physics scientists laid out are more realistic then a supernatural being lording over us all. Large amounts of the bible have been conclusively disproven, who's to say the rest isn't wrong?
>>698692801
Why is God a 'him'?
>>698692437
and you didn't even prove your first claim that >demons are the SOLE cause of disease.
because you can't. the bible doesn't say they are. it says they use disease against us. not that they are the sole cause of it. if i'm wrong link the verse please. it's that simple. a link. can you simply do that? i'll wait...........
>>698692704
Better question:
Why not give the Bible to the Chinese or Koreans who were fucking literate in ancient times instead of to a people that weren't.
If he wants people to READ the book lol
He's an author late to the game, but not a playwright or director.
What a chump
I don't even identify as an atheist for the same reason that my lack of belief in well, any unfounded claim, does not affect my identity.
Calling yourself an atheist, or atheistic implies that religion is controversial and important enough to base your identity on even if you don't buy into it-- it's not.
There is not a noun to describe people who don't believe that Hitler is a Zombie, there is not a noun to describe people who don't believe that bananas as being used by the government to control us, there is not a noun to describe people who would not suck a giraffe's dick for a cup of coffee, why is there a noun to describe people who don't believe there is an almighty entity that controls reality and watches our every move?
>>698687470
Did you see god ?
>claims to be christian
>says infidel
Dude, at least TRY to make this not look like shitposting.
>>698686317
There is a god
>Trump is my God!
>>698692958
basically this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz9RSk7SAvI a clip from dogma with salma hayek explaining it.
>>698692975
>>698692801
My first claim: >>698690161
> Yahweh/Allahs' specific claims can be debunked
I found a specific claim
>>698692437
And now you want to pretend that didn't happen.
I won. Infallible my ass.
You guys want more?
Genesis'timeline CHECK
Jesus and Paul's end of time time prediction CHECK
Infallibility CHECK
>>698686317
When I realized that the passion is about God committing suicide in order to pass the holy spirit onto humankind, which had grown too out of control.
God I love the smell of heresy in the morning.
>>698693343
Gee you would think the infallible creator of the cosmos would have gotten the creation and destruction timeline correct
>>698687135
Legit just resorting to Ad Hominem now. This is bad bait.
>>698686317
Burden of Proof
We can't prove that you are not a cocksucking faggot so we should just assume that you are according to your logic. Oh by the way we can prove god doesn't exist.
>God must be all powerful otherwise he is not god just another creature
>Therefore there are no independent factors that can define god since god is the only one who can define anything.
>nothing defines god, he is the static unchanging force of nature. Your actions have no affect on him and he is incapable of action itself. He might as well be nothing since once an object loses definition it ceases to exist.
>>698686317
When are you going to put aside outdated notions of an invisible entity ruling your life??
>>698687151
>science has disproved many times of god's existence
Is this bait? Even as an atheist I can safely say this is fucking retarded.
>>698693343
\thread
All it took was one
>>698693343
>Jesus and Pauls end of time prediction..
Matthews 3:16 if I am correct
>No man shall know the day nor time
Goes further to state not even his own son shall know
CHECKED!
>>698694029
What you did, was just show how retarded the Bible is.
'shall not know' obviously referred to immediate time. Jesus and Paul specifically said but before they die
CHECK
Took you a while to pull that out your bum did it
Ever since I stopped being an atheist I've actually gone out and made friends. People stooped hating me. It's amazing.
>>698693343
>>698694295
/thread
I can never understand how all these people bite into OP's shitty bait
>>698694481
>I stopped being an atheist I've actually gone out and made friends. People stooped hating me
so, are you stating that christians hate everyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do?
>>698695007
Yes because atheists are satanic
>>698686317
I fucking hated this movie. It made higher education out to be a bad guy.
>>698694481
>I've actually gone out and made friends
>People stooped hating me
I'd rather be hated than have retards as friends
>>698686317
Wut is burden of proof?
>>698687258
-said some faggot
Caring about one humans opinion as fact is just as bad as believeing in a spagehtti monster
>>698695096
No. To be satanist, you have to believe in Satan, so believe in god too, and choose Satan over god (which is kinda of stupid btw). Now go learn your religion you motherfucker.
Wait so we should believe in something just because nothing says it doesn't exist? While still having nothing say it does exist? Tf
>>698686767
Yeah, it's sad that Jesus is as fictional as Batman
>>698695096
again, meaning derived solely from your belief. so, just so I really understand, you, as a christian as saying that christians hate all who are not christian. hate is the word that applies here.
>>698687022
I can disprove it. I buy the gifts for Christmas for my children.
Everytime a innocent kid dies God is disproven. Bye.
>>698687336
This is not how Christians argue
this spring. can only recommend it to everyone! repent -> holy spirit -> ??? -> PROFIT
>>698686317
> Atheists say that no one can prove the existence of God, and they're right.
Okay, let's talk about this then, before we move on to the second half of your sentence.
If no one can prove it, that means no one anywhere can have any reason to believe it. That means any belief in it is unreasonable. But you have a bigger problem than that. See for something to be unprovable in any way even in principle, which is what you assert when you agree that no one can do it, it HAS to not exist. Otherwise in whatever way it existed, there would be evidence that could prove it. Now maybe you want to argue that God is well-hidden, and we just haven't found him YET. That's different from agreeing no one can find him. It's certainly a lot different from your claim to have already found him.
TL;DR, you already lost and admitted defeat and called yourself a delusional liar.
>>698696094
that just means that Santa does not consider your family worthy.
>>698686317
It's not on me to prove a non-belief, it's on you to prove to me why I should believe as you do.
/thread
>>698696271
that is literally how they argue.
"it say so in the bile, the bible is the word of god, I win!"
>>698686317
"Amermaidists say that no one can prove the existence of mermaids, and they're right, but I say no one can disprove that mermaids exist"
Good arguments shouldn't be so easy to make into counter arguments
>>698686317
>>698696271
Yeah, you're right. They tell us to believe in god because if we don't, we're going to hell to suffer for the eternity, no matter what we did in our life.
>>698696684
>>698686317
Nobody can disprove that there is no God.
> atheists can pay this game too
>>698696488
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/gogodancer/forums/message/281459095
That's in french but that shows he can't exist, and it's pretty funny btw.
>>698696815
>Makes atheists look bad through shitty trolling pretending to be an atheist
>Is actually a christfag all along
>>698696867
>>698696912
>>698686317
Anon you should know better. There is only the Emperor he is our shield and protector
>>698696990
>>698697030
>>698686317
I found Jesus once. He was hiding in the bushes outside my house. I called the police, he ran, they shot him, he is currently in the ICU on life suport.
>>698697088
the truth of the matter is it doesn't matter, its still now, and you still exist, either way, you could spend your time arguing it for either side, or you could fuck bitches and get money, take your pick.
>>698697148
>mfw /b/ still takes these b8 threads
>>698695471
Hitchens is actually explaining through reasonable logic here, not opinion. The opinion is choosing whether or not to believe in the god that can and cannot be proven or disproven. The statement itself is entirely true regardless
>>698687214
> Are you absolutely sure there is no God?
The things I am "absolutely" sure about are vanishingly small and depend on articles of definition. For example, I am absolutely sure I am not omniscient. That would be a thing I would have to know, and I don't, so I'm not, by definition. But when asking about if something is true or not, we are asking a question about reality, not about definition, and "absolute" isn't a valid amount of sureness to have about such questions. So no.
> If not, then is it not possible that there is a God?
It might be. If you want to claim your god to be possible, you have to define the traits of your god well enough that we might be able to construct experiments or observe existing phenomena in the universe indicating those traits are possible. Things don't become possible merely because you haven't proven them impossible. Furthermore, "proof" in this sense means scientific proof, not logical proof, since you're talking about reality again instead of about definitions. Grass is not older than the sun. And that fact disproves all gods who created grass before the sun, not just the one from Genesis.
> And if it is possible that God exists, then can you think of any reason that would keep you from wanting to look at the evidence?
Having to put up with religious people who have repeatedly claimed to have the evidence but didn't has made me reluctant to continue wasting my time evaluating what they are calling evidence. And perhaps that may regrettably cause me to miss the one shining diamond in the sand who actually has some - but I've really come to doubt you actually have any and that your time and mine would both be better spent if we both mutually masturbated onto your face instead. Normally to prove a negative, you'd have to perform an exhaustive search to confirm there is no such thing. But for creationists claiming to have evidence of god, we've done that. You're out of arguments. You have no evidence. They've all been flunked.
>>698686317
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof
#rekt
>>698690634
>Literally every single tv show that exists in america, you will find at least 1 reference that blasphemes the bible, god, jesus etc.
Nobody tell Pat Robertson and the 700 Club.
I grew out of my edgy atheist phase at about 20. Now im 30 and still an atheist, I just don't give a fuck about debating people anymore.
I've learned that religious people have a faith based belief. You can spend hours wasting your time using logic and reason, at the end of the day their religious belief is illogical. The very definition of faith is a belief without evidence. They require no evidence to believe.
Some religious people can be swayed by logic, but most are happy to be illogical and no amount of reason will ever shake their faith.
That's when I realize pulling my teeth with a pair of pliers or trying to knock down a brick wall with my forehead would be a more productive use of my time than debating about religion.
I don't give a fuck anymore and just shake my head in pity and move on. Not worth stressing over.
>>698687214
>Are you absolutely sure there is no God?
No, because we don't know the limits of this place we live in
>If not, then is it not possible that there is a God?
Sure, just as likely as if there isn't a God. Waste of time to expect it. And again, we don't know the limits of this place.
>And if it is possible that God exists, then can you think of any reason that would keep you from wanting to look at the evidence?
Not really. And just to note, here "God" is used as a name compared to the other two which talks about YOUR god, not A god. Stop being a pretencious faggot.
>Would you agree that intelligently designed things call for an intelligent designer of them?
No, could be the way things have always been without a creator.
>If so, then would you agree that intelligent design in the universe would be evidence for a designer of the universe?
Asking a question based on my personal opinion. Go fuck yourself
>Would you agree that nothing cannot produce something?
Depends on the situation as the absence of something can produce something else, like the absence of light producing darkness. Or was darkness just covered by the light? Depends on what we are talking about. But their needs to be something in the first place to cause this reaction. So I would agree.
>If so, then if the universe did not exist but then came to exist, wouldn't this be evidence of a cause beyond the universe?
Sure, but it's naive to assume what that cause and/or pressence is. As it could just be the end of one universe starting the next, like an infinite cycle. In short we need more information and making assumptions makes you look like an idiot.
>Part 1/2
>>698687214
>>698697508
>Would you agree with me that just because we cannot see something with our eyes- such as our mind, gravity, magnetism, the wind-that does not mean it doesn't exist?
We cannot directly see any of these effects, but we can create settings were we can see the change in these effects. Magnetism is pretty easy vs a magnet and some form of shattered iron, wind is easy because you can look at the leafs and see the effect of the wind, gravity can be tested in advanced chambers. The only one that is easy to understand is our mind, we cannot see it, but we can hear it as it echoes the very words in our head that we write down.
>Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn't exist?
Even if we couldn't see him, we can't hear him, except for our own illusions, we can't see the direct effects of him so we can't agree on him existing. Might exist, might not. Nothing conclusive out of your post except for your use of "God" as in one god, concluding that you aren't a polytheist.
>Part 2/2
>>698697244
People have debated about the existence of gods for thousands of years, but surely we will figure it out once and for all in this thread. You just wait and see.
>>698695620
all of this
>>698688931
Sounds like extortion, the Mafia uses that mindset quite frequently.
>>698687214
> Would you agree that intelligently designed things call for an intelligent designer of them?
Your causation is backward. It is only if you have the intelligent designer and his design process in evidence that you can then assert certain classes of object to be the product of that design. We know a painting implies a painter only because we have painters and paint already. Otherwise we wouldn't know where the painting came from. And anyone saying it was Ethyl the Painting-Shitting Unicorn before they find a unicorn or watch it shit a painting is wrong.
> If so, then would you agree that evidence for intelligent design in the universe would be evidence for a designer of the universe?
It would be if there was any. For example, when we humans, an intelligent designer, design something, we can then know those things are designed.
> Would you agree that nothing cannot produce something?
I can't agree to that. To my knowledge there has never been a nothing. How many of them would there be? Zero? How would we test to see if something could come from it or not? Where would we get a nothing?
> If so, then if the universe did not exist but then came to exist, wouldn’t this be evidence of a cause beyond the universe?
Your causality is again backwards. You have to prove the agent to exist first before you can attribute actions to it. I don't believe there is any such time as "when the universe did not exist". The first ever time there is appears to have been about 13.798 billion years ago, and within the universe. So you'd have to prove there even was a "beyond the universe".
> Would you agree with me that just because we cannot see something with our eyes—such as our mind, gravity, magnetism, the wind—that does not mean it doesn’t exist?
Yes, when we ask for evidence, we do not mean the bare naked senses of our meat. We mean also the more precise tools we use and verify with evidence to function correctly on known samples to provide us with better data.
If god is so well designed and intelligent who created him? If you believe that every well designed things need a designer who made God?
>>698687214
>Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?
Correct. It's all the things we can see with our eyes that would have to not be here if he existed which means he doesn't exist.
>>698697251
That's very true.
The fucking awesome thing is, the holy books make extremely specific claims about the nature of the universe and upon those we can determine the likelihood of a deity inspiring a 'work'
Some anon earlier showed a few things that disprove YHWH
>>698686317
Why are atheists so fucking stubborn.
The bible contains invaluable stories but all you care about is if god is real or not. Learn to accept the beauty in things rather than acting like a fucking virgin.
>>698686317
I did go through an asshole atheist phase but I decided to settle in the middle as an agnostic. Because no man truly does know what's out there and to act like you do is idiotic. I still love as if there isn't a god it's just I don't obsess over it anymore. Even if there is one it isn't the one written in the bible or the quaran.
I always use this system of reason with a religious person.
>Ask if they believe god has a plan for them
They almost always say yes
>Ask if god already knows everything that will happen in the future
Again they say yes
>Ask if that means we all have a destiny
Again they usually say yes
>I then ask how we can be held personally responsible for sin when God has already determined our actions in advance. You can't be held accountable for your actions if there is no free will.
This is when the contradictions, ridiculous double standards, and inconsistencies start spewing out of their mouths. They start backpedaling and making no sense.
Then I just tip my fedora and turn around really fast so my trench coat swishes around really cool like a super hero.
>>698698105
> learn to accept beauty of burning bush
Literally almost every other holy book has more beauty than the Abrahamic ones.
Seriously who wants to spend eternity with three men?
Only a fucking raging homo get out
>>698698105
>The bible contains invaluable stories
Spread the stories without a believe set?
>but all you care about is if god is real or not
Yeah, because we understand the value of the stories. The belief is a waste of time but some of the stories and the moral guidance within them are pretty good.
And stop cutting people with all those edges.
>>698697381
Is there anyway I can hire those women to rape me?
>>698687214
1. Yes it is possible for God to exist and no i dont deny any real evidence of his existence. However the only evidence I have heard revolves ariund aspects which currently cannot be explained by science, so should I just sit here and accept that its "God?" Even if there is a creator, how are you sure it's the one you believe in?
2. Due to my understanding of science, I don't believe anything was intelligently designed because "designed" implies thete had to have been a creator, which I don't believe in.
3. I wouldn't agree that nothing couldn't produce something. Sure according to what we know that may be true but humanity has never experienced true nothingness, the literal absence of everything.
4. Yes I would agree with you here, the difference between what you stated and the existence of a creator is that everything ylu stated has years of scientific evidence and study done to prove their theory.
5. Like I said above I don't discount the possibility in God's existence but with what I understand about science and the world I currently do not believe in God.
>>698687258
This guy is right.
>>698698324
This is what I mean wtf who cares the bible is full of codes to stand by.
It tells stories of how kingdoms fell by the hands of invanders but since they had a certain religion or lack thereof it is important for you to claim that religion in it's whole is the problem even though it tries to warn and protect you with stories.
You are picky and persuing a rewardless goal other than claiming to know it all. Religion teaches much more than you can dream of but since a talking bush is present in the christian bible suddenly everything in the bible is stupid even though there are moral lessons to be learned from it.
I bet you never even read the bible but just copy paste some verses from it on /b/ from /b/ to circlejerk with your troll friends against trolls.
Don't be so close-minded on religion it's not what le funny /b/ troll geniuses claim it to be.
>>698686317
You can't disprove the vague concept of a God, and it may well be that one exists.
You can, however, disprove most religions, including christianity, because nearly all of them make claims that weren't tested then but can be tested and falsified.
>>698699046
>Different anon here
I put it this way. Fuck the religion, let the stories and the idea behind them stand on their own, fairy tales or otherwise
>>698698403
Why? It's also for the sake of meditating and persuing something greater believing in something greater.
What gives you the right to claim believing in a god is so terrible when there is many darkness in the world outside your bedroom that you don't know of?
People need to believe in something and corrupt smart people are the ones who abuse the words of the bible whereas the bible warns for such people.
Faith is not terrible it's the opposite. It's when they are misinspired that they become destructive.
>>698699326
But you are claiming that the bible has good codes and lessons but believing in god nah that's terrible. It isn't.
>>698686317
Wow cool, a place I can share my story
>be me
>atheist since like 4th grade
>never really believed in God, was much more interested in science
>watched richard dawkins and shit, was a typical athiest kid when I discovered the internet
>fast forward 6 months ago
>be 18, severely depressed
>don't know what to believe in, have no idea what my purpose is
>For some reason, I pray to God and apologize for losing faith
>Ask for guidance, to show me what the right answers are, since there is so much conflict within myself and in the world
>Pull out red letter bible, out falls bookmark, "john 3:16"
>Remember the passage as it was read to me in Church
>Turn to the page to read it again, but there's something different
>I don't remember it like this, it must be a different version of the Bible
>turns out I'm in John 1 not St. John
>Confused, I start back tracking in order to better understand why this passage was so different
>End up in the book of Peter on the page before, see this passage
>"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, which are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction"
>Suddenly it clicks to me, why things are so jacked up
>Realize what it truly means to have a personal relationship with God
>Realize what it means to accept and embrace the love of Jesus Christ
>Go to bed happy
Sorry it's boring but that's how I started back on the track of faith.
>can't disprove god exists/can't prove he doesn't exist
I also can't prove that a semi-liquid raccoon lives on Mars and commands an army of telepathic zombie watermelons and telepathically controls our lives, but that doesn't mean I don't dismiss that nonsense outright.
>>698699473
>started back on the track of believing things for no good reason
How about you read the entire bible. That's how I became an atheist.
>>698699383
>It's also the sake of meditating and persuing something greater believing in something greater
Why believe in something that is so unsure. Oh yeah, hope. Believing in something greater is bullshit. Meditate all you want. That might actually do something. But believing in something greater is a waste of time.
>What gives you the right to claim believing in a god is so terrible when there is many darkness in the world outside your bedroom that you don't know of?
I am going to ignore the percieved superiority for this one because the question in it self is quite a nice one. The reason is that clinging to false hope, while it may be nice for the individual, can lead to a lot of abuse from powerful people as seen in many histories in the last couple of millenia. Organised religion is a waste in that regard, but I know something has to take it place because too many people cling to hope, like it's the all saving grace instead of doing something.
>It's when they are misinspired that they become destructive
Not really, it's when people want to abuse their power within religion, which people have been doing for millenia and I see no reason for it to change.
>>698699046
Yeah I really like the parts in the bible that tell you just how hard you are allowed to beat your slaves. It's OK to beat them so hard they can't get up for 2 days, but if they are bed ridden for more than 2 days you beat them too hard. But it is still cool to own slaves and hit them hard enough to keep them in bed for over a day. That much is clear.
This is God speaking to Moses
Exodus 21:20-21
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
>since the slave is their property
Stuff like that really warms my heart.
>INB4 Jesus did away with the old testament. Yeah, that's why in Matthew 5:18 Jesus said:
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
So we have God directly speaking to Moses spelling out his laws and God says you can not only own slaves, but beat them with a rod so long as they can get up in 2 days after the beating.
Then Jesus comes along and says that every letter of the laws from God, like the laws spoken directly to Moses, will all remain in effect until the end of the world.
So no, the old testament laws were not done away with, Jesus said so.
It's so beautiful if brings a tear to my eye. Religion is wonderful.
>>698699473
I'm a believer myself, but I really hate those "I once was an atheist myself"-stories, because the people writing them clearly never were atheists, just christians in a doubting phase.
As evidenced here:
>For some reason, I pray to God and apologize for losing faith
>Ask for guidance, to show me what the right answers are, since there is so much conflict within myself and in the world
Yes, exactly what an atheist would do... Retard.
>>698699468
Sets up for false hope, getting used, abused, etc. Depends on the religion. Look at scientology if you want to see how the fanatical nature of religion is when it needs to preserve itself and continue spreading it's bullshit
>>698699473
sounds like an entirely one sided exchange based solely on your wish for an easy answer.
>Spirituality: the last refuge of a failed human. Just another way of distracting you from who you really are.
- George Carlin
>>698686317
>I cannot prove that X exists, so you prove that it doesn’t.
>If you can’t, X exists.
lmao
>>698699473
fggot
>>698699899
Again who the fuck are you to decide what meditation is? Are buddhist so silly because they truly can meditate to the extend they heal wounds faster and survive poissonings.
No you don't understand meditating you aren't fucking god of definitions. You don't understand what it means to open your mind.
You claim to know everything about everyone that silly dumb religitards will never learn anything.
You're wrong they have learned a lot. You learned to be close-minded dick that shitposts on 4chan all day while they achieved happiness in a greater persuit. You CAN be happy if you are an atheist but claiming christians are somehow fucking crazy and do crazy things because it's a crazy religion you are wrong.
>Not really, it's when people want to abuse their power within religion, which people have been doing for millenia and I see no reason for it to change.
What do you mean within their religion? Just another claim made by ( you ) the genius.
>>698689141
Spousal abuse is perfectly acceptable according to the bible.
It could make sense, I guess
>>698691697
This ptoves literally nothing. I grew up in a Roman Catholic household and attended Catholic school from the time I was 3 until I graduated highschool. When I was in grade school and Middle school I believed in Catholicism but I honestly didn't think about religion that much. By the time I was in high school though and I started thinking about everything I was learning about the faith and other belief systems I became conflicted and started questioning God, none of my peers around me seemed to think the same way so I couldn't talk to them about it. I decided to talk to priests in my parish and they said the same thing you said, pray and honestly ask God, he will answer. Well I tried that for 3 months. I prayed to God looking for an answer that never came to me.
I don't understand how people have "conversations" with God. I have never once experienced God in my life, so you have fun with your schizophrenic delusions of "speaking to God." It unfortunately didn't work for me.
>>698689430
I thought they were the same thing, and it was just the little details Muslims, Christians and Jews don't agree on...
>>698686317
That is agnostic, not atheist you idiot.
>>698699710
>>698699710
I haven't read all of it, but most of the Old Testement and a number of books from the New Testement.
Look, I explained this in other threads. Believing in God isn't about finding answers about where we came from or anything like that as much as it is about believing in a philosophy in how you should live your life. You don't have to believe that everything in the Bible is the absolute truth. It's about learning from the stories and applying their morals/teachings to your life.
Jesus taught love and compassion towards all peoples, friend or foe. He taught humility, selflessness, and that we are all God's children, brothers in spirit. I think that's fucking righteous, and I find living and treating everyone like a brother is not only healthy for myself and my outlook, but also for the world.
That doesn't mean I don't believe in science or evolution. That doesn't mean I hate gays or anything like that. Just like the passage I just showed you from Peter, scripture often gets into the wrong hands. Scripture is written by men, who are imperfect by nature, so the Bible naturally fits the times that the people who wrote it were living in. Sometimes it gets into the hands of hateful, spiteful, and misguided people. That is a shame. That doesn't mean that religion is inherently bad. It's just when it replaces other aspects of life it becomes bad. You feel?
That's a logical fallacy
>>698700822
>It's about learning from the stories and applying their morals/teachings to your life.
Like how I point out here
>>698699981
That you are free to not only own, but beat your slaves with a rod to the point it takes them days to recover?
Looks like I'm going to go buy myself a nigger.
>>698699981
I don't think it's a bad lesson anon. Moses doesn't fucking own slaves he was just a guy and if he could spread the word not to torture slaves to death wouldn't that be good?
He was just a guy anon. Slaves were looked down on but virtually everyone was a slave back than.
It doesn't condone of slavery but humanity in a time there was very little.
You can call it crazy or you can call it good that atleast it teaches that torturing your slaves to death in a time there were many was a good thing.
>>698689430
Actually, Zeus is mightier than Allah (Iliad VIII, 17).
>>698700009
I can give you account names from youtube and reddit and shit where I used to make hundreds of posts arguing about how retarded religion is. I was a full blown athiest. You're right though, I wasn't a full blown athiest exactly at the time this happened. There were other things that happened that helped me realize the ways God works and shit that I didn't want to get into.
I prayed to God because I felt fucking alone, man. It was an act of desperation at the time and the reason why I prayed at all to ask for guidance was because I *didn't* exactly believe, and I wanted to know what the right answers to everything were. I thought "if God is really out there, he will show me the way". Of course, it was me that picked up the Bible and read those passages but in some way I believe that this was God's plan for me. It helped affirm my faith.
>>698701235
looked down on by the bible.*
You are nitpicking and ignoring the fact that times weren't great.
>>698701235
And this is why religious people are batshit fucking insane
Go fuck yourself. Logic like yours has no place in modern society.
>>698701354
So you got desperate, and clutched at straws...
K
>>698686854
Referring back to this... Though I am late, yes you can disprove some gods... The Mayan gods, the Greek mythology gods, and the Roman mythology gods we're disproved. However, there are some gods that are impossible to disprove.
>>698701404
> Logic like yours has no place in modern society.
Until slaves come back ofcourse and then what?
It's an immortal book because after you die it will still be there and after you die or before it perhaps slaves may exist again.
Stop acting like nothing is relevant because some story in a desert explains a certain morality that should be hold towards something that was very common once just because it isn't right now where you live (for as far as you know) trust me when I say the world isn't as black on white as you think it is.
I agree with ops pic, that is why I'm an Agnostic Atheist. (I don't believe any god exists, but I'm not claiming that - I might be wrong.) Pic Related
>>698701682
Tell that to the BLM people.
>>698700822
and your kind is the worst of them all. this wishy washy, conviction-less, feelings based "interpretation" has no place in a discussion.
I "feel" like sticking my dick in a tub of sour cream. that is god to me and no matter what you say or present or prove, I'll just feel something else that moves the goalpost. you can't catch me, I have no substance!
>>698701754
Tell what? That it isn't relevant anymore?
Yeah they should know. But most of them are starting to wake up though.
>>698701182
>>698701182
I just said, it isn't about believing in the Bible as the absolute truth. Again, scripture was written by men. Sinful, imperfect men who lived thousands of years ago and probably owned slaves. But some of what actually happened, the morals that Jesus and other prophets taught, are still very true to me.
>>698701354
>I prayed to God because I felt fucking alone, man. It was an act of desperation at the time and the reason why I prayed at all to ask for guidance was because I *didn't* exactly believe, and I wanted to know what the right answers to everything were. I thought "if God is really out there, he will show me the way".
This is simply not how it works. For an atheist, god is as real as Santa Claus. Once you learned (be it true or not) that there is no Santa, you don't talk to him hoping for guidance, not even if you're alone on christmas.
Face it: You were what some believers wrongly think all atheists are: A rebellious believer.
>>698701682
>Until slaves come back
This retard thinks slavery is gone from the world. There is still slavery in many parts of the world. Just because it is gone from your little perfect suburban neighborhood changes nothing.
Your world perspective is so narrow it is sad. You have blinders on and don't even realize it. You can't see past your perfect little 1st world life and arrogantly assume slavery is gone from the world.
>>698701902
>>the world isn't as black on white as you think it is.
Don't mind me, I was just being a smartass.
>>698701235
Moses did own slaves, he was a prince of Egypt...
And what god says is supposed to be timeless.
Newfags think this is new & edgey.
Hey OP, ever heard of the burden of proof?
The one who claims something must provide proof, not the one who denies that claim.
Wheres the proof man?
>>698701940
>I just said, it isn't about believing in the Bible as the absolute truth.
>the morals that Jesus and other prophets taught
And I just demonstrated that Jesus upholds every single letter of gods laws, one of which is that slavery is legal and beating slaves to the point they are bedridden is OK. You didn't explain your way out of jack fucking shit.
Jesus' morals include justifying slavery and beating them.
Or maybe the all powerful all knowing being that created the universe by simply willing it into existence forgot what he said... Yeah, maybe that's it.
>>698701965
>just because it isn't right now where you live (for as far as you know
Are you talking to me?
Why didn't he strike George Carlin dead before 2008?
>>698686317
I have fucked your mom, since no one can disprove that means its true
Yeah you can't disprove the existence of god, but like it fucking says, you can't prove he exists either. So why the fuck believe in something that has no evidence behind it? Seriously it's not hard to understand.
>>698701564
You have made a claim here; it is possible to disprove some gods, in specific the Greek gods.
Lets test the claim.
OK then, disprove to me Zeus.
>>698686317
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>>698701757
You're seeing in black and white. You just don't get it. Religion is not the be all end all answer to all questions. It's believing in the way of life and having faith. There's no fucking debate because I'm not denying or proving anything.
>>698702338
I climbed Olympus once, he wasn't there.
>>698686317
you're right. i can't disprove gods existence. but i think the Christian/Muslim/Jewish god is not real for this reason.
lets sett up a scenario
>be all powerful like the holy book of your choosing said
>create a feather for fun
>feather shall be so heavy it's can not leave the ground even if I shall lift it
>some time later i make some guys on a rock in an empty place somewhere
> some 1000 years have past and feather is annoying, want it gone.
> try to use all my god powers but can not lift the fucking feather
>mfw I made a god proof feather
>mfw I am all powerful and cant lift a fucking feather
It's impossible to be all powerful. a god is a creator. if i fuck a girl and fail to pull out, i created a human and i became a fucking god. i am not a atheist because if there is a god, he wont be the christian god. he'll probably be like you and me and i promise you, he can bleed like you and me and he can die as you and me. but if a god exist i believe he did not create us for a reason, he created the universe for his own reason and we happened to be created naturally in it. i think god would be some scientist and this place does not even have to be real and neither does his world but Jesus was a mad man or someone just manipulating the needy for his personal goals. but i have one thing certain. his father is fake. the true god probably made some kind of matrix that simulate the universe.
some reasons for my theory
>scientist are working on something similar
>if the universe was created in any other way, it would not contain life. this gives us the reason to make a fake mini universe because it would make us able to see any event in the history if created right in the future and the presence. the man with this technology would be the most powerful guy in their universe as he can predict any event accurately 100%.
>anyone making this technology would never been forgotten in history, it's like discovering fire.
I don't believe in an all powerful being
>>698702359
You don't even understand what religion is...
>>698687214
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>>698702359
>It's believing in the way of life
Like owning slaves?
Because without sarcasm I can read god's word and be perfectly justified in owning slaves. It's not cherry picking any more than you just cherry pick the parts you like.
Or maybe the bits and pieces you choose to pay attention to matter more than the parts I choose to pay attention to. I mean God speaking to Moses on the mountain top and direct quotes from Jesus are some of the less important parts of the Bible right? Apparently you think its cool to ignore those minor parts of the Bible.
>>698702458
He was probably fucking some slut.
This same bait was posted like 2 days ago, idiots.
>>698702458
That, as pointed out in numerous texts, was a metaphor for being above the ability of man to conquer, not literal.
Next attempt please.
>>698700546
I got nothing against meditation and praying. The reasoning for doing it is sometimes off according to me.
>You don't understand what it means to open your mind
Keep attacking my character instead of my argument.
>You claim to know everything about everyone that silly dumb religitards will never learn anything
I never claimed that I knew everything about everyone, I just use history to my advantage in this argument because people have through religion been abused to the most insane limits in the name of a skydwelling being.
Of course different religions needs to be regarded differently.
And I never said they will never learn anything. Are you triggered or something? Of course they learn but they still stand open to abuse based on "his will", or whatever dumb excuse the pope finds in this century.
>You learned to be a close-minded dick that shitposts on 4chan all day while they achieved hapiness in a greater pursuit. You CAN be happy if you are an atheist but claiming christians are somehow fucking crazy and do crazy things because it's a crazy religion you are wrong.
Where to start. Let's start at the start.
>You learned to be a close-minded dick that shitposts...
Am I the close-minded prick for understanding the dangers of religion as we stand with the most fanatical zealous group within religion we have witnessed in centuries. Is it me that is close-minded for using common knowledge where all you can throw is tantrum after tantrum.
>... on 4chan all day while they achieved happiness in a greater persuit
Not really, I enjoy discussing, but your generalisation is bar non overdue. There are many zealots in religious ranks, whether it's the essence of some spirits they are experiencing in the form of possession, or bombing the shit out of their enemies, you have to admit that happiness in a greater pursuit is a vague term in religion. It can directly be related to suicide bombings, or as they call it "sacred explosions".
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>>698702102
Yeah because it could happen again.
I was thinking of someone else. Slaveowner ship was still common and necessary to keep a kingdom up.
>>698700546
>>698702692
>...You CAN be happy if you are an atheist but claiming christians are somehow fucking crazy and do crazy things because it's a crazy religion you are wrong
Make a coherent sentence instead of this blabbering. Everyone can be happy, even on a murdering spree, what does that have to do with anything.
And did I ever claim that christians are crazy? Clinging to hope is a norm within human society so seing it as crazy is stupid. Seeing as stupid though is not crazy. It's understandable since it makes them feel better, but it still open up for dangerous activities as we see from Islam in this latest decade.
>What do you mean within their religion? Just another claim made by ( you ) the genius.
Before the protestants made the bible readable to the peasants since most couldn't read latin, it was common for people to be able to pay the church of course to avoid punishment for their sins. Islam encourages martyrdom for people who have sinned since it makes them go straight to heaven with 72 virgins.
And just to note, I am mostly reffering to the Abrahamic religions since they are the ones I know the best, and the knowledge I have of the other religions show they keep more to themselves.
And just to note. Just because you aren't religious doesn't make you not crazy, doesn't make you crazy, it frees you from the possibility from being used by powerful people in small or big ways to fuel their agenda based on a story that is more or less fake, created to control people.
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>>698702458
You think you could see Zeus if you climb on Olympus?
Retard. This is not how Gods work.
This is basically the same bullshit like claiming "There is no God because we went to space and didn't see him".
>>698702612
Any news outlets reporting women raped by bulls lately? Zeus was kinda fucked up, I wouldn't put it past him
>>698686317
Because religion is a waste of time. Disprove it please.
>>698702458
At no point has it ever said that Zeus resides in olympus, only that his greatest Temple was there.
>>698701940
the bulk of western fiction (and I qualify that only as I don't have the knowledge to be all inclusive) is filled with morals and lessons. what the fuck does that have to do with there being some all powerful asshole that we must fear and offer all allegiance to while we struggle to get through each day in this miserable, sad world it supposedly created.
>>698702731
You're an authority on how gods work are you?
>>698702692
I'm not even attacking you personally you make a claim to know what meditation is but you don't which is relevant to my post.
Also I don't have time for all this shit.
Stop being pathetic seriously that's all I'm saying call me what you want this is what you are.
>>698702731
oh jesus. god is in your heart faggot.
>>698702731
Why did god have a problem with the tower of Babel but he seems perfectly cool with space programs and skyscrapers that are far higher than anything that can be build from stone.
Oh, maybe the bible is bullshit...
>>698686317
You can't disprove there are invisible goblins who follow you around and sniff your farts.
>>698686317
Do you deny the existence of Allah and Yahweh?
>>698702921
I studied Iliad, Odyssee and Theogony very fervently and now that one does not simply walk onto Olympus and talks to Zeus, yes.
>>698702997
>Oh, maybe the bible is bullshit...
It is, Zeus is the mightiest of the Gods (Iliad VIII, 18)
>>698701946
I honestly don't care enough to argue with you about something so stupid. I fully realize this.
I fully realize this. It's like this. Say you have terminal cancer. The doctor gives you sugar pills. He says that they're magical pills that help you fight the cancer. By simply believing in the effect of the pills, you will have a stronger will to fight. Of course you could easily say "if have no reason to believe in these pills, there are no such thing as magical pills, there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that these pills are magical, I'm not gonna play make-believe." But then, what did you accomplish? If you just think, "gee, I have no way to know if these pills are magic or not, maybe they are!", you'll feel better just believing in it. Get it?
>>698702929
Having a vague idea of what it is and knowing what praying is, I relate them to each other in small ways.
With praying I have a phrase I follow
>Praying is not for the god, it's for the one doing the praying
There is nothing wrong with doing that, whether it's to the sun or god or whoever. I can't care that much about that since it's more about devotion more than anything. Devotion shows integrity, which I respect as well.
>I'm not even attacking you personally
No, you are attacking me to either let me look worse or relieve aggression.
>>698702997
Apparently god is cool with space travel. Here is a Russian priest blessing a Soyuz rocket before launch.
It's cool to reach into the heavens now. You have to use rockets. Building a tower is forbidden though.
>>698703211
Actually that's fair, most of my knowledge of Greek mythology stems from Jason and the Argonauts and various cartoons.
So your saying 2 humans magically appeared out of thin air and banged. And then fucked their children. And then their children fucked. And that's how we became a species.
So we didn't evolve from single cell organisms to multicellular bacteria to small sea creatures to fish to mammals to land creatures to monkeys and then evolved through the multiple proven phases of human evolution to get from ape to man.
No you believe we appeared out of nowhere and your proof is nonexistent.
You really think "god created us in his image" and it wasn't some ape man who thought "oh mabey all these thinks I can't understand are caused by a magical being sitting on a throne in the clouds dressed in a white robe who looks exactly like me" nope no way that's how religion started I must be wrong.
There is no god. Belief in god is because you are either afraid to die and need to think you will continue existing in some way because you're far too egocentric and self centered to realize you aren't the most important person ever. Or because your too ignorant to see the truth that is science in front of you. Idk which you are but it's one of the 2 boy. Grow the fuck up, face your fears and get an education you fucking pussy ass bitch. Come at me with your bullshit ideals
>>698703620
Actually only one human appeared magically out of thin air, the other one grew from a rib.
It's up to the individual making the assertion to prove that assertion. You don't just get to make shit up and say "disprove it". You say god exists, then it's up to you do prove it. That's the way it works.
>>698702359
>Religion is not the be all end all answer to all questions. It's believing in the way of life and having faith.
The exact question here is, is there an invisible sky magician who created everything and has total domain over all our lives and that we must fear and offer all allegiance to? If you are not engaged in answering that question, all you are doing here is asking us to be impressed with how you "feel" about it
and , what is "the way of life"?
>>698686317
Doesn't the fact that it can't be certain either way mean agnosticism is superior?
>>698686317
Religion is based in faith, not logic. It's pretty hard to argue something, logically, that has no logic. Religious people will always believe they are right because whatever book they choose to believe in tells them they are right. Most holy books are copies of each other with a few bits changed here and there. Most have a decent set of morals, but all are misconstrued and used in ways that are more harmful than good.
the picture quote is right on both counts, you can't prove that he doesn't exist, but you can't prove that he does either. You just choose to believe or you don't.
it's only fucked when someone tries to force their beliefs on you. Since no religion on earth can be proven to be "right", any argument they would use would not come from a place of logic.
>>698703620
>So your saying 2 humans magically appeared out of thin air and banged. And then fucked their children. And then their children fucked. And that's how we became a species.
Don't forget the floods. God killed everybody but Noah's family in the floods and the world was repopulated through incest a 2nd time.
But remember, incest is a crime.
Evolution is also impossible. That's why we have Native Americans, Asians, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics etc. that all descended from Noah's family without changing in any way.
>>698703698
Ahh so then your proof must be simple pull out one of your ribs and if it becomes a human god exists. Such an easy proof I wonder why no one's ever proved god exists before.
>>698686317
if god be for us, who could be against us?
just argued your shit tier pic. NEXT
>>698702997
Thinking again about this, maybe it has something to do with the intent.
While Yahwe is a minor deity at best (if he exists at all), the Babel story could make sense in the same way as the story of Bellerophon who tried to ride up to Olympus. Exploring space is fine, challenging the gods is a bad idea.
>>698687214
#3, then what produced god? I have yet to get an answer to this.
>>I believe in God because some guy wrote a book telling me I'd go to hell if I don't.
>>698703868
I don't think it will work, i'm pretty sure i'd need a couple of forbidden apples as a catalyst or something.