What does /b/ think? Will the South rise again?
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What does /b/ think? Will the South rise again?
>>698526762
You lost
Get over it, trailer trash.
>>698526762
yes. trump will become president, the country will turn to shit and the south will secede
>>698526762
No because it's the south. How can the south rise when the word "south" is what it is?
>>698526762
nope.
>>698526762
No it will not because autistic confederateboos like you are a bunch of illiterate rednecks who can't even keep a familu together, let alone a rebellion
>>698526762
When the US starts falling apart in a few years...the north will have alot of the manufacturing and heavy industry. The South will have more armed people who are semi-trained in the use of weapons and tactics. Also there is alot more military hardware stored in the southern states then in the northern ones.
I would venture to say that the war will be a long one...but in the end the south will win out
>>698526762
Senpai, the only thing that's rising is the Sun.
>>698527037
Actually, per the doctrine of reconstruction, no one lost, and we are all Americans. We entered the war a nation of independent states, but came out of the war as one nation, a whole greater than its sum, indivisible.
But the agent provocateurs, paid agitators and useful idiots spouting foreign propaganda, would do everything to re-educate you and tell you otherwise.
No because they're pussies.
>>698527552
>>698527488
Checked and pic related
>>698526762
>south secedes again
>cut off insulin supply
>rebellion over in minutes
>>698527552
>We
Nigga shut the fuck up. You've spent your adolescence on imageboards, not Gettysburg.
>>698527552
whoa, someone's been having a little too much /pol/ack koolaid to drink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnyeqyCiLdo
>>698526762
best you can hope for is trump splits the country when he loses in november and has the new capital of new atlantic city, probably somewhere in south carolina
How the south ever thought it could win in beyond me.
Civil war thread yay!
>>698527951
ive never seen abe lincoln in color. interesting
>>698527810
I spent my adolescence on a military base, in the 90s, so fuck off faggot.
>>698526762
Well they've got nowhere to go but up
the south is like 60% nonwhite lol
No. What la load of crap. How will they rise again? Will they get a loan for gas money from the North?
>>698528509
How does that have anything to do with the confederate?
>>698527810
You were at Gettysburg?
>>698527794
Aha haha!!
>>698526762
nope its just old people and racists anymore lol
>>698526762
I wish the south would reciede again. Most of the welfare states would vanish instantly.
>>698526762
As of this morning, Hillary has a 7 point lead in Georgia--so there's hope that it will.
>>698527552
You mean Fox News?
>>698527488
Impossible. Ignorant illiterate Bible thumpers who don't understand math and have no resources will win? Please asshole, go back to your porch
>>698527354
and yet they're our only hope against the direction this country is heading in
>>698527552
You do know what the south wanted in its secession from the union right? Are you for slavery?
>>698529024
Exactly. Less Republicans, and less welfare recipients
Nah most of the people in the south are dumb as fuck. This is coming from a black guy in the south.
>>698526762
I really don't care about the history of the flag or whether it's racist or not, but honestly, as someone who lives in the south, I fucking hate these inbred trailer trash cunts who shove it in everyones faces they live under that fucking flag by wearing a t- shirt of it, changing their facebook profile picture to that flag, and can't go 8 minutes without talking about how "the south will rise again", and just being annoying cunts. The southern women are also just as annoying, since they are all generic blonde Uggs wearing bitches who either fuck some trailer trash white guy or some ghetto black dude, and not to mention that you guessed it, they slap their fucking flag everywhere and to everyone they know. I quit facebook a long time ago because my fucking feed became so spammed with "liek if u liek the confederate fleg and da south wil ries agan xD". Fuck them.
>>698529314
I agree. Dumb as shit white folks
>>698526762
lol no, but I hope they try when Hillary wins. We could use a few thousand less inbreds in the US.
>>698527047
Underrated and retarded
>>698529546
I was going for the joke don't call me ratarded words hurt
>>698529546
Someone missed the joke
>>698529493
You should never call a whole race dumb mate. No good comes from it. I dislike rednecks and niggers the same but I would not hate a whole race just for the shitty parts of it.
>>698529206
I have ancestors that fought on both sides, ancestors who owned slaves and others who were abolitionists. I'm for a unified nation, where liberal left coast and northeast people realize that their side didn't win a black and white, good vs evil campaign but instead acknowledge that we paid an insanely high price to bring about (slowly) equality for all, and to truly create one nation, instead of an alliance of states.
>>698526762
if they ever made rascal scooters that were fast enough
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
>>698527488
Kek are you serious? Those military arms and bases are Union and ultimately would be controlled by the coasts because that's where the city is.
>The South will remain see again
>We wuz kangs and slave owners and shiet
>>698527794
Top kek
Due to being worthless in red fat fucks, the South cannot physical rise off their Rascals. Roll Tide!
>>698529684
Slavery inst a good vs evil concept? In sorry but if that isn't, very few things are.
>>698527951
>>698527951
It's an interesting question that I haven't really pondered because I'm not American. The Union had much higher population, more industry, larger military. Virtually no hope of intervention by European powers. Aside from a few butthurt Aristocrats, public support in the UK was largely for the US. I don't know what the Monarchy's opinion was but I know that after the revolutionary war George III was said to be highly amicable towards the newly formed US, mostly because British holdings were left intact and new alliance against Spain and Russia formed. Canada as always mostly irrelevant, though some private citizens of British North America enlisted with both sides, about 100x enlisted with the Union. Spain was unlikely to support either side, though in hindsight they probably should have support the South just to keep the US destabilized. Anyone wanna weight in here: how the fuck did they think they could win? The only thing I can think of is that they thought Lincoln would just withdraw his troops and the Union would allow the South to succeed peacefully. Which again seems unrealistic because despite my limited US history I seem to recall Lincoln was a diehard Unionist who drove Indians out of their territory and fought some vampires or something...
>>698529945
If the civil war was simply over slavery I would agree, but it was far more complex. Lincoln wanted to deport all the slaves, anything to just end the nightmare. It was a clash of culture and economics more so than simply slavery = bad.
Most northerners didn't give a shit about slaves, as much as is was an ingrained hatred of the south and the constant backpedaling and compromises to hold the union together.
It was more that the slaves were caught in the middle of an economic and cultural war between an industrialized and economically powerful north, versus a agrarian and rural south.
>>698530625
(You)
>>698530558
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/26/blog-posting/did-abraham-lincoln-plan-send-ex-slaves-central-am/
That is incorrect, he didn't want to report the slaves
>>698530877
Deport**
>>698526762
Used to live in Stone Mountain GA. Loved the south. Better food, people, tangible culture and history, and black people seem a little bit more civilized down there.
>>698530877
That's absolutely wrong. He authorized a plan to re colonize slaves, and abandoned hundreds to starvation during an attempt.
Politifact often likes to twist and revise history.
http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/civil-war/congressional-action-inaction/colonization/
The south is the only part of USA that has any cultural relevance.
The rest of the states is a bunch of sissies, socalists, coon lovers & faggots.
the south may be the asshole of the continent, but i reckon the rest is an un-wiped shitstain.
>>698531201
Recolonize as in move them from the south to another part of the country. Not deport them like you said
>>698531520
What culture does the south have? Remeber that most of them are French immigrents.
>>698531642
god, guns, freedom, honky tonk & cold beer
>>698529945
People just live in a different kind of slavery now. You can just as easily argue that living conditions for the uneducated, poor working classes including large numbers of blacks in North America improved because of technological innovations, mass production, other scientific advancement against 'their lives improved after emancipation'. Many people would still not hire blacks, sell to blacks, rent to blacks, and they were too poor or encumbered by responsibilities to exercise their freedom of movement and take a chance on finding better conditions in the North, where things were actually not all that different. As the quality of life improved marginally for the working class including blacks into the 20th century, the amount of wealth controlled by the aristocracy or establishment was growing exponentially. Creating more opportunity for the working class, the blacks taking the back seat in this endeavor, had more to do with growing the economy i.e. more people buying radios, more jobs making radios, fixing radios, delivering radios, selling radios, etc... While I honestly believe that most Americas are not malevolently racist, I also believe, know that the Union did not fight to end slavery, they found to keep the American Empire intact, which the Confederacy fought, well, to keep slavery, because the South aristocrats were heavily reliant on slavery for their wealth. Because blacks remained the subject of racism and wage slavery for another hundred years these attitudes and the idea of segregation persists today. The acts of compensation, reparation and reconciliation carried undertaken largely by the federal government, and not the US people, added new feelings of resentment with some blacks feeling it wasn't enough, and some whites feeling it was unfair that blacks should be given priority employment or education based on ethnicity rather than merit.
>>698531903
So things that can be bought anywhere. Good "culture"
>>698526762
I grew up in the south and GTFO BECAUSE you're all inbred faggots.
>>698527794
Post of the year
>>698531642
A rural traditionalist society which was derived from a mix of aristocratic landowners, poor sharecroppers, former slaves, and bitter Confederate veterans.
>>698531904
TL:DR if the Union had been about ending slavery/racism we would have dealt with the shit we're dealing with now a century ago. America is still very segregated and maybe blacks do need their own communities like Indian reserves that are not located in the heart of major population centers. But the South ain't never rising again, they did a pretty shit job the first time and now there is no Southern aristocracies to troll the dumb plebs into fighting for their money.
>>698531904
Bad living = slavery now?
>>698532129
Sounds like Northern Ireland or Yugoslavia.
It's a pointless movement led by a bunch of religious retard who can't name more than five countries off the top of their head.
>>698532024
values and morals.
it's different when you are really out in the country, family is a hell of a lot more important, being a man means something not having to call or pay/rely on another man to get something done.
i now live in new york, god damn people are pussies.
>>698527354
FUCKING BUUUURN. LOLOL
>>698532226
People who work minimum wage, service industry jobs, are not intelligent enough to obtain higher education, can't afford a car or a house and have to live paycheck to paycheck renting and never owning land. Many blacks are in this category.
>>698532129
That could be said just about any place in the world and is in now way tied only to the south.
>>698527744
Yeah because the north is full of only the best and brightest like in the bottom part of the pic. While people in the south are more like the guys in the upper half.
>>698532552
That is no where near forced to wear chains and get your feet cut off when trying to escape. No need to strawman
>>698532347
Add in some sweet tea and fried corn, and you're pretty right on.
>>698532438
What values and what morals are any different from anywhere else. What makes the south special?
>>698532778
>What makes the south special?
Well for one we don't slap fines on people for not using trannys' preferred pronouns like in NYC.
>>698530103
I like you. We should be friends.
>>698532968
Well even if your example is true, that would only be NYC culture and has nothing to do with the south. Also source please because that's against the first amendment.
>>698530103
>how the fuck did they think they could win?
Because they were. The south's vastly superior military leadership at the top resulted in some really amazing campaigns where much smaller forces surprised and routed much larger northern ones. In the end they just did not have the men or material to keep up with the north. If it were an even fight, it might have been that one-battle-war that people thought it would be.
>>698533194
http://nypost.com/2016/05/19/city-issues-new-guidelines-on-transgender-pronouns/
>>698529186
Our only hope is pray to god that clinton is hit hard on the head and becomes a moderate.
>>698533194
and here's the "genders" recognized and protect by the NYC overlords.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_Card2015.pdf
Yes this is real.
>>698533460
>nypost
Ahahhahaahaha try something creditble that doesn't have naked pictures in the webpage.
>>698533550
That's not a ban on I seeing the words, that's about bathroom and work place discrimination.
>>698533819
Saying the words** fucking phone
>>698533620
It's the New York Post dawg. And I'm not seeing any naked pictures. That's probably just targeted ads at you since all you do on here if fap probably.
>>698533819
Read the article. They are saying that if you are an employer and you don't use preferred pronouns then it's discrimination and you will be fined. We are doomed.
>>698534032
Nypost is a propaganda website. What news source would show tits
>>698534129
That's the work place not public. Just like how you can't say nigger at work. No where close to what you were describing
>>698526762
The south barely rises from bed each morning due to their crippling obesity
my vote is no
>>698534168
Look faggot, I even posted an nyc.gov link as well. Just shut the fuck up.
The civil war on principle, was fought over two things. Taxes and slavery. The south wanted to secede from the union over the abolition of slavery brought on by politics. The union fought the south over the potential loss of taxation. The war was technically a stalemate, but in reality the south knew they couldn't maintain sustainable economy without federal money, and the union knew it was only a matter of time. To think that the south could be capable of secession in the same manner would only duplicate the same ignorance held by the mostly peckerwood population of the southern states then driven mostly by their resentment of a free black community. The same holds true today. As well as the result of the first civil war. The only difference is whites are now outnumbered, even in the south, by more than just blacks. So it becomes less an issue of Southern whites resentment of blacks, but an overall feeling that no matter what, they'll still always be poor white people who can no longer justify their supremacy. They want to "rise again" because their small minds can't comprehend how to better themselves any better than those whom they've hated and feared ever since the civil war ended. You're anything if not predictable, but no one really gives a shit about the south, your heritage, or your war. You could try to "bear arms" and hold up someplace and shoot a bunch of niggers and the federal government will be down there to fuck your asses with no lube before you can whistle Dixie with tanks and shit. And for what? Because Hilary is elected president? You people are stupid, which is probably why you lost.
Funny how people think that Confederation was racist and Union was so fucking gr8. North set niggers free just to have them on their side in the war. God Im not even American but I'd go with living in the south with "rednecks" than in fag loving rest of the States.
>>698534406
shut up no one is reading that
>>698534363
Did you read what you posted? It doesn't say Shit about anything besides the work place and bathroom use but you are saying it's for everyone everywhere
Texan, here.
We need to rise in reading comprehension and basic science test scores first.
>>698526762
Southern states (except texas) are dependant on the charity of northern states to function.
No.
>>698534434
>>698534434
>North set niggers free just to have them on their side in the war.
Sorta not really though. North was losing, and badly. Lincoln was going to lose reelection. Had to rebrand the war from an invasion of the south to something higher. Think Bush rebranding Iraq from search for WMDs to liberating the people. Emancipation was 100% a political maneuver from a master politician. Had he not needed that, they'd still be in my backyard picking cotton today.
>>698534328
hah
it's true
>>698534499
>but you are saying it's for everyone everywhere
Hmm, are you high because I never said that chief.
>>698534592
Not true but if makes you feel all superior to think it's true then by all means.
>>698534666
So you are saying the civil war happened before the north tried to free the slaves?
>>698534666
Yeah, well thats kinda what I meant but didnt put it the right way. But still there were some black battalions in Union army right?
>>698534723
Where do you think the fines come from then.
>>698531750
Don't be a bitch
>>698532724
Yeah, I herd a baseball player talking about how there is no good 'sweet tea' in the North and Canada, like it's brewed down there and up here it's just mass produced syrups.
>>698532708
>muh chains
The quality of life has changed drastically. Firstly, not all slaves lived in the stereotypical conditions you've seen in shows like Roots or whatever. Also, free whites of the lower classes were not having a picnic either. They could easily be injured or killed in unsafe job conditions that would be illegal today. I'll leave it at that though because I can tell you're committed to your neo-lib ideology and cannot see while leaders like Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama, who I don't dislike, and preaching change and equality, they are living in huge mansions, flying around in helicopters, etc... while many Americans are riding mass transit, the good old multicultural slave ship, and making decisions like 'rent, food, or health insurance?'
>>698532969
Sure, why not? FYI Despite my adamant opinion the South will never 'rise' again, I really like the South. I like the people, I like the culture. I like the romanticized songs and movies about the South as well as the sort of grimmer Faulkner and Steinbeck type novels and histories about the decline of the South.
Like...
>>698531520
There is SOME truth to this. I definitely don't agree with it, but objectively the South had a unique culture apart from the North, Midwest, Prairies, territories (Oklahoma, Utah, new Mexico, Nevada), Texas, and Western seaboard, and at the time of the war only the Northern eastern seaboard of the United States had really the cultural depth and wholeness of society to rival the South.
>>698534955
Yeah, the south had black units as well.
>>698535100
Slave:
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Are they still considered property? No? Not a slave then
>>698534794
Yes that's a historical fact. I think in most peoples' minds, they think the north said slaves will be free and then the war started. Simply not reality.
>>698535171
Dude I didn't know. Sadly we Eurofags don't get educated on USA history much
>>698534786
Face reality, faggot.
And I'm from Georgia.
Only texas takes less in federal money than they pay.
>>698535362
Most people here don't know much about it. Civil War was the defining event of our nation, and your average person can maybe spit out a few names and a battle or two, but knows next to nothing about the context.
>>698535306
http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
First reason is slavery. Where do you get your sorces? Bill oriley?
>>698535508
You're just spitting out stuff that you heard someone else say. It's not reality.
Texas' "jobs boom" is bullshit. We're wooing call centers. They hire a shit-ton of people, keep them on for about a year, MAYBE a year-and-a-half, then they fire them all and start over before they have to give them raises or bonuses.
The people who get laid off go to other call centers or take out student loans to go to one of the countless community colleges popping up everywhere.
It's fucking weird.
>>698526762
Implying that it was ever great
>>698534592
Florida is one of the most populous and economically viable US states. Texas is NOT part of 'the South'. Texas is Texas. If theoretically the CSA did succeed and had the political and military power to remain independent, they would gain control over offshore oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
However, same problem as first civil war: South is littered with military bases loyal to the Federal government. So even if succession and Independence was allowed for some wacky reason, the CSA would be essentially occupied by the US who would use their military superiority to keep the South from controlling offshore oil and other mining and natural resource interests. If the CSA tried to annex those bases, again, civil war the South loses. If they tried to exterminate blacks to lower the surplus population and increase GDP, international intervention, civil war, the South loses. Stay in the United States and maintain the status-quo, the South loses. Pretty much anyway you cut it the South loses. Come to think of it, the South is basically America's Scotland.
>>698535642
I mean sure slavery was a big part. But the souths ENTIRE economy relied on cheap labor working massive farms , without slaves we can all see the effects even today of the massive crash that came . While the north was no moral utopia . Irish and jewish immigrant at the time worked in factories up in the north for essentially no pay as well.
>>698527044
Butthurt johnson voter detected.
>>698535869
>Texas is NOT part of 'the South
KEK, stopped reading there
>>698535642
There were many causes. But yes slavery was a cause. As new states started being admitted into the nation, the debate would rage over whether or not they would enter as free or slave. The reason: because it would upset the balance of power in congress. Missouri. Kansas. These places almost triggered the civil war in the years before 1861.
But the war was not started because the north threatened emancipation. That's the point. Emancipation came later once Lincoln saw that it was politically advantageous.
From North moved to the south. Yes, the south will rise again and a number of northern States will too if the federal government keeps attacking personal freedoms I would expect States to push for their rights again, which could lead to the above.
>>698535886
Are you shitting me? Look how fast their economy boomed after slaves were removed. Techonlogy boomed causing now issue for the work load and we started moving forward with inventions to make life easier. Slavery was a good vs evil concept and history since then has proved this. Look at countries who still use slaves today, they are 3rd world for a reason.
>>698536117
this. people see "slavery was a cause" and interpret that as "the north wanted to end slavery and the south said fuck you and started a war". Not what happened. Arguing about facts with people who don't know what they are talking about is exhausting.
Yes we will. Here is how it will play out
>South secedes from Unition
> Cuts welfare
> All niggers migrate north. Yankees are too "progressive" to halt nigger invastin
>North is now the shithole joke of the country
>Smart Yankees migrate south to get away from niggers
>>698536117
I never once said Lincoln didn't use them to his advantage but saying slavery wasn't the prime cause of the civil war is just incorrect. Yes there were many reasons but slavery is what made the south leave.>>698536291
>>698535869
>military bases loyal to the Federal government.
Not likely. In the event of massive civil unrest to the point of a war, soldiers are not going to side with the government and take up arms against their neighbors, their family, etc. There will be massive defections. A scenario like this probably wouldn't be north vs south but east/west coast vs. heartland. In that scenario the country folk would come out on top because the civilians are armed, most of the military comes from here and would join them. Food production happens here, so the coastal areas loyal to the government would be starved out. And you'd see foreign intervention for sure as those powers would want to have a hand in the outcome. Russia would certainly come in on the side of the rebels, and that would put be the nail in the coffin.
>>698536475
>saying slavery wasn't the prime cause of the civil war is just incorrect.
Didn't say that. I said emancipation wasn't. Big difference.
>>698535263
If you are not wealthy enough to not work and can't even afford to take time off to undertake skills training or education, you're essentially a slave. Yes, you are most likely treated better than a slave in the Confederacy, but you also have a lot more responsibilities such as paying taxes, buying food, paying for water and electricity, paying rent, paying for doctors and dentists bills. If your employer orders you to do something and you don't comply you'll probably be fired. If a police officer orders you to do something and you don't comply, you'll probably be fired at or go to jail. If the federal government decides they need to seize your land to build a highway or airbase you're going to be moving on way or the other. If the courts order you to do something and you don't comply, you will be sued or go to jail or both. Yeah, sure your quality of life is still better than a slave in the confederacy, but that's because the masters quality of life is now exponentially better than masters back then, they probably have sex slaves with better quality of life than you, and most of your quality of life gains have come from revolutions in industry, agriculture, technology and a larger more robust economy that you being a happy little wage slave consumer supports. Free 3 million slaves: 3 million new tax paying consumers. I get it though your tiny little brain has soaked up too much neo-lib propaganda to ever conceptualize the world in terms other than those they dictate to you.
>>698535984
It isn't. Texas is Texas. The "south" is everything east of Texas.
>>698536845
Emancipation is freeing of slaves
>>698526762
Nope. Perhaps if it had tried before the 1960s it might have had a chance.
>>698536979
>If you are not wealthy enough to not work and can't even afford to take time off to undertake skills training or education, you're essentially a slave
Stopped there. This is maximum straw man argument.
>>698537078
Yes, and it had no part in starting the civil war. LIke I said. Jesus fucking christ.
>>698526762
>What does /b/ think? Will the South rise again?
States should have the right to secede. The Feds have been greedy evil fuckers since day one. Fuck Hamilton and the globalist JEW bankers.
>>698537331
If it didnt, then when did they become free? This isn't hard logic
>>698537078
Slavery is slavery. Emancipation is the freeing of slaves. You see how these 2 things are different right? Slavery was a point of contention for decades, but that was because it created a power struggle in congress as I already pointed out. Emancipation was not a point of contention. Abolitionists were a small faction. Lincoln was not an abolitionist until the war was going badly and it because political advantageous.
>>698537442
I can't help you any more.
>>698536845
e·man·ci·pa·tion
əˌmansəˈpāSH(ə)n/
noun
the freeing of someone from slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13himrV7BA
>>698537628
Idiots.
>>698529206
My favorite bullshit argument. Lincoln himself owned slaves. It wasn't about them.
>>698537583
So you are telling me that due to how long the civil war was, it wasn't about freeing the slaves but freeing the slaves was the cause of it. I'll agree That they didn't get freed until after but saying they that doesn't take away from the cause
>>698526762
The South on average can't even get an erection to rise. Maybe they could lose another Civil War.
>>698536782
We're not necessarily talking about 'mass civil unrest'. I don't know if you have some Turner Diaries idea of how this would go down but I'm thinking mostly of the first Civil War. Union Forts were manned by soldiers from all over the country. They held their ground, battles insured.
Similarly today, with maybe the exception of National Guard bases, military bases, Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines are pledged to the United States, not their local communities. Defections among these soldiers would be rare, and many, particularly black and hispanic soldiers would likely side with the US government. Personnel from the South might be transferred out of key positions, to other bases, overseas, etc... as tensions between Southerners and the the Federal government began escalating towards a new succession crisis. And with modern technology, it most aircraft, heavy weapons, and particularly missiles would remain under the control of the US government, again, with the possible exception of National Guard units.
Russia didn't help the South in the first civil war, doubtful they wouldn't help in a new one. Likely they would do whatever they could to simply keep the United States destabilized without actually recognizing a CSA government. China would have no interest other than maybe establishing trade relations. India would likely side with the US. South American countries would have the most economic and political incentive to help a CSA government, but they would also be culturally weary based on 'Southern' values, And if there was a radical breakdown in the US military, most if not all of these countries would probably be more inclined to capture territories in their interest (Alaska for Russia, Hawaii for China, a South American coalition might try to seize control of offshore and coastal resources not easily accessible to resistance), then help either side pick up the pieces. Again, this is a catastrophic breakdown in the military occurred w mass defections.
>>698527951
It actually won the first truly major battle. Then let go of DC for some unknown reason. They had won the first major deciding battle.
Won't happen. Wish it would. America needs another war that isn't just going over and blowing up random tusken Raiders.
Just the obesity and illiteracy rates
>>698529003
So people with some sense
>>698539082
Then canada came in and rekt the first White House, yay canada!
>>698529493
Lol nigger
>>698529537
More Northerners died in the war but alright.
If the South did rise again you could expect the rebellion to be put down swiftly and with overwhelming force.
>>698539323
And since then Canada has done nothing?
>>698539323
"canada". I'm suprised they haven't issued an apology for it even though we did kinda start it.
>>698532212
They almost did they actually had won but they fucked up the end game was probably fixed still nowhere near shit job
>the southern aristocracy needed slaves to stay wealthy and in power
>the south fought the war to prevent the abolishing of slavery
>the North needed the South for it's resources, population, and strategic interest along the Gulf of Mexico
>the North fought the war to remain a fledgling empire and discourage the succession of other states and territories or an invasion by other powers
muh freedom had next to do with it. neither side really cared about niggers, more than 500k were not evens freed by the proclamation, and the federal government wouldn't do anything to promote equality, improve their lives, or make reparations for nearly 100 years. emancipation.actually lowered the standard of living for hundreds of thousands of former slaves many of whom begged their former masters to hire them on, but could not afford to.
not so much arguing with you guys but seeing what y'all think about this
>not america, history student
>>698539323
>>698539616
>>698539756
That was war of 1812 actually, but ugh yeah, sorry about burning down your president's house but you guys invaded us and tried to help Quebec succeed lets just forget about it an play some hockey okay buddy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, the south will rise again. There's already a lot of tension down here and southerners don't like what this country is coming to.
>>698527646
Have you ever been to the South, yank?
>>698537216
Must be interesting to live like this
>>698527646
Lmao, a Yankee called the southerners pussies.
>>698527951
Probably because we can fight like cornered badgers. Check the death tolls in battles. 2 to 1 death ratios. We lost but we made sure to turn the ground red with yankee blood doing so.
>the south almost won the war
what kind of revisionist alternative history are you guise smoking?
there is a huge difference between winning some battles, and winning the war
>>698529626
#triggered
Not while Russell Crowe is owner, or has any say in the team.
>>698541055
Living in society you mean? Because that's all you are saying. Everyone is a slave by your standards but you are arguing the deffinition. And that's something you can't argue against
>>698531040
I need to move up there then. This part of GA they are usually filthy, loud, illiterate mongrels.
idk does this count?
>>698540901
>duh south gonna rise again cuz we mad
see if there were rich Southern aristocrats trying to stay in power this is the sentiment they'd stir up to get you feebs to fight. But all the rich southern businessmen and politicians have their interests tied to that of the united states and thus give no fucks about you.
however, if by some miracle the south does rise again. i think you guys should not further taint the confederate jack and come up with a new flag that people won't have to argue about whether it's racist or not
>>698533370
Fucking this. We were vastly outmarched over and over again. Union navel blockades and absolutely retarded decisions by political leadership (such as refusing to sell cotton overseas, one of our only real exports to sell) causing little to know resources for us to maintain a war. Yet, we still fought like valiantly and bravely over and over. We just couldn't maintain the effort, having to eat acorns and marching without shoes.
South won't rise. That would actually require some form of discipline.
>>698527951
>>698539082
>>698539082
>It actually won the first truly major battle
Won many major battles and often while being outnumbered and with much less material. Chancellorsville was one of the most brilliant military campaigns ever. The south simply had the best military leadership. The north had an army like the world had never seen before, but Lincoln could not find the right general to lead it until late in the war.
>>698539973
>>the south fought the war to prevent the abolishing of slavery
no no no no no no. Abolition was not on the table before the war at all in any shape way or form. No.
>>698542723
Abolishment was the reason. It didn't happen in until 2 years after the war started with the Emancipation proclamation though and I think that's what you are mixing up
>>698542483
The south lost because they got full of themselves. They had the superior military training and tactics, but you kept leaving yourselves open. You left your supplies unguarded. You so busy fighting from the front, you forgot to check your sides. You lost because of hubris, not just because you couldn't maintain the effort. We had more man power, more supplies, and one tactic that would ultimately lead us to victory. We knew the confederate army would just come rushing in, so we camped. It didn't always work for each battle, but it won out in the end.
>>698526762
I hope so. I want a chance to execute all you southern traitors
>>698542918
You're incorrect. Emancipation was absolutely not a reason for the war. It was not on the table until 1862, well after the war started and public opinion and troop morale in the north had taken a nosedive due to enormous losses. Even Spielberg's Lincoln movie spelled this out pretty clearly I thought.
>>698542935
>We knew the confederate army would just come rushing in, so we camped
South actually had a defensive strategy for most of the war. Even when they went on the offense, in Pennsylvania for example, the goal was to get between DC and the federals and force them to attack on ground of their choosing. North was on offense entire war.
>>698537073
This is true. Texans don't consider themselves Southern. They are more like a Southern ally than actual Southerners themselves.
>>698537442
After the war and already started. You'd know that if you opened a fucking book.
>>698543134
http://www.livescience.com/13673-civil-war-anniversary-myths.html
Myth #1: The Civil War wasn't about slavery.
The most widespread myth is also the most basic. Across America, 60 percent to 75 percent of high-school history teachers believe and teach that the South seceded for state's rights, said Jim Loewen, author of "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong" (Touchstone, 1996) and co-editor of "The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader: The 'Great Truth' about the 'Lost Cause'" (University Press of Mississippi, 2010).
>>698539115
>tusken raiders
>>698543431
Which book? You know Texas made books that said they were workers and not slaves right?
>>698526762
Well, the south never really rose to begin with....so...
>>698543433
I don't think I can help you anymore, but I'll say again, "the war wasn't about emancipation" doesn't mean that slavery wasn't a huge factor. But the emancipation of slavery was not a factor whatsoever in starting the war. Lincoln's goal was to keep the country together, not to free slaves. It was not until well into the war that he saw that emancipation would help the war effort.
>>698543907
Prove it then. I showed you my sources
>>698543907
>War was not about slavery
>War was to keep country together
>Country was divided by slavery
>>698543907
Here's another.
While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."
http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/faq/?referrer=https://www.google.com/
>>698544014
>prove it.
Yep, here's why this discussion even exists - people don't know basic history, and they require a citation for known and long established facts. That's not really how it works.
>>698544077
>>War was not about slavery
Yet again, I said slavery was a major factor. Emancipation was not. Please try to figure out the difference.
>>698544211
I've given you two articles proving you otherwise. Yet you are right because it's basic history huh? If it's so basic, why can't you prove it.
Only if trump wins. Which will be a horrible day for humanity in general.
>>698544285
>slavery was the issue
>freeing slaves wasn't the issue
Yeah that makes complete sense
>>698544350
You're an idiot. I can't help you.
>>698544444
I can't help you either.
>>698544451
No, you are full of shit and can't find a source. Its easy. What was the cause of civil war in google.
>>698543907
But Lincoln DIDN'T start the war. It had been brewing since before bloody Kansas. The south started it over slavery. He fought them on their leaving. The party he ran under was the emancipation party though. He wasn't a know nothing or a Democrat. Sheesh
Rise from what? you are inbred redneck trash who shouldn't reproduce anyway.
>>698544667
shut up rust belt faggot no one cares what you think you fucking dipshit
>>698544490
I did it for you and took a screen shot
>>698544709
Triggered#
>>698544760
Yes that's exactly what I've been saying. Did you even read it? Jesus christ. It's like you fucking retards just see the word "slavery" and go nuts and don't put a single thought into context or what it even means.
Slavery.... IN NEW TERRITORIES....POWER OF NATIONAL GOVERNMENT...
Try to think.
yo jd kick it to deez peckwoods how this whole shit actually went down
>>698526762
I think they should have let the south secede the first time. Then you wouldn't have all these retarded Red States sucking up tax money and shitting up the Republican party.
>>698543724
citation please i want these books to plant in school libraries
>>698526762
The Civil War literally destroyed the flower of your manhood, the best and bravest died fighting.
You, Mr. South, will never again "rise".
Those retarded hillbillies couldn't win then and they won't try again because they're cowardly white trash cucks
>>698544978
You first started by saying deport you anus. Then you said it was about slavery but not about abolishing it. Do you really believe that the south went to war because some areas couldn't have slaves? Why would the state's who have slaves get into that war? They have no reason since the current made dates had that right.
>>698545090
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/oct/05/mcgraw-hill-textbook-slaves-workers-texas
They already are in school
>>698544709
we gunna rise, south superiour
southern rednecks don't deserve to be called white, they should be exterminated
ITT:
>correct anons: abolition was the main cause of the war, triggering confederate succession intolerable to the union
>trolls: emancipation was always the goal of the union and fought the war to free slaves
>dumb ppl: the war was about slavery
it aint over till the fat lady sings,but trump has had 19 primary vics,great attendence at his rallies,because he hits back at the lily livered gop wildebeests. assholes enough dingbat brainflatlined hillary goofs are out there,such that she might do it.
>>698545215
>Do you really believe that the south went to war because some areas couldn't have slaves? Why would the state's who have slaves get into that war?
Because new states coming in free meant a shift in the balance of power in congress. And with the election of Lincoln, was was against slavery in new territories, southern states felt that the system was against them.
Again, all facts that we're arguing over right now. Facts.
>>698526762
Shit flag. Here's the more superior flag.
>>698545325
If they just called it '...patterns of migration...' no butthurt libtards could have anything to say about that passage.
>The Atlantic Slave Trade between the 1500s and 1800s brought millions of workers from Africa to the southern United States to work on agricultural plantations.
>slave trade
>no mention of slaves
of course they're workers. what do you buy a bunch of slaves and bring them across the ocean to play golf and sip sweet tea in the shade after? just how dumb are niggers anyway?
>>698546006
See you are saying this but it sure sounds like Lincoln trying to turn the tides before the state's were made which might of kept slavery and shifted that balance. So either way, that would be removing slavery.
>>698546381
They were sold by other niggers or caught like wild game ha
>>698541889
That's not how the wealthy--even upper middle class--live in society.
>>698547018
So communism = freedom. Ok lad
>>698545869
1 and 3 Look the same
>>698541055
Oh, thanks for the support, homeslice.
>>698547228
>communism
>totally irrelevant to conversation
Nobody is talking about abolishing classes. But they exist and obviously people on the bottom have it pretty bad in a capitalist society, and some do not have the abilitiy, intelligent or opportunity to improve thier situation regardless of how much they try. But libtards don't want to accept that cause
>muh social programs
>muh opportunities
>muh equality
>muh not leaving anyone behind
So now who's making strawman arguments?
>>698526762
Yes.
>>698548448
You are arguing that the every day person is a slave. Yes, you would still be the straw man
>>698526762
A collection of astoundingly lazy whites and hand-fed (for generations) blacks..."rise"?
Please....
They can't even feed themselves.
The southern states get more fed money than they put in every single year. They are the ultimate welfare state.
>>698532575
Its because the weak were allowed to reproduce and carry on their beta male genetic material.
Some people call modern medicine a blessing, I call it a curse.
Theres a reason some children should die at birth, we are now witnessing that reason.
>>698526762
With islam and blm terrorists everywhere it may be time! Cwestion is hang em er drag em? Guess however you can take scum out.
The south has the most worthless niggers on welfare and has the most worthless white trash on welfare. Your typical white trailer trash is just as bad your typical no job nigger.
>>698549558
This. Funny how they vote republican though. Its like a gay voting republican.
Seeing as how there are more than one good boot factory and quite a few are in the south, technically yes the south could rise. They won't though
Now some time ago around the time of the desegregation the south was very much more for state rights and they were being limited extremely. The states had forces at their hands that weren't just firefighters at the time and had potential.
Never let anyone tell you the civil war was about slavery. It was a power of the federal government verses power of state. We're at a point now where a state can't decide anything without congressional approval and the presidents signing off on it. Also state rights arguments go beyond just states decisions towards gays and blacks.
>>698549717
I agree completely.
>>698526762
You will ALWAYS BE LOSERS AND TRASH. The entire region could be lost to famine or disaster and it would just be something to watch on TV. But by all means, try....and use this moron as your General....we'll be happy to string him up as a traitor. Know what I'm sayin?
>>698550026
Spotted the faggot that doesn't know where foods comes from. Here's a (you)
>>698547773
dumb people are not actually in the game. it's okay to be dumb there is not much you can do about it if you just don't have the intellectual capacity to understand complex, nuanced concepts you have to conceptualize them in simple ways. the civil war WAS about slavery. wwii WAS about nazis. forrest gump WAS about a retard. and if you have limited intellectual capacity you file that shit under OKAY and get back to skinning potatoes or worrying about your income tax filings, but people who are a little more intelligent want to know more about the root causes and what led up to these events or culmination of factors which caused something inexplicable or extraordinary to happen and then study to aftermath
tl;dr ppl have discussions on /b/ because they are not accountable for their opinions here, both intelligent and not so much and also a whole lot of trolling. troll act dumb to troll intelligent people thus proving they are not as intelligent as they think they are
>>698550240
Do you use anything besides the pidegon statements or can you actually not think of anything Better to say?
>>698550512
Pic related is rice production in the United states. This is a multi billion dollar industry that feeds most of the US. We export more rice than we import.
This is just a tiny portion of the food production in the United states. 90% of it is in the south
>>698527508
MY MOTHER WAS A TAILOR
>>698527047
Kek
>>698527794
Top fucking kek
>>698550026
>blacks rioting across us
>just watch on tv
>baltimore burning to the ground
>just watch on tv
>country going to war with other nations for practically no reason
>just watch on tv
>planes flying into buildings, collapsing into debris cloud covering new york
>just watch on tv
>the president's been shot
>just watch on tv
nigga pls, that's all you burgers ever do
>>698551047
What does that have to do with anything?
>>698529186
The right direction because everything is better than it was 8 years ago,
>>698526762
I dunno, should we burn Atlanta to the ground again?
Rise to what, OP?
To being a threat to America? No.
To making decent BBQ? Already there.
To fucking one's own sister? Yes.
To owning slaves? No.
To improved states right? Not likely.
>>698551047
>wow much rice
fuck off zipperhead. we could replace all the agriculture grown in the south with imports from canada. there is huge swathes of potential farm land which is still covered in forests because they only have 30 million people and not enough export demand.
>>698526762
No but my Dixie wrecked
>>698527488
yeah, just like last time....
>>698546421
>So either way, that would be removing slavery.
No, it would be banning it from starting up in new territories. His platform was not to abolish slavery in the south.
>>698552210
>To fucking one's own sister?
I don't know why people think this is a thing anywhere outside of maybe a few hill people deep in the west virginia mountains.
>>698548448
This picture is dumb because not everyone can be happy with their state ('justice'). Gonna take away that poor mans hard-earned box just because shorty can't go find another?
Fucked up, fam. Who died and made you and your sensibilities lord of the box distribution?
>>698552775
How else would you start banning slavery? Right off the get go and make everyone do it? It takes time so new settlements are the prime opportunity to start
>>698531903
>Anonymous
fuck your god, fuck your honky tonk, you are no more free than any other citizen anywhere in the country. people from the south are inherently stupid. obviously.
>>698527794
I lol'd
>>698552210
>tfw never gtpie lil sis named dixie who you fuck in the ass while whistling dixie
>'its not a sin against god cause i won't get pregnant i reckon, big bro'
>'dammit boy, why you always look so happy when you singing dat gosh dangit song?'
>'i s-say, i say i keep my feathers numbered for just such an emergency'
>>698529351
I live in Texas and I have never seen that. Unless you look for them. You probably live in some shit hole like Tennessee.
Honestly the north fucking sucks
>>698531642
Better food, music, and more jobs for starters.
>>698552914
>who died and made y-
Over 2 million Germans did. Est nao teh Juden will be the ones to die.
>>698534560
You know Houston is one of the leading medical pavilions right?
>>698526762
No. No it won't.
>>698543336
>Texans don't consider themselves Southern
Have you fuckers even been to Texas, how can people be this retarded
>>698554753
This is what I hear from anybody who has lived anywhere north.
>>698554250
Finally, someone who understands what the civil war was actually about to the people who fought it. Even at the height of slavery only 6% of Southern whites owned slaves. Yes the slave owners triggered the succession, but Southern lads fought the war not for these rich aristocrats, but to keep Yankee Chads from raping their beautiful South sisters, mothers, and sweethearts. It was a well known fact that all attractive Northern women we prostitutes living in NYC or Chicago at the time. After the Union victory, now basically all attractive American women are whores.
Good job, nigger lovers.
>>698532575
>>698532438
The northeast is better than the south in almost every quantifiable measure.
We actually care about our citizens health and education.
If anyone has strong culture, it's Massachusetts
http://www.tampabay.com/news/perspective/the-peoplersquos-republic-of-taxachusetts/1230829
>>698526762
Well. It has nowhere to go but up.
>>698526762
If we nuked the beacon of sin that is called Florida, perhaps the south has a chance of rising again.
>>698555071
There was what, like 2 battles fought around Texas during the civil war? Texas was the last to succeed. Texas wanted to return to independance but militarily it would be unsustanable and even Mexico might try to reannex the independant nation it part or whole. Because of it's previous status as part of Mexico, fontier status, and strong independance movement it has a very different culture than the rest of the South. Whether or not you're a Texan and consider yourself a 'Rebel' depends mainly and georgraphy with the more populous East Texas having stronger Confederate roots, where central and western Texas are more independant, trail blaizer types, and then you got all those crazy mother fuckers on the border with Mexico where you'll hardly ever see confederate flags unless its to piss off wetbacks.
>>698526762
The only people who say that shit are everything that is wrong with the South. They aren't going to do shit except continue to be poor, uneducated pieces of shit, on the margins of society.
too much bitterness
>>698554758
Yes the welfare states have jobs. Who would of guessed.
>>698557140
It's all the niggers down there on welfare, cuck. If you're white you can throw a rock and hit a job.
>>698537331
Technically it started with the skirmishes over emancipation. Bloody Kansas Google it. Lincoln's party favored putting an end to the SPREAD of slavery. From there shit got complicated because the slave states tried to form their own nation, while still having skirmishes. Then they went and took over a fort and raided it for weapons and supplies. That's when the war broke out. So if WAS over slavery. It just wasn't declared by the north. The fucking south did it. They went to war to protect the institution of slavery. Folks it's not that complicated.
Things that matter:
>Confederate Heroes
Things that don't matter:
>black lives
Questions?
>>698557752
>skirmishes over emancipation
stopped reading; get your terminology straight.
>>698526762
I can only hope
>>698558183
Misspelled heroes.
>>698526762
The south will never rise from their rascal scooters. The fat has grown around it.
The only southern flag that matters.
>>698537388
The south had a Jew third in line for presidency.
>>698541055
Says someone who supports the Republican party...
I've never seen delusion, deceit and manipulation in my lifetime like you see in today's pathetic, brainwashed republican party.
It's a collection of sociopaths and scumbags manipulating stupid people.
>>698526762
yes, it need to rise because the cock it's going to suck is attached to a 6'7 black man.
>>698558405
It's a welfare state bruh, they couldn't afford the 'e'
>>698558354
Ok. Skirmishes over northerners wanting to end slavery and the attempt by southerners to take over Kansas by stuffing the ballot box at gun point. Bloody Kansas.
>>698527488
haha yeah those semiautomatic AR-15 will do a great work!
haha
also red is where the nukes are (besides the ones being on mobile or abroad which are crontrolled from WDC)
(green our nuclear powerplants, blue is nuke development and testing)
>>698558183
>>698558183
define anonymous
>>698558405
Ha... caught that too.
Maybe the South needs to go back to Skool.
>>698558779
Well the south does eat federal dollars I hope trump gets elected and takes the federal funding away from them. He's a new Yorker.
>>698526762
This is some bait. 0/10
Why do Americans think the president actually has any control over domestic or foreign policy?
>>698527488
The North will arm drones with better encryption. Good luck beating thousands of drones with handguns attached.
>>698557548
Yep you guys can keep the niggers. But it's actually half and half for welfare
