Do you believe in God? Why/not?
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Do you believe in God?
Why/not?
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>>698345223
I would seal my lips around that asshole and make her shit in my mouth.
No. It's almost impossible to be intelligent and study philosophy and still end up religious. Religion is for the uneducated or the campartmentalized mind.
I pity people who believe in ghosts in the clouds and monsters under the bed.
>>698345630
I know this is a bait but still.
>Religion is for the uneducated
Study successful educated people
>>698345630
It really makes
Yet some of the smartest people in history were the same way and then became religious at a later age
>>698345785
How is that bait?
>>698345785
Just because you disagree doesn't mean its bait. He's right, the majority of philosophers are non-religious. Especially those who specialize in philosophy of religion.
It is extremely rare to be both intelligent and well-versed in logic/philosophy, and believe in God.
>>698345223
only science and nature exist.
there's no one whose magical.
i like to believe we move on somewhere and are reunited with lost ones, but I'm not some preaching bible basher.
there was a man named jesus as much as there was a man named spartacus, a woman mamed cleopatra.
anyone who needs the bible and the """"word of God"""""" for a moral compass should be institualized.
Not a huge fan of organized religion but I think there's something bigger than us
>>698345223
>>698345630
>i'm sooooo intelligent
>campartmentalized
>>698345223
I do not believe in a benevolent god. Either there is no god, or he is evil for not making all muslim children stillborn.
>>698345944
Because it's copy pasta. Stale copy pasta.
>>698345223
because, proven facts seem more appealing than having faith in something that has no true backround besides hearsay
>>698347947
true there probably is something bigger than us but it would have to be beyond our world, too many planets and solar systems to believe only earth matters
If dubs there is no god
Check em
I have a hard time believing in fictional characters.
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>>698349105
guess there is
>>698345785
>its bait because I don't agree with it
ok
>>698345785
not bait
>>698349266
oh boy
>>698349888
chek'd
A belief system that betrays facts for tradition and faith. Something that's just an evolved form of a system developed from the beginning of our civilizations. Those answers can't be the correct ones, and science is constantly moving in this direction. Where's the physical evidence?
I don't believe in the pink unicorn either.
He killed baby's fuck that nigger
yes but its nothing like they tell you.
>>698345630
What an autistic thing to say. I'm becoming a Neurologist and I believe in God.
No, based on personal observations and experiences.
I went to bible school. Had baptism, communion, confirmation. Shit childhood wit alcoholic dad, mom who literally fucks around with "white magic". Could've died 3 times now. Age 7 went flying through dashboard in car accident cause dad was drunk. Age like 8 babysitters son had a pillow over me and I could not breath in horrible pain. Age 18 robbed at gunpoint. I'm no angel. I do degenerate shit. But you can't tell me that's part of gods plan. Little kids who die in fires. Homes destroyed in places like Haiti or Lousiana. A father killed buying milk. A mother who struggles to feed her 3 kids after the father left, one kid came out retarded, and a son who is in and out of juvy. No one 'is destined' to deserve shit. Its natural selection. Survival of the fittest. Everything happens for a reason. Magic is just science we don't understand yet.
>>698352183
which one and why that one in particular?
God exists. It isnt something separate from us. The sum of all consciousness is god. When you learn to accept that we are manifestations of something much larger you'll understand what God is
>>698345223
I used to not believe in God, but then somebody on /b/ posted a pic of that girl from Neverending Story, and made some really cogent points about the folly of atheism. Now I've accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. I once was lost, but now I'm found!
>>698352478
>The sum of all consciousness is god
>we are manifestations of something much larger
You're contradicting yourself here, no?
>>698352556
Don't bother trying to pick apart vague spirituality.
>>698345223
Because I just don't.
>>698352525
Post the pic
why do newfags care if their mother dies in her sleep?
>>698352707
?
>>698345223
no, cuz i'm still a virgin
>>698345223
google image harlequin fetus
>>698345785
Religion is for the uneducated. Example: Africa, all religious as fuck and stupid like a 6 year old with down syndrome.
Also most scientist are atheist. So we have a clear line between the smartest who arent religious and the dumbest who are.
There is no proof of a god. None. As for those educated people who do believe in a diety, what classes did they take proving the existence of a god? Philosophy? Fail....
>>698345223
more of this girl?
>>698345223
What did he do before humans created him
>>698345630
>>698348204
>>698352986
Some may think that the individual who spend his or her life memorizing shit out of a book just to be able to spew it out on command isn't actually very smart
>>698353036
Well, if I look at the same perspective you look from, there is no proof that there is no god.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
-Epicurus
>>698345223
No. If God existed then there would be no point in praying to him because he "has a plan" for everyone and praying wouldn't change things. However if praying did change things then that means God isn't perfect, and therefore not God.
Additionally, a thought popularized by Karl Marx, religion is a way to keep the lower class down. This works because you teach them that they don't need to try and improve their lives now because they'll have it all taken care of in the next life, so they all believe that "it'll all work out in the end."
I cannot believe in a being something that has no evidence and expects unconditional trust.
No, because my family has never been religious.
>>698352183
>becoming
Being a Freshman in college and watching neurosurgeon videos on Youtube doesn't give you any credibility in neurology
>>698353334
Assuming Christianity here:
You don't realize what it means if God were to prevent all evil. It means the end of the world. It means the second coming, the rapture, and the apocalypse. It means casting all the unbelievers into the pit of fire.
God isnt going to just sit back and let humans do all kinds of fucked up shit and then keep cleaning up the mess. When God fixes the world, it's gonna get fixed HARD.
So the answer is that He is obviously able, and He is willing, He just hasn't done it yet.
>>698353752
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>>698345223
I don't need to believe because it keeps happening whether I believe it or not.
It's not a belief powered energy structure.
i am not that religious but i do believe there is some 'being' that created us i see religion as something that creates fear in people to stay organized and that fear is backed by a lot of things to give that fear a little realism, well these are just my opinions
>>698353752
So God would rather put a thumb up his ass and sit on it, than help the world?
Sounds like someone I want to believe in!
>>698346767
>there was a man named jesus as much as there was a man named spartacus
Actually, this is bullshit.
Jesus most likely didn't exist. The only "evidence" of jesus' existence is in the altered documents of the historians at the time. None of them mention a "jesus" but some rather vague statement of the christ.
One of the historians were murdered before the entry was made.
>>698354096
Sauce?
>>698353392
You don't understand the nature of prayer and what prayer really is in the context of Christianity. It's not a vending machine where you insert prayer and receive candy.
God exists outside of time. There's no "changing the future". He sees it all. The past, present, and future all just "are".
Basically, you're constraining God by time as if He's just floating along in time with us, flipping switches as we ask for things.
>>698354181
>>698352183
Education to Become a Neurologist in the United States
Four years of pre-medical education in a college or university
Four years of medical school resulting in an M.D. or D.O. degree (doctor of medicine or doctor of osteopathy degree)
One year internship in either internal medicine or medicine/surgery
At least 3 years of specialty training in an accredited neurology residency program
>WHere'd you study anon?
>Protip
No neurologist would inaccurately use the word autistic like you did.
>>698354096
there are tombs of a lot of prophets if there were other prophets than there would also be jesus or Hazrat Eesa according to muslim history
>>698354181
What did "god" do before we created him?
>>698353752
>e it yet.
If god doesn't make a perfect world even though he is omnipotent then he is malevolent.
>>698354181
>flipping switches as we ask for things
>He sees it all
I'm so glad these things were in the Bible and not half assed arguments religious people made, oh wait.
If it truly were perfect he wouldn't need to "flip switches." You're basically saying God has a lot of blueprints around and will implement them as we ask for them, but if it were perfect he wouldn't need multiple options to choose from, since it would be perfect form the start.
>>698345223
Am a good guy, in shape and pretty chill. Still virgin. Am 21. Yeah God totally exists.
>>698354010
Like I said, you don't understand.
If God decided to stop all evil today, it would mean you being cast into the pit of fire.
So yes He's willing. And He will end all evil. And of course he's able. He just hasn't done it yet. How can we ever understand God's timeline? Maybe He's waiting so that as many people can be saved as possible. Maybe by allowing all the evil in the world to exist, he's also allowing more people to become saved and get to heaven.
Either way, God isnt just going to sit there and flip switches to stop all evil from happening. Humans have the free will to make choices, and Satan has his influence over the world. God doesn't do things imperfectly, so when he fixes evil in the world, it means destroying Satan, casting all the unsaved into the pit of fire, and remaking the world. Aka the book of revelations. You should actually be glad that God hasn't done it yet anon.
Once we crack the human brain and learn to transfer all of it's belongings into a machine, you will no longer have to believe in God.
Hence, why I ALSO am becoming a Neurologist.
>>698345223
I believe in gods. Perhaps an arche. Because i want to.
>>698353334
I agree with this, but it's not from Epicurus. Epicurus lived before the Christians, and the greek gods aren't so powerful, so he can't talk about them here.
>>698353334
Immature drivel. Something fucked up happened, when fucked up things happen the natural system makes sure it's good and if it doesn't it goes to hell.
>>698353392
Praying for anything aside from your own mental condition is kind of idiotic, it's challenging the pure perfectness of nature with your own sin tainted judgements.
God is so beyond caring about individuals. You think God cares, it doesn't even pay attention it just has a righteous law that it fucks you over for not abiding by, everything aside that is real basic cause and effect. And the 11th commandment is thou shalt not fuck with raw C Poppa.
>>698353036
The writing's on the wall.
>>698352478
>The sum of all consciousness is god. When you learn to accept that we are manifestations of something much larger you'll understand what God is
I've gotta argue semantics and point out that all consciousness is ATTACHED to God.
>>698354158
I don't have suace 'cause it comes from more than onesource and more than a while ago.
Mythicists' arguments are fairly plausible, Ehrman says. According to them, Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man.
But i challenge you to find evidence of his existence.
>>698354181
So he is useless.
religion just started as stories to instill morals into the young that just got blown out of proportion
The only reason to believe in God/Allah/Yahweh are a couple old books written by some Greeks conned by some illiterate desert nomads. These books tell stories no different than any other creation myths with acts that are as believable as those attributed to Zeus and Odin. Doesn't seem like a good enough reason to believe in an unfalsifiable afterlife. I have as much evidence for Eris and Sithrak the Bind Gibberer as I do for the God of Abraham.
>>698354405
He did make a perfect world. Humans fucked it up because He wanted us to have free will instead of being automatons.
>>698354415
You're arguing that a perfect God means the entire world would be perfect forever and nothing bad would ever happen. That's stupid. Anon was trying to claim there's a logical inconsistency with prayer, saying that either God has a plan and everything is predetermined so prayer is useless, or prayer actually changes what God was planning or doing so that means he doesn't have a perfect plan. I'm saying that framing it that way is a misunderstanding of the nature of what prayer is, as well as constraining God by our conception of time.
Atheists have a gross misunderstanding of what prayer is. Like I said, prayer isn't like a vending machine where you insert a prayer and Jesus just gives you something.
>>698346767
>anyone who needs the bible and the """"word of God"""""" for a moral compass should be institualized.
How did the word of god get so infamous as to necessitate a worldwide religious cover up?
>>698354302
> if there were other prophets than there would also be jesus
This is just jumping to conclusions.
What is the earliest built tomb of these prophets?
Also, never trust a religiousfag with the history books.
>>698345223
If an ass like that exists
I do now
>>698345630
>tips fedora
>>698354442
>Humans have the free will to make choices
Then why do people hate gays so much? I mean, it's free will anon.
aLSO SAUCE FOR ALL THIS.
>>698354442
>>698354588
>>698354712
>I don't believe in God because of all these plot holes
>No, you just don't understand God.
>But what about A, B, and C?
>YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HIM
Arguing with religious people is like trying to run in the swimming pool, frustrating, slow moving, and you look silly.
Much easier to get out and go on with your life.
>>698345223
I have OCD with intrusive thought regarding god etc. By giving up religion made my life so much better. I don't live in constant guilt anymore.
>>698354597
This is false. The gospels can be traced back to within the lifetimes of the people who were alive at the time Jesus lived. Reputable historians like Josephus and Tacitus refer to Jesus.
You can deny the deity of Jesus, but to say he didn't even exist is pure retardedness
>>698354680
This.
>>698354442
Man, how can someone so loving and caring wish my eternal damnation for having sex outside of marriage, and not stoning every gay person I've ever come across, or for working on Sunday.
"Maybe by allowing all the evil in the world to exist, he's also allowing more people to become saved and get to heaven." -DenseMotherFucker
I wonder what happens to all those Africans or children who do not know his name, our lord, God. Do they go to Heaven... or eternal damnation for never hearing the Word?
Man, people are sure getting saved alright.
Go study Nietzsche.
>>698354281
Pre-med counts as becoming. LOTS of people are still in pre-med at 24. Also you take something called an mcat, take an interview to get IN med then after the 4 years you do something called residency. My dad is a lawyer and has said the word nigger before, does that mean he's not a lawyer?
>>698353334
God is malevolent. The idea that He is all loving is just a way to sell it.
I believe in something because life and the universe is just too fucking absurd otherwise
>>698354712
Then why are we getting punished for his mistake?
It's like me saying to my kids "you can be anything you want son." Then watching him grow up to suck dicks and wear skirts and punishing him for all eternity for not behaving the way i want. It's redundant to give something free will and then punishing it for not behaving according to your own will.
>>698354597
The Burden of Proof is on you for trying to give me an answer with no proof. YOU are trying to convince ME.
>>698354813
Sauce: the Bible and the study of it.
>>698354814
If you constrain God by our perception of time, and restrict God to literally being a space wizard sitting around pulling strings to steer the universe, you have a faulty understanding of the Judeo-Christian concept of God.
>>698345630
>philosophy
>intelligent
Philosophy's a deader field than Liberal Arts or "Communications with an emphasis in NOTHING." Clearly someone saying studying Philosophy is intelligent is in denial of the grave mistake they've made.
Now if you had said Psychology, I could've at least understood you. Some psychologists believe that God is nothing more than a coping mechanism for those in turmoil or those uneducated in the higher processes of the brain (Though I'm fairly certain our Lord and Savior Descartes disagreed).
>>698354981
Right judgement. Wrong conclusion.
>>698354814
Well said.
I don't. What has a god ever done for me? There is no proof. and just god wouldn't allow the misery that goes on in our world, so even if a god or gods exist, they aren't worthy of worship anyway.
>>698354998
Ahh, of course! "The Bible says that the Bible is right, so it must be!" 0/10.
>>698354998
>The proof of God is this book
>The validity of the book comes from this book
>The validity of that comes from this book also
>All these miracles described in the books
>Suddenly miracles stop happening once video recording begins
>No experiments you can do
>Because "God" is beyond our understanding
It's basically "believe in this because it says so," and "He's testing your faith."
Bullshit that has no actual backing.
>>698354814
What plot hole?
>>698355195
>>698354856
He doesn't wish your eternal damnation. Everyone is a sinner. He gave us a way out. It's really easy too.
As for some African kid who never ever heard of Christianity, first of all, it's a kid, and it's pretty accepted Christian theology that children who aren't capable of understanding or making the conscious decision to believe and be saved or not are going to heaven. Just like a 1 month old baby who dies is going to heaven. Second of all, there are several possibilities of what happens to that person who lived on an island and never heard of Jesus, all of them basically come down to "we don't know how that works, but God is just and merciful so we trust that He'll figure it out just fine."
You're gonna call that answer wishy washy but what more do you want. The Bible doesn't tell us what happens to those people because it's not relevant. It tells us our mission is to spread the word as much as possible so people like that African do hear about Jesus. But what happens to the ones who never do? We don't know.
>>698354837
Tacitus was a Roman historian writing early in the 2nd century A.D
So this guy witnessed jesus 2 centuries after his death?
It's retarded to think he exists when there were only three historians who mentioned "the christ" who existed in the area during the time of jesus.
>>698354861
>My dad is a lawyer and has said the word nigger before, does that mean he's not a lawyer?
This has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
>>698355221
Holes. Also read the file name
>>698345630
You don't need to be religious to believe in a higher power.
>>698354814
I'm not a Christian or any other bs religion but I see god as are ruler and creator. We are just his plaything living in his world for his entertainment. Yeah we praise him and have monuments of him but he probably thinks its cute that we his "children" adore him knowing he himself doesn't care about us the way he care for him. Also what other faggot was saying god will end all evil by destroying us.... because we are sinners.... meaning we are the evil.
>>698354712
Free will doesn't exist if there is a future like you said.
>God exists outside of time. There's no "changing the future". He sees it all. The past, present, and future all just "are".
If there is a future, then free will doesn't exist. You can't predict the future if you have free will, because if free will exist in 1000 versions of the same event, there will be 1000 different ending of this event.
>>698354986
>YOU are trying to convince ME.
No, i'm not anon-chan.
>>698354998
>The bible
>Sauce
Pick one because the pope disagrees with you.
I used to be hella religious.
Get up. Pray.
Go to sleep. Pray.
This was my literal prayer for 10+ years, everyday.
"Dear God, please protect me, my friends, my family... everyone that I know, and do not yet know. Please, if they're any demons in this room or building, please destroy them. And God? If I ever lose faith and become an Athiest... kill me."
After studying Philosophy and doing my own research into the book itself, finding all of the logical fallacies, I gave up my Faith.
That was a year ago.
And I've loved my life more now than ever.
No. I got older and managed to question what we're told.
>>698355221
>Where are the miracles now? People surviving in hospitals don't count, that's called modern medicine.
>Why is the God of the Old Testament much more merciful form the New Testament?
>Why doesn't God smite those that use his name for profit or praise other deities like he did in the Bible.
>How did Jonah survive in a whale? Stomach acid should have destroyed him.
Let me guess, God's power saved him. I wish he'd use that divine power to save those starving and abused children rather than an old asshole.
These are just the top of my head. I can find so much more if I look back in my Bible.
>>698345223
God is of human creation. A part of human psique that answer 3 questions:
-societal ethic rules.
Why we are here? (and other philosophical questions).
To explain the unexplained.
Religions existed in almost all cultures, even the isolated ones.
For centuries, religion's moral codes (and it's punishments) acted as today's laws do. To deny the utility of religion through history is to deny today's legal system utility. It clearly filled a gap that allowed us to improve as a social species. It allowed us to have a better design of rules that we could ever had with instinct rules that other animals have.
Philosophical questions helped humans to "understand it's place", it made it easier to not collapse to the absurd cumuli of casualties that made life, and maybe to be of some usefulness to society. Of course it isn't the only source to put some sense to our lives, but religions filled the gap that we today understand as philosophy. It is only natural to ask ourselves for these questions, we just happened to named it religion for centuries.
Just as science try to explain the unexplained, human curiosity needs to find answers. Religions were so useful for centuries as today is science.
Of course, today there is no necessity for religion. Law system makes a better job, Philosophers makes a better job, and science makes a better job. Humans's psique NEEDS those aspects of their life covered. Religions did.
> Does god exists?
Yes, just as much as pain. It's a human concept you're born with.
>>698354985
It's not redundant at all.
There would be no point to God creating humans as mindless beings who were incapable of not worshiping him and following his laws. That would just be robots. So He gave us free will to choose to follow him or not. The fact that there are consequences to making choices doesn't mean the choices are invalid.
You can choose between eating a chocolate bar and eating an apple. The chocolate bar comes with consequences. But that doesnt mean that your freedom to choose is invalid.
>>698345223
I beleive in a cosmic being that made us all, but i don't believe it like all the sheeps who think that because they were born into a specific religion then that one must be true.
I think all kinds of holy scripts (The bible, quran, tora, etc) are just a tool to control the masses and give them a sense of belonging to something, so they don't stray from the road they we're "supposed" to go.
I mean, if you think about it, if there is a god in the sky, he won't really judge you if you eat bacon, or if you don't go to church, and specially if you don't kill infidels . i don't think that a being that made everything in existence really gives a shit about stuff like that.
God doesn't exist because there are no qt goblins.
>>698355663
Because God isn't inherently good.
>>698355712
>Create people
>Give them the ability to question and have free will
>Do nothing and expect them to follow you
>If they question you and defy you, make them suffer
Doesn't sound like a God, sounds like a sadistic 12 year old playing with ants.
>>698355190
You fucking neck beard. You were waiting all thread to pull that one out weren't you?
>Ask for source of Christian understanding of God
>Answer is the Bible
>Lol omg Bible said it so it must be true lol chrsitfags btfo omg lol euphoric
Retard.
>>698355712
There's also no point in creating humans if you know all the choices they're going to make anyway.
>>698345630
Thinks he's too intelligent for religion but he can't even spell.
>>698345223
When I was around 12+ I was the classic shy kid who was depressed. Literally hide in the closet crying because I didn't understand why I was sad or had no friends. Asked God why I felt this way, and no answer. So I gave up on the belief.
Fast forward to 22ish, I am finally getting over crippling social anxiety, and in 2014 I was accepted in grad school. Now in 2 years I will graduate as a doctor, currently driving a low end sports car (BRZ) while I have to drive a ton, I own some stock in tesla (bought at $120), had some in IPWR but managed to sell before they went down. Had an interview for an intern job position for the company I wanted recently. Plus I have an in for the residency I want to have since I know the resident doctor. And I started bodybuilding which has done wonders for my self esteem and stress levels. 2 hours a day and I feel zero stress or anxiety, and the benefits are that I've gained a ton of muscle weight over 4 years. Granted I do take protein, but I still eat whatever I want basically.
As for friends: everyone I've meet in undergrad is basically an idiot. Like maybe 1 person was okay. Now in grad school I would say everyone is around the same level so you can actually hang out with ppl who aren't...well...idiots. And I am surprised at how many hot girls are going to be doctors. One just looks like a straight up super model, but she is a little crazy ha.
Only bad thing is that I will graduate with around 200k in student loans thanks to grad school.
Can't wait around for God to help, need to just get things done ourselves.
>>698355796
Then that means there is no God.
>>698354986
dis guy is right
>>698355440
Just because God exists outside of time and knows what decision you will make, it doesn't mean you don't have that free choice.
Come on anon. This isn't that complicated. God is outside of time. He already sees what decision you're going to make. He sees it as if it's already happened. It doesn't mean you didn't actually have a free choice. Of course you did.
>>698355919
I don't follow your logic.
>>698355712
>The chocolate bar comes with consequences. But that doesnt mean that your freedom to choose is invalid.
If those consequences are an eternity in hell, it's sadistic.
I don't believe in god because i, myself am more merciful and hold more love for everything than the god the holy texts portray.
>>698355816
Not really. I just loaded the board when I saw it, and decided to create trouble. Glad someone took the bait!
>>698355976
So if he already knows what I'm going to do, then he's punishing me for something I can't change and he's not willing to help me change.
What a dickwad.
>>698355976
That's not how free will works. He could write down the list of things you do everyday for the rest of your life and it will never be wrong. You didn't actually have free will, only the illusion of it.
>>698345223
No I don't believe in God, but equally, I'm not of the belief a God absolutely doesn't exist. Both stances require an irrational and unsupportable leap of faith - to conclude something to be true without taking the incremental 'if this, this and this are true, then this also must be true' groundwork steps.
It's impossible to carry out this process to determine the existence or non-existance of God, when there is simply no observable, testable data
>>698355825
Now you're getting into asking why God created the universe at all and why He created humans. Who the fuck knows?
>inb4 neck beard goes "aha see, chrsitfags says he doesn't know, lol religion stupid"
>>698356063
God is you're ruler bitch
Hate or praise you get the same treatment as everyone else
>>698345223
Why would a god create such an expansive universe for his 'chosen' creatures to inhabit like 0.000000000000015% and only ever be able to see like 0.000000004% of it?
>>698355816
>>698356257
You think we are special kiddo
>>698356148
>Who the fuck knows?
Why do you pretend to know anything then?
God's will is mysterious.
And by his will(according to you) i'ma post more fag.
>>698356247
>You get to be judged for things you never had control for in the first place even though we told you you had control over them
Fallacies have no merit, anon, and neither does God
>>698355998
It's not sadistic if there's an extremely easy way to not suffer for eternity. You literally just need to ask for forgiveness and salvation.
>>698355976
Yes, it means I don't have free choice. Because if I have a free choice, I can make a lot of different choices for the same thing, and you can't predict the future with that. God can't exist if the free will exist. He can exist only with determinism, but that makes him an asshole.
>>698356039
>Act like retarded neck beard
>Get called retard
>Lol I was just acting retarded, I fooled you! Lol you got baited!
Ok.
>>698356063
You can change it because it's your choice. Again, just because God knows what you're gonna choose, doesn't mean you don't have a choice. Consider looking at a past event in your life where you had to make a choice. You now know the decision you made and all the consequences and results of it. Does that mean you didn't have that free choice to make? Of course not.
And of course he's willing to help you change.
>>698356364
So i can rape bitches and molest children as long as i candidly repent?
Sounds good, sign me up.
Btw this attitude is the cause of child abuse in religion.
hAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD OF THE CRUSADES? oR THAT THING THE MAFIA HAVE BEING DOING RECENTLY WHERE THEY SPILL BLOOD ONTO A PHOTO OF THEIR NEXT KILL SO GOD FORGIVES THEM?
tHE POPE DISAGREES WITH YOU ANON-CHAN.
>>698356364
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ -Matthew 7:21-23
Nice try though.
>>698356121
Like I said to the other anon, look back at your own life at some point where you had to make a decision.
Did you have the freedom to make that choice? Yes? But look, you know the choice you made, you know what you decided to choose, so that means you never really had a choice right? Of course not.
>>698356529
>And of course he's willing to help you change
How?
Do i have to pray the gay away?
>>698356641
Wait for it.........
>>698356529
Gotta love the good "christian" calling people retards. How typically godly of you.
>>698356538
Yes, but only if you're REALLY REALLY sorry for the things you did.
You are only further proving my point. My past is set, it cannot be changed. And from an omnipotent God's point of view, everyone's life is set and cannot be changed. At no point can you make a choice that will alter the outcome. Your choices are illusions.
>>698356789
Well i will be, AFTER i'm finished no doubt.
>>698356462
K here's the problem. You said "you can't predict the future with that".
God isn't a fortune teller predicting your future. You're constraining God with human perception of time. God exists outside of time. There is no future or past for God. Everything just "is".
God knowing what you're going to choose doesn't mean you didn't make that choice willingly.
There simply isn't a link there. God knowing what choice you're going to make doesn't mean you aren't making the choice freely.
>>698345223
You cannot reason someone out of a position they were not reasoned into.
Answer to OP: No, Because I have morals.
>>698345223
i believe in the possibility of a god and also not at all, if there is any kind of all powerful being out there that created everything then its not as we would know it, anything that powerful wouldnt put down guidelines or rules on life, it just doesnt make sense, i cant imagine the scenario of dying and finding myself in some dreamworld gated off with the words "no gays/sinners/smellybrownpeople" a "sin" to something that powerful would have to be something so otherworldly that its an affront to its own existence.
>>698345630
Religion and God don't mix
>>698345223
You can't truly "believe" if you have no fucking memory or proof of it. Unless you're schizophrenic and your mind made it up.
You can only have faith.
>>698356864
> God exists outside of time.
Who told you that silly anon-sama?
>>698356826
You get it
Everyone in this thread acts like they have freewill when it comes to god
You dont
Your just another mouse in his cage
>>698355409
>kek dat File name
Welp, time to go. Was a good and entertaining chat /b/ros. I have to wake up early and it's 4:43 A.M. over where I'm at.
If God's a bro, I'll share a shot or two of my Bicardi 151, but if he wants to send me to hell... I'll smash the goddamn bottle overs his head.
I do not, and I'm very sorry about that. But I want to believe.
This thread needs more traps
>>698356592
Here's how it works.
You only need to ask to be forgiven and saved. But if you really honestly mean it, if you just accepted Jesus as your Lord, that's gonna change your life. Now that doesn't mean you're never going to sin again. But basically, Jesus said something along the lines of you can know the tree by its fruit. If you say you're saved and asked God for forgiveness and to be saved but you arent producing good fruit, it really calls into question whether you really got saved in the first place.
I love when atheists try to use Bible quotes to argue against me as if they know the Bible better than I do. Come on anon.
>>698357005
Anon-kun, try some jolly kraken rum.
Shit is so tasty.
>>698357005
Yeah smash the bottle
Huhu have fun at work silly anon
>>698355409
If the Bible is God's word, then one contradiction makes it invalid. Take your pick.
>>698357075
This is why the pope is protector of paedophiles everywhere.
>>698356529
I had the illusion of free choice, but did I really have it ? I made this choice because of what I am, because of what happens in my life, because of where I lived, etc... So if we go in the past to see this choice, I will make the same again, and again, and again, and again. So here you can prefict the future. But if you right, then if we come back to the past and see 100 times this choice, I will make 100 different choices, so you can't predict the future.
>>698346539
Only because education includes an atheistic indoctrination system.
>>698356641
You can start by asking forgiveness of your sins and accepting Jesus as your Savior.
Oh lawdy lawdy praise da lawd amen
But seriously. Start there. Acknowledge that you're a sinner just like everyone else. Know that God loves you anyways and wants you to go to heaven.
>>698357075
"...as if they know the Bible better than I do."
I was a godfearing Christian for 10+ years. I've had my solitude within that wretched, morally-fucked-up book for far too long.
Really. Go look up Nietszche.
Can't know. Move on with life.
>>698356747
When a missionary goes to the Congo, he eventually tries to learn the local language.
I'm on the depraved shithole that is /b/. Just speaking the language you niggers understand
>>698346767
Explain how morality exists in any meaningful way without God.
Without God, if you follow secular ideology, morality is just an imagining of the illusionist consciousness of a biological machine, that also has no free will.
witch god? Jehovah, Allah, Thor or Odin?
>>698357172
I don't ever remember being taught "God doesn't exist, lol. Religious people are dumb." or anything similar.
When we are young, we always ask questions. When it comes to religion, the answer is always "it is because I said so." Some of us accepted that while others questioned it's validity.
>>698348910
That's what they've told us isn't it.
At first, there was no gay.
But god got bored.
He though to himself, i really want to see someone get buttblasted by someone of the same gender while simultaneously gargling a huge load in their mouth.
Thus OP was born from the placenta of jesus christ.
>>698356929
Because God created time. If He created time, that means he exists outside of it
If God was just some dude moving through time just like the rest of humans, He wouldn't be God.
Triple A baby! Anti-theist Agnostic Atheist.
>>698357203
Or, how about this - We all start accepting that religion exists primarily as a way to keep stupid fuckers in line waiting for a reward that won't happen. We get rid of the notion of "sin," because living your life by a 2000 year old book written by semi-nomadic goat herders makes no sense in the modern world.
>>698357075
If you were as familiar with it as you claim, you'd be full of nothing but doubt. The bible flip flops more often than a politician which is why you can pull out a quote for anything you want at any time. You can also quote the opposite, probably within a few pages.
>>698357203
Not right now anon-chan, i want to sin first.
>>698353198
you are religious right?
>>698357311
The same way it does now since there is no God.
>>698357396
The bible says so! It must be true!
You are beyond saving, and that's no joke, considering my former situation.
>>698352208
Yes, we handed the world to Lucifer. You don't really have a strong grasp on Christian theology.
>>698357311
The idea that morality can exist only with God is absolute bullshit.
People have standards for self preservation? IT MUST BE GOD.
>>698357304
Ahhh, more good christian behavior. Well done, little guy!
>>698357203
Why Christiannism ?
If god really exist, why choose Deus ? Why not Allah ? Or Adonaï ? Or Zeus ? Or Ahura Mazda ? Or Odin ? Or Ra ? Or Saturne ?
>>698357161
>Can't predict the future
>Predict
Anon. Come on. God isn't "predicting" the future.
Also, just because many factors affect your decision making process doesn't mean you don't have free will. I have the free will to go run onto the highway and dodge cars. I am perfectly free to go do that. But there are things that influence my decision of whether or not to do that.
>>698357396
How can god create time if time doesn't exist?
Nothing can change without time existing in the first place so claim that he created it is contradictory.
>>698357555
Nice treeps.
>>698345223
That ass makes me believe in a god
>>698353198
>Some may think that the individual who spend his or her life memorizing shit out of a book just to be able to spew it out on command isn't actually very smart
>Theists
Constantly memorizing and repeating one source of information
>Scientists
Constantly challenging their work, rewriting papers as new information becomes available
>>698352986
Right, again because the education system, especially college is an anti theistic indoctrination system
>>698357396
We created cars, yet we are inside them.
And before you say "BUT GOD IS DIFFERENT."
God created us in his image, so what we do should be a reflection of him, both physically and symbolically.
Another fallacy, but I'm sure you can think of another shitty band-aid to cover that plot hole.
>>698357608
Haha. Shame it was wasted on something so trivial.
>>698353036
Inherent knowledge
>>698355564
Ooh dat hairy
>>698357515
Again, retard. Yes, the Bible says god created time. We're talking about the Judeo-Christian God and how it works. So yes, the answer is going to be based on the Judeo-Christian Bible.
Fuck sake you fedorafags are stupid sometimes. Like if I as arguing "the Bible says god exists so therefore he exists" then you can pull out that argument. But for fucks sake we're talking about the nature of God according to the Bible, so yes, it's gonna be based on what the Bible says.
>>698357650
Have you been to college or are you basing this off of that shitty movie "God is NOT Dead" that pained Christians as the oppressed from all other Religions and Atheists?
College is a place where Religion spreads and those already in it become even more Religious.
Alright NOW I'm logging off. Catch ya later /b/ros.
>>698357540
>implying self preservation equals morality
>>698357700
Just as Kamisama made then.
To shave is to corrupt gods image.
>>698354181
So I am already destined to pray or not to pray and for this I can be eternally punished? Anon please.
>>698357540
Self preservation isn't morality though.
>>698353392
Your making a ton of assumptions about what perfection is, something you cant even admittedly comprehend.
Cjristfag can lik mah hairy taint.
>>698357800
My point to a T.
Later.
>>698357581
Free will isn't the freedom of think what you could do, it's the freedom of doing things. Because of the things which influence your decision you don't have free will. Go read Ethics by Spinoza.
>>698357830
Animals have no souls according to the bible and yet most display basic moral behaviour.
>>698357906
They don't get it and never will. I'd stop wasting precious brain cells on brain-dead believers who can't come up with a logical argument that doesn't involve "The Bible says it!"
>>698354680
Inherent knowledge
>>698354986
That's not how it works. You are making a claim: God exists. Burden of proof is on you.
Atheist: I have a ball.
Observer: Show it to me.
Atheist: Here.
Theist: I have The Ball.
Observer: Show Him to me.
Theist: You can't prove that I don't.
God made rapists.
And mexicans.
>>698357571
That's a whole other discussion.
Really there's two levels to it. You can discuss the existence of a creator, just the generic philosophical argument of whether the universe was created by a being of some sort. Then there's the discussion of "who that being is" and which religion is right, if any.
In this thread, people are asking questions and I'm answering from the Judeo-Christian perspective because what I believe and know about.
Also, I believe that all the religions in the world are just derivatives of the truth. I mean you can draw parallels all over the place. Almost all cultures have a story of a worldwide flood with only one family being saved. Hinduism has a sort of Trinity, consisting of a creator God, a life giving god, and a death and salvation god, which I find pretty parallel to the Christian holy Trinity. I believe that Zeus and Thor and Ra and Saturn all have roots in truth, whether as derivatives of the true Judeo-Christian God, or stories that came about based on some of the angelic beings that the Bible talks about having used to be on earth.
But that's a whole other topic.
>>698357800
Do you believe in hell ?
And autism.
>>698355195
Fucking THIS x1000000
Dinosaur fossils were made by god to test our faith.
God can't love unconditionally or hell wouldn't exist.
>>698357672
This is beyond stupid. A car is a physical object that you can sit "inside". Time is not. Stupid analogy. God creating time means He existed "before" time (though the word before doesn't really have meaning for a being outside of time).
But seriously, comparing God creating time to humans creating a physical object is stupidity.
>>698345223
No. I believe in Mod.
I do.
I just can't believe that the world with all the variety of animals, plants, colors was just a coincidence.
>>698357824
You're not "destined" for either.
You can choose whichever you want, right now.
>>698358346
MODS!
MMOOOOOOODDDDDSSSS!!!
>>698358318
Pretending you understand anything is stupid.
Trying to understand it is also stupid.
>>698345223
Not just "god", but all known gods in general seem to have no place in, and no influence on our existence.
Even tho science has not answered all questions so far, its current answers don't even contain a sliver of evidence pointing towards magic, mystical beings, or any form of divine intervention.
I am not entirely convinced that we will never find a god-like being.
But I am entirely convinced that the gods humanity made up will never be proven to exist.
So towards all traditional religions, I feel no logical failure in taking the stance of a gnostic atheist at this point.
>>698357984
So what? They also display rape, cannibalism, infanticide, etc.
If animals sometimes act in ways that happens to coincide with human ideas of morality, so what?
>>698345223
No.
There is no evidence supporting he/she/it's existence or necessity. Belief REQUIRES supporting evidence.
>>698358271
No. And Christians who believe this are stupid and I'm ashamed of them.
>>698345223
I find the evidence for all religions basis in literal fact to be as compelling as the evidence for bigfoot, werewolves, the Loch Ness monster and so on.
>>698358305
On the contrary. God loving unconditionally means that He cant let any sin into heaven or else it wouldn't be heaven anymore. A loving God would create a hell to cast all sin into.
>>698358421
I agree that it's pretty much impossible for human I comprehend how the whole "being outside of time" thing works.
But it's still retarded to constrain God by our human perception of time and talk about God "predicting the future"
>>698345785
This world holds two classes of people: intelligent people without religion and religious people without intelligence."
--Abu Ala Al-Ma'arri
"The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers."
-- Denis Diderot
>>698345630
No you retarded fuck. No one give a fuck if you're religious. He asked if you believe in God. Religion focuses on the rules man made about the supernatural. If you had said theological you wouldn't have been such a damn moron
>>698345223
i believe in that butt sauce plz
>>698358378
Why? Even computer programs self generate anomalies all the time? Murphys Law: anything that can happen will happen. A god had nothing to do with it.
At one point, people believed that heaven was above the clouds and that Hell was below the ground. Then we saw above the clouds and below the earth. So they changed where heaven and Hell were. If this was science, it would be a theory proven wrong. Why do Christians continue to change what they believe and why is it continuously accepted?
>>698358589
But if you believe in the Bible (so if you're protestant), god didn't create a hell to punish the bad peoples. It was created during the 2nd Concil of Constantinople.
>>698358747
"People who quote past philosophers making useless platitudes or empty claims to try and sound deep or intellectual are artists"
~anon
I stopped believing in God when I realised it was dog spelt backward
>>698358881
>useless platitudes or empty claims
I know of several books with those
>>698358473
>coincide
No.jpg
>>698358589
Nope.png
>>698358676
>God "predicting the future"
Then why the bible do it so much.
>>698353036
>No proof
And what proof would you expect
If a creator existed the knowledge of a "law" would be with us from the beginning. Why believe a book written by a just a man years ago? Why is his book the right one? Lets say two 16 year old kids pass away, one taught to be a christian from his parents, the other taught nothing. One resides in heaven and one burning in hell for eternity? We cannot simply be judged on our awareness and following of simple text written my man.
>>698358823
There is some confusion here. It is more complex than just heaven and hell, and when you die you go to one or the other. There's a whole sequence of events involving the end times and how it happens.
>>698345630
GOD. Not religion.
>>698358881
"God's followers' behavior is all the proof I need of his non-existence."
--Me.
Religion is an absolute scam and it is one that teaches people to be content or even prideful of ignorance. That is unacceptable in a modern society and it retards progress like nothing else ever in history.
Religion's mortal enemy is knowledge. And knowledge is the foundation of achievement in this world.
>>698358967
>blind faith and absolute obedience
That's the one constant that has brought so much evil in this world. And religious nuts wonder why people don't blindly follow their teachings.
It's foolish to think there is and isn't one.
As far as any of us know, we honestly have no fucking idea.
>>698359056
Kool have fun burning
>>698358950
Because the Bible is a book written for humanity. So if God wants to come down to a human living at a discrete moment in time and say "hey, in the future for you, this thing is gonna happen", that's how it's gonna be.
The analogy I've heard is like a guy in a helicopter while you're in a raft going down a river canyon. You are flowing through and coming across things in a steady stream of events, but the guy in the chopper can see the whole canyon simultaneously. He can the radio you and say "hey, coming up is a section of rapids" and to you in the raft, it's "the future", but for the guy in the chopper, he's seeing it right now.
It's not a perfect analogy.
I don't believe in a God because there's no substantial proof of one existing. If I don't know for sure that I'll be thrown to the depths of hell for sinning I'd rather have fun and commit as much sinful shit as possible
>>698359234
>>698345223
I don't believe in anything at all.
My picture of reality is based on evidence.
Why did god create insanity?
>>698359056
Socrates believed in a higher power. Do you believe him to be an enemy of knowledge?
>>698358378
200 000 000 000 stars in our galaxy
200 000 000 000 galaxies in the observable universe
The universe is 13 800 000 000 years old.
It's just Darwinism.
>>698359424
A fellow nihilist. I'd hug you..or not. It doesn't matter.
>>698359609
nihilism
ˈnʌɪ(h)ɪlɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
synonyms: negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More
PHILOSOPHY
the belief that nothing in the world has a real existence.
historical
the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party circa 1900 which found nothing to approve of in the established social order.
>>698346767
>only science and nature exist.
Aren't these two, one in the same?
>>698359213
>burning
The Christian myth of Hell was invented around the time of the Renaissance. They stole the name from the Norse neutral mortal underworld "Hel". The "fire and brimstone" shit was artificially created so that priests could have fun exaggerating the torment that awaits and the version people believe in today comes from a massive art campaign the Vatican and Catholics used to commission hundreds of paintings depicting their new "hell", as well as heaven and angels. It was propaganda to re-invigorate the sheep who believe their bullshit because after several generations, participation was down and they needed a new "pull". Speaking of which, let me tell you about "Satan".
The word Satan is arabic and means 'unclean'. It was selected to instill an intrinsic distrust of Arabic people and "ho hum" attitude towards the Crusades, which were a hot topic of dissenters. The red-skinned, muscular man with goat legs and horns was created by smashing together the characteristics of two pre-Christian Hebrew gods--Baal and Baphomet. This was done to use and overwrite beliefs from other competing religions--a system the Christians did CONSTANTLY back then. There isn't a SINGLE thing that Christians celebrate that isn't stolen and overwritten from other Pagan or Hebrew beliefs. Christmas, Communion, Halloween, Easter, Passover, etc. are ALL non-Christian holidays. Actually I find it fucking hilarious every year when Easter rolls around to hear the retards trying to explain what bunnies, eggs, grass and pastel colors have to do with the resurrection of Jesus. Fucking priceless.
>>698359211
That's stupid.
So if I say that the dragons exist, you can't tell they don't because you can't prove it.
>>>698359056 (You)
He didn't know any better. Science and centuries of experimentation hadn't yet produced enough finite knowledge to completely eliminate the need for gods yet in his time.
He was working with the confines of his era, much the same was Isaac Newton was "Christian".
If god was real, why the fuck would he allow 4chan to exist?
>>698359490
THIS -
>>698360044
>>698345223
Yes cuz I'm Mexican
>>698345223
Yep.
I don´t know, i just do.
Since i plan to frooze my brain after death and chances i´ll be ressurrected 1000 technological advancement years after that, i know for a fact that we´ll still be believing in almighty entities by them, if not creating them.
Dat AI super brain-god-girl.
>that gives me ideas to write good porn
>>698345361
yep
>>698345223
Why is the G in Capitol?
And why is there no S letter after the D letter?
I did till i was 17 what the fuck has god done that made my life so good?
>>698360044
You know there were athiest, or at least, anti-thiest at the time of both Plato and Newton, right? Have you ever read the Republic? The entire last part of the book is dedicated to the Idea of the One.
>>698345223
No, cant be religious/theist if ur intelligent, rational and do a little fucking effort
>>698360416
Why do you spell like a nigger?
>>698355409
Not replying to save my mother.
Can someone please do this with the Qur'an?
>>698360601
Maybe he just thinks that you're a cunt
>>698353752
Is there evil in heaven?
> It means casting all the unbelievers into the pit of fire.
Infinite punishment for the finite crime of not being convinced he existed. YHWH is a monster, and not worthy of worship.
Fortunately, given what we know of life, the universe and everything, the chances of the Abrahamic god existing are so close to nil that there's no point considering it any more.
>>698355796
The argument for that is that anything god does is good because he IS morality
>>698355750
I agree with this. Closest to them I've seen is non-defigured midgets, e.g. Jemma Suicide (tragically retired).
Why is it that the three biggest religions started where the jews lived?
>>698358130
Druuna is such a babe.
>>698361054
I want knife-ears and green skin.
>>698345223
ITT all of 4chan's pseudo-intellectual manchildren emerge from the deepest recesses of their parents' basements to argue poorly and uselessly with one another.
>>698359962
Of course it's stupid. So is thinking we know there is or isn't one. The only honest truth is that we don't have a correct answer.
You implied that I've fallen into the classic 'flying spaghetti monster' trap. Let me clarify by saying that currently we have no evidence that a God exists. That's that. I'm naturally more prone to accept scientific evidence. So yeah, relax.
>>698361236
Yeah, I know... and I said "closest" for a reason, mate.
This thread was cancer with most of 4chan falling bait to the same 2 faggots
>>698361307
>to argue poorly and uselessly with one another.
Pretending you have no part in this.
>>698361930
"Cancer" doesn't bother me.
>>698361495
To excuse even mentioning it at all???
>>698345223
buddha was silent on this question (14 question on which buddha was silent) later nagasena explained for those who beleive god exists who dont ....
science cant deny god existence
>>698359602
As someone who believes in a higher power of some description, darwinism is of interest to me. It states that natural selection causes any niche to be filled in a given environment, given enough time. To that end, doesn't it follow that given enough time, something resembling a "god" would come to exist? That's a huge niche to be filled when you think about it.
>>698362253
What are you trying to get at?
>>698362346
If it is physically possible, it will exist somewhere, sometime.
