>you now have 10 seconds to justify why you dont own an AR-15 for self defense
>living in california is not a fucking excuse
>AR-15 dosent stand for "Assault Rifle 15"
>>697351472
I already do. And I live in California.
because i actually have a good taste in firearms
>>697351697
Sorry bro
>>697351472
poastin my AR-fu
I have a 12 gauge which is good enough for me
>>697351912
>>697351900
top kek
because i live in illinois
/excused
I don't own an assault rifle 15 because guns kill people and Im not a killer.
>>697351472
stands for armalite 15 dont own it cuz in my country it is illegal cuz considered as war weapon
Why would I want an over price piece of crap for home defense?
>>697351976
Volume of fire is the name of the game bruh hope that 12ga is a semi
>>697351900
Yes, California law sucks dick.
i live in a civilised country, nobody i have ever met has ever needed to use lethal force to defend themselves
because i have an AK-47 which is superior in just about everything
Because people are (close) to never 'shot' with a firearm in my country, cause NOONE has access to them.
>tfw you realize you live in based Nevada
because im poor
>>697351472
55g bullets don't satisfy my gun lust.
You guys are absurd :-)
>>697353168
looking good mane
>>697351472
>>SELF DEFENSE
rofl.kek.exe
Is not mosin
>>697353168
did you make those ammo can labels or buy them? I like those. Much better than my tape that I wrote on.
>>697353012
Good luck hitting anything past 300 yards.
>most fights take place in 300 yards or less
Not when your using a full powered cartridge.
i'm not a paranoid schizophrenic that thinks people are out to kill me
>>697353522
They're magnetic. AmmoCanMagnets.Com I think.
>>697351472
This thread again...
because i live in europe
>>697353504
>le nugget meme
Lol. I wonder how many of those shitty rifles were sold because the internet said to.
If you ever handle a mauser, any mauser, you'll figure out how much your mosin sucks.
Because unless that thing has an incredibly short barrel and I wear a trench coat everywhere I can't conceal it on my person for self defense. That and there are far better alternatives for self defense.
If you meant home defense than there are still far better alternatives that will be far easier to maneuver in a home or will eliminate the intruder with one shot far easier such as a handgun or a shotgun.
I have no hate for ar15s but face it civilians currently have no use for an ar15 beyond wanting one which is itself a reason to own one
Because I live in England
>>697352271
Shot placement is the name of the game. If you are skilled and experienced with your firearm caliber is irrelevant.
If you had a special forces soldier with a .22 pistol vs some internet keyboard warrior with a AR-15 with 30 round mags I would put my money on the special forces guy every time.
>>697353703
I'm sorry.
>>697353629
Right on bro!
>>697353791
Caliber is not irrelevant when you're trying to save yourself from a charging bear.
>>697351472
I would like to but I live in California
>>697353699
>If you meant home defense than there are still far better alternatives that will be far easier to maneuver in a home or will eliminate the intruder with one shot far easier such as a handgun or a shotgun.
Handguns are definitely not guaranteed "one shot stop" weapons. Handguns are weak as fuck. An AR-15 is a far better choice than a handgun for home defense, and with fragmenting 55grain 5.56 is safer than shotguns, because shotgun shot will penetrate more drywall than a high velocity fragmenting 5.56.
because your mom was always coming around asking me to fuck her with it.
Am poorfag
>>697353791
>shot placement
>caliber is irrelevant
>12 gauge from 100 yards
i forgot how good of an aim i can be at 100 yards with a 12 gauge. i aint missing shit.
Because I'm only 20
>>697353699
I hate sbr shit.
Don't know why.
Good argument though.
>>697353932
You are 1000X more likely to be attacked by a feral nigger than a angry bear.
Black males aged 15 - 30 are y far the most dangerous animals on the planet.
But yes, when facing bears a larger caliber is ideal.
>>697354047
>Doesn't know what slugs are
>>697351472
Why would I carry a jamming PoS rifle when i can have the reliable and stronger and better kalishnakov
>>697351472
living in germany :/
>>697354079
Lol, this guy.
I might be wrong, but I think you can buy the complete rifle at 18. Isn't it just the lower receiver you can't buy until 21?
>>697354185
>implying slugs are just one big piece of lead
>>697354079
Only need to be 18 to buy rifles or shotguns. 21 for pistols.
>>697354047
>100 yards is self defense
>>697354190
AK means African cunt
>>697354190
2nd
>>697354289
Correct, since the lower can be turned into a pistol.
>>697354190
You probably bought a wasr. Shut up.
>>697354333
That's what a traditional slug is
>>697354353
>self defense topic
>mentions 300 yard war zone
> /thread
>>697354190
AR-15 jamming is a meme. My AK has had more malfunctions than my AR. Mostly ammo related tho because I feed my AK the cheapest, shittiest steel case I can find.
>>697351472
Cos I bought an FN-FAL rather
>>697353791
Nigger where did I say shit about caliber and what the fuck do you know about combat? Yes caliber isn't nearly as important as people believe but in combat, you always want more shots going downrange than coming at you.
>>697354047
caliber is always relevant, yes. but what the fuck are you talking about you jew? what kind of civilian sd situation requires shots at 100 yards? and don't give me that "crazy bear horny moose attack" bullshit.
Because ar's are shit. Ak master race here
>>697354603
that was my point you nigger.
because its too difficult to clean an AR
>>697351472
FN-80 is far superior.
>>697353168
I have the same Logitech speakers. Speakers suck ass, Subwoofer is ok.
>>697351472
it took more than ten seconds to type this out. Here are 30,000 Reasons Not To Have A Gun In Your Home, Americans Own 300 Million Firearms, When Is It Enough? Statistics And Data On Number Of Mass Shootings Per Year In The US
Before buying a gun for self protection or hunting, make sure you consider the 30,000 reasons not to own a gun, by looking at both the pros and the cons of gun ownership. The pro reasons will be provided by the gun industry and dealers who make profits out of your purchase.
There are more than 51,000 gun retailers, but only 37,000 grocery stores in the United States. An average gun dealer can make $50,000 per WEEK selling guns. Violence and death is a highly profitable industry, which says a lot for why guns are 'sold' so heavily in so many ways.
30,000 GUN DEATHS EACH YEAR IN US, ONLY 4 PER YEAR IN JAPAN
With statistics like this, would it surprise anyone that there are over 30,000 gun related deaths PER YEAR in the USA, compared to 4 in Japan in the same period a few years ago?
get rektd 2a shill
>m-muh self defense
>muh safety from big bad terrorist
>muh out outdated rights
>>697354353
Maybe he's a cop.
>>697354729
I mean, yeah, if you have down syndrome I can see why it would be difficult to disassemble a bolt carrier group for cleaning.
>>697351472
ar-15 is for fucking pussies.
Owning a gun for self defense is like owning a vicious pitt bull to protect your toddler. Sure, there are rare scenarios where it might actually help, but you're far more likely to have it backfire. Owning a gun increases your chances of being shot, so it actually makes you less safe.
>>697354871
Das boot.
>>697354776
>30,000 GUN DEATHS EACH YEAR IN US, ONLY 4 PER YEAR IN JAPAN
Why are focusing only on gun deaths? By the way, 2/3rds of American gun deaths are suicides and by the way, Japan's suicide rate is 2X times America's suicide rate. Turns out even without guns the Japs are very efficient at killing themselves.
>>697351472
cuz I don't want to mass murder other people.
>>697354871
Ah, trying to justify spending an extra thousand dollars on a tool that an AR-15/AR-10 could do exactly the same for half the price? Nice going, mate!
Because I'm broke and can't spend 1000+ dollars on a bang bang stick
>>697354871
kek i have that same chair
>>697354333
That is what a slug is, numbnuts
A slug is basically a big bullet that turns the shotgun into a large caliber rifle. It doesn't have the same accuracy as a true rifle, but it is still very effective and accurate at 100 yards.
But you aren't going to be scoring hits at 400 yards with a slug like you can with a rifle.
>>697355011
Suicide by firearm is still a public health concern and should be treated as such.
Civilized countries recognize that.
>>697351472
Because long guns of any kind are shit for home defense. Use a pistol.
>>697355158
no i just have a job and am able to get the guns that I want.
However Yes an ar-10 does do the same job for half the price.
>tavor is my favorite gun
Already own one.
I live in sweden. we got anti-rape armbands
>>697353577
>any fight taking place at any single range over 5 meters in a SELF DEFENSE SCENARIO
S E L F D E F E N S E
not ARMED WARFARE
>>697352258
>Mfw I built my ar for $450
>>697355319
thank you.
>>697355329
Suicide in general should be concerning. Focusing especially on gun suicide is fucking idiotic.
>>697351472
I have no use for one
>>697351472
Because I own a real gun. Pic related, Lee-Enfield SMLE No.1 MkIII
>>697353988
That probably because I was talking about the handgun as more maneuverable and the shotgun as more likely to stop them in one shot
>>697354490
>mostly ammo related.
No. Completely ammo related. Literally 100%.
>>697355319
implying birdshot's only carry around 77 pellets.
american ignorant
>>697351472
Cause I'm a broke piece of shit who does nothing but sits on my ass on the computer all day.
>>697354929
I bet you were that kid in high school that thought he was intellectually superior to everyone else and thought the girls would eventually see him for the supreme gentleman he was while the stronger men beat the shit out of you and fucked every girl you ever liked
No need. The likely hood of someone putting me into a situation where I would need (and be able to use it) is so low it's not worth dropping the several thousand dollars.
>>697355335
Shotgun. Pistol just scares people. .45 is too slow, 9mm doesn't have enough mass, .40 is complete bulls hit worst of both in one bullet, 10mm you lose the ability to place follow up shots, and the bigger and faster the bullets get from there the same problem persists.
Just use a shotgun.
>>697354929
>far more likely to have it backfire
You can own a gun in a 100% safe way. You can literally have a lock on your gun itself that means it can't chamber a round or fire without YOUR FINGERS TOUCHING FINGERPRINT SENSORS like a FUCKING SCIENCE FICTION MOVIE.
>>697354190
>Kalashnikov is more reliable!
When will these meme die
Posting.
>>697355731
Several thousand? Nigga what?
>>697354190
>implying Red PoS is more reliable than a bolt action rifle
>>697354776
>30,000 reasons
Start posting then
>>697355456
I'm going to have to call bull shit on that one
>80 percent lower - $60
>LPK - $60
>Buffer tube and stock - $70
>absolute cheapest shitty upper 300
grand total 490
and this isn't including back up sights
>>697354333
>hurr durr muh guns i gots muh guns caliber stopping power hurr durr
>doesn't know what a slug is
>>697355778
I don't think you know what you're talking about
>>697355778
You have either never researched or do not understand terminal ballistics
>>697355329
>Fuck there goes another one to suicide
>Well he didn't kill himself with gun!
>>697356237
b8'd
>>697356178
>30,000 reasons
30,000 GUN DEATHS EACH YEAR IN US
>>697355904
Only a complete retard would want a finger print detection device on a home defense gun. That shit is only promoted by anti-gun idiots who have never even handled a firearm.
I don't even like fingerprint detection on my smart phone. It's a pain in the the ass even on a phone.
>>697355474
When the majority or at least the largest minority of suicides are comittee via one particular method, that requires specific attention and dedicated study.
>>697355383
WAT LOL
>>697355442
He said superior in everyway.
He is wrong.
As well as combined weight of platform, and ammunition. Ar-15 serves it's purpose.
>>697355778
Everything you just said about every single caliber is bullshit... holy fucking bait. Oh my god. Holy SHIT.
You can unload ANY PISTOL in a SELF DEFENSE SCENARIO into center mass with massive accuracy. Have you shot at the range? I'm sure you have. Have you ever shot at the end of THE ROOM YOU'RE SITTING IN? Shot point blank into a mugger's chest? Accuracy is irrelevant at that range unless you're a complete shitlord with no experience hwatsoever.
>>697356389
japan has a 2x higher suicide rate though.
and guns are banned.
>>697355778
nigger they have a revolver that shoots shotgun shells.
>>697356347
So? There are 30,000 car deaths each year, and those are mostly all accidental deaths.
Gun deaths are mostly intentional, 2/3 suicides 1/3 homicides. Cars are so much more dangerous than guns they kill 30,000 people by accident! Accidental gun deaths are only a few hundred at most per year, about on par with deaths from falling down ladders and down the stairs and shit.
>>697356347
>guns killing people is a reason not to own guns
Pretty sure the only way to defend against a gun is to own a gun, period. Did you know they can shoot through the drywall your house is made of?
>>697356347
Half gang related
>Nothing of value was lost
>>697355778
hes actually right.. its pure calculation of energy transfered. a shotgun is superior to a hand gun.
>>697356389
Japan has near zero gun ownership rate and double the suicide rate so...you think guns in America are responsible for america's suicide rate or something?
France has a higher suicide rate than america too, faggot.
I also happen to own one
>>697356636
here you go fam
>>697356260
>>697356294
Pistol rounds are weak.
Who the fucking fuck buys a degal brand degal? Just had the cash burning a hole in your pocket?
>>697356220
Plus a $50 receiver my LGS had on sale
>>697356348
Phone sensors are actually quite shit. When the sensor is LARGER htan your finger instead of being a tiny bar that encompasses about 15% of the surface area it's quite accurate.
Besides, the point is entirely hypothetical: a jerkoff says UR GUN IS MORE LIKELY TO KILL U U IDIOT, and I say "only if you fuck up"
I was literally ONLY illustrating a 100% safe way to keep a handgun. Not outlining the device's practicality(which is not even remotely equivalent to a phone are you fucking serious)
>>697356347
And about 20,000 of them are suicide.
Even the new york times, an openly liberal and anti-gun publication, admits about 2/3 of gun deaths are suicide, not homicide.
Why are gun suicides listed as gun related deaths and used as talking points against guns but car suicides or pill suicides not used to talk about the dangers of automobiles or prescription medications?
>>697351472
Becauze ak is better
>>697354776
>51k gun dealers
>average dealer makes $50k a week selling guns
>weekly gun sales of $2.5b
Do you even math?
>>697351472
Because shotgun.
>>697356853
Yes i did.
the desert eagle is an anti-material hand cannon.
It shoot.50 action express at ~1400 feet per second. This thing can take down a bear.
>>697356571
It's a good snake gun.
Wouldn't use it for anything else.
>>697356389
No? It's obviously the most used because it's EASIEST TO USE. EVERY other method is either "order xxx specific gas on amazon and make a fucking euthanasia tent" or incredibly painful and visceral.
Guns don't make people kill themselves. Do you think they have MIND CONTROL POWERS?
>>697356739
Yep let's just ignore every other facet of a gunfight like follow up shots, number of assailants and maneuverability
>>697356636
30,000 people die from falling alone
Sauce: CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
We need to ban assault ladders with extended high capacity lengths and anything over 6 feet tall.
Because I live in england, so only need a poker for self defence.
>>697351472
I'm 16
>>697356739
True, and an AR-15 is superior to a shotgun. Why would I want a low capacity, slow to reload pump stick when I can have 30rds of 69grain softpoints?
>>697355706
BBB birdshot in a 12 gauge shell, yes
There's more than size of birdshot.
>>697355011
The actual suicide attempt is usually impulsive, so having easy access to a highly effective suicide method does increase suicides.
>>697357272
Fucking assault gravity man, shit is dangerous as FUCK
>>697357142
if you get shot by a shotgun at 10 meters range with a birdshot youre dead. purely of energy. doesent even matter if you hit the heart .
it is a matter og joules applied to the human body
>>697355706
>Approx 77 pellets
>Approx
>Approx
>Approximately 77 pellets
>Approximately
>>697357361
MODS
because i'm 15
>>697354776
Holy b8 batman!
>>697357428
> so having easy access to a highly effective suicide method does increase suicides.
So explain Japan then you fucking idiot. Essentially zero gun ownership, lots of suicides.
>>697356505
Your gonna miss the majority of your panic spraying anemic shots. I bet it was the comment about .40 short and weak huh?
>>697356853
>Pistol rounds are weak
Yep that's what I figured. That's the extent of your knowledge of terminal ballistics.
>>697356816
Japanese and French suicide rates mean nothing in a discussion about American suicides by firearms faggot.
Firearms are more of a concern in regards to suicide because it is much easier to carryout a suicide to completion with a gun, as opposed to say a knife or haning or jumping. Minor physical/temporal barriers are often enough to stop suicides before they happen. You don't get those barriers with firearms, especially when firearms are so available.
What possible reason could you have for not wanting more scientifc study and analysis of a major public health concern and the development of adequate prevention strategies?
>>697355607
You'll stop the hun from storming the trenches now, lad! That's 30 whole rounds per minute!
I have one for the simple fact I wanted one; I also learned how to shoot on one. It sits in my closet and comes out maybe 2-3 times a year where I put about 300 rounds through it at the range and back in the closet it goes. I live in the city, do I need one? No. Do I want one? Yes, so I own one.
>>697357365
semiauto shotguns are a thing. even(what the fuck are you thinking) automatics.
AR are not designed for home defense, it's true. A sawed off semi shotgun or a pistol are both superior(and the latter practical to obtain) choices for home defense. And for "self defense", well, you're carrying a pistol. Period. You don't carry an AR for self-defense.
>>697351472
Im only 18 years old and i cant buy a gun. Id love to own one though.
>>697357365
can your ar even function propper without any jams with softpoints ?
>>697356260
itt badass weapons on fat nerd fingers
>>697357552
>gives reason for refuting the old outdated second amendment
>g-guys, watch me call him bait and not give him facts to back up my claims on why general population needs military style assault rifles
get real. All the recent mass shootings used ar 15 style rifles.
might as well be called assault rifle 15
I prefer knives and strange battle cry moves
>>697357708
I carry an AR pistol, faggot
>>697351472
>>you now have 10 seconds to justify why you dont own an AR-15 for self defense
1. Because the Redcoats aren't coming back
2. It's extremely unlikely that the most free and democratic country in the world would ever turn into a corrupt dictatorship.
>muh guns
>>697357456
Hydrostatic shock theory is dead. Please provide a source for your claim.
>>697356897
And what happens when you have to use the gun in your off hand, or your wife or kid needs to use the gun to kill the attacker who is currently on top of you stabbing/beating you to death?
BTW that happened to my dad's best friend. He fired an employee, the guy went psycho and broke into his home at night.
>My dad's friend heard borken glass
>went to investigate
>intruder ambushed him and hit him in the head with a crowbar he used to break in
>cracked his skull and he was unconcious
>started stabbing him with a knife
>wife shot the guy in the back as he was ontop of my dad's friend stabbing him
He survived but will never fully recover. A cracked skull and punctured organs is a little hard to have a full recovery from.
BTW the intruder had a rape kit. He had a backpack with dildos, lube, duct tape. My dad's friend had 2 young daughters in addition to his wife.
I'm sure a fingerprint gun would have been great in that situation.
>>697357456
>it is a matter og joules applied to the human body
A baseball bat exerts more force than a shotgun shell. Buckshot exists for a reason; birdshot will not kill a large animal unless it hits the right spot.
If you get birdshotted in the gut(and youre on pcp) you can still easily kill the guy who shot you with your pistol before you bleed out. You could probably kill him several TIMES OVER.
>>697357884
>inb4 redneck dogma ensues
Agreed.
>>697357833
The military does not use AR15s. What difference does it make that it fucking looks like one?
>>697351472
why mention california? theyre completely banned now in MA
>>697357663
Who needs bullets? This bastard can bayonet a Hun bastard efficiently.
>>697357884
>Because the Redcoats aren't coming back
You poor, naive child.
>>697357716
you are 18 years old. You can buy a long rifle and shotgun. You can't buy a pistol.
>your typical 2nd amendment republitard totally uneducated about his own laws
>>697357964
let me guess.. youre american ?
>>697354929
Just like with a dangerous dog, a dangerous gun is the result of a shitty owner. Maybe next time you think you will consider more than that fucked up ghetto you were raised in you fucking nigger.
>>697357632
>panic spraying anemic shots
So, anyway, anyone who isn't a "tacticool badass"'s strawman of the average 4channer will hit every shot.
Like I said.
Want to bait again?
By the way: the guy who in your scenario can't hold a pistol? You think he has the body control to SHOULDER AND AIM AND FIRE A SHOTGUN YOU FUCKING IDIOT
>>697357833
Either more gr8 b8 or you're actually just that clueless about firearms. Can never tell with gun-grabbers.
>>697357638
For self defense, in my own home, I choose a shotgun every time. Precisely because of terminal ballistics.
The energy transferred by #6 shot at close range is enough to stop a man. Maybe not kill him with one shot, but I don't need to rip a 4 inch hole in someone in my upstairs hallway.
But the #6 shot is far less likely to penetrate too many layers of drywall and kill my sleeping kids/guests at the other end of the hall.
>>697357139
No shit guns are easy to use faggot. That's why study is needed to develop preventative strategies.
Seriously, what possible reason could you have against that?
I prefer my 12 ga shotty. It pokes lots of little holes in niggers.
>>697357963
>And what happens when you have to use the gun in your off hand, or your wife or kid needs to use the gun to kill the attacker who is currently on top of you stabbing/beating you to death?
One more time, the history of this conversation:
>guns are more likely to kill you htan save you statistically
>you can own a gun that literally can't kill you by accident
>YOU FUCKING SSPERG WHO WOULD DO THAT
>i was just saying htat--
>you fucking SPERG, WHO WOULD DO THAT
>>697357833
And yet with all the mass shootings all rifles combined, not just assault rifles, are still used in less murders than knives, punching/kicking, or blunt objects.
sauce: FBI expanded homicide data table 8
>>697351472
Because the AR-15 is for shooting up schools you dumb cunt.
>learn to gun
>>697357963
>what happens when you have to use the gun in your off hand,
Uh, you miss? 9/10 you miss. Besides, what are you doing with your right hand that you can't do with your left instead? Some action hero holding a valve shut to stop an explosion while he shoots the ninjas flipping at him?
IF you can't use your right hand, it's because it's incapacitated. If it's been incapacitated, you're fucked; YOU ARE NOT JOHN RAMBO
>>697358091
let me guess.. youre uneducated ?
>>697358289
>guns suicide the most so we need to study that
>we know why guns suicide the most
>so we need to study how to prevent suicide, why did you disagree you faggot?
You CANNOT be serious.
>>697358489
>guns are more likely to kill you htan save you statistically
Completely false. Obama authorized the largest ever study on gun violence through an executive order. It literally is Obama's gun study. It concluded:
"Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”
and
"“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”
Guns literally decrease your chance of injury when you are attacked and guns are also used much more for defense than for crime. But we all know Obama is just an NRA shill, right?
Go fuck yourself you liar.
Sauce on the study:
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1#R1
It has a search function just in case you want to fact check me. But we both know you aren't concerned with facts, only rhetoric.
>>697358684
It's almost as if close quarters combat with an intruder in your home at 4 AM when you were asleep 30 seconds ago and taken by total surprise might be chaotic and unpredictable...
>>697358091
>>697358793
do the math and calculate if 52 grams travel 510 meters per secound. whats the force of that
now emagin how hard you can hit with a baseball bat.. i doubt you can swing so hard you americunt
>>697358035
the only difference is the fire selector option of going fully automatic and not pinning and welding the flash/muzzle break for barrel length
of 14 inches>>697358276
>Either more gr8 b8 or you're actually just that clueless about firearms
>g-guys i still cant refute him because he's telling the truth. I'll proceed to call him b8. that should work, r-right guys?
my father is military and now police. I grew up around guns. I go shooting with him all the time just to keep him happy but I absolutely hate those death machines.
>>697358225
I don't understand your comment.
Are you saying Joe blow average 4chan poster can place shots quickly and accurately up to 10 feet?
Cause your wrong if so.
It's not difficult to hit things that are close, but to mag dump anything bigger than .380 takes some skill. Maybe more so with .380 cause the pistols are so small.
And yes. I think it takes far less skill to shoulder a shotgun than to properly grip and fire a pistol.
>>697358948
CLICK THE GODDAMN BACKLINKS, ARE YOU FUCKING ADDICTED TO CONFLICT? I AGREE WITH EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSTS YOU FUCKING MORONG HOLY FUCKING SHIT
SLOW
THE
FUCK
DOWN
IS YOUR READING COMPREHENSION REALLY THIS BAD? I REFUTED SOMEONE ELSE'S FUCKING POINT WITHOUT RESORTING TO GARBAGE STATISTICS(theyre garbage because idiots dont understand them so stop fucking citing them) AND YOU JUMPED DOWN MY FUCKING THROAT FOR A FACTUAL REFUTATION
GET
FUCKING
FUCKED
>>697359153
>14 inches
>But I totally know a lot about guns, guys!
>>697351472
Too poor
Plus I have a shotgun
>>697359336
>forgets to put .5 for 14.5
>watch me nitpick and still can't refute the truth r-right guys?
>>697351472
Not paying a 1000 dollars for something I will never use and don't need in my house where my kids could find it and shoot themselves
>>697352994
So what you're saying is there are no blacks in your country
>>697359153
Okay? So that's dangerous that it "looks" like an M4 or whatever shit, even though it isn't? It's inherently more dangerous even though my grandpa's old varmint rifle in .223 and this AR15 are, functionally, exactly identical?
Because the AR15 isn't an assault rifle. It doesn't HAVE that selector switch you're talking about.
>>697359576
>where my kids could find it and shoot themselves
You're a shitty parent if you don't understand the concept of safe firearm storage or proper gun safety education for children
>>697359172
>I think it takes far less skill to shoulder a shotgun than to properly grip and fire a pistol.
Enjoy your outrageously fucked up shoulder. It's going to help with the shot you missed.
If you're a garbage shot, you're going to get shot with a pistol or dove onto with a knife before you get the shot off anyway.
Your fucking scenario of "defending a home without ever learning to shoot" is fucking retarded no matter how you look at it.
It's REASONABLE, if not safe, to assume that anyone GETTING SOMETHING FOR HOME DEFENSE will practice with it.
>>697358076
I read up on CCW laws not gun laws i thought the minimum was 21. I know what I am buying next.
Would walmart sell me a shotgun? Or should I seek a shop....
>>697351472
Because I own a CZ58 faggot
>>697359576
>>697359576
>>697359576
>>697359576
SEE THIS GUY YOU FUCKING IDIOTS? THIS IS THE GUY I WAS TELLING YOU CAN HAVE A 100% SAFE GUN WITHOUT EVER EVEN PUTTING IT IN A SAFE. DO YOU SEE NOW? NO. YOU DONT.
>>697357963
>>697356348
>>697358948
FUCKING RETARDS
>>697359534
>16 inches is an SBR you giant retarded faggot.
>>697359767
how will you shoot the home invader from 300 yards away?
because my country is 92% white
>>697359725
Fucked up shoulder. Lol.
Keep it simple stupid.
Less shit to practice, less shit to fuck up.
>>697351472
>>697359725
>Enjoy your outrageously fucked up shoulder
Wait....what the fuck?
>>697351472
No -- it stands for "Armalite rifle" -- but guess what Armalite is known for? Assault Rifles.
nd it's down Along the Falls Road, that's where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on my left and another on my right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
I was stopped by a soldier, said he, You are a swine,
He hit me with his rifle and he kicked me in the groin,
I begged and I pleaded, sure me manners were polite
But all the time I'm thinking of me little Armalite.
And it's down in The bogside that's where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on my left and another on my right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
Sure a brave RUC man came marching up into our street
Six hundred British soldiers he had lined up at his feet
"Come out, ye cowardly Fenians", said he, "come out and fight".
But he cried, "I'm only joking", when he heard the Armalite.
Sure it's down in Kilwilkie, that's where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on my left and another on my right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
Sure, the army came to visit me, 'twas in the early hours,
With Saladins and Saracens and Ferret armoured cars
They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright
With the armour piercing bullets of my little Armalite.
And it's down in the New lodge that's where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
When Tuzo came to Belfast, he said, The battle's won,[a]
Said General Ford, We're winning sir, we have them on the run.
But corporals and privates on patrol at night,
Said, Send for reinforcements, it's the bloody Armalite.
And it's down in Crossmaglen, that's where I long to be,
Lying in the dark with a Provo company,
A comrade on me left and another on me right
And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.
>>697352994
based solely on your spelling, you're a liar originating from the UK
>>697360135
This thread is 95% underage faggots who have never shot a gun their entire life
>>697360059
With my Cugir SSG97 (PSL) obviously.. are you retarded?
As much as we like to trash each other's gun choices, I enjoy the joking around and competition. But the true fact is that we all stand together against liberal pussies who want to take our guns away.
>My AKM, SKS, and 1911
>>697351472
I live in Britain
>>697351472
I'd like to OP. I just don't have the extra money to afford one. I do own a 9mm i use for my daily carry and a simple pump-shotgun my father passed down to me for hunting/home defense purposes.
>>697360135
lol 12 gauge magnum will at most give you a bruise
>>697351472
I don't need one.
>>697360375
So true
>>697360405
>slav guns
because it's illegal for me to
>>697360109
>come on and slam
>>697355702
>rifles have never been manufactured incorrectly
>>697354776
You're probably voting for Hillary too you dumbfuck.
prefer the ps90
>>697351472
well... not an AR-15, since I live in germoney.
>>697360449
But a shotgun's terrible for home defense, just read the posts above to explain why.
I personally use a .600 nitro express for home defense.
BECAUSE I CAN'T OWN ONE DUE TO MY GOVERNMENT DISABILITY STATUS
>>697360738
>shotgun bad for home defense
maybe if they come in covered head to toe in body armor. Otherwise it's going to drop mother fuckers with ease.
>>697360738
>Not using a 20mm anti-tank rifle
>>697360656
you better believe it.
She's going to be the brave one and lead us in the right direction of gun banning.
>>697360600
>cheap ammo and reliable
>>697357898
>temporary cavitation
>>697360958
If people are coming after you wearing full body armor you are probably fucked anyways unless you have backup.
>>697358948
You are a fucking idiot. That anon is on your side.
>>697354630
>implying a forward assist is any different than pushing the ak bolt forward with your hand
>>697360966
I have one of those too, but my wife doesn't like to use it. So I keep the .600 loaded next to the bed.
>>697361212
no one uses forward assist, it's really just there to look cool
>>697360105
>ar15 shoulder bruise
>12 gauge actually has broken shoulders before
Don't be so fucking stupid and meme so fucking hard.
Or did you just not CLICK THE BACK LINK?
>>697360420
Very true. All joking aside, we are all on the same side. The only true enemy are the antigunners.
>>697360738
being this scared of your community
>>697360687
That long ass barrel sticking out ruins it for me. If it's not full retard with the 10" barrel I don't want it.
It's cool as fuck if you don't neuter it.
>>697361247
>.600
better not miss you won't be getting many follow up shots
>>697360966
How do you even get a 20mm? Isn't that considered a DD?
Woah, when did /k/ get here?
>>697361411
Except for hypothetical fingerprint gun guy.
Fuck him for trying to refute a reasonable logical reason for some moron not to want a pistol.
>>697361620
Mines a semi-auto
Go back to /k/ kikes
>>697361627
I think I have seen some for sale at a gun show. Was like $10 a shot though. Fuck that.
>>697361830
won't matter when it flies out your hand and your eardrums explode
>>697361382
I'll meme as hard as I want too.
Pussy.
>>697361904
I'm not worried about the ammo. I just thought anything with a bore over .50 and not a shotgun was NFA territory. Granted, it's not impossible to get NFA items.
I prefer to have 12ga birdshot for self defense
>>697361965
But my 12 gauge breaks my shoulder every time I fire it. So I'll take exploded eardrums, thanks.
Besides, I only kill someone in my house once or twice a year.
>>697361639
>>697361865
I just come here to jack off.
>>697353504
When you are of being true comrade
Only good gun are Mosin, kalashnikov, and sks
>>697362149
How is
>your family might need to shoot an intruder
a reasonable thing to say
but
>12 gauge is much harder to handle and can injure your shoulder
isn't?
What if A becomes B? Do you wan't 12 year old timmy shouldering a shotgun or shooting a 9mm?
>>697360301
>clip
>>697357487
nigger.
>>697362793
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U76Nde6rMTw
>>697362496
Because I've fired thousands of shotgun rounds, including 3 1/2" 12 ga loads, and never had a bruised shoulder. Not even when I was 12-13 years old.
Because I'm a faggot in California
>>697363168
>clip
>>697362993
I invite you to go check the context of this discussion. Protip: it is not "experience shooters"
>>697363168
Not sure if serious cause of clip and 30 round extended, but completely correct
>>697363168
>30 round .45 clip
Nigga what?
>30 round clip
>.45
>30 rounds of .45acp
>in a clip
>+1
>>697362993
Really? I invite you to youtube "shotgun recoil fail" and then imagine those are 12yos instead of grown men.
>>697351472
>non-retarded barrel profile
>carbine gas on a 16" barrel
They were so close.
>>697363568
Just cause they are grown dosent make them men.
>>697359767
I approve of your Vz and reply with my own Vz.
>>697363568
I stand corrected. Shotguns should obviously be illegal, what with all the unexpected jumping around and exploding in your face that they do.
>>697363737
>argumentum ad hominem
>no true scot(nearly)
>>697363850
What the fuck is up with you people? Click the goddamn backlinks. I'm arguing that shotguns aren't ideal for home defense compared to pistols.
God, get the fuck out of my face you fucking shitheaded retard.
>>697363850
>strawman is what
>>697361373
It's nice to have both a silent bolt closure and the ability to force the bolt into battery if need be.
I don't feel comfortable with rifles that do not either have a fixed charging handle or bolt assist.
>>697363568
I defy you to show me anyone with any gun experience at all that has a shotgun hit them in the face or break their shoulder.
The fact that YouTube has videos of idiots who have never fired an air rifle before getting beat up by a 2 ounce 12 gauge load doesn't mean shit.
>>697351472
Because i commit my life to RK-Chan, the one and only senpai
Also i can stash my porn inside the stock.can you say the same?
>>697364277
dafuq is that?
>>697351472
Accurate, but almost zero stopping power and horribly unreliable. The .223 cartridge was developed as a "shoot-to-wound" cartridge with the thinking that if enemies had to care for more wounded soldiers that it would burden them and give a strategical advantage.
7.62x39 (AK-47 / SKS) is where it's at. A little less accurate at 100+ yards, but most combat will be within 100 yards anyway, and WAY MORE stopping power. Virtually impossible to survive being shot with that round.
>>697351472
Tfw Hillary will try and take away our weaponfu's
>>697364526
>Accurate, but almost zero stopping power and horribly unreliable
Nice memebait
>>697364500
finland say AK is good but we change a little bit and make it ourself
FINLAND STRONK
>>697364500
Finnish RK62. main assault rifle of the finnish defense force. Along side its younger brother, RK95 TP
>>697364234
>>697362496
>12 year old timmy shouldering a shotgun or shooting a 9mm
>>697363415
>I invite you to go check the context of this discussion. Protip: it is not "experience shooters"
>>697360105
>Less shit to practice, less shit to fuck up.
^ironically someone arguing they're good for people with no practice; this is the antithesis to my entire point
>>697358225
>By the way: the guy who in your scenario can't hold a pistol?
>>697356505
>Everything you just said about every single caliber is bullshit... holy fucking bait. Oh my god. Holy SHIT.
>>697355778
>>697355778
>>697355778
THIS IS THE POST WE HAVE BEEN ARGUING BASED ON THIS ENTIRE TIME.
DO YOU FUCKING AGREE WITH IT? NEITHER DO I
I HAVE NEVER BEEN ARGUING THAT: SHOTGUNS ARE DANGEROUS
SHOTGUNS ARE SCARY
SHOTGUNS ARE GARBAGE
SHOTGUNS ARE BAD FOR HOME DEFENSE
SHOTGUNS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL
SHOTGUNS ARE DANGEROUS FOR PERSONAL USE
Do you UNDERSTAND ME NOW?
ALL I AM SAYING IS PISTOLS ARE SUPERIOR FOR HOME DEFENSE YOU
>MASSIVE
>FUCKING
>FAGGOTS
As a eurofag, why do you have assault rifles for self defence, surely a pistol/smg would be easier in the kind of distances you'd be engaging a potential robber or whatever. Sorry for bad engrish
>>697351472
5.56 guns forbidden in my country
>>697364910
I shot a nigger breaking into my apartment with a Mossberg 500. Pretty gr8, would recommend shotguns all day every day
>>697364910
Except I agree with >>697355778
>>697351472
I love in an upper class white gated neighborhood
>>697364787
u got dat rait pal
>>697365175
There is a significant amount of difference between the power of a handgun and the power of a rifle. Handguns may take multiple chest hits to stop an aggressive person. Also in America you could (theoretically) face off against someone with kevlar soft body armor that would stop pistol rounds, but not rifle rounds.
>>697365175
The left claims that "assault rifles" are super deadly and dangerous, so why wouldn't I want to use the best thing available to defend myself and my property?
And if you are thinking of full auto guns, those have been heavily restricted in the US for decades now.
>>697365175
pistols only kill 30% of the time, rifles kill 75% of the time. Pistol is good for the nightstand though
>>697365175
Assault rifles are very expensive (over $25,000) in the US and hardly anybody owns them.
>>697351472
>live in russia
>shitty gun laws (eg shotguns only for 5 first years)
>nonexistent gun market (you could buy few russian made shotguns/semi-auto rifles or overpriced italian shotguns. and that's it.)
>almost impossible to get license after 2012
>defacto outlawed self defence with firearms
>>697365231
What if you were in a different room? If they came in through a window? You can have your pistol on you 24/7.
>>697365344
no; you ARE
>>697355778
And whether you are or not, enjoy trying to get it out from under your bed/out of hte closet/out of the gun safe before jamal plugs you 6 times with his glock19.
Or are you really insane enough to just carry it around your house all day propping it up beside you?
Besides, why not just use a flamethrower? No recoil, hard to miss, highly deadly. best for home defense, right? 1s1k
>>697351472
But I do, and it does a good job protecting me from niggers trying to steal shit from my farm.
>>697365682
>If they came in through a window?
but anon not everyone has bay windows or doors that are windows. some people live in garbage apartments cause were poor and you have to crawl through our windows
>>697365504
yeah, what the media refers to as assault rifle is actually a semi-automatic sporting rifle. Doesn't sound as scary when you say it like that though.
I am in California and am not old enough for a license
>>697365344
Then you have literally no understanding of ballistics.
>>697365175
Because >>697359767
I live in California.
