ATHEISTS ARE RETARDED. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOUR THEORY DISPROVES GOD....OH WAIT YOU CANT
fuck off niga
evolution bitch
Odin was here.
>>696871679
how does that disprove anything idiot
>>696871673
great argument
>>696871478
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_I_Am_Not_a_Christian
Fucking prove god is real then, oh wait you cant.
>>696872365
fucking prove hes not faggot
>>696872089
i dont care why some random british dude isnt christian. you didnt even answer my question
sam harris disapproves mathematically free will= all abrahamic religions are wrong = god described in these religion is made by men such as the religion itself
>>696872746
who the fuck is sam harris. science cant explain what existed before the big bang or what caused it. so, how is that anymore logical than god
>>696871478
gr8 b8 m8
But srsly, it's not about disproving anything. It's about what we can determine based off basic logic. We can't test whether or not God is real, so it's safe to assume he isn't. It's much more likely that religion is 100% fabricated by man.
>>696871478
Gr8 b8
>>696873386
science cant explain what caused the big bang. a random explosion just happened out of nothing? makes no sense
>>696871478
burden of proof is always on the person making the positive claim. religious people claim their god exists, so they have to prove it. I see no evidence, and all the arguments are fallacious, so I don't believe them. It's that simple.
>>696873650
Science can and does explain it. You are just too pedestrian to get it
>>696871478
The fact that the earth is billions of years old disproves god since god went from creation to man in 6 days
>>696873650
so it makes more sense to assume (without any evidence) that the big bang was caused by a humanoid being, and for some reason the existence of this being doesn't require an explanation? That's extra retarded
>>696873747
explain then please
>>696873114
the thing is when you are capable of seeing religion as if it is made by god , then it can´t have a single mistake , if it dose than it is wrong because it sees it self flawless .
now when someone is capable mathematically of disproving free well (the core hart of abrahamic religions) that leaves us into 2 conclusions either god is not perfect and is punishing people who dont have free well thus making the concept of a heaven and a hell illogical or it leaves us to the fact that it isn't made by god but made by a human(s) .
pls prove, that I am not god.
wait ... you can't
>>696873650
That's kinda why it's called a theory. It's our best educated guess. No one is accepting it as fact. For all we know it very well could be a "big man in the sky" so to speak, but it could just as easily be a flying spaghetti monster. Until I see solid evidence of anything, I'll remain unassuming.
btw : Son!... STFU you're a fucking moron !
Why can't people just have their own beliefs without others trying to disprove them. This shit is why ISIS exists.
It is more like atheists can prove god concept wrong, using theories based on sciance, those theories being based on experiments, are experiancable and measureable, in contrast to god existance, which is not. that is why it is called faith, not scientific theory.
>>696871478
>YOUR THEORY DISPROVES GOD
> implying that the power of reason is the only way a human being can know anything at all
>>696874652
"sciance" i stopped reading when i saw that
>>696874363
You do know a scientific theory is the graduation point of a hypothesis and theories trump scientific facts as they make accurate predictions based on empirical evidence? For example, the empirical evidence we have for the Big Bang is the cosmic background radiation coming from every direction of the universe, an imprint caused uniquely by the expansion of the universe. The question of why it happened is irrelevant once you know that it did happen.
>>696874135
At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.
Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them. This kind of beginning to the universe, and of time itself, is very different to the beginnings that had been considered earlier. These had to be imposed on the universe by some external agency. There is no dynamical reason why the motion of bodies in the solar system can not be extrapolated back in time, far beyond four thousand and four BC, the date for the creation of the universe, according to the book of Genesis. Thus it would require the direct intervention of God, if the universe began at that date. By contrast, the Big Bang is a beginning that is required by the dynamical laws that govern the universe. It is therefore intrinsic to the universe, and is not imposed on it from outside.
>>696874049
WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BANG. PLEASE TELL ME
>>696875093
Time didn't exist before the big bang so nothing caused it. It's like asking who created god
>>696875309
Turtles all the way down
>>696872446
If this post is quints then god is real.
If this post is anything other than quints, then that proves there is no god.
>>696875309
THAT MAKES ZERO FUCKING SENSE. A MASSIVE EXPLOSION DOESNT JUST HAPPEN OUT OF NOTHING. SOMETHING HAD TO HAVE CAUSED IT
God is real
He just gave me these dubs
>>696875488
It's dubs so there is no god but there is a satan
>>696872746
Sam Harris is a zionist shill fuck him
You'll never get me to support Israhell you fucking racist kikes
Damn it dad, stop anoying our children. It's time to do something about those middle-east faggots.
>>696875536
A being doesnt exist without something creating it somehow created god?
>>696875621
i am jesus ofcourse
>>696872446
Hey.
Hey you retarded piece of shit. You with the imaginary friend who lives in the sky and who will punish you with pain and fire for masturbating.
Here's your proof that God doesn't exist.>>696875488
>>696874946
My concern is that OP will get caught up on the word "prediction". Theists always turn around with the excuse that "God made it that way", which is imo bullshit and a lowsy explanation. I honestly believe that absolutely nothing can be taken as 100% fact. It's like that one concept which tests the probability that we are in fact in a computer simulation (alien supercomputers running an incomprehensible number of simulations of the universe and all). "I think, therefore I exist" line of thinking.
>>696875693
So who created god? Sorry
>>696871478
This bait is good bait
>>696871478
You can't prove or disprove God or religion, gr8 b8 though.
>>696875536
It wasn't an explosion it was the creation of time and space. Just because you can't grasp it doesn't make it not true.
take thi:https://telegram.me/joinchat/DhKsWT_FMam9yJhYOo8ltQ oh
>>696876002
explain please what caused the big bang
The universe expanding at an accelerating rate supports the big bang theory
>>696876100
Aliens.
>>696876139
what caused it? what was there before it? so many unanswered questions
>>696876100
Cause has no meaning without time and since the big bang created time cause before it has no meaning. And again who created god
>>696871855
It disproves all fairy tales about naked people who talk to snakes.
Also, check em.
can you prove that the book that you read and live your life around has a real possibility of what it is. God is a false truth to the real truth of death.
>>696875775
That's why in science we usually make predictions within a margin of error. Run a hypothesis a couple hundred times by a hundred independent institutes and if you get somewhat same results you write a thesis, get it peer reviewed and if you're lucky it becomes a scientific theory. It's a very long process that takes decades to be finalised. Just look at how long it took to prove the existence of the Higgs Boson.
>>696871478
Religion and science are not incompatible.
>>696876291
We have no way of knowing and never will
>>696871478
What in the name of science did you just say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in Evolutionary Quantum Physics, and I have over 300 featured publications. I am trained in the Theory of Evolution and I'm the top scholar in the entire scientific world. You are nothing to me but another non thinker. I will teach you the Evolution of the human genome with the largest amount of scientific proof that has ever been seen; mark my words. You think you can get away with still believing in God? Think again, bigot. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of top scientists and scholars across the USA and you're going to be forced to accept science and reason, so you better prepare for your awakening, sir. The awakening that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call christianity. You'll be educated soon, sir. I can teach you anywhere, anytime, and I can recite by name over seven hundred common ancestors of man, and that's just off the top of my head. Not only am I extensively trained in scientific debate, but I have access to the entire literature of the University of Cambridge and I will use it to its full extent to bring you into Atheism, you little Jesus lover. If only you could have known what retribution your belief system was about to bring down upon you, maybe you wouldn't have challenged Atheism. But you couldn't, you didn't and now you're paying the price, you goddamned christian. I will teach the Theory of Evolution all over you and you will drown in it. You'll be an Atheist soon, kiddo
I cannot disprove something that does not exist! That is the logical arguement.
You also cannot prove God exists, this is also logical. So whats your fuckin point. I'm glad you pray to idols to make you feel better about knowing your going to die, you weak believer.
>>696876910
please explain how a random explosion from absolutely nothing is more logical than god
>>696871478
>>696873114
I´m so tired of faggots who think science is supposed to have all answers and nothing remains to be explained.
Science is an ongoing process. It grows and develops. It´s nothing like religion, which is static and unchanging.
>>696877072
Because we can actually see it.
>>696877072
To answer that, you'd need to answer where God came from.
>Bonus points: do it without saying, "he's always been there."
>>696877260
What if he HAS always been there?
>>696873735
This.
When you try to explain anything scientific to a moron, you're only wasting your time as they will pull out the God dun did it card, or you weren't there card. I just ignore them, their religion is dying slowly but surely, God has no place in the future using a bronze age ideology.
>>696877260
Or why God is a better option than a time traveling Robert dinero
>>696877214
Religion (especially Xtianity) seems to change whenever it's socially convenient. I have a cousin who's from an extremely evangelical, religious side of the family. This is the side that would be in church 3-4x a week, and go to all of the functions, quote the Bible repeatedly, have a Bible in each room, and so on. This family has always demonized and ridiculed me for asking the questions they didn't have the answers to, using him as a model Christian.
Turns out, this cousin in particular is gay, and has full-blown AIDS. Now all of a sudden, they love him, and he's a pastor.
>>696877402
Wow, back to 3rd grade with the "what if" questions. What if JFK really was a jelly doughnut? Can we please ask less retarded questions, thanks.
>>696877402
But where did he come from? Why does science have to explain what caused the big bang but religion doesn't have to explain who created god?
>>696877402
By that same logic, you can say that the 'explosion' is one of an infinite amount of explosions that have been taking place since
>always
which would be a logical fallacy, right? Your same 'god' himself said everything has a beginning and an end; what would make him immune to that?
>>696871478
>ATHEISTS ARE RETARDED
I've always been an atheist but you know what? The more I observe the INSANE behavior of atheists, especially internet atheists and double especially youtube atheists(sexism,racism,lies,sophistry,etc..), the more tend to agree with this statement.
I HAD to start calling myself agnostic.
>>696877542
>>696874135
There is a little thing called Google that would help explain it, but you are apparently to lazy to educate yourself.
>>696877677
then that just means both of you cant explain so neither is more logical than the other.
>>696877832
So you admit that god is illogical
>>696877789
you just lost the argument by saying that
>>696878028
so you admit science is illogical?
>>696878112
Why does saying look it up invalidate the argument? It's just saying I won't do the work for you
>>696877765
Do you have any concrete examples? Assholes exist in every group, they're not limited to theists, atheists or even agnostics.
>>696878247
This
>>696878219
Science can explain what religion fails to. Bear in mind that the Bible once referred to the Moon as a star.
>>696878247
no its because you dont fucking know
>>696871478
Atheists don't necessarily try to disprove God. Holy fuck this bait.
>>696878219
I admit the concept of time not existing before the big bang is illogical. Doesnt make it not true just means I'm too stupid to understand it
>>696878268
yeah sure act like you don't know who I'm talking about
>>696878371
That's the basis of science. Saying I don't know let me do research
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>>696878569
Difference between science and religion. One continues to look for answers the other just believes regardless of evidence to the contrary
>>696878431
like most atheists you guys are too stupid to understand anything..
>>696878371
There are pages upon pages on the internet explaining the big bang theory, just because we are too lazy ourselves or don't have the capacity to sum it all up for you conviently on an anonymous image board does not mean we ourselves don't know or are not educated on the subject. Try harder next time.
>>696878725
>>696878948
I actually need to watch some anime tonight.
>It's Thursday
Good, then it's martial arts anime.
>>696878827
Everyone is stupid we just admit it and look to get smarter in stead of believing what and ancient book tells us
>>696874986
Criminally underrated post.
>>696878562
I'll assume you're talking about TJ. Except for him being obviously obnoxious, which is the whole premise of his channel, what has he said that's racist, sexist etc. I've always thought of him as a reasonable asshole.
>>>>>> God . . .really now let's be the Humans that we are and accept one thing. Their is no such thing as God Or the Big Bang Theory because both are absurd. The idea of both these things are little to slim to be true. One thing we can all agree is that the Universe is wide and looks endless, and so somewhere in this world we did have a "being" interven in this world. In other words think of us as failed experiments that in time will prof that we are well capable even with our deformities. Aliens are responsible for our existence.
>>696878780
Yeah God rules the small and the big, no contradiction here.
So much for being Omnipotent.
>God 0 Me 1
>>696879432
fucking retard
>>696879332
Right. So he 'created' a vast, ever-expanding cosmos with an upwards of billions of galaxies and trillions of stars, moons, planets, and so on just to focus...on...making sure you're not masturbating and eating pork or crab.
>>696874932
Wow, you think I misspelled and rest of my post is not worth of reading? First of all - I didn't, it is just your vocabulary that isn't too rich, "sciance" is acumulative noun for knowledge and reason, and it matches better with what i had in mind," science" as a word developed from it. Second - if your whole point of disproving someones opinion is based solely on grammar error in otherwise sensible sentence, you are an ignorant, shallow fool. Also english is not my first language, it is third actualy. I'm sorry my english in not understandable to you, i promise to train it more when i finish editing my doctoral book and receive my doctor of law title. I can just hope i can meet someone like you in court as my oponent, for i whitnessed many idiots there, you shall be the finest...
>>696879815
100% agree
>>696874699
Read up on neokantism and rational thinking
>>696879815
yes thats all he does.. fucking idiot
Your telling me god let the Germans invade and destroy millions of innocent people? Fuck you
>>696880245
If that's the case, then he clearly has his priorities out of order.
>>696880134
SPACE PORN.
>>696880052
Cool meme, much cool
>>696871478
No.
your post demonstrates that you lack the ability to utilize logic and critical thinking.
So why waste any more time?
>>696880740
EXPLAIN WHAT CAUSED THE BIG BANG PLS. NO ONE HAS DONE THIS YET
>>696880920
That's what we're actively trying to figure out. Researching.
>dark matter
>dark energy
>what is gravity, really?
>singularities and expansion
>the four forces of the universe
>>696880920
Do it yourself, bitch.
>>696880920
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>>696880920
Again
At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.
Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them. This kind of beginning to the universe, and of time itself, is very different to the beginnings that had been considered earlier. These had to be imposed on the universe by some external agency. There is no dynamical reason why the motion of bodies in the solar system can not be extrapolated back in time, far beyond four thousand and four BC, the date for the creation of the universe, according to the book of Genesis. Thus it would require the direct intervention of God, if the universe began at that date. By contrast, the Big Bang is a beginning that is required by the dynamical laws that govern the universe. It is therefore intrinsic to the universe, and is not imposed on it from outside.
Where was God when the Nazis killed 10 million people? Where was God when innocent people were put to death in Salem during the witch hunts? Where was God when in the blink of an eye, 80 thousands Nips were wiped from the face of the earth? There was no God because there is no God. All we have evidence of is humans and their ability to create works of fiction or science. With enough persuasion we can convince others that fiction is reality or that science is the way to go and then we are allowed to turn on each other and justify it on man made constructs such as morality so that we don't feel bad when we let millions die so that billions more can continue to thrive.
>>696881309
Refute that
>>696871478
Nothing to explain, I just don't believe that God exists that's all
>>696881309
>>696881457
The Universe itself is 'god,' and it doesn't care about your weekly worship.
>>696881421
All powerful all knowing benevolent being can't exist. So either that is no all powerful being or the one that exists is evil, i Satan. Hail Satan
>>696871478
I see your point
Counterpoint:
THEISTS ARE RETARDED. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOUR THEORY PROVES GOD....OH WAIT YOU CANT
>>696881573
why not
Evolution of course. Fcking catholic, go religión fuck itself.
>>696881309
that doesnt explain shit. There HAD to be something before the big bang. science cant explain that
>>696882326
It explains it perfectly. Dont blame me because you don't understand it
Newfag here hi everyone.
>>696881771
Ockham approves of this.
>>696882709
Newfangled
>>696882582
i completely understand it. it doesnt answer my question
>>696880920
I thought I was supposed to disprove your theory that a man in the sky made everything in 6 days but then got sleepy .
>>696882326
Big Crunch > Big Bang > Expansion > Contraction > Big Crunch > Big Bang etc. etc. etc.
>>696871478
I don't think atheists give a shit if God is real or not. they would simply choose not to worship him regardless of his existence.
>>696882847
Other poster here. Your question proves by itself that you don't understand. The definition of "before" and "after" only applies after the big bang.
>HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
>>696883037
>Big Crunch
explain how everything was created before that
>>696882847
It does. You just don't like the answer. The answer is the question is irrelevant but just because the question is irrelevant and there isn't an answer that would make sense doesn't mean it's not true since it did happen and there is proof of it. Something exited before it. Something caused it. Those two things are beyond what we can understand because they don't obey the laws of physics which were created in the big bang.
>HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
>HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE?
>Now then HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
>>696883302
so how does this disprove god? if anything this supports it.
>>696871478
This: https://youtu.be/0RdSNDo56Kg
>Hey and HUEHUEHUEHUHUE
I'm prepared to take some things on faith. I'd much rather believe that there's a celestial afterlife, rather than dismal nothingness. I'm afraid to die and the belief of God lessens the fear some.
>bump
>bump bump
>>696883301
Cosmology allows a universe of something to be created from nothing.
I mean we have things that are so dense that not even light can escape them, and you think it is impossible for the universe to come from nothing?
Also big crunch is likely bs since noe the universe is going to infinitely expand
>>696883733
>check em
>>696883668
You just explained why every single human civilization has invented gods.
>>696883777
>TRIPS CHECK EM
>>696883301
Massless particles interacting with the Higgs field, from which they gain mass. Within a universe that is comprised of a single point, all mass is generated in that point, aka the singularity. At the point of criticality (the point where the singularity is capable of exceeding it's confines via quantum movement) it erupts into its expansion phase.
>>696883527
It doesn't. It was an answer to the question of why caused the big bang. You can't prove a negative. It's like saying prove I don't own a pink unicorn that exists outside of the fabric of time. You can't because it's impossible. That's why burden of proof is on the affirmative not the negative. So prove there is a god is the question not the other way around.
>>696883836
this
>>696883895
you know what else is impossible? Billions of galaxies being created from nothing
>>696883105
Atheist here. Not worshipping a god despite it's proven existence would be something extraordinary cool, but sadly it won't happen because there is none to defy.
>>696884256
No that's not impossible because it happened. There is evidence of it. Unlike god where there is no evidence.
>>696884256
Not actually true. You can create something from nothing, as long as the net energy sum is still 0. You can create a universe from nothing if the energy of the mass is the opposite of the total field energy.
>>696883836
Basically. But I figure everybody's really afraid to die, and if they say they aren't they're not really thinking about it. So what's a heathen's solace in death?
Bow before your God
>>696884442
so what you're saying is, its possible for a car to just pop in out of thin air because things can be created from nothing right?
>>696884256
Galaxies were formed out if local star clusters spinning around a massive black hole due to centrifugal and gravitational forces. Why do you theists think that the universe was formed out of "nothing". The big bang contained all the energy and matter present in the universe, and due to it's expansion, the fabric of time space was created, thus allowing the matter to occupy space within it. No where "nothing" is mentioned. The very concept of nothingness is absurd and unrealistic.
>>696884508
My only fear concerning death is that I'll feel unfulfilled when it happens. I'm not sure if posting that here counts as irony or not.
>>696884464
Heaven: volcano full of cold beer and hot strippers
Hell: volcano of warm beer and hot strippers (but they have std's)
>>696884508
I don't really understand your point. A heathen is convinced that his god is real and that yours is not, which makes you the heathen from his viewpoint, and his solace in death is the same as yours. The one facing the void is the atheist.
But it doesn't really matter because the same fate will happen to all 3 of them: disappearance from reality - belief in the afterlife eases your life but still does not make it real.
DIVINE LIVES MATTER
>bump
>bumppp
>>696885130
Are ghosts real
>>696884681
>tries to argue absurd unrealism to people that fundamentally see such things as positives to admire and the basis for faith.
if you could reason with them...
if they were in fact reasonable people...
they wouldn't need religion to begin with.
>>696884442
What about the time an image of the Virgin Mary appeared in a tree
Explain that, smart guy
>>696885491
I'm not sure if that's irony or not, so I'll consider it's not.
From on atheist point of view, ghosts do not exist. Demons do not exist either, nor do gods, spirits, devils etc. The idea is: all claim that a conscious intelligence exists with no physical support is a delusion.
If this post ends with a 6 god is real
EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS HAD TO HAVE BEEN CREATED BY SOMETHING. SCIENCE CANT EXPLAIN WHAT EXISTED BEFORE THE BIG BANG AND WHY IT EXISTED
>>696886105
/thread
this thread is autistic and you are autistic
consider suicide to bring yourself closer to god
>>696885792
One time I saw a cloud that had the shape of a winged pony, and boom, a new god to worship.
May He embrace you in his noodley goodness
>>696885967
It was a joke, but I think ghosts are real, which is a big pointer towards at least some sort of afterlife, if that counts for anything
>>696886135
The fact that you don't know how something happened does not mean that a bearded wizard living on a cloud made it. Think "mayonnaise" for example.
>>696886255
Ramen.
Since God is the flying spaghetti monster
Makes you rethink how God got mary preggo
>>696886390
I'm an atheist, but if I ever get a proof that ghosts exist, I would be ready to revise my judgement about all other mystical creatures, gods included. I would even like to, because I'm just as scared of death as anybody.
Unfiortunately, I never saw even remotely convincing evidence.
>>696886745
that's a catechism I can live with
>>696886889
its pretty obvious ghosts are real. you just dont want to believe it
there are a bunch of religion. why not just say there isn't a religion.
>>696887361
At least he's open to the idea and not blinded by hatred for Christanity though
>>696887361
Please be kind enough to provide some evidence to support that affirmation, and you'll make my life a lot more exciting. Speaking of death, is it me or is this thread dying? Even trolls deserted.
>>696887561
what the fuck are you trying to say
I believe in God but 99% of the stories in the bible are man-made inventions.
Hell, you go to hell for masturbating and not believing in Jesus Christ are all fake and stupid.
Just don't be an asshole and everything's fine.
There are many studies that, surprisingly, disprove evolution, so many scientists tend to believe in God also.
Explain this to me and I'm gonna make it short :
>1 year ago
>atheist as fuck
>go to bed
I had a dream.I was in a lovely place, it was so beautiful I can't even describe in words, like the most beautiful landscape ever.
I was under a tree with a tall-middle eastern looking guy.
He told me : ''I'm Jesus Christ, don't worry, my son, I love you, but great suffering will come to you, but fear not, she's just preparing for the Heavens, remember the number 22."
On April 22, 2015 my mother was rushed into the hospital due to a traffic accident.
On May 22, 2015, she died after being 1 month in coma.
You be the judge.
>>696871478
Believing in a guy who is his own father, made his own pregnant mother pregnant, comes back to life with a 3 days lag, spent his life on earth surrounded by 12 guys but no women coz he never went out the closet, tells you to eat his flesh and drink his blood, says he's gonna come back but you're still waiting like a nigglet waiting for his dad to return, etc etc
SOUNDS LEGIT
>>696887709
Respek
>>696871478
If anything, theists should be proving he exists and not the other way around. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
>>696887776
>2016
>not believing in jewish space zombies
nigger what are you even doing with your life
>>696887709
i dont believe everything from the bible. but i just dont see how there CANT be a god
>>696888047
I view it more as Christians defending their belief, and in the justice system, it's the prosecution's burden to provide evidence.
>>696887709
The relation of the dream seems so legit that I won't even comment it.
The affirmation that "many studies disprove evolution" is more interesting, knowing that 1) all real qualified scientists agree and 2) even religious authourities ceased to try to oppose it decades ago (at least in the Western World) because of the huge amount of evidence that have been gathered.
So, with all due respect, I'll have to mark your comment with "citation needed".
>>696872746
>sam harris disapproves mathematically free will
Meanwhile, I rub mustard in my hair and masturbate with chicken blood.
Why or how am I able to do this?
>random anon disproves sam harris (whoever the fuck that is)
>>696888047
That a God exists isn't an extraordinary claim: it's been the ordinary, accepted belief in every culture since human civilization began.
>>696888047
>Extraordinary claims
Atheists seem to forget that THEY are the minority. Most of the world believes in God, or a god.
>>696888698
this
>>696888958
and this
>>696888698
Interesting point, but how do you explain that every civilization has invented different gods, more often than not mutually exclusive?
Doesn't this hint at some truth about human nature, and not about divine existence?
>>696888958
Or several gods.
What makes one any more legitimate/true than the other(s)?
>>696889139
The FIRST commandment of the ten commandments reads:
>"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
The bible clearly states that people will worship "false gods" and "false idols".
>>696873114
>how's that logical
Cuz anything we cant prove is labeled as such, instead of just inserting 'cuz god' into it.
>>696889314
every religion is wrong except for Christianity
>>696888958
Proof by majority of supporters is no proof, just think about the ancient belief of the flat Earth.
Funny thought if you were right: in France most people are atheists, so, would that mean that if some gods do exist in your country, they stop to exist when you cross the French border?
>>696887709
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. People dream all sorts of weird shit and desperately try to believe it, so eventually something similar happens and boom, confirmation bias. It's the same thing as me telling you not to think about a pink elephant. You're going to think about a pink elephant now because I mentioned a pink elephant. You'll subconsciously associate things with pink and elephants. The human brain is very good at recognising patters and filling up gaps and a lot of times it will play tricks on you.
>>696889314
Well, one could argue that we all believe in the same god. It's just that everybody wrote their holy books to suit their individual culture. Because everybody seems to agree that a lot of the things written in the Bible are basically bullshit.
>>696889557
Which denomination of Christianity? Catholicism?
>>696889139
It suggests, to me, that God is beyond the full understanding of humans and that while all peoples have a sense of a sacred and eternal creator, it's more difficult to grasp the true nature of it.
EXPLAIN HOW NEARLY EVERYONE WHO HAS HAS A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE SAYS THEY MET GOD
>>696890119
HAD**
>>696889465
I hope that's irony or trolling. I sure do hope.
But just in case it's not: let's suppose some other holy book from some other religion affirms that their god is the true one, and that yours is false (hint: it happens).
How do you disprove them, when they challenge you to prove that their god is not real? Just quote your book again, so that they can quote theirs?
>>696890119
Yeah, you're gonna get replies with "because DMT is released, a drug that makes you feel everything at peace"
Well, an NDE person reported some things that had happened to him and they actually had happened while he was dead for 3 minutes.
>>696890119
Not everyone who has had such an experience has said that. Only the ones who have been published.
>>696889139
Same reason why almost all ancient civilisations used to make bows and arrows and built pyramid like structures. Because shooting projectiles and stacking stones in a triangle shape was efficient. Same with gods. Easiest and most efficient way to explain shit you don't understand is to attribute it to a divine being.
>>696890492
not true
>>696890119
its fake...
>>696890748
some stories... probably. not every story
>>696890647
Quite true, actually. You never hear of such tales from people living in non-Christian cultures.
>>696889914
That's the best theist argument so far. Hey, it's even quoted in Civilization IV when you discover mysticism.
Still far from convincing though... Have you noted how the only common point to all religions is the belief in an afterlife? And how more or less everybody is afraid of death? Don't you think that this is a sufficient reason for the emergence of religions more or less everywhere?
>>696871478
Would you like to go the Stephen Roberts route, or the China Teapot route?
>>696890971
now you are just spreading lies
>>696890922
also they will possibly start to hallucinate thinking they see god
something like that "my past flashed before my eyes" or something
>>696871478
Despite many peoples (even atheists) claims that you can't disprove Gods existence, you actually can, and it's pretty simple.
If, for example, you believe in the God from the Bible, there are several assumptions made about him you can disprove ad hoc. The Bible says, for example, that you will get everything you ask for in prayer. You can test this - and therefore the existence of the Bible's God - by praying for something impossible. Nothing will happen - the Bible's God is disproven.
>>696891412
Prove otherwise.
>>696891665
Kek
>>696890119
As far as I know, nearly nobody who had a near death experience says that he met God. Usually its just about seeing some lights and sometimes feeling the presence of long-dead friends and relatives.
>>696890978
There's a lot ore that religions have in common than belief in an afterlife; belief in eternal beings (or a single eternal being), the recognition of the existence of beings (or again a single being) who possess the divine attributes, a sense of the sacred - something which I would stress the importance of and also stress the failure of atheists to understand or explain. To pin down religious sentiment to fear of death is very lazy argumentation, actually.
>>696892010
google it
>>696891655
You can not disprove the existence of a being with the divine attributes. It is literally impossible.
>>696892172
To find some made-up stories on christian websites?
>>696892248
I can. I just did disprove the Bible's God.
In the same way, you can easily disprove a lot of other supposed Gods.
>>696892248
Actually you can not dispprove the existence of anything, besides mathematical propositions. All you can do is observe that you see none, and wait for someone to show you that there is one.
>>696871478
Evolution disproves the concept of adam and eve.
No adam and eve = no original sin
No original sin = no need for Jesus' sacrifice
So at least the God of the Christian Bible is disproven.
I don't need to disprove every god to be rationally justified in belief that there are no gods.
I don't need to disprove every unicorn, leprechaun and fairy to be rationally justified in the belief that there are no magical creatures.
>>696892267
just fucking google it retard and see. im not gonna fucking tell you a fucking bedtime story fucking google it yourself
>>696892434
I don't believe you actually did disprove the existence of the Bible's God but that's neither here nor there; you cannot disprove that there's a being that is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient etc.
>>696892701
>a creatures with limited perception
>it is impossible to prove an existential negative of any kind
if more people understood the logic behind this the world would be a better place
>>696892732
Okay, but nobody really believes that literally everything in the Bible is fact. We know that a lot of it is horse shit, made up by people of the time. So just because there weren't really giants long ago doesn't mean that there isn't a God.
>>696892831
Here's the thing about the god from the bible though, he has physical attributes and affects the physical world though things such as miracles or directly answering prayers. You can quantify those attributes like any other empirical data and judge on his existence or lack thereof depending on the data you've collected.
>>696892831
Omnipotence and omniscience are disproven by logic (Can God make a sandwich so large he can't eat it? Does God already know what he is going to do tomorrow?), but you're right in sofar as that a god that is not at all described can't be disproven. But is a God that has no presence in and no effect on the real world really a God you want to believe in?
>>696892732
Funny (though not really) to see yet another Dawkins fanboy come up with this lazy and unfunny false equating of fairy tales with religion. Besides being unoriginal and lacking in any humor, it shows the total lack of depth that most atheists have when it comes to thinking - as if you can brush off the things which have been central to the human experience since the dawn of time with a lazy and flippant comparison which it bears no similarity to.
>>696877557
so all gods are Big Brother?
>>696879064
This. The christfags ignore it because it explains too much and leaves too little room for counter arguments
>>696871478
Fucking sandnigger
>>696874185
This is so bad and so good at the same time
>>696874986
Words too big
>>696893884
typical atheist bigot. bet you dont even know what that word means
Sage for free
>>696874986
>>696879064
>>696893750
Indeed. I saw something nice on /b/ today.
>>696893387
Not even talking about the Christian God, which is all that you seem to care about.
>>696893421
>Omnipotence and omniscience are disproven by logic
If they can be, which they can't, you have failed to prove that they can. On your second point, the God which exists does have a presence and effect in the real world and can be described (but only through the limitations of human understanding and language, which are infinitesimal in comparison to the eternal divine creator).
Christian : u can't proove god doesn't exist so ur a faget
Atheist: u can't proove god exists so ur a faget.
Can you all fucking man up and respect eachother opinion's already ? Nobody got a single fucking point.
Sage
If dubs God is real.
>>696894611
Dubs of truth
>>696894660
OHHHHHHHH
Sage
if trips god is not real
Saged :)
>>696894660
>>696895198
If I get a 7 then you're moms are lobsters
Durr
>>696894467
I choose the Christian god because obviously the Abrahamic religions are the most mainstream ones. The same criteria applies to any other god or divine figure that has a myth or a holy text regarding them.
>>696895324
Religious hipster
if there was a god he wouldnt make a retard that keeps posting this same fuckin thread
>>696895324
I worship Mithra, but you've probably never heard of Him.
>>696894362
I'm screencapping it, it's so beautiful
>>696895324
You claimed in your first post that you could disprove the existence of God, tried to disprove the existence of the Christian God (and failed), and then said the same highly flawed formula could work on any other God. You seem to not even be bothered with addressing the question of the existence of a God, could you possibly fail any harder than you are doing right now?
Hello, I piss in god's mouth and he likes it. Not sorry cucktians.
>>696895461
atheist retard
>>696896066
>Muh originality
so far no one has had any decent points to support god doesnt exist
>>696895676
not me faggot
>>696896530
I guess you have solid facts to prove he exists right, anon ?
