be honest: should citizens be allowed to own guns?
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be honest: should citizens be allowed to own guns?
All citizens should be allowed guns.
Just not US citizens.
That should be obvious by now.
>>696535985
I like shooting for fun. Nothing is more satisying than hitting targets from far away.
Guns are for robotic overlords, not human citizens.
>>696535985
Yes. Because criminals will always have them.
>>696536119
oh right so we can be defenseless against murderous militarized police forces and such? ya no. you can fuck off shillary (:
>>696535985
Have you ever been robbed at gunpoint? I have.
Have you ever been attacked and beat up by two men? I have.
Have you ever had someone attempt to hurt you and your family on your front lawn? I have.
Luckily, in 2 of the 3 situations I had a gun to defend myself. The first one is why I started carrying a concealed. The other two I would have been killed if I wasn't able to defend myself.
inb4 nigger neighborhood. These all happened in affluent white suburbs by whites and hispanics.
Only emasculated men are afraid of weaponry.
Of course. Governments disarm their citizens for "their own good." When the fuck has the government ever done anything worth while? All citizens in all countries should be armed and able to defend themselves.
>>696537453
This
People think "hurr move out of the ghetto dude"
But think about it, if you're gonna go do some house robbing... are you gonna do it in the ghetto... or the nice neighborhood.
>>696537453
You see? OP and libertards dont want to talk about the truth. This is why we need guns, they have their heads stuck in the sand.
OP fucking answer this man. This is why we need guns, when shit gets real there aint no police going to save you.
>>696538642
>>696537737
eh, Im pretty sure OP is just trollan. /k/ is that way ->
>>696535985
By legal mandate.
the need for firearms isn't really that neccessary provided you have a proper society that includes but not limited to: cohesive citizenry, fair and humane justice system, economic stability and well funded educational institutions.
the nature of humans means there will always be conflict and yet how well a society functions is a determining factor in the percentage of crime.
>>696537697
You mean besides national defence, law and order, roads, health care and everything else taxes pay for?
Yo im a liberal and i love me some guns. I think we ought to take concealed carry more seriously. Psych evals n' shit. I think owning a gun should be respected for what it really is, a grand responsibility to onseself and others.
>>696535985
Believe it or not, there are certain areas of the world and poor people who rely on guns to get food.
So yes, they should be able to, at the VERY least.
>>696535985
Like, what makes you think that whatever you haven't categorized as a citizen is any safer or has more of a reason to a right to it than us? You sound like a supremacist bigot. If you really think you're not, give me and my chosen lot the guns.
>>696538642
If you're so scared of your area, just move. The UK feels rather safe these days, Europe though.. well.. pffff.
>>696535985
Yeah man we should, i wish we coukd in the uk anyway, but then again its oretty chill here but with the increasin risk of terrorism/fakse flags/implementation of martial law, id love to own one right now
We need a law that says we get guns and you don't. Seriously, you're not responsible with them, let us do the gun-toting. Everybody will be safe that way.
>>696539137
You do realise the secret service is why we don't get the shit on the continent over here?
>>696539137
You sound like a massive faggot
Yep....
>>696537083
>shillary
>not ever amerifat.
If you don't like Hillary, you shouldn't have chosen such a huge unelectable fucktard to run against her.
Now I am a liberal American, but I fully believe gun control does not work in this country. I do find it funny that most people that are anti-gun control are also bible thumping conservative jesus freaks... cuz you know... Jesus, a man of peace and anti-violence, would love guns...
>>696535985
this thread again
it's our god given right
>>696535985
Yes a nation must have the means to defend itself against its government if ever needed
>>696535985
As long as they are white yea
>>696539302
I am, but i fuck loads of bitches
>>696535985
Yes. Emphasis on citizens, not illegals.
With a license and sufficient background checks.....sure
>>696541445
we also used to lynch big niggers down in memphis
Times change get used to it.
>>696541966
>>696541925
You dumb nigger that was from a youtube video
>>696541941
And i smoke a lot.
>>696535985
Every person in the world should be allowed to own a gun if they chose to.
>>696535985
Only if allowed to shove them up op's ass
>>696542181
>>696535985
Everyone in world should be forced to own gun then no whining like little girly men when escaped negro takes your pokemon
Since they exist people have the right to own them if they want, but this should only be allowed after an incredibly thorough background and mental health check and weeks if not months of training
>>696535985
Sure
My I've got some criminal neonazi neighbors and cops cannot get here in time to help if they break into my apartment but my shotgun is right by my bed
>>696542540
>a mothers love is forever
Just in case
>>696535985
>be honest: should citizens be allowed to own guns?
I don't know but i do think you're asking the wrong question when it comes to guns and owning them
>>696535985
absolutely yes.
unlawful citizen already have guns, assault rifles and so on
>>696536487
Right
>>696539294
What are the chances of a coup happening like in Turkey or a civil war
If you see any country with a strict gun control you see that crime goes down astronomically. Japan did it and is safe as fuck, australia did it and you have a better chance to be spiderfood than shot. The defense argument is stupid since in the united states of autism you have roughly 260 cases of alleged self defense while 1/3 of the population owns guns. I rest my case.
Source:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html
God guns guts glory
> 'merica!
gun laws dont stop criminals from having guns so i should be able to have one too
>>696543322
dubs of truth
>>696535985
don't tread on my rights and freedom to have firepower! guns for all!
>>696542970
>banning guns makes us safer
>19 people died in a knife attack in Japan today
OK libcuck. Don't stop believing.
>>696535985
yes but no high capacity assault weapons
>>696543322
Guns dont kill people, rappers do! Dont forget that
>>696542540
fuk u
>>696543438
"assault weapons"
implying weapons exist without the sole purpose of assault
>>696535985
No.
>bubut bad guys will have them?!
Go live you're delusional Hong Kong movie life elsewhere.
>>696543597
What is chicago?
>>696542970
While it's obviously true that having strict gun control directly results in lower gun crime, America has too much of a poverty stricken population for it to really work like that for them
Even if you were to implement first world policies there, crime would still be rampant no matter what, there's really nothing you can do this late in the game
ITT
>>696543429
>19 people stabbed in japan
>Worst mass killing in decades
>19 people shot in USA
>Average Tuesday morning
>>696543800
>>696543429
Of course, because of a rare example of violence happened, all of my argument is valid. How much of your obese swine of a family has died because a cuck lost his job and went on a rampage?
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shootings/2015
OP is a fag
>pic related
>>696543845
>>696543700
A city, bitch.
>>696544154
almost like there are 319 million people or something, weird
I believe that everyone but insane people and felons should own a gun. If everyone carried a gun i think that the crime rate would be almost non existent.
>>696535985
The way it's fucking going every citizen should be legally obliged to carry a gun at all times.
>>696544321
Or it gets completely out of control and everyone is killing everyone.
>>696544309
>America's firearm related death rate per 100,000 people:
>10.5
>Next highest first world country firearm related death rate per 100,000 people:
>3.2
>>696543845
>Murder rate in USA: 4/100000
>Murder rate in Japan: 1/100000
>Suicide rate in the USA: 10/100000
>Suicide rate in Japan: 19/100000
>Total:
>USA: 14/100000
>Japan: 20/100000
It's not worth it.
>>696544679
I would feel so much safer if every car crash could result in a shootout, wow anon you're a genius :^)
>>696535985
The police and military are also citizens... So is the government. What would we do with all the guns if citizens can't own them? Give them to robots?
>>696544866
And? There are a lot of niggers shooting each other. Let them.
>>696544866
You know deaths factor in suicides, police intervention, self defense, accidents, and every GUN related death.
Gun MURDER is lower than most people assume.
>>696544309
>>696545170
www.google.com can clear things up for you
>>696542970
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/
19 killed in knife attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Japan
Christ. READ A BOOK!
>>696545088
>>696544893
Sorry to tell you this but the workings of Japans career culture doesn't have anything to do with homicides, which is what the topic of this thread and the comment chain you replied to was
>>696537453
So you are claiming someone with a gun robbed you, and you had no gun on you, but still he didn't kill you.
Then in the second case in which two (unarmed?) folks beat you, you suddenly came to a conclusion they would've killed you if you did not intervene.
And in the second case you assume the same as well.
I don't quite understand why someone would want to kill you. What are you even like? People rob to get money. Not to kill, like why did the guy with the pistol didn't kill you. He was just a fingerpress away from that.
I think pro-gun people forget that if you are able to own a gun, some retarded lil fucker is also likely to get one (either via legal way or just rob some people when they're away from their home). And you cannot expect yourself to be the fucking sheriff in town and quickdraw some criminal and defend yourself in that way.
>>696542970
I think it's kinda bullshit. They just talk about 260 homocidal cases in which there was self-defence with a gun. I think self-defence in threatening other happens much more.
Anyway, I live in a country with a low weapon-ownership incidence and I'm quite happy of it. Then again, I don't live in a country where there's much threat from anything other than the usual burglary. Maybe there's a relationship between the latter and a higher incidence of weapons, I pretty much think so but It's hard to prove or dismiss.
>>696544959
>I would feel so much safer if every car crash could result in a shootout
I fail to see your point as every car crash could result in a shootout right now...
>>696535985
Fact:
the dems want to fully ban all guns
They use the guise of "sensible gun laws"
but what they really mean is full out gun ban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlhQafsx3o&feature=youtu.be
take it from a ex Dem delegate and a woman part of the Hillary campaign.
>>696542970
I love how people cherry-pick their statistics.Yes; after gun bans, rates of gun crime go down. Crime rates, however, remain unchanged, and often even rise.
Proving that, amazing as it may seem, it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people.
>>696545232
>tfw was there, saw it
>tfw
>fw
>w
>>696545439
>>696545110
>Brings up a point
>Proves point wrong
>Sweeps point under rug and brings up a different point
>>696545504
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>>696542970
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
HUUUUR DURRRRR!!!! WROOOOOOOOOOOONG!
>>696545301
Millenials.
Jesus fucking christ.
>>696545597
gross, what a nigger
>>696545129
Please show me how in the us people don't kill each other over trivial shit just because they own guns and have no quality education.>>696545110
>>696541329
>>696541329
Please, most gun owners? Get real. Maybe the ones you have met are, but unless you have some numbers on it I'm not going to take you seriously.
>>696545439
But you can't pretend to know their intent. If you want to gamble your life on the assumption they won't kill you intentionally or otherwise, go for it. I won't gamble with my life.
>>696545232
>Guy says that gun control is stricter in Japan and they have less violent crime because of it
>OH YEAH, WELL WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE PAGES ABOUT HOW JAPAN HAS HARDLY ANY CRIME WHEN COMPARED TO AMERICA?!
Great points my friend
>>696545504
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
I KNOW RIGHT!?!?!
>>696543330
good calf workout?
>>696545467
Yeah that's true. Stricter laws is just pseudo-speak because they don't want to alarm people or confront them about it.
>>696545290
So you're saying that gun bans come in absence of culture? Everything is intertwined, and looking at stats individually is a great way to completely miss the point.
A gun ban is a direct result of the same culture that causes those suicides. I'll remain free and happy, and die to crazies, thank you very much.
Infinitely better than living in a fish tank with no rights until the only acceptable choice is offing myself.
>>696545579
>is mad he got called out for citing irrelevant info
>>696535985
Yes, and bombs. Not nukes, but atomic bombs for sure.
>>696545505
As somebody who actually LIVED in Japan for a time I can tell you... gun crime does NOT tell the whole story of violent crime.
>>696538872
The point is they don't do these well.
Op's daily carry
>>696537657
HIGH
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would pay to see sansa and arya do it
>>696537697
Should be armed and be able do rob anyone who lower his guard you mean?
But yeah, lowering the arms in public hands is stupid, how will criminal defend themselves against their victims, may I ask.
>>696545245
>>696535985
No
- by The King Of Porn
>>696545799
I'm not even going to bother with the Truck attack in Nice France, another country with strict gun laws.
Or the fact that the united states gov published the best IED manual on the planet which is freely available on the internet "Improvised Munitions Manual" Which after the Oklahoma City Bombing and the Boston bombing to name only 2 you think we would be more concerned about as a nation but... nope. Guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM_31-210_Improvised_Munition_Handbook
>>696536119
>obvious
Yeah no
>>696541829
/THREAD
>>696535985
Citizens yes.
Civilians no.
>>696535985
Law abiding citizens? Hell yeah!
>>696547130
The truck attack in France had nothing to do with guns,
Not sure if it was your point here
>>696544154
Jokes on them, eventually we will be immune to bullets.
>>696547633
Response to earlier post about how banning guns reduced violent crime.
>>696537453
You fucking nigger. How do you get yourself in so many shitty situations like this?
>>696535985
Of course. People are easier to control that way, allowing me to do the right thing without them getting in the way and causing trouble in good places like the work environment.
>>696547770
>>696547633
Oh wait... except that the truck had a lot of weapons IN IT.
>>696542859
im not even a gunfag. but what is that 'Right' supposed to mean. rofl. Like you just don't believe someone likes shooting targets for fun. rofl what a presumptuous turd you are.
my will to survive says yes.
>>696539915
>amerifat
retarded foreigner alert, trump is destroying shillary in the polls because she's a scandalous cunt
>>696547838
Don't worry. I only responded long enough to SAFELY GUARANTEE IT WASNT JUST A SMALL CHILD IN NEED OF AN EDUCATION. ;P
>>696547093
>>696537083
tbh ur handguns and assault rifles will do fuck all to protect you from militarized police.
>>696547766
I would love to see a increase on fat density, to the point that it would be as bullet stopping as kevlar.
>>696535985
Not just allowed. Mandatory.
Nope. Because the typical person that wants a gun is fucking retarded.
>>696548581
>>696548156
the united states had a bunch of things including an air force and it still took them like 7 years to find and execute osama bin laden. fucking sandnigger with a couple AKs and a hard teenage edge. it depends is all i'm saying. how you use it. not that anon btw
>>696548581
>typical person is fucking retarded.
FTFY
>>696536880
>criminals will always have them
ye because they can just buy one off the street
>>696548793
Not a comparable situation
>>696535985
Idk I don't give a fuck.
>>696548942
How bout 'nam, where it wasn't just militarized police, but the entire military?
Or the arab spring uprisings?
if you live in a country where it's legal you have no excuse for not owning at least one firearm
>>696547959
Even in japan you can carry a weapon for hinting, but they actually keep track of yoir ammo and training so that you don't enter a restaurant guns blazing. Also, no repeated fire, only actual hunting weapons.
This topic is becoming more cancerous then the bannana
>>696536487
Human targets?
>>696549372
how bout I cant accidentally shoot myself If I dont own a gun.. how bout that? q
>>696548793
Wrong. We knew he was there for "over a decade" while waiting for confirmation before committing to the mission as every person on that mission was committing an act of murder in the nation of Pakistan.
That and Bush and Cheney had an ulterior motive in keeping contractors (Haliberton anyone?) busy as long as possible to inflate the value of their stock.
>>696548942
not if you plan on spending the entirety of the overthrow in your house in the middle of suburbia. you're not alone though. there are more retards like you in this world.
>>696549357
see this
>>696549152
>>696542731
>>696549357
Just saying that civilian having guns isn't going to stop state sponsored violence.
They have bigger guns.
no
>>696535985
>>696549570
if you accidentally shoot yourself it means you're retarded and were going to hurt yourself regardless
>>696549530
metal, paper, cans, etc. I don't shoot living things
>>696535985
yes, if freedom = death then so be it. that's the same argument everyone makes for everything that seems benign, and even liberals make for things that don't seem benign like the refugees.
>>696549570
it's also very easy to not accidentally shoot yourself if you do own a gun, just don't be fucking retarded.
>>696549595
you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded
>>696549647
That's a good point to bring up.
The best they could hope for is a high casualty insurgency that makes both sides look like shit over 15 years in. Oh... wait... fuck...
>>696537453
Minnesota here
25 years old
I have yet to have any of this shit happen to me. Where the fuck do you live the fucking South?
>>696549600
Please try again, this time using sentences.
>>696550043
try what, mother fucker?
Without guns we wouldnt have been able to depart from you fags. we would have been thrown into the shit stew europes in now.
>>696542540
Wow I was sure tricked
>>696535985
Yes, but the citizens should go through a class/course to get a license to own one as a responsibility. Family households and apartments should all have a defense firearm, unless a felon etc. Standard 9mm or .45 would do.
>An armed society is a polite society.
>>696549818
should citizens be allowed to own nuclear warheads?
freeeedooooom
Yes.
I also believe that firearm education skills be improved as well, that way people will have a better understanding of guns.
>>696549852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eunZL8LfGQI
>>696550399
Racist
>>696537453
I've been robbed twice. Once I had my gun. Once I did not. Guess which time the robber actually took something and guess which time I ran him off?
Guns take lives but they also save lives. Taking them away only robs good people of the chance to defend themselves.
>>696550209
Keep believing your US centric news.
Ya'll are at least as fucked up as the worst parts of Europe.
Only whites
Mericas average IQ is so low, there's no way they will ever learn to not have their guns.
I'm sure if the average was raised by at least 30-40, only then would they see the true nature of their weapons.
This topic can't be challenged, its like taking your mom's tit away from a crying baby. They have to man up and stop crying like a little bitch.
>>696550842
>>696550453
meh this one's better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh_pYXnj248
>>696550842
Euromiddleeasterner triggered.
>>696536880
So why not make murder legal I mean criminals will still do it do just make it legal
>>696551140
>>69655114O
>>696550593
Because we have a nation that is improving?
That is made up of immigrants from many other nations?
Immigrants who apparently decided not to move back?
Or is it because we didn't start two world wars?
Or that we are generations ahead in learning to integrate people from various walks of life to such an extent that a poor black girl can grow up to be a well off retired white male marine in this country?
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/opinion/2016/06/30/new-rules-transgender-troops/86555558/
Oh... it's because you have nothing better to do with your micro-dick, no girlfriend, lack of a fulfilling career or a living space not provided by the decedents of apes that unfortunately spawned you into this world.
>>696551140
Wat
>>696550842
Our IQ is so low because all the smart fuckers left your countries and came here where they had to take a test with english as a second language dipshit. If america sucks so bad... why isn't everybody leaving? Funny how all your hard working motivated people come here to get everything from an education to a better life.
>>696550842
>if the average was raised by at least 30-40
Guess which ethnicity that getting rid of would bring us close to this goal?
>hint: commit most gun/violent crime
>hint#2: like to pretend they matter
until that happens, every law abiding citizen needs to be able to protect themselves
>>696551140
.
>>696543897
We should ban people from losing their job then.
>>696535985
Cops are citizens. So yes, we all should be allowed, until you prove you should not have one.
>>696551327
>>696535985
yes, own all the guns you want but to get ammo you have to be declared legally sane by a psychologist
guns are easier to make than ammo, though both can be made at home with a little knowledge
>>696551918
>guns are easier to make than ammo
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I make ammo all the time. It's not hard - both black powder loads and modern smokeless powder loads.
>>696535985
You can't have automatic weapons unless you have some extreme permits but I mean gun control didn't work with that every single criminal ever caught has a fully auto right ? Gun control doesn't work
>>696552202
Stupid fucking phone.
Ammo is easier than guns. Guns you need powered machinery to make semi autos and the like, even single shot rifles you need powered machinery.
Ammo - components and an ammo press.
Yes.
>>696542540
second time this evening
>>696535985
>be honest: should citizens be allowed to own guns?
Not really a valid question for in the US, since our constitution helps describe a human being's innate freedom to defend themselves. Since you can personally attack a person with a gun, the citizen of the united states should be allowed to defend themselves with whatever means it takes to do that.
The Second Amendment genuinely just helps keep the government from "infringing" on those rights that are inalienable to every person of the world.
Some people have no constitution to protect them from government power and reach to make them miserable.
>>696552202
i do know what i'm talking about
3/4 inc conduit, rubber band, paperclip and a 12 aug shell
making your own ammo without buying anything takes time, i bet you buy shit when you make your own gun cotton
black powder the only thing i would have to buy is sulfur or suger.
>>696542540
Joke's on you, she's been dead for 10 years.
>>696552983
>black powder
>sugar
Way to nigger-rig the formula. Shit is dirtier than normal black powder and will gum your shit up.
>>696536119
Some countries have no protection of their citizens from their government. No way to keep the government from infringing upon their rights.
>>696552904
yup. Look at every other country in the world except for maybe western countries. europe and australia are ok
>>696542540
poo poo
pee pee
>>696553342
i know, and it doesn't have the power, but it will still work
>>696553561
Lol no they aren't.
There isn't a single government in the world, ever, who has put the benefit and welfare of its citizenry above its own goals.
Ever.
You give someone power, they will abuse it for their own ends.
