> I want to talk with a SJW
Let's start in an easy way:
If race is a social costruct, how come you talk about white privilege?
SJW here
answer to your question: "White people" is also a social construct, but one a lot of white people still believe in
>>696166091
Yeah, plenty of niggers think they are real people too.
Boring. If you're trying to shock or offend me, you'll have to try harder. Just posting "nigger" and saying a racist thing? That ain't shit. I can hear that from my senile grandma or read it on Stormfront.
But I'm guessing that's all you've got. Racists aren't exactly known for their cleverness or creative thinking.
>>696166091
OP here
Is melanin a social construct?
also, but we are getting deep here:
Why is a social costruct bad? Any kind of animal lives following social its natural social biases and patterns. Why should we fight against ours?
Race is an evolutionary construct.
>>696166971
The whole scientific world accepted the concept of race, although the races are very blend in todays world and we can only find "pure" spots. We, as humans, embetter our genetic profile cross-breeding, but...
Cross-breeding is a russian roulette, you can pop out a baby genius or an idiot. As a russian roulette, the possibilities are against you.
>>696166919
I'm bored at the moment and you seem like you actually want to have a discussion, so I'll indulge you.
No, melanin is not a social construct. But it also doesn't mean much, beyond "you're from a hotter and sunnier part of the world." Pretending it means more than that is a lie, one that's used to control people. I'm opposed to being controlled by other people's lies, and I imagine any decent human being would be.
The ideas and attitudes some have have aabout people with large amounts of melanin are irrational and biased. Irrational and biased opinions are bad for our long-term survival. Human beings survive by being able to work together. Racism makes it harder for us to work together. Ergo, racism is a social construct that is negative for humanity's long-term survival. That makes it a social construct that's bad. Bad social constructs are a threat to my survival and yours. So, why would you be OK with that? It's in everyone's best interests to fight against that.
There's a lot of complex stuff in the mix, but that's the basics.
>>696165955
Get your reasoning straight, man. Something that is a social construct can still privilege you. Money is a social construct e.g., and still, having lots of it privileges you. "Social construct" doesn't mean "not existing".
Look up the words you use next time. You're not edgy, you're just not particularly well educated...
>>696167491
Wow: well-argued, well-written, and correct. Is this still 4chan?
>>696167728
It's the 4chan we need.
sociology phd student here. i teach intro to soc discussion sections and we go over all of these concepts. let me try to answer your questions here.
>>696165955
social constructs are real in their coonsequences. people believe that different races behave differently, and people act on those beliefs in real life. this applies to any social construct. with the example you give, of race, during the colonial era christian explorers met non christians and debated whether non christians had souls and could be saved. out of this debate rose the idea that non christian peoples were actually biologically different from the 'human' species. herein lies the origin of the different racial categoories we have to live with today. over hundreds of years the superior power of european nations enabled the newly founded white race to act on these ideas and force what they saw as lesser humans / subhumans to slave away for whites material benefit. this process hasnt really stopped. white privilege as we know it today is todays culmination of this accumulation of power, access and advantage that has been divided along racial lines.
>>696166919
social constructs arent bad. language is a social construct. the meaning behind signs is always socially constructed.
social construct is a term that simply means that things are culturally defined.
when we say race is a social construct, we mean that the categories of black race, white race, asian race emerged as identifiers at a specific point in history. this point is usually defined as the beginning of the colonial era but its roots in terms of biological race goes back to the british takeover of ireland, and the development of the field of phrenology, which tried to link behavior to a persons facial structure (and failed)
>>696167491
>The ideas and attitudes some have have aabout people with large amounts of melanin are irrational and biased.
Is the heredity of intelligence a social construct? The variance in racial testosterone levels?
Why do you think all areas with large black populations are shitholes?
>>696166609
Who says we're not clever?
It's just that the niggers set the bar so low, we don't really need to rise very far...
>race is just a social construct
>>696167491
>racism is a social construct that is negative for humanity's long-term survival
This is arguable for a couple of reasons.
Firstly, preferential behavior towards individuals in group A increases the chances of survival for group A when/if group A and group B are competing for food, water, living space, etc.
Secondly, lack of competition isn't exactly a good thing. Even basic economics recognizes that competition raises the stadards on all sides. Whether it is the simple and straightforward instance of competition being the impetus for technological advancement or the more indirect process of the gene pool being strengthened by hardships eliminating the less capable members of the group from the reproductive cycle. Either way, the surviving group is stronger a century later than it would have been if no competition occurred.
>>696168203
there is more genetic variation amongst a single racial group than there are between racial groups. wrap your head around that and then ask me again if you think your first two questions are still a worthwhile.
to answer your second question, european colonialism seriously fucked shit up. 10 million killed in the congo. masses of slaves stolen. the economic implications of having entire generations stolen from the most prosperous and settled segments of africa cannot be understated.
it has continued through imf restructuring, world bank policies, the chinese. foreign direct investment in general. payment of warlords to secure the lowest price of rare earth minerals for foreign companies. plantation economies. oil. the list goes on. no one outside of africa gives a shit about africa. they never have.
>>696168203
The heredity of intelligence is not genetic or racial, it mostly has the do with the privilege that centuries of history has afforded, or restricted, certain groups or areas. Which is the same reasons poverty stricken areas and peoples tend to continue as such.
>>696168203
>Why do you think all areas with large black populations are shitholes?
I'll take "Centuries of European Conquest And Taxation" for $1000, Alex.
If race is a social construct how you explain skin colors nigga
>>696167491
>implies melanin is the only differentiating factor between the races
Races are very different. The extent to which social constructs, i.e. culture, have an effect on the brain and biology of a person is unclear. The Nature vs Nurture debate already virtually contains all the points of my argument but I will clarify anyway.
The brain is plastic, as in its structure can and is altered by our experience of life. If we imagine that certain social constructs, i.e. diets, sexual practices, environmental selective pressures, exist for an extended period of time, then we can also expect the biological reflections of certain social constructs to be present also. These biological differences will be unique depending on your place on the world, and what culture you are born into.
People who use the (very real) differences between different races and ethnic groups as a vehicle to disguise their hatred are just fucking idiots. No-one has the right to exist more than the other, but this doesn't mean there aren't any differences at all. Differences are what make the world so awesome!
The answers to these questions are painfully obvious and accessible. You just have to let go of the bullshit you were either raised with, or brainwashed with later, and look at the data objectively. We are all Africans.
>>696169112
Breeding choices based on the local definition of what is attractive.
Who dictates what is a construct and what isn't?
A group of people decided everything they hate is a construct.
>>696169242
No. Firstly, as expressed above, not all social constructs are bad. The term social construct is neutral. Some have positive benefits, some have negative.
>>696168743
i think your points are valid, but there is no necessity to divide groups A and B by race. hoow about the mega rich and the rest of everybody else who is getting fucked up the ass by corrupt government and shitty jobs?
>>696168462
kek did you come out of the 1880's because you are seriosuly fucking retarded if you think skull shape has any meaningful predictor of intelligence, behavior, etc.
there is more genetic variation within racial groups than between racial groups. consider that for a second.
behavior and culture are learned, always. except for basic things that make us all human, like knowing what smiling is, and being able to recognize an angry tone of voice.
>>696167491
I think you have mistaken Race with Racism.
Fact is, that people of different races are different. Different bones and physiology, medicine works differently, and we are different culturally.
Saying things a wrong is bad, saying things are different is not.
>>696168203
Oh hey, look at you, dipping your toes into my field of scientific study! Luck you, you're about to get a quick education in why what you posted is wrong.
So, first point: Heredity of intelligence is still an ongoing thing. I'm not 100% sure what you're referring to, but I'm guessing that you are suggesting that some races inherit intelligence more often than others? This has not been proven, and in fact research is halted because of how ethically difficult that line of research would be. Here's a good article on the subject:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151211-genetics-intelligence-racism-science/
Second point: There is no major difference in testosterone levels between races. There are some differences in hormone levels across races, but not that one in particular. Here's a quick summary:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570
Third point: Areas with large black populations tend to be poorer because white people don't like black people and move away from them. That reduces economic opportunities, which reduces the overall standard of living and increases crime. This is a known thing, backed by decades of research -- they even gave it a name, "white flight." Similar patterns repeat themselves in major cities around the world: When a city starts getting more of a hated minority, the ethnic majority start moving out. That creates a domino effect that leads to poverty and high crime. Poverty and high crime in these areas makes outsiders associate the areas with the minority, which means they blame them for the situation - instead of seeing them as victims of the situation. This isn't my field so I have no links handy, but it's well-documented. So, to sum up: Areas with large black populations are (often, but not always) shitholes, because of people like you, poster # >>696168203
>>696167491
I'm not talking ad hominem, but have you ever read a science book? Your claims enforce the division between races, and no, races aren't a social costruct.
If something's proven by science it exists, no matter if you believe it could be "bad", which is a pretty empty term, we don't have to deal with the post-1945 issues. I oversimplified the discussion (>>696167567) and English isn't my first language, but I said it was "easily debating".
>>696168070
I'm not a phrenologist, neither a Lombroso's newcomer, but do we really have to pay for our ancestors? Also, as I pointed out previously, biologic races exist and the differences are reality. We couldn't put them away because of "racism", have you ever saw a running kenyan, or a japanese dealing with Math? Those are just examples. The society builds those charateristics along with their genetics.
E.g, The sino-japanese numbering is far more "easy" to compute, this is solely due to a social construct but "hey, they do".
Society shapes us and we CAN consider different societies better than others, if we consider them thematically.
>>696167491
Turning back to you: "racism is a social construct that is negative for humanity's long-term survival" doesn't make sense at all. We aren't living an hunt against the blacks or latinos. This claim is as senseless as saying we live in a "rape culture".
> "No, melanin is not a social construct. But it also doesn't mean much, beyond "you're from a hotter and sunnier part of the world." Pretending it means more than that is a lie, one that's used to control people. I'm opposed to being controlled by other people's lies, and I imagine any decent human being would be."
I laughed at it. Really, do you believe in the NWO too?
>>696168462
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/capoids-pymgies-negroids-and-australoids-are-separate-major-groupings/
>>696169178
>No-one has the right to exist more than the other
Who says?... what determines that right?
>>696169377
A social construct IS a social construct...how do you know its valid and something to measure another thing by with any accuracy?
>>696165955
Anon, SJW isn't a term that describes a specific set of views. It's an overused insult, you asking this question is about as representative as trying to uncover the views of an asshole.
>>696169212
so then skin color, and therefore race, is not a social construct
>>696165955
When someone says race is a social construct what they mean is that taxonomically speaking physical appearance is generally worthless for grouping people. My nephew is a super aryan kid who is half jewish. His DNA should resemble what Arabs have more than what a Swede who wasn't Jewish should have.
White privelidge is the benefits one gets from people choosing to accord benefits based on physical appearance.
It's not a hard concept to follow.
>>696165955
Privalge is mainly generational and has little to do with race. Of course it his highly correlated with black people, they used to be slaves.
Just like how white tenant farmers and indentured servants are still white trash today.
Identity politics marginalize the working class, that is why the SJWs are wrong, that is why the anti SJW reaction you are having is wrong.
Focus on the real issues and stop propagating this cancerous rhetoric.
The only social issue worth my time is environmentalism.
>>696168815
>there is more genetic variation amongst a single racial group than there are between racial groups
An often repeated truthism, but completely false.
And Asia and the Americas suffered under European colonialism for several centuries longer than Africa, but they're not as much of a shithole as Africa.
Moreover, you should ask yourself how it was possible for Europe to completely colonize an entire continent within the span of a couple of decades. Could it have been because we were several thousands of years more advanced than them?
>>696166340
underrated
>>696169418
>That reduces economic opportunities, which reduces the overall standard of living and increases crime
Why does whites moving away reduce economic opportunities? Why can't blacks increase economic opportunities in their stead?
>>696169404
There are no appreciable difference between different races' bones. The only difference I'm aware of is in average bone density -- people with large amounts of African ancestry have higher average density than others.
I'm not sure what you mean by "medicine works differently" -- different genetic backgrounds make people more susceptible to certain diseases, this is a known thing, but I've never heard of a person not being prescribed medication because of their race.
No clue what you mean by "we age different culturally." That's not even an idea, just four words you slapped together, near as I can tell.
>>696165955
Not SJW but /sci/ here.
Social construct just means that it is a social concept that is dealt with in the social sciences (in /sci/ we consider all social sciences to be pseudoscience). White privilege is also a concept of social science.
What has happened is that there have been a number of breakthoughs in genetics that have made it clear that traditional notions of race and old "racial science" (i.e. pre-genetics mumbo jumbo based a crappy classification system built on physical traits) are garbage.
As a result scientists developed the field of population genetics. In population genetics one looks at arbitrarily defined groups of people (called populations) and measures the genetic distance between them. In this sense one can consider different villages as populations, different tribes as populations, different regions as populations, different cities as populations, etc... It is a general concept that allows us to rigorously study genetics.
No, population genetics is not just SJW doublespeak for "racial science". There is no traditional notion of races in population genetics. When one makes an assertion about how two different populations compare they are talking about specific populations and not "all people who have white skin" or any such garbage.
Anyway, since the notion of race was discarded by the hard sciences the social sciences felt it necessary to salvage it because they feel it is important to their social theories. As such instead of having race no longer exist anymore we have race being salvaged as a social construct and studied in social science.
Now post sauce on the girl as a thank you for spoonfeeding you shit you should already know.
>>696169646
Replace "a social construct" with 2+2=4. Nonsensical question.
>>696169442
>do we really have to pay for our ancestors?
well, someone is paying.
the lines arent so clear anymore. they are harder to see and it is not as black and white as privileged and non privileged.
that being said, there is a certain degree of statistical advantage that comes with white skin. this is a product of the past.
this is a great example: housing. after ww2 the federal govt and private lending companies came together to give GIs decent housing. these were given to whites and racial housing districts were drawn. this was still during the time of segregation. good housing was given to whites. bad housing was given to blacks.
go further down the road, and the kids of those families in the good neighborhoods go to good schools because schools get their funding from taxes in their districts. blacks go to bad schools because bad neighborhoods = bad schools.
when you go to finance for a car, or go to finance for a loan, like a student loan, you can put your house as collateral. you cant do that if you rent in an apartment. fast forward, and whites have statistically had better access to school and credit than their black counterparts, yes even today, as a result of a racial segregation policy enacted over 50 years ago.
nobody in this generation earned it. they didnt fight in world war two, they didnt buy the house back then. but it started a chain of events that gave whites benefits that blacks didnt have access to. because of racism. that is why we call it a privilege. it is something that is not earned by the current generation, it is somethat that is handed to them from the past.
statistically. poor whites are a different story.
>>696169989
Forensic pathologists can easily identify racial identity from just a skeleton. No appreciable differences my ass.
>>696169795
Except, during Europes dark ages, the Muslim world was lightyears ahead of us in society and science. And what about when the Romans, or the Persians conquered Europe? Sometimes things just work out the way they do. Europeans got lucky.
>>696169989
1. blacks are tall, asians are not (not always but it's the socially accepted norm.
2. maybe I watch too much tv, but shows like that usually check that sort of stuff.
3. er, ok then. go live with a family of a different race and tell us all how easily you adjust...
>>696170059
>in sci we consider all social sciences to be pseudoscience
And that is why you are retarded, all you retards do is talk about majors and your IQs.
>an actual publishing scientist.
>>696169394
>there is no necessity to divide groups A and B by race
This is true. I am in no way, shape, or form in favor of racism, but the cause for that stance stems from my belief in the rights of every individual not from the concept that racism is inherently harmful to the group. To say that the white "race" has not benefitted from european empires seizing large territories of Africa is simply historically inaccurate.
As for the rich/poor concept, that's a far more vague and abstract line with which to divide the populous. Also history has shown that class warfare doesn't really work out for the lower class. The higher-ups in the revolution just become the new aristocracy and not much changes for the proletariat (ask Russia).
And again, competition is not an inherently bad thing. While my situation is not equitable with the situation of one born into the 1%, my standard of living is where it is specifically because of the wars for territory and ideology that the 1% caused. My microwave is a byproduct of accelerated development of military radio technology. My computer is a byproduct of the race to build the atomic bomb. Regardless of whether you agree with Hitler's platform (which would be largely based on whether or not you fell into the right "race" category) you cannot deny that his actions led to the greatest period of technological advancement in human history.
>>696169987
Have you never heard of racism? Or do you somehow believe that black people are magic and can just wish jobs into existence?
I'm sure some black people in poor, depressed areas manage to find opportunities, but you believe that all of them are supposed to do that? When the white people who run the companies they worked at (and who generally dislike black people) have moved them away? And they can't always get capital to start their own businesses, because white folks who don't like black folks have most of it?
It's not a complex idea, man. I don't see how this is even a discussion you needed to have. How do you not see these things? If you're trolling, good job. If you aren't, then damn -- you've somehow managed to not learn how the real world works. Good job, I guess?
>>696169989
>different genetic backgrounds
No, that's just a social construct.
>>696170276
I know a forensic pathologist and she's never said this. Do you have some kind of proof?
>>696170335
>Except, during Europes dark ages, the Muslim world was lightyears ahead of us in society and science.
muh pop culture history
Read a book sometimes.
And what does the Muslim world have to do with Europes colonization of Africa, other than the fact that they colonized bits of it before we did?
>>696170445
>Or do you somehow believe that black people are magic and can just wish jobs into existence?
Juat as much as white people can.
>>696170059
the social sciences study race because the numbers dont lie. we see stable trends across the US that indicate that people are being treated differently because of race by society at large.
blacks are more likely to end up in prison. whites are more likely to graduate college. Why? those are the kinds of questions that the social sciences try to answer in relatioon to race. to think that these are not useful questions is to be a fucking retarded asshat.
>>696169212
Are you stupid or what? Breeding choices? If black/white doesn't exist, how could you choose?
>>696169394
Mega-rich aren't necessarily WHITE. Many of them are from Saudi Arabia. Blame who you have to blame, don't blame who they point out.
>>696169178
If real, this would kick the butt of the "no differences hypotesis"
>>696169404
Thank you Xena, I'm on your boat.
>>696169418
This isn't entirely true. The only REAL publication you posted is the second one. The others are opinions and a un-scientific shitty magazine (Nat-Geo).
>>696169775
Must we live as black? I can rap.
>>696170059
As historian and lover of the cutest biotech ever, I must say that science view is still dealing with 1800/1900 science. There are genetic patterns in people and if you follow them backwards you arrive to the 6 races pattern "de-scientificized" in 1944/5 because the world COULDN'T deal with science.
The notion of race was discarded. But as Lavoisier said: "nothing is created nothing is destroyed everything is transformed" and "We must trust to nothing but facts: These are presented to us by Nature, and cannot deceive. We ought, in every instance, to submit our reasoning to the test of experiment, and never to search for truth but by the natural road of experiment and observation". Stop lurking /sci/ and start going around Universities and labs. Race is still a thing, in science.
>>696170351
hahaha, holy shit -- you're using height and what you see on TV as a counter-argument. OK, I'm done speaking with you, as you clearly have no argument worth discussing.
And I did live with a family of a different race - I had a host family in Japan, and I stayed with ex-gf's relatives in Indonesia. It took some adjusting, but you know what? We got along fine. Same with my friend who adopted a child from Guatemala - the kid needed an adjustment period but after that, he's doing alright.
If you didn't think that could happen, or didn't know that it does fairly often, I don't know what to tell you. Sorry you don't get out much.
>>696170539
http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/autopsy/human-remains-examination
>Race: It can be determined by skull and face measurements, teeth and the relative lengths of the upper and lower limbs.
>>696170059
>MFW STEM fags don't understand the difference between "instrumental logic" and "objective logic."
>MFW STEM fags think their methodologies are beacons of objective processes of thought, because they haven't undertaken the labor to understand this critical distinction.
>MFW positivism and the rigidly institutionalized logic its ironically subjective reasoning has been one of the prime contributors to the emergence of increasingly totalitarian modes of thought.
>MFW STEM fags will never understand any of this, because they belligerently refuse to enact the labor to read even a single book of philosophy.
>>696170743
>blacks are more likely to end up in prison. whites are more likely to graduate college. Why?
Because blacks are more likely to commit crimes and whites have higher average IQ.
>>696169672
Uh...no.
You just completely failed to grasp the point.
People in a given area tend to look similar because the SOCIAL CONSTRUCT of beauty affects their choice of a mate.
Really it's just a more subtle version of gang colors. People in our group wear white, people in their group wear black. You want to choose a mate that will buy the correct color of clothing for your child so that your child will be seen by others as part of the group.
Also I just have to say that
>skin color, and therefore race
was a profoundly ignorant thing to say.
>>696170368
Face it anon. Social science fields are constantly full of controversy over people no one reproducing experiments, people fitting the evidence to their hypothesis, and in some cases going so far as to falsify studies/results altogether,
Any rational person has an obligation to be aware of how hard it is to be rigorous with social science and allow that to inform their level of skepticism of it. The last thing we need is social scientists giving a bad name to science as a whole due to their shoddy practices.
>>696170743
Still doesn't mean it's any more scientific than gathering statistics on what high school clique an individual identified as (jock, nerd, stoner, etc..)
>>696166091
I would love to know the real story behind that gif. Seen it a thousand times, but never heard for real what is going on.
Is he her husband, and doesn't want people on TV looking at his wife?
Is he just crazy and wants to be on TV?
Is his favorite divegrass team losing?
What's his deal? For real.
>>696170335
Fun fact: from around 800AD to about 1268AD, Baghdad was basically the center of the world. All science and advanced learning came out of the Muslim world, until about times of the Mongol conquests. Many Europeans were taken as slaves by the Muslims and were well-educated by them, and would bring back new learning to the Europeans. None of this ever gets mentioned in school history books, of courses. Can't admit that white folks weren't always the "superior race," can we?
>>696169795
Theres a book about this question, guns germs and steel. The gist of it is that europeans had a more "advanced" society due to various geographic features of africa as a continent as well as the americas. And china was ahead of europe in terms of technology and intellect for thousands of years, europe only overcame it in the 1400s, when china adopted a more isolationist policy and didnt participate as much in the world economy.
>>696171052
Do you believe everything you read on the Internet, or just the dumb stuff?
Read a book.
>>696171134
AP world student here, hes right, youre just retarded
>>696165955
God she is bretty. I want to touch her boobs.
>>696171097
>guns germs and steel
Based completely on conjecture, with no historical or scientific backing whatsoever.
>>696167491
A study showed that White europeans got used to drinking Milk over time and became resistant against lactose. Black and Yellow People apparently aren't as resistant as Whites, especially Asians don't seem to be able to handle lactose. Also White People have smaller lips because they addapted to living in cold areas so their lips wouldnt freeze as fast. These are Just some differences between the races, i am sure there are way more differences but people Just don't speak about it.
^ tl;dr
>>696168255
Animals.
>>696170929
you are only scratching the surface and arriving at easy answers that fit into the racial stereotypes that have been handed too you from your forefathers :)
blacks use less marijuana than whites, yet are incarcerated for small possession of marijuana at a much higher rate than whites. why?
why do whites have a higher iq? could it be that the brain is a muscle that you have to train, and white neighborhoods have better schools because they have more money, on average, than black schools? you did know that neighborhoods have to fund their own schools, right?
oh, but there are plenty oof good jobs in the ghetto, that the municipality could tax to fund their schools right? ;)
>>696171134
He is right
>>696167567
>I'm not talking ad hominem, but have you ever read a science book?
>the literal definition of ad hominem
>>696170762
>"de-scientificized" in 1944/5 because the world COULDN'T deal with science.
This was much more recent. Also, all of the old "wisdom" about racial groups was BTFO with the discovery of convergent evolution.
In pic related the fish on the left are all distantly related (genetically) to the fish on the right and vice versa. However the fish on the left are all closely related and the fish on the right are closely related.
If you asked a 1950s racial scientist to figure out races for fish they would surely classify them as three different races and assume that their genetics follow from their physical features.
On the other hand what we actually have are the obvious (if you think about it), that different sets of genes/mutations produce similar physical features and that closely related things can express fairly different physical features.
>>696170059
As a fucking biologist here, you better stick to your field. the difference between a black man and a white man is enough to call them a different subspecies, Even seen different giraffe subspecies ? Well their are nine of them and you need to look at the their markings to tell the difference. Yet a total different skin color, a slight difference in bone structure, brain mass, brain structure, dna (blacks don't have Neanderthal dna) is not enough to call them a different subspecies? Why is it that political correctness is based on stupidity and morals rather than on facts?
Angelika B Met-Art
>>696170843
>http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/autopsy/human-remains-examination
Thanks for the link. The person I know who works in the field disagrees, though. I texted her about what you said, and she said that at best, there are slight differences between skeletons of different races and pathologists infer the most likely race, based on those slight differences. Slight differences do not make a big difference, in my opinion (or in hers). She also sent me this article, which discusses the difficulties of this kind of thing: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/01/alas_poor_yorick_or_is_it_othello.html
Always possible you're right, of course -- but I'll trust the opinion of someone actually working in the field, over a line fro the summary of textbook, any day.
>>696171218
You realize that "the Dark Ages" is a misnomer, and no serious historian uses that term anymore, right?
I'm not saying the Muslim world wasn't advanced, but there was sufficient transfer of knowledge between Europe and the Near East at the time that neither was significantly more advanced than the other. Muslims built on what the Romans left behind, and so did the Europeans.
>>696171332
Well they're not vegetables or minerals, that's for sure.
Humans are apes (all 7.5 billion of us).
>>696171003
It's a mess, but the scientific method can still be applied to social studies.
>>696171401
>A biologist.
Being a freshman biology student doesn't make you a biologist.
>>696171097
environmental determinism
>>696171232
truth
>>696171369
seconded
>>696171097
the romans came and fucked up the pagans in europe. i blame the church for creating a european mindset of hating anything non-christian and getting in the habit of killit it with fire. it had to do so in order to continue to consolidate its power. this expanded too the rest of the world through the first spanish and portuguese explorations. fucking christ hell
>>696171275
No, people do speak about it, which is how we learn about these differences in the first place. The difference is, people don't use these minor differences between different genetic backgrounds to extrapolate ideas of "superiority" or "inferiority" across an entire population. Because that just isn't true, scientifically, and most educated people know it. I guess you didn't know that was the difference? Maybe now you do.
>>696171345
>blacks use less marijuana than whites, yet are incarcerated for small possession of marijuana at a much higher rate than whites. why?
Generally because of additional charges (illegal possession of a firearm, resisting arrrst etc.).
Also the brain is not a muscle, and IQ tests don't test knowledge. They test things like basic pattern recognition.
>>696171457
He said it like a dumbass but the gist of it is while europe suffered through feudalism, the muslim world flourished culturally and intellectually. But you are right about building on what romans had already done
>>696170831
so, you're saying you had to adjust? So that means it was noticeably different? I like how you missed my point entirely btw.
Being different is ok, Being a dick isn't.
>>696170368
You have to realize that your "pseudo sciences" have been in the game for too little time to be taken seriously
>>696170843
Oh snap! Just got told...
>>696171401
I didn't know there were different types of giraffes...
>>696170946
So you're now saying skin color doesn't define race. Therefore black people aren't real. Cool.
>>696171401
>a fucking biologist
And what do you study exactly?
all the biologist I know(myself included) can into genome sequencing and even using the old paradigm there is no scientific basis for human subspecies.
>>696168938
That has not been proven. In fact it is more probable that race (heredity) is a real causal factor in the lower IQ of blacks as compared to other races.
The Flynn effect, which is thought to explain the impact of nutrition, education, and similar "privileges" is not enough to explain the gap. The IQ (g) gap is huge. US whites outscore US blacks by 15 points, and African blacks by 30 points.
Perhaps related, sub-Saharan Africans have never in their history developed a complex and advanced civilization. Every other major race has. Africans have used slaves for thousands of years. All of this predates white involvement.
>>696168255
>who says we're not clever?
>claims that he's dumbed himself down, because he doesn't have to be smart to black people
why don't you try making sense to white people too, because the majority of them don't understand racism either
>>696168975
So why are other races taxed and conquered by Europeans doing pretty well for themselves?
>>696171003
you havent made it out of undergrad yet have you
just wait till you get into the professional world of hard sciences. haha. if you think that problem is in the social sciences alone, you are kidding yourself.
>Still doesn't mean it's any more scientific than gathering statistics on what high school clique an individual identified as (jock, nerd, stoner, etc..)
youre talking about demography here. like counting sheep. gtfo u dont know what youre talking about.
>>696171795
Obviously black people arent real
We all white on the inside
Race is most definitely a social construct, were all brown where it matters
Our anuses
>>696171795
There are very, very light-skinned black people in the world. If skin color really mattered, light-skinned white people would be considered white, would they not?
>>696171506
Just because it can be applied does not mean that it currently is applied.
I think it is fairly clear that one should treat a physics paper involving a result measured at a 5 sigma confidence level very differently from any paper in social science where not only is the confidence level much worse but it's likely the experiment has never been reproduced and the data may have been chosen to fit the result (if the original experiment even happened in the first place).
Here is a good read about a researcher who falsified research for years before he was caught by some grad students.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/magazine/diederik-stapels-audacious-academic-fraud.html
>>696170213
The WW2 "we must pay and cry like children for our mistakes even if we did nothing against a population" caused Israel vs Palestine.
You are also thinking in a US perspective. We, the world, since I don't live in the USA, work in a different way.
Also, statistics are what matters. Those are opinions, can you prove it? Where are the publications? Show me the facts and I'll believe you.
>>696170946
Yeah, genetics isn't a thing, you just mate with something you like and you child pops out of your vagina with the color you like the most. I had a blue child yesterday.
>>696171345
This proves what I (as OP) was saying. Race isn't a problem, money are. Race is an interlocutory matter,
>>696171399
Different sets of genes + different sets of genes COULD produce similar physical features and closely related sets could produce fairly different physical features. Yes, and knowing a little bit of genetics it seems obvious since most of the physical/mental features are a matter of additions of sets.
By the way I'm glad you adming that race EXISTS and we just have to change our view of the race as just phenotypic. On the other hand it's not just genotypic, we have to consider both today.
My GF, working in the field, has been attacked by SJW just for saying that race exists. She's now working on pancreatic cancer, because it's "safer".
>>696171882
who
how many former colonies have the same average living standards as western nations?
>>696171795
>you're now saying skin color doesn't define race
Fun fact:
There are black muslims, there are albino africans, there are dark-skinned native americans who are darker than light-skinned native africans.
You are completely ignorant and are looking at the highly complex concept of race from only the most laughably oversimplified and inaccurate quantifier.
>>696171984
LOL at my own mistype -- I meant to say: If skin color really mattered, light-skinned black people would be considered white, right?
But they aren't. Because is a social thing, not an actual biological or medical thing. It's a made-up thing people did to make it easier to classify a large group of people in a way that the dominant group would find easy. It's silly to take that seriously.
>>696169775
>White Privelege
Have any of you been to Appalachia?
Go tell the hill people living in utter poverty about their "privelege".
I'm sure they'll understand.
All this seems to tell me is that living in a homogeneous culture is the best benefit to me as I don't need to move house to be away from inferior beings, and the levels of social trust within that country will be higher than one in a multicultural country.
>>696171886
It does happen in the hard sciences, but anywhere that it matters people reproduce experiments (even if they don't publish their data because nothing new was discovered, though the guys at figshare are trying to fix that).
On the other hand in the social sciences people just get pop-sci articles published about results and call it a day.
At any rate it's clear that there's more room for this sort of fuckery in the social sciences.
>>696171682
i am talking about only marijuana charges. no additional charges. these studies have been reproduced over and over again. same charges, different race. your race predicts your likelihood of ending up in prison, with a longer sentence, or on death row. why?
iq tests are standardized. if you have a minority population that is undereducated you should expect them to do poorer on a test that was designed for the whole population. they are a flawed means of comparison to begin with.
also, brain is a muscle. if you work it hard to concentrate to find the right answers on dumb fucking tests when you need to year after year, youre gooing to have a better time than someone who has been distracted all throguh school because their classroom has 40 kids and a teacher that isnt worth shit.
>>696169418
>Heredity of intelligence is still an ongoing thing.
False. Heredity is confirmed as the highest correlating factor for intelligence.
> I'm not 100% sure what you're referring to, but I'm guessing that you are suggesting that some races inherit intelligence more often than others? This has not been proven, and in fact research is halted because of how ethically difficult that line of research would be.
The issue is that the evidence continues to converge to proof that blacks are less intelligent. Naturally this is an outcome that many don't want to face, and which could have social consequences once science sides with "racists".
>>696172078
>race EXISTS
>implying
That is a bold claim. Please explain how you satisfy it (how you define your groups and what sort of data you use).
>>696165955
Everything in this thread is going to be a bunch of circular blah blah blah blah.
The reason why the straight white male is to blame for everything in SJW politics is this;
when it all started, a bunch of no personality upper middle class white female academics who had never worked a real job in their lives figured out that if they create the right bogeyman, they can get a bunch of power, money, and social approval without doing much work for it.
So, they went to black people and they told them that all white people owed them something. And when they said that, what they meant was "all white people but them", they'd just pass their portion of the bill on to their fathers. Just like they always did.
Their plan by and large worked. They turned what was becoming a class struggle into one of identity where THEY wouldn't have to give anything up, and daddy would have to keep paying their way in life, by appealing to ego and erecting the straight white male, regardless of economic class, as the popular bogeyman to say "fuck you, gimme" to.
>>696171669
Science can provide no answers on value judgments (e.g good, bad, superior, inferior) but it has proved racial differences are real. If you believe your differences are superior, it's not unscientific - it's an issue science is not meant to comment on. That's an issue of philosophy/religion.
Unless you are a social Darwin is in which case white people are superior precisely because they managed to attain power
>>696172049
Social sciences are science because the scientific method is used. If the results aren't accurate that was determined via the scientific method.
>>696172369
>10%
>higher correlating factor than social class
kek
>>696172205
But they are all niggers...
>>696172205
Do you know why those skin colors are slightly different? Because they're mix-raced you fucking inbred.
>>696172298
>i am talking about only marijuana charges.
You sure? First offence too? Did you take three strikes laws into account?
> these studies have been reproduced over and over again.
Show me.
>>696169782
Extremely underrated
>>696172577
use google
"does race predict different rates of incarceration for the same crime in the US"
im sure youll find soomething.
>>696172500
>Social sciences are science because the scientific method is used.
What do you think the scientific method is?
>>696172750
>use google
It's not my job to produce evidence for YOUR claims.
>>696171964
Here in Europe our anus' white, we have the bidet.
>>696171684
^This. Also read Arno Peters if you are into history, it opens your mind. And Hegel before that, anyone should read Hegel or about him.
>>696172398
Genetics and biotech are the field, I and my GF define the groups in a pragmatic way due to their genotype and phenotype, we are also considering a cross-cultural research: genetics, biotech and history to analyze the developement of races, pros and cons of the different races and so forth and so on. We do it respecting the academical scientific standards.
If you read the whole thread you'll notice that my BOLD CLAIM is fully supported by all the scientists in the thread but according to them it's better to hide some science under the carpet if it's "bad".
>>696172078
>you child pops out of your vagina with the color you like the most.
lrn2readingcomprehension
oh, wait...
>racist
>reading comprehension
Let me dispense with the metaphor, then, since it clearly confused you.
Your child pops out with a color within a certain range of that of yourself, your partner, and your/his grandparents according to genetics. But this is not an absolute value. If the culture holds dark skin as more attractive than light skin, over generations the group will gradually become darker and darker because the darker children will have an easier time getting laid. The concept of "what my people look like" causes geographic regions to have similar genetic features because their culture teaches them to prefer those features in a mate.
>>696169782
>Identity politics marginalize the working class, that is why the SJWs are wrong, that is why the anti SJW reaction you are having is wrong.
you just put something that has been in the back of my mind into words for me. thanks.
what kind of environmentalism do you value most?
>>696172766
A Social Sciences degree can easily be obtained by merely blaming 'the government' for 'not investing enough in X, Y, & Z', whenever some social problem is presented for their consideration.
>>696172766
>Google scientific method
That, I don't need to explain a clearly defined concept to you
>>696166919
race is not a social construct. the word you're looking for is ethnicity.
>>696173006
and i replied to the wrong poster
social constructs exist
>>696172553
>Bantou, Himba, and Masai look different because mixed race.
You have absolutely no clue how stupid that statement makes you look.
>>696172997
I know what it is, I'm wondering if you do if you think social sciences use it.
>>696169418
By the logic of others in this thread, white flight should not only create less competition, meaning that minorities have more chance to create/have a job, but also allow minorities to vote for those in power to fix their situation. So what happens after sixty years of this system? >pic related
LETS BLAME WHITE PEOPLE FOR GIVING US WHAT WE ASKED FOR!
>>696172847
i dont get paid to teach you
i already told you but you wont believe me
you want to know, go learn the truth yourself
>>696172975
you would get laughed at in my department with that kind of talk
>>696172298
It couldn't have anything to do with whether they disrespect the judge or refuse to take a plea bargain on an unwinnable case could it?
Have you ever seen black people in court? Niggers be yelling at the judge and shit so he done threw the book at them.
Src- lawyer, watched a lot of blacks go ape in the middle of court. White defendants stay polite, even when they lose, not all the time but -way- more often than bkacks. Protip- the whites that lose their cool also get the book thrown at them.
>>696173006
You've got that backward, Vincent.
>>696173131
Detroit is globalization, not white flight
>>696171808
Even just looking at the bones you can see if it was a black or white person, there is DNA difference and it is big enough/ otherwise you can just scrap a few million subspecies while your at it. Whites have neanderthaler dna in them blacks don't, even that fact alone is enough to classify them as a different subspecies.
Also, no i have never sequenced human dna, it is outside my field of studie by a long shot.
>>696172500
Is it though?
This is worth reading.
http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm
tl;dr: It's a speech Feynman gave. It talks about scientific integrity. The talk details a group of students doing mouse in a maze experiments. As it turned out the majority of their time working on the experiment ended up being used on just trying to figure out what sorts of things they had to control for (the list of things is huge and many things that one wouldn't normally think of), As such their research at the end doesn't just detail the results of their experiment but gives a lot of information about what sorts of controls are necessary so that one can even conduct experiments in the first place.
This is in my opinion the problem with social science. Running controlled reproducible experiments is at times very hard in the hard sciences and it's pretty much impossible in the social sciences. One should be very surprised if anyone figured out a way to actually do it successfully but until then it should all be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.
>>696172945
>what kind of environmentalism do you value most
Establishing a healthy, sustianible relationship between humans and the natural systems that support us is the most important thing, then preserving or natural heritage.
But it all goes hand in hand, really.
>>696173136
And I don't get paid to prove your point for you.
>>696173136
I am merely repeating what a 'Social Sciences' teacher told his class, in order that they could pass the exams.
No doubt all the people in your 'Understanding the vegan negroes' perspective on post-feminist Guatamala' class will piss themselves laughing at me, well, good for them.
>>696173148
well, that's tremendously corrupt
>>696170946
Ah, no. Breeding and mate selection is historically more based on factors of survival than beauty. Traits of beauty that are independent of survival has been a factor only recently thanks to the luxuries that advanced civilizations created. Unfortunately those luxuries are now causing us to devolve.
>>696173316
>talking points garbage
yeah but how fool
>>696173387
wat
>>696173230
every other top google search result says the same thing.
>>696173316
Then you need to kill of half of the human population at least. We are with to many, even the oxygen levels are slowly dropping. If this trend continues, humanity will fuck itself within 100 years
>>696172942
> The concept of "what my people look like" causes geographic regions to have similar genetic features because their culture teaches them to prefer those features in a mate.
That's not true. The humans have actually a psychological sex reflex which helps them to find attractive females from different cultures as possible mates because we have the tendency to blend races and evolve. Race blending is evolutionary, beauty "values" varies from year to year. Some years blacks are thing, some years asians are, some years is for white, and then latinos. This is set by the society/enviroment.
>>696173354
seems we are at a standstill
>>696173383
was that an intro class?
>>696172704
One of the first things a machine learning student learns is that clustering algorithms are not convergent. This is such an obvious statement that one does not require any background in convex analysis to see why.
So why then do social science folk believe it can be used to define the existence of racial groups? We are given one of two choices, either people in the social sciences are retarded or they are willfully misleading the less educated in order to foster support for their shoddy research.
I'll let you tell me which one.
>>696172847
It's your job to educate yourself, idiot!
>>696172553
Mixed race is vastly better than inbred.
And I know which one you are.
We can all tell.
>>696173702
I don't know, but the gentleman who reported this to me did as the teacher suggested, and now has his degree. He has since had no employment with any responsibility higher than a barroom assistant.
>>696173857
I already have, that's why I know he's wrong.
>>696173136
Fact is, your ideas on race and ethnicity are opinions. Stop telling people it's "the truth" because your "truth" changes every 10 years, and not necessarily as an evolution.
You guys sure get worked up over artistic posts of fiction and falsehood
>>696173412
You mean, how do we establish a healthy relationship between human and the natural systems that support us?
Well I would say advocating awareness is where it starts. I would say what is really needed for that is a strong grassroots movement, backed by science and has mainstream political support.
The problem is the environmentalist movment has become disenfranchised from mainstream politics and environmentalism due to cancerous man v nature rhetoric. So we need to present environmentalism as a human issue, focus on land(and sea) and argicultural reform, clean energy and sustainable development.
If you want details on what those things would entail, I might be able to summarize before work.
>>696172912
So you're basically only studying the social science version of race but trying to legitimize it by convoluting it with other fields. It's clearly bad science but not because of political reasons but because the wonky hypothesis you've constructed is not falsifiable.
>>696168070
For your thesis to hold any water, you have to explain why the Europeans had this superior power to colonize before meeting any of these other people. You seem to say that Europeans gained their power on the backs of indigenous peoples, but you must be able to mesh the idea of equality among the races with the fact that Europeans were able to overpower these other peoples in the first place.
>>696174033
You mean like "race is a social construct" and "white Privelege" and "black people commit violent crime at astonical rates because derp white people, meanwhile everyone else seems to be managing just fine?"
>>696173537
>pop-sci sites are totally legit you guise!
aren't you adorable
>>696171808
how much of the dna can modern technology sequence?
>>696173393
You are correct, but I am not incorrect, it depends on what scale of history you're talking about. I am specifically speaking of the retention of geographically localized standards in the civilized world, not prehistoric survival.
But I should also point out that those survival characteristics do vary according to environment in a manner analogous to that which I described. Inuit evolved the heavy eyelid because of the cold, windy environment not because they've always been a separate race with that trait. Humanity (and all life, really) adapts to its environment. The range of those adaptations causes us to see ourselves as being comprised of different distinct groups but it's really just one group with a wide range of localized adaptations.
>>696174358
The entire genome.
>>696173910
probably for the best
>>696173950
>>696174029
lazy fuck you probably wont even read these
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/141027_iachr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf
http://sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Addressing-Racial-Disparities-in-Incarceration.pdf
http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/race-and-punishment-racial-perceptions-of-crime-and-support-for-punitive-policies/
>>696174138
we are all equal in our moral worth and in our humanness. we are all naturally equal in our worthiness of love and compassion when we first emerge from the womb
my explanation for how the europeans came to have the power they had at the dawn of colonization is: its history, man. doesnt have to do with race, its just the way things happened. cultural and political currents created incentives to develop war technologies and an expansionist imperialist mindset bent on accumulating material wealth for european elites. and on we goooooooooo
>>696173387
It's not corrupt the judge has explicit discretion in his sentencing. He is legally allowed to put you in jail for an extra year for insulting him if the law says 3-5 and he was gonna give you 3, he can make it 5. The law might be bad but it's not corruption.
>>696174584
And the entire mitochondrial genome
>>696174358
>>696174584
Know i now that you aren't a biologist. everyone knows that we can't sequence the entire genome. The most sequenced genome is that of humans, but even that one hasn't been full mapped.
>>696174061
i need to sleep. maybe ill start a different thread on environmentalism tomorrow.
>>696175014
I would like that
>>696165955
Say:
>I really believe in the equal rights and fair treatment of females. When I marry, I will take my partners name, as oppose to her taking mine. Our kids will be raised gender neautral, and taught to be tolerant of others.
>>696174117
> It's clearly bad science [...] because the wonky hypothesis you've constructed is not falsifiable.
How bad. Crossing sciences and make up a real theory based upon scientific proves. How fucking bad. It's not falsifiable because it's based on proves. How bad.
This research isn't paid by the Uni because it would be bad for "our enviroment as humans, it could prove the interdependency of race, sex, economical, historical religious and genetic factors in the developement of Humans". What a a bad use of science.
This makes no sense. That's the purpouse of science: FACTS. That's what our research's providing: FACTS. Why is it bad? I don't get it, my GF either, even if she's afraid of both left and right parties in university, because they both want to kill us, for no actual reasons. We are just proving that their entire set of knowledge and values are basically shit, but they can overcome this fact, using our research and supporting us.
>>696173650
>That's not true. The humans have actually a psychological sex reflex which helps them to find attractive females from different cultures as possible mates
lol tell that to the KKK
they most DEFINITELY teach their children to breed within their race and even call total strangers "race traitors" for mating with blacks. Many black parents would not want their daughter dating a white man because they'd be seen as a sell-out.
It's true that globalism has softened this a lot, and there will always be those chinese mail-order brides who see marrying a white american as a status symbol, but traditionally everyone has stuck to "their own kind" for the most part.
Not saying that's a good thing, just saying it's what happened.
>>696174943
We actually can.
>>696174943
lrn2google
National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI). NHGRI led the National Institutes of Health's contribution to the International Human Genome Project. This project, which had as its primary goal the sequencing of the three thousand million base pairs that make up human genome, was successfully completed in April 2003.
>>696175165
>How bad. Crossing sciences and make up a real theory based upon scientific proves. How fucking bad. It's not falsifiable because it's based on proves. How bad.
Stop spazzing out retard.
Here's Popper explaining to laymen how falsifiability is used to distinguish between real science and pseudoscience.
http://faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/Popper-1.pdf
>>696174943
Lol, you massive retard.
The human genome was completely sequenced before you were born.
>>696175206
As I stated, I don't research/live/breath in the US altought I've a US passport because my parents are american, I'm born and raised in Europe.
I analyse the world surrounding me, and I act according to science and nature, which is my only moral. United States are a small dot in the world and if you just look at them you are just a peeping tom who's lost his perspective. Look how small you are on the map. Look up how small is your culture in comparison to the entire world.
>>696170852
... Care to explain?
>>696175736
I read it all and I was like: I'm reading Karl Popper for real? Great HS throwback. By the way using the Popper instruments, here's my philosophical prohibition: conceptual relativity must not take place, welcome back pragmatism.
Am I killing Popper with Popper itself? I think I am and I feel very sorry for Einstein, the most malignant mind of the last two centuries.
>>696174686
I appreciate that you gave me an honest answer to my question, but it still begs more explication. Multiple civilizations across the globe throughout history have hadel these same incentives, and the means to achieve them. My question is still: why did the Europeans succeed where so many others tried and failed?
>>696175736
Also
"Im Namen der Toleranz sollten wir uns das Recht vorbehalten, die Intoleranz nicht zu tolerieren."
Man, he was the first SJW in philosophy/history. What are we talking about?
>>696175369
>>696175433
>lrn2google
doesn't read the actual page.
1% according to their site, but that's entire wrong since it's only 90% sequenced, at this time. The remaining 10% falls into 357 gaps scattered throughout the genome.
>>696176704
thanks for the appreciation. i appreciate your response as well.
i think you will find a lot of explanations for your question out there.
my explanation is that the incentives were actually different, and the means were very different as well.
christianity is a religion that seeks to convert. it granted divine right to its members to go out and do so by the sword. on top of this you had the development of the enlightenment era. new technologies and modes of production that made europe the most competitive economic and military power in the world.
i dont think the incentives or the means were the same for any other group at any other point in history.
>>696177173
Fucking nerd
>>696178643
as a follow up to my response: what was particularly unique was the combinatioon of religious and scientific motivations for exploration, conquest and subjegation. there was also the moral quest to bring 'civilization' to the 'savage'
i think you can find a comparable ethos during the arab conquests, but the technological edge that the arabs had wasnt as significant as what the europeans had later on. we are really talking about mercantilist economies built upon massive plantation slave production, building the capital that was necessary to jump start the industrial revolution and quickly outpace every other regional hub of trade on the globe.
>>696173540
No I think there is plenty of room for the current population.
It would require a radically different society but it could happen
>>696178853
fuckin pleb
>>696179033
Only a disaster can change the mentality, because the entire world pretty much ignore the problems at hand.
>>696179418
Yup, society currently in existential crisis.
We will collapse and humanity will find a new way to survive with our crippled earth. That means most people would go away.
But I guess being jaded for so long as made me a relentless idealist, so I'm going to look for hope wherever I can find it, because it keeps me from offing myself.
>>696174686
You cited a source from the ACLU?
You've proved my entire point. You're a lazy liberal working in highly politicized theories instead of evidence.
Stick to academia. It suits you well.
>>696179995
Why don't you logically refute what the source is claiming instead of attacking the source like a child.
I have no idea what you two are talking about but if the ACLU is wrong you should be able to tell us why, retard.
>>696180424
>protip
>he cant
>>696179995
>having it this backwards
ill stick to academia so i can teach your kinds peer-reviewed replicated studies, then when they fight with you over politics at the dinner table youll wonder why they have strayed from your meme-level understanding of the world.
but, jokes aside, the aclu probably wasnt the best source to give you. i would bet 100,000 dollars you didnt read it though, and that you woont read any of those.
maybe a more shit-tier level of reading is appropriate for you.
something with charts and graphs at the 8th grade reading level. you know, like a news article.
>>696171052
Muslims were only "advanced" because they translated Roman and Greek writings into Arabic. Then it was mostly Persian philosophers in the Muslim civilization that pushed this knowledge base further.
So, what you can argue is that is was the teachings of the Classical Civilization that brought back European supremacy.
>>696177173
the complete sequencing of the human genome happened several years ago, and it was a really big deal
If you've been keeping up with basic biology, then you would either remember it, have learnt about it, or at least notice that you can fully sequence whole genomes relatively quickly these days, based on the breakthrough of the Human Genome Project
just letting you know
>>696180789
There is no use in dividing h sapiens by region or arbitrary phenotypic traits, when you are talking about society. Because we have done has emerged from an interrelated system, we all share common ancestry, and we have now all converged. Information can be transported around the world in less than a second, the old world is gone. Reductionism isn't an accurate way to veiw systems.
>>696180789
where's your evidence for that? If all the knowledge was from Europe, why was Baghdad the centre of science and learning, rather than somewhere in Europe? I've never heard anything that would support your claim, and your explanation seems pretty far-fetched
I'm not the guy you replied to, but you're ruling out any possibility that a entire city could have thought for itself, over hundreds of years. That's not based on research or facts, that is delusional bullshit
>>696181341
>interrelated
I meant interconnected, I feel like that is a small but important distinction to make.
If you look back far enough we are all interrelated but looking that deep into causal relationships gets messy, and serves no purpose here.
>>696167728
this has always been a very strong part of 4chan.
the problem isnt that 4chan doesnt have inteligent people looking for rational discussion. the problem is random crap vs clever shit and the painfully hard methods of seperating one from the other.
>>696181879
>and entire city could have thought for itself
Could never happen, even the most isolationist societies where still influenced by the previous thought that was their foundation. And were certainly effected by other societies that shared the same resources.
>reductionism isn't an accurate way to veiw systems
>>696167728
There are tons of smart kids on 4chan actually
But they are to busy posting meta ironic quasi-memes that only make sense to them to make a serious post.
>>696172975
damn I studied at the wrong place it seems, if it is THAT easy where you live...
>>696165955
> SJW is a social construct. idk wtf a costruct is...
>>696167491
Haha you really think the only difference between masterraces and niggers is skincolor? Oh man you are are retarded
>>696166609
wow try hard mode activated. bs none left captcha can eat shit.
>>696171021
If he didn't want people seeing his wife on TV he shouldn't have taken her to a footsie game
>>696169394
how about you find information in the form of memes before you you say shit.
>>696172975
That's completely wrong
I suggest you find a respectable anthropologist, psychologist or sociologist adherent to positivism and tell them this.
>>696171882
they are not, why are you such a idiot?
>>696184770
Next time I'm ordering a pizza from one, I'll tell them
>>696165955
>not realizing race is a construct to divide and distract people from the truth.
That we are divide by Class. It is not a but white or black. It is about rich or poor.
>>696170743
because of Class not race.
>>696170213
It's seems like the argument always boils down to nature vs. nurture
> The left/liberal/whatever always claims discrepancy based on circumstance
>The right/conservative/whatever claims "social Darwinism" and biological superiority
Neither really for or answer the disparity or society. Sorry but your clean and neat organization of the matter means little.
>>696173136
faggot
>>696167491
What about the skull and brain differences
>>696165955
> I want to talk with a SJW
>> /lgbt/
>>696174305
your a faggot.
>>696165955
im out i think this thread gave me cancer. and im tired of nigger store fronts captcha.
>>696185396
Hey look I'm not going to argue that this guy is wrong. I'm just going to say that in a modern society we should all be equal. If it were legal to do what the guy in your image is implying and hire purely white people because you think they're smarter, it would create a really really shitty situation for black people. In short, it would fucking suck for races of people who do not hold the majority of power.
We can all agree that people are different and there is a cosmic dice roll that determines your race, how smart you are, whether or not you're likely to become addicted to drugs.. etc etc etc. It is my opinion, and I think it's a lot of peoples' opinions that we should mitigate the effect of this dice roll as much as possible, to ensure that everybody has a chance to live a happy, productive, dignified life-- which is totally possible.
As far as I can tell, it is only selfish assholes that don't see this and attempt to hurt a group of peoples' chance at living a happy, dignified life.
>>696168815
Europeans won, Africans lost, quit bitching about it. It's happened since people first saw something that different people had and wanted it. It's still going on now, people with power are still pushing their agendas against people with no power. The only difference now is that globalization allows those with no power to take it from those who have power (point in case, SJWs). Just because it looks different doesn't mean it's not happening, and don't kid yourself that social justice warriors like you won't be responsible for as much suffering as any army marching on the orders of their betters
>>696186426
This concept of winning and losing is what creates inequality and more generally, unhappiness. We live in a society where there is enough production capacity to provide basic necessities for everyone on the planet.
Also, the person you're responding to, and anyone reading this, should *never* stop "bitching" about inequality and power abuse. Society has changed in the past, it is changing now, and if we all listened to the people in power and just "quit bitching" nothing would change.
A power that nobody can take away from you is your voice, and there will always be empathetic people on the planet looking to mitigate inequality.
>>696170852
MFW when my sociology lecturer,the most published sociology professor at my university, said that the only reason she does it is because she didn't get in to accounting degree
>>696167728
>correct
>Pretending it means more than that is a lie, one that's used to control people
Except for the clear distribution of athletes separated by sport and genetics (correlates directly with skin color)
>Swimming
>Basketball
>Luge
etc.
So there ARE differences that are quite quantifiable.
>>696167491
>irrational and biased
Ignoring 50+ years of history and statistics, are we?
>bad for our long term survival
Bad for whom? Bad is an abstract concept created by humans and highly dependent on the subject and the context surrounding the subject.
Arguing that the "human race" is a social construct is like saying whatever we define is one. No shit, Sherlock. It's to help us classify and cater to the needs of a specific individual.
"bad"
faggot
You say humanity like we've been the same since the inception of our species. We change. Adding in outside genetics doesn't preserve the species, it alters it. The 'survival of the human race' is not forbidden in any way upon the perseverance of racism. The survival of each subspecies is, however. If you want the eventual smorgasbord of humans mixed up into one individual then by all means, destroy these classifications, you faggot. We won't live that long anyways, and you'll just die tired.
>>696167567
/thread
>>696174138
Read "Guns, Germs, and Steel." If you actually want to know why the thesis actually holds water. If you don't, go fuck yourself, you willfully ignorant twat.
>>696186859
I understand and respect your point, I really do and I wish it were true. The problem is that the whole winning and losing dynamic is hard coded into our societies. If you don't want to win someone else is going to win, and you're going to lose. It's a mindset that's taught in school and applicable from job interviews to wars. The mindset even applies to countries. I'm not American but the American Dream is a mindset of winning. Hitler wanted to win, and the French government just wanted to chill, that's why they got blitzed. The Middle East wanted Israel out and the Israeli government didn't want any trouble, that's why they almost got pushed back into the ocean.
I realise how I'm breaking this down renders it almost nonsensical, but just pointing out the evil in the world does no good. All but the most ignorant know it's there, some have learnt to live with it or ignore it, some just let it fade away, but there is nothing that will change just by going online and shouting about it
>>696170852
>MFW positivism and the rigidly institutionalized logic its ironically subjective reasoning has been one of the prime contributors to the emergence of increasingly totalitarian modes of thought.
I think you missed a word, somewhere here.
>>696187843
I find the win or lose paradigm the most cancerous in debate.
So many people are so caught up with being right that they refuse to learn from being wrong.
>>696171451
>i'll trust this person I know, because I know them, who might not have paid attention in class or while reading from the texts like the one used to create the argument I took note of but shall place no value upon
Colossal faggot
>appeal to authority
>>696166091
>SJW here
>answer to your question: "White people" is also a social construct, but one a lot of white people still believe in
is the distiction between species also a social construct?
>>696188783
It would be if the species communicated socially for there would be no society without social communication.
>>696188341
that's not what's happening here, someone said that the concept of winning and losing was damaging to humanity or some shit because it makes less fortunate people worse off or some bull.
there are already UN and NATO treaties to help out countries in poverty, it's a shame that the US doesn't follow alot of them otherwise there wouldn't be a need for SJWs to bitch and moan on the internet.
>>696185396
can't argue with nobel prize winner - everyone go home
>>696188341
This isn't debate, so I can be as oncogenic as I want. This is not a case of false dichotomy, one does not have to learn from being wrong if they are right, and in this situation, if you're wrong, you're probably to enslaved or dead to learn from anything
>>696186330
>I'm just going to say that in a modern society we should all be equal.
Welcome to Reddit, everyone.
says you and every 5-year-old i've ever met
>>696186330
>races of people who hold the majority of power
>>696189198
>every 5 year old i met
that's what it boils down to, anyone crying about inequality is looking for a handout because "it's not fair."
there's a huge trend nowadays to cry victim till you're blue in the face until you get a handout.
there's also a huge trend of entitlement amongst young people nowadays.
I wonder if the two are connected somehow?
hmmmm.............
>>696165955
Not even an SJW
Privilege is also a social construct
Slavery was a social construct
Just because something is socially constructed doesn't mean it can't focus on a specific racial demographic in an unfair manner.
>>696167491
if youve darker skin you produce less vitamin d, so you have a higher chance to get depressive and are less fertile, if you life in unsunny places, but you get less cancer
>>696189655
SJWs are the biggest social construct
>>696189198
based on our own logic, you should like reddit more than 4chan. here, every poster is equal and only the quality of the post counts. I never saw anybody saying: oh, funny pic you posted, except if your black, than it sucks.
>>696189803
You're the kinda guy, who would say slavery was okay and the people fighting it were doing something baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, amiright?
>>696172193
america and canada?
So a social construct is actually when someone makes sense of something and forms a clear picture of how it works in his or her head.
This means that Gender is one thing, but once Jenny the 8th grader understands it, she has formed a social construct out of it in her head.
This is how she makes sense of it.
So when an SJW says "gender is a social construct" they actually are saying "how we percieve our genders is a social construct," not that "society dictates I am a man because I have a penis;" and in fact, if they are saying the latter, then they don't know the definition of the term.
>>696190186
no i didnt say something like this, races are social construct, but fight again social constructs is just a bigger social construct,
i think everyhuman is the same useless shit(me included)
>>696190592
how you perceive race is a social construct, but race is genetic.
>>696167415
no one is born an idiot unless they have a variaty of birth defects (learning difficulties in this case). anyone can be taught if you know the best way to teach them and they are willing to learn
>>696190649
so, if I was to say "a black man walks down the street," the thought that jumps into your head after, THAT is the social construct.
>>696190720
I hope you SJWs finally learn what this term means and stop using it incorrectly.
