This is not a personal army request. Attack if you personally want to.
Thats a daisy.
>>696145725
This. I'm all for gun control but this is fucking retarded.
>>696145455
Thats either a bb gun or air rifle.
top kek faggot
>>696145811
SHALL.
>>696145957
NOT
>>696146014
INFRINGED
NOT
>>696145455
It's an air rifle you fucking retard.
It even says Daisy on it.
My God you're a fucking lost cause sharing this FB horseshit
>>696145957
>>696145989
>>696146014
>>696146044
My american brothers
I'M OP you realize I KNOW it's an air rifle I'm posting so you guys can tell her what a dumb cunt she is if you so choose.
>>696145455
I'm ukfag. I've never understood all the gun nonsense.
A gun is a tool, just like a fork. I can kill you with both. If i really want to kill you, i'll do it with the fork if i have to.
There is no correlation between gun control laws and violent crimes. The uk doesn't have proportionally less violent crimes.
>>696146708
>There is no correlation between gun control laws and violent crimes.
There actually is a correlation.
Less gun control means less violent crime.
>>696146699
I want your fb details so I can tell you that you're a dumb cunt.
>>696146708
Being this underage
>>696145725
you'll shoot your eye out
>IT HAS A SCOPE
>MUST BE A SNIPER RIFLE
>>696147135 why do you keep saying FB you realize the image is of a twitter account right?
>>696145725
God damn it
Underated as fuck
>>696146200
The entire reason he is sharing it is because it is 'FB horseshit'.
honestly the world is fucked, there are whole racks of real firearms right next to the toy isle.
>>696146809
You should take a look at a map displaying gun violence vs gun control in the US.
when black gun crime statistics are removed , the usa has about the same gun crime rate as every other country
>>696147534
BAN ASSAULT NERF GUNS
>>696145811
>I'm all for gun control
but why
Stop that. I mean, you're entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
>>696146246
DUN DREAD ON :DDDDD
>>696147537
>You should take a look at a map displaying gun violence vs gun control in the US.
>gun violence
And here we see the retard who doesn't know how to read.
Yeah, no shit you stupid bitch. We aren't fucking talking about gun violence now are we?
We're talking about violent crime you retarded shithead.
>>696148028
i don't care if they are foam darts a gun is still a gun and guns kill
>>696146809
Hmm?
How so?
>>696147201
Topkek
How'd you come to that conclusion anon-kun?
>>696145455
nice b8
only retards would fall for th-
>>/b/
ok
>>696145455
B8 > R8
>>696148361
One example that illustrates it.
The key thing to focus on during debates like this is "violent crime" not "gun violence"
Gun violence means literally any violence that involves a gun.
>suicide
>accidentals (which is irrelevant considering these make up a small portion of ER visits)
>self defense
etc etc.
Violent crime means literally violent crime.
More guns does likely mean more deaths from guns, but that isn't the full picture. Guns are a natural deterrent for violent crime.
>>696148267
I know you're being sarcastic but this is the Australian government's. Fucking nanny state.
>Violence is bad mmmkay?
Anything basically resembling a gun is illegal. Registration is even required for airsoft guns. Violent games illegal.
>driving fast?
We'll crush your car
Get me out of this snake infested hell hole
>>696149330
why the fuck do you need a gun you soft cunt
Too much of a pussy to defend yourself with a fucking a cricket bat?
>>696148914
I love that argument.
"B-but anon! Countries with more guns per capita have a higher rate of gun violence!!!!"
Well no shit, Sherlock. And countries in the Sahara are going to have a higher rate of lion maulings than the US.
That not even touching on the fact that comparing the US to any one European country is fucking retarded. We have almost the same amount of land as ALL OF EUROPE.
>>696149559
Because they're fun.
>>696146708
You cant kill a room full of people with a fork ya raging fag....
>>696149726
Fun for you but I wouldn't want fucking lebs getting their hands on that
They're already dangerous enough as it is with their knifes going in groups like pussies
>>696149591
>We have almost the same amount of land as ALL OF EUROPE.
>have
You mean the land your ancestors stole stole? With guns?
>>696149591
there are legit like 0 lions in the sahara
>>696149793
Literally millions of people go their entire lives without killing anyone, despite owning firearms.
Also, how's france this time of year? I bet there's never been a mass murder since after all, civilians can't access firearms!
Oh, what's that? Someone killed eighty people and injured a hundred more with a TRUCK? Hm. Imagine that.
>>696149559
I guess we should just let all 230 pound 6'4" niggers rape any able bodied 90 pound white woman because
>lmao too much of a pussy
Perhaps my grandma should just let the burger kill her next time.
>>696150059
bet the indians wish they had guns
>>696150059
B E A D S
E
A
D
S
Also
>colonization was bad meme
o i am a laffin
>>696145455
>killing people with an air rifle
these people are retarded
>>696150105
You know what, keep your guns and your laws and your Trumps. Am not even from US. And i gonna love watching your shit country goes to hell after trump wins.
>>696150114
you think it'll be the white women buying guns? And not the nigger?
Quit deluding yourself amerifat the ones most inclines to get guns are nuts and criminals, actual victims never consider it before it's too late
>uuhhhj too bad for them
I thought this was about protecting people?
>>696149793
yeah, but you can with fertilizer and some other things. The best thing about gun rights is that the room full of people can also have guns. Just because most Americans are too chickenshit to take their safety into their own hands, doesn't mean they should disarm who would. Ever notice how mass shootings happen in liberal Meccas and gun free zones? Keep on spouting your simpleton logic though, unfortunately many people think exactly like you do.
>>696149793
Actually....
>>696145455
Not your reverse psychology army either.
>>696150322
Big talk from someone who's most likely in a country that has already gone to shit. Just think about the fact that since your population is completely disarmed, your voice doesn't matter the least bit. Your freedom is only around as long as its convenient for the people in power. America is a land of laws. Trumps come and go, but we will always have our freedom and the power to make sure that we do.
>>696150142
Yes, i bet the Indians never know that lvl of faggotry existed in the world b4. Literally the land of diversity with all kinds of ethnicities liveing peacefully and guess which race of faggots ruined it all for them.
>>696146246
>>696150451
Good point. Lets ban laziness and lazy people.
>>696150451
haha, excellent point. I love how they want to take away guns because of those deaths, most of which are suicides, yet the fast food industry is completely free to let people kill themselves with shit food.
>>696146708
>a feather is a tool, just like a nuke
>beards don't exist
>>696150342
Place with gun laws in place
>Nigger is most likely a felon
>Obtains black market gun
>Attempts to rape white woman
>white woman has no gun because they are illegal
Place with little to no gun laws
>nigger attempts to buy firearm
>can't because he's clearly a felon
>gets black market gun anyway
>attempts to rape white woman
>white woman has option of having a gun and now has at least a chance of survival
>Quit deluding yourself amerifat the ones most inclines to get guns are nuts and criminals
Criminals can't buy guns champ.
> actual victims never consider it before it's too late
Not in the great United States. You either live in on that faggy, rainy island across the ocean or some other faggot cuckhold state over here.
10% success rate for burglary against homes that have guns.
>lol murder has a life time punishment
>lol better deter murderers with guns by making having a gun a 5 year punishment :^)
Full retard.
tl;dr gun laws only stop innocents from having guns.
>>696149726
That under crown.
Great cigar.
>>696150084
It's a metaphor. Something something forest for the trees.
>>696150059
>Your ancestors
>Stole
Lol. Stay mad, cuck.
>>696150322
>HURR I DESERVE TO BE NOTICED FOR MY UNEDUCATED OPINION OF AMERICA EVEN THOUGH I DONT EVEN FUCKING LIVE THERE
>>696150342
Yes. There are a ton of women buying guns and getting concealed carry licenses nowadays, because theyre learning that the only person responsible for your safety is you. Also criminals gonna crim, they don't abide by the laws anyway, so why should literally millions of people be restricted and punished while niggers can still do their thing unabated?
>>696145455
Kid's got a good point. Why can you buy a gun at Walmart with zero proof of training/responsible handling/test passing? Is Walmart really a place we want redneck retards able to get armed?
>>696146044
>>696146014
>>696145989
>>696145957
EAT
A
FUCKING
COCK,
RETARD.
>>696150611
>Big talk from someone who's most likely in a country that has already gone to shit.
>muh country is da best
>USA!USA!USA!
When the entire globe is pretty much United in their hate for one country, their is probably a really good reason for that.
>>696149559
Nigga I can't even get some shit ass airsoft rifle to shoot at vermin without having to re-register every year
>>696150916
you...can't? You need a gun license.
>>696150988
Wow, you really showed them with that substantive response.
>>696150916
Its not a real gun retard
>>696146809
How do you explain Mexico then? Almost no legal civilian owning guns, and yet violent crime through the roof.
Switzerland exact opposite - mandatory guns through conscription and almost no crime.
It's almost like its a societal issue, huh.
>>696147263
>>696146246
>>696150663
>noble savage meme
Yes because there was never war between tribes. They set raiders out for surprise birthday parties
>>696150988
If you don't like it, why don't you get a super majority in both bodies of congress and majorities in 75% of state legislatures :^)
Until then, fuck off retard.
>>696151204
Doesn't matter. You can BUY real guns there. That's a deflection and a very poor one at that.
>>696150867
>It's acceptable to kill someone who breaks into your house
amerifat logic
also the black market only exists if there is a high number of guns per capita but in aus the black market for guns is virtually non existent
Recently on the news they talked about smuggling and how the cops caught a cargo of 50 handguns (wow so easy for mass shootings)
>>696151284
You need to reread the post you're replaying to, because you're agreeing with it.
>>696150758
The stat I linked is firearm homicides. we have around 28,000 'deaths', 60% of which are suicides. The rest are a mix of justified/police shootings, homicides(11,000), and accidental shootings. Out of a country of 300 MILLION those numbers aren't bad.
>>696150898
I wasn't a fan, to be honest. Too dry, not enough flavor.
>>696150916
As long as you can pass a background check, you should be allowed to own a firearm. There isn't a lot of 'training' required, as long as you follow the four rules you're good to go, and will literally never have an accident. Luckily the 4 rules are drilled into your head by every shooting range, informational booklet, RO, gun shop employee, family member and friend. The internet has made it even more widespread. I live in the south and I have yet to meet a single person who doesn't abide by the rules.
>>696151119
No you dont, unless you live in a shit state like The People's Republic of California or NJ or NY.
>>696150663
>indians
>diversity
the only diversity between americans were between the north and the south and the innuit
>>696151312
Ralphie Noooooooo
>>696151560
Handguns are just as capable as rifles of being used in mass shootings.
Good job showing that you don't know fucking anything.
>>696150663
>Indians were peaceful meme
TOPKEK
M8 the indians couldn't defend for shit because they were so fucking divided! Besides the obvious disadvantage of losing tons of their own to illness from the Europeans they could have stood a chance had they had the slightest sense of diplomacy.
But they didn't, their answer to adversity was usually the primitive "hit it with a rock until it stops moving".
They hated the euros almost as much as they hated each other, and that's why we were able to genocide them.
>>696150663
Until the Indians would contract a sickness from the master race that was completely foreign to their immune system.
>>696150611
>always have our freedom and the power to make sure that we do.
>Civilianized assault rifles vs AFV.
Good luck kiddo.
>>696151560
>it's unacceptable to kill someone who breaks into your houses
These people fucking exist holy shit.
>also the black market only exists if there is a high number of guns per capita but in aus the black market for guns is virtually non existent
That's probably why prohibition totally worked.
>Austrialia
>room to talk
You faggots banned your guns and then cheers and less gun violence.
Yet your stabbings and VIOLENT CRIME skyrocketed. Lelborne is the punchline to a very long and sad joke.
>>696151499
And you have to go through a national background check too in order to get one when you buy one there because it's the law.
It's not like they just sell to anyone without checks in place.
>>696151119
Nope just a valid id saying you're over 18 in my state
>>696150663
The British turncoats?
>>696151560
You do know that prior to Orlando that the biggest mass shooting was done with a handgun right?
>>696151560
>>It's acceptable to kill someone who breaks into your house
>amerifat logic
I'm moderately pro gun control but how cucked is your culture?
>>696145455
i killed so many birds with my powerline 880! i still have it after over 20 years... and it still shoots awesome! daisy makes a hell of an air rifle!
>>696151598
You right, my bad.
>>696151878
Different guy, in the US how does it work out if you kill someone who breaks into your house?
>>696152000
I wish I still had mine. Fucking nephews tore it up to shit when I left for college.
It was the first air rifle I ever owned.
>>696152131
depends on state.... Alabama = medal.... maryland = jail sentence
>>696151981
In britan it's literally illegal to prepare for a situation where you'll have to defend yourself.
>R-rule B-Br-Brittania, right guys? G-Guys?
RIP 1707-1918
>>696151976
>Triggered
>>696151119
What the fuck is a gun license?
>>696147292
Well that is actually the definition of a sniper rifle you dumb fuck.
>>696152198
dude they are still in walmart go snag one .... 40$.... the nostalgia is worth that shit... i would shoot that fucken thing for hours! best fun you can have in your back yard!
>>696151981
Isn't it usually that the force you use has to equal theirs?
>>696152244
All I can think of is an FOID in cuck states, or a Concealed Carry License to get around fucking waiting periods, if you're in a sorta kinda cucked state.
>>696152131
Depends on what state you live in. If you lived in Texas and shot a home invader no one would bat an eye. Other states have "duty to retreat", meaning that you mustn't engage someone who breaks into your home, you have to go lock yourself in the bedroom or something.
>>696150996
People keep saying this, and yet the most capable people from every country in the world come to the US. The only people who hate the US are backwards morons from impoverished countries who are jealous of the perceived wealth, and the super liberal Europeans who think that just because they gave up any semblance of liberty that we should as well. Nice job not using any actual reasoning to argue against what I said. Just keep it up with your little meme arrows and talking utter nonesense to make yourself feel better. Just always remember that your opinion, your voice, your very being means absolutely nothing if you live in a vast majority of the world. No one in power has to listen to you whatsoever. People around the world don't hate America, they really just hate themselves from how it seems. They gave up any actual power they had because they were afraid of their fellow countrymen having any liberty because they come from a culture of peasantry, so they will always be peasants.
>>696152131
Depends on the state. States with good castle/self defense laws, as long as you were defending yourself nothing happens. If they think something else was going on a lengthier investigation and/or court case might occur.
Some states though will charge you with murder even in clear cases of self defense - those are the shithole states to avoid.
>>696152344
If you use lethal force before they're literally killing you, you're committing murder. Even if you're in fear for your life, you'll go to prison. Oh well.
>>696152234
Read this faggot
https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders
>>696150988
haha such an angry weak little man you must be. is my ability to adequately defend myself bothering you little fella? poor guy.
Post your guns.
>>696148242
Which includes every drunken bar fight.
If all those drunken fighters had guns, violent crime statistics wouldn't change, but the number of deaths due to violent crime definitely would.
>>696152341
I'm in the city now - ordinances against shooting guns, including air guns, in the city.
I really need to move back out to the country.
I think though I might go get one next paycheck.
>>696149591
Statistics are per capita you retard.
You don't just compare the actual numbers
>>696152234
No, its illegal to be prepped to cause abh or gbh, big difference....you can carry a bat, "but its to go play in park not for self defence officer"
>>696152650
hey... they are quiet... very quiet you know that.. fuck the city!
>>696145455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjukzUOM0ac
>>696150322
Then do so, we oh so clearly have stated many times we do not give a single solitary flying boeing 767 of a fuck about your opinion on our country
>>696152750
This
>>696152304
>any gun with a scope is a sniper
why do people who have no idea about guns talk about gun control? oh wait that's america. where you argue about what you have no idea of
>>696152575
Used to rock a FN FNC and FN MAG when I was in the army.
>Shit was cash
>>696145455
I'm waiting for the day when somebody kills 4 or 5 people with a BB gun.
>>696152131
Most states it's fine. You have no idea what they want (stealing? rape? child rape/abduction?) or what they have on them. In the states where it can go to trial juries would be lenient (from my understanding) especially if the home owner has a wife and children inside. As one anon said MD might give jail time but that state is such a massive retard nanny state that I moved out of it; a homeowner defending his family might be cellmates with a rapist in for the same duration of their sentence. Literally sat through some court cases were child molesters admitted to their crimes and were given minimal sentencing. Probably why Baltimore is such a shithole, intelligent people move out of there asap
>>696153033
>oh wait that's the internet
FIFY
>>696152537
>What is reading comprehension
Say you live in a sketchy area. Neighbors have been giving you funny looks and saying nasty things recently. You're scared. What can you buy to carry around to defend yourself?
>Knife?
Hell no, that's a weapon, you're preparing to kill someone. "Save a life! Bin that knife!"
>Well how about pepper spray?
Absolutely not citizen! What, you want to BURN SOMEONES EYES WITH CHEMICALS?
>So what CAN I have for self defense?
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm
Top fucking notch, Britan. Top Notch.
>>696152886
I also have a set of neighbors who are huge fucking cunts. I am fairly certain they would call the cops if they saw me in my back yard plinking cans or a pellet trap.
>>696152131
Last time I checked 38 states of 50 states allow you to shoot to kill the instant they force themselves into your home.
>tfw Indiana
>tfw I can legally shoot an OFFICER if they come into my house unlawfully
>tfw our primary put that glorious motherfucker over the tipping point for the primary
>tfw our FUCKING GOVERNOR is VP
Jesus Indiana, where did it go SO FUCKING RIGHT LADS?
>>696151560
Bitch why the fuck are you in my house, how the fuck do i know you don't want to kill me? I'm not letting you get my shit, i work for that you are not just taking it
>>696151981
>>696151878
>it's acceptable to kill somebody who just wants to steal from you
Can you kill someone who is in the process of scamming you? Or someone who has taken you bank details through identity theft?
How can you morally justify the ultimate punishment for somebody who was merely trying to steal
>>696153089
Well not 4-5, but people have been killed with bb/pellet rifles - usually the store bought .177 caliber kind, not the fancy, more expensive and exotic caliber kind.
>>696153132
>Britan
kek
>>696153144
that makes me a sad panda..... i feel for ya man... liberals suck... hell i've been hit with a ricochet off that rifle and it stings but its harmless... people are just fucking stupid.... scared of their own shadows
>>696151855
You don't have to have overwhelming firepower to make those who have to actually carry out the orders think twice. If there was ever a reason for enough people to take up arms, you can be your ass any military force in the country wouldn't want to get into shit with the large amount of people who are armed in the US. Do you realize how many armed civilians there are compared to military or law enforcement?
They also can't just drone the fuck out of people in urban areas because of how much shit it would stir up among the peaceful civilians when they accidentally kill large numbers of them. You may think that it's as simple as comparing the arms available to civilians between that of the military, but it really isn't. But you can go ahead and keep making condescending statements and regurgitating ideas you gathered from every other sheep without actually thinking about it. You're so much more intelligent with your world view you sucked right out of someone elses asshole.
>>696153132
>>>rape alarm
Topkek like I need an alarm to remind me when to rape silly poms
>>696153157
Born and raised in Elwood, Indiana. Can confirm my grandfather owns a nigger's head that used to be in the Silver Dollar bar.
>>696153225
In Texas you can - you can use lethal force to defend your property from theft.
>>696152750
>>696153009
Yes, but there's more to it than just per capita numbers. The US is varied in it's laws, wealth disparity, population density, ethnic density, and a hundred other factors that make it hard to properly compare to any other one country.
I bet if we turned the tables and compared the crime statistics for all of europe to say vermont, we'd be seeing a VERY different story. (vermont is almost entirely white folks, with a TON of guns, but there's almost no crime whatsoever)
>>696152344
I don't know if I understand what you are saying. Self-defense is you using actual force before the would-be lawbreaker uses it on you, correct? A knife wielder within a certain radius is legally able to be shot by an armed civilian.
>>696152602
>Here's one example of where violent crime outcomes would not be affected by lack of gun laws
>Let's just disregard the other examples to fit my argument :^)
>cherry picking fallacy
>piece whole fallacy
Fucking pathetic.
>>696150451
>preventable 300,000 deaths
How do they describe the 11,419 from guns?
>massive loss of potential
>>696153225
Because, they're the sort of scumbag that's willing to trample on your sense of security, your privacy, your property, and potentially put your life or well being in danger out of pure greed. Fuck em.
Another added benefit that statistics won't really show you; If jamal and lashawnda know that TONS of people are carrying in their home state, they're going to have to be a lot more choosy about their crime habits. Guns in citizen hands acts as a deterrent as well.
>>696145455
>>696153427
So basically americans are bloodthirsty retards who can't into morality?
>>696153322
>RAPE ALARM
holy shit, fucking 10/10
>>696153456
There probably are some EU statistics around, most probable place is eurobarometer (creates/collects and makes averages in statistics at a EU level), look it up and tell me if you find anything
>>696153225
>>it's acceptable to kill somebody who just wants to steal from you
>Can you kill someone who is in the process of scamming you?
You're literally just making shit up in your head to fit some preconceived notion. We're talking about home invasion (private property rights are a huge thing in the western law, which you don't seem to understand) where you don't know their intent (theft, rape, murder).
>>696151560
I hope someone breaks into your house and tortures you until you fucking die you worthless cuck. if you break my door or window to get into my house, Im shooting the fuck out of you, simple. go play with your chasity cage faggot
>>696153352
Yup.
Wanna know what really fucking sucks? I'm in a southern state, and these shitheels move into what otherwise is a nice neighborhood and become the ordinance nazis for the street.
No one fucking likes them.
Bitch works for department of human services as a child welfare agent, and he is some sort of teacher.
Liberal as all hell.
They've got Clinton for Prez signs in their yard right now.
Even though I hate Trump, I put out Trump signs to fuck with them.
So did most everyone around them. It's fairly funny.
I am hoping they attempt to remove a sign - I have my security cam pointed at it. If they do, I will make sure they are hit with state fine of tampering with election materials which is 6 months in jail and $10k fine.
>>696153594
Well to be the fair, if you eat yourself to death, you probably weren't worth that much to society.
Than again, something like 80% of firearm homicides in the US are done by felons against other felons, so the same could probably be said for the dindus and laquishas out there.
>>696145455
>Daisy
>sniper rifle
I though that your granddad's bolt-action .22 was gonna be a "sniper rifle" first, but it looks like they've skipped straight to toys.
>>696153740
No you're basically a retard who would let people break into your house and fuck your children and pets.
>>696153225
>>it's acceptable to kill somebody who just wants to steal from you
It is 100% acceptable to kill somebody who wants to steal from you, if they are using violence.
Breaking property is violence. Breaking into a house is violence.
That is key.
We have the God given right to life, thus by default, we have the God given right to defend our life. If someone is attempting to steal from us using violence, they are infringing on our right to life, thereby forfeiting their right to life in the process.
>How can you morally justify the ultimate punishment for somebody who was merely trying to steal
Because breaking into a home is not merely stealing.
I wouldn't shoot someone for reaching into my pocket for my wallet, but I'm sure as fuck going to shoot someone who breaks my window and creeps into my home.
>>696153919
If that happens and I shoot them, I would go to prison. Plus the police isn't authorized to enter houses between 22 and 05 without warrants where I live, so yeah...
>>696151855
>attempt to bomb terriorists
>always kill randos in the process
>librals always in an uproar
>rebellion of U.S.
>bomb rebel neighborhood
>kill random AMERICANS
Yeah, that will certainly end well.
>>696153953
>Bitch works for department of human services as a child welfare agent, and he is some sort of teacher.
Man fuck those people. Don't you hate it when someone reports you for child abuse?
>>696153799
I've very briefly looked into this stuff in the past, but theres no standardization among many of the stats. "violent crime" practically means ten different things in twenty different countries, for example.
>>696153740
Nope. We believe in private property rights, and that human beings are to be respected. If you violate someone, you can expect to be violated back if they catch you. This makes the idea of committing crime a bit less appealing as well.
>>696153132
tbf that is pretty stupid but in most rough areas people do carry knives. Either in self defense or for stabbing people intentionally. And knife crime was a big problem in the UK, hence the really strict laws.
Everything else aside, have a read of this because it's quite interesting. Try to get past the anti-gun part at the start x
https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/
>>696153225
You have no idea what self defense is do you? The reason you are allowed to respond without escalation is to defend yourself, that doesn't mean that if they break into your house you,have to respond by breaking into theirs; if you are reasonably in danger you can fight back, if you can reasonably assume that your life is in danger(aka every time someone breaks into a house with the owners inside) then of course it is not considered reasonable for them to start shooting at you before you start shooting back.
If you are carrying a knife and a gun and someone tries to stab you, you don't have to pull out your knife and fight with that, you can pull out your gun; your life is in danger, so now theirs is too
>>696153380
Why wouldn't they drone the fuck out of everyone? Look at every other country that has a dictator in trouble. They use any means they have against the people. Why do you think that just because it is the US that if the government turned into a dictatorship they would refrain from using drones and any other tools they have to squash a domestic terrorist group who is armed? That is what the enemies of the government will be and you already see the infrastructure they have built to tackle any group they deem a terrorist group.
>>696153225
>How can you morally justify the ultimate punishment for somebody who was merely trying to steal
How do you know that's what they want? How do you circlejerk with a thumb up your ass and pretend you understand morals (or basic legal philosophy) more than anyone else? Are you really this stupid?
>>696153580
You're a retard.
You can't use violent crime statistics in a firearm debate.
Violence will happen, but if the violent offenders didn't have guns, it would reduce gun related deaths.
You use violent crime stats because instead the guy just beats someone and you can say that the number of violent crimes didn't go down, when in reality, it's the outcome of those violent crimes that has been changed
>>696153740
>So basically americans are bloodthirsty retards who can't into morality?
How about you stop being a complete nigger and quit stealing and being violent for 5 minutes?
Don't want to die? Don't be a violent, greedy chimp. This isn't hard.
You come into my home, you are getting several rounds into your head, end of discussion.
>>696154212
My state has had in the last decade several dozen child welfare scandals - kids in foster care given to abusive hosts, money go missing from thefts, agents taking bribes to essentially sell children into labor.
It got so bad that our mostly retarded politicians actually started auditing and investigating the agency for reform, as well as firing top officials in it.
The agency and its workers are corrupt as fuck, and it's mostly filled with liberals like her.
>>696153033
It actually is you dickhead
>>696154694
>bribes to essentially sell children into labor.
Source? A PA judge got sentenced for getting paybacks for sending thousands of kids to a specific private institution. Got a slap on the wrist but I honestly believe corrupt judges should get lengthy sentences. Or publicly executed.
>>696154586
>criminal shoots someone
>OH NO THE GUNS, QUICK BURN THE CONSITUTION
>Criminal stabs someone
>It's okay guys, he didn't use a gun :^)
The point is violent crime is a GIANT UMBRELLA that starts to shrink the instant there are fewer and fewer gun laws.
Because go figure, people don't like to commit crimes against armed people.
So go fuck yourself you faggot cuckhold. You 100% use violent crime stats when referring to gun laws. You're a retard for failing to understand there.
>>696154586
Tell me, if in 2016 the US has 10,000 firearm deaths, so they outlaw guns entirely. Poof. Guns gone from existence in the US except for cops.
In 2017 the US has 10,000 stabbing deaths.
is the problem fixed?
>>696154824
No, its not, you retard. You can put a scope on a pistol, does that make it a sniper weapon? Fuck off with this shit, you've got no idea what you're talking about.
>>696150916
>Why can you buy a gun at Walmart with zero proof of training/responsible handling/test passing?
because in the us, owning a firearm is a right. defending one's self from a tyrannical government or crackhead niggers is a natural right, like breathing.
>>696152304
Not really. It has to be precise and fired against the shoulder too. A P90 with a scope is not a sniper rifle.
>>696155133
Liberals:
>fuck guns dude, why would you need that shit you have cops
>lmao cops are evil racists
I guess we should make sure NO ONE can have guns including the military therefore no one will surely have them because it's against the rules :^)
>>696149793
yeah but you can kill 60 FRENCH PEOPLE WITH A FUCKING TRUCK.
>>696153380
I feel you dude I do, but the government fucking bombed civilians in Philly back in the 80's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
Everyone kinda moved on. People have shitty attention spans.
>>696155401
I'm liberal and I'm pro-gun. The US is not a political dichotomy anon. There are anti-gun conservative Christians
>>696153380
>>696154420
^ Pritty much this.
Look at the recent coup in Turkey. Civilians and Police were shot when part of the armed forces tried to seize control. They failed. Go the people power. But do you think it was because the civilians were armed?
Those who were armed and tried to fight were shot. Your conventional small arms will do nothing against AFV. You'd be better off without them because a soldier is going to be less likely to shoot an unarmed civilian who is protesting, its a moral issue. If they're armed however, it's simple human nature and the right to self defense.
If you need more convincing, take a look at Iraq, the armed forces were dealt to swiftly and easily, then started a more then decade long internal struggle to control the place, which is near on impossible when the enemy doesn't stand and fight with conventional weaponry or uniforms.
I won't say your weapons won't protect you from your fellow man, I'd own a number of weapons if I lived there, ya'll need them now and trying to dearm the population would never work now, but your heads in the clouds if the reason you own firearms is because you feel you need them for protection against the government.
>>696155607
>The firefighters, who had earlier deluge-hosed the MOVE members in a failed attempt to evict them from the building, stood by as the fire caused by the bomb engulfed the first house and spread to others, having been given orders to let the fire burn.
>>696153380
i agree with this guy.
>>696152212
>maryland = jail sentence
maryland... kek
my wife lived there for work before we met. she said people there were expected to make heroic attempts to flee. lel. she also lived in a small burb that had an approved list of colors one could paint their front door.
>>696155035
Various news agencies. Placed kids in foster care to work farms, as "rehabilitation" mostly.
It's not like they were sex workers or anything, just free labor for people who made money off them working for them.
>>696154420
>Why wouldn't they drone the fuck out of everyone?
Because they physically can't.
There are over 300M people and there are over 300M guns.
The fucking military isn't even 10M strong. Not to mention it would be super easy to fuck up the countries infrastructure and the U.S. couldn't operate a war against itself with cunts like Russia and China lurking in the distance like vultures.
>>696150322
cuck
>>696155855
>approved list of colors one could paint their front door.
That's pretty much anywhere with an HOA.
>>696155053
Why so defensive.
I like guns, I'm not saying anyone should take them from you.
I'm saying that using violent crime stats is wrong, and it's only done because it gives the numbers you want to support your argument, even though it's bullshit.
This is a surprisingly rational thread (bar a few) about guns, and it's even more surprising it's on 4chan.
>>696155228
No.
How the fuck can a pistol magically change into a rifle you idiot.
Common infantry weapon in WW2 was the garand, snipers generally had the same rifle with a scope.
Granted, recently there a core rifles designed specifically for the purpose of sniping, but any rifle with a scope on it is technically a sniper rifle.
>>696151855
>>696155368
A p90 is also not a rifle, it's an smg
>>696156938
Depends on barrel length. Civilian P90s with 16" barrels are carbine rifles, not SMGs.
>>696156437
Except it's not wrong at all.
It's wrong to use gun deaths, because if it's really hard to get a gun, and a criminal is really determined, they will just commit the same crime with a different weapon.
If you're totally unarmed, it doesn't matter if a robber on the street has a knife or a gun. You're fucked either way and you have to do as he says regardless.
A robbery with a gun and a robbery with a knife both fall into the same category: Violent Crime.
Some robbers will just kill the victim even if they are compliant.
If you ban the guns, but the robber uses the knife instead and ends up killing the victim, sure, there is one less gun death. But the amount of violent crime stays the same.
But if we allow guns and the victim kills the robber, we have one more gun death but one less violent crime.
This isn't hard to understand, champ.
>>696149591
>Well no shit, Sherlock. And countries in the Sahara are going to have a higher rate of lion maulings than the US.
>That not even touching on the fact that comparing the US to any one European country is fucking retarded. We have almost the same amount of land as ALL OF EUROPE.
How is it even possible to be this retarded. Lions don't live in the desert and the area of Europe is irrelevant.
>>696156938
I thought most SMGs were carbines, and carbines can be turned into rifles?
But yes I should have chose a better example.
>>696149591
Sahara doesn't have lions.
Country size doesn't matter when using averages.
Mate unless you shoot someone in the eye your unlikely to kill anyone with that toy.
>>696157476
I think the problem with his post is that he was attempting to argue two different thoughts at the same time.
If you look at homicide rates per capita there is no correlation between gun control and preventing homicide. That is the stat everyone should be using.
Some people use raw gun deaths, which is silly, because like he said we have more guns and we have more people.
>>696157242
You're the one that's having problems understanding champ
> amount of violent crime stays the same
> number of deaths from violent crime drops
Is ok anon, I'm sure one day you'll rise up and fight off the oppressive government and cheer in victory.
>>696148267
hi mum.
>>696156888
Checkaroo.
>>696157839
Nice straw man you retarded faggot.
I clearly said
>> amount of violent crime stays the same
>> number of GUN deaths from violent crime drops
Look at you. Shamelessly ignoring part of my post to fit your faggot cuck agenda. You have to be one of the most pathetic, retarded faggots I have ever met.
Enjoy getting raped by a nigger dick in your own fucking home.
>>696146708
get forked ya cunt, I'll spoon ya to death if you don't shut up
>>696149559
not everyone has a fag bat for cricket. You must mean softball bat you uk or aussie fagface
>>696146708
Not everyone has forks, check your privileges
>>696146708
Ban trucks, why does a regular citizen need to own a truck? The constitution was only talking about muskets!!!
>>696156888
>A FIGHTER JET CANNOT STAND ON STREETCORNERS.
No kidding. But a Bradley can. A Bradley can also stop all of your your small arms round, see you in the dark and pop a 25mm round through your chest at more then a mile away, they may not be able to search your house, but they don't need to search your house to removed your freedoms from you now do they.
>>696158366
> strawman
> cherry picking
Throw in logical fallacy, moving the goalposts and ad hominem and youve you've hit the reddit quinella.
Good to see you using the word cuck like a true faggot champ
Krautfag here.
Banning guns just means that upstanding
citizens wont be able to defend themselves
against criminals who will keep their guns even
though the're banned.
source:
Guns are banned in Germany.
But that guy who killed 9 muzzies, injured 35
and killed himself after still found a way to
get a Glock 17.
>>696161174
>If I call out my own fallacies as I use them they don't count and I get a free pass :^)
I won't use the words then buddy.
You misrepresented my argument by ignoring entire parts of my post. That's called being a disingenuous faggot.
Ad hom is also when attacking the person making the argument is the crux of an argument.
>you're an asshat, therefore wrong
That's ad hom
>you are wrong because X, Y, and Z, also you're a faggot
That's not ad hom.
Also, you call out ad hom while crying le reddit boggeyman at the same time. Do you not see the irony here?
Of course you don't, because you're a stupid faggot that has been refuted and you have no leg to stand on. Do you really think anyone bought that line of shit of
>I even like guns man, but...
But nothing. You're a fucking deceptive kike. Get the fuck out.
>>696148242
Whoa now calm down buddy
>>696149726
What's fun about it, you can shoot it at a target but that's about it, if you ever use your probably going to jail, self defence or not, and it could kill you. Seems small minded to have a gun for the sake of having one
>>696162725
> if you ever use your probably going to jail, self defence or not,
Not everyone lives in The People's Republic of Britain.
>calls others small minded
>when he's worried about negligent discharge
LOVING. EVERY. LAUGH.
>>696155133
You must be a spastic.
wtf is with people saying ''the people' protected themselves from the military' in turkey. you foxnews-brainwashed cunts. no matter which group attempted the coup, the fact is someone should stand up to Erdogans dictatorship bs. he's censoring the internet, shooting down kurds and blowing up russian jets because they 'came into out air space', while simultaneously allowing isis fighters and their armed vehicles into safety from the kurds.
ausfag completely ready for the hate
guns are used to protect yourself against guns. i worked in a relatively small cafe which was known to be popular
>closing up
>winter so it gets dark early and quickly and everyone wants to be home where it is warm
>man comes in
>walks up and down looking at all the food
>starts looking at the windows and stuff
>the second i become suspicious he pulls out a medium/large knife and demands all the money in the registers
>he has already grabbed the tip jar (was very full plus we baited it with some notes)
>i freeze up, i was a few years younger at the time and had never had something like this happen
>boss is 40-45 nothing special, looks a little rough i suppose
>pulls out the wooden handle of an axe with no blade attached
>"put that jar down before break your face"
>guy freezes up for a moment
>boss starts to walk around the counter
>thief throws jar onto the bench and runs
this would not have happened if guns had been involved
>>696153380
Yea, they may be armed but they also have no fucking idea what they are doing
>>696163090
I think you whiffed on your reply m8
>>696161620
Are you being serious right now?
You missed the entire point
It's morons like you that make these threads entertaining.
You actually repeated what I had already said previously, but you made the assumption that all violent crimes have the same likelihood of resulting in death as violent gun crimes.
That is a poor assumption anon.
Maybe even a cherry man fallacy
>>696163269
>robber focused on you with his gun
>boss comes out and shoots distracted robber in the face
Much better.
>>696161472
Aussie cunt here
Maybe you need to sort out the Muslims in your country. That'll stop those fucking shootings.
And guns are so fucking common in America, yet how come when someone shoots up a club or some shit, no one ever seems to shoot back?
Liberals push gun control.
Conservatives push abortion laws.
Can we just fucking not?
>>696163438
>but you made the assumption that all violent crimes have the same likelihood of resulting in death as violent gun crimes.
No, I didn't. I gave you one possible scenario and showed you how it ended up misrepresenting a set of statistics and how it applies to the larger sample size.
This isn't hard to understand retard.
>>696146246
>>696163594
>And guns are so fucking common in America, yet how come when someone shoots up a club or some shit, no one ever seems to shoot back?
Because most of these shooting occur in areas where guns are prohibited.
I.E. the gun restrictive law didn't prevent shit.
Go figure.
Fact is banning guns will never happen in America. We're too far gone. I am by no means anti-gun. But to cling to these ideals, as if every gun owner uses it to "protect my family" is utter nonsense. They're fun as fuck, that is all.
Anyway who has people breaking into their houses to kill you? grow up. Get a job and move to a suburb without poverty fuelled gang members. /problemsolved.
Stricter regulation is what needs changing, if you deny that then you are just a mouth-breathing fuckboi.
>>696163822
So now you're saying that gun control does save lives?
>>696150988
>I'm upset because I'm not allowed to assert my opinions over others
>brb going to bitch about how conservatives are so oppressive on social media
>>696164126
This is what they can't grasp, it's all or nothing in their minds.
If you mention gun control, they hear gun ban.
They even use example like australia having banned guns, which never happened.
The concept of regulation and control seems beyond their scope of understanding
>>696164362
No, all gun control does is lower the number of deaths caused by guns, while the overall homicide rate either stays the same or increases.
What is so hard to understand about this.
>>696164126
>I am by no means anti-gun.
Just stop. Anyone who says this is a disingenuous faggot. You are 100% anti-gun, fuck off.
>If you disagree with me, you are [insert insult here]
You're also naive if you think crime has an address. It can happen anywhere. It doesn't matter if you're the best driver in the world, you still get insurance. Why would you take that risk when you could also have a gun?
People who argue against guns don't bother me.
It's cunts like you who bother me.
You're the pretentious kind of fag who spouts bullshit like
>common sense gun laws.
Go fuck yourself. I want you to specifically outline what guns laws you would put into place and what each law would change.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>696164126
Price of a gun ~$200 to ~$3000
Price of a house in a nice neighborhood the suburbs ~$200,000 to ~$750,000
>Just move
>>696155301
what a hero
>>696163970
I'd like to clear this up. I'm nearly certain the other nigger is referring to the Pulse shooting, so I'll say this to him.
The armed guards at Pulse were targeted first. No one is expecting someone to bring in a weapon and start firing. It's a crowded room and no one knows who is doing the shooting. The armed guards were killed and anyone else with a gun took off to seek shelter.
Now here's the deal, jack. You are expecting a normal human being to step up and engage in a gun fight with a psycho.
>b-but he has a gun!
Yeah and giving someone a hammer doesn't make them a fucking carpenter, see what I'm saying? He has a tool but not the mind or the training to use it. Civilians don't usually train themselves to engage in gun fights. They train themselves to shoot targets in a closed lane.
Really, what you're expecting is unrealistic. You're expecting someone to be a hero simply because they have the means to protect themselves. You're expecting them to put their own lives at risk to defend everyone else? Nope. Sorry, bucko. Not everyone is so selfless or suicidal as you. Now if you'd just stop pushing for gun control laws that don't effect you (since you clearly don't own one), that'd be really appreciated.
>>696165036
It's over 1 mil in California. Even in the shitty parts.
>>696164126
>move to a suburb
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders
>>696165027
Well said. I've got a bunch of liberal friends that say similar shit and never really know what they're talking about.
"I just want this to stop"
I tell them we all do and they get pissy with me and say "well vote for the gun control laws!" and I say that won't help and it just goes down from there. There's really no reasoning with them. They've already made up their minds and aren't open to logic. They think we're the closed-minded ones when we are just against taking rights away from people...
>>696164126
I could be a mouth-breathing fuckboi and still be less garbage than you.
Hurr comprehensive abortion laws XDD
Gay marriage control!
How you like that, fucking libtard?
>>696165217
Options:
>gun fight with the psycho
>just cower like a faggot and let him kill you
Yeah, tough call there. A real moral nail bitter.
>Civilians don't usually train themselves to engage in gun fights
>there are people out there who have no sense of personal responsibility or competence to defend their well being
>fuck it, let's ban the guns so no one has a chance much like the literal fags that stood there like fucking cowards.
>gun control laws that don't effect you
A. They all affect me because I own guns and I'm a member of society. Look to Honduras, mexico, and Venezuela if you beg to differ
B. There's that vague faggotry again. Keeps saying gun laws but won't give specifics.
>>696164579
Because it's based on the assumption that any violent crime has the same likelihood of death as gun crime
What is so hard to understand about this.
>>696149726
22 caliber. 9 in the cylinder. Break action with auto sheet. Noice.
>>696165217
>Now if you'd just stop pushing for gun control laws that don't effect you (since you clearly don't own one), that'd be really appreciated.
why does it matter if a person owns a gun or not? They are affected by the easy ownership of guns by others. Yes, they do not have to give up their toys/penis extensions/empowerment tools and those who do live in fear or self delusion do, but the positive effect of a less dangerous society will be felt equally by all. This is like saying to a non murderous person "please stop making laws against murder, since after all you do not want to murder someone, so it is none of your business."
>>696165505
I got into a huge argument with mom about guns, and I finally broke down and asked her
>what SPECIFIC LAWS would you pass
>you can't use full auto weapons
Grats mom, you already can't own those unless you have the ATF up your ass
>ban semi auto
Hey mom, what's semi auto mean?
>uhhhhhhhhhh
And then I pulled up a picture on my phone of 3 different guns. 2 of them were AR-15s and one was an AK-47. Say said that the ARs should be banned and the AK was fine.
And she said that because the AKs stock was made out of mother fucking wood. After I was done I said to her
>Do you at least see why I'm upset
>You have very little understanding of something and you want it banned
Like holy shit.
>>696149793
No but, France proved you can kill a whole lot more than a room full with a tractor trailer? Point? Ban guns and Tractor Trailers?
>>696165735
>insulting someone for prioritizing safety
You seem to be lacking basic rationale.
>thinks putting yourself directly in the line of danger is defensive and competent
>making yourself into a fool for arguing with someone that was initially agreeing with you
>I replied to you so you could see that I was agreeing with you and talking shit about the other idiot WITH you
Woops. My bad. Didn't mean to confuse you, lil buddy.
>>696165735
I disagree
> because you don't agree
I don't like what you said
> because it makes.me confused
Why can't you just agree with what I say
> what I say is correct unless you of can prove otherwise
How many points can I address in a single post
> as many as I like till I build as wall of green and white stripes for everyone to laugh at
Why am in and faggot?
> because I an ally pent rate myself with gun barrels while.jerking to trump
That doesn't really.make me and faggot does it
> yes it does
Wel fuck you because unless you outdoor counter every 64 lines I wrote I am right and you and are wrong
> muh freedoms
>>696146044
unless it is revoked. you know,like any law can be... because it is no longer fit for purpose.
>>696166069
> Gun control is pointless because my mother's an idiot
Can't argue with now can we
Ask gun hysterics how they would handle this, without a firearm. Guy comes straight through door with a machete
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsAMSQ13bY
>>696165756
And you need to understand that I don't give a flying fuck about death from violent crime. Holy shit, that isn't what we are talking about.
We're not talking about death from violent crime. We're talking about violent crime.
A dude holds you up with knife and takes your money; that is a violent crime. Gun ownership deters violent crime.
My whole point is you're so worried about people dying from guns that you don't care about violent crime rate.
It's as if you'd prefer 30,000 innocent people getting robbed to 100 people (innocent and criminal combined) dying from guns.
>but no one died of the 30k robberies!
Jesus, there's more to life than just living. What kind of fucking life do you live when you don't care about having control over your agency, Jesus.
And you still haven't refuted the non correlation between guns and homicide rates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
So even if I was making assumptions on correlating violent crime deaths without guns to violent crimes deaths with guns, it's totally well founded given how the #1 spot is honduras, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, some of the lowest gun deaths, yet the highest homicide rate.
>>696148914
This
>>696165886
Because it's impossible to tell who will go crazy with a gun if they don't have a criminal or mental illness record... The gun laws do nothing but make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to get them.
Criminals will always have access to weapons through some means. Laws don't mean shit.
I'm saying why do liberals tell conservatives to fuck off with the gay marriage hate when they literally cannot fuck off with the gun hate? Conservatives watch gays get married when they feel they shouldn't because it's against their religion. They watch women go into a doctors office to murder their baby. It's fine for you because you're a liberal and only understand shit from your side of the fence. But when it's guns, oh boy, those are dangerous! Better take those away before someone gets hurt! Never mind those dead babies because someone couldn't keep their legs shut or wear a rubber or fucking take a goddamn pill. Nope.
It makes sense for you to take away someone else's rights than have your own rights taken away, so not owning a gun, you're taking someone else's rights away, since you've already decided against owning.
>>696146708
a> wrong - easier access to guns (and ammunition - switzerland does not count) correlates with easier suicide by gun, domesticc murder by gun and murder suicide, as well as use of guns in armed robbery and in low level crims and assaults, and also murder rates generally. Which is why UK has 40 times less gun crime per capita than USA. as for the fork analogy - please, kill yourself with a fork, since you do not have a gun.
>>696145846
There are 50 cal air rifles that would make make your chest explode. This clearly isn't one, but they exist and are unregulated in most states.
>>696146246
>>696151284
swiss do not have ammunition. also, swiss have tight control over who is conscripted - no criminals, no insane, while Mexico has uninforced laws - just passing a law does not make guns go away, especially when they can be easily bought across the border and imported - USA exports gun crime...
>>696166746
No, the point is to reduce deaths.
How you don't understand that says says a lot really
>>696166069
Yeah, they don't care to learn but they want to look smart by saying shit they have very little understanding of, like HIGH CAPACITY CLIP MAGAZINE ROUND FULL AUTO TACTICAL ASSAULT SUPER ULTRA DEATH KILL MACHINE GUNS
Liberals are much more emotionally driven and that makes them dangerous. They're more privy to knee jerk reactions and doing stupid shit, too. Just ask all the dumb liberals that microwaved their phones thinking it'd save it from water damage....
>>696166746
You need help anon
>>696166563
>>696166579
>>696166425
Retarded faggots that still haven't offered up one specific gun law that they would instate.
>>696166563
You don't seem to understand how the constitution works. The constitution doesn't give us rights. God gives us rights, They are GOD GIVEN rights we are born with. The constitution outlines how the government cannot overstep their reach.
Good luck making that amendment champ.
>>696166579
And yet here you are. With no specific law to offer, because you're clueless about the subject.
>>696166351
No one in that bar tried to fight back and everyone died. That is how it went down.
If anyone tried to defend themselves there is no possible way it could have gone any worse than it did.
>>696166425
>i've ran out of legs to stand on and will now spout nonsense
Your argument to ban guns was
>well...most people don't know how to use them...
>>696150059
>You mean the land your ancestors stole stole?
Oh, please do go fuck yourself.
No mass firearm deaths (defined as 5 deaths or more) have occurred since the 1996 legislation was passed in Australia.
>>696145957
>>696145989
>>696146014
>>696146044
We can't count to 5, but we sure can quote the constitution appropriate enough. Brings a tear to my eyes, God speed anons.
>>696166746
I read a quote following the bataclan thing, can't remember who, but it was a yank. Young couple found dead, with the guy trying to shield his girl. Frogs are crying about it.
Yank says fuck that, he'd want to be found dead next to his empty pistol, slide locked back, by his living wife.
Essential attitude difference, I think.
>>696166999
>>696167053
And the point is it DOESN'T REDUCE DEATHS
HONDURAS HAS THE STRICTEST LAWS IN THE WORLD OF GUNS
THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST HOMICIDE RATE OF ANYWHERE.
SWITZERLAND HAS AMONG THE LOWEST HOMICIDE BUT IT HAS THE AMONG THE HIGHEST GUN OWNERSHIP
AND PER CAPITA THE US IS NEAR THE EUROPEAN STATES.
>>696163573
The murifag mentality, not that you need guns for protection but that having a gun and the use of violence makes everything better. <3
>>696150322
>You know what, keep your guns and your laws and your Trumps. Am not even from US. And i gonna love watching your shit country goes to hell after trump wins.
y u so gelatinous?
>>696167210
And yet your stabbings and violent crime have gone through the roof along with your homicide rate.
Good job. But at least those deaths weren't caused by guns :^)
>>696167114
Why don't you just declare yourself the winner and go to bed?
It's obvious how this will end regardless, so why waste your own time further?
It's impossible.to even continue any discussion with you because you reply to 27 posts so by this point you don't even know who is saying what in relation to anything.
Calm down Timmy.
Nobodies taking your precious guns away.
>>696150867
>Criminals can't buy guns champ.
mfw
>>696167296
Nice job, you stopped the criminal, but now he's alive somewhere robbing a different store with a boss whom isn't as manly as your boss.
Instead you could have just killed him and removed that blight from this world.
>>696167114
>If anyone tried to defend themselves there is no possible way it could have gone any worse than it did
Partially true. The families would have lived to know that their child wrongfully killed someone in the chaos. Or their child was killed by someone trying to stop somebody else.
It's truly irrational to expect a human being to ditch their survival instincts to be able to calmly assess a chaotic situation and accurately fire their weapon at the source of trouble in a crowded room. You don't even seem to understand the scenario completely.
But yes. Ultimately, everyone probably would have died. The BEST case scenario would have been if the gunman walked up with his gun drawn. Then they could have shot him outside and everyone could have gone home safely.
>>696167239
Except you missed all the posts in between that fucked it up.
But hey, as this thread is proof of, no need.to let reality get in the way of what you want to believe
>>696167458
Good job reading the rest of the post and missing the point.
>>696167411
Amazing. You still haven't listed one "common sense" gun law you'd pass if it were up to you.
>>696167263
So now.youre saying that the problem.is american mentality in general?
That sounds like you don't have the mental capacity of being responsible with firearms then.
I was only about controls, but if that's what you say, maybe you shouldn't have them at all
>>696150663
"White people are bad"
>>696150059
Yes, that land.
>>696167411
>No one is taking your guns away, he said condescendingly
Yeah. Just removing bits of your rights until it becomes near impossible to own them. And then finally, the killing stroke.
Seriously. I keep saying it and everyone keeps ignoring it. Liberals would shit if conservatives did this to gay marriage or abortion clinics.
Now you can only get ONE abortion in 10 years. Enjoy your 2 month long wait listing. We'll have to background check if you've had any abortions in the past or if you have any sign of mental illnesses or child abuse :^)
Oh, it says here you're GAY? Sorry but we only allow BISEXUAL people to get married. Looks like you'll have to be a little more open minded to apply :^)
>>696167263
So angry
Look at all this caps you're throwing around.
God knows what you'd do if you had a gun on you in public if you flew into a rage like this
>>696150663
>all red skins
>diversity
>they still fought over land and power
>wars waged across the Americas before white people even knew it existed
>Whitey gon n fukt it all up agen D:
>>696167458
He's right, not legally. Has to be straw purchase (illegal), or black market. Or you might get lucky and be supplied by the BATF.
Fuck, I'm a brit and I know more about us gun law than most of these yank anti gun nut jobs.
>>696167517
>The families would have lived to know that their child wrongfully killed someone in the chaos. Or their child was killed by someone trying to stop somebody else.
My child would be one with a gun. Because I don't raise my kids to be pathetic and roll over from someone to just snuff them out. My kids kills someone? Who cares. At least he tried to stop him.
Everyone died anyway.
>>696150906
lol it's a fucking stupid metaphor because there are 0 people mauled in the sahara you dumbfuck.
>>696167484
Prison?
>>696167710
that is literally not at all what hes saying
are you retarded?
>>696151901
I'm so jealous
I AM SO DANK I CAN'T BEAR IT ANY MORE
HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>696167906
Idk if you'd feel that way had it truly happened. It's easy to say something but to live through it is different. Like gore threads, people talk a lot of shit but have you ever seen a real fucked up dead body? It's not nice.
I think knowing that your child tried would offer some solace but you might still feel like someone could have survived if he hadn't shot that poor innocent person caught in the crossfire. How I know? Because you wouldn't have known this alternate timeline where everyone died and didn't get that same chance. You always live to regret what could have been.
>>696168004
If he got caught, sure. But you don't know what happened to him. He could have got caught and sent to jail or he could have killed someone and robbed them.
That's what so nice about a gun. It takes the unknown out of it. You kill that robber you don't have to worry about him anymore. He's gone.
>>696167595
What's amazing is you haven't listed any common sense at all
>>696167761
That's what happened to us, in UK. Bit by bit gun rights were removed. But it doesn't make a difference, people will still kill each other, so know the focus is on muh evil knives. Eventually they will ban fists and teeth.
>>696150059
Stole... from people without guns...
And you wonder why the governments of the world want to disarm the populace?
>>696151560
>>It's acceptable to kill someone who breaks into your house
>amerifat logic
I'm not american and I completely agree with this.
If you don't want to get shot don't fucking break into my house, faggot.
>>696168170
Yes but then you would probably go to jail considering you killed him when all he did was pick up your jar of tips
>>696165027
Seriously, you're going to say that guns don't need tighter regulations? At the very least we should implement some form of training. Not this shoot 2 targets down range at 10 and 30ft, like my grandma did.
Hundreds of people accidentally get shot each year by kids alone.
Fuck it, more guns. Why is that your response? honestly, please tell me the scenario where it works.
Lets take the Orlando shooting. Okay now lets say we add every other drunk gay man in their with a weapon. Easy right, obviously one of them will kill him and stop the threat.
No, an untrained civi will freeze up, or become trigger happy moron who hits another man who he sees is holding his gun as a potential threat in retaliation to the original shooter and now you have a dead civi who did nothing but 'defend his God given rights'.
The cycle continues until even more people are killed, in a dark, high volume, light-flashing environment.
Lets transport this outside, into a non-enclosed dark environment. Yet again, this scenario plays out, and plays out until more innocent people are killed by the 'heroes' with guns. This is a ridiculous argument. Violence happens, we all know that. I'd just rather not be fearful of everyone around me with access to weapons who could be some random psychotic fuck.
Am I a legislative governor? fuck no.
But i'd damn sure start implementing stronger checks, into mental health backgrounds. I'd love to implement a forced club involvement with a local gun club or store. To show how you properly use your weapon(s), keep you training and improve safety above all around your family and neighbours.
If you do not attend you lose your privilege as a 'safe gun owner' and are submitted to a check by a local law enforcement officer or club rep to see everything's on the up and up or have your licence revoked.
It is a start.
>>696168155
You have a train about to run over 5 people (same age, health, etc) and you have the power to pull the switch and kill 1 person (same age, health, etc as the 5 people) instead.
You might sit there and ponder the ethics of either scenario for hours, but that simply isn't how I operate. I'm a numbers man. I pull the switch and condemn the 1 person to save the 5.
My kid kills 2 people and the gunman? Sucks. He also saved 70 peoples lives.
Scaring off the robber instead of shooting him? Sure, you save one life. How many do you cost in the long term? I don't like to gamble so I shoot the robber under the assumption I probably saved one innocent life in the future.
That is where you and I differ.
>>696167761
> muh rights
You mean what you've been allowed.
There are no rights, and just because a centuries old paper has some shit written on it doesn't change that.
What about your right to take drugs?
What if you want 2 wives? Why isn't that a right?
How bout a right to an election process that isn't rigged from the start?
