It's time for another late-night space thread.
What do you think is out there, /b/? How deep do you think this rabbit hole we call a universe goes? Come share your beliefs and theories about our universe in this thread.
If you like this thread, please bump it. It'll die if it's just me dumping.
Be sure to read the filenames for descriptions of the pictures.
Everyone seems to be obsessed with Mars right now. NASA and SpaceX, especially, are focusing so hard on establishing a colony on Mars. I honestly think it's a bad idea. Why Mars? Wouldn't a colony on our own moon be a million times easier?
One of my favorites.
>>695933736
Fucking beautiful.
Someone post the Pillars of Creation
>>695933351
Hey you're supposed to use this pic when starting a space discussion thread
Fucking internet went down. I hate AT&T so goddamn much.
>>695934125
Here you go anon.
It looks delicious, like a giant fluffy space cupcake or something.
>>695933351
I like to imagine the entire universe being one atom of a bigger universe.
Doesn't make sense but hell it's as good as any other guess.
>>695934500
One thing we know for sure is that there is space outside of our universe, otherwise our universe wouldn't be able to expand.
Maybe our universe is just a molecule, heating up and expanding, in some infinitely larger universe.
>>695934353
Cause im a lazyfag how did they take this photo and what do they say it is?
What's really cool about this one is that the walls of the storm rotate every 10 hours, perfectly in sync with Saturn's core's natural radio emissions.
>>695934703
It's basically a fuckload of dust. They're called the Pillars of Creation because they're currently in the process of forming new stars.
The photo was taken by the Hubble Space Telescope.
>>695934711
Saturn is so cool.
>> it's a combination of 32 images stitched together to look like one big image.
It's a nebula where there is a bunch of stars being born, hence the name Pillars of Creation
>>695934500
hey that's my theory too!! Like maybe we're in something else's brain cells...
This is where you live, /b/.
>>695933543
Gravity on Mars is far closer to Earth's. Far fewer long term physiological problems.
>>695934646
It's curious isn't it? Its possibly the most interesting thing a human being can ponder about and yet we are unable to say anything useful about it with certainty.
Kinda makes you wanna sing, doesn't it?
>>695934835
Its fucking awesome pal, they're supposed to be pretty huge. What i would do to get a ride out to see that shit and more
All of my nope.
>>695934703
The photos are taken with long exposures and the colors are added afterwards. Most of the time the colors are based on element composition.
>>695933543
Well, the scenery is nicer on Mars. But going there bore doing a test base on the moon is plain retarded, i.e. People are gonna die.
>wai hallo dar
>>695935212
Im staggered by the beauty. I havent looked at anything astronomical for a while. Wow off to the tube to watch shit b4 bed. See you cunt fucks another time
>a star cool enough to swim on
You guys ever think we'll figure the universe out? Like answer everything there is to question?
>>695933543
I think they will use the moon to test stuff before the Mars colony
>>695935477
No way. There's just too much.
That's not a bad thing, though. That curiosity is exactly what drives us to learn more.
>>695935477
I think about your question very often. I just hope that somehow we get all the answers after we die.
i cri every tiem
>>695933703
yay space anus
2spooky
>>695933543
becuz the gravity of mars is more similar to the earth, the efects of low gravity in the human body are, vision problems, bones-descalsification, risk of cerebral damage.thre are few more
>>695935934
This photo was taken in 2004 with a backyard telescope.
Why don't you break your old telescope out again, /b/?
How about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics
>>695936175
i got a 10 inch dobsonian, it's too fucking big.
>>695933543
If we fuck up earth too badly, mars could be a good second chance. The moon is too small, has no atmosphere, and very little gravity.
>>695933351
If any of you got time, go read "Time Travel in Einstein's Universe: The Physical Possibilities of Travel Through Time" by Richard J. Gott, It's a cool read about how the universe may have created itself through a stable time loop.
OP here, posting from phone. My internet died again. Let's try and keep the thread alive until it comes back up.
Do you guys think there is life outside our planet? We can't possibly be the only ones in our universe. But if not, then... where is everybody?
>>695936801
Mars doesn't exactly win on the whole atmosphere situation.
>>695936842
And of course it's literally back as soon as I post that.
>>695936842
theres gotta be life out there but the universe is too big to know where dood.
Pillars of Creation in Infared from a different angle
![[strikeout]an erect nipple[strikeout] Mayall's object, two galaxies colliding at a 90 degree angle.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oJqQFBW.jpg "[strikeout]an erect nipple[strikeout] Mayall's object, two galaxies colliding at a 90 degree angle.jpg")
What could it have been, /b/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dOAQxF8My0
Well, yeah. I fucking do.
>>695937592
I love the whole world, and every other planet in our universe.
>>695936903
Mars is our best shot. Venus is way too hot, and Mercury is completely out of the question for colonization. However, some moons of gas giants like Titan or Europa may be colonizable
>>695937507
My uncle's mixtape
>>695934353
>RIP Pillars of Creation
I guess this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceP_zvyM3A4
>>695937691
One day we'll go there. Maybe not us, but some day, some human will be there. And it will be amazing.
Nebulae are amazing.
>>695938594
The Universe is weird and wonderful and amazing and unbelievable at the same time.
>>695938714
Really puts everything in perspective, doesn't it?
Artists rendition of Saturns moon, Titan
Let's get some really neat illustrations in this thread
Love you, /b/.
>>695935046
Amazing stuff and cool thread. Personally, I find subscribing to the multiverse makes everything so much simpler so I'm willing to look past the whole proof requirement
Well that's about all I've got, /b/. Lets try and keep this thread alive. Space threads are always the best threads on /b/.
Some cool shit to check out:
apod.nasa.gov
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdNtqpHlU1pCaVy2wlzxHKQ
Here's an illustrated wallpaper
>>695933351
A very many very smart people have wondered about what lies beyond our reach and understanding. Why not seek to define the parameters that bound the limitless expanse which we call our homes, for better or worse. For some this understanding may provide us with tools to conquer the universe in the same way we have conquered our own planet. If we have no living neighbors then perhaps we shall explore for the sake of exploring as we have done for all our history. If life does exist we could dramatically enrich our knowledge of cultures, art, and technology from such diverse perspectives. If we end up discovering an unwelcoming intelligence then we as humans are well experienced to neutralize the threat.
Upon seeing this thread I can't help feel many unsettling emotions. You see those who care emotionally about space are dreamers, and apparently there aren't enough dreamers who are also very good with mathematics. Theoretical physicists are very rarely dreamers as they have trained their skills on a narrow lens distorted like a kaleidoscope by the likes of Einstein and his poisonous approximations.
But fear not, soon people like myself will give you what you have been anxiously waiting for: a complete and accurate description of the universe. But we forewarned, you might not like what you see.
>>695936175
Just did, saw the North america nebula, what a beauty
>>695933351
Is there a universe opposite of ours to balance it becuz everthin in nature has balance like our universe +1 and other universe is -1
>>695935934
The pic on the left is very low res, and primitive but I'd say that back in 1879 it must have blown people's minds when they happened to see it.
Don't worry. Everything that happens is a coincidence. There isn't life like us out there, and for a good reason. We are a planetary virus. It's natural to feel sorry for existing. Our purpose is to taint the purity of the universe.
>>695933351
It's deep. Kind of like how ants thing the distance from LA to Nyc is a great distance with lots of hazards.
I believe that there is hundreds of galaxies just like ours with plants just like ours with other supreme gentleman and femenists. I do believe that the DNA has mutated differently and that there are absolutely major differences between our worlds.
I also would like to know if anyone has some real fucking proof that aliens live here, visit here, or have visited here in the past. I'm tired of these conspiracy sites with fabricated bullshit. I want some fucking facts and I'll go tor if I have to
>>695936903
I hear it's also quite a bit colder on Mars than it is on Earth as well.
>>695939180
Beautiful......
Volcano erupting on Io
Uranus Crescent
>>695939727
>so I'm willing to look past the whole proof requirement
Please don't. If you want to head down that road, might as well go full retard and just start believing in God.
Evidence is what makes science science. Discard that and you might as well believe in magical fairies.
Also, Lawrence Krauss is an asshole.
>>695940142
It is colder, but believe it or not, on the Martian equator during the summer it can get as warm as 35 degrees Fahrenheit. It's not great, but it's remarkably similar to Earth.
>>695941208
I might be wrong and it might be 35 degrees Celsius, but if that's the case that would be even better.
>>695940142
>quite a bit colder on Mars
Yeah, that's what no atmosphere gets you. The greenhouse effect is real. It's also what makes Venus too hot.
Didn't see it posted. I'll post my fav space image. Some anon said it was fake but I have done a decent amount of research.
Eridanus supervoid. 1.8 billion light years across.
What's actually in there, anons?
>>695941431
>What's actually in there
Galactus, feeding.
>>695941431
Maybe it's the result of a huge explosion caused by a super advanced civilization that made a grave error and destroyed everything they built. Just thinking out loud.
>>695941431
It is fake. Eridanus? Erid-anus
>>695941208
>35 degrees Fahrenheit
That's just a little bit colder than what it was here in my neck of the woods a couple weeks ago. No joke! I was in the house wearing a flannel shirt with a blanket pulled up to my neck and the heat on.
From the east coast of Canada, btw.
>>695941105
Science doesn't normally have evidence, generally it has theory.
The globe earth theory has never been fully proven, while bringing up any adverse theories, one would be seen as something of a charlatan.
>>695941387
I also heard that Venus has non stop acid rain and the air is mostly made of Sulphur. True?
>>695941871
>The globe earth theory has never been fully proven
Thanks for letting me know I can ignore you further with no consequences. No sense talking to a crank.
>>695934513
Fuck... I didn't know that
>>695941881
Sulfuric acid rain in the upper atmosphere. Doesn't hit the ground.
Atmosphere is mostly CO2. Greenhouse effect indeed.
>>695941871
>Science doesn't normally have evidence, generally it has theory.
Please be bait.
People cannot be this fucking dim, surely?
>The globe earth theory has never been fully proven
Ah. yes, you are bait. thankyou.
Idiot.
>>695941703
Must have been a really, really big fuck up.
>>695933351
I don't care.
>I don't, care!
For fuck's sake... one inaccessible reality I do not or will not have access to is no different to another inaccessible reality I do not or will not have access to. I will (most likely) never leave this planet. You may never leave this planet. We will most likely never leave this galaxy unless something fantastic falls within our grasp. We can speculate and observe and forecast and simulate all we want, but that's all we can really, feasibly, do.
That's it.
It doesn't... matter. It's the bottomless torrent of existence, to which we prescribe certain values towards. Fractal, Closed, Open, Expanding, Contracting... Bubbling... it doesn't matter.
And everyone still wants to permanently live on Mars- notwithstanding the impending flat Earth bait. Good riddance- I hope you break your brittle spines after the fact.
>>695933703
for anybody curious, that's a hole drilled mars's surface from the curiosity rover
>>695942244
>Doesn't hit the ground.
that's because at ground level the temperature is 460°C, and the atmospheric pressure equivalent to that 1km below the surface of the ocean.
acid rain gets boiled away before it even hits the surface.
>>695942244
In other words, uninhabitable...
>>695941431
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMB_cold_spot?wprov=sfla1
Basically there's a cold spot in the cosmic microwave background which is really really weird, and we don't totally know what the effect of it is, but the most likely one is a supervoid, which is basically about 100 Mpc wide or so gap in space with pretty much nothing in it. If this is the case, it would apparently be the largest structure in the observable universe.
>>695942548
That was pretty damn cringe worthy ya fedora
>>695942011
Crank maybe,
But we are moving throughout our galaxy on three planar rotation and somehow we have been navigating for 5000 years one solitary star. How does that make any kind of sense .
Ask questions sheeple!
>>695935477
That doesn't sound entirely feasible.
The nature of the universe is expansive, and notice how any time we go in either direction- as big/far away as possible or small/close up as possible we continue to discover additional layers of shit. i.e. We thought cells were the smallest component, then we discovered what composed cells, then we discovered what composed atoms and so on.
We've yet to see any kind of definitive boundary on either end of the spectrum.
It seems likely that beyond the "edge" of the expanding universe would likely exist some sort of extra-dimensional space potentially containing other expanding/contracting universes which could possibly merge on contact. To comprehend/"visualize" that kind of state of matter may literally be beyond the 3rd dimension, which is inherently beyond our understanding.
Consider if we discovered 4th or 5th-dimensional entities. Just by their very nature of having another dimension on our perspective, they would likely understand infinitely more than we ever possibly could, a deity from our perspective
Think of communicating with a 2 dimensional entity, who is only aware of 2 axis in all things with no concept of depth. No matter how intelligent a 2 dimensional entity ever became, their understanding of their universe would likely never even approach ours as we understand a broader spectrum of dimensions simply by existing.
>>695942761
>what is an aerostat station
>no let me just live on the uninhabitable surface
>>695942839
I don't care.
>>695942527
Just a freakish cold snap. But very weird nonetheless. I mean, one night, the weather man on the news said that the temps would drop down into the single digits (in Celsius) overnight with a risk of frost! Other than the North and South poles, when's the last time you heard of something like that in the middle of summer??
>>695935018
do ever think everything is moving the other way we think
Mathematician with a little experience in cosmology (mostly brane theory) here
Ask me something
>>695941588
Kek
>>695942905
If you take the laws of physics to be what they are, it makes perfect sense. Disregarding quantum effects (which are probably non-negligible but not that important), given the universe's conditions right after all the initial hydrogen formed, Laplace's demon could predict every single event after that. It's an amazing universe, but not a crazy one.
>>695942761
>uninhabitable
Very, in its current state.
On the other hand, if you could figure out how to oxidize the CO2 to carbonate (solid), you've got a good candidate for terraforming.
>>695942905
Also, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 5000, and I wouldn't call the Sun solitary. Also, what's "three-planar rotation" supposed to mean?
>>695943112
Explain Baryon Asymmetry.
>>695942905
Also why does moon follow the speed and trajectory of the constellations?
>>695933351
Do you have stairs in your house?
>>695933351
I like ur dedication of making these threads every Friday u wanna study physics or somthing?
>>695943112
Pic for proof
>>695933351
Probably a lot of dust
>>695943390
Yeah but we weren't fucking navigating 4.5 million years ago dipshit..
>>695943416
I've got no fucking clue. Isn't that an open problem?
>>695943228
But how far off is this in the future before the technology is actually capable of doing this?
>>695943444
It dosent? It moves in the same direction of the ears rotation because it's tidaly locked if that's what u mean but What the fuck is wrong with u?
>>695943133
>>695943444
It...uh...doesn't?
>>695943112
Can you disprove, by means of a counter-example, the Goldbach conjecture?
>>695943741
Yes. Why is there more matter than antimatter?
>>695943833
No funding, no progress.
Got no idea, really. I haven't studied the problem in any great depth. If you had the proper engineered organisms, it might take only a century or two to significantly alter the atmosphere. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event for something similar in Earth's history.
>>695943095
Da fuck does that mean?
>>695936842
Always a good question. It seems inevitable that in our bordering-on-infinite (from our eyes,) universe, that other life would bound to have evolved. Life on our planet has proven itself to be extremely hardy and has gone through some serious shit.
There's quite a few factors that limit any life form's ability to either communicate or visit one another.
First, life needs to evolve on a stable planet, obviously. But then there needs to be organisms that evolve to be highly intelligent, no guarantees there. Then the organism needs to be social to some degree so they can eventually form a society which can produce technology. Then the organism must have a successful industrial revolution in which they do not fuck their own planet before they're ready to leave or kill themselves off through war/weaponry.
Once they've successfully not-killed themselves, they'd finally need to enter a "planetary civilization," in which they dissolve most borders and cultural lines creating a planetary culture in which the majority of their citizenry would contribute to common goals benefiting their entire species. Even we haven't gotten that far yet.
Then, finally, once a civilization has reached planetary status, (which we would surmise only a small fraction of life would ever reach,) there is the dilemma of space travel. Unless sci-fi "warp drive" technology is avaible, the kind that can manipulate space/time enabling one to travel vast distances in a reasonable amount of time, then space-travel would take an absurd duration simply to get anywhere.
Meaning that all travel would have to occur on "generation ships." Extremely large ships that are entirely self-sustaining in which hundreds possibly thousands of generations of an organism will live and propagate on the ship in hopes that eventually their descendants will arrive at the destined location.
Without space-time manipulation travel will take centuries/millennia limiting space travel massively.
>>695942976
You should because noone wants to listen to your close minded bullshit.
>>695942548
I mean, really nothing matters at all. That's the foundation of nihilism, which is the only philosophy of its type that actually makes any sense.
But dwelling on that is dangerous, since it doesn't take into account the fact that humans are not totally rational creatures, we are born with a certain goal-orientation and sense of meaning. That's why we should really all be absurdists and/or existentialists, because nothing matters, but that sucks, so we should just create our own meaning & goals. Otherwise, what is there to live for?
>>695943416
I'll take a crack at this:
So, basically you have two kinds of matter with opposite charges, which we call matter and antimatter. When the two types meet, the particles of each annihilate in equal quantities. We know that the universe produces both types of matter, and it doesn't seem to favor one over the other (and why would it? it's not like one is "better" than the other, they're just opposing charges). However, despite all of this, it seems like the universe created a little bit more matter than antimatter at the beginning, and thus not all of the matter was annihilated, which is why we have stars and planets and people and cole slaw. But we don't know why that happened, it's not something we would predict to happen given our current model of the universe, so clearly we're missing something. We don't know what that is.
>>695942905
If space is such a strongly vaccuous area how can our relatively weak gravity hold our atmosphere ?
>>695944355
I wouldn't even know where to begin with that problem. I haven't the faintest idea.
>>695944640
>nothing matters, but that sucks, so we should just create our own meaning & goals
Wild Nietzschean spotted.
Not an insult.
>>695944355
It doesn't matter .
>>695944640
So what exactly is Dark matter, then?
>>695944786
https://www.quora.com/Why-wouldnt-Earths-atmosphere-escape-into-space
>>695933351
There are "alternate dimensions" but not an infinite number of them, as some people think. There has to be frequency separation between the universes otherwise there would be significant bleedover. (what some people believe are "ghosts" are actually just an example of this kind of bleedover from a closely adjacent dimension.)
Why I say not infinite is, there is only a certain band of frequency in which a dimension exists. Similar to how there's only a specific range of visible light. And like say FM radio, yes there are technically infinite frequencies between one end of the range and the other, there are in reality only a finite number of discrete station frequencies available.
The "dark matter" we are researching is actually the gravity from neighboring dimensions bleeding over into our own; gravity actually bleeds over quite a bit, and this accounts for the "extra unexplained unseen source of mass" aka Dark Matter. And by extension, massive sources of gravity such as stars and galaxies etc. very likely exist in many neighboring dimension. Singularity points such as black holes exist in the same place in all dimensions, like anchoring points. And the aliens of course not only have mastered galactic travel but also dimensional travel, which in many ways renders normal relativistic "space travel" obsolete. That is all for now.
>>695945046
Nigger matter
>>695945150
Kek. you have a phenomenal imagination tho no joke.
>>695934646
I don't think we actually know this for sure. The expansion of the universe literally is the expansion of space. Outside of that expansion is nothingness, or no-space. It's not space expanding into another space, it's space expanding into non-space...
>>695934646
Why is everyone interested in this but never actually Google's it. It wouldn't expand into nothing there's no "wall" its either infinite of is self contained and would expand into itself.
>>695944465
We've also only been looking, for, what, 45 years or so? I'm not surprised we haven't picked up anything within a 45 light year radius, that's tiny compared to the size of the galaxy.
Plus, we don't actually know how they communicate. It may be they've found something better than communicating with long-distance photon transmission, so we won't pick up anything they send.
>>695945046
We don't know. Dark matter is just the name we give to whatever extra mass is holding our galaxies together. It may be a new type of matter that only interacts gravitationally, or it might be something like a load of extra black holes everywhere that we didn't account for. That second one got a lot more credibility recently actually, see this for more info: http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-scientist-suggests-possible-link-between-primordial-black-holes-and-dark-matter
>>695945150
Frequency? Frequency in what? What's vibrating? How do you know there are alternate dimensions (I'm assuming you mean universes, not like extra spatial dimensions)? How do you know the number? How do you know where gravity comes from?
>>695945568
This
There's one theory out there that the entire universe was created for you to incubate, and only you. Every human in existence is you in multiple reincarnations, and everything else is solely there for you to mature. It's kinda weird to think about but it's nice to imagine. Space is our infinite fetus until you've lived every human life in existence.
>>695933351
did you saw that??
>>695946489
I read that Creepypasta too.
>>695946644
lets zoom a litle
>>695946710
more zoom wtf?????!!!!
>>695946757
oh shit waddup XD
>>695945263
There it is
>>695946803
its dat boi XD
>>695934884
exactly what I think. I feel that all of my atoms are universes that are destroyed constantly.
>>695933351
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>>695946854
Oh, go to bed, will ya?
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>>695946854
haha keked and cheked
You are all now aware that Mars is the only planet whose sole inhabitants are robots.
>>695935369
binaural
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>>695946854
Fuck! jumped from my bed, spoky
>>695946966
Its my theory that Mars is where MadMax is from, prior to the complete destruction of their planet, of course.
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>>695946854
jajaja buen meme :v
>>695944582
It's more close-minded to simply hand-wave my bullshit as close-minded, though. If anything, it's been given more thought than you're giving me credit for.
Which is fine. You certainly showed me, there's no possible way I can continue to learn about the world or expand my percepts, because of what I've come to conclude on my own time, for myself and no one else in particular. It's like I just looked outside and magically found the edge to post with.
Nobody should have to accept that their perspective is close-minded, simply because someone else disagrees with it.
>>695944640
Sure. I'm an absurdist at heart, anyways. I just get unreasonably upset/tired after seeing the vaguely similar broad question, over and over and over, and over... it's like beating a dead horse with a cosmic stick of hot plasma. It's a knee-jerk reaction at this point.
>Why
>Why, why?
How deep does the rabbit hole go? Well, "it depends". It overall just seems like it goes deep. No quantifiable measure, just... deep. As deep as you can reach, as deep as you can wade, as deep as you can sink. And there are probably directions that you may never sink towards. You may even sink in directions you have yet to comprehend.
That's the summary of most theories, hypotheses, or conjecture or even just the momentary idealizations upon existence. As pretentious as that sounds. Everyone has a certain way of looking at it.
It's a gross mess, and it's fantastic all the while. Everything and nothing, which is mostly then just non-novel if you try to consider "all of it" on equal terms; I just can't concern myself with the entirety of what might be the Milky Way if I'm but a finite machine on a ball orbiting another ball of fire. I die in about 70 years notwithstanding intervention.
And all of that is simply a consideration of what appears to be the universe and all that it entails.
>>695944582
Not the word of God. Unless you want that.
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>>695946854
damn, everyfucking time -.- xD
>>695933543
because Mars has an atmosphere it takes about the same delta-V to reach Mars as it does to reach the Moon
Mars' atmosphere also makes for a less lethal environment to settle in, and allows the possibility of terraforming
Luna is simply too small to hold any atmosphere, so any colony would be trapped indoors or underground, and any breach would be quickly fatal
>>695934867
Saturn has the largest hill sphere and consequently the most moons in the Solar system
and its moons do crazy shit
>U-shaped relative orbits bc LaGrange points
>retrograde orbits
>atmospheres
>crashing into each other making rings
>herding asteroids in the rings
>>695934968
lol what a shit hole
>>695947286
I'm saying your mind set is cancerous becuase you believe your intelligent when you're nothing special, you don't know shit about shit becuase if you did you wouldn't think you knew as much.
>>695947953
Is it true that some of Saturn's moons have atmospheres similar to Earth's?
I wish aliens would come or at least communicate with some of us who are ready and won't be shocked when they get here.
>>695934464
That picture is of Nibiru. It's supposedly a rogue planet that is going to crash into the earth.
>>695934513
>>695935188
Mars has arouras
but they are scattered across the planet and small, even for the size of the planet
it is believed they are caused by local magnetic fields as Mars does not have a magnetosphere
>>695934197
booty like 2 planets
>>695948339
yo momma
>>695948213
Absolutely incorrect
>>695938070
Iapetus was the Odessy's destination in the book version of 2001: A Space Odessy
Clarke chose it bc its "eye" appears to be a strobe light from Earth
the Monolith was found on Iapetus' surface in the center of that "eye"
>>695948634
Look it up.
>>695946091
>Frequency? Frequency in what? What's vibrating? How do you know there are alternate dimensions (I'm assuming you mean universes, not like extra spatial dimensions)? How do you know the number? How do you know where gravity comes from?
I said frequency as a placeholder word for whatever it actually is. It's a good analogy though...all realities are layered on top of eachother, but we only can perceive one, similar to how all available radio stations are being broadcast simultaneously, but you can only tune into one (though you can kinda hear two stations bleeding over to eachother). I believe it's very likely that objects planet sized and above exist in a similar fashion in all universes. In fact given the nature of causality, it is entirely possible that all alternate universes look exactly the same physically, unless each has some kind of difference in starting conditions. I don't know the number of dimensions, I just think it's not infinite. String theory has 13 dimensions I think, that seems like a good starting place.
Everything is borrowed energy. I think the universe expands to a point and then collapses in on itself and everything is redistributed. Such as atoms and elements. The big bang is probably one of many.
>>695948914
I personally can't wait for the next big bang, gravity causes humans to experience things slower right?
once the universe starts collapsing, I guess that means life will just drag on even at a slower pace.
>>695941431
A supposed reason is the idea that an advanced
civilized alien species is consuming stars for energy consumption.
>>695949160
I was thinking maybe it's like a balloon. It's will eventually pop. Then everything drifts into the larger "universe".
>>695948177
if you take a broad view of "similar" yes
Titan's atmosphere is about the same pressure at the surface as Earth's
Titan's atmosphere it is composed mainly of methane, and the temperature ranges on Titan go from just below methane's freezing point to just above its liquid evaporation point. So solid, liquid, and vapor methane exist on Titan the same way solid, liquid, and vapor water exist on Earth
but that is about where the similarities end
>>695948914
I think most astrophysicists are leaning toward a big rip rather than a big crunch, given that the expansion of the universe seems to be accelerating. The stuff further away is expanding faster. But then again if everything starts expanding at near light-speed, everything also starts becoming infinitely heavy/massive, which may trigger some other unforseen state
>>695949545
And what are the differences?
ITT a bunch a 12 year olds who watch vsauce shitposting 'theorys".
>>695948732
I'm confident that I am more knowledgeable about nibiru than you are. The pic ib in question is v838 monocerotis. It wasn't and still isn't headed towards earth. Get time at an observatory and track it yourself.
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>>695949593
But light speed is the cosmic speed limit. Nothing can travel faster than light that we know of. Even when traveling light speed time stands still, so if the universe expands at light speed then it has already infinitely expanded because time is not holding it back.
>>695948759
Then don't use placeholder words like that, it's confusing.
Why do you think any of the stuff after the whole frequency thing is likely? Also, string theory doesn't make any testable predictions, so its validity is dubious at best.
>>695949160
I mean, it's not like you'd notice if time went more slowly than it does now. Your thoughts would slow down too, so it would feel exactly the same.
>>695948914
This is one idea about what happens. We don't actually have any idea about the origin of the universe beyond the big bang theory, so we don't actually have any idea what's actually going on.
>>695949311
Unlikely. It's never aliens.
>>695949324
The balloon analogy is actually called the "big rip" hypothesis for how the universe will end. But thinking of the universe as a balloon floating around in space is really the wrong way to think about it. The universe, as far as we know, it just everything. It's not "in" something else, it just is. We probably can't work out what that actually means/looks like because we aren't really wired to understand things like 4D space.
>>695949593
Actually, space IS expanding faster than light speed. But that doesn't actually increase the mass of the matter inside it, because remember that it's the space expanding, not the matter, which doesn't actually move.
>>695949853
What could I say that would prove to you that it's not Nibiru?
>>695949593
one theory I saw a while ago proposed that eventually expansion would tear everything apart leaving just energy
and that energy would eventually be dispersed evenly across the universe
and that condition is a probable condition for causing a big bang
>>695949324
That is hard to imagine since nothing(as far as we know) can be seen entering the far reaches of our bubble.
>>695949593
This makes more sense, as things will lose energy and approach the big 0. I like to think the entire expanse of our universe will disappear in a split second causing a much larger big bang than before.
>>695948096
When did... I suggest that I believed I was intelligent or superior? I'm not God, I'd like to say it again. Nothing I'm posting is absolute. None of it is a surefire truth-claim that cannot be vetted, nor is it wholly comprehensive, or even truly forthcoming.
Are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to... what... post with whatever measure of effort I feel like? Am I not allowed, by your sole standards, to be a faggot?
Because boy oh boy, does that make you special.
>becuase
You're making a lot of assumptions there. And you're really making a mistake in assuming you know anything worth implying about our good friends who used to eat lead, do math with triangles, and allegedly have some really, really interesting discourse. It doesn't read that way.
The mindset I have, is not cancerous. It's an -open- mindset. Nothing is sacred; everything is subject to reasonable doubt, skepticism, or an attempt to learn more- and make vaguely original conclusions if possible (and if even necessary, because most of the work is done for you when people think things and have discussions for your benefit). If I think it's stupid, I think it's stupid. It could still have merit, and I'm willing to search for that. Then it becomes a matter of my coming to terms with the fact, for the better.
But when it's demonstrated that the content of the thing is question is either tried and true, or void of value, I think it's stupid, and it has no merits that are being made apparent.
>if you did
Don't act as if you know anything about the one line of Socrates embedded in pop-culture, more than simply knowing it, because you know little to nothing about what it'd meant to imply. You only know the folk interpretation.
Why?
>becuase
Because I've done more than just assume I know everything. You don't want to read it, that's fine- be the myopic individual you decry- chin up.
>nothing special
Remember when I said I didn't care?
>it doesn't matter
>especially if you're this silly
>>695949982
It's stacking the velocity of expansion each point in space isn't going faster than light
>>695950026
I don't know the science of it but I just feel like this is the answer
>>695933351
Недавно же обнаружили, что оказывает вселенная не бесконечная, а значит и шанс на появление жизни в мире крайне мала.
>>695949778
temperature
composition (Titan is mainly carbon gases), causing it to be nearly opaque in our visible spectrum
the "water" is liquid methane and the "land" is solid methane and water (ice)
the Sun's light provides (I think, not gonna bother looking it up) 1/100th the energy per square meter as it does on Earth (hence the lower temperature in spite having an atmosphere made almost entirely of "greenhouse" gases)
>>695950339
How you feel about a hypothesis is often not correlated with that hypothesis' validity. Don't believe something just because it feels good. You can go to science hell for that.
>>695950002
>What could I say that would prove to you that it's not Nibiru?
No need, that's exactly what i'm saying
>>695950661
Sorry meant >>695948213
>>695933351
I'm worried that the answer to the Fermi paradox is that we really are the most advanced species in the (local) universe.
>>695950568
Would terraforming be possible at some point in the future? And would this make the moons more habitable?
>>695935110
Balls of steel
Well, So, you know how the universe is expanding, right? Eventually, the universe could slow down, and start retracting, and getting smaller and smaller, and when the universe gets so small that the mass in it has nowhere to go, there is another "Big Bang", thus, the universe is a repeating cycle of the Big Bang.
>>695950813
Theoretically, yeah. It just takes a ton of advanced tech, energy, and time, none of which we have right now. Given those things, yeah you could probably terraform Titan or Europa or Enceladus or something.
>>695951071
This is called the "big crunch" theory of the end of the universe by the way, at least up until the "next big bang" part.
>>695950813
probably not as terraforming would require raising the temperature quite a bit which would melt the ice and boil the methane
>>695950651
Well, I "feel" like it is true because it would bring us to the beginning and explain how the big bang happened in the first place.
Basically we are repeating the same thing over and over unless we can understand how to change it
>>695933543
What others said. But there's more to our focus on Mars than potential colonization.
The search for life, and the history of our solar system. There are deep insights to be unlocked on Mars.
>>695951370
Not that anon but you sound like you're high. I would know, I'm high too
So, slightly different note, who's hyped for No Man's Sky?
>>695951370
The universe is not a novel, it does not have to follow a narrative that's laid out for us to "fix" or "transcend" or whatever. It's not calibrated for us, it just is. Just because something is an explanation that sounds poetic or even "good" doesn't mean it's true, it needs math and testable predictions behind it or it's meaningless.
>>695950805
I know of 3 answers to the Fermi paradox
>the inverse square law of energy transmission drops any signal below the noise threshold before it reaches us
>Sol is an early 2nd generation star, so life supporting stars are to early in their cycle to have developed a species capable of EM transmissions
>there is a better means of communication than EM transmission that we are not yet capable of using or listening to
>>695951449
>There are deep insights to be unlocked on Mars.
I agree with this
>>695951621
Somewhat hype. Been enjoying Stellaris
>>695950159
>when did I suggest that I believed I was intelligent or superior
"There is no more ways in which I can learn about the world."
I'm not saying you can't have opinions or think something is stupid I'm saying the thing you originally thought was stupid is just your own ego. And yeah the Socrates quote was over used and edgy but it still applies to everything even cosmology which you aperrantly know so much about you can choose what is pointless to think about and what matters and what dosnt.
>>695951676
>The universe is not a novel
Yes it fucking is.
>>695951714
>>there is a better means of communication than EM transmission that we are not yet capable of using or listening to
quantum entanglement being the biggest possibility
>>695951953
And if FTL travel remains impossible for even advanced species, gravitational waves could be a possibilty.
>>695951908
Literally what. why would you think something like that
>>695951953
Actually, quantum entanglement can't be used to transmit information faster than light, it's called the no-communication theorem. There might be something else they've figured out though, so the general idea is still valid.
>>695950002
>Actually, space IS expanding faster than light speed. But that doesn't actually increase the mass of the matter inside it, because remember that it's the space expanding, not the matter, which doesn't actually move.
Yes, but I'm talking about the secondary expansion of objects within the universe, not the outer "edge" which indeed is space itself expanding. I'm talking about expansion being actually accelerated by "dark energy." The light-speed limit is only a problem when attempting to accelerate an object beyond light speed using some physical force, because through e=mc2 the weight of both the object and the rocket you're using to push it approach infinity. But if objects are being pushed by some little-understood universal force such as dark energy, this limit may not exist. OR every object in the entire universe could eventually be moving at 0.999999999999 C in all directions, which would be pretty spectacular also. Probably everything would already break down into subatomic particles long before we reach those speeds. And then exists the largest existing space where a universe used to be...but without another thing to compare it to, the largest thing might as well be the smallest thing.
>>695952188
>The theorem is built on the basic presumption that the laws of quantum mechanics hold.
Maybe we were wrong.
>>695952142
>>695952188
>Actually, quantum entanglement....
and any FTL means of travel makes EM transmission strong enough to remain above the noise threshold "snailmail" and possibly less energy efficient than couriers
>>695939829
Very nice! Saved
>>695951071
I feel this is unlikely, as the galaxies at the edge of the visible universe reached "escape velocity" from the universe's center of gravity millions of years ago, accelerating beyond the ability to be reversed ever again by gravity. The objects that still exist, that is...
>>695934646
It's my theory that there is no space outside of the universe. As far as I can see it, mass and energy create space and motion creates time, though most physics are built backwards.
As momentum expands outwards in the form of light, space is created around it. Mass works in largely the same way, creating a bend in space to support it's gravitational field, and it can be thought of that until that space is bent in some way it doesn't really exist in our universe. It could also be thought of as (especially if you believe that we live in a simulation) that space is more or less procedurally generated as needed once matter enters.
Philosophers will always try to explain time by explaining motion as the a priori phenomenon. Special relativity explains time dilation as a function of velocity. I believe that time is a phenomenon that exists not to explain motion, but to express it. When something is moving close to the speed of light (speed of gravitational waves, i.e. speed of space creation) time is poorly defined as it seeks to explain matter moving through space that doesn't exist yet. If you were to attain absolute zero velocity (idk how or relative to what) time should slow in the opposite way that time dilation works, and time travel could be possible.
but I'm kinda drunk so what do I know.
no electric universers?
>>695953451
For the tenth time space isn't expanding into nothing jfc.
>>695934500
I'd like to think eart is like an atom to the universe, like the universe is a being itself, and when we die we become part of the universe and understand infinity because we decompose and become part of what makes an atom in the universe.
>>695951813
I... what? I know everything about cosmology?
When did I make bold, detailed claims about cosmology, besides briefly listing off some popular theories by name only?
>and where did that quote come from
And it's not ego. It's self-confidence in a conclusion/s, decidedly so. That's fairly normal for people. I will not compromise or twist things, because that breeds a lack of integrity on my part, and it's disingenuous to everyone else who actually means to get something from interacting with me for whatever reason.
To add... it's my opinion. Formed from the perspective of my own persons, using scrutiny to analyze the conclusions and opinions of others- which they freely share. I'm not dictating what or how people should think; I've simply said something. I simply think something is stupid- if you take that to heart because it's your personal belief on which you have built your entire concept of existence around... well, I'm sorry.
But again, it shouldn't really hit home too hard, because it's an opinion- and you can think that the thing I thought originally was stupid (?). I don't understand that part, because I haven't changed my ways of thinking. I'm just using more characters to better expand/shit-post on parts of my original post/tangents you seem to take issue with.
The OP wanted to know what I thought. I thought that, ultimately, the metaphysical truths of things become such that it means nothing to continue considering the ever-present relative truths of things, if you're only concerned with the metaphysical nature of the "ultimate realness"; you may as well not exist if this is your only concern.
>>695942548
>I don't care.
>I don't
>I
>I think that
>I alone think that
That's only condescending if you take it in a very wrong way.
I really need to drive this home; this is my opinion. I most likely have reasons for believing such things. Yet, I haven't attached a series of documents and graphs to it. You can simply not care about it.
