Why is loli wrong? THIS IS NOT A FUCKING LOLI THREAD OK!?!
ok /b lets be real for a second on the whole loli lover stuff. I think loli should be socially acceptable not just because "I think it's right".
As a person who was molested, I see loli as an outlet for my stress over what happened. That is the great thing about art and hentai. There are no limits, you can draw, view and enjoy what you want because there are no consequences (well there shouldn't be, you still go to jail if caught with loli)
Ok. I was molested as a kid. I know what happened to me was wrong and it hurt me severely, mentally and emotionally. So if anyone is qualified to talk about this subject I think it's me. I was groomed to enjoy sex as a child by people older than me. People I trusted, and that warped my view on morality. I always knew I shouldn't let people touch me because my mother said so but I never reasoned why. Well I know the exact reasons WHY you shouldn't molest children. I think a person who has been molested knows better than most the affects that leaves. The realization that you think differently than other children, the isolation, the fear that you will get in trouble if you tell others. So many reasons to never molest a child. I have lived through them all. I am NOT just throwing around rhetoric.
Now I'm an artist. and I use art as an escape from reality, away from Morales, away from boundaries. It helps me have control over what happened in the past. Loli characters are not real people. So I don't have to treat them like real people. You can make the argument "but people who like loli don't have empathy!" Fuck off with that. First off you don't know that, AND you don't need empathy for a drawing. You need Empathy for real children not drawings.
Art, Hentai and more importantly loli make feel more in control over my life. I never feel like I'm going to do something to a child, so why do you feel that way?
>this is not a fucking loli thread
ok so post non lewd lolis, gotchya
/e/ is essentially the undefined loli board. just look for the "small breasts" thread. there's even an "oppai loli" on there, plain as can be. the only problem is only it's slow
>>695869216
not really looking for loli. I'm looking to have a conversation.
>>695867833
could you post where you commonly post your art?
>>695869671
I don't post online. I just draw on my tablet and save it later for reference for how far I've progressed.
I really just want people to see that exploring the fictional realm as much as you want even sexually, isn't dangerous.
looks like no one wants to talk about this huh? I guess we all just want to say how all loli art is for pedos without a shred of proof or logic?
>>695869944
its due to the servers being in america, which are absolutely stingy with children.
it doesn't make sence still, since guro is much more well accepted.
>>695870470
OP here
yes. That's hypocrisy. But I understand it. If people think loli breeds pedophillia (even though we don't know how many pedophiles exist or how long that taboo has existed).
fact is, people are more ok with the idea of a child being killed than of a child being molested. and as a person who was molested I say fuck that noise.
Who gives a shit, enjoy these non-H lolis
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>>695872449
That will be all.
I hate you so much OP
Have a young daughter and then see how artistic it is for older men to molest her
>>695872683
looks like you half read the entire first post. Of fucking course. Typical 4chan faggot. I WAS molested! I think I know how wrong that was. and I can still see that people should have the freedom of art.
See? Kids are hungry for huge adult cocks.
>>695867833
Tldr op is still a fag op kys
>>695867833
To answer your question, I don't see the harm in it.
Loli is not bad. Not totally my thing but if it victimizes no human than everything is fine. Same thing with furry porn why demonize people for enjoying it. I don't know because humans need something to hate that is smaller than what truly deserves their despise.
>>695872281
I want to explode together with Megumin.
>>695873376
Thanks onichan bro, I wish people could stop being so spastically stupid about loli. Sigh. Maybe one day.
>>695873626
Okay, so more discussion time.
Personally, it's a fantasy. You know? Like, no kid IRL is ever going to be as sexy and sexually aggressive as a 2d one. I have no worries about being attracted to kids because they're nothing like this.
>>695872613
that's a picture you idiot.
the point <========
you're fucking head <=======
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>>695873626
Besides, I like partners who are super enthusiastic and enjoying themselves and want to be there. Rape, not so much.
Same goes for my loli porn. I'd much rather see the loli be the instigator.
>>695874169
<==pic of you
>>695874644
Okay.
Thanks for contributing.
OP you're right. Just let me blow all of your minds by one simple explanation.
People world wide are addicted to pokemon go. What is Pokemon go? A game, where catch VIRTUAL animals also called pokemon and train them and let them fight against each other. In other words VIRTUAL ANIMAL abuse. So why aren't people getting sued for playing Pokemon? Because everybody playing it knows that it's fiction, like a book, like imagination, and NOT real life. Pokemon GO players aren't animal abusers.
Let's get back to OPs question. Is loli illegal for common sense? No, of course not because of the same reason. Loli I'd imagination or rather a fiction of an artist and everybody knows that since there's a big difference between loli and cp. One's real the other one isn't. I don't watch cp or feel attracted to any of it, it's quite the opposite. But I like loli nit because it's small children. Because it's hentai. I love anime, hentai and hentai images. Does this make me to a pedophile? No, I just have a weird fetish for drawn things.
>>695875090
Edit: I don't enjoy most of loli since its too much. But some of them are quite good.
>>695874797
And you lost me. Not a fan of forced cross dressing stuff. Thanks for the dump beforehand though. :3
>>695874892
lol np :D
have a special futa flavored loli
>>695867833
> I use art as an escape from reality, away from Morales....
Yeah, I hate the new black Spiderman too
>>695875403
aww yeee
>>695871234
We get it, you were molested, you're an oh so special snowflake and much deeper than these other perverts
>>695875655
no. I'm deeper than you. I am a pervert though. You're fucking shallow.
>>695873626
The last person I saw on 4chan sighing that his loli fetish isnt acvepted is in jail now
he was making and distributing irl CP
but constantly argued his loli was "ok" & didnt mean he was a pedophile
OP my girlfriend looks like a loli
>>695876027
guy was stupid. and he doesn't get that people don't like irl cp for a reason. Because it re abuses kids all over again.
I'm not him but you don't have to believe that. Doesn't mean I have CP. and I still think loli is ok.
>>695867833
loli is legal pedophilia, stfu
ITT: Molesters justifying their fantasy with children.
>>695876027
oh and another thing. I forgave the people who molested me and I want them to get help. I don't care if they are a pedophile. I want them to be happy. Just make better decisions.
>>695876416
I believe you meant "pedophile" idiot. And weed is illegal. and I'm sure people don't care.
No one is forcing you to look at loli bruh. Jeez.
>>695876513
daaaaannnng you're deep. This is some next-level inspiring out-of-the-darkness narrative type shit. Im moved; you moved me with this...
Should we call Oprah, you think?
>>695876639
Stfu, pedo
>>695876513
you dont care they made you gay?
>>695876890
what's the name of this fear again?
>>695867833
I really don't have an issue with it as long as you're not abusing any real kids. Fap on dude.
>>695876999
Trypophobia
>>695876999
tryptophobia, I think
>>695876939
nah, being gay is fun bro.
>>695876999
Trypophobia
>>695877018
If they'd see nude children and know they are safe, they'd fap too,
>>695867833
If you have to ask what's wrong with loli then you are so far below the average intelligence that there is no point in trying to communicate a rational explanation to why it is wrong. I get it maybe it's an art or some shit to deal with stress but it's wrong
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>>695873376
there was an entire volume of this guys reverse rape/loli, but i havent been able to find it. anyone got source?
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>>695876930
LOL? I think you meant pepepepepepepedodopepedophiphile
image limit reached, this thread can die now.
>>695877281
in other words, you dont know why so you're trying to shame others into believing you.
>>695877417
You can die, Loli is wrong so fuck images.
>>695877281
>says it's wrong
>gives no explanation
>has no real explanation
>insults intelligence
Intelligence:the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
How bout you learn how to do that and then form a proper answer? hm? k?
>>695877467
You're a perfect example
>>695867833
Im with you too op. I was molested multiple times in my life by various people, including family. I like loli, but never in my life would I get attracted to--or fuck a real kid. And honestly this whole "people who like lolis are pedophiles" bullshit pisses me off. I know damn well what a pedo is, and their effect on others, and me jerking it to a small drawn image of arbitrary age has none.
Also how would people make laws regarding loli? At what point would they say "this drawn character is too young". A character can be 18, and depending on the artstyle shes drawn in, she can look anywhere from 12 to 20. And then of course comes the whole mental thing. A human can be 34 years old, look 15, and still be legally fucked because they are actually 34. (think of Kitty Jung) So what matters isnt appearance, but actual age of the mind, which isnt something you can apply to art.
TL;DR why does it matter to people? just do you and stop looking for problems
ITT pedophiles try to justify themselves
>>695877601
i know what i think and know why i think it, can you say the same? I mean, you haven't so far, so probably not.
>>695877467
Other guy here (the guy who say pedophilia the nonexistent word). You are the worst op ever, you want people to get you wrong but you're a fucking fag who thinks he's 100% right, you'd fuck a loli, you fap on a loli, there are little girls even if they are fake. you're a pedo, kys
Quints for these pedophiles
>>695877692
That's what pedophiles say
>>695877712
LOL
>>695877843
im not the op, but i really like the line "[they] are little girls, even if they are fake", really drives it home how you cant tell the difference between reality and fiction
>>695867833
That's somewhere from probability theory area. Since we can neither prove, nor disprove that drawn children pornography encourage pedos to traumatize little kids, the best move is to put hardest boundaries to exlude any negative and unpunishable outcomes. Personally I think that exploiting little kids to satisfy your sexual urges is malicious shit and should be hardly punished.
>>695877712
you've said that like 3 times.
>>695877843
if you could kill pedos with that phrase we wouldn't have anymore in the world. You brain dead idiot. It's time to try another way of thinking.
>>695867833
Hi op
4 me loli is ok. Noboddy gets harmed. I like the pictures. Making storrys in my head. Phantasy. Imagination.
My mother was raped by her brother. She tealized it when i was 14. I would never do any harm to defencles little ones (or any other creature) but whats in my phantasy is my thing. So fuck you all who try to kill my imagination. Fuck you, simple minded, society programmed robots. Seriously, fuck u
>>695877999
They are 3d kids who sound like kids and pedophiles fap on them since it's illegal to fap on children
>>695877999
wow. So we can't say "they". whatever. it's proper english. People say "they" all the time when talking about characters. Don't see you complaining when it's you're fetish.
>>695878080
How about we pull some dateline NBC type stuff but instead when they walk into the house they get slaughtered
>>695876930
Pe do phi li a
>>695878025
Yeah. me too. But drawings aren't kids. and punish doesn't seem to stop pedo does it?
>>695878152
its not illegal to fap to child porn, it's illegal to have it and to create it. It's illegal to create it because children cannot give consent, and therefore are being raped.
if there are no real children involved, there is no crime. it is not a crime to be a pedophile or a lolicon.
>>695878227
>i cant argue against that, better mock how he talks
>>695876930
Children are children, real or animated
>>695877467
I'll walk you through a thought experiment to see if loli is wrong, ok?
>Be OP, just returning to his house after a visit to the local glory holes
>Call out "Immm hooooommmme Mom!" in an effeminate Nathan Lane soprano between cummy burps
>No response
>"Moooooom! I'm HOOOOOOMMMME, where are my TEEEEEENDIIIEEES?!"
>No response
>with growing dread you walk towards the basement door
>find it open
>your Mom is sitting at your computer silently, tears running down her face
what do you do besides belch more cum OP?
>>695878288
that would work....until they stopped taking the bait. LOL. You're so cute 4chan faggot.
>>695878375
"not illegal to fap to, but illegal to have it". Are you dumb, if you don't save them doesn't mean your legal
>>695878443
I love the experiment! if your mother doesnt like it then it must be bad!
you hear that gay people who were disowned by your parents? we just got proof that being gay is wrong, better watch your backs!
>>695878443
So in that situation. I explain to my mom my reasoning. I explain to her what's happened (she already knows I've been molested) and she will have a choice to either except that or reject me.
But I mean what I say. Loli isn't wrong. Moms gonna have to deal with that shit.
>>695878316
Punishment doesn't stop criminals in general, but it makes crimes less frequent an do not prevents their normalisation. Far better then nothing.
I hate niggers but
> Niggers>pedophiles
>>695878652
Loving someone who loves you is good. being a pedophile hidden behind anime is wrong
>>695878561
>well i cant argue against that, maybe if i try to misunderstand part of it he'll admit im right
>>695878717
>Mom, I've been molested so I'm now the pedophile
>>>>695878299
Pedophile means love children. I love them and never ever would harm them
>>695878799
>if you like something i dont approve of, that's wrong
>>695878717
>justifying your actions appealing to unsolved psychic traumas
You are disgusting, do you know that?
>>695878781
spoken like someone who has never been molested. Bitch you don't care about protecting kids. You just want pedos to die.
If you haven't noticed. Child molesters are pretty skilled at staying out of sight. You can say "DIE IN A FIRE" doesn't mean they'll do it.
I like how in this thread there are people who say loli lovers are pedophiles, and loli lovers just come with bad arguments like "UH GAY IS WRONG SINCE SOME PARENTS DON'T LIKE GAYS"
>>695878561
Are you dumb? That is literally what a NYS appeals court just found
that having seen a virtual image of CP isnt illegal if youve done nothing to create, store, download, transmit, share it, etc
otherwise you could get arrested for trolls posting CP on b that you scroll by
>>695879036
> telling someone their disgusting for trying to cope with trauma
Hello pot, meet kettle. He's black :D
>>695879149
link?
>>695879079
What does that even mean
>>695879135
that has been the rhetoric of every single anti loli on this page. Where the fuck are you even looking anon?
>>695879079
>Killing pedophiles
>Protects children from getting molested
Once you do the first the next follows
>>695879149
No, if you accidentally see it, it's ok. If you fap on it, it's not. you are fucking stupid, fucking pedo
>>695878652
Its not about the mother, its about the shame and guilt. The very idea of your mother finding out is enough to make you feel panicked and defensive
Thats the proof its wrong. You know it yourself, you just wont admit it
>>695879149
Yeah but actively looking for CP is another story
Apply it to loli
>>695878717
except =/= accept
It is like he atari comodore war in the 80th. Or the pc mac controvers.
South or north. Socialism and democrazy. People need 2 fight bout shit. There is no good and evil till u ake it
It doesn't matter if you jack it to real kids or cartoon kids, you're still a sicko
>>695879294
Jokes aside. It means you are not helping the problem. Which is child molesters abusing children. You don't really care. You just want to punish pedophiles.
I realize that pedophiles aren't going anywhere and will like loli.
I realize that people will not like loli and be pedophiles
I realize that everyone who likes loli is not a pedophile.
so why is it wrong? it's just a genre, like any other.
>>695879596
Sickos do not go to jail for being sickos.
>>695879582
And he thought pedophilia is not a word
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>>695879459
yes I'm afraid she won't understand. I'm afraid she'll see me as a pedophile. I'm not afraid that YOU'LL see me as a pedo. That doesn't make it wrong.
Being guilty about something doesn't make it wrong. I used to feel guilty about being gay. Now I don't. Does that make being gay wrong?
See you're fucking flaws?
>>695879596
THIS. Its not about the kids, its about you
Something doesnt have to harm children to be wrong.
>"No! I should be allowed to shoot heroin and eat my Grandmother when she dies, its not like real kids are getting harmed!"
>>695879552
it's funny how wrong everyone says loli is. The FBI doesn't seem to think so. I don't see them putting down any hentai sites with it.
Because they don't fucking care.
>>695879664
IT'S KIDS
Here, slightly unrelated.
Schrodingers Pedo
>you walk into a stall in a restroom
>you see a gloryhole and look inside
>CantSeeAnything.jpg
>you can hear that someone is there
>you stick your dick in and slide a $20 bill
>a little 8 hear old girl starts sucking your dick
>feelsgoodmang
>you cum and walk out of the restroom
>you never find out who was in that stall
>you never find out that you are a pedophile
>>695879664
If someone will rape a child, he will do it with and without seeing lolis before.
No difference
>>695879664
It's a genre that sexualizes children.
Fuck that argument about "these loli only look like children they could be 30" these loli look like children regardless of age
>>695879864
She will understand, you're a pedophile
>>695880001
NO IT'S NOT! THEY'RE DRAWINGS! THEY AREN'T REAL YOU IDIOT! IT'S LIKE SAYING YOU CAN FAP TO A UNICORN! WHY DO YOU CARE?
>>695880022
So you disregard the probability that the persong who jerked off on drawings of little girl for years will be more likely to expand his experience?
>>695880022
EXACTLY. So why does it matter if loli exist. Why is it illegal. I'd rather have a pedo beat his meat to a drawing then feel he needs a child and become a molester.
>>695879459
your experiment doesnt work without the mother though. lets take another look:
>Be OP, just returning to his house after a visit to the local glory holes
>Call out "Immm hooooommmme!" in an effeminate Nathan Lane soprano between cummy burps
>No response
>"I'm HOOOOOOMMMME, where are my TEEEEEENDIIIEEES?!"
>No response
>with growing dread you walk towards the basement door
>find it open
>there's no one there
>fap to loli
whoops, turns out it really is about the mother, without her, op has no reason to feel guilty or shamed (and also does not get any chicken tendies).
what if the mother doesn't care at all about loli, and op has no reason to feel guilty or shamed, and has loads of chicken tendies? must be fine then, right? after all, no one is being hurt by his actions, except for when he posts online and you get butthurt
>>695880022
Tribbledubs dont lie
>>695880010
But this time you're not a pedophile because the only variable is your knowledge not the age of the girl
For it to work the way you want the girls age would have to be unknown
>>695880203
Unicorns do not exist, yet I won't let you groom horses knowing your romantic interests.
>>695880203
The represent kids. If you watch an anime, you will have the same emotions as when you watcha real show, you fap to lolis = you fap to children, you just don't wanna assume you're a pedophile
>>695880268
Think of it this way
How many loli threads go up?
How much loli exists?
You may not have seen as much loli as I have on the internet, but trust me when I say it's not possible that loli affects the amount of child molesters
Also do you believe access to pornography affects a rapists mentality? It's far more than sexual pleasure it's about domination and control.
>>695880364
so what you're saying is. You feel no shame fapping in front of your mother.
You fucking idiot.
>>695871234
>how long that taboo has existed
It's existed since people have existed, just like murder or sleep
People think its suddenly a new thing, it is not, and it will not go away. I think if people are going to like something considered bad, they should at least be allowed to like it if no one is getting hurt. 2D women, girls, people should not have rights or be treated as if they did.
People can collect as much Nazi paraphernalia as they want but as soon as there is a digital picture of something that MIGHT be a child (not every case) people flips shit
>>695880497
why should i? you know your mother masturbates too, right?
>>695880268
I prefer hentai where the mom is pegging her son. Am I going to go get my mom or stepmom to strap on a strap-on and plunge my ass for the real experience?
>>695880203
Can you agree with this?
People who use loli shouldn't be kindergarten teachers.
>>695880464
>that loli affects the amount of child molesters
I do not trust you, you have no actual statisctics, no sceintific base to prove any of your points, and you are obviously biased. And considering the fact that we're talking about little children I assume the worst outcome.
>>695879864
>being guilty about something doesnt make it wrong
hearing the oven timer go off doesnt make the cookies done, but if the timer is set up right to start then when it goes off the cookies are probably done
guilt is like that
>>695880553
You......oh my god.
ok. Well if you think you can fap in front of your mother fine. I have nothing to say to that. Do it.
I still think loli is ok.
Jeez....I hope your mom likes being scared for life.
>>695880748
You have no proof either
Why is loli different to real porn? I don't see claims of porn increasing rape so why would fake child porn increase child rape?
Your logic is unfounded
>>695877264
Got an nhentai link or something so I can finish this?
>>695880720
I'd bet on that given you and the guy who doesn't watch pegging hentai. Where is your common sense people?
>>695880856
you're not the very best at reading are you
Killing is okay in games because its fake yes?
Loli hentai is fake, therefore okay to fap to.
Problem solved. Its fake, so it doesnt matter.
>>695880022
Thank you, wise Scientist, now if you can just show us the proof you used to come up with this definitive statement...
>>695880736
how would you know? why should that be your business. But I understand your concern.
I don't know. It depends on the person. Like I said before, liking loli doesn't make you a pedo. But I think pedos shouldn't teach kindergarten. imo
>>695880857
When I watch porn I really wish I was fucking that pornstar
Just think about that
>>695880856
I'd prefer my mom to see my masturbating then see loli pictures in my computer, i'd feel less pedo and more human
>>695881034
>how can you prove that people rape children without first seeing loli
because child rape existed before loli did.
>>695881065
Would you rape her if she said no
Think about that
>>695880857
>I don't see claims of porn increasing rape
Plenty of them in fact, many rapists and serial killers were hooked on that, especially hard stuff from deepweb.
>>695880992
You can't kill children in GTA V or fallout 4 without adding to the game
>>695881114
>how can you proof lolis do not encourage people to rape children
>>695881098
well if you knew you weren't a pedo then you would get over it. Yeah it would suck having your mom think you were a pedo and you aren't but you'd have to explain it to her. Maybe she would understand.
I don't know your mom bruh.
I'd prefer my mom to see me masturbating then see loli pictures in my computer, i'd feel less pedo and more human
>>695881125
You must be retarded
> Just think about that
>>695881297
>how can you prove a coffee pot isn't in orbit around the sun
>>695881125
No but if she didn't refuse and let it happen then what's wrong with that. Right?
>>695881284
lol
>>695881297
that's the thing. People hate pedos and don't accept them so pedos don't come out until they become child molesters.
We can't study them because idiots like the ones on this site encourage them to hide instead of seeking help. Until they can't take it anymore and molest someone.
>>695867833
3dcg loli is a violation of federal law, this a violation of global rule number one. Source is the protect act of 2003
Just wanted to point that out
>>695881393
>dude things i dont like are evil
>yeah my experience applied to this is proof
>what do you mean you found a flaw in my logic no you're stupid
>>695881457
well i fail to see what's wrong with consensual sex
>>695881497
the laws are stupid because people are scared of pictures
>>695881483
You're being an ignorant dick, many psychologists spend decades researching pedophiles affection.
