Fellow Bernie Sanders supporters,
How do you now plan on voting in November?
What do you think will happen at the convention?
What do you think comes next for the progressive movement in Murrica?
Bernie Sanders thread.
>>695808461
Green Party
>>695808461
>(((Bernie Sanders))) thread.
>>695808461
you do know there is a blank spot near the bottom, we can still vote for the man
Gary Johnson since he's going to be on the ballot in all 50 states and is one of the only people running that isn't totally fucking retarded.
Trump, I'm white and rich so whatever he does won't affect me.
>>695808603
OP here and same. Jill's homeopathic nonsense aside, she's the next best thing at this point.
>>695808461
anyone but hilary
>>695808771
Not all states count write ins.
>>695808750
What is this image from? I keep wondering this. What cartoon?
>>695808910
fair enough
>>695808941
>he's never seen The Metal Superman
Neck yourself, cochise.
>>695808461
>feel that bern
>feel that democrat betrayal and sell out
>>695808461
Trump. I slowly moved away from Sanders during his campaign anyways though.
>>695808941
Iron Giant
Either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson.
>>695809062
she must have given him exceptionally good head
I think he is going to pull a fast one on the dems and make a speech promoting himself at the convention.
He had to support shillary to get his voice heard and for other unfair formalities.
But like why would you support a socialist and better yet why would you STILL support a socialist who sold out to corrupt big government?
>>695809364
>>695808838
How do you go from Bernie Sanders to Gary Johnson? I don't understand this. The two of them could almost not even be any more unalike.
>>695808461
I plan on hopping on the Trump Train.
Trump sounds a lot like Bernie and a select few issues, but even if he didn't, I'd vote for him.
It's so much more important that someone fucks the establishment right in the asshole, and I wish people could see that.
While I don't agree with him on a few issues, he ain't a politician, and for the most part I get a sense of honesty about him, so, Trump 2016.
> the proverbial progressive fire Bernie has created will become uncontainable in the next few election cycles.
>>695809593
He had to give the endorsement or he couldn't take his delegates to the convention. Party rules. He didn't sell out.
>>695809573
Oh look at this poor faggot with his head in the sand. Your boy sold you out bro. Grow up and accept politics for what it is... nasty.
Trump. Better than the lying bitch.
>>695809625
Because either way the constitution gets upheld. They're actually very similar on certain issues.
>>695809625
Well I mean guys want Bernie supporters to ride the trump train.
I feel people choose Gary because its "#AnyoneButTrump"
Bernie Sanders fucked every one of his voters when he endorsed Clinton. He took his "political revolution" all the way from humble beginnings fighting against the political establishment to supporting the very epitome of the political establishment. And the worst part? He did it ALL WITH YOUR MONEY.
He sold you out.
>inb4 it was a career move
A career move at his age?
>inb4 it was for party platform
He's not even a democrat, he was independant, why is he not supporting that faggot Johnson?
Anyone who could switch between Bernie and Trump
is an idiot who should not be allowed in a democracy.
They are such total opposites in what they stand for,
it makes your decisions by definition unsound.
>>695808461
Clinton. At least we get a liberal supreme court.
>>695809423
By head you mean he too met Bill Clinton on the tarmac to get his bribe.
>>695808868
you're putting a lot of faith in that white priv, he could bring nuclear winter to us all.
>>695808603
Probably this. Johnson maybe, half his policies suck but he might get that 5% this time.
>>695808461
Fuck Hillary 100%, but then again fuck Trump too.
I'm just not going to vote because there is exactly a 0% chance that someone other than them will be elected. Fuck this stupid country.
Trump
>>695809625
Not really. I don't side entirely with Gary on Economics, nor do I side with Bernie entirely. On quite a few issues, they are identical. Go to isidewith.com and see where you stand. Gary Johnson himself was saying that outside of the other libertarian candidates, Bernie is the person he has the most in common with.
>>695809967
FUCKING THIS.
>>695809954
hillary actually has a chance and she's not trump, why not vote for her. A vote for gary is almost like a vote for trump
>>695810060
>wanting a Supreme Court that doesn't care about the Constitution
I don't hate you, anon. I just think you are terribly misguided.
>>695810060
Good luck getting a liberal justice confirmed in Congress.
Jill Stein
>>695808461
>How do you now plan on voting in November?
Trump. There's no way I will ever vote for shillary-she is everything I didn't want in Bernie.
>>695810048
true
says a lot about Berners in the first place, unfortunately
>>695809193
he backed her so he could still get some of his policy through, hes not stupid
>>695808838
He thinks that the free market would solve climate change on it's own so he's still a little bit totally fucking retarded. Definitely the most likeable though.
>>695809708
That's my problem with Trump. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but I have something in my gut telling me he's just full of shit.
>>695810048
Right?
>>695810365
Yeah but its just the thought of doing good you know? Also we all know Hillarys going to win whether we like it or not.
>> Implying progressive policies arent absolute shit.
You do realize progressive policies are what caused college and healthcare to cost so much that youre now demanding more progressive policies to be a solution to the solution.
>>695810620
>we all know Hillarys going to win
$0.01 has been deposited into your account. Thank you for Correcting the Record.
>>695809062
Those aren't conflicting statements. She is unfit to be president but she's still better than DT.
>>695810048
And the exact same thing can be said of someone who supported Bernie and will then vote for Hillary just because SHE SAID that she will take on some of his policies. But of course, when she doesn't, the Conservatives will be to blame.
Meanwhile, Bernie will be enjoying his retirement fund from the unspent campaign money he received from donors. Have any of you guys seen the first ten minutes of The Producers? That's exactly what he pulled, and as someone who never liked Bernie, it even made ME feel betrayed.
If he really stood for that message of his platform, he would have played it neutral rather than giving in.
>>695810467
>"Fellow Bernie Sanders supporters"
Literally the first line and this Trumpette post something insanely dumb
>>695809625
Not those anons but voting for those two are better than voting for no one imo. Let's face it they probably aren't going to win but the way I see it, it gives those parties more notoriety. The more power those parties start to get the more the current two mainstream parties (as well as the parties including the newly popular ones) will have to try to be less shitty in order to win votes. Voting for those candidates isn't voting for them it's voting to weaken the strength of the two party system.
>>695810599
Trump paints a picture of America like it's burning down and immigrants are cutting the throats of people in the streets. Like ISIS is about to march in on a red carpet rolled out by Obama.
America is still the safest country in this crazy world WITH the best economy, in spite of the difficulties the world is facing we're already on a great track. He want's to make America shit so he can make America Great Again, just in his bigoted, anti free trade, populist image.
>>695809593
I'm embarrassed by any person who thinks this is selling out. He's not vying for a cabinet position. He legitimately thinks that Trump is miles worse than clinton (I agree) and the best way to stop him is to support her.
Wait, is Jill Stein gonna split the progressive vote and give the presidency to Trump?
>>695810922
>>695810744
I wish
I was just replying to this dude >>695810365
about my vote to Jill / Gary
But then again im guessing your voting for the Don
I know were on bee and its "cant stump the trump" but he seriously is horrible and unpredictable,
Although I enjoyed the lulz while we had them im terrified he will become president.
>>695810371
>muh two and a half century old obsolete document
>>695810536
I didn't mean the him endorsing Hillary. I mean't that I mostly disliked how much Sanders was warming up to the regressive left, BLM, femnazis, Islam, and other cancerous groups.
>>695811061
yes. If Sanders didn't endorse Clinton for the sake of his own pride he'd be making America come closer to paying for it in chaos and ruin with Trump
>>695811191
You guess right. Even if I take him as the racist that his opposition paints him as, better him as president than a woman who got a man who raped a 12-year old acquitted and then laughed about it.
>>695808461
Trump. I ain't voting for that witch.
"No one understands the system like me.
That's why I'm the only one who can fix it"
-Trump
Like who fucking falls for this bull shit? It's pure talk.
can i just vote for him?
Why does the popular vote matter if the electoral college makes the decision for us anyway?
Popular vote is like oh we'll take that info consideration.
>>695811061
But she's the very epitome of the wall street candidate, the exact thing he was fighting against through his whole campaign. He didn't sell himself out, he sold people like YOU out.
By doing so, he negates every thing he said about fighting big corporations. Now he wants YOU to vote for THEIR candidate. Sure, Trump is an idiot, but goddamn at least he's not asking for donations every time "trump makes you angry". Her super-pacs can pay for us.
>>695808461
I'm a diehard bernie supporter so I am voting for Hillary because I want to tell the DNC that doing anything to avoid change is the right thing to do.
>>695810048
>support berine
>DNC stabs him and the people in the back
>shillery wins because thats who the masters want to win
>HUR DUR WELL I JUST VOTE HOW THE MASTERS WANT ME TOO!!!
Nigga come november im voting trump to try and bitch slap some sense into the DNC.
Any bernie supporter who sells out and vote hillary never truly supported bernie.
Bernie or bust bitch. Time to Bern this shit to the ground!
>>695810980
>muh liberal media spin statements
>muh underwater basket weaving professor
>muh gender studies associates degree
I think it's funny how Trump just brought the
Repubs into the land of progressivism tonight
by stating that he'd merely replace Universal
Healthcare, not repeal it, go after trade deals,
tax big business and be protectionist,
and embrace the LGBTQ community.
Like, it's going to be a confusing prez race for sure.
>>695810980
Wake up and do some research. The US has become a 2nd world country. According to Hillerys supporters and her "SUPER PAC" everything is good. But facts are facts. More whites are killed by cops. more whites are killed by blacks than blacks killed by whites and 54% of all homicides are blacks killing blacks. Also If people search they will find out how great it is in the EU with all their refugees and the shit they have destroyed. Everything she has ever been involved in has turned into a shit sandwich and the ones that have paid the bill are the American people. I hope to god she develops cancer and dies a slow painful death.
>>695808910
HAHAHAHAHAH holy shit. American elections are so shit.
How does it feel to know that the first person to gain enough support to oppose your corrupt system is a raging racist?
>>695811604
It's the exact same pure talk that Clinton makes.
The system is actually letting us have a choice for once between two complete snakes. You can either step in shit every day for the rest of your life or you can get shit on by a bird every day instead.
At least with Trump, worst case and he goes mad, he'll be out in 4 years; ol' Hillbags is going to be with us for 8 years, just like Obama and just like G.W. Bush
>>695809708
This would be hilarious if you weren't allowed to vote, but considering that you are, this is very embarrassing and dangerous.
Trump is the establishment. He goes to all the parties and plead to all the same donors. When he wasn't a politician, he was buying politicians. If you're unhappy with goldman sachs buying politicians, you don't elect their CEO.
>sense of honestly about him
Your feelings don't change facts and the fact is that he lies even more than Hillary.
She has a history of itty bitty incremental change, and he has a history of abusing every system he is a part of for his own benefit. He is a rich person so it will benefit him to push policies that help rich people (like his proposed tax plan).
You are an absolute fool.
>>695810980
If you seriously think that there is nothing wrong with America, then you must be deluding yourself. There are so many problems not just in America, but in the world, and I would rather not sit back and watch us slowly drift back into a new fucking dark age. The world is going mad, but no one seems to acknowledge it. We need to change our course before it's too late to turn back.
>>695811808
>Nigga come november im voting trump to try and bitch slap some sense into the DNC.
This. Trump is going to fail hard in his first term, but him winning will definitely send a message to the DNC that there needs to be some pretty big changes.
>>695809844
>sold out
Cringe.
>>695812091
>HAHAHAHAHAH
This should be a bannable line of text. People who actually bother to type shit like this never have anything intelligent to say. Not here, not on /k/, not on /ck/, not anywhere on 4chan.
Trump = good for news because it's fucking hilarious. Not really useful for our country. So Hillary unless you feel like splitting the vote then you get no one you want
>>695812038
research
>>695812091
As an American, I agree. You know, in a country with a government supposedly for the people by the people, you would figure write ins WOULD count because it's what THE PEOPLE want. Too bad this country is about to make the worst mistake in history by allowing a criminal or a child into the head of it.
>>695811972
The ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ community?
>>695808461
There is no progressive movement in America. There is identity politics of various stripes and vectors but nothing truly liberal.
The DNC publicly gave up even pretending to be progressive when Obama adopted the slogan "Change".
As in for its own sake, not to progress.
Liberalism died with JFK son.
Lord all these posts of Trump shills trying to get Bernie supporters to vote for trump hurts.
Politics does not work like this
Any Bernie supporter that would even consider a vote for Trump doesn't understand a single thing about Bernie's policies or the man himself.
Also the argument that "Trump is not a politician is horseshit." His entire campaign has been run by career politicians. He chose one for his VP who has apparently been given the promise to be in charge of ALL domestic and foreign policy. Trump is the biggest con man of all time. He rips the system that he is part of and continues to benefit from. His promises are hollow. At the convention he talked about corrupt lobbyists while his campaign whined and dined them at various meetings all over Cleveland. You're being fooled by one of the biggest con jobs in history.
>>695812407
>shilling for a criminal
>>695812145
We stand to lose big time if Trump is elected. There is no such thing as a 'fuck it see what happens' election.
If Trump is elected there's no telling what he'd do.
He's already gotten this far talking about building a wall.
About restricting muslim's from entering the country.
Going on and on about his dooms day visions.
He's a loose cannon. You do not want someone like him having that power even for a second.
>>695811972
if you look back at videos of him during the 70s, 80s and so on, you begin to notice how he has always had more "moderate" ideologies. He actually expresses concern for people without jobs and people being treated unjustly by our current system.
Looking back it seems that he is genuinely worried about our country but used his "extremist" attitude to set himself apart of the sea of republicans running for president.
>>695812515
Just call them faggots like you always have.
I'm brown. Legally in country, born and raised and all of my previous family were also legal citizens.
Still because of that, a large percentage of this country will simply classify me as Mexican (even though culturally, come from a very different Spanish sub group) and assume all types of things about me.
With that, looks like I'm voting for Clinton who I'm just hoping to god will be Bill 2.0
The man left our economy in the green, liked to get his dick wet, and played the sax (which also means he probably smokes the reefer). Also for you racist conservatives, you keep forgetting he put more minorities in prison than almost every president before him.
>>695812158
I bet you gave money to Bernie Sanders, didn't you?
he dumped you like a used Rubber and you're all believing Hillary that she'll take on some of his policies because she said so. That's bible tier logic. "Hillary is going to implement Bernie Sander's illogical ideas because she said know and I know she will because she said so."
You're no fucking genius yourself.
>>695812158
Cool story bro.
As a libertarian, it's honestly nice to see Bernie supporters sticking up for what they believe in and not actually voting for Hillary. I can understand why people would vote for Bernie. I cannot understand why any decent person would go into a voting booth and selecting HRC as president
>>695812226
cite a statistic that supports your idea that America is going down the shitter.
America is fine, it never stopped being great. Stop being an idiot and believing all this fiction of death and destruction that Trump is selling you.
>>695812724
I'll take what happened when Patreaus did the same thing for 800, Alex.
>>695808461
Prolly gonna vote Green now.
>>695811657
>But she's the very epitome of the wall street candidate
True, but she still pushes for more leftist policies than Trump. It's as simple as that. Therefore you are wrong when you say "he sold people like YOU out." because he's specifically trying to push the country in a progressive direction and a right wing judge on the supreme court will hurt his principles. If he didn't think that Hillary would be better than Trump, what possible incentive would he have to endorse her?
>at least he's not asking for donations
You aren't following very closely are you? He begged the big money donors for money both at the start of his campaign and after he won the nomination. He would love to sell out, but nobody with brains wants to buy him because it's clear from his history that he will fuck over anybody who trusts him to help them out.
>>695812226
C o m m u n i s m.
>>695812324
Fucking stupid nigger thinks she's entitled to speak about how her life matters. No it doesn't you fucking silverback, get the fuck off the stage.
>>695809062
He said early in the race that he would endorse Hillary if he lost the nomination, dipshit.
However, even ignoring that, we have two nominees who are unfit to be president. Of course he's going to endorse the one whose political views are closer to his own.
>>695812855
I don't think you know who he really is, no one does.
Look at how different he sounds compared to his own kids.
He's gotten this far on racism and fear mongering,
if you think he's not going to deliver on that in concrete policies if he's elected you're dreaming.
He's not going to just morph instantly into a 'reasonable' person.
>>695808461
Was bernout, now on the trump train
>>695811783
I know you're being sarcastic, but the DNC has already been sent a message that they need to change. It's more important to make sure Trump isn't nominating SCOTUS judges than to make sure DWS feels bad about being a bitch.
>>695813198
Good luck with that
>>695809967
This.
Did Jill Stein even say that she's be his VP running mate if he switched parties?
I don't get it. Had he done that, he had a pretty good chance...or at least the best chance there's been in our lifetimes to prove that the two party system doesn't hold everyone hostage.
>>695812923
>he put more minorities in prison than almost every president before him.
>implying that the War on Crime was a good thing
Minorities need to realize that the system is still fucking them in the ass and Dems and Repubs are finally waking up to it.
I hope Hillary will forward that issue and carry it from where Sanders was forced to leave it
>>695808461
>How do you now plan on voting in November
I don't.
>What do you think will happen at the convention
Nothing.
>What do you think comes next for the progressive movement in Murrica
A lot of hand wringing.
This cycle has taught me that amerikkkan progressives are a paper tiger.
>>695812788
>There is no such thing as a 'fuck it see what happens' election.
No, because that kind of event is usually caused by revolution, which would be bad. This is the only chance we're going to have at something different, which even at that probably won't happen under trump.
>If Trump is elected there's no telling what he'd do.
What happened to Congress? Also, the whole "HE COULD LAUNCH THE NUKES" is scare-mongering. There isn't a big button under the desk in the oval office labeled "fire the nukes". They have to be armed, they have to be targeted, there are third parties involved like the commanders and Norad, etc.
>He's already gotten this far talking about building a wall.
What is wrong with legal immigration? I would like to see less red-tape to get a green card, but we need less welfare incentives and we don't need *ILLEGAL* immigrants in this country.
>About restricting muslim's from entering the country.
You try entering a muslim country and see how well you do there. What is wrong with a temporary ban?
>Going on and on about his dooms day visions.
He's the only one who actually wants to solve our social unrest rather than ignore it.
>You do not want someone like him having that power even for a second.
And I don't want someone like Hillary having that same power for 8 years.
The last 8 years haven't been very good for us, have they? At least with Trump, if he does bad he'll be easy out in 4 years.
>>695813481
>rips Clinton a new asshole
>exposes Clinton
>detests everything big bank Wall Street bought and paid for Crooked Clinton stands for
>but she is just like him
Wew lad
>>695813079
That's not much a defense of her actions. That's like saying "other people have murdered too!!1! Why can't I?!" Both are wrong, you don't excuse either action because of the person.
>>695813822
And by minorities you mean criminals, right?
>>695811808
>LOL I SABOTAGED MY OWN CAUSE!
>LOL CORRUPTION JUST GOT WORSE BECAUSE TRUMP NOMINATED ANOTHER SCALIA
>LOL WE'RE IN A NUCLEAR WINTER BECAUSE TRUMP DECIDED TO BOMB AUSTRALIA BECAUSE SOMEONE MADE A JOKE ABOUT HIM
>LOL THAT SHOWED THE DNC!
Bernie endorsed Hillary because he cares about progressive ideals, and she is a less destructive force towards those ideals. When you sell out you get paid. Bernie isn't getting anything other than the knowledge he did everything he could to push america closer to sanity.
>>695812288
You seem upset.
From Trump's address tonight there is literally nothing different about him than a Democrat.
EXCEPT for being anti immigrant and anti muslim (racist and populist),
law-and-order (fascist), and anti trade (protectionist, not unlike Bernie).
How fucking stupid you must be to not see this.
>>695808461
Voting for Gary Johnson. Stein might be a viable alternative, if only she was on the ballot in all 50 states. There really isn't a point if you aren't..
>>695813043
America is fine, for now. But what trump is saying is true, and it has happened to many superpowers before. If you look back to the fall of Rome, everything that is happening now is almost exactly the same that happened to them, and we know what happened after that.
>Massive influx of completely foreign refugees with no way of supporting them
>Rapid change in ideology of the nation, stripping it of what it used to be.
>Incompetent leadership neglecting its citizens for personal gain
>Massive financial collapse
And the list goes on. It does not take a genius to see we are heading for a collapse greater than that of the fall of Rome.
Gary Johnson gets my vote
>>695814279
+1 super predator
>>695811972
He also told Trump University students that they'd make lots of money and assured the shareholders and creditors of his bankrupted companies that they would receive a healthy return.
>>695808461
anything but crookary
>>695808461
>What do you think comes next for the progressive movement in Murrica?
Hopefully Trump will round up you fucking scumbags and gas you all like the slimy little shitbags you are. He said it during his acceptance speech tonight "political correctness needs to stop"
>>695808461
Clinton, it's my patriotic duty to prevent a Trump presidency.
>>695808461
You are saying this quite comfortably behind your computer screen aren't you? Sitting in your 300$ gaming chair that mom bought for you, whilst sipping on hot cocoa and having tabs on the "latest anime episodes", weaaboo music playing in the backround on full blast and mlp tabbed. Ah, quite comfy, ain't it. Anonymity sure is great. You can say whatever you want because no one will know who you truly are.
You believe you are hardened. An edgy hero. But in reality, you are really just scum. A useless shit stain. A waste of space. No purpose in life other than to leech off of the hard work of others. People like you need to be eradicated. The world doesn't need your shit. You are better off dead, faggot.
>>695814184
>Being politically closer to Hillary than Trump means he's just like Hillary
>not understanding how comparisons work
kys
>>695808870
>homeopathic
She's a fucking retard.
>>695814352
>racist
You are the one that is fucking stupid.
>>695812038
>more whites are killed by cops
If you're going to troll, pretend to be smarter.
>>695813507
>He's gotten this far on racism and fear mongering
Yeah remember when he said all those racist things, what were they again?
o man give that shit up
it's all fraud L( trump
>>695814317
>Hurr durrrr, yuo haev been coaxed in to le snadu
>>695814605
>voting for a Clinton
>patriotic
Yeah, okay.
>>695814189
>as if anyone would give a shit if she was running for president
>as if Trump actively being a twat doesn't matter
she was never going to get indicted cause she's a high ranking official
>>695809625
if you actually knew anything about either of them, you'd see it is not true.
the main difference is, bernie believes the government should take more money and give it to the poor, while Johnson believe it isn't really right for the government to take the money you earned.
they are basically identical on the issues of drugs, same sex marriage, war, nsa and the patriot act, and releasing non violent offenders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpbj8ajZs
>>695814404
How many of the refugees admitted to the U.S. are Christian? Are Muslim?
According to an analysis by CNS News, of 2,184 Syrian refugees admitted into the U.S. since the Syrian civil war erupted in 2011, only 53 (2.4 percent) have been Christians while 2098 (or 96 percent) are Muslims. The remaining 33 include 1 Yazidi, 8 Jehovah Witnesses, 2 Baha’i, 6 Zoroastrians, 6 of “other religion,” 7 of “no religion,” and 3 atheists.
tl;dr
We've let in about 2,200 refugees.
You should seriously consider the proposition that you're an idiot and part of the problem. Get informed.
>>695808461
Gary is the best choice now, I'd even take Trump over Hillary though.
>>695808461
I'm not in a swing state, so I'm voting independent. Hopefully clinton will pick warren as her VP
>>695814700
are you attacking me on spelling rather than ideas?
>mentally lazy
>>695814635
Oh the irony. Nice copypasta, btw
>>695814600
>dubs=truth
>>695810343
Think you might want to research what libertarians. Bernie is anti free market, libertarians aren't. Berne wants more government and higher taxes, libertarians don't.
>>695814747
You want all his nigger/spick talk from the 80s or do you think he doesn't mean brown people when he talks about Muslims?
Still planning on voting for Bernie. Election doesn't have to be either/or.
>>695813481
I mean we could all actually be logical and bitch slap the dnc for choosing shilery and vote for the person closest to Bernie, Jill Stein
>>695814837
Trump is George W Bush without the policy knowledge or morals. He's a professional con-man with no skills other than defrauding ignorant rubes out of their money. Electing him would be a disaster that this country might never recover from.
Hillary on the other hand is certainly no worse than Nixon.
>>695815281
except it is in America
>>695808461
Voting for Jill Stein and the most progressive candidates possible in every office.
>What do you think comes next for the progressive movement in Murrica?
Total war on the Democratic party. Attacking them in every primary for every office from now until the corrupt establishment dies. Organizing a new party / movement on the far left to replace their neo-liberal capitalist bullshit in a new party system.
>>695810885
Stop making sense oldfag
>>695808461
Im a Bernbro, but Ill vote for Gary Johnson. I always vote for the candidate that will least likely start a new War. Now, that person is Gary Johnson. Trump and Hillary are equally atrocious on foreign policy in my eyes. I'd love to hear someone prove me wrong though.
>>695812145
>worst case
You forgot that the president has the power to send nukes.
>>695815213
I don't know a lot of white Muslims. Just sayin'.
>>695810885
>Voting for those candidates isn't voting for them it's voting to weaken the strength of the two party system.
Words of wisdom. Your vote is not wasted, anon - it is a wrench that you must throw into the party machines. It is an act of rebellion.
>>695814889
I'm not voting for trump. I never liked the guy. Both HRC and Trump deserve scorn. I'm voting for GJ. I do agree it wouldn't matter if she got arrested on stage at the DNC in Philly. People are still going to vote for her sadly. I do have a lot of respect for Bernie supporters who are voting 3rd party.
>>695815371
Its hard to tell. He's all for universal healthcare and is utterly confused about why the US doesn't have it already. He's also a former democrat. Given how fucking divisive he is even amongst republicans I'd say he's a carefully crafted personality designed to guarantee a progressive democrat president.
im going with trump.
hillary would be a disaster
>>695812942
No, I live in New Zealand. We already have pretty much all of his policies. Shit's lovely.
See you when you holiday here for the two weeks you're allowed and you can take a look at what a democracy looks like.
>>695814535
aren't all student told, "go to college, get an education so you can get a good job and actually make money?" here i sit making 18k a year with 40k in student loans and more medical bills on the way..
>>695814048
>No, because that kind of event is usually caused by revolution, which would be bad. This is the only chance we're going to have at something different, which even at that probably won't happen under trump.
Don't be so sure.
>What happened to Congress? Also, the whole "HE COULD LAUNCH THE NUKES" is scare-mongering. There isn't a big button under the desk in the oval office labeled "fire the nukes". They have to be armed, they have to be targeted, there are third parties involved like the commanders and Norad, etc.
He'd be the Commander in Chief of the US Military. He could do almost anything.
>What is wrong with legal immigration? I would like to see less red-tape to get a green card, but we need less welfare incentives and we don't need *ILLEGAL* immigrants in this country.
We don't have an easy system to legally immigrate. If we did we wouldn't be having this convo. Stop being so legalistic, people come from all over the world here to improve their lives with hard work fair and square, according to the 'American Dream'
>You try entering a muslim country and see how well you do there. What is wrong with a temporary ban?
I've been. It's fine. I know American Muslims here in the states too. They're normal people. All this talk of bans just plays into the hands of true terrorists who paint this country as anti Muslim. This is a war of ideas, we need to win on that front.
I'd rather see Hillary be president because she'd nudge us slowly in a better direction. There's no telling what Trump would do.
>>695812969
Fuck he looks dorky. How does anybody vote for such a dweeb?
>>695813822
>9
>That's not much a defense of her actions. That's like saying "other people have murdered too!!1! Why can't I?!" Both are wrong, you don't excuse either action because of the person.
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>>>695813822
>And by minorities you mean criminals, right?
Minorities already realize that the system is still fucking them. Hispanics don't complain so much because for the most part, they are left alone. Hell every time a Hispanics does something terrible, they usually get labeled white (looking at you George Zimmerman).
One group, however, has gotten very vocal and we now have Black Lives Matter.
The way I see it, the US will always have a race issue especially when it comes to black and white. The founding fathers didn't debate slavery because they knew it would completely rip the country apart that had just barely pulled itself out of a revolution. Still some left hints they did not support the institution (Washington freed all of his slaves upon the death of him and Mrs. Washington and she set them free even sooner).
When the country did finally discuss the issue, the civil war broke out. The next time we brought up the issue, the south had to experience cultural shell shock in order to get any movement and to this day tensions are still extremely high.
One day I hope to find my peaceful corner of this earth where I don't have to deal with this shit but not sure anymore.
>>695815895
Spoken like someone who has never read a single policy document in their life.
>>695813014
Becuase Donald Trump is more destructive obviously. It's not rocket science.
I am voting for Jill Stein but I would be happy with Gary Johnson too. Let me explain, I Like Stein BUT if Gary Johnson quickly rises and needs my vote to Fuck both parties up, id give it too him. I don't like Cuck Trump or Whore Hillary.
At this point the democratic party is so split, that voting for jill, johnson, hillary, or writing in bernie is essentially splitting the party and allowing trump to win.
>rip USA
>>695811623
Why so he can throw money into more social programs, under the mistaken belief that it'll pull us out of economic hardship?
>>695816000
That doesn't mean Trump isn't still a crook for ripping all those people off. At least yours is nationally recognized. I would be embarrassed as shit with a Trump University diploma. Just a piece of paper certifying you got scammed like an dupe.
>>695808461
Hillary because FUCK TRUMP
>>695815297
Sadly, a third party nominee probably won't win, but hopefully, people will become more open to the idea of electing third party runners in the future as a result of the events of this election cycle.
I guess we can always hope, though.
>>695815900
Not him but I wish I could move there. I think it's pretty hard to get in though isn't it?
>>695810140
>change nothing
works for me
>>695815647
>what are fail-safes
It's not that easy. He has the power, but there is also others between him and nukes. Someone still has to co-ordinate WHERE to send the nukes, and while I'm sure it's more sophisticated than it was in the 80's, I'm sure it's slightly more complex than "press a button and nukes go where you want"
>>695815900
>See the picture, just exchange Denmark for NZ
me and my family are all voting trump to be sure that hillary wont get elected.
>>695815297
The DNC didn't choose Clinton you dumb nigger, the voters did. She won by millions of popular votes.
>>695814352
What trump says =/= what trump will do
>>695814925
If you don't mind me asking, do you still think America will remain great if a corrupt, incompetent criminal gains power, effectively dissolves the mexico-America border, and continues to create chaos in the middle east, and continues the push to unify America's enemies that Obama started? Do you think starting a new cold war, with even more countries siding against America, is a good thing? A vote for clinton is a vote for ww3, it's a vote for the petrodollar, and it will end up tearing apart this country.
>>695816588
Right??
>>695816750
He explicitly advocates for fascism and normalizes extremist ethno-nationalist viewpoints.
>>695816061
What's Rule #5 Saul?
>>695816638
the reason why it works in the scandinavian countries is because we are small countries.
>>695808838
This
>>695816354
trump is scary, and i admit to not knowing much about this story, but isn't it kind of their own fault for not going to a nationally recognized school..
>>695816756
You deserve to die. Save everyone the trouble and kill yourself.
canada does not give a single fuck, murica has been shit tier since the start
>>695816041
While POTUS is the only authority to launch Nuclear Weapons, it doesn't work like you think. Most people think he says nuke em and it happens. Trust me there are procedures in place and it's pretty much up to COCOMS.
>>695816588
FTFY
>>695814404
I stopped reading at 'what trump is saying is true' because I knew you'd be a low value comment
>>695816756
Speaking as someone from a country that kinda hates America but is still reluctantly an ally, I can tell you it started under Bush and has been improving under Obama.
>>695816638
>Trump might just be crazy enough to PRESS THE NUKE BUTTON, sure
>Let's just rely on soldiers and military men to disobey orders if it happens
>nothing to worry about!
>Oh Trump, you rascal you. Good thing no one listens to your nuke commands.
what is this, North Korea?
>>695816041
Wait, you immigrated or went there as a refugee?
>>695816744
Wow you're pretty gullible.
www.LP.org
>>695816366
Why not Jill stein because fuck trump and hilldog
>>695816900
So you're just fine with letting Trump get off with it and blaming the victims?
>>695817167
You're a retarded conspiracy theorist piece of shit. Fuck you, you dense fucking nigger. You are making claims that are verifiably and mathematically false.
>>695816354
Implying Hillary never ripped someone off. Didn't she have to return 300k worth of furniture back to the white house?
>>695816989
see,
>>695816756
Yeah man, THERE IS NO PERFECT FOREIGN POLICY APPROACH
We've fucked up a lot lately but it doesn't mean you pack up and leave the world and become an island. We are still the 'light'.
>>695817167
He fucking lost dude. Get over it. Jesus titty-fucking christ.
>>695816588
The only thing true in that pic is Bin Laden.
>>695817153
What? No I visited Turkey like 5 years ago. I'm American.
>>695816041
>>695816041
>He'd be the Commander in Chief of the US Military. He could do almost anything.
Because Military coups are totally not a thing. It still has to be approved by congress. Even the war in Iraq was minimally talked about in congress and considering how the establishment hates him, both sides will fight him tooth and nail over every little thing. Speaking of "doomsday visions" ...
>We don't have an easy system to legally immigrate. If we did we wouldn't be having this convo
Like I said, I would like to see less red tape, but I'd also like to see less illegals too.
>Stop being so idealistic people come from all over the world here to improve their lives with hard work fair and square, according to the 'American Dream'
So they come to our "racist" country filled with "racist" people and demand they have a better life? Everybody around the world shit talks us about how we have no real democracy when in places (like where we want to bring in refugees from) there are "no rights for women and homosexuals". Europe is much closer, let them go there like they already are.
>I've been. It's fine
Give my regards to the Syrians, the Aghanis, the Pakistanis, the Libyans, the Somalians, and all of those countries that stand against the very principles of this country that you talk about.
>I know American Muslims here in the states too. They're normal people.
I am glad that all the muslims you personally know are such perfect, law abiding people. I wonder if the people in San Bernadino felt that way about their muslim co-worker, or the friends of the Van Driver in Nice.
>All this talk of bans just plays into the hands of true terrorists who paint this country as anti Muslim.
So you can't say anything bad about muslims or else they win, so the only option is to let them in and experience terrorist attacks. Yeah, I can definitely see why you would vote Clinton.
>>695817459
Oh wow, so now we're justifying Trump being a proven crook with Hillary doing bad shit too. Not even denying the fact that he did it anymore.
How deluded are you Trumpers really
>>695816919
What did I say to trigger your ass so much? Hillary will do nothing but weaken America and help the Israelis and Saudis and anyone else who will pay for her support, how will this help us at all?
>>695817515
The problem with the dnc is its trying to hold progressives in its voting block when the dems are centrist-left, it's no wonder the party is splitting.
>>695817700
>Because Military coups are totally not a thing. It still has to be approved by congress.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>695817275
did they not get the classes they paid for? were they entitled to anything more?
>>695808603
This. That way, when the cries go up that Shillary lost to Trump because of misogyny, I can just throw up a big pair of middle fingers and tell them that this was the future they chose by being loyal to the money instead of the ideals.
>>695817865
Ikr, just vote for Johnson already
>>695818023
>dems are centrist-left
The Democratic party is center-right in every way that matters to its rich and powerful donors. It's social positions are dog whistles that significantly lag the progressive movement. The party is splitting because half of its base will no longer accept rule of the economic elite through legalized bribery, and they realize that the two-party system is managed democracy and political theater.
It is illogical to vote for anyone other than trump at this point. As much as it sucks it is unrealistic to expect a write in to produce any kind of results. Sure you could do to feel good and have your "I didn't vote for any of them so I'm not responsible" card ready to pull in any political discussion for the next 4-8 years but the fact of the matter is if you care about what actually happens in this country you need to vote for results and not sentiment. Anything Hillary says that you agree with is irrelevant simply look at her history, she will say whatever the political flavor of the month is to gain votes and forget about it the moment the new popular political stance comes around. Don't take my word for it simply look at her positions on past issues and compare to today. When it comes to action you'll receive what Hillary wants for herself and nothing more your vote for her is only worth it if your ideals are 100% the same as hers. Now if something you respected about Bernie was his honesty on his views and his stance against career politicians than vote trump. Even if Trump is the most disgusting human being in your eyes he will still be somewhat predictable in his actions and open about what he wants to do.
But ignoring all of that simply use your brain. Ignore everything I've said about the individual politicians and just look up sources for yourself. I'm amazed people consider Hillary an option until I remember that self study is a forgotten art form in today's society.
>>695817700
>Because Military coups are totally not a thing.
hahaha oh man. Are you really so fucking retarded as to place your faith in a military coup to stop Trump in case things get too crazy?? Like are you 12? That's the dumbest argument for tolerating the risk of Trump I've ever heard. Like yeah don't worry guys Trump is crazy but he'll just get ousted in a military coup if he get's out of hand lulz
wow.
>So you can't say anything bad about muslims or else they win, so the only option is to let them in and experience terrorist attacks. Yeah, I can definitely see why you would vote Clinton.
You can say a lot of critical things about Muslims and Islam today without being against them or it. Which I do. I also know you can't just paint all Muslims with a single brush stroke as dangerous or radical, because that's, you know, bigoted and stupid.
>>695809062
>implying every republican who was saying the exact same thing about Truml aren't slobbering his cock now that he's won the nomination. The ENTIRE party was saying that about trump at the beginning. That's how much of a joke the GOP looks like right now
Because REAL change means getting rid of the capitalist ruling class that's been pulling all the strings.
>>695816000
This is a distraction beside the point of Trump being a scammer, but yes, Hillary is more likely to address the student loan debt issue.
>>695812502
What is the 10th amendment?
>>695816486
Depends where you're from. I'm from Australia so basically just rocked up and they were like 'yo, you wanna be a citizen?'
>>695818115
They got sold on something. What they got was something else entirely that was borderline worthless. And they paid a lot for it.
Currently looking at Jill Stein.
Hillary will be coronated, VP will be chosen, probably Elizabeth Warren or Tim Kaine or someone else actually liberal.
After four years of Hillary, people will be upset, but probably won't be able to have a primary because we remember what happened to Carter. Either way, the hope rides on 2024 and who's running.
>>695808870
she is fucking retarded
>>695818712
the south isnt going to rise again, idiot
>>695812788
>a loose cannon. You do not want someone like him having that power even for a second
Are you describing Hillary?
>>695817634
>Turkey
>Most westernized muslim country
You faggot, that doesn't fucking count. Turkey is even being considered into the EU. Why not go to a REAL muslim country, like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Jordan, any of of those.
But no, you went to Turkey, so you know all about Muslims. AND RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK THEY THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AFTER A FAILED COUP THAT KILLED HUNDREDS. Which now is leading to totalitarian actions by its muslim president.
Christ all fucking mighty.
>>695818033
It's easier to type "HA" over and over than to actually discuss the meat of the subject. My point is you still can't just wake up one morning, scratch your ass and say "You know, I think I'm gonna blow up Estonia for the shits and giggles" and you just fire away.
There are other people who are involved in the process who can disengage the process. If it were that easy, it would probably have been hacked by now
>>695818556
>hahaha oh man. Are you really so fucking retarded as to place your faith in a military coup to stop Trump in case things get too crazy??
And if you think Trump can get to that point, you're just as crazy.
>blah blah blah are you twelve
I dunno, are you projecting?
Come back when you have an argument.
>I also know you can't just paint all Muslims with a single brush stroke as dangerous or radical, because that's, you know, bigoted and stupid
I didn't say that, as much as you wish I did, but you cannot deny the crazy shit that is happening in these places. And Europe has definitely NOT gotten stronger with refugees immigrating.
>>695818945
No. She's and establishment pro status quo liberal.
It's shit but it truly is the lesser of two evils
>>695818824
In a capitalist society, that's pretty much the definition of success. Being able to sell something worthless at a high price = maximum profits.
>>695818348
Trump = 100% of shitshow
or
Hillary = 75% chance of shitshow.
Pick the 100% because then you'll know for a fact it will suck.
Can you explain how this is a good argument?
>>695814189
>Not understanding common law
You are a cuck. Trump2016
>>695818821
I'm Murrican
>>695816638
>I'm sure it's slightly more complex than "press a button and nukes go where you want"
The president has an aid that carries the nuclear football with them wherever they go and they hold an access card that allows them to use it. They can launch nukes whenever they want, to wherever they want. There are no fail safes because the country isn't meant to make fucking Trump the president.
>>695808461
Im going Trump 2016...
Bernie went from a cool dude to a cuck who wants to see America fucked by Hillary :/
>>695819138
>It's easier to type "HA" over and over than to actually discuss the meat of the subject. My point is you still can't just wake up one morning, scratch your ass and say "You know, I think I'm gonna blow up Estonia for the shits and giggles" and you just fire away.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>695814048
funny how one mentions scare mongering regarding Trump's opposition when Trump's entire platform has been just that
>>695818940
Then why are write in votes decided by States?
>>695809846
Wait, are you saying that you don't think Trump lies? Just... for the record....
>>695819284
>You are a cuck
>>695819259
More like the reverse with trump at 75 and hulkery at 100
>>695817612
Pesky facts...
>>695808461
Green Party
Hillary gets nominated, some people fart and some speeches are made. There might be a "fight" to get a few more things on the platform but nothing else.
Hopefully abandonment of the Dems and flocking to the Green Party.
>>695819521
Because America is retarded
>>695819143
March onward Christian soldier.
>>695808461
I vote for trump
>>695819138
>And if you think Trump can get to that point, you're just as crazy.
Lol no don't walk it back. You basically said 'don't worry, we could just have a military coup.'
And yeah, congress is involved. But Bush didn't actually need their approval to go to Iraq. You're wrong on this. POTUS is the Commander in Chief and they call it that for a reason.
>You faggot, that doesn't fucking count. Turkey is even being considered into the EU. Why not go to a REAL muslim country, like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Jordan, any of of those.
Yes, coincidentally Turkey just had its self a coup attempt, you should be jumping for joy because your ideal system works, you little twat. So I guess it's not "the most modern stable country in the Middle East" any more, is it??
Stop being scared of Muslims. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with their religion. But only like %.01 of them actually become terrorists. There will be a time in this world, hopefully, when religious extremism is a memory only.
And no, I wasn't projecting. You really sound 12
>>695819259
Both are 100% shitshows
I choose the shitshow that tells me where and when the shit will be landing so I can wear a rain jacket to lessen the shits effect on my life.
As opposed the Hillary shitshow which will give me no information on the shit and quite frankly will likely throw the shit on a fan pointed at the general populations direction.
>>695809423
He's no longer on the kill list you mean.
>>695819789
Fuck the green party
>>695819187
Holy shit. If this is how you think and you vote for Trump then...wow. We're doomed.
>>695819727
I've read the books and policies. Trump won't work. His universal healthcare policy combined with the extreme tax cuts ALONE will tank the country.
>>695819036
>Part time labor
>Labor participation rate
>GDP
>True unemployment rate
>Median iconmes have plummeted
>Incurred more debt in 8 years than all other presidencies combined
And still believing this meme
>>695819187
That's not capitalism, numb nuts. It's scamming and fleecing.
>>695819875
Why not just vote for the candidate who will bring fewer shitstorms?
Why has she not been assassinated yet?
>>695819453
Probably a bit of a challenge, but like with any reasonably country you can get residency if you're not a total retard.
>>695808461
>Gary Johnson
>I don't give a shit, probably not much
>Shillary loses to Trump, Mark Cuban runs in four years on the Democratic ticket and beats Trump.
>>695819850
Trump it is!
>>695813481
he also said he would take it all the way to the convention... love the Bernie fags going all out to make any excuse to fit the narrative that Bernie was flawless but in reality he lied, deal with it faggot
>>695818824
so.. you think the retards that trusted the snake oil salesman should get their money back?
>>695820075
Because bernibros and republicans have spent months convincing themselves and others that Hillary is a criminal idiot/Machiavellian genius who will destroy the country. Fact is she's a solid politician with no more skeletons in the closet than any other but her opponents are desperate and insane.
>>695819975
That was a (too-subtle) critique of capitalism. I'm voting Jill Stein only, but only because there is no real evolutionary socialist movement yet.
>>695820052
No, that's real capitalism. Who are you to tell the rich what to do with their private property? This is what capitalism has always been - it's just that up until this point or a point in the near future, you've been a beneficiary of this system and so have been willing to overlook its inherent injustice and socially-damaging outcomes.
>>695820265
Trump sold them with his name and image, something he takes great pride in. That's what they were buying in for, the weight of his reputation. How he puts his name on all his works.
Then Trump betrayed their trust and gave them a useless class. Why would you support Trump on this?
>>695819993
This was almost a good lie, but stupid ass google had to go and mess everything up.
Ill give you a strong 4 to a light 5, and an E for effort. Lies and deception... forever...
>>695811359
It's what our country is if it's obsolete you should emigrate elsewhere
>>695820397
Oh, okay. I mean I see your point. I believe in free markets, though. People should be able to buy what they want, sell what they want, and be able to do what's best for themselves financially. Have private property
yada yada yada
>>695820075
Gauging the amount of shitstorms brought on by each candidate is impossibly complicated at this stage. It's also not simply about how many incidents they cause that can be classified as a shitstorm but also the severity. For example I think Trump will cause many small shitstorm on controversial issues like immigration restrictions and repealing systems from the Obama administration etc. While Hillary will likely cause shitstorms of a massive magnitude around expanding government control and survelance and selected government representatives, although possibly less of them.
>>695808461
Hillary because I'm not mentally retarded. Fucking pissed it wasn't Bernie.
>>695810060
Yeah, and if you think you had problems before, then wait until a liberal court fucks your rights right up, and cops can go into your shit warrantlessly, pedophiles and rapists only get a few months in jail, criminals the perform home invasions in your house will have more rights to rob you than you do to defend it....yeah. very pro cop and pro criminal.
>>695819872
>Lol no don't walk it back. You basically said 'don't worry, we could just have a military coup
But again, all of this is based on the idea that he becomes Super Hitler. Dems said that of Bush, GOP said that about Obama.
>you should be jumping for joy because your ideal system works, you little twat.
No, I'm jumping up for joy because it further highlights how unstable the whole thing is. Why can't you understand some of us don't want people from a completely conflicting culture who will not integrate (just like they aren't all over europe)? Why not move to a place that is tolerant of what you want as there's nowhere for those who don't want that. Or do we deserve the gas chamber in your view?
Plus, it also disproves your point because your "safe, peaceful" muslim country has experienced a couple of terrorist attacks now the shit is starting to hit the fan there.
>Stop being scared of Muslims. I'm not saying there isn't a problem with their religion. But only like %.01 of them actually become terrorists. There will be a time in this world, hopefully, when religious extremism is a memory only.
And you will never get that with Muslims because there is no room. It is a simple fact that a liberal, pro-LGBT and women's-rights society will never merge with a muslim culture that completely forbids those things. At least with Mexicans they have a related language and we have similar enough customs.
>pic related, what you sound like
>>695820530
i don't. he did something unethical if he promised anything more than classes, but the students are just as guilty for falling for it.. unless they were promised jobs in their contract
I'm voting for Donald Trump because no way in hell am i voting for hillary!
Donated to Bernie in fall, I'm voting Trump. The biggest problem is the corruption within the government. I'm not going to fucking vote for the most corrupt candidate in history just because she isn't a republican. Trump will fix the corruption and in 2020 we can field a real candidate
>>695820833
>>695812324
What a cuckold
>>695820833
Plenty of normal democratic Muslim countries now like Morocco and Indonesia, the fundamentalists are fairly recent and will disappear.
>>695810371
>implying "conservative" justices care about the Constitution
Question that the next time they're robbing you of your civil rights guaranteed in the Constitution because of muh religion
I'm voting trump. I don't like trump, but frankly Clinton is the worse of two evils how I see it.
>>695820935
They were duped. That's not fair capitalism or anything.
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