How does /b/ think gun control should be done?
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How does /b/ think gun control should be done?
>>694060559
I use my gun to control you.
>>694060559
off course you should always use both hands.
>>694060559
Quickly and effectively.
No one with any felonious conviction should be allowed to own or purchase a firearm. Weapons of a caliber higher than .40 cal and with a clip load of 16+ should be a felonious charge immediately.
Fully automatic weapons should be banned.
"Assault type weapons" and weapons with modifications that allow larger clips, quicker cooling, quicker reloading should be banned.
Weapons original or modified to allow firing of more than a set number of rounds per minute should be banned.
Special round types such as "explosive", "incendiary" or "armor penetrating" should be banned.
All weapons should be mandatory registered to their current owner in a universal federal database with current address, SSN, and birth date.
Weapons kept for the soul purpose of sport or hunting should be registered as such and should be contained in a reasonable manner at all times unless in use.
Weapons for the sole purpose of defense should be likewise registered and the owner should prove competency in a 12hr training course with a minimum of 4hrs range time by a qualified and certified instructor.
Collectors should have special issue permits the same as vendors and be subject to regular inspection.
If you oppose any of this, your an obvious criminal.
No control at all. Its doesn't stop bad people from doing bad things.
I would rather be shot and killed than stabbed to death or run over or be pushed off a building or be choked to death or poisoned.
>>694063157
Even though I think you may be a troll I am more or less for this, expect for a couple of changes. Owner of 3 firearms which I use for hunting and dispatching animals.
When unholstering your weapon there are three things to think of when shooting. Bad guy, front sight, trigger.
That's gun control for you.
>>694060559
All regulations on firearms immediately cease on a federal level, and a constitutional amendment is added that prevents lower levels of government from denying the right to be armed.
Simultaneously, all gun grabbers should be disenfranchised and made second class citizens.
>>694063157
lol this is how you get Americans to start killing the police
give me back machine gats you fuck tard and don't try to take anymore of cheap my steel core ammo you fuckwits
No because I like my funs
Artillery should be legal too
The Government should fear the people, not the people fear it
Anyone who owns a gun should turn the barrel 360° and pull the trigger. Problem solved.
/thread
>>694063517
Not trolling. 100% serious.
We have similar regulations for cars that are arguably just as dangerous or less so, and are easier for unlicensed individuals to obtain than a gun.
12hrs instruction is FAR less than what most people have to have to drive a car. I think it's more than reasonable. In fact, it's really fucking lax.
>>694063844
So they should just shoot whatever is in front of them? Fucking autism.
>>694063773
I like the idea of a safety and operation course, you get a certificate with your name on it and you show that when you buy a firearm to stop dipshits who have no clue what they are doing obtaining them.
>>694063844
That what I normally do
>>694063916
Well, I am for open carry but again with licenses and regular drug tests and so on. More or less agree with everything. -Canadian
>>694063157
>Weapons of a caliber higher than .40 cal and with a clip load of 16+ should be a felonious charge immediately.
What the fuck is this.
Clearly knows nothing about firearms.
Clearly knows nothing about Hunting.
Stop Please go back to your safe place.
>>694063157
No guns faggot b8 poster
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>>694064419
I hunt with a 30/30 and my firearm only holds 6 rounds, grated the caliber thing is a bit much but 40 cal will do for pretty much everything (killing power wise)
>>694064375
Regular drug tests have proven to only be a waste of tax payer money. We tried that in Florida to prevent welfare fraud and it cost the state more than 3x what they lost on fraud cases. It's just not worth it. But s felonious conviction for drugs would be enough to void any licensure and prohibit that individual from legally obtaining a firearm.
>>694063844
>Anyone who owns a gun should turn the barrel 360° and pull the trigger.
Please, you cant even do geometry. Don't talk about guns.
>>694063157
>>694064655
Thats why you make them pay for it, I know I am clean but my neighbor sure as hell isn't (meth/coke addicted) and yet he owns a firearm and the fucking cops know about him too!
>>694060559
With both hands, possibly with a bipod.
...In all seriousness, though, background checks should probably be stepped up, and Congress needs to meaningfully redefine what is and is not an "assault weapon". The legislation is a wreck right now, and restricts features that don't actually make a firearm more effective. The term, and the laws, have become too politicized to be worth anything. This is what comes of only talking about something in the wake of a crisis.
>>694064843
>background checks should probably be stepped up
In what way?
>>694064639
45/70 govt faggit
You are ruining the firearms industry and your views will never be put into place just accept that.
There is billions of dollars against you in a fight you cannot win.
>>694064330
>Implying criminals and other dipshits get guns legally to start with.
Theft, how does it work?
>>694063157
>>694060559
If you own anything other than a hunting rifle or a shotgun you are a huge faggot.
I hunt deer and turkey and I can defend my property with the 4 firearms I own.
>we dont need pistols
>we dont need assault rifles
those are for killing people not game
/thread
>>694064639
You're a worse piece of shit than the noguns gun grabbers.
Choke to death on a dick.
>>694065004
If liberal fags only knew!
>>694060559
>gun control
>"a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
I don't believe any other "gun control" is needed.
>>694064706
I like the wood grips on this, anon. What rifle is this?
>>694060559
I'm not an American, I agree with the prevalent view in the civilized world that the state should have a monopoly on violence and that gun ownership is as a result a privilege and not a right. Self defense is a right that should be acknowledged to all human beings but exercising it via firearm is a privilege for law abiding citizens with no criminal record who are mentally fit and have been trained in responsible use of these tools. I also agree with my country's particular stance on not allowing for this purpose anything greater than a .38 special, which IMHO is already overkill...
>>694065243
Looks like a tacticooled AR-15 or some other M4 variant
>>694060559
Competency "classes" and registration for owner ship. Crims will get guns anyway BUT no classes and no rego means you probably are just gonna kill with it.
>>694065175
OMG ITS AN ASSUALT RIFLE!
ban its 30 round magclip
it shoots 911 rounds per second!
*Triggered****
>>694063157
>>694060559
There should be thorough background checks to make sure guns aren't sold to criminals, the mentally unstable, or Americans.
>>694060559
>never point a gun at anything you are not willing to kill or destroy
>do not put you finger in the trigger guard or on the trigger unless you intend to fire the gun
that is really all the gun control ever needed
>>694060559
allahu akbar :/
>>694065192
"Well regulated militia," aka slave patrols.
Lear to history.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery/
It's time to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Join the force and start a group in your area, ask me how.
>>694065004
Yeah but still if I want the people who are legally carrying firearms to know how to use them. I see dumb fuck suburban dads just ignore range officers and endanger lives at the range thinking they know best.
>How does /b/ think gun control should be done?
Treat every gun with the respect due a loaded weapon.
That way, you'll never have to say "I didn't know it was loaded."
>>694060559
Careful aim, grip with both hands, squeeze don't jerk, repeat 14x until the dumocrat or nigger is dead, thats gun control!!
>>694065490
>>694063844
>>694063157
>>694064639
>>694065721
>time to repeal the 2nd amendment
>time to repeal the only thing left that gives people the right to bear arms
okay retard stfu
No firearm restrictions. No registration required. I should have the right to defend myself without people knowing what tools I have to do it with. Background checks, eh
>>694064967
Sadly, I know that the war will never win nor will mass shootings stop but I wish that they would to be honest. Really getting sick and tired of it.
>>694064966
Well, right now gun shows are pretty much the wild west. The government should make it easier for sellers at these shows to put through the same paperwork that gun shops do. They shouldn't necessarily mandate it, but encouraging it can only make things better.
>>694066055
People are the issue not the guns!
>>694065927
ikr
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>>694065095
OP here. I agree with you. I prefer pheasant hunting myself. I also think we should do this, too.>>694063157
>>694063780
>>694063830
>>694064419
>>694064589
>>694064707
>>694064966
>>694064967
>>694065058
So many butthurt gunfags. Go back to /k/. No one who owns guns legally and uses them legally has anything to fear from gun legislation.
Only people who have something they shouldn't or have something to hide put up the "it won't stop criminals" or the "we need to defend ourselves from the government" arguments.
Good luck against the allahu ackbot-5000 and drone strikes when they deem you a credable threat, guntards. You won't win anyway. So your argument is void.
We have to at least make it harder to get guns in the hands of idiots and terrorists who use the legal system to obtain them.
Lastly the 2nd ammendment does NOT provide an individual right. It clearly provides the right of a "militia" to be armed. We do not need a militia. We have a military now. And I guarantee the formation of a militia would be seen as terrorism or treason.
>>694065465
Yes ban 30 round clips, anything larger is okay
>>694066051
exactly this. people don't realize how much infringement actually goes down
they want to do background checks for ammunition in california now
>>694063157
Ok...clearly you are retarded.
1) Registration of weapons by the government is expressly what the second amendment is about.
Every tyrannical government in the history of mankind got that way by being capable of oppressing their people. If you know where every weapon is, who owns it, and how to systematically disarm the citizens (see US under British Rule, Nazi Germany, etc) then you can easily force people into slavery.
2) Half of the semi-sensical things that you said are already in place. It has not been legal for an average person to buy an automatic weapon in the US since the 30s without a Tax Stamp and a lengthy (upwards of a year) background check. Also, all of these weapons are registered with the ATF and required specific licenses.
It is also completely illegal to import any kind of automatic weapon of any kind, even if it is demilled since the ban in the 90s. So, if you DO have a tax stamp and HAVE passed the background check, and CAN legally own one of these as a historical object, you cannot even legally repair it.
3) Whenever you open your mouth about any kind of "gun control" or try to say that the second amendment does not make sense or that they "didn't mean an assault rifle" you should remember that when the constitution was written there were more war ships in the hands of private citizens than in the hands of the federal government. That which was considered to be a civilian militia was literally whoever had the most money to buy the best weaponry available at the time and pay whoever was willing to wield it.
There is absolutely nothing criminal about demanding to own the exact same weaponry that your armed forced might use against you to take your property from you and your family in an unjust way one day.
If you don't think this could happen, just ask George Takei or the Indians.
>>694066226
All dealers at gun shows have to conduct background checks
>>694066378
>We do not need a militia.
UHHH
go look at all the militias in the united states.
>>694066268
and I agree with this. Which is why I am up for controlling who can obtain a firearm legally as well as regulating the firearms... The guns aren't the issue its retards who obtain them. (mostly rednecks to be honest as well as gangs)
>>694065490
That cop car was probably left while the cop did something. Also the cop didn't want to kill those people.
>>694060559
I'll agree with gun control when all 30 million invaders are deported. Can't deport them or you try to have an amnesty? Get fucked.
>>694066422
>>694066378
>Lastly the 2nd ammendment does NOT provide an individual right. It clearly provides the right of a "militia" to be armed.
>>694063157
CLIP! CLIIIIIP!! CCLLLLIIIIPPPP!!!! REEEEEEEEEE!!!!! NO GUNS GET OF MY BOARD!!!!!!!
>>694066378
>Good luck against the allahu ackbot-5000 and drone strikes when they deem you a credable threat, guntards
Once the Gov starts using drones against its citizens then its already lost.
Also Russia would probably support and American insurgency
>>694066678
>people
>>694066378
>No one who owns guns legally and uses them legally has anything to fear from gun legislation
They are the only ones who have something to fear
>Good luck against the allahu ackbot-5000 and drone strikes when they deem you a credable threat
>Implying soldiers would fire on their neighbors
>Lastly the 2nd ammendment does NOT provide an individual right
Pic related
Now fuck right off b8-poster
>>694066378
>No one who owns guns legally and uses them legally has anything to fear from gun legislation
I take my AR out to clear the pigs off of my ranch. The spooky scary gun made for killing that you want to ban is being used responsibly.
>>694063916
Well, I think I can agree with this. Currently, you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. However, drivers licenses are given away to 15 year olds.
Using your logic, handguns can now be purchased by a 15 year old who is in the middle of puberty.
Go fucking kill yourself.
Don't give licenses to felons or people with mental health issues.
Curb down on any black markets for guns.
Make gun shows require a FOID card before selling weapons.
Don't sell anything that can kill a room full of people in 10 seconds.
>>694065721
I feel like this is a strawman and a diversionary tactic.
Also:
>Lear to history.
Lear to Engrish.
>>694060559
1. Mandatory safe use training and a passed competency test.
2. Universal, zero time restriction loophole bullshit background checks. You want a gun? You're fucking getting processed.
3. Personal sales of guns not brokered through a licensed gun dealer who completes a new background check are felony crimes.
4. A national database of guns matched to rifling marks to serial numbers and owners is maintained. When the firearm is manufactured, this data is collected and loaded. Then when purchased, its owner is added too. This database is for government and law enforcement use only and it's for the pupose of tracking guns found/used in crimes.
5. All semiautomatic rifles must have tool-locked magazines.
>>694066505
You have obviously never read the 2nd ammendment. It doesn't forbid registration at all. It actually uses the phrase "well regulated" which is contrary to what you're saying even though all of what you said is out of context as hell.
Reading comprehension does wonders.
>>694066973
>Don't sell anything that can kill a room full of people in 10 seconds
Better ban literally all modern firearms then
>>694063844
Kill yourself.
>>694066973
>Don't sell anything that can kill a room full of people in 10 seconds.
you really don't know how guns operate, do you?
>>694066973
Yeah better not sell pool salt. I can build a nasty chlorine bomb that would kill a room full of people in 5.
>>694066718
The government failed to enforce that law, what makes you think that they won't come and seize the guns IF hitlery become democrap president to replace the muslim in chief barack bin laden
>>694060559
Easy, keep your gun on you at all times. One in the chamber.
Go Mercia!
>>694067093
it says a well regulated militia... not a well regulated list with serial numbers of guns, registrations of which guns can and can NOT be sold, dates and times of when the gun was manufactured and where it was sold and when... no none of that is included in the 2nd amendment you are right... sounds like infringement to me
>>694066378
I love the argument of "you'll never beat the goverment" but at the same time they will say how we lost every war sense Korea. So what is it? Do rice and poppy farmers with AKs know something that 16 years worth of American combat vets dont? And are you SURE American military members wouldn't steal everything they could and join the fight against the goverment? Your logic is flawed and your thoughts on gun control are absurd.
>>694067093
It says "shall not be infringed".
It has been ruled on countless occasions, and it is 100% illegal, for the federal government to keep documentation about who owns what firearms.
States may do this, but not the fed.
>>694065911
Pretty sure the vertical grip and the ported flash hider would actually make that an assault weapon in certain jurisdictions....
>>694067093
Well regulated in the language at the time meant "in proper working order" not regulated in terms of having laws against.
>>694066378
> Lastly the 2nd ammendment does NOT provide an individual right. It clearly provides the right of a "militia" to be armed.
The supreme court would like to have a word with you, faggot.
>>694067419
retard gun control
>>694064589
>muh current year
>implying that modernity is not a completely valid argument when addressing archaic or stagnant problems in first world nations.
This is a REALLY stupid strawman ATTEMPT (not even a full one) that is only used by butthurt status quo apologists. Fuck them and fuck you.
Learn to argue properly or just sit down while adults are talking.
>>694067375
I don't how I live with five shots,
Niggers are hard to kill on my block
- Tupac
>>694067419
No detachable mag, so that would be good in every state.
>people arguing over the outdated amendment of the us constitution
>a piece of paper that was supposed to be periodically updated to remain relevant (ie a musket then and an ar-15 now don't have the same damage potential)
>it never was because lol how do i governement
>>694065911
New rule: All guntards who are THIS STUPID are not permitted to own anthing more dangerous than a plastic spork.
>>694067477
Then make sure the men and women who buy them legally can fucking use then. You would think that incompetent fuckwits wouldn't exist anymore but they do.
>>694067715
>>it never was because lol how do i governement
only a retard could type this
>>a piece of paper that was supposed to be periodically updated to remain relevant (ie a musket then and an ar-15 now don't have the same damage potential)
actually no not at all
>>694067715
>>694066937
Uh no. Even if you're 21, you still have to take a class and pass a test to get a drivers license. They aren't "given out", but nice use of buzzwords.
I could walk into any gunstore and purchase a gun today without questions, testing or any validity.
I could probably do it with a stolen credit card too.
But if I walk into a car dealership, you bet your ass I get a licence check, a credit check and even a background check at most places. So YOU fuck off, retard.
>>694060559
take steady aim and hit what the fuck you're shooting at
>>694067715
Go get shot with a .50 cal round ball then a 5.56 and compare the damage faggot.
>>694063157
> No one with any felonious conviction should be allowed to own or purchase a firearm.
Already in place.
> Weapons of a caliber higher than .40 cal
Absolutely useless. Why the fuck would someone shoot up a school with a fucking barrett?
> Fully automatic weapons should be banned.
And has been at a federal level since 1986.
> "Assault type weapons" and weapons with modifications that allow larger clips, quicker cooling, quicker reloading should be banned.
There is no such thing as an "assault type weapon". There are assault rifles, but they're already banned.
> Weapons original or modified to allow firing of more than a set number of rounds per minute should be banned.
You can't control how fast someone pulls the trigger.
> Special round types such as "explosive", "incendiary" or "armor penetrating" should be banned.
They aren't any more dangerous in shootings than regular bullets.
> If you oppose any of this, your an obvious criminal.
It means you shouldn't shit on other people's sports just because you don't know anything about guns.
>>694067410
Well, since we lost every war, then lets keep our weapons since the military is ineffective.
>>694060559
Gun control is utter bullshit.
>muh cheen guhns!
Are useful in a warzone. Jamal has no real use for them.
>muh mass shooting
Kill so few people they aren't relevant. Not to mention, bombs will always be the most effective tool for a lone mass murder.
>gun control makes us safer
Jamal could threaten you with a knife, you're still going to do whatever he says.
>no one needs an "assault rifle"
Yes, yes, the government is evil and racist and only cares about the rich, except when guns come up, then the government is perfection.
>whata you gonna do!?! shoot an tank with your ar!?!
Ahmed and charlie laugh heartily at your ignorance.
>>694063157
>your an obvious criminal
>your
this faggot
also
>clip
>>694068216
>>694067093
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
This means, since you clearly do not understand it, that any person or state belonging to the union, undersigned, may form a regulated militia (NRA, which was formed to train the government) in order to own firearms as a means of defending the state against enemies both foreign and domestic (terrorists and Hillary Clinton) and we will not come and get your guns like the British did or we understand that you will shoot back, like we all did when the British came to take our guns.
>>694066268
Gun availability exacerbates the risk of death to the most extreme levels.
People can stop a crazed knifeman or hammer man. Only guns make a crazy retard's necessary skill level required to kill zero.
>>694067094
That means you can keep any bolt action rifles.
\>>694063157
>No one with any felonious conviction should be allowed to own or purchase a firearm.
Already is
Weapons of a caliber higher than .40 cal and with a clip load of 16+ should be a felonious charge immediately.
No
>Fully automatic weapons should be banned.
No
>"Assault type weapons" and weapons with modifications that allow larger clips, quicker cooling, quicker reloading should be banned.
No
>Weapons original or modified to allow firing of more than a set number of rounds per minute should be banned.
No, obviously civilians shouldnt have a chain gun though
>Special round types such as "explosive", "incendiary" or "armor penetrating" should be banned.
No
>All weapons should be mandatory registered to their current owner in a universal federal database with current address, SSN, and birth date.
Wouldnt mind
>Weapons kept for the soul purpose of sport or hunting should be registered as such and should be contained in a reasonable manner at all times unless in use.
No
>Weapons for the sole purpose of defense should be likewise registered and the owner should prove competency in a 12hr training course with a minimum of 4hrs range time by a qualified and certified instructor.
No
>Collectors should have special issue permits the same as vendors and be subject to regular inspection.
No
You sound fucking stupid, youre brainwashed.
I'll allow the citizen to own a 30 round magazine with a fully auto ak/ar/ battle rifle
A simple paid for passing an online literacy and safety course at certain ages would be cool. Like 10, 15, 20, 25, etc.
In this day and age I should be able appropriately arm myself whichever way I please, and if I pass a background check and im clean, I get to spend the money I earned buying what I want because I earned that. Gunfree zones dont work. Education does.
>>694068403
Is that a challenge?
>>694066781
>completely change the sentence structure to prove your uneducated attempt at a point
This is the literal definiton of a strawman argument.
Congratulations, you just lost the debate.
>>694067998
Hey, that's pretty good.
Only give guns to suicidal people
Why can't they do like the old west and make municipal bylaws in high crime urban areas?
Instead of turning in your gun at the sheriff's office or saloon, you turn it in at the kfc.
>at no point did I mention negros.
>>694067983
>actually no not at all
mfw i know the us constitution better than actual 'murican
>>694068403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_a7pXWi6xo
>>694068513
I have never actually 'needed' a select fire or full auto anything, but fuck me they are fun.
>>694068216
>>694068295
I'm for gun control but I'll be the first to admit these people are retarded...
>>694066378
The point is that once the government starts killing citizens en masse, everyone knows it's jumped the shark and has lost all legitimacy. Also, guerilla warfare doesn't work out too well for large, traditional militaries.
Also, America has plenty of militias right now. They just prefer to be called security contractors or private military companies. Somewhat shady, yes, but legal. So long as you don't go shooting up the place, there's not much stopping you from getting a bunch of buddies, a handful of rifles, training your asses off, and having grandma make you all patches.
>>694068692
actually it seems that you don't
>>694067886
says who? you?
Well go and disarm them then tough guy
>>694067998
>comparing improvement in peacefull technology to improvement in weapons that only purpose is killing
>muricans actually believe this is a good argument
Why don't people just run optional buybacks, see if the nig nogs will voluntarily sell their guns. I mean if I was a nigger I would drop my piece for some quick cash
>>694068759
brrrrt brrrt brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt, fuck yeah, WOO
>And thats america, fuck yeah
>>694067886
Actually most mental wards remove the knives and forks from the lunch kits.
I'm a nurse anesthetist. I've tranq'd quite a few crazies in my day.
>>694068865
>being this ignorant while arguing about the very issue
lol ok fam
>>694063157
>clips
I can't take you seriously
>>694068954
There is no such thing as "peaceful technology", only technology of which firearms are under
You can't stop progress, even when it is for things you think are scary.
Bow and arrows have gotten deadlier as time goes on too, should be ban those as well?
>>694066469
I heard about this...
And they want people to turn in mags that are over capacity.
I'm really curious how this is going to go. I'm guessing it will be like 95%+ non-enforcement like Mass and NY when they tried it.
This kind of shit is what is going to start a civil war...not police shooting niggers.
>>694066523
huh, ok then, strike that! Leaning more towards the bipod route now...
>>694063157
spot on. now heres a pepe as your reward
>>694069190
actually not really
>>694068954
>implying we don't need weapons for killing
Clearly never tried to do large scale pest control with a single shot bolt action.
>>694068954
at the time it was written the 2nd amendment applied to all size of cannons (the most powerful weapon of the time) and cannister shot which turned the cannon into a 1000 projectile per shot anti personnel weapon
>>694068567
>Changed the wording not the structure to prove punctuation and structure are actually relevant to the conversation.
Can't debate facts, origin or intent so instead bases entire argument on feelings.
Grown ups are talking the little kid table is that way>>>>>>>
>>694069085
Gun buybacks are for old ladies who want to sell their dead husband's shotgun and get a gift card for Olive Garden, because that's mainly who go to them
>>694069216
oh of course but they will use the high profile shootings of this past week to pass bullshit legislation on the sly and if Hillary gets in November.... oh boy hide yo guns hide yo puppers because shit will be going down.
>>694066766
What is this?
>>694069003
And let the military protect you!
>>694060559
It should not be done at all little flower
>>694067998
>>694068593
No it isn't, it's 100% retarded.
This is a completely non-sequitur argument. the core system of freedom of speech has not changed at all. It's "technology" is universal--opinionated verbal communication.
The argument that the founding fathers could have possibly understood what technology would turn the firearm into is asinine and is even addressed vicarious through quote from the same men.
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Firearms training should be mandatory in school and be done around the age of 8.
Then everyone will have the "training" that liberals think everyone needs.
>>694066781
Only the free can have and bare arms.
>>694066226
Everyone at a gun show has to do the exact same thing that a shop does.
I always here democratic politicians use the phrase "the gun show loophole" but I have no fucking idea what that is...
You can't just like...go to a gun show and buy a gun if you're not allowed to do it at a shop. They still take your ID and do a NICS check on everyone.
This is the shit that gets me. They're all Lawmakers and they have no effing clue how their own laws even work. All they know is that they passed a bunch of legislation and it didn't do anything so they pass more.
>>694060559
Oh fuck this thread
>>694069085
I fucking wish they'd bring back those buy-backs.
>stand on the sidelines buying guns for cheap by offering a couple hundred more than the buyback
>buy cheap-shit guns (read: hi-points) and sell them to the buyback at a profit
>all the while laughing at the idiots who set this whole thing up
>>694069492
Waste of education money.
Billions of dollars down the shitter
>>694068334
>>694068334
Both wrong. "Regulated" as it is used here has nothing to do government regulations. However the government can "come get your guns" in certain situations. "Infringe" means to illegally deprive you of a right, however it does not imply that said right is unlimitedin scope or cannot be regulated in a lawful way. Scalia made this very point in the heller decision
>>694060559
*with a gun
>>694069525
>>694069627
>They're all Lawmakers and they have no effing clue how their own laws even work
honestly bro they understand how the laws work at even a base level (maybe some actual retards don't) but they just repeat "gun show loophole" ad nauseum as a political talking point because as you aptly described.. some general idiots think that people in America can buy a gun with cash and there is absolutely no record of it with the state or legal documentation for it... if that is the case then it is an illegal transaction
>>694069492
>that liberals understand everyone needs.
FTFY
>>694069692
>I fucking wish they'd bring back those buy-backs.
I got a $50 Walmart gift card in exchange for a broken BB gun I bought as a kid for $7.
Went to Walmart and bought $50 of 9mm ammo.
>>694067678
No magazine at all, in fact! Ahead of the curve!
>>694064843
Assault weapon = full automatic. Semi-auto = non assault weapon.
>>694060559
we were killing each other just fine before guns, guns just make it easier.
>>694069804
>"ban guns because kids shoot themselves when they find daddy-cletus's revolver!"
>"educate kids about guns, severely reducing the chance of a kid pulling the trigger if they find a gun? no way!"
>>694069478
>The argument that the founding fathers could have possibly understood what technology would turn the firearm into is asinine and is even addressed vicarious through quote from the same men
Google "Puckle Gun"
Also
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington
>>694070225
this happens all day every day in America and all over the world as long as there is a supply there will be a demand.
>>694069413
Well I'm mostly interested because MD has pretty tight gun control.
I was thinking about buying some stuff before they pass another round of garbage.
Might build something so it's not registered or something.
I'd just like to see some kind of enforcement attempt and see what happens. It would be a complete disaster. Mass said they had like 2.5m mags and 175,000 guns they they wanted people to turn in. (Those people are now felons btw) They talked on the new about the police collecting them but the police only had like 1500 of the equivalent firearms. That would be a good stand off. =P
>>694069478
>The argument that the founding fathers could have possibly understood what technology would turn the firearm into is asinine and is even addressed vicarious through quote from the same men.
Well you'd be wrong, at the time of the signing there were many firearms being patented that were basically multi-shot muskets. To assume the founders didn't foresee firearms technology advancing beyond the type carried then is ridiculous. And if they had any notion of limiting the types they would have at the very least argued the validity of such. They didn't, a few actually coveted the Puckle Gun and other multi shot firearms and if not for the cost and English sanctions they would likely have owned and or been fine with civilian ownership.
>>694070573
Who are you quoting?
>>694069119
If you're not american, please go to bed, this doesn't concern you.
>>694070729
of course there will be but I don't agree with the pointless regulation that limits responsible gun owners or just freedom in general and also in effect creates a black market where illegal transactions take place.
I happen to live in California so I understand the audacity of the worst gun regulations better than most.
What an anti-gun crusader looks like before brain damage.
>>694071038
Cali bro here as well, all my shit is going to be made featureless if I'm unable to exit prior to 2018. Arizona here I come.
>>694070928
dear america, it will stop concerning the rest of the world when you'll be able to keep your temper tantrum at home
Signed,
The rest of the world
>>694069432
As someone pointed out, the military can't protect us, so we need to arm ourselves to repel invaders.
>>694071360
Red dawn was a movie not an accurate prediction
>>694065004
Well Christ let's just not have any laws since criminals are just going to ignore them.
>>694067715
>musket then and an ar-15 now don't have the same damage potential
You're right, a musket ball would leave you with an irreparable wound and you would probably die from lead poisoning anyways even if you do get plugged up.
>>694071301
Dear Everyone Else,
Stop letting faggot shitskins rape you and or stop crying to us for help and we'd gladly stay in our own country.
Signed the USA
>>694070225
Well there are some states where you can buy certain things with cash and carry it out...but that is all state based legislation.
Like I know florida has pretty loose person to person. You can just basically meet a guy in a parking lot and give them cash and a bill of sale and sell them a hand gun in FL.
MD you can do that with a long gun. And my dad and I have C&R...anything on the C&R or 50 years old you can just buy and have shipped right to you or do cash and carry.
But again...that shit is state based and it's not a loophole. It's the same law as if you went to a store. If you bought from the store owner he could sell it to you cash and you could leave w/o the paperwork. It's not like a show is fucking magic.
>>694070194
well considering the modern right is a bunch of xenophobic bigoted retards who would like to re-establish this nation as a Christian Theocracy...
I guess the left is the "freedom" side? I mean, they ARE responsible for 100% of the civil rights victories of the past century...
>>694068216
Fuck, that reminds me, I need to buy tools.
>>694071587
>musket ball
>more deadly than a NATO round
WOW.
>>694071542
Laws have never stopped criminals. That's why they're criminals
Laws exist to keep honest men honest and provide a framework for a society.
Murder is illegal, but no one is stopping you from grabbing a knife and stabbing your neighbor to death
The argument that we don't need any more gun laws is because they would only affect law abiding gun owners and do nothing to stop actual criminals
>>694071301
And just how does restricting weapons that private citizens own affect what the us military has done around the world?
You stupid son of a bitch, I'll bet you can't show one instance where a private US citizens weapon was involved in a foreign conflict? FOAD
>>694070928
Am murican
ate bacon and eggs this morning
smoked lots of weed
made money from online advertising
posting on 4chan at 158am EST
>>694071176
Is the dude in the target picture holding a Calico?
>>694070462
Actually not true.
Assault Weapon is defined as a gun with a selector switch. So, you could choose between auto and semi auto.
So, a gatling gun is not even an assault weapon. It's a stupid term and I wish people would stop using it.
And you can't even buy anything that is an assault weapon in the US since the 30s.
>>694068055
but a musket takes a fuck long time to reload one bullet, an ar can pour out 30 in that amount of time
>>694060559
It should be like in my country. Not allowed to own a weapon, unless you need it. And the only people that need it are:
-members of the party
-militia officers
-hunters, which are 99% party members or officers
-people that work in the national woods.
Everyone else does not need a weapon.
>>694071855
PREACH!
>>694070818
The 2nd Amendment specifies "ARMS''. Not "GUNS".
"Arms" of the time included rifles, pistols, cannons, grenades, swords, bayonets.
The "Militia" part was written to specifically guarantee the ownership of Military Arms because a "Well regulated militia" kinda NEEDS Military arms.
So, technically, you're allowed to own a machine gun but have no specific guarantee to own a hunting rifle.
>>694071855
>I guess the left is the "freedom" side? I mean, they ARE responsible for 100% of the civil rights victories of the past century...
Inb4 they switched sides (Who was Robert Byrd)
Sides weren't switched, the message has been the same, just traded the plantations and chains for housing projects and welfare.
>>694063157
make me faggot
>>694072128
I've only smoked weed 4x in my life, not a big fan.
I had canadian bacon and egg for bfast
online advertising money? No clue what you are referring to
>>694070462
High-capacity, quick change magazines in semiauto with stabilizers is also assault weapon.
It's a "loadout" the sole purpose of which is insurgent pushback--meaning the firearm is designed specifically for targeting groups of humans accurately.
The AR-15 base was designed of the military and is functionally no different from the M-16 other than it is one pull, one fire instead of select-fire. The maker of it said himself it was never intended for civilian ownership.
Even Saint Ronnie Raygun said it was idiotic to want weapons like (the AK series) for "sport" or "hunting" and that it makes no sense that weapons like that should be allowed to the public for ownership.
While stupid butthurt gun owners argue terminology and sematic loopholes, people are being MURDERED by these weapons of death. THAT is the bottom line here.
>>694060559
I think all the inner city niggers should get a free gun dispensary. then barricade the fucking animals and let them chimpout on each other. 3 months tops BLM problem is solved.
>>694072395
>durr Democrats are the real racists
faggot
>>694071636
Dear USA
if you stopped training and supplying terrorist/insurgent the rest of the world wouldn't need you to come clean up your mess.
>>694066226
I like the new phrase "terror watchlist loophole" being used by gun control fanatics to describe giving due process to people on an FBI watch list. Why don't they just call it that "14th Amendment loophole."
>>694072523
>I've only smoked weed 4x in my life
autism detected
>>694071855
what rights all they have done is take rights away.
The Clinton's are single handedly responsible for imprisoning thousands of black kids that now have a criminal record and could never get a job.
Obama is responsible for the genocide of Christians in the middle east what rights do you speak of.
>>694071955
it is true
NATO designed their rounds to comply with the terms of the Geneva Conventions
the Geneva Conventions prohibit ammunition that causes excessive wounds
musket rounds were .33 to .50 caliber with just subsonic speed, so they would rip chunks of flesh off and shatter entire bones causing the target to be disabled no matter where the bullet struck
5.56 NATO (roughly .22 caliber) is designed to penetrate Soviet body armor and kill when piercing vital organs while leaving superficial wounds otherwise
>>694070696
You realize the puckle gun was extremely expensive and couldn't move right?
>>694072676
>The Clinton's are single handedly responsible for imprisoning thousands of black kids
>Obama is responsible for the genocide of Christians in the middle east
lying faggot
>>694071255
Good riddance.
>>694072588
Dear cocksucker, you and your coward country arent doing anything
>>694072526
Grow up
>>694071587
Actually, it wasn't the lead that killed you...modern bullets are still lead.
The thing that cause most of the deaths during the civil war was infection.
When you load the musket the ball has a patch (a piece of cloth that you wrap around it to make it fit snugly into the barrel). The was lubricated so it would go into the barrel. Well they usually used lard or spit. So if you got shot, you'd have a broken up lead ball with cotton patch covered in burned powder and animal fat, blood, spit, etc.
Then when they went to extract the ball/patch (there was this notion back then that you HAD to get the ball out, which is really medically not true) they would generally do this in the battlefield with unsterilized tools (they didn't really know about this at the time) and give you a worse infection. Later you either straight die of an infection or the limb is gangrenous and is amputated.
>>694072746
The fuck does that have to do with anything? We're talking about envisioning repeating arms, which existed in the 18th century
>>694072746
you realize it still existed so that thinking that the founding fathers who wrote the 2A had no foresight is the real argument right? nice dodge though faggot
>>694072109
Actually a canadian soldier was killed by a us native american during the oka crisis
your move now
>>694066853
>>694067488
No, he's a random faggot on /b/. He knows much more than the Supreme Court about the history of the Second Amendment.
>>694060559
All guns manufactured after December 15, 1791 shall be illegal.
>>694072676
>Obama is responsible for the genocide of Christians in the Middle East
>Clintons responsible for the known problems of REAGAN's war on drugs and the overcorporatization of the prison system that profits on jailing people that was allowed to occur under BUSH JR.
>>694072523
get your shit together summer
Lets look at australia, when gun crime went down knife crime went up. Sure you may argue that knives are harder to kill with but then we have fuckers trying to ban knifes in australia.
>>694072526
>The maker of it said himself it was never intended for civilian ownership.
Source?
Eugene Stoner has NEVER said that in public, his family has claimed (some years after his death) that he did, that's hearsay and wouldn't hold up in court.
Pic related. Colt bought the patent, marketed the rifle as a hunting rifle...to civilians.... and not a peep out of Papa Stoner.
>>694066678
>Also the cop didn't want to kill those people.
That sounds like poor training. I hope he got demoted back to jail duty.
>>694072832
Said the gun-clinging paranoid retard.
LOL!
>>694072774
these are facts look them up get off /b and watch the news.
>>694071855
Define what christian theocracy is...and provide an example.
You fucking imbecile.
>>694073060
I know, I was there. And it was just 1.
>>694072676
>>694072700
5.56 NATO was designed to be non-lethal.
The ammo tumbles or expands on impact.
When it was designed, they considered that most trained military worked in teams of 4. If you used an armor piercing 7.62 or .308 round, you would not only have more recoil and get fewer rounds on target, but you would tend to simply kill your target.
If you're fighting a team of 4 and you kill one of them, the other three keep fighting. If you seriously wound one of them (severely injure a limb, etc) then two men are forced to extract him while one lays cover fire. This disables the entire team.
223 is EXCEPTIONALLY accurate under 200 yards with low recoil. Ideal for putting maximum rounds down range accurately. Not designed to kill, only to wound.
>>694072850
Thanks for clearing that up, Anon. I learn something new everyday.
>>694073390
The state of Israel, only not jewish, but Christian. A classic theocracy.
>>694073060
is that where Canada's abos got a Sherman tank, blocked a road with it, and declared independence?
>>694073605
>5.56 NATO was designed to be non-lethal.
So why is it so good at killing people?
Pls think
>>694073341
Yeah! I want mur death! The the darkies are ruinin Murica!
>>694069804
Billions of dollars? Does this gun training come with a free iPad and a blowjob from a pricey hooker?
>>694073298
>Marketed it as a "hunting rifle" to civilians
Yes, the same way Bath Salts and designer synthetic cannabinoids are marketed as "not for consumption" and Alkyloid Nitrates are marketed as "deodorizers".
Colt's bottom line was sales and the paranoid guntard is an easy-to-manipulate sucker. Does that thing LOOK like a huntsman's rifle to you?
>>694060559
Every Citizen in the country of reasonably sound mind should be armed at all times in public. Do these people realize that violent crimes take place most often when the target victims are unarmed easy pickings? I guarantee you that if criminals had to factor in the concept that 9/10 citizens are carrying weapons, they would be much less inclined to commit the crime based on Risk > Rewards rather than vice-versa.
>>694073768
He's correct, they were at least designed to be less lethal on impact with non-vitals. If you read the whole post you would understand.
>>694073903
It does and that's why I have 5 of them in various calibers.
>>694073446
Doesn't matter how many casualties this is the one instance requested
>>694073912
so road raged john gets cut off on the highway and pulls out his piece to shoot the fag tgat cut him off, only to start a shootout in the middle of the fucking road? Makes no goddamn sense to me
>>694073912
I have family from Switzerland. They aren't aloud to carry ammunition.
>>694073607
There was some medical nerd that came to the gun club and was talking about it. Actually kind of interesting.
Apparently the field medicine during the civil war was actually quite good. You don't really think of it as being very good. But it was supposedly not much worse than today.
They only real problems that they had (which is what caused literally hundreds of thousands of deaths at that time) is they they were simply unaware that you had to keep everything very clean.
He was also saying that if you could go back and just tell them to leave the bullet in instead of trying to take it out, in many cases the person would have fully recovered and just had a bullet in their leg. Instead, they had a notion that "we MUST get the bullet and all the fragments out!" and they would get everything infected and cost them a limb or their life.
>>694073912
>safe storage laws
>regular inspections
>required safe use training
Funny how Switzerland is so safe and also has ALL the same gun laws liberals want to install in the US!
>>694073624
Either you're 12, or a retard.
Or both. Punch yourself in face twice, you fucking mistake.
It's not the guns you should be worried about, it's the bullets that'll get ya.
>>694072574
prove me wrong asshat
>>694072195
>Assault Weapon is defined as a gun with a selector switch.
You're describing an "assault rifle," asshole. An assault weapon is a nebulous term for a semi-automatic rifle with various features.
Learn your shit, dumbfuck.
>>694074152
>so road raged john gets cut off on the highway and pulls out his piece to shoot the fag tgat cut him off, only to start a shootout in the middle of the fucking road? Makes no goddamn sense to me
You do realize that there are already laws prohibiting that...........Right?
>>694074452
underrated post
>>694074152
Lol "Road-raged John" Is obviously not of "reasonably sound mind". And if Road-rage John had to worry about taking one to the head if he pulled his weapon, it may just cool him off. There should be a Fire-arms aptitude test to qualify to carry of course, but the policy should make it easy for Law abiding citizens to protect themselves at all times.
>>694074299
>must get the bullet out mentality
Lead is extremely harmful to the human body, friend.
>>694073672
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oka_Crisis
>>694074316
Two things Switerland doesn't have?
1: A Second Amendment affirming the right of the populace to be armed.
2: Chicago.
>>694073605
>tumbler rounds
>still using Vietnamese anti-US propaganda
5.56 NATO does not tumble or expand on impact
both of those are specifically prohibited by the Geneva Conventions
the closest 5.56 NATO gets to doing those things is shattering when striking bone, which is true of almost every round
5.56 NATO has a steel core
that core uses the rest of the round as sabot when hitting body armor giving a small point, high density, high velocity projectile that will pierce the armor
there are commercially made 5.56 rounds designed to explode (Vermin Grenades)
but those are not sold to the militaries of any Geneva Conventions signatory (ie all nations)
>>694074324
Because what Israel is not a theocratic country?
>>694073624
Israel isn't a theocracy, you fucking ignoramus.
>>694074324
Imagine Iran but Christian.
>>694074510
Doesnt prevent an angry fuck from pulling a gun on someone. Its just whether theyre man enough to pull the trigger
>>694074324
>>694073390
Hey everybody! This retarded nigger is MAD!
See how MAD he retarded ass is? His retarded ass is MAD!
>>694074557
How do you suggest screening for road rage then?
>>694060559
I don't think guns should be banned, but there has to be a good way to restrict them so that there won't be so many people wanting to shoot up places. I also think each 1 should come with a trigger lock so kids don't get a hold of them.
>>694074624
It's a democracy you fucking jackass
>>694073830
government run
cheap
choose one
>>694074700
and correct.
u mad bruh?
>>694074152
makes perfect sense we don't need people like that in our society they are better off dead once they are all dead the world is a better place.
>implying that ass hole would just ram you off the road and just kill you with his big nigger gorilla sized hands.
>>694074655
Lol. It basically is. It's like how people say America is a democracy when it's a republic.
>>694074675
Actually, it does.
Are you brain damaged?
>>694074768
>a good way to restrict them so that there won't be so many people wanting to shoot up places
stop making so many damn violent video games
>inb4 violent video games don't cause mass shootings
prove it
>>694063157
Seems pretty reasonable to me, actually.
>>694073816
Why are you so racist, faggot? It makes you sound ignorant.
>>694060559
Turn over control of all life to machines that ban humans from owning guns.
https://discord.gg/012OE9ge1GbmdqbZD
come visit b discord.
>>694074577
Just telling you what the doctor said.
They leave bullets in people all the time nowadays. 90% of modern bullets are lead or jacketed lead....
>>694074664
You're too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.
>>694075063
Stop it with these fucking blanket statements. You have no arguments si you're using ad Homs.
>>694073912
The fact that the country is almost completely nigger free does help though
>>694074768
Congratulations, your logical and reasonable views comprise about 50% of what the liberal "hurr durr gungrabbers" want.
If it wasn't for the conspiracy guntards and the NRA, this would be a moot point. We'd have all the laws and sane regulations we want and we'd be a lot safer. But the NRA gets its money from gun manufacturers whose profits go up when there is fear of gungrabbing and when mass shootings occur. Do the math. The NRA WANTS mass shootings and a fearful, ignorant population of gun owners. They're a literal terrorist organization.
Here's how we do it:
Have a buyback where we purchase all weapons back, and after a specified date make having a firearm punishable by 25 years mandatory imprisonment. Anyone caught selling them will get life without parole. Stomp out the illegal arms trade coming in from Mexico by effectively and publically prosecuting all illegal arms dealers.
Make it federal law that all firearms, in whatever form they are in, are heavily prohibited.
Give me one reason why someone needs a firearm in this modern world.
>>694074754
I never said there shouldn't be rigorous screening, if you have history of mental illness in your immediate family, or history of violence/criminal charges etc. then there are more considerations to be made. However, a Firearms-aptitude course should include keeping your cool with your weapon, and demonstrating self-control
>>694074780
Yeah right. A country founded on the basis that "God gave us eternal rights to lands owned by other people". Where black people can just waltz in just because they share religion. Where 2/3 of the parties in the kneset are religious or nationalist and religious at the same time? Please, it is as much as democracy as my country.
>>694074603
3.A powerfull lobby that cater to the worst nutjob in the country
Hey rednecks!
Having a collection of guns is not gonna hold back the govt if and when it decides to oppress u. Fuck u gonna do vs a tank or a missile?
>>694074817
You know schools used to have shooting clubs up through the 80s. Publicly-funded, and somehow they didn't bankrupt schools.
Take your shitty Gary Johnson trope and shove it up your ass, plebe.
