Hillary cleared....let the butthurt commence
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Hillary cleared....let the butthurt commence
>>693268103
Hillary doesnt kill people terrorists do
Hillary will win by a landslide
Damn, cant even get a bite today....
:|
Just because the director of the FBI says not to indict and the attorney general is in her pocket doesn't mean she isn't a criminal. This just speaks to the insane levels of corruption that permeates every level of the government.
>>693271226
To be a criminal you would need proof she purposely used the email server to leak information....no leaks and no intention of doing so. Did she make a mistake YES, it will make her a better president in the end.
>>693271800
> shit bait
>>693271800
Carelessness can also result in criminal charges. Wreckless driving, involuntary manslaughter, public intoxication...
>>693271891
its not even shit bait, its less than shit.
its bait with a limp dick
its not even trying
>>693271800
if being stupid was a legitimate defence the prisons would have half as many niggers
>>693271800
We both know that if you or I did the exact sa me thing as she did, we'd be serving 25 to life.
Yet she continues to walk free.
This bait was designed for Tumblr fags. Go, my child. You know what must be done.
>>693268103
> /pol/tards keep saying she will get indicted
> she's found not guilty
/pol/ is wrong again
>>693271999
>>693272278
>>693272290
Does she need retraining? YES. Did she try to undermine the US No. Retrain and move along. If she does it again, then we have an issue
>>693272665
So what you are saying is that either everyone gets one freebie, or she gets a freebie because she is some one of importance...
>Snowden for prez 2020
>>693272665
No amount of retraining is going to fix her overt corruption and utter disdain for rules, regulations and national security. 20 years of prison might, though.
>>693272853
>>693272880
Obvious repubs are obvious
Have fun dreaming about your trump wall
>>693273017
If she, by anon, needs "retraining", then how the hell does that make her fit to run for office?
It doesnt. I'll take Bernie over her all day, every day.
Sure I'll bite......if you listened to Comey's report, they didn't recommend criminal charges. However he did say there was evidence of gross negligence and carelessness on her part. Yet they couldn't prove intent. Seems counterintuitive, why do you need to prove intent on negligence? Who intends to be negligent? Either way, she fucked up and her servers were probably hacked by people who didn't make it obvious. Her defense is that she set up those servers but didn't know that classified info would come through, which is also bullshit. She was the secretary of state for fucks sake.
>>693268103
Waiting for that one person w/ a .50 cal and the skill to make that mile shot...
>>693273017
Not even an American, you democratic apologist. She is an obvious corporate sellout and thoroughly corrupt. Did you know she tried to delete all these emails from her illegal server before the investigation? The FBI had to recover the emails, why do you think she did that? If she was innocent why did she try purge the evidence?
>>693273142
Well Bush invaded Iraq, how did that turn out?
She says she did it for convenience, everything adds up if you ask me
>>693273150
Im ok with this jpg.
Fuck Hillary, but fuck Trump more.
>>693268103
people will view it as more corruption on the part of the Clintons.
>>693273285
I dont know the whole story, maybe she tried to delete them because thats what people do with old things. Again no evidence found of trying to leak the evidence, if they found that I would totally agree to prosecute
>>693272665
Yes, give everyone a second chance when they mishandle TOP SECRET information. Seriously, what the fuck?
Oh, she didn't intend to do it? Why does that matter so much to everybody? A mishandled secret is a mishandled secret.
I'm not American, and I don't even personally care about things like state security, secrets, etc, but in a country like the US that is so militant about shit like that, Hillary getting off the hook scot free is frankly, a bit bizarre, don't you think?
>>693273822
No I dont agree. There is no evidence of LEAKED info.
>>693273150
Yeah, the report was straight double talk. My favourite part:
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences."
>>693273732
No. She was secretary of state, those emails belonged to the public and were to be kept as public record. They also recovered some of those emails and found that some of those that were deleted had top secret classified information, that she had tried to hide from the investigation after saying that there were no secret documents on her server. If anyone else tried that shit they would be behind bars.
Funny how it came out so soon after the wikileak.
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>>693274045
Because it waste other 30,000 she was given time to erase.
> the guy who set up the server wasn't a fucking Comcast guy
> pleads the 5th constantly
> Hillary lies and says she didn't know anything was wrong
> been working in government for years never dawned before to use yahoo mail?
> top kek
> Hillary foundation is biggest scam in the world how do you think she pays everyone off
> check where the money goes
> already traces of multiple fraud on money transfers
> being paid for things she's never done
>>693274045
The FBI report states that in principle, the server was hackable, and they admitted that they wouldn't even be able to tell whether or not it was hacked.
The point I'm trying to make is that it shouldn't matter that there were no ill effects (that we know of) as a result of what the FBI is calling "gross negligence" on Clinton's part. The problem is that in principle, as the secretary of state, as somebody who should have absolutely known better, Clinton didn't do the right thing.
trump fags btfo
>>693274425
And also consider, that when Clinton was forced to give over her emails from the server, 30,000 were submitted, and another 30,000 were wiped off the face of the earth by her attorneys, specifically using processes that would render the emails impossible to recover. The FBI report states this. It also states that they were only able to recover about 1000 of those emails, from other email accounts that Clinton corresponded with. And there were secrets in those emails. And there are 29,000 more, mysteriously gone.
For the record, I'm not a trumpfag. I don't really care that much about politics, just pointing out what I think is strange about this thing.
>>693268265
ok sure
>>693268103
ah nice vive hillary!
im a french socialist hahahahahahahahahaha :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>693274991
"Many Libyans condemned the attacks and praised the late ambassador. They staged public demonstrations condemning the militias (formed during the 2011 civil war to oppose leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi)[12][13][14] that were suspected of the attacks."
>>693274991
Why do people blame Obama and Hillary for this? It's like blaming Bush for 9/11....
>>693275428
bush reacted and quickly
they did not
>>693275428
>It's like blaming Bush for 9/11
>implying
:-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>693274991
because they saw this as a great endorsement opportunity....fuck off
No one wanted this to happen, kind of like every other terrorist attack
>>693275606
You mean "made things worse they did not"
>>693268103
Not cleared
>>693273771
kys
>>693274991
>raped
>tortured
>cattle prodded
Is there any proof for that?
>>693275428
u wot m8
>>693268103
>>693275928
kys for replying to cancer you cancerous faggot
>>693276025
zero proof of any of it. and even if there was, hillary didn't do any of it. just silliness.
>>693275045
You are the cancer of this country.
>corrupt politician getting away with crimes
And we're surprised why?
>>693276187
"It's the end of the world as we know it!"
>>693274991
not a picture of stevens. he was found unconscious from smoke inhalation in a locked room, and evac'ed to a hospital immediately
>>693274991
>>693276309
She needs to be assassinated. She can dodge prison, but she can't dodge a bullet. I want to see the bitch burn.
>>693271800
There is such a thing as criminal negligence.
>>693276025
>>693276252
see
>>693276469
it's not him
>>693273545
Yeah Hillary is the literal embodiment of a corrupt politician whose family has been in power for generations but trump said things that hurt my feelings so obviously he's worse
>>693276557
>She needs to be assassinated.
Well what are you waiting for?
she's corrupt, at least Trump doesn't try to cover up the truth like a coward.
>>693276725
No cause he's a fucking idiot who is obviously not competent as a statesman.
For instance, I'd rather have a maffia boss running my daycare centre than a guy with Down's syndrome.
>>693276725
one hundred and sixty nine
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>>693268103
Cleared? Barely. What's important now is that she was deemed by a govt agency in an official release based on a long, drawn out, and extremely detailed investigation that she is far too stupid to hold any office whatsoever.
>>693277014
yeah nice damage control attempt. you're fooling no one though. it's over. she's already won, sadly.
>>693276469
The smoke thing was proven false.
>>693276859
At least he's not a politician already.
You're saying it's worse forward a regular citizen to have lawsuits filed against them than elected politicans? Ok.
>>693268528
Nope she will get trumped
>>693276513
>>693276859
You're one of the last decent people still here, I imagine you'll be gone soon?
All predictions point to a president Trump.
>>693268103
Dindu nuffin
>>693277127
you want someone who cant handle two email accounts to control you government? good luck man
>>693277127
Doesn't make it less true.
>>693276859
>civil lawsuits being compared to a national security case from the FBI
I'm not for trump at all but you liberals really are fucking retarded
>>693276857
I think his billions of dollars and multi companies would disagree with you on that one
>>693276859
>someone else is wrong, therefore someone else can't be wrong at the same time
>>693268103
Aunt Hilary 2016
>>693276513
Srs question
What did Reagan sell to Iran? Didn't he support Iraq in the Iran Iraq war?
>>693277330
generalizations are totes smarties amirite?
>>693277330
>his billions of dollars
LMFAO
>>693277330
I've heard very mixed accounts of him being a great business man. From what I can tell the Trumps literally only sell a brand, which his father built up. Trump Towers are not owned or built by Trump companies, they literally just sell the name.
Besides, running a country and running a company aren't even close to the same thing. A company is hierarchical, and Trump has shown how he can be a stubborn guy with little regard for subtlety. Running a country requires you to take dozens of interests into account with every decision you make. I highly doubt that Trump would be any good at all.
>>693277330
I think you mean his alleged billions of dollars that he claims to have but never provides any evidence for and his trail of bankrupt businesses and failed scams
>>693277285
yeah i do. most people don't understand how email servers work, especially anyone over 30 years old.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/charge-hillary-rodham-clinton-pursuant-18-usc-641-793-794-798-952-and-1924
>>693277741
petitions don't do shit. it's over. shift your focus onto something else now.
>>693277285
I agree, she's retarded when it comes to email, but as POOTUS, all that shit is taken care of for you. Not saying she'll be a good POOTUS, but, it seems there are mechanisms in place to prevent that sort of fuckup.
>>693277874
she's establishment and won't fuck things up
Trump will do serious damage
>>693278027
Right up until she lets the bankers crash the economy again due to her refusal to regulate them and then spends trillions more tax payer dollars on bailing them out.
>>693277462
Iran contra bro
>>693277330
How does owning a lot of businesses qualify someone to be president. Trump thinks he can just appoint people to his cabinet that will handle all his politicals work like he does with his businesses. All he wants to do is sell his last name like he always does
>>693278271
>bankers crash the economy again due to her refusal to regulate them
Keynes plz go
>>693278027
Fuck the establishment. Also I'd like to see both parties burn. Then in 2020 se a golden Pheonix rise from the ashes.
>>693273771
kys
>>693278425
yeah ross perot had the same idea. it didn't work out. in the general election, to capture indy votes you need specific DETAILS. of which trump has very little.
>>693278460
yeah people whose lives are shit don't care what happens. they want to see others lose their shit too. this is about half people who vote for trump. nothing will change their vote.
spoiler: even if he wins, trump can't fix your fucked up life.
>>693268103
Butthurt? yea, WTF are laws if they won't follow them right?
http://ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/
ITT
>>693278271
I wonder which party is pro business and anti regulatory. Definately democrat youre right anon
>>693278603
Laws are for peasants anon, not for the rich establishment.
Either one is going to totally fuck up the country and your all retarded for arguing about it.
>>693278603
our laws are very specific. the FBI, the DOJ even the individual judges mean more thab the unemployed living-in-their-mothers-basement keyboard tough guy.
>>693278603
>>693278505
He has more details regarding his campaign platform and proposals than most of the other candidates combined. Simply go to his website. Pay attention.
>>693271226
yes, it does. she hasn't been convicted of a crime, therefore she isn't a criminal.
>>693271800
You say that, but in the end no other president before would get a free pass like that.
>>693278790
there are NO DETAILS there. that's the point. it's easy to say he'll get better deals with china, but nowhere does it say exactly how or what this actually means.
dumb people like you buy into the vague wording.
>>693278428
What? Do you think there was no cause that lead to the 2008 crash? Clinton removed regulations from the banks in the 90s and they wound up crashing the economy. Since the 2008 crash no serious regulations have been put back in place to stop them from doing it again, this is actually a really serious issue, don't try to underplay it.
>>693278655
Are you suggesting that Clinton is going to regulate wall Street while taking millions of dollars from them?
>>693278850
Incorrect. She is a criminal. She's not a convict.
>>693278790
To what. Make america great again, make mexico pay for a wall, and alienate china?
>>693278780
oh so is bush currently running for president?
then guess what its not relevant
yes he should be investigated for that, but somehow that makes it ok for hillary?
you're logic is outstandingly retard, you just have to be a democrat
>>693278850
Lol
>Being this retarded.
>>693278596
You don't know me, you don't know what I had for breakfast
>>693275606
bush was reading a book to an elementary class and continued doing that when he was informed.
>>693278891
Go read his books and another by a different author titled Extortion.
>>693278907
trump won't do shit abuot it either though.
>>693278907
>Clinton removed regulations from the banks in the 90s
No, Freddy Mac was set up in the 30s fam
>>693279048
his books have nothing to do with politics genius. it's just brand building.
that's the point. you think it';s the same thing.
>>693279015
That image though
>>693278985
how is he wrong? oh because hes talking about a democrat, got it
be real anon if this was a republican you would be screaming so loud you would break your jar of menstrual blood and probably all your male tears mugs
>>693278907
yeah but how can you talk about this shit without bringing up johnson and what he did? you're peddling half truths
>>693278780
>someone i dislike did the same thing, so its ok if someone i like does it too!
>>693279127
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>693278867
reagen, though he had someone take the entire blame for the situation
>>693278907
Are you suggesting trump would?
>>693278963
What's about to be not relevant is the right wing.
>>693278922
we are innocent until proven guilty in america. if you dont like it then leave.
>>693279018
yes because clearly the best course of action would be to jump up and terrify some kids
also he had no way of knowing how bad it was and leaving right then would not have accomplished anything. so he continued reading to keep them calm and awaited further news
, but go ahead and continue with your retarded narrative anon
ohai guise and wat is happenin' in this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOKvTBL20QY
>>693276469
LIES, Stevens was NOT a smoker!
he was very healthy that is why he was chosen by Hillary for that position
>>693279232
fbi director: shes tots guilty but dont convict her lols
>>693279241
if not doing anything is reacting quickly, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
>>693279342
Lel
>>693278850
Let me adjust Anon's wording for you.
Just because she hasn't been convicted of a crime, does not mean that she has not committed one.
Oh and fuck political correctness. You're a cunt.
>>693279346
not doing anything
k like i said keep up with the narrative its really working for you
>>693279059
I never said he would. There are more than just 2 parties in the united states, you know that right?
>>693279068
I was referring to bill Clinton repealing glass steagal or whatever it's called. The regulation that separates investment banking and public banking.
>>693279204
reagan actually took full responsibility for the beirut fiasco, because the same shit happened a month before and killed 60 people. then they killed 300+
no one gave a shit then or now.
>>693272501
she wasn't found "not guilty"... They simply have chosen not to hold her accountable for breaking the law.
>>693268103
>spent 7 million on ivestigation
>hillary makes 100 million per speech
No one's going to give up any info on someone that makes them millions of dollars unless there is a HUGE pay out
>>693279461
presidents don't repeal shit.
>>693277421
>>693279471
i was talking about the iran contra incident, with oliver north
>>693279387
you must not be an american. here in the united states we are considered innocent until proven guilty in court, where people are given a chance to defend themselves against the charges. just because you are accused of committing a crime doesn't mean you are considered by society to have committed the crime. here in america you have to be convicted to be considered a criminal. these are american values.
Lets face it. Both would be absolute shite presidents and America is basically already fucked. If the whole world was laughing at Amecica now, it will only get worse with one of these clowns in the chair.
>>693275928
>>693278477
being this new
>>693279453
it works because it's true.
>>693279537
>100 million
Source?
>>693279617
holy shit :(
>>693275606
is he kill?
>>693279624
why would that be the same situation?
he directly got people killed in beirut in an embassy. 300 people and before that, a month before, in the exact same fucking place, 60 american citizens died.
then he came on the air and said it's comparable to when your kitchen isn't finished in time for your dinner party but you wished it was. some nonsense like that.
Went there once with my uncle which works in army. We went there to ""escort"" someone from his unit because he started to do some stuff like shitting in his own bed (by purpose) , he would chase down other soldiers with a loaded pistol , etc. After getting him in there , we came back after two days to see how is he doing. When he saw my uncle he said "Long live comrade Stalin". I just stood there confused but yeah , he never recovered and died shortly after by suicide. ( He ate shards from a vase he broke. )
>>693279537
*100-200 thousand per speach.
>>693279625
>Did you even read that post?
>>693272853
She has had several freebies. This is just another example of how there are two different criminal justice systems in the US; the one you and I are subject to, and the one she is.
>>693279461
>or whatever its called
Clearly an informed opinion
>>693279821
yes, you can be sued in civil court for defamation for calling someone a criminal who hasn't been convicted of a crime.
>>693273449
Pretty shitty since Obummer turned it over to ISIS.
>>693279821
I have to agree with the guy. You can't call someone a criminal until someone has been convicted of a crime. You can say that you believe she committed a crime, but she is not a criminal by any standards until she has been proven to be one.
>>693279387
So youre an anti constitutional republican?
>>693279461
>bill Clinton
The niggers responsible for the Glass-Steagal repeal
All Republicans. They wrote it. It was part of a deal with Congress to end government shutdowns. Another Rebub shit sandwich forced down our throats. When are you niggers gonna wake up?
>>693273771
KYS
>>693279980
they just kicked ISIS' ass over there. it's great news. and we didn't need our own troops to go there, unlike what bush did. obama has made the right decisions on this one.
i wouldn't care if they blew themselves all the fuck up, personally.
if you do care about them, thuogh, letting them fix themselves is a better long term goal than jumping in with marines every time some shit goes wrong.
>>693271800
"I didn't know I wasn't allowed to do that officer"
Millennials
>>693279387
everyone is innocent unless proven guilty. this is the motherfucking united states of america.
you don't like it? best get your ass to a country that cares less about their citizens.
maybe the middle east is better suited to your horseshit. you can carry guns around to you heart's content too over there.
>>693275428
Because bush IS to blame for 911
>>693279232
If you don't understand the meaning of 2nd grade words, you should study.
>>693280444
what 2nd grade word are you referring to?
>>693278907
>What?
Dude I'm not reading any of this, what he said is undeniable fuck your "What?".
>>693271800
>>693280433
much beautiful
>>693278907
it was republicans in congress that did this, genius. you're dumb
you want the regs back? help get democrats elected to congress
>>693277462
weapons
war in money
>>693280039
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?
There is a difference between criminal and convict.
>>693280750
cool 80s pic bruh
Loling at a lady that my girlfriend works with had to call into work today because she has just been too upset about Hillary not being charged.
I mean I think she should have been charged, but good god, you all act like you're honestly surprised she wasn't and that the world isn't gonna keep on turning. It's done. Get over it, faggots.
>>693268103
Hillary Clinton did absolutely nothing wrong.
>>693280800
not in america or any other country where we are innocent until proven guilty.
>>693280505
Two of them. Criminal and convict. Very different meanings.
>>693271800
Nice try baitman
>>693280909
yeah, you're right. thank you.
>mfw
hillary is an incompetent crook and will probably win only because she is a woman.
trump might be able to help, but sadly is completely retarded when he tries to speak.
>>693273771
replied
>>693280944
a criminal i someone that committed a crime. you have to be convicted of a crime in america to be considered to have committed a crime.
>>693268103
it's your country, why the fuck should i care?
>>693272853
That would be awesome. I respect snowden. He gave up a girlfriend and a job that paid him enough to have a hot girlfriend.
>>693281017
you're fucking dumb. please tell me you're a trump supporter.
>>693280929
"Considered" innocent. Not "proven" innocent.
There is a difference between criminal and convict.
"She wasn't intending to break the law that she broke." -FBI faggot
I thought ignorance wasn't an excuse.
18 U.S. Code § 783, Article F
>>693281061
Fucktard alert.
>>693281192
no there isn't. you can be sued for defamation for calling someone a criminal who wasn't convicted of a crime.
>>693268103
She was only cleared of criminal negligence she has been proven of gross negligence of national security, she has not been cleared of this, she is still a liability and cannot be trusted to be Pres.
>>693280909
>spits beer out nose
>>693268103
Yep, there sure is a lot of butthurt going around today.
The despicable GOP making preposterous claims against Hillary which have now proven to be BS have absolutely nothing now.
The economy? Really? It is the best that it has been since the 1980s. Trade? Hillary is for trade reform too.
So the only question left is, do you want a sitting Secretary of Sate to be your next president, or a reality TV show host?
Hillary 2016!
>>693280800
not the guy you are speaking to but,
well what is sound to begin with?
is it the actual sound wave itself? if so then yes, the tree will make a "sound" but what does it matter if nobody is around to hear it?
or is "sound" the actual experience of hearing? if so, assuming that nothing alive is around to sense it, no, a tree wouldnt make any sound at all.
i dont think you should have used this question to reinforce your point.
>>693273771
kek
>>693281432
Hillary broke the law, this is not debatable.
>>693280032
By your logic...
> If you're dealing drugs, you aren't a criminal until you are convicted.
> If you a crazed terrorist who shoots up a club and gets taken out by swat you aren't a criminal because you were never convicted.
kys
>>693273771
>
no
>>693277421
All hail Queen Shillary, proven to be untrustworthy before taking office.
>>693273771
dsfsdf
>>693281370
Thousands of rapists, murders, liars, and thieves go free everyday from courtrooms across the world because cases are dropped or judges/juries decide not to convict, despite having proof.
Just because these criminals are not convicted, means their crimes never happened?
Dipshit.
>>693281670
at least we know ahead of time what we're getting into, instead of being let down once again.
>>693281542
>you aren't a criminal until you are convicted.
Nolo's Plain-English Law Dictionary
Presumption Of Innocence
One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.
>>693281505
Proof?
And the FBI director's statement is far from being proof, because it hasn't met the burden in a court.
He can't make these atrocious claims without actually backing them up with an indictment, which he did not. Therefore, they are only his opinion, and mean jack shit.
>>693281542
If you're dealing drugs, you're a criminal because you're obviously breaking a drug law.
If Hillary Clinton can't be proven to be a criminal, then that means that she did not break the law, meaning she isn't a criminal.
Also
>kys
go back to leafy videos
>>693280292
>>693281736
As soon as you commit a crime, you are a criminal.
The government cannot punish you until proven guilty.
> fuck off criminal
>>693280889
thanks
>>693281542
You, I like you.
>>693281755
this.
There is zero proof of her actually committing a crime, or else they would have formally charged her.
2016 and people still buy into the FAKE pro-wrestling style elections and all the horseshit as if it's real.
>>693281732
not what I said. the crimes may have been convicted, but the people who "go free everyday" are not to be considered "rapists, murders, liars (generally not criminal anyways) or theives" themselves. you don't need to convict someone for a crime to have been committed. you do need to convict someone to say they committed that crime.
>>693273771
Sorry for your loss
>>693281812
No proof, no crime, no criminal.
>>693281887
*crimes may have been committed
>>693281816
is this from a tv cartoon show? recent? retro?
>>693281857
>libertarian
>wants the government to do anything
>>693281732
>what is burden
>what is beyond a reasonable doubt
learn how the legal system works faggot.
>>693281542
are you dumb or what? if your'e dealing drugs only you and the person you're selling to know you're a drug dealer. that's the point.
to everyone else, in this country, you're presumed to be innocent until enough evidence is assembled to prove you guilty
when you say "if you're dealing drugs" that already presumes guilt.
try this
>if someone accuses you of dealing drugs, you're a criminal
true or not?
>>693268103
Obviously Obama told the FBI director to do what he did. If you listened to the director state that what she did was illegal ect but they arn't going to prosecute her shows how the corruption runs deep.
>>693281775
The 1st amendment guarantees my right to call whoever I want a criminal.
>>693280985
Mfw femenists say trump will win because hes a rich white male
Mfw conservatives say hillary will win because shes a woman
Mfw im the only one judging them by their ideas
>>693281812
The problem comes in when we consider proof and information. If I pull off a perfect murder, I'm a criminal, except nobody knows that. If judicial experts cannot prove that I am guilty, then that means that everyone should accept that I am innocent, because they have no way of knowing that I am guilty. Unless guilt is then proven in an appeal, you would have to consider me innocent.
That's the situation with Hillary. If she isn't found guilty, then to me she's innocent.
>>693282103
but you could still be sued in civil court if it isn't true. ever hear of a comedian named Doug Stanhope? he's going through this shit right now.
>>693282051
>>if someone accuses you of dealing drugs, you're a criminal
>true or not?
Obviously true. The person accusing them believes they are a criminal or they would not have accused them to begin with.
>>693282103
So? It's my right to point out how you're wrong by any respectable standard of law.
>>693282197
Wait what the fuck is happening to Doug?
>>693282267
he accused amber heard of blackmailing johnny depp, she is suing him for defamation.
>>693282094
Holy shit you rubes are fucking retarded. Everything's a fucking conspiracy right?
Faggot.
>>693281887
There is a difference between criminal and convict.
"Murderer" does not mean the same thing as "convicted murderer".
Murderer means the act of murder was carried out.
Convicted murderer means that the murderer got caught, faced trial, received a damning verdict, and likely got some kind of penalizing sentence.
>>693282197
>civil court
>criminal
>>693281845
>There is zero proof of her actually committing a crime
hillshill wikileaks exists. she is so goddamn guilty a normal person would be looking at 3-10 years in federal prison.
>or else they would have formally charged her.
>careerist FBI told to not indict her with the attorney general of the United states in her back pocket
"In 1999, [loretta lynch] was nominated by President Bill Clinton to serve as the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York"
>>693282320
That's fucked up. Was it about the bit on Rogan's podcast?
>>693281755
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
Above is the FBI's official statement on the matter
Within it:
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."
"For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
18 U.S. Code § 783, article f:
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, etc., relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
—Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
There is proof that she has broken the law, stop lying to yourself
>>693282393
you can be sued in civil court for calling someone a criminal who isn't one.
>>693281845
They had proof the directer said so but they were not going to charge her. Looks like Obama told him not to because it would destroy the democratic party. It is yet another cover up. I hope that bitch gets shot.
>>693273017
>Obvious repubs are obvious
Don't talk like that anymore.
>>693277462
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
>>693282497
>another cover up
Funny how nearly all of the crooked and shady shit takes place on the republican side though.
>>693273449
>Well Bush invaded Iraq, how did that turn out?
ask hillary, she voted for the damn war.
>>693279461
this act is actually waht you're talking abuot fagg ot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act
Gramm, leach, billing
all republicans
>>693282497
I hope both Shillary and Chump get shot. Worst candidates ever.
>>693282391
"murderer" means someone who committed a murder.
"murdered" means the act of murder was carried out
you have to be convicted of murder to be considered a murderer here in america. otherwise the murderer is a john doe.
you obviously don't know english and obviously don't understand how the law works here in the united states.
>>693268103
Lets take the fight to facebook
Almost thread limit anyway
>>693280705
>>693268103
Rubes actually believe that this will somehow hurt her too.
The thing is, is that Donald Trump can't seem to get past the 40% mark in the national poll numbers, while Hillary has been steady around 53%.
People are used to hearing all of the false claims put forth by republicans so much, that they simply aren't paying attention to them anymore.
Sorry GOP, you're going to have to try a different tactic, like maybe actually having some valid points to run on.
>>693282391
>Murderer means the act of murder was carried out.
>>693282456
>Although we did not find clear evidence
Presidential elections in the US are basically a test to gauge just how fucking incapable of functioning as a first world country America is becoming. And this election is seriously mortifying. They're not campaigning and debating so much as they're cutting fucking promos like hulk hogan in his heyday. That whole country is about to vote in the world's most powerful retard and they've got their heads buried so far up their own asses they don't even realise it. Its the giant douche vs the turd sandwich Seriously, I think the world will look back at this election in 100 years time and say "that's the one where the movie idiocracy stopped being a movie and became a prediction for what we are now"
Murica
>>693282596
not really. in comparison to Hillery she make Trump look like Jesus Christ.
>>693282447
no he wrote an article defending johnny depp on his website, some news organization picked it up, wrote a defaming headline that pointed out he used the term "blackmail," now she's suing him and the news organization in addition to 20 people she hasn't named yet. just search "doug stanhope amber heard" for more accurate information. he spoke about it on howard stern a couple days ago.
>>693282678
As soon as you take someone elses life you are a murderer. Period.
Regardless of what any court says. You killed someone. You are a murderer. End of story.
>>693278850
LOL I rape a little girl and steal her bike and i'm not a criminal if I don't get caught... nice
>>693282787
>Misquoting
That was only referring to intent you fuckwad
>>693282884
A criminal is one who commits crimes.
>>693282842
They are also a criminal.
>>693282842
>as soon as you take someone else's life you are a murderer
no. murder is a crime. you can legally kill people and therefore not be considered a murderer.
if you shoot someone who has taken hostages and is getting ready to kill them, you are not a murderer.
>>693282787
>didn't even fucking read it
>tries to refute it
>>693282678
"murderer" means someone who committed a murder.
you have to be convicted of murder to be considered a CONVICTED murderer here in america. otherwise the murderer is an unconvicted murderer.
you obviously don't know jack shit
>>693282884
yes, criminal is a court thing.
>>693282884
you are implying guilt here. if someone accuses you of doing that you are not a criminal until you have been given a chance to defend yourself against the charge in court and failed.
noun
6. a person guilty or convicted of a crime.
guilty OR convicted....
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/criminal?s=t
>>693282785
>muh polls!
if you call yourself a democrat and are voting for hillary clinton, you're a massive fucking authoritarian hypocrite who should kill themselves
the strongest support I've ever seen someone have for her is "well do u want trump in the white house instead!"
>yes
the DNC falsifying the primary has killed the democratic party and thier useful idiots (you) don't realize you're clinging to the sinking ship, not the lifeboats.
real democrats will not vote for hillary
>>693283124
He didn't say he was accused moron, he said he did it, that makes him a criminal in the hypothetical
>>693283066
right, the murderer is a john doe, or a suspect. not an "unconvicted murderer." not here in the united states, I assume youre from some sharia law state where you can just accuse someone of something and everyone automatically believes they did it.
>>693283161
only the criminal knows if they committed an actual crime or not. only the criminal is legitimately able to call themselves a criminal. get it?
>>693271800
The law doesn't give a fuck about intent if you are a poor, defenseless nobody. At that point you are fucked. Hillary could strangle a baby on the White House steps and the Liberal Media would say "An unfortunate death today for a young child that, under irreverent fervor, embraced Ms Clinton too hard and suffocated".
>>693283235
right. he implied guilt. this isn't what we're talking about here.
>>693283268
>only the criminal knows
wrong. witnesses know, and victims know too.
>>693283268
until they are convicted.
>>693283268
until and unless they're convicted of course.
>>693283340
not necessarily. witnesses are often wrong. the victims are too. thye're only elements of the prosecution.
>>693282841
Strange, Stanhope could help kill his mom without legal trouble but an article is what gets him. Hope he wins the case.
>>693283161
>a person guilty or convicted of a crime
>guilty
guilty means proven in court.
>>693272665
Hahaha. Apparently she gets second chances. Can she retract all her snowden statements now?
>>693283340
here's an example:
there were witnesses who said michael brown had his hands up and said not to shoot. officer wilson was not convicted of unlawfully killing him and is therefore not a criminal.
>>693283066
>>693283124
In 1999, Loretta Lynch was nominated by President Bill Clinton to serve as the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York
>inb4 she's totally innocent guys, wikileaks is just republican lies!
>>693283447
>guilty means proven in court.
Nope, that's what convicted means.
That would make the original definition retarded.
Proven in court OR proven in court....
Keep shilling though....
>>693283428
they'll probably settle.
>>693283249
No, dumbass. There must be irrefutable proof to convict someone in the eyes of the Justice department. If the Justice department can't/doesn't convict them, then it is not an erasure of the criminal act being carried out...it just means that the criminal won't be convicted and face any Justice department penalties. And there are consequences for wrongful accusations.
>>693283557
There are 3 types of criminals
> caught and convicted criminals
> caught and pending conviction criminals
> not yet caught criminals
They are all still criminals.
Get it?
>>693282958
Can't have a crime without intent. Which is what this whole thing was about. It's clear you either didn't pay attention or are a complete retard.
>>693283556
loretta lynch wasn't the one who decided whether charges should be pursued from the investigation. the FBI recommended not charging hillary. james comey, fbi director, was part of the bush 43 administration and is a lifelong republican.
>>693280669
waifu claimed
>>693273771
CANCER
>>693283643
a criminal act can be carried out without having an identified criminal who committed the crime (that's what "john doe" means).
>>693283690
you can't judge whether someone is a criminal or not if they have not been caught and convicted. that's the point.
in other words you can only call the 1st one a criminal in the USA.
this will NOT change.
there are other places to live if you don't like that.
>>693283691
That is incorrect actually, laws regarding national security etc. do not require intent for punishment
>>693283690
right, yet you can't call someone who wasn't convicted of a crime a "criminal," which is the original purpose of this argument.
>>693283889
Actually I can, and IF they are proven innocent I might stop calling them a criminal.
>>693283700
>she's just the one who decides to charge people when they self admittedly break half a dozen laws...
>and covertly met with bill clinton a few weeks back to talk about the weather and children...
every post by you shills just costs your boss more votes.
>>693284002
if they are proven innocent you can be sued for defamation.
>>693284002
you can but you will get sued.
if anyone cared what you said, that is.
>>693284021
she said she'd abide by the FBI recommendations. why would she go back on that?
>>693284021
if james comey had recommended charges for hillary and loretta lynch refused then your argument would be valid, but that isnt what happened.
>>693284095
Doesn't change the fact that I can call them a criminal for committing crimes before they are convicted.
>>693283827
That's simply semantics. Doesn't matter if the identity of the criminal is known or not. The crime was still committed.
Convicting that person of the crime is usually a different story...they can't arrest, indict, try, convict, and sentence a criminal without knowing their identity.
>>693284191
right, but there may be repercussions.
>>693284237
> implying someone is a criminal before they have been convicted
>>693284237
i never said the crime wasn't commited in this hypothetical. you asserted I did.
>>693283882
Actually it is, it's why there are no charges.
Mens rea, look it up.
It's a bedrock principal of law.
![slowpoke[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Sc6mJKi.png "slowpoke[1].png")
>>693268103
We already had a million of these threads yesterday.
But what if you commit a crime, get convicted, serve out your sentence and are then released.
Are you still a criminal?
>>693284191
you can call the sky an orange and your dog a pig
you'd still be wrong.
>>693284364
and this one is coming to its conclusion.
>>693284308
Implying you don't know the difference between criminal and convict.
Thank you for proving what kind of voters Democrats rely on to get elected.
>>693284308
She's a criminal.
You're criminally retarded. That is to say, you're so stupid that you're a threat to society.
Step away from the computer before you hurt yourself, son.
>>693284401
yes.
>>693284457
>I am a republican
>I don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty"
what.
>>693284170
because she knew what the approved FBI recommendation would be
>>693284172
>he just said she's guilty of all counts due to best case scenario gross negligence... and that the fbi does not officialy recommend charges... this means she's innocent!
Now we get to see whether Lynch destroys her career over old political favors to the Clintons or goes with her impartial record and indicts Hillary for the crimes she's already admitted to under oath and/or perjured herself over.
>>693284566
he's as much of a republican as trump is.
>>693273771
this stupid meme again
>>693284443
I hope you repost that conclusion in tomorrow's thread. :^)
>>693284566
That would make you a RINO, not a Repubican.
>>693284350
"through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed"
Never fucking mentions intent does it? No, because intent doesn't fucking matter. If a drunk driver kills a kid he still gets convicted because it was negligent to get drunk and drive. In the same way, it was negligent, and illegal, to move classified materials to a private and unsecure server. Again, this isn't debatable.
>>693284687
I won't. the service was sub-par and the quality was atrocious. I won't be returning.
>>693273771
Wtf
>>693284716
a drunk driver doesn't get convited of full blown murder, genius
if DUI was legal, the kid's death would likely be called an accident.
>>693284861
No, he gets convicted of manslaughter, he does not get off scott free for his negligence.
>>693276859
>be american
>get sued
kek. nothing abnormal here
>>693284942
i've created and run 3 small businesses. never once got sued.
>>693284612
That entire picture is just babby's first geopolitics. Literally every country would do these things if they had the capabilities. Not saying it's okay, but it's the reality that you face with every single politician that gets elected.
>>693285061
>small
Well no shit you haven't been sued no one gives a shit about you, he runs international corporations
>>693284566
>the courts are the same thing as public perception
>implying she isn't guilty
no matter how much you shill you can't unpublish all those emails on wikileaks. she is guilty of using an illegal private server (to get around that pesky Freedom of information act) to store and distribute secret and top secret information. This is fact.
Now the content of those emails is a whole other ball of wax you authoritarian shills are ignoring. Hillary clintons state department purposefully destabilized the entire middle east and de facto created fucking isis.
Not for US national security reasons,which would only be shitty, but for the goddamn saudis, israelis, and citibank.
>>693285190
oh noes, aussies gonna be terry wrists now?
>>693285190
two different email situations genius. yuo have no idea what you're talking about
>>693285190
lol I'm looking forward to november.
>>693274566
Haha Bitch Kate Perry can't even spell fatass
>>693284932
Drinking and getting behind the wheel fits the definition of intent.
>Don't be a lawyer, you suck at it.
>>693276859
This is a bald faced lie, the real statistic is that he was MENTIONED in 169 different lawsuits
>>693285141
>it's ok when she does it
no, it isn't.
>it's the reality we face
when faggots like you kiss the boots of oligarchs and thier neocon warhawk lackeys.
If you have a spine, vote for Jill Stein. If you want to be part of the future cliffnote "historians posit that the US became an oligarchy after 2016, when trillionaires squashed the democratic process for good" vote for Clinton.
