What u guys think about abortion in general... ?
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What u guys think about abortion in general... ?
>>693115535
Nothing wrong with it, my ex girlfriend got a medical abortion
I don't know where General is, but I think it should be done the right way. With a coat hanger.
>>693115842
Also I can't even look after myself so how could I even look after a kid
>>693115535
the world is overpopulated enough. We don't need any more inbred hillbillies like op
>>693115535
I'm about as upset about abortion as I am about someone stepping on a bug.
>>693115535
Okay but what if the woman was raped is she obligated to have the baby?
what if the fetus put in danger the mother's life.
Friendly reminder that america got people who refuses to teach kids about protection, gets angry when they get knocked up, and then refuses to let them abort a child they didn't want and can't take care of.
>>693116669
I think this is one of the exception cases.
>>693116669
It's her fault for being raped.
>>693115535
This faggot is a perfect example of how abortion is badly needed.
>>693116669
You can't get rape babies, silly anon.
>>693115535
it's sad but needs to be available.
>>693116492
>anybody who disagrees with me is an inbred hillbilly
Please, tell me more about how you're always right.
>>693116669
yes and then what if then every retarded sluts will accuse someone who did nothing wrong of rape and send him to jail so she can abort?
the only good solution is you can only have sex if you're married
>>693115535
It is a choice which should be legally protected by federal law and which should be regulated by different factors like how the child was recieved (through casual sex, rape, whatever) but also based on how good or bad a child would/could be brought up. If the parents are piss poor or drug addicts, an abortion can't be worse than the childs fate.
>>693115535
Idk, when a very young teen couple does it i understand because they're not stable enough to give the kid a life it deserves. And adoption and foster homes are no way to live either
>>693115535
Only reasons for abortion
>mother in danger
>rape
>incest
That is about it.
>>693115535
That if it weren't legal, we'd have twice the amount of shit stain nigger babies running around. Abortion protects the tax payers.
>>693117053
And if you feel like it.
>>693116747
Not my problem that parents dont teach kids about sex and protection.
>>693115535
I think that that sign could contain literally anything and I could disagree with it, because that boy has the most punchable face I've ever seen.
>>693115535
People who think a fetus is a sentient creature that can feel pain, or even MATTERS, are stupid.
It is a blob of organic cells that isn't even alive yet. Regardless of what it 'represents', or the fact that it has human genes, it's little more than the dead skin flakes that fall off you every day.
>>693117136
Not really your problem when they get an abortion is it? It's not like they turn the resulting bloody slurry into hotdogs.
Many people are vehemently against abortion - until they (or one of their teenage daughters) become pregnant and want to terminate the pregnancy.
Some kids don't have much to do but hang out and fuck. Seventeen year old parents. Thirty five year old grandparents. The "teach abstinence" crowd owns that demographic.
Fuck. Give the kids condoms and teach them about BC. Remind them that a kid is a permanent reminder of a temporary feeling. Like a tattoo - on your fucking forehead.
We need to make reproductive / health services available and affordable.
>>693115535
Judging by this guy's face, I think the reason he's anti abortion is because he himself was aborted.
>>693117381
So potential means nothing to you. You are just a lump of cells as well
>>693115535
Is murder and should be illegal. Just use freaking condoms or pills.
>>693116267
If you're in this state, sex might be nothing for you at all.
>>693116631
Do you mean humans = bugs?
>>693116669
Protect yourself from rape: by not going out late and by mind and weapon. But rape makes it a little different topic.
>>693116769
It's boths fault.
>>693117007
>only have sex if you're married
Yes, until there, grow up and learn to be able to think for yourself and protect yourself.
>>693117317
Yes, fuck the pic, makes this whole thread quite irrelevant.
>>693117381
>Blob
>organic cells
Noice science m8, and organic doesn't mean alive?
>dead skin flakes
You are officially retarded.
>>693117458
Made me kek
>>693117418
Well seeing as how they are terminating potential humans, it seems kinda silly to say nothing about it.
>>693117381
Lies.
Fetuses have masturbatory urges. They respond to stimuli. They have brains, nerves, sensory organs, etc. 20 week old fetuses suck their thumbs. You know, like babies do?
You're a liar, or painfully ignorant, or both.
>>693115535
Can I abort my child support payments?
>>693117525
How old are you ?
I like throwing them at cars. The clinic cuts me a sweet deal because I'm their most regular customer.
I think they're fine, and people should be allowed to get them if they want.
I got one with my ex girlfriend.
It feels kinda shitty for the first few days, but you get over it. It's just our tendency to anthropomorphize everything that makes people object to it. I get that feeling, but it's not a justification for restricting it.
Feel free to ask stuff if you want.
>>693116669
I hate this arguement even though I'm for abortions. It is a bad and overused example. There are exceptions to nearly every law, do you know how simple it could be for a woman to file for rape and then to be able to get clearance for a medical abortion?
>>693117791
I dont think we should restrict it, but we should realize it is murder. Termination of life or the potential of it.
>>693117458
underrated post
Would love to have one night stand with that man. Not too bad looking.
Tell him my anus is ready for him.
>>693115535
The sign in OP's pic's hands is correct. True rape victims should be the only exception.
>>693115535
That's contradictory statement
>>693117912
It isn't murder, and it shouldn't classified as such.
A zygote is not a person, and the destruction of one is a hell of a lot different then murder.
>>693115535
FUCKING HUMANOID HERE BITCH!
IT DOESNT MATTER.. if you're killing a goddamn fetus. Fetues dont think. They dont see, they dont even talk for cry out load.
Think about it. Fetuses AINT HUMAN.. YEAT. So "killing" them is ok. They dont beg for mercy:
"OMG.. My mom is gong to kill meee... HEEEELP"
Seriosly... how stupid people can be? You really think fetus...is a human being with a cognitive self-conscious? shut the fuck off.
>>693115535
Easy to talk about abortion when you've already been born.
>>693118167
Justify it how you want, but it is still a HUMAN embryo, and you choosing to terminate IT'S life makes you a murderer.
>>693117458
I would vote you for president of murica in a heartbeat.
>>693118095
I would also extend it to if the mother's health was in danger.
>>693115535
Abortions should not only be legalized, but sometimes required.
>>693115535
Abortion has driven blacks down from 14% to 12% in the US. We need more abortions.
>>693117791
Have you ever eaten authentic French cassoulet from Toulouse?
>>693117525
You got aborted?
>>693118344
That too. It's just that plebs who use it as a form of birth control are retards. Either don't have sex in the first place, or use the proper protection.
>>693118227
Would you like a Jelly Baby?
>>693118282
a human fingernail is still human. It is not a person. A human being, with self consciousness, moral capacity, future expectations and a social network of others who would be impacted by their death, is a very different thing to a human fingernail, or a human embryo.
>>693118227
Lol either autist or bait or both. Ignore guys, I mean look at that fcking caps use.
>>693118227
Imagine your mom in a coma, doctor says she has an overwhelmingly good chance of recovery in about 9 months. Just pull the plug right because right now she can't beg for mercy.
>inb4 "i don't like my mom" substitute in human you care about
>>693118459
I've had one in Paris, and Lyon, but not Toulouse, unfortunately.
>>693118587
Heh, location isn't that important. Tried some quenelles in lyon?
>>693118556
A fetus =/= a fingernail you stupid faggot.
That's like saying that if you cut someone's head off, that's not murder, because it was only the head.
<a href= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y43ZpfUswk </a>
</fetus>
</life>
>>693118571
>Thinking that an actual grown human being is the same as a zygote
It's an effective method of population control. At our rate of growth we're gonna overpopulate the world and it's only gonna make it worse for everyone else, significantly reducing the quality of life throughout the world.
Look at mudslimes. They fuck like rabbits and pollute the world with sheer numbers. If they could abort their kids (as well as many other things islam restricts them) then they might not have been such a primitive, uncivilized clusterfuck of arabs.
>>693115535
why stop there
>>693118167
How so? Both murder and destroying of a zygote eliminates potential?
>>693118282
You are also a murderer when you eat chicken and melons, stupid donkey.
>>693115535
he is right, but letting the poor and stupid have more babies is bad for everyone. Also up to a certain point, there is really no reason to give a human being any rights, so whatever.
>>693117525
>Do you mean humans = bugs?
There's literally no difference between you and a bug in the grand scheme of things.
You're both two useless beings drifting about on a rock with some sort of "self imposed" meaning.
>>693118651
Yes, actually. The mother of the girl I was with made one one night.
>>693116747
without contraceptives and abortion america would be 5000% a better place
feminism would disappear overnight and women will actually have to think who they sleep with through instead of slutting around to get things handed to them
>>693115535
I look at it like drugs. People will do it regardless if it's legal or not, they might as well be safe about it in a clean room and everything.
I don't see anything wrong with it practically, but it's really hard to justify morally.
>>693117485
I'm alive though, much more than mere potential. 'Potential' is just that - potential, and as such if it doesn't have meaning to the parents, so be it.
I'm planning on nutting inside my fuck buddy this week and I'm gonna make her get in abortion also that guy has a super punch able face
>>693118571
but mom is a fully integrated person ins ociety, with hopes desires and a a past as well as a future - who has in the past been a fully functional human being, and whose life will continue after the coma. An embryo is not a human being in that way. Also, if mom was going to awaken without any memory of her previous lfe, and have to go through years of toilet training and learning to speak and all the things a child does, would that really be mom? would you have any moral connection to that new person? Not your mom, friend or lover anymore - so your analogy fails on both counts.
>>693115535
>What u guys think about abortion in general... ?
All nigger babies s/b aborted
>>693118571
Stupid logic. The fetus isn't anyone's mom. Stop trying to invoke ethos
Used to think that if people were fucking and getting pregnant they should be forced to live with there mistakes.
Now I just don't care
>>693118728
no... free birth control would be an effective method of population control. Large scale abortion is just socially acceptable genocide.
>>693118793
Mandatory govt funded fixing of these people should be done.
>>693118814
Isn't it delicious!
>>693118999
checked, trips of truth!
>>693117525
>Calls me retarded
>Can't even see my point
You're officially retarded also anon. It must be fun trying to dictate what others can and can't do with their own responsibilities.
>>693115535
I'm undecided about abortions. There's good and bad to it. The good thing about it is, it's killing kids. On the other hand, it gives women a choice.
>>693115535
I'm all for it. There are already way too many people on this planet as it is.
>>693118887
It is still the destroying of a life. So, i dont care if you get them, just recognize that you snuffed out a life
>>693118571
Bad state.
You have a feeling for a person in coma.
You dont have a feeling for a fetus witch has grown inside a woman for a couple of days.
>>693117525
>Is murder and should be illegal. Just use freaking condoms or pills.
Define murder.
>>693118779
1. All the zygote has is "potential." Which is basically like admitting it isn't valuable yet, but it might be one day.
2. Future potential isn't really what we base murder on. If you kill someone 1 minute before they were going to die anyways, it's still murder.
>>693118556
Wow same fucking logic as
"IM NOT TOUCHING YOU IM TOUCHING YOUR SHIRT WHICH IS TOUCHING YOU"
>>693117007
Yea, thats the system they tried to start 10 years ago. Suprise doesn't work
>>693115535
>taking all choices from another human being
a fetes isint even a human, just a cell becoming one, cant take what it dosent have
>>693119102
How about we start actually carrying out death sentences then. Generally people who are FOR abortion tend to be AGAINST the death penalty. Logic isn't their strong point.
>>693118801
The only difference may be, that we think more of ourselves and life, than a little bug does, but you can't argue wether life has a use and meaning or not. So basically any creature has the right to live and has the same worth, but a stronger creature may judge it differently.
>>693119038
Yeah, not bad!
Sex with a French girl is a bit better, though.
>>693115535
Abortion is good. You know why? The people that are getting abortions are the ones that are not ready to be parents, who otherwise would probably do a shitty job of raising children, resulting in even more stupid, lazy, ignorant, disprespecful shitheads to perpetuate the cycle.
>>693119136
Dude, justify it however, a life is being terminated. I dont think abortions should go away, but people need to quit putting up this wall between what they do and what they think. A life was ended, case closed.
>>693118695
you do realize abortion is cool up to 24-28 weeks right? Far fucking past zygote. At 14 weeks, separate heartbeat, voluntary movement and cognitive response starts. I'd be cool if we just backed up what is legal to before 14 weeks.
>>693119136
Then why is it that when a drunk driver kills a pregnant woman, they are charged with TWO COUNTS of manslaughter?
It's nothing on one hand, but on the other it isn't.
>>693115535
i think abortion should be legal as long as the baby isn't able to form a coherent sentence.
>>693119058
Hurr durr Your is officially retarded also also anon hue.
>U = invalid.
>>693118982
The Japanese consider abortion a completely acceptable form of contraception
>>693117579
>Respond to stimuli
All cells do you fucktard.
>fetuses have brains
Fetuses are declared alive after 8 weeks or so, right? Not only that but they stop getting called fetuses after 20 or so weeks, right? And here you are talking well outside that context. Besides, you're accusing me of being a liar about scientific facts? Rich.
Seems I'm not the only ignorant one here.
>>693116267
Then you are not responsible enough to be having sex.
>>693119359
So all the way up to about 16 years of age then.
Seems legit.
It's not a subject that really has opinions. Just facts. It's better for a population to have quick and easy access to abortion.
From each and every factor that applies to living people that have already been born this is always true.
Just people with imaginary friends are morally against it.
Religion is a pain, the number of negative impacts humans have to put up with because of a book another human wrote is insane.
>>693119211
Wtf you're talking about? Ofcourse I want death-sentence those massmurderers. u know Breivik? He doesent deserve to live.
>>693119408
God bless the Japanese.
>>693119121
Lel, killing a being, what's there to define? The two things, needed to be granted are two beings and one of them putting an end to the others.
>>693117525
>grow up...until you get married
That is the problem that abortion and bc solves
>>693119221
What difference does it make if they're "killed" when they're 1 week old, and if they die at the age of 80?
Nothing, that's what.
You die in the end it doesn't fucking matter. Stop acting like it does because you want to take some sort of "moral high ground".
Measuring life with some sort of "worth" is completely and utterly pointless.
also:
>/Reddit/
>>693117485
if i go into KFC and they give me a fried egg instead of a piece of chicken, and say "hey, its a potential whole chicken, not just a piece, so its a bonus man" I will kill the fuckers for being so stupid.
>>693119436
i was thinking more something like old enough to be in kindergarten.
And if a man wants his wife to abort, and she doesn't he shouldn't be considered as the father of the child, just as a sperm donor.
>>693119475
>tipping intensifies
>abortion is murder
that's like saying taking two lego pieces apart is as bad as kicking over a castle.
>>693116669
Yeah but knowing women, most rape allegations are total bullshit. So all a woman would have to do is cry rape and then she's granted an abortion. It's a fucked up system.
>>693119527
The main part is this: When does sperm + egg become a human being?
It just seems like a huge grey scale to me and marking the line at any point is very arbitrary.
The main question is why do you think contraception is okay but abortion is not? Do you feel the same way about day-after pills?
Get better care for abandoned kids and make abortions illegal or more expensive.
As long as the state can't take care of unwanted children properly then abortions should be legal.
>>693119102
feeling is entirely based on perception. You care about your friends and family more than strangers, does that means strangers logically deserve to die more than your friends and family? Flawed logic to base anything off feelings. Either all life has inherent value, or no life has inherent value.
>>693115535
Some piece of flesh with no programming or experience
not fully formed who cares
>>693119078
>Still the destroying of a life
Now you're mixing up the philosophical definition with the scientific definition. A fetus is not 'a life'. It is a clump of living cells, yes, but it has no sentient or fully-formed traits and is thus not a life.
The thing with you pro-lifers is you always rely on guilt and no actual logic.
>>693119527
murder is killing but killing is not always murder
>>693117571
But it's not silly at all to let children be born into inappropriate living conditions to parents who don't want them. Yeah, good logic there.
Abortions happen either way, to make them illegal is to repeat and even celebrate the failures of the past. Only Republicans celebrate failures as they repeat them.
On the other hand, I think any man or woman that doesn't use (or make their partner use) a rubber along with other forms of contraception should be aborted due to stupidity (or worse, deceptiveness). What sort of man would give up control of his entire life just so he could have unprotected sex? The answer is: A nigger. The number of white niggers in the USA is sky-rocketing.
What sort of woman wants to crank out babies so they can either trap their man or his wallet? The answer is easy: A stupid, manipulative nigress. The number of white nigresses in the USA is skyrocketing every day.
The growth in the white nigger population is concentrated primarily in the south at the moment, but it will spread like any other contagion.
The answer?
It's the NE-IA-MO-KS or Neiamoks wall! We wall off all four states off and put all the niggers, wiggers, spiggers, and chiggers on the inside and all the humans on the outside. If an inmate can prove they have met the education and intelligence quotas of a functional human they can come out for a six year probationary period.
Problem solved.
It would also rid us of the bulk of Republican voters, so we would need a new conservative party that isn't built for retards.
>>693118459
even better in Carcassone...
>>693117432
this, anon is so right
>>693115535
It is the purposeful murder of innocent children.
Doctors who perform them should be stripped of their license and sentenced to prison.
Women who get them should rot in prison.
Partners that help are accessories that should also rot in prison.
The abortion didnt take huh op?
>>693119211
And you've missed a point there mr.
Fetus aint human
>>693119136
Do you even logic bruh?
This planet is infested with humans and unfortunately too many fucking sub humans.
The right for human lives that can feed of on welfare so they can get fat and sick, and make zero effort themeselves is not any good solution in the long run.
>>693115535
Their body, their choice. A choice that isn't taken lightly, I'd wager, and probably after much thought, with a private consultation with a doctor.
It is NOT the state's business to stick their grubby little fingers into other people's lives. We're getting fucked over enough as it is with all this bullshit regulation and haul-ass taxes.
>>693119406
>Can't even prove me wrong
>Thinks posting a picture of Martin Shkreli and acting ironic makes him right
Well then, seeing as I'm dealing with the sort of people that think Argentina is a fucking fruit....
>>693117458
Truuuuu
>>693119516
which is why nips are absolutely based. no censorship in media because they don't get triggered like ameritards.
and also why arabs are backwards-ass sand-licking fucks. MUST COVER ALL WIMINZ DURKA DURKA.
>>693119717
>there is logic behind ending a life
Hurr zygote, yes ok clump of cells. But once it has a heartbeat and responds to stimulus? What than? Like ive said im not against abortion, i just want people to realize you are taking away life
>>693115535
If women want to abort their babby, they should be able to.
They should also get punished for it, because if a guy """abandons""" his """""""responsibilities""""""" he gets punished.
>>693119310
You're obviously going to think whatever you do. You're not even presenting arguments, you're just saying "I dont care what you say" and then stating your position.
That's fine. But I don't know why you're even here.
during ovulation, the chance to get pregnant is less than 30 %, there are only 6 ovulation. if you guys can FUCKING have some sort of common sense abortion wouldn't be necessary!!!
>>693119732
>think of the children
Yeah totes cool to let people bang without consequences
Nothing wrong with abortion. My high school lay aborted. Saved me twelve years child support she was a disgusting person but great lay
>>693119717
You are confused, do you think a fetus is just grey matter until moments before it comes out of the womb? It's a process of development on a fairly linear scale. So... at some point a fetus is 'a life' if it's a development process that turns into an infant which is definitely a life. At 14 weeks, the fetus has a separate heartbeat, voluntary muscle movement and nervous system developed enough to respond to basic sensory input. How is that not alive? BTW, abortion is legal up to 24-28 weeks, well after the fetus is clearly a separate life from the mother.
>>693119121
mur·der
ˈmərdər/Submit
noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
verb
1.
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
>cell is not a human
>>693117053
also underage, and unwanted.
>>693120033
To remind people, that abortion is terminating a life
>>693115535
It should be done in 100% of all pregnancies
>>693119324
Sure, but that's a different case. And I'm totally fine thinking that different cases should be treated differently.
There is no reason to say a zygote and an 8 mouth old fetus should be treated the same, and most people agree to that.
>>693115535
My gfs period is back so I'm against abortion again
>>693118662
you are using the adjective "human" to describe a thing "foetus" in the same way that "human fingernail" uses the adjective. Both fingernail and foetus are things, not people. they both contain cells of human origin. A drop of blood with your DNA could be made to produce a foetus - so is every drop of blood a potential human being, and worth as much as a real human being? your analogy fails, because potential is not actual. your analogy fails because being made of human tissue, or being of a human source, does not make something a human being.
Christ you don't even know what an adjective is do you? why am I wasting my pixels?
>>693119310
>A life was ended
WHO THE FUCK CARES?
Literally hundreds of thousands of lives are ended DAILY. Who gives a shit about ONE life being "ended" "prematurely"? The shit happens EVERY.
FUCKING.
SECOND.
Get over yourself.
>>693119251
this
>>693119930
You wanna piss off a Japanese? Show them this and talk about comfort women.
Little do people know that abortion actually lowers crime rates. Single mothers that would have given birth to likley future criminals now don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm against abortion. You guys should give freaknomics a read.
>>693120324
Can nips read korean?
>>693120213
>>693120325
Just because an immoral thing has good consequences overall doesn't make that thing moral.
>>693120134
I never denined that fetus is alive. That's true. But the thing is. IT cannot think or have a feelings. It doesent have a self conscious yeat. For that point that thing doesent care if it's removed or not
>>693115535
In the face of global over-population and increasing rates of birth defects?
Pretty fucking reasonable.
>>693119988
>Taking my quote out of context
Read carefully you idiot. I said that you people NEVER USE LOGIC IN YOUR ARGUMENTS. You rely on guilt tripping.
>Once it has a heartbeat
That's when it's classified alive and not a fetus you damn idiot.
>Responds to stimuli
For the next fucking time, ALL CELLS RESPOND TO STIMULI! That's part of what makes them fucking cells! You fucking idiot.
>Want you people to realise you are taking away life
Like I said before, a fetus is. not. a . life. A life is something that is actually sentient or fully-formed, a fetus is NOT fully formed, therefore NOT A LIFE.
Abortion is ok, better abortes fetus then a stupid bitch with no income of diploma to teach the kid something.
>>693115535
i dare you to say that to a rape victim
>>693120259
Yes, but this was preplanned and treated with the same thought process as clipping a toenail. Life was ended, and noone mourned. Discarded because of poor planning.
>>693120392
Some can. They tried so hard to erase the Korean language during the Occupations though.
But they'll know what you mean if you mention Dokdo.
>>693117053
lol.
You can't get some fetus be killed and some not. Either you approve or not, no cherry picking. In case of rape, incest and mother in danger it goes down to someone not wanting baby, same goes for simply not wanting baby.
Reasons do not change reality. Just because you dont want rape baby does not mean fetus is gonna be less dead then in comparison to simple abortion.
Dumb ass dicks.
I would think that abortion should be legal and I would advise forcing abortion if you are retard fuck with no money to provide your child with.
>>693119065
Copy paste kill yourself
>>693118779
potential is not the only morally valuable trait that a thing has. ad it is pretty low in value in any case as it is very hard to give a value to it. the foetus has the potential to die during childbirth, or grow up to be Donald Trump - potential does not count for anything.
>>693115535
There's no point in forcing someone irresponsible enough to get pregnant when they don't want a kid, or someone bad enough of a parent to kill their own unborn kid, to have a kid.
>>693116747
Well no shit, the church loves orphans. They're a captive audience in a faithless age of science. The church doesn't want people to plan things. They want shit to happen spontaneously so if it's good, they can credit god, and if it's bad, they can blame your lack of faith.
>>693120551
Yet abortion allows life to be terminated. It isnt just zygotes and feti my friend.
>>693120466
But does it make it worth it? All you're doing is sacrificing one ideal for another
>>693115535
Lol that dude in the picture makes me laugh. That's exactly what a white male from a moderate to extreme right wing fanily would say.
What about all the girls who are raped by family members or raped by other men? I'm are they really had a hand in making the choice to be raped there buddy.
Not to mention there is such a thing as birth control failing. Why give a kid an existential crisis and or a terrible fuckin life just because someone else who wouldn't have anytbing to do with it otherwise, feels like you should?
>>693120213
its not, why is it so hard for women to understand, its not an actual human until 25 weeks, of which that point it is to late to abort anyways, like many on here have said, those that get an abortion (or want one) are usually parents who arent ready to be a parent, then at this point all it does is perpetuates a cycle, then they are forced to have a kid by the gov then put it in a foster home and make it the govs problem
>>693119154
actually, no it isn't anything like that. But nice try for a first go at logic. keep trying, you might come up with a logical argument one day.
>>693119813
lol femanon detected
>>693120213
Nope. It can't subsist on its own. At best you're terminating the life of a parasite
>>693120134
>do you think a fetus is just grey matter until moments before it comes out of the womb?
Wow, take my argument way out of context why don't you. Obviously not you fucking moron.
>At 14 weeks, the fetus has a separate heartbeat, voluntary muscle movement and nervous system developed enough to respond to basic sensory input. How is that not alive?
I never said it wasn't alive if it has a heartbeat. A heartbeat is when it is legally and philosophically alive. Keep taking my argument out of context, please, I love it.
>BTW, abortion is legal up to 24-28 weeks, well after the fetus is clearly a separate life from the mother.
Yeah and? The only thing that changes is the premises behind the argument. In which case the premise is now that it's the parents' choice and responsibility. It might seem harsh but hey, that's life, no pun intended.
>>693119237
I will agree with that. And the bit about the Quenelles... have you had Truffade, from the Quercy? the only thing they could do to make it less addictive is sprinkle it with cocaine..
>>693120213
No it isn't, and the reasons have already been stated. Try again.
>>693119342
because you have shitty stupid laws.
>>693115535
I'm ok with it. It's hypocritical to be anti abortion but then not want to find welfare babies. One problem solves the other
>>693119988
Do you treat insects with the same respect as a fetus? What about dogs or cats?
Why is that 'life' (which by the way can only be called so with the broadest scientific definitions) in the fetus different than any other form of life?
>>693120566
Exactly as it should be treated.
Fingernails are just cells, you are just cells, Fetuses are just cells.
>Buh-buh-but I can THINK!
So can nearly every other living organism on this planet, yet we kill them without second thought? But NOOOO not an unborn baby! THATS WRONG!
If you can kill an ant without thinking twice, there's no reason to think twice about "killing" an unborn child.
Like I said, hundreds of thousands of actual living sentient creatures die every second. Why the fuck should anyone (other than the mother or father) care about aborting their child?
The answer: You shouldn't.
>>693119705
false dichotomy - that is like saying all food is tasty or no food is tasty - shit argument.
>>693120810
>sacrificing one ideal for another
No, it's sacrificing morality for the sake of the greater good.
And yes, I do think legal abortions are worth it in practice.
>>693119431
Oh so we should just outlaw sex? Or regulate it?
That's a great idea no grey area there
>>693120566
Oh shut the fuck up.
Pro-life should be renamed Force Birthers - They dont give a shit about life. Once the child is born they forget all about it. They dont care if a child was born into poverty by a low life family with too little intelligence to protect themself when having sex and if that child grows up being unwanted with all the psychological damage it might experience.
How about you faggots march for the US to redify the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child and thereby giving children some proper right? HOWS THAT FOR PRO-LIFE`? But you dont give a shit because muh personal moral.
I vomit every time I see a pro-life being for death penelty. Holy fuck
>>693120694
After 14 weeks it's a life. True. But the argument only changes to this:
1. It's the PARENT'S responsibility. NOT anyone else's. It is none of YOUR business.
2. WOW! A constantly unconscious tiny creature that has had no impact on the planet is now dead, like so many other organisms every day! Get fucking over it.
>>693115535
Abortion is a natural reaction if a species rampant with overpopulation and undereducated people. Break the cycle at its source. Anything otherwise is ideological garbage.
>>693120953
Moar like retarded anon.
>>693119705
You use the word logic, but I'm not quite sure you know what it means.
>>693121236
Because humans as the apex predator of earth have more intrinsic value than other animals
>>693118571
Now imagine that when she wakes up, you're gonna have to take care of her for 18 years. Also you're 15 and still in school. Also you never met her before.
>>693120578
Sick, I know a japanese guy at my work. I'm giong to tell him this.
>>693115535
You're taking the baby's choice away by NOT aborting it. You're making the assumption that it's even going to want to live.
Easiest way to prevent abortion is to cum in her butt. But seriously all choices for women should be outlawed.
>>693121376
Holy fuck anon THIS.
Nobody has the right to tell you what you can and can't do with your own body. It's unfathomable so many of you just accept it for the sake of "but it's the law".
>>693121507
We do have more value, but if you think it is because we are "the apex predator" then you're a fucking tard.
Conflicted
>On one hand it gives women a choice
>On the other it's killing children
>>693121536
FUCKING DO IT! kek. And tell him the Emperor's descended from Koreans. His head will go full-Fukushima.
>>693121507
>This is what Homo Saipan Saipan actually believe
>>693121507
Then you'll know that many predators eat their own young. And with us as predators, that makes for a very interesting similarity. Check and mate.
ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL
Why? well ok
1. no or few foster kids
2. many citizens would become wealthier individually because of not needing to take care of a kid but themselves
3. cost 250,000 usd to raise a kid
4.less competition in the world for new jobs and personal wealth
5. if the government paid for abortions, the cost yearly would not even come close to that of raising a foster kid
theres probably more i could say but dont remember right now
YAY!
>>693119211
I believe the death sentence in unnecessary, especially with the prison system we have. It's cheaper to lock him in solitary and a worse fate. I prefer that
>>693121750
Well we aren't eating the fetus's now are we?
>>693121236
>human life
But yes i do treat all life as precious, even plants. I thank them for their sacrifice to further my life, and i understand that everytime i eat i terminate a life. It doesnt mean i dont find it precious
>>693121954
The only flaw with that is they don't eat the young for nutrition. They do it to REMOVE them.
Something WILL eat it, period.
>>693115535
I think there's some sort of illusion that there is a specific point when the value of a fetus/baby jumps from zero to a maximum value, or some specific point where a fetus becomes human.
I'd say the average value of a human being grows with age. IMO, killing a kid is less of a big deal than killing an adult (most would disagree though), killing a baby is less of a big deal than killing a kid, and killing a newborn is not that different from having an abortion.
And the importance of what pain the fetus/baby feels is way overblown IMO. So what if it feels pain? Just a couple of extra nerve endings firing. There'll be no resulting trauma to affect its relationship with society, since it'll be dead.
There's no reason to not cause pain if what you're hurting can't fight back. Empathy might make you not want to do it, but it is never a reason in itself.
Cook your baby at 250 for an hour.
Serve with rice and white wine.
>>693121818
Ability to screen for defects allows early termination before they are born and become a constant drain on the medical system and liability to parents.
>>693121376
>this much generalization
Yes anon, every group of people is exactly how you think. Nobody has any other thoughts
>>693122040
kek, this guy apologizes when he eats broccoli
>>693115535
It's murder that's good for society. Mostly lower quality people get abortions. Now with abortion these lower quality people aren't having kids. Crime decreases when abortion is legal.
>>693121652
Absolutely. In all my years listening to reared a talk about how immoral abortion is, haven't heard one mention about the attempt to strip human beings of bodily autonomy
>>693122091
Well everything is eaten eventually, as long as its not cannibalsim
>>693115535
This guy is looking for attention. He probably doesn't even know what an abortion is.
Not all protection is 100% safe, even the combination of barrier and hormonal birth control, still has a chance to fail.
The person is doing everything in their power to prevent having a child aside from not having sex, and in this example telling a married couple not to bone is just not gonna happen.
This is only one example of a perfectly valid reason for an abortion.
>>693122234
>appoligize
Just because i take a moment to pause and think about my impact on other living things lives, doesnt mean i appoligize.
>>693115535
I agree with op pic
>>693121954
So? By your logic abortion is normal, natural and acceptable. Blame yourself for leaving that analogy open to be used, not me for seeing it.
>>693122399
Get a vasectomy.
>>693121724
Do you eat people, edgy atheist man?
>>693122119
>I'd say the average value of a human being grows with age. IMO, killing a kid is less of a big deal than killing an adult (most would disagree though), killing a baby is less of a big deal than killing a kid, and killing a newborn is not that different from having an abortion.
I think it's the idea of ownership. An adult human being essentially owns himself, while a child belongs to another human being, most often the person who conceived them.
>>693122159
wait, what side are you on, or even saying?
>>693122040
Visit mental institution then ;)
Also you can just accept abortion and be like "thank you fetus for teaching me lesson as I have learned that I am not mature enough to provide you with fulfilled life. I do not want you to grow up suffering, regretting your own existence and possibly committing suicide or even murder. so thank you once again."
>>693116267
You can start by having a little discipline you fucking man child
>>693122181
Name one other argument that people use to decry abortion.
>You can't because it's all guilt trips and whining about murder/wasted potential
My girlfriend of two years had an abortion. Shed told me she was late, took the stick test. Two weeks later I get a call from one of her friends saying "i thought you should know I took her to the abortion clinic today. Shes planning on lying to you and saying she had a miscarriage"
Her shit was packed and on the curb when she got home.
Yes abortion is a woman's choice, when that woman is single and alone. But when that childs father is in her life she doesn't get to make that call unilaterally
>>693122534
Not being ready to have children now does not mean person will never be ready
Pesky bee.
>>693122613
>thinking i would ever be in the situation to contemplate abortion
Kek, good one but im not an ignorant animal that cant control its basic instincts.
>inb4 fedora virgin
I know it is hard for you virgins to understand this, but i only have sex with women that i wouldnt mind having a child with.
>>693115535
It's been a part of humanity for as long as we've had humanity, like prostitution and alcohol.
>>693122740
>My girlfriend tried to save me the pain of making a hard choice because she knew that this is what she wanted to do and I would act like a manbaby.
>>693122534
Try getting a vasectomy in the US under the age of 30. It's damn near impossible to get a doctor, or insurance company to sign off on that.
Now that I'm in my 30's, it's done and my wife now has an IUD. Yet even with both of these methods it is still not 100% preventable. Sure the chance is astronomically low, but so is winning the lottery and that shit still happens to people.
>>693122740
I agree with this point. These bitches, for fuck's sake.
>>693119625
Someone should kill you for comparing a human being to a chicken fucking idiot
>>693122661
>mental health
Hmmm? Funny how when a woman terminates the life growing inside her, she gets depressed.
>>693122138
The ALL MEAT RELIGION IS THE ONE TRUE RELIGION.
>>693122772
A vasectomy is reversible however.
>>693122740
I would think that father should have right to have child, but only under conditions if man fully provides woman for period of pregnancy + 3 months and takes full responsibility for children(emotionally and financially) with no chance to tie responsibility to women.
>>693123011
There's no difference between a human and a chicken you fucking dense retard.
>>693123011
They're both animals mate, calm your farm. Ayy.
>>693117432
This right here
>>693122911
There's the shot now, she inject some bullshit into the mans testicles.
>>693123051
Sort of
>>693116769
kek
>>693123022
Yea because a mental retard with an IQ of 40 will get so much better once she gets her 5th child.
>>693122899
>hard choice
The day she told me she was late and we took a pregnancy test was the happiest day of my life.
I loved that woman and I wanted to raise that kid with her.
And then she ripped that away from me because in her words "didnt want to get fat"
>>693116669
She shouldn't of been wearing what she was wearing.
>>693123031
THE ALL MEAT RELIGION IS THE ALL MEAT RELIGION.
FOREVER, AMEN!
>>693122911
Guess I'll be going to Thailand to get it done...although I am 27, and have no interest in women or sex anymore, so I could wait another 3 years.
>>693123171
NO NEEDLE'S GOING IN ANY PART OF MY DICK. Accidentally scratched my dick in my sleep the other night, woke up, saw so much blood down there.
>>693115535
I think exactly the things said in OP's pic, except I don't have such a faglord face
btw only people who escaped abortion - like us - can talk about abortion.
>>693122181
No, he's totally right and you know it. The only argument against abortion that isn't religious is a quasi-moral statement that a life is being ended. But that form of life is scientifically indistinguishable from a literal tumor or parasite, as it doesn't have the means to exist independently from the host organism
>>693115535
Abortion after 2 weeks is murder whether you choose to accept the fact or not.
>>693123115
Bait or retarded
>>693123292
I'd kick that bitch out in an instant
>>693123022
And that's an equally shit argument because women get depressed at lots of other things, as do men. And in the long run, there's less depression anyway because it's not 9 FUCKING MONTHS WORTH of your body trying to feed, eject and destroy the child all at the same time.
And that really just falls under the guilt trip category anyway:
>Don't support abortions or you'll make women depressed, you don't want that do you?
>>693117458
>>693123292
>I loved that woman and I wanted to raise that kid with her.
Then there was a lack of communication somewhere, which is the fault of both parties.
>>693115535
I'm all for it. If you make a mistake, you fix it. It doesn't matter what the mistake is. To make mistakes is only human, so is to correct them. Else we wouldn't have developed tools to fucking do so.
>>693119652
This, and also complaining about other people's abortions is like they are taking 2lego pieces off their castle and you go insane and say them that they cannot do that. Why tf does it matter to you
>>693123343
>NO NEEDLE'S GOING IN ANY PART OF MY DICK.
Not your dick, your testicles. And they numb it before hand, or so I've heard.
>>693123290
>move the goal posts
Also, who is fucking retards?
>>693123387
Or the mental health argument
>>693123406
Okay you got me.
Chickens have feathers, humans don't, my bad.
>>693116669
>Okay but what if the woman was raped is she obligated to have the baby?
adoption is an option
>>693123483
hm...
I've always wanted them to like, completely remove the balls, you know? Like, just take the balls completely out of the ol' scrote. After that, they can bake them into a pie or whatever they like, just remove them from my body.
>>693123637
You don't want that unless you want to become a trap.
>>693123707
Why not?
>>693123485
Other retards
>>693120916
Is this guy serious?
>>693123773
You're right anon, you should castrate yourself. I hear it solves the balding issue.
>>693123773
Your balls are pretty important for hormonal reasons
>>693123092
>fully provides?
My current wife worked up to the day she went into labor. She rode her bike to work up to the 28th week of pregnancy and walked two and a half miles every day after that to get the bus.
Woman that act all "ooh im so fat and can't do anything are worthless, manipulative mind game playing cunts.
Every other pregnant female animal on the face of the earth can take care of themselves but we got this faggot here thinking that the pregnant bitch needs to be coddled so she doesnt get an abortion.
>>693123427
Sounds like almost any argument i can present can be spun in a way you think is a guilt trip...hmm wonder why
>Hint: any argument can be spun on either side into a guilt trip
>But anon, dont women have the right to choose?
>>693119251
whites are the only culture that looks to abortion in the states it seems. so blacks just keep repopulating, regardless of how stupid or poor they are, and this is your argument?
>>693123894
I don't like my hair, either.
>>693123919
y tho?
>>693119431
Well I never thought about it that way, you're right NO MORE SEX ever or at least till I'm a fully functional fucking adult.
Btw people are still going to shag and have accidental niglets so we're going to need a better solution than just "don't have sex"
Otherwise enjoy the raised taxes to pay for welfare
>>693122846
We are not talking about you in general. Just because you might be mature does not mean that others are. Meaning, while you wait to be ready to become father and are capable of educating your child, does not mean that Bob and Sandra will be as responsible. They are going to be forced in having child, which will result in bad parenting and unhappy child. So allowing abortion reduces chance of unhappy child who regrets his own existence.
No matter from what perspective you look, abortion is not bad for fetus:
Christian - child goes to heaven without having chance to risk going to hell
Budist - reborn as something else
Ateist - one less data storage walking around
>if only Jesus was aborted...
>>693117432
this. Abstinence only education is the express route to useless bastards running around fucking shit up.
>>693119431
and this is always one of the reasons i leave these threads.
>>693121373
No you should take responsibility for your actions
Sex= equals possible babeh if u no want babeh take precautions but that doesn't change the Fact that you are performing an act that can start another life so many lazy fucks just wanna sound intellectual when in reality they don't to be responsible with their own fucking bodies
>>693123989
>Sounds like anything I present can be spun into a guilt trip
You know why anon? Because EVERY case against abortion IS a guilt trip. Because that's all you people have.
>Implying I think women don't have the right to choose
Remind me where I said that? (You can't)
I'm all for women making the choice, but if it's a choice that involves the consensual partner she conceived with, it's a split choice.
Good luck, you know, trying to find another argument to throw at me that actually has merit and doesn't involve accusing me of shit.
>>693124431
Cuz u no it's true
>>693124204
Yes, but how do people learn without having to take the byproduct of their actions? How can we have a society of adults, when you can shirk responsibilty for the most important part of life? Like ive said, abortion is ok in certain areas, and i support a women's right to choose, i just want people to understand that they are ending a life. I dont care what you do, i womt vote for legislation to regulate abortion, but i will tell people that hey, you just terminated an amazing biological process because you wanted to shirk your responsibility.
>>693124507
More pro choice guilt trips
>she is going to get an abortion anyway, shouldnt it be safe and clean, anon?
>it is just cells anon, youre telling me you care more about cells than people on death row or children in Africa?
>>693123022
What about when she actually has the baby and get pp depression?
Your logic doesn't really hold up
> /b/
> Abortions
> Buncha moralfaggotry
Just fucking kill yourselves already. What are you even waiting for? There's no point in waiting, nothings going to change, just fucking end it already.
>>693115535
it isnt a human baby until its been squeezed out of its mothers gammon flaps so until then if you want to kill it for your own benefit FUCKING DO IT
>>693115535
what does some dudebrofag's opinion matter?
If a woman wants an abortion it's on her, the regret and shame is all par for the course. To make it into a religious or legal matter is retarded. Unfortunately vaginas aren't publicly owned, there for the public has no say on it as a private matter. If abortion is murder, then cumming into a paper towel is genocide.
>>693124574
Thank you
Basically itt: oh let me do something that I know can start a baby oh I don't the baby but I still want sex let find a loop hole ... how dare you tell me what I'm doing is wrong getting temporary bodily gratification without any chance of responsibilty as at all you fuckers make me sick
>>693125010
So it's okay to kill it on the schduled delivery day as long as it dies in the womb?
And it's wrong kill it right after it's been born?
>>693116859
Not even that anon but if you dont think the earth is way overpopulated then yea, you are an inbred hillbilly
>>693115535
I am in favor of abortion as long as men get an equal right to refuse paternity of an unborn child
>>693125148
however many months in where it turns into a real baby ..well anytime before that should be good , if you pass that stage give it to an orphanage. you people should stop trying to push your beliefs onto others and concern on your own life/choices jheeze
abortion is great.
nobody wants a shitty kid around.
souce: gf has had an abortion and our lives are not ruined.
If I got JESUS pregnant, would it be the son of the son of GOD?
>>693125092
Haha that is not true and you know it oh wait this is 4chin land of assuming we'll little funny fact about males we piss old sperm out to make room for more so no it is not genocide you selfish bitch stop trying to find excuses and take responsibility for your actions
>>693124766
>Just going to get an abortion anyway
Yes it should be safe and clean, your point being? What does cleanliness have to do with whether or not abortion should be legal? Nothing, that's what.
>Just cells
Indeed and unlike the children in Africa that are actually alive and feel pain, the cells completely lack self-awareness.
Anything else?
Planet is already overcrowded. Too many shit parents with kids they can't afford and don't know how to raise properly. I think abortion should be MANDATORY unless you can prove you're qualified to keep it.
>>693125496
Inflatable my ass. Only lasted 3 times
>>693125583
>not seeing how these are guilt trips
>>693125655
>planet is overcrowded
Good goy, yes yes planet is overcrowded despite only 20% of habitable land being occupied by humans. Yes, yes now pay the shekles to see the newest documentary that tells you why you are awful and should feel guilty.
>>693125371
This
>>693125120
Abortion is a constitutionally guaranteed right. Roe v wade confirms.
ITT: butthurt christians
>>693125916
>only christians dont like abortion
Kek, keep thinking that
>>693125693
I'm genuinely confused. Are you implying that these are Pro-choice arguments, and are also guilt trips? On the contrary, these aren't even arguments, they're statements of fact.
A clump of cells isn't a sentient life, unlike a child in Africa.
Cleanliness should be encouraged universally and literally has nothing to do with the current issue.
>>693125496
This is your brain on religion
>>693125655
Amen.
Can't even adopt a dog without a background check or a house visit in usa. But I can have a kid? Lmao
Mine will probably fall in the guerilla tank..
It's a complicated issue, I respect both the capacity of the grown woman to decide not to bring a child into the world and the potential that aborted fetus has to become a living person
In the end I would still prefer giving the choice to the woman in question if anything because you have to choose something and that seems the lesser of two evils, doesn't mean I'm comfortable with it though
>>693119608
>it doesn't matter
then stop having an opinion about abortion
it may not matter to you but it does matter to others
>>693126000
Christians and other assorted faggots. You really going to split hairs like that?
