If you're an American hanging out on /b/, you're most likely at laest lower middle-class. If you're not an illegal immigrant or a welfare leech, there's absolutely no reason for you to oppose a Trump presidency other than to try to sound cool and edgy.
>be me, college degree + graduate degree
>household income of around 140k
>really interested in politics and conservative thought
>read the likes of Edmund Burke, Russell Kirk, Buckley, Dalrymple, et al.
>would like to vote for a smart conservative candidate
>GOP primary voters nominated a glow-in-the-dark retard who gave 100k to the Clinton Foundation
Nothing cool or edgy about not voting for Trump. You'd have to be an imbecile to support him.
He's a babbling cunt who makes no sense.
His positions are ad hoc and incoherent.
He's unprincipled and, if you're not into Kardashian Kulture, uninteresting.
What's there to like? "Muh wall"?
Except that if you're not uberrich, you will be fucked so hard by Trump, you't take back Obama, even Bush. If you think the recovery isn't treating you right, you won' really like a depression under Trump so much.
Sorry. Wrong on almost every demographic. Internal Med resident. In the CLE. Brown AF. Second gen curry nig. Trump is a f'n nutbag. I'm throwing my support and money behind Johnson.
Educated in what?
There's a far cry from a "Gender Studies Degree" and a "Doctorate of Internal Medicine" but neither actually educate you in the political realm.
Much like in the way a brain surgeon doesn't know how to program a rocket's guidance system and vice versa. "Educated" doesn't always mean you're educated in the topic at hand.
I'm from scotland. Trump bulldozed conservation land, built walls around peoples house because they were "ugly", called local farmers filthy, changed property lines for a fucking gulf course. After all that everyone boycotted it. Now the gulf course already flopped. The fact that Americans seriously consider this man is a scary thought to us.
See: menie estate gulf course
Babbling cunt? Why because you disagree with what he says? He makes perfect sense to someone who speaks English.
What positions are incoherent?
He's actually very interesting, and that has nothing to do with Kardashians or their followers intelligence levels.
His policies are there to like, and his charisma along with plenty of laughs to be had.
Use better explanations buddy
Good, we need a president that focuses on this country, not others. And fuck you mean he thought brexit was good? It is good you fucking leftist cuck. Independence is always good.
The rape allegations that were already disregarded because the witness stories fell apart along with the main accuser coming forth and saying she lied ?
Have you even looked at his tax plans? Under Trump, the median family income will be taxed less than under any other candidate, Killary, and less than under Obummer. Plus that retarded fucking Obama Care socialist bullshit will get removed and I won't have to pay a $2000 fine when I file taxes, since I'm 24 in the prime of my health and don't need insurance.
Sure he's for the rich. I'm not against them as long as he's for the middle too, which he is.
But I don't oppose it, OP. I, for one, welcome the coming apocalypse at the hand of our new bigoted, racist, fascist overlord. Then maybe thirty years from now our descendants can look back and say, "What a bunch of fucking idiots, fuck them, I hope they all burn for the world they us with."
...It's self-evident in his speeches. Pushing for waterboarding, torture, building walls that will never work to keep immigrants out, warmongering, not to mention having gone bankrupt so many times, it's a wonder why anyone trusts him with money, let alone the entire god damned economy. He'll be bringing us back to the middle ages just like ISIS wants, so we can go down with them. The American principles set forth by the founding fathers have been eroded for a very long time now. The only good thing that has come out of this country is the abolishment of slavery, and when it took a bloody war between the retards who indulged in slavery in the first place, that's not such a bright victory.
Clearly bigoted. Racism is a hard one, he often calls black people "the blacks", he's lost a few federal lawsuits for discrimination though. Not letting minorities rent apartments in the Trump tower, Also he had to pay a few mil for hiding black people from the public in one of his casinos. Eg. Black people weren't allowed to wait tables etc.
Also, classic fascism by blaming a countries problems on a minority or religion
>absolutely no reason for you to oppose a Trump presidency
8. Shitty businessman, bankrupts almost everything he touches.
There's 8 reasons for starters....
Imagine for a moment that WW2 never happened. Hitler never existed. The Jews were never oppressed. Everyone was detached from history's lessons as they were during Hitler's rise.
Trump is exactly the kind of faggot who would become Hitler.
I fucking love all these Londonerfags on here still freaking out about brexit. Whiny bitches, all of them. Brexit is the best thing to happen to the UK since America won its Independence.
Oh, and btw, Happy 4th of July weekend, UKfags!
Trump is the only man alive who could get Hillary elected.
Hillary for president!
History will once again be made by the democrat part with the first woman president.
I like trumps charisma and shit, it's entertaining to say the least. But his ideas about trade and economics are nonsensical. Literally the first thing in macro or international economics you learn is that tariffs and quotas are inefficient, and not capitalistic. It's a SOCIALIST idea to manipulate economic policy to pander to a group of people. Also he's liberal on healthcare, and doesn't really have a great plan for tax reform (although he wants to lower taxes for everyone which is good). But the most interesting thing about trump is that he's revealing himself as someone who's willing to go back on things he's said to gain more support. Really don't know what the USA would get with a trump president, but at least it's better then Hillary. So all in all I think I would vote for pretty much anyone outside of Hillary Clinton. Trump 2016.
ps has South Park ever been more right about an election (episode where they explain every election is choice between a turd sandwich and a douche)
Hillary will build on Obama's success:
Only Fox News watchers think Obama failed. People who can, and do, read know better.
idiot thought it would cut immigration but since non-EU immigration over the last ten years has far outpaced EU immigration, that shit won't change. you're stupid if you think it will end immigration. the UK needs immigration. there will be less french but they'll be replaced with more muslims.
They fucked up and listened to trump's Islamophobic bullshit, and voted based on his fear-mongering. Fuck, he's not even president yet, and he fucked Britain's shit up for them.
If you actually look at how trump does business with small business folks you'll get an idea of the ass raping you all are signing up for. It's going to be another Boris Johnson. Whoops I didn't think we'd win, I'm out of ideas. Enjoy the wreckage
Why are people still arguing this? Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows we, as individuals, have been robbed, given a sham to cherish as the real deal. We are powerless, forced to pick between two political sock puppets who will both ruin the country in spectacular ways. It doesn't matter who you choose. In the matter of USA's continued survival and superiority, there is only the illusion of choice. Who do you want to bring us to our demise? I won't be voting for either, because to vote Trump or Hillary is to vote for our destruction.
On that ballot, I'm writing Elon Musk.
I grew up in the upper middle to lower upper class. I'm currently in graduate school, dealing with computer science and language.
Trump terrifies me because his prominence arose from fear, his influence leads to violence, and his policy is laughable. I guess you might want to add being a student to that least of reasons to oppose Trump.
That said, I am being dramatic. I could tolerate him, I just don't want to have to.
It really boils down to this.
Which one do you think is most qualified to be president.
A current Secretary of State, or a reality TV show host?
If you pick the 2nd, clearly you're a fucking moron.
>cut unemployment in half
By no longer counting the long-term unemployed still desperately seeking employment.
>nearly tripled the stock market
That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
>slashed the deficit by three quarters
In which universe?
>helped 20 million Americans afford health insurance
And penalized the millions who still can't afford it with a steep fine, as well as causing people to lose policies best suited to them.
>oversaw the expansion of marriage equality to the entire nation
Great. Fags can be miserable too. How does that help anyone make a living?
>saved the American car industry
It was totally worth saving too, wasn't it? I wonder which failed businesses we can bail out next to appease a few union scumbags.
>ended Iran's nuclear program
Delayed would be a more accurate term, and you're literally retarded if you believe they're actually going to abide by the agreement.
>got bin laden
When it was politically convenient to do so, and years after he had any relevance whatsoever among world terror organizations.
yes, some people are actually. ones that have been in the cabinet of a president, ones that have actual experiene in international politics, or politics at all really.
people are worried about even giving trump the classified information that all candidates usually get by now. they haven't given it to him. they can't trust him
why should you?
Reagan never acted at all in Beirut. NADA, just tried to hush it all from the public while hundreds died.
People acted in Benghazi, and as a result only 4 died, so what's the problem exactly?
Hillary is meeting with the FBI.
But wait... I thought this was all just made-up GOP propaganda?
This is why we need to use sources when making claims, otherwise faggots like you tear down facts just because your party or platform couldn't accomplish nth of what Obama did there despite all of the hatred he receives.
Hillary Clinton: "Nobody under FBI investigation should be able to buy a gun"
Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to president either.
And here we see the grand folly of the information age. There is so much information, it is effortlessly warped into misinformation, and it confuses nearly everyone who tries to see the truth.
"The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history." - George Orwell
Any Chicago niggers here?
I hear you getting ready for some serious nigging this weekend...
link related: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-holiday-weekend-police-plan-met-0702-20160701-story.html
niggers gonna nig.
>of objective truth is fading out of the world.
orwell was way off. we're only now discovering that objective truth has been missing from the world forever. being aware of it is the first step towards fixing the problem.
Perhaps. People are too concerned with surface issues and become trapped in trivialities to see what really matters. The human mind is simply not designed to handle this age and resulting predicament.
Trump is a shit businessman, and would be a shit president.
Engineered statistics, information presented in particular ways to serve certain perspectives, of which not everyone can even agree on. When there are dissenters on what are supposed to be measurements of fact, we are in trouble.
Great, so taxes go down, but services and military spending stay the same or go up, and the deficit balloons even higher. Then your faggot ass gets injured and since you're too stupid to have insurance, tax payers get to foot your hospital bill. Kill yourself, loser.
Imagine there are 1,000 people. they are colored blue and green. there are 990 blue people and 10 green people. let's say `1/4 of the green people are criminals and fully half the blue ones.
who do you worry about more in the room?
Haha, faggot has no comeback to my proof of how shitty a businessman Trump is, so he attacks me instead. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not trying to defend trump specifically here but America DOES have an illegal immigration problem that amnesty will not fix and the entire world DOES have a radical Islam problem. To deny that is to have your head in the sand.
yes, he is prejudiced against them. and native americans reddish/brown too.
but so are many americans prejudiced. maybe most. all we can do is recognize it and try and get past it personally.
Democracy breeds that sort of thinking. After all, if we all get an equal say, why not just speak for ourselves and let the total decide? Fuck the plight of minorities, amirite?
That's gross oversimplification of the issue. That you don't so much as consider other contributing factors than just 'dark skin' demonstrates your lack of critical thinking.
The most violent and infamous serial killers in America have had white skin, but of course only they are treated as outlying individuals, right? I live beside two middle class black families. They are some of the kindest people I have ever met.
30 seconds later....
How do you know what a stranger's own interests are? Secondly, skin color means absolutely nothing people can do what ever they want to do and have any idea they want. Their freedom of choice should not be limited by their skin color.
i dont other people do you fucking tard. and its wrong that people think if you have certain arbitrary characteristic that you belong the a certain group and you can't make any of your own choices. if you don't agree you are a traitor scum. this way of thought is fucked up.
>If you give a trump a cookie he will ask for some milk
>if you give a trump some milk he will want to build a wall.
>if you let him build a wall he will want more walls
>if you let him build more walls all of the US will be walled in
>and if the us is walled in the rest of the world is safe.
"If you give a trump a cookie"
it was ambiguous wording. you need to be more clear when you're trying to make an argument.
but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not back pedaling.
fuck... i don't remember what the argument was any more.
.5 green people are criminals...
Is it a torso and above or groin and below that is the criminal portion on the half-person?
>>Perhaps it's a little person. (Have to be PC about it, because we can't hurt their little feelings, or anyone else's for that matter)
ITT: Retarded Hillary cucked niggers and illegal spics leeching off of my tax dollar and people too scared to challenge the status quo.
If it were up to me, I'd roundup all niggers and illegal spics, ship them on Madagascar (hoping half them die during the trip there) and then disintegrate the island with approximately 20 Hydrogen bombs.
>Everyone was detached from history's lessons as they were during Hitler's rise.
No one knows a fucking thing about history. Everyone should HAVE to read about the development of modern democracy. Because MAN, that wasn't a smooth ride.
In some way I just feel powerless at this point, let the americans do what they want. History is going to judge them harshly. As long as they don't have the goddamn audacity to say: "We didn't know!" Same thing with the right wing extremists in europe. Like, this has happened before, like almost the exact same events have taken place. I washed my hands of this whole situation a while back.
This guy understands it. A raise in taxes and a cut in spending would actually be a decent thing for us all. It would allow there to be more money in circulation, which we could in turn take and use for our own. Also, if you say lowering taxes would increase the amount of money in circulation you would be wrong. Since we began lowering taxes in the 70's we have been in a downward spiralling economy.
But ofcourse this is just how i see the issue
“The central belief of every moron is that he is the victim of a mysterious conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts…[he] ascribes all his failures to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy.”
biggest thing that should go WAY up is the death tax. that shit needs to be doubled and all loopholes, especially the ones the walton family uses, need to be sealed up tight.
It's not a mystery anymore, retard. We're being robbed of our power in broad daylight. Even you can't deny donor influence to sockpuppet politicians in modern politics. Don't be a fuckwit dude.
well i can see a raise in income tax as a good thing. it can help with funding things such as the military, public health care, and most importantly for me, Public education. if a raise means a better school for my children, and possibly less debt from college i would be for it.
however i can see why you wouldn't want it, since some greedy politicians could get even more.
Yes. We're shifting into an intellectually based society. The election of this year is the most irrelevant election in history. All of the points both candidates are tackling are irrelevant. Meanwhile, Russia is spending over a trillion for space age technology by 2035, because it knows where the real future is. This is not the end, it's not even the beginning. It's the beginning of the beginning. The economy, the way we see 'jobs' will be revolutionized. We can swim with the tide, or be swept away by it. I'm already learning valuable service-based skills that will let me gain an income regardless of what the establishment does to its economy or job market. All of these meaningless issues can and will be bypassed very soon.
as long as they still get to be the biggest bestest creators out there then yes.
it's inevitable what they allow anyway. it's coming and they are racing against their own death sooner or later.
not the same guy, but I make 200,000 a year and I'm still not a trump supporter. I may be taxed higher on another plan, but it can be used for good like public health and schooling.
That statement is inherently flawed. They can't generate more wealth if wealth doesn't circulate or appreciate in tune with inflation as we create more dollars out of thin air. It's economy 101.
you only need a wide enough gulf. this isn't going to happen over night. it's going to be a gradual process. the world has already changed so much. it's almost unrecognizable if you stop and think about it.
it's always changing. at one point eating at home used to be a sign of wealth. people were so skinny from underfeeding that being fat was considered being successful.
privacy used to be the ultimate goal. now it's competing with celebrity.
being rich is a constantly evolving change that one has to keep up with if one wants to continue to be elite.
i would even support a one generation grace period. your kids might be useless but they better figure something out or the next generation will be left with nothing.
anyone who is against the estate tax is a moron. i will state that flatly. there is no argument there.
People don't realize how much the world has changed since just 20 years ago, and change in the modern age is increasingly exponential. In 20 more years, this world will be far more unrecognizable from today.
1-not an argument
2-Muslims and mexicans arent a race, therefore there is no racism there
3-he wants the illegals out
4-gotta expand that a bit
5-nobody is forced to believe that homosexuality is the way and imposing it is just as bad as the ones who discriminate them for their sexuality
6-Islamophobia is what the left wing made up without even bothering doing their research, or they would know that muslims ARE homophobic and it doesnt even require you to be an extremist
7-gotta expand more here too
8-see the other post that shows a 91% of businesses success
the internet and constant, instant communication will be seen as the turning point in civilization, the human race turning a corner. not since the invention of agriculture and not too long afterwards writing has something had such a big impact.
yes, for sure. there will still be crime of course but we won't be able to excuse it so easily on the basis of need.
which means crime will be punished more severely and rightfully so.
Who is imposing homosexuality, though? The entire context of these issues ought to be changed if we ever want to solve them and shut up. We 'tolerate' homosexuals. We can't just accept them, no, we have to 'tolerate'. Words can carry power more than anyone knows. Like don't be nice, be kind.
From a realistic perspective, Islam needs to change certain tenets if it wants to be accepted to the same equivalency as the other religions, just as the other religions have had to change their ways. The thing is, radicalism has overtaken Islam in the middle east. It was -allowed- to win. Imagine if the south ended up winning and kept slavery as a thing - these are echoes of what can happen when. Experience shapes everything. Just one misplaced revolution in the past could have seen Christianity as Islam and Islam as peaceful today. Honestly, it's a matter of helping them change. We can't win by killing like Trump and, hell, everyone who can't think beyond their own emotions.
>The thing is, radicalism has overtaken Islam in the middle east
yeah except not really. it's only in small areas and the freak nuts make all the headlines.
most of them are law abiding, normal people. just like you.
he's not qualified, and i don't want a fag who says the first thing that comes to his mind then its opposite the next day.
he may be a good guy, but he definitely not potus material
And the leaders of the said death cult pretty much praising it, moderates doing nothing to stop it because a lot of them actually quietly agree with it, but don't let that stop you or anything.
No one understands that, though, we only see ourselves from our own perspective. People who haven't been anywhere near the middle east nor interacted with any Muslim pretend they know the 'evils in the world' when they don't know Turkey from Afghanistan. Dubai is a prime example of how tolerant Islam can actually be.
>Trump claims to be a great businessman, but after multiple bankruptcies and a horrible reputation in the business world, his net worth is equal to 1/3 the return the S&P would have provided.
>Basically, a monkey with a brokerage account could have provided better returns
So, where's your proof that the killing of homosexuals and "infidels" are just the belief of a tiny fringe sliver if Islam?
you know, considering you didn't even try to look at the link provided and all...
muslim countries are shit. so would be christian countries. that isn't the point. the point is they;ve always been that way. the middle east wasn't taken over by radical islam. they've been that way for a thousand years.
ISIS though is something different. and you can perceive it as the last ditch attempt by some radical people to not change.
in another generation or two it won't even be an issue.
This troll thread isn't very good
The only reason /b/ would be pro-Trump
is because he too is racist trash
You should all make America great