She killed a pregnet women and her unborn child FFS of course its not over kill and it most likely partly because she's black because the whites in america know that they don't have total control over the blacks. There's a non-bias and non-racist for you.
>>692461659 She, as well as most of the others are on the list because they fled the country, not necessarily because of the crimes specifically. The 10 most wanted list Is usually reserved for criminals who fled the country or are still in the US and suspected to commit more crimes.
>>692461659 I mean, if you look at the other people they're all similar. Killers, rapists, bank robbers etc.
I'm pretty sure since you can't really just kill/arrest the head of a cartel and pretend you solved the problem they don't bother even putting those cocksuckers on the list anymore. It's just a long-standing project and the big ten are just people who particularly pissed them off recently.
>tfw this case isn't even about the mother and her rights >its now about racial prejudice >even though if a white person stabbed a 9mo pregnant mother and her child and then fled the country they'd have their ass on that list too
>>692461659 >or is it because she's black Whenever a black person says this shit, it instantly invalidates anything they were saying. Once they pull the race card I'm done giving them any consideration.
>>692463047 really though why do you value human life so much? Think for a second there a a few thousand gorillas left on the earth. Humans outnumber them in the billions. So it does not truly matter at all if a few thousand or even millions of humans perish.
That's what racists say, apparently. Did your blacks ever do something comparable to "Black Lives Matter"? Do they constantly bitch about slavery and ask the descendants of slave owners for free money? Or is that just us?
>>692463047 She killed a pregnant women in front of her 2 other kids because she THOUGHT the woman talked shit about her family. That's all it took to set jiggaboo off. Bitch should be put down like a zoo gorilla for the public's safety.
>>692468162 How about no - she doesn't deserve free room and board and better medical care than over half the country receives on taxpayer dime. We should bring back hangings, save on drug costs for executions too.
>>692468481 >gun show loophole Patently false. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/30/the-gun-show-loophole-myth/ Background checks abound, when buying a gun LEGALLY. She would get picked up in a second. Oh are you talking about a p2p sale, welp that isnt a LEGAL sale, if the proper backwork isnt filed. So she could get a gun, just not legally.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-stale-claim-that-40-percent-of-gun-sales-lack-background-checks/2013/01/20/e42ec050-629a-11e2-b05a-605528f6b712_blog.html Thr majority of sales done without background checks is from friends and family. And even then to be 100% it is recommended to fill out paperwork.
>>692469490 Yes i have been to a gun show. The majority of sellers are licensed dealers which must perform background checks. The rest are fellas selling their collection, but funnily enough unless they like you or have extreme amounts of cash, you wont get shit. Go check one out instead of diddling your cock all day
>>692469699 I was born in Texas, retard. I've been to gunshows, and I've seen my family members buy guns in less than an hour from complete strangers. Even if it's not "legal", it's still a firearm they just obtained. What do they use it for? Who the fuck knows? Orlando shooting or shooting sick cattle, they use it for whatever the fuck they want to. And it shouldn't have been that easy for my redneck asshole family members to obtain a gun in the first place. Yet it was and here you are, m-muh second amendment.
At the time it was written, it referred to muskets. Not M16s. And it even says in the first sentence, "WELL REGULATED MILITIA", WELL REGULATED. They didn't even trust the uneducated masses back THEN.
>>692470161 M16s are not available to the general public. An M16 has not committed a crime by a civilian. Ever.
I agree all sales should be required to go through an FFL though. Is it really that hard to pay $20 to an FFL for a private sale? I've sold a gun privately, which was sold again and again and had it show up in crime. Of course I was contacted as the last registered owner of the gun. Gun nuts need to realize universal background checks are going to protect them.
>>692461659 The FBI top 10 is always full of people that did shit tier crimes, men that killed only once. It is really stupid and it goes on to reflect how retarded our system is. There is tons of people whom have killed more than one person yet tge top ten list includes a fellar that raped only one girl once.
>>692461659 She killed some bitch who might have deserved it. Oh, and the bitch was pregnant, so now she's a "monster." And if the pregnant bitch had killed the baby herself, she's "exercising her rights." Fucking hypocritical shits. I smite all of yee.
>>692470161 >even if its not 'legal' Than it is illegal, the only way to stop this is to ban all guns and destroy what is in the country. Guns will be obtained, no matter what. What measures should we take? Also if the second amendment only applies to muskets, the first doesnt apply to computers.
>>692474699 And people do faggot. The only people selling guns to crazies, illegally, is criminals. And if a crazy gets a gun after passing background checks, what do you propose faggot? How can we make sure a crazy doesnt obtain a gun legally, while persercing the rights of normal americans?
>>692473686 The same reason we the people, as a sort-of-democracy, decided we should regulate the transfer and sale of vehicles and watercraft. It's in the interest of the safety of the general public. $20 is a very insignificant fee for a firearm that costs hundreds of dollars. The transfer literally takes 10 minutes. Let's not be a little bitch and save a few lives, k?
I'm so fucking tired of conservatives saying that its their basic American right to own a gun. No other country has this bullshit logic, and we just sit here shooting each other all day long while yelling out "MUH RIGHTS THOUGH". Well you go ahead and talk about your right to own a gun while another Sandy Hook happens. Then, look their parents in the eyes and tell them that their children are dead now because you want easy access to firearms for all citizens.
>>692475384 >implying other countries are like America Im sorry these events happen, but it is a right of the American people to own firearms. There is no debating this. People ar dying, but the majority of gun deaths are gang related, why dont we curb that problem. Shootings like sandy hook, orlando, etc. With the high body count are rare. And school children are not actively being hunted dude.
>>692475299 Riiight inherited guns. All criminals inherit their gun from their criminal parents. No, they purchase them privately. Often from gun shows. Go to a gun show in a large city and just watch the gangstas flock to the cheap pistols. Of course this would not stop all gun crime or even the majority. We're not looking for majority solutions. That's unrealistic. But even if a few peoples lives are saved because some gangbanger could not get access to a firearm, I am ok spending $20 to save a life. That seems pretty cheap to me.
Your logic would imply we should allow automobiles to be privately sold to alcoholics and those unfit to drive. Because they are going to get them illegally, anyway. Be real.
>>692475742 No, not actively hunted. Just innocent bystanders shot to death by someone who had easy access to firearms.
>there is no debating this
Obviously there is otherwise you'd shut the fuck up by now. The majority of gang related deaths could ALSO be affected by curbing gun ownership. We could theoretically kill two birds with one stone here, but instead we get the constitution thrown into our faces by farmers whose children aren't being slaughtered. Its rare, but it still happens. We justify the death of our children by yelling the bill of rights at each other.
>>692479141 to put this into godwins law terms so you'll actually understand it:
hitler thought he was a good guy too. he thought he was doing things necessary for the good of his people. and the citizens of the third reich agreed with him. as far as they knew, he was actually putting jews and disabled people to work in those camps.
>>692477367 do you really blame the tools over who uses them? and as someone who has lost family to gunfire i dont stay awake at night with the gun running through my mind, its always the human. i already assume everyone has a gun so i make sure i have one. if my child dies, it was my fault
>>692481369 Either you're linking to the wrong anon or you actually are that autistic.
Repeat it to yourself all you want, people are still dying because of it. All points you've made are moot, since its the same fucking point over and over again. Repeat it all you want, it's still a shit argument.
>>692471609 How about we realize the Constitution was written in order to limit government, and the 9th and 10th amendments are basically ignored?
The Constitution has failed. Some lip service is just pr. The feebs have arrogated every known power, and the reason this is generally bad, is that it is individual people, working for the gummint, that actually wield this power.
The NSA has the power to intercept every business communication in the world. Do you think any data analyst will ever die poor?
Government is only an agreement we make. If we don't have a power, such as self defense, we cannot delegate it through an agreement.
The genie is not going back in the bottle. Libfags keep making wishes, a good choice in that circumstance. Confags keep trying to keep it off their ass, or use against their enemies. Both just accept it as a given.
It's not, and has never been more vulnerable. A world is coming where I won't need your permission, because I can just print whatever I want, from lolis to nukes.
>>692482096 How m8? How is it a shitty argument? Are you saying rights should be abandoned whenever people want them to be abandoned? Kek, you have no argument against it being a right, you have the shit argument m8
>>692470161 >At the time it was written, it referred to muskets. At the time it was written it refereed to cannons and the puckle gun as well you mong.
>well regulated Which does not mean government regulated, but it's original meaning used at the time which was "in good order". Essentially if the people who may want to form a malitia can't train with their fire arms then it's not well regulated.
>>692473669 its for active crimes. There is no point in telling citizens of professionals or people who committed crimes 30 years ago. Actual terrorists and shit are handled by the fbi locally and cia internationally.
>>692461659 She's been captured, she was second on the Most wanted list. The top most wanted man is an arab man who killed his daughters, the third is a Latino who stole $7 million.
Murder is fucked up and all, but why is a guy who killed two people top of the list? There is a man who has been missing since 1976 on the list who killed his wife, mother and three kids, took their bodies to a remote area where he buried them in shallow graves and set them on fire. No terrorists, no mass murderers, just a woman who murders a pregnant woman and a man who killed his daughters.
Oh yeah, those OTHER outdated weapons that took a long time to load and were hard to come by for the average American citizen. Name a few more, let's see how many outdated weapons that amendment actually referenced.
>does not mean government regulated So your entire stance is that someone should own a gun, and then just do whatever the fuck they want with it without consequence or regulation from anyone. You know who actually did that? Omar Mateen.
>>692484553 whats the point of putting him on the list. He obviously goes by another name and looks totally different now. Citizens should not try to find active terrorists. That is the job for professionals.
>>692484848 Dear god I'm so tired of this fucking stance.
The only people who own guns are the people who shoot other people. That's it, there's no other way to phrase this. You own a gun, you usually try to shoot things. If you DONT have a gun, it gets SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER TO SHOOT THINGS.
We shouldn't want people taking the law into their own goddamn hands, but just because the definition of a "felon" is "someone who breaks the law" doesn't mean that a law put in place will be entirely useless. As far as anyone knew, Mateen was a law abiding citizen. And he still killed 49 people. >his fire-arm was legally obtained too
>>692485916 It is this, the old definition for those words, well regulated, doesnt mean regulated in the sense of restrictions but in the sense of well maintained. And where is yesterday's demand gramps? What are you even saying? Not one of the founding fathers ever called for regulation on firearms, and if they dis, why didnt they put it in the Constitution? Why doesnt it say only one musket per person in a well regulated militia? Think about that
>>692486292 >regulated in the sense of well maintained >they still used the phrase "well maintained" back then
Well regulated means well regulated, because it means the same thing it did then as it does now. Yesterdays demand was a "well regulated militia", and what I'm saying is you're trying to change the definition of a phrase to support the argument that firearms do not need to be regulated whatsoever and that's bullshit. You can't change the definition of a word just to bolster your argument.
>Not one of the founding fathers ever called for regulation Except when they LITERALLY SAID "WELL REGULATED" IN THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION ITSELF.
inb4 this faggot tries to say "nu uh its in the bill of rights durr read a fuckn book omg". The bill of rights is an addendum to the fucking constitution of the United States.
>>692486715 “I must say this concerning the great controversy over rifles and shotguns. The only thing that I’ve ever said is that in areas where the government has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it’s time for Negroes to defend themselves.
“Article number two of the constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun. It is constitutionally legal to own a shotgun or a rifle. This doesn’t mean you’re going to get a rifle and form battalions and go out looking for white folks, although you’d be within your rights — I mean, you’d be justified; but that would be illegal and we don’t do anything illegal. ~Malcolm X
>>692486890 Most people think King would be the last person to own a gun. Yet in the mid-1950s, as the civil rights movement heated up, King kept firearms for self-protection. In fact, he even applied for a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
A recipient of constant death threats, King had armed supporters take turns guarding his home and family. He had good reason to fear that the Klan in Alabama was targeting him for assassination.
>>692487257 Of course they are, they want people subjegated and forced to believe their views because they cant believe anyone would think differently than them. Same reason they keep the poor on welfare
>>692487257 Listen Jamal, we are not perpetually stuck in the 60s. Just because someone says "maybe we should check this guys background first" doesn't mean I'm saying "we need to shoot black people because they suck". It means we're trying to apply common sense to a problem this country has.
And coincidentally this issue, like almost every issue in your life, has nothing to do with racial inequalities. Not everything that happens to black people happens just because they're black. Sometimes people are just responding to your actions as a person.
>>692487274 I'm sure if guns were banned, the civil rights movement would have been so much further along, right? Because, you know, the klan wouldnt have hung him before he even protested excpt that the klan had guns. I mean, they would never support gun control right?
>>692487711 Thats funny, I don't fly the confederate flag and I advocate for gun ownership. Ohhh, I see, you are just trying to paint everyone as a stereotype to be hated. Totally something who wasn't a racist would do. amirite?
>>692487797 There is a very good reason to advocate for citizens to be able to possess arms and it is not something in the constitution that only happened back in the revolutionary war period. Racism was an active problem in the 50's till the 70's. but you are like "that was like what... 45 years ago? Obviously its super different now and will always be perfect utopian paradise right?
I'm not the one who said that flag was racist, but the entire country sure caused a shit storm over it. It's ironic that a black person would side with gun owners, when THOSE are the racists they're railing against in the first place.
I've listened to my gun owning family flat out say, "we need to get that fucking nigger out of office". They call all black people niggers. Gun owners are the SEAT of racism in America.
>>692488209 The fact that I have white people telling me to "check my privilege" is proof that it is INSANELY different now than it was in the 60s.
Conveniently enough, The Civil Rights movement had nothing to do with what we're talking about and yet somehow it all gets riled back to racial politics. EVERYTHINGS about the black man, right? Lets ALL TALK about the black man. Over and over and over again.
>>692488266 >my family is racist >all gun owners are racist Sounds like you have some issues to work out man, also your anecdotal evidence is totes proving your point. >gun owners are the SEAT of racism Only siths and bigots deal in absolutes, hopefully you have some sweet lightening powers.
>>692488571 >calls an obvious prejudice bigot out >now now dont be righteous Fuck this anon who wants to take away American's rights and who wants to categorize them as the only racists in America. Fuck this guy
>>692461896 >little weird Really?!? If this was a white male you would all for this, but because it's a nigger you're somehow okay with her murdering a pregnant woman? You are everything wrong with the world.
>>692488961 Oh my god wait, so you're telling me that he obtained a gun LEGALLY...AND STILL KILLED 49 PEOPLE WITH IT?!
Wow, welcome to the entire fucking point. A US citizen legally obtained a firearm, and then used it to kill people. Passing more laws means it might've been harder for him to obtain one, since he used to be on a terrorist WATCH LIST for fucks sake. But now, those 49 people are dead and all we tell them is "get over it, muh gun rightz".
>>692489139 >hilarious to say the least >claims only gun owners are racist Yes it is hilarious. Im sorry daddy took you out to the range as a young child and you cried and he laughed at you. >he was on a watch list So are millions of Americans, some of which own guns. You can get on a watch list if you piss off your neighbor and they are cunts. What about due process before we strip people of their (yes im going to say, because you havent proved how it isnt) right to own a firearm.
>>692489139 Bathtubs kill about 300 people per year. We should ban bathtubs and have more regulation. Pencils kill 100 people per year. We should regulate more pencils. Lawn Mowers cause 113 deaths yearly. More Regulation!
Again, and its not surprising to anybody, your reading comprehension failed you. No where in this entire thread did I say that the ONLY racists that exist in this country are gun owners.
But if you're seriously going to sit there and tell me, an actual southerner, that the people who own guns out here arent ALSO racists then I can't take you seriously anymore. Here I am with actual firsthand proof, and you sit there yelling MUH RIGHTS MUH RIGHTS over and over again.
Watch this faggot respond, "yeah but you havent proved how muh rights arent being infringed" AGAIN. AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN.
>>692489826 Bathtubs are also regulated by governmental agencies designed to protect the consumer.
>try again >maybe this time bring up how many people die by drowning in pools >which are ALSO regulated by laws >for safety reasons
Go ahead, throw literally everything but the kitchen sink into this. Everything that causes deaths in this country is regulated by laws for safety concerns. EVERYTHING EXCEPT GUNS. RENDERING THEIR STATISTICS USELESS IN THIS DEBATE.
We're not talking about pools or bathtubs. We're talking about guns.
>>692489341 The gun show loophole is a non issue. All guns have to have background checks for handguns (which are largely what people rob people with) It's only individuals at gun shows who sell rifles. Largely, these are not the guns people kill people with because they are more expensive (if you needed money and had an expensive gun, you would just sell the expensive gun) and only account for about 1% of a gun shows sales. Even if they did pass a law. It would just cost an extra ten dollars for them to do a background check. It's really a non issue.
The issue is gun BANS and ammunition and magazine capacity. They put bans on things like "military style" and such weapons which no one uses in crimes and are usually less effective. Most of these people who are advocating for bans of "scary guns" have zero idea how guns work and just imagine how they work.
In fact, if that muslim guy in florida wanted to kill more people he would have used gasoline and fire. The smoke inhilation alone would have killed way more people.
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