the problem is not guns or gun control
the problem is extremist muslims invading the world with their mass migration and extreme religious practices.
nobody wants to be the next hitler but its what this world needs.
Did you know that one of the guns used in the Paris terrorist attack was one of the Fast and Furious guns? I mean.. fuck.
And people still eat this shit up. They're so stupid they're blind.
From my cold dead hands.
>punch someone square in the nose
>they punch you back
>OH GOD HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED!!!
"evil" "muslim" "terrorist" attacks happen for a reason, a reason that flies right over the head of pretty much everyone it seems.
Yeah, that reason is that we haven't wiped them out yet. They're a cancerous religion that won't stop until everyone is Islamic, or dead.
Fuck muslims, and fuck anyone who's stupid enough to support them.
We should drop a couple Tsar's on the Middle East, then let the Army/Marines run wild picking off the left overs. Solve the problem once and for all.
Nigger are you serious?
>invade their land
>try to force a change in their way of life
>they don't take very kindly to this
>act as if you have no idea why
>islam is the issue
It's resistance to western influence. You see this shit anywhere the west has stuck its nose in history. The only difference now from before is they have the capability to attack us at home instead of just having to keep the fight in theirs.
You're cherry picking timelines. You're only going far enough back to prove your point, and denying everything prior. They weren't peaceful, silent little desert monkeys you fucking neandertwat. They've been a problem for about as long as we've kept records.
Wipe them out. Kill anyone who even thinks of talking about the Koran. Solve it.
Missing the whole point numbnuts. If we had fucked off and left them alone, we would have no issue with attacks here. No one gives a fuck if they wanna kill eachother in their own little shithole.
>Kill anyone who even thinks of talking about the Koran.
And the good goy award goes to (you). You are exactly what the government wants. They fuck about in the middle east, the middle east hits back, and they use it as an excuse to further fuck about in the middle east, while taking away your rights here at home (We're going to make it so we can throw you in prison anytime without trial, but don't worry, we'll only use it on muslims, we promise). And you swallow it up whole.
You're talking about villages where the entire populace was going mad via the toxic effects of ergot poisoning. You know, the shit that made the girls act so fucking crazy they seemed like witches? Yeah, it made other people crazy too.
Funnily enough.. there were two reasons that amplified the ergot situation. Two things that made the villagers so desperate for nourishment that they ate the wheat, even though it was obviously bad.
1.) Weather. Oddly enough, climate change happened even before we industrialized shit.
2.) The living conditions.. which were 100% due to Muslim invasions.. which had been going on for over 1000 years. (Yes, you're THIS FUCKING STUPID.)
You're an idiot, and painfully so.
I'm not talking about an ongoing war with the Middle East.. I'm talking about wiping them out entirely.. within the span of months, or a year.. you fucking moronic shitpickle.
They're like BLM.. there's no talking to them. There's no trying to reason with something that hates you that much, simply because you're not giving them everything they want.
Wipe them the fuck out.
Nice, I guess you'd blame the death of Jesus on Muslims to if you could right?
Terrible living conditions justify being barbaric? Well guess what conditions Muslims currently have in the middle east ...
the issue is people, guns dont kill people, people kill people, we need to stop the people, with all these murders, gun sales have spiked because people are trying to protect themselves, now is not the time to disarm the innocents but help protect them selves from other PEOPLE not GUNS
>I'm not talking about an ongoing war with the West.. I'm talking about wiping them out entirely.. within the span of months, or a year.. you fucking moronic shitpickle.
>They're like Americans.. there's no talking to them. There's no trying to reason with something that hates you that much, simply because you're not giving them everything they want.
>Wipe them the fuck out.
>the problem is not guns or gun control
>the problem is extremist Muslims invading the world with their mass migration and extreme religious practices.
The fuck? Although I do have an issue with the ideology associated with the Islamic faith if you're trying to use this meme to say that rifles are used to kill people because Muslims that would be misleading (at least in the U.S.)... Generally speaking, terrorism and mass shootings in aren't even the biggest problem when it comes to guns violence. I'm pretty sure gang related violence and suicides are the top problematic statistics.
Did you know that Omar used a Sig Sauer MCX in the Orlando shooting? A firearm that uses the short-stroke gas piston operated system. A system that ISN'T compatible with AR-15s. Though it is found on AR-18s.
Yet we are working on restricting the weapon an unrelated platform because it's a "military grade" killing machine.
Fun fact! The military likes to use and reuse old equipment. A large number of the M16s and M249s are from just after the Vietnam War. The M16s have a lot of wobble and are damn lucky to hit targets at 300 meters. Civilian firearms have better specs, hands down. "Military grade" my ass...
Fun Fact #2! The AR-15 was originally designed for the military. Unfortunately, it didn't get the funding and was sold off. Colt picked it up and introduced the AR-15 to the civilian market as a hunting rifle BEFORE our military modified it and adopted it as the M16. AR-15 =/= M16
Fun Fact #3! Civilian firearms, off the shelf, are only capable of semi automatic. They have been for years. (Duh) Fire rates haven't changed. Some one who is proficient enough, can shoot a 1911 just as fast as an AR-15. I've personally seen 12 rounds, 2 six-rounds mags, in under 4 seconds with a 1911.
Fun Fact #4! Fully automatic firearms are legal to own. ONLY if they were manufactured before 1986 (If I'm not mistaken on the year). They are rather expensive and are regulated heavily.
Fun fact #5! It is possible to modify modern semi-automatic rifles to full auto. It is illegal and requires a bit of work, often times milling the lower receiver to fit the parts required.
That's right, ask the government to come fuck your rights in the ass because a mean ol muslim shot up a bunch of fags. But don't go asking why they are doing this in the first place, or we might have to put you on the watchlist.
Missing the whole damn point. You don't need to reason with them. They don't want you talking to them at all, that's where all this starts. Simply stop fucking with them, and they stop fucking with you.
>I'm talking about wiping them out entirely.. within the span of months, or a year.
Way to show off your fucking edges. It's like hopping the fence into your neighbors backyard and sitting on an anthill, then crying like a bitch when they bite you.
It doesn't work if you're cherry picking, dumbass.
If the West had started aggressions.. you're snarky shit would ring a bell and we'd all get it.
But that's simply not the case. There is no religion inherent to the West that teaches it's people to either convert, or kill. It doesn't exist.
Stupidity like yours is slobberingly-special.
>Fun Fact #4! Fully automatic firearms are legal to own. ONLY if they were manufactured before 1986 (If I'm not mistaken on the year). They are rather expensive and are regulated heavily.
Damn I never knew that. Apparently is was Reagan who put that shit in place?
Not that guy but
>Terrible living conditions justify being barbaric
I think if people are being poisoned and are legitimately meth head unstable, it's not in your best interest to stop and care about their feelings.
So tell me, what was the official start of the war on the west in recent years?
And don't argue the ottoman empire, or is the us still in the believe Brits want to overthrow their government at all costs?
Also, why do you get to cherry pick and I don't?
The ergot poisoned their minds. Try googling something for once. It drove people mad. It's a kind of artificial insanity.
If it weren't for the Muslims.. they wouldn't have had to eat the ergot-laden wheat to survive.
This isn't hard to understand. It's pretty simple bro. Yet, here you are.. struggling. Only getting little bits here and there.
Just enough to pick those cherries.
>I can run away from a knife
Dumbass, don't you know all you have to do is put a military style assault scope on it and it can kill a child up to 100 meters?
>If the West had started aggressions.
Except it did. Fucking hell, look at Israel. The whole of that shitty little country causing a massive amount of unrest, but it continues to exist because we prop it up. Not to mention all the other bullshit that the government has done in that region.
>There is no religion inherent to the West that teaches it's people to either convert, or kill
Keep watching that fucking TV goy. The religion is merely a tool for them to unify and boost moral. The whole "convert or die" bullshit is just that. They be perfectly content "convert or die"ing eachother as long as we stay out of it.
Muslim terrorism didn't start with 9/11. Russia, and Europe have been struggling against these crazy fucks for a LONG fucking time, idiot.
In fact.. SINCE THEY EXISTED. It's literally from the beginning of the West.
Just shut up! You're a fucking moron who knows NOTHING about history. Your fucking idiotic head is so naive a fucking vacuum keeps calling, asking it out on a date.
Fucking die you idiot cunt.
>>invade their land
>>try to force a change in their way of life
>>they don't take very kindly to this
>>act as if you have no idea why
nigger they would do this shit with or without the invasion of their land.
their goals are world domination.
Could tell you off the top of my head.
Full autos are pretty expensive. Parts are very hard to come by. So majority of the time, these firearms sit as decoration pieces as to not wear them down any further.
People do shoot them. Don't get me wrong there. Just not as much as you think.
Yeah and if weren't for Charlemagne people wouldn't have died from eating potatoes.
Doesn't mean he's at fault.
Just a shitty coincident, unless you can show me that ergot was used as chemical warfare.
Also, you do realize that basically the situation is now reversed?
No, but you could care about improving their living conditions and thereby there mental health.
Really? I wonder if christian have been fighting with roman and Greek religions since they came up. They sure did like the jews .
I like how you explicitly ignored my plea not to argue that your grandpa once got exploited by them, since we all did that at one time or another and now were mostly over it.
Also, insults are a nice basis of argument, way to go.
are you a muslim sympathizer?
i get that they have their way of life. and we dont have the right to go and take that from them. but you need to be realistic. their way of life is barbaric. who are we to judge tho right? what if barbaric values are normal and
"right" for these people? who are we as westerners to say that they are wrong or evil?
i totally understand this. but like i said we need to be realistic. just take a look at that culture. rape and severe inequality is the norm around there. i amonst many others believe that every human should have standard rights as humans including the right to not be raped. muslims need very very extreme reform because that religion is extremely outdated. either that or they need to blown to hell.
>End of the Third Reich + 71 years
>People actually not ironically being a neo-nazis
>their goals are world domination.
The government is openly moving to discard all limitations in spying on and detaining you, but yeah, a bunch of pissed of goat herders is the real thing you should be worried about.
We shouldn't be trying to "reform" or "civilize" them. It's not our place. It's pretty funny, as much as the left makes fun of the "white mans burden" shit, they act no different. Apparently i'm the only person who had a wise grade school teacher who gave me the best advice you can get: Mind your own damn business.
You say extremists like their entire religion already isnt like that
You made me google usa gun vs knife deaths
theres jihadists, the ones who blow themselves up. then theres the regular folk who wouldnt blow themselves up but still believe in fundamental islam. instead of blowing themselves up, they choose to try and use democracy to spread their religion. then you have the westernized muslims who have moved on from rape / kill all non believer type mentality.
all of these people are at risk of radicalizing.
when i say extremists im talking about the ones who are willing to blow themselves up. i know most of the religion shares the same beliefs but only few of them are "extremists"
OP has been jewed.
For everybodies information, the Terrorist Agenda is a real thing. The jew-owned corporate media is doing exactly what the jews did back in the day to the germans. Demonizing them. They demonized the Germans and Hitler to make them look bad, and they caused a world hatred against them, triggering WWII. How did they do it? By pulling off the Holocaust lie.
Today, the jews are doing the exact same thing, but not towards Germans, but towards muslims. The jews are demonizing the muslims, and they are using the mainstream news outlets, Hollywood, literature, and internet, to spread the propaganda. How are they doing this? By financing terrorism themselves. The jews are literally paying for terrorism, because only Israel benefits from this.
If you guys look at a fucking map, you'll see that every muslim country around Israel is in turmoil. Syria, Turkey, Egypt, etc etc. Why don't the Syryan refugees go to other muslim countries? Because the jews are pushing them away from the middle east, as far away from Israel as possible.
It's the Terrorist agenda that's brainwashing the people. Islam is not a horrible religion. It's just a religion, one that allegedly takes you to God. But the jews distort Islam, and they make it look bad by financing al-qaeda and ISIS and the high-quality torture and murder videos they spread across the internet.
It's happening, people. The jews are brainwashing you by making you believe that muslims are scum, that they're animals who like to chop heads and beat their woman and fuck little girls. That is not Islam. Islam is not about violence like the jews make you believe. The terrorist agenda is all about annihilating Islam and all muslims, for the "protection and expansion" of Israel. It's no coincedence that Israel was created after WWII out of stolen land. It's no coincedence that the World Trade Center collapsed by alleged muslims, or that thousands of palestenians are being murdered by Israel.
Well, consider the fact that Muslim terrorists bombed the WTC in 1993. They suicide bombed the USS Cole before 9/11. The Muslims have been attacking the States and the West long before 9/11 ...and any bullshit reason that the States provoked such. Consider the US aided the Muslims in war against the Soviets, and again in the 1990s the US fought ON BEHALF of the Muslims to save them from genocide in Bosnia and Herzegovina. And I could go on and on.
The 2 a very related. The government pisses off muslims, then uses their retaliation as an excuse to spy on you.
Fuck off with this globalist world police "oh my g-d, i'm such a righteous moral crusader!" bullshit. We're anything but obligated to go over there and make the problem worse with our mere presence. If everyone tilled their own field and peered through their own windows instead of marching over to neighbors house to burn his house down because he called his wife a cunt, we'd all be better off.
Dude, don't let the kikes brainwash you. If you meet ANY REAL muslim in real life, they would never chop your head off just for not being a muslim. The beheading is a lie, muslims won't behead you for being christian or hindu or atheist or whatever. I repeat: if you meet a muslim in real life and tell them you're a christian or atheist or whatever, you won't be beheaded. Why not? Because Islam isn't about violence. Only the fake Islam that the kike-financed terrorists preach is about violence. And it's fucking obvious, too. I can't believe millions of people can't see such a thing. What, do you people have the IQ of a turd or something? Wake up.
>>invade their land
there is no land , its global , this shits on you`re argument you fuckin retard
>>try to force a change in their way of life
bullshit , they come to our country and continue doing the same as before , if its allowed here they you are fuckin deluded if you think theres a sea change in the places these cunts are found
>>islam is the issue
its a religion of peace thats if the cunts stop killing everyone including themselves
>It's resistance to western influence. You see this shit anywhere the west has stuck its nose in history. The only difference now from before is they have the capability to attack us at home instead of just having to keep the fight in theirs.
fuck off , those poor bastards in turkey invade no-one , you cunts come along and kill women and children as acts of vengence over nothing , take a long hard look you fucking retard , the worlds a better place without cunts like YOU
>Fuck off with this globalist world police
how bout you fuck off with your "lets do nothing and itll all be okay in the end" mentality.
shits already happening. your way of thinking isnt even an option. they need to be stopped.
>muslims won't behead you for being christian or hindu or atheist or whatever
yes they fucking will and they do it all the time.
maybe not all of them. but you cant say they dont do this shit when there are fucking videos all over the place in 4k resolution clearly showing muslims cutting heads off.
i have met a real muslim in person at college.
he was the most entitled prick ive ever met, demanding good grades from the professor in front of everyone even though the faggot never even showed up for class. i tried talking to him as a human being and all he showed was hatred for my ideas and thoughts. he was extremely rude and had no regard for anyone but himself and his beliefs.
Except the vast majority of Syrian refugees do go to majority muslim countries, see: turkey, lebanon, jordan.
Europeans act like they're getting the brunt of it, that they're being "overwhelmed" by a "horde" of syrians, when the typical numbers in a European country is in the thousands, maybe tens of thousands. 3 european countries (excluding turkey) have over 100k, only one of which has over 200k. This is the so-called migrant "crisis". What a joke.
Real judaism isn't bad, and christianity isn't bad either. The so-called jews who have control of the banks and government and media, they are the ones who are bad to the core. As well as the catholic christians who control the vatican. They are the scum, but in general, the religion isn't bad at all; bad are the things that those with power and influence do.
>And the west has been meddling in the middle east long before 9/11.
Name a middle eastern nation the States have "meddled" with or colonised? Was it when they prevented the Afghans from being wiped out from the Soviets, Kuwait from being wiped out by Iraq ...yes, the States have with evil intent ravaged the middle east. Hell, the US even prevented a total Muslim genocide in Bosnia in the 1990s. It is Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, etc. that have colonised every third-world shitbox they could locate on this earth. But facts never need get in the way opinion and ideology.
You apparently never travel. You have to meet muslims to know them. You can't go on through your fucking life thinking you know someone by watching propaganda on the internet.
Go to most cities in the middle east. Be your normal self, say you're not a muslim, most of the time you won't even have to say it, it's obvious by the way you dress around them. Yes, they might stare a lot, I got that a lot, but it's normal. Most muslims aren't used to seeing a guy in a western outfit walking the streets. And yes, some might all you names and shit in their language, but they will not fucking behead you. And this is well known, I can't believe I have to fucking explain this rookie shit to you.
>there is no land , its global
No, it's their land.
>bullshit , they come to our country and continue doing the same as before
Can't blame them because the west is to cucked to close its borders
>its a religion of peace thats if the cunts stop killing everyone including themselves
Never have i argued that islam is a religion of peace.
>the worlds a better place without cunts like YOU
The world is better off without cunts like me that advocate not fucking with other societies?
We spent over 10 years "trying to stop this" (read: make sure our puppet government doesn't get overthrown, and our stolen resource lines cut off.) You're delusional if you think our meddling will ever solve their problems.
This is about the west as a whole, not just the US. But as for the US, we are the primary leg for Israel to stand on. Israels very existence is a major issue over there.
Hot damn, son, you've made a great point. I cannot argue with a single thing you've stated. Wow. I owe you a pint of beer for that.
You're right. If you are so self righteous go ahead and sell off everything that is non essential to your survival and hence forth donate everything you make or earn to the less fortunate
If you don't do this you can go ahead and shut the fuck up.
The muslims are the exact same though. None of these goat herders and villagers are sitting around dreaming about world domination. You'll notice, the leadership of all these islamist movements, are upper-class college educated city people.
Why compare a kitchen knife, that's really really easy to get, everyone has one, to an AR? Kitchen knife deaths should only be compared to handguns, that comparison is already skewed.
Compare AR death to swords, see how well that pans out.
>solve their problems.
im not saying we should solve their problems.
im saying stop with meddling and just fucking blow them all to hell. get completely rid of them. end their religion. im asking for the governments of the world to ban together just for one last badly needed genocide.
Cars don't go on mass shootings. Also, I made a mistake, they're talking about ARs, not handguns, even so, I've already said why comparing ARs to kitchen knives in unfair and dumb in my recent post.
Handguns are okay. Cars are okay. But if it's an AR, it's wrong, just like if someone owned a tank, it would be wrong.
>but they will not fucking behead you
they are entirely morally allowed to do so, and this makes them dangerous enough. they could radicalize at any moment.
its like walking around with a venemous snake hanging around your neck. it might not bite, it might not do anything. so lets just leave it be.
this is sucha retarded way to look at it.
>Go to most cities in the middle east. Be your normal self, say you're not a muslim,
>Infidel, I promise you, come to the land of Allah and we won't hurt you. Please.
Ignore ISIS posters
Hide ISIS posters
>We should kill off things we don't like
Funny, you two morons are going on about wanting to do the same things that the Muslims
are doing while also bashing them for it. How incredibly dense.
>muh anecdotal evidence
No, and nobody in any country where syrians refugees are being accepted is such a thing mandatory. There are things called "refugee camps", I'm not sure if you're familiar with the term.
Automobiles have an essential and practical purpose beyond killing things.
>they could radicalize at any moment
Since we're both talking from our asses, I'll just say this: from my experience, the Muslims who are opposed to political and violent applications of Islam are more so than most other people. Assuming they'll radicalize seems narrow-minded
He means that you don't *need* to divert resources to a third party for the sake of being a good entity, making a comparison with countries and their roles and responsibilities.
You dense fuck.
Are you familiar with AR-15s? Do you think they are automatic, "machine gun" fire? Do you think the civilian version and the military version have no difference? Do you know the type of ammunition used in the AR-15 civilian version and, if so, that it is a common hunting ammunition?
>Muslims who are opposed to political and violent applications of Islam
this doesnt mean they think its wrong.
those people still believe in raping women and mollesting kids and other diabolical shit. they just dont act on it because they are afraid. but do not mistake these people for people like the west. i might be narrow minded but you are being ignorant.
>But if it's an AR, it's wrong
Why? Because you're scared of it and it looks super tactical?
>owning a tank
AR != Tank. And tanks are already regulated. You need to pay out the ass, get permits, licensing, rubber tracks, and most likely a disabled firing mech (unless you have special privs)
Why would owning a "non-lethal" tank be wrong?
You're SO concernced about the doings of everyone else in the world, yet you won't take any personally significant steps to progress your agenda of making sure no one is living in a manner that offends you.
i must be the most dense fuck around because i still dont understand.
my main point is that we need to destroy islam.
im not even talking about being a good country or anything like that.
Yes it does. If they thought it's right then they wouldn't be opposed to it now, would they? About your claims that westernized muslims they think raping etc. is okay, do you have any proofs? Or are you just spouting your ignorant babble without any kind of factual support?
>You're SO concernced about the doings of everyone else in the world
no im not.
i just said murder is wrong and a religion that promotes murder needs to be abolished.
how am i, a single person, going to stop an entire religion? you are acting like getting rid of all my possesions is a step forward towards this goal. it makes absolutely no sense.
I could go ahead and start pulling up some bullshit laws from the bible if you want. All the religions are shit, and all of their followers practice their book of choice in the manner that is convenient for them. My point was, your average muslim villager is about as much of a threat to you as the amish villager tilling his field like it's the 16th century.
how about we both provide proof here. why am i the only one needing to provide it. your claims could just as well be ignorant babble as well you dumbfuck.
im getting my information from a bill maher debate where a very educated man on his show was talking about this topic. he went into depth on all the types of muslims there are.
Yeah, exactly. ALL rifles killed less than 300 in 2013. Yeah, semi autos with high capacity mags make mass shootings a lot easier, but what about all the easily concealed handguns that make the vast majority of shootings possible? They're pushing for an "assault" weapon ban because that's the only ban the public will get behind, not because it will save a huge number of lives. It's a step, a foot in the door that sets a precedent for banning more types of guns.
Go back to /pol/ you disgusting Nazi trash. Genocide doesn't work, Hitler lost the war and an heroed because he was a fucking candyass, there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and only ~100,000 of them are interested in radical jihad, so don't fucking lump them all together, and guns are the fucking problem because shitheads like yourself can buy one today and shoot up a black church or a mosque tomorrow. Damn right guns should be controlled- I'd like to see the Orlando shooter just try to kill 49 innocent people with a pocket knife.
>Damn right guns should be controlled- I'd like to see the Orlando shooter just try to kill 49 innocent people with a pocket knife.
>implying weapons will dissapear once the goverment says "no weapons allowed!"
lol no it doesnt.
the claim is against assault rifles and knives.
not every type of gun violence there is.
look at it again and exclude handguns and rifles and all that other shit.
>jews r bad guys
Does that make you feel like a special snowflake when you say that?
I'm not certain what good a bullshit law from the bible would do. Your presumption that this is Christian vs. Muslim thing is obtuse. I'm neither arguing for Christianity, or mentioning it vis-a-vis to Islam. An atheist is not allowed to set foot in Mecca. My point is if regardless of how innocent, lowly or harmless you perceive them, they feel inherently that any/all non-Muslim is beneath them and unworthy.
>implying the government can't control ammunition production
>implying certain guns can't be made useless within a decade because no ammo and stockpiles are unsafe to use after a while
Are people really this fucking retarded? I'm all for keeping guns that serve a legitimate purpose, like hunting- but you should be fucking required to take classes and training before being allowed to own one, and you need to be required by law to store it properly and safely. But you don't fucking need an AR-15.
ITT: Muricans thinking "muh freedumb" isn't the same as "muh 72 virgins".
Of courss sugar, you're not being manipulated at all. Your cause is completely righteous, muslims are absolute evil and americans are absolute good. Wars are never complex socio-geo-political matters. They are very simple problems. Good guys "us" vs bad guys "them".
Can normies please leave my board ? I kinda hope you're all shitposting, but I come here to escape your inane opinions.
Why is self defense not a legitimate purpose?
>and you need to be required by law to store it properly and safely.
And so when someone breaks into my home again, I'm legally required to fumble through a safe?
>since we're talking out of our asses, I'll just state say this:from my experience, the muslims who are opposed to political and violent applications of Islam areso than most other people. Assuming they'll radicalize seems narrow minded.
Not the same anon, but did you actually read the post?
He's saying that since their religion is dangerously written, we should be careful about accepting them into our lives. He isn't saying they will radicalize, he is saying that islam, as a religion, provides a loophole that would make it easier to do so.
>implying the government can't control ammunition production
are you seriously this retarded
making things illegal will only create black markets making things even worse in the long run.
just look at alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs.
>1.5 billion Muslims in the world and only ~100,000 of them are interested in radical jihad
But how many of them are open to Sharia law, stoning, death to gays, etc? And why are so many Muslims extremist compared to every other religion? It's not even close
And many refugees in Europe raped, killed, vandalised, and refuse to respect other's culture etc
Just because a Muslim isn't an active terrorist, that doesn't immediately mean they're moderate peaceful saints
That would mean violating the Second Amendment
Is self defense not a reason?
>take classes and training
And how would this magically stop crime? So people will stop going out with their semi-autos and killing each other (Oh wait, that never happens)
Then that means you also don't need any other semi-auto rifle. Why is the AR-15 so big bad and evil to idiots like you?
They'll always try to regulate gun ownership, but it will never be banned. They know it would be a fucking disaster, because they'll have to pry them out of our cold dead hands.
All the rest of you who say "omg i'm so scared of these guns, nobody needs them anyways", enjoy what comes next, once we're gone...
>mfw i learned today that jews started world war 2 by making the world attack germany and hitler
not every country around israel is in turmoil, jordan is doing rather fine, egypt is also settling down after the arab spring(which israel had no reason to start as egypt and israel have been at peace for decades and the old regime was favorable towards israel)
the problem is extremists, there are always those on the outskirts of every side, look at WBC they would below up everyone who isnt them in a second if they got the chance
oh yeah how could i forget.
our government banned murder, that sure solved murder in this country.
jesus i cant believe people actually think controlling guns is a good idea.
According to the U.N., between 17-20 per cent are radical or have such leanings. That's actually 300 million, or nearly the entire population of the Eurozone. Certainly not a small number to dismiss with such flippancy. But please, never let facts get in the way of an opinion.
>you're gonna be dead before you can get a gun
>one bullet hole
Right, because if someone breaks into your home, they immediately have a perfect line of site and shoot you with pin point accuracy
Ehl o ehl
Yes, like the 1st Amendment, the one designed with 4chan, pornography, gangster rap, the Nation of Islam, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Skinheads, Black Panthers, the Internet, etc., in mind.
And cannons. If the government didn't wipe its ass with the constitution, I'd be able to own a tank and a mg42 unregulated. Of course this makes a faggot like you panic, because you forget, a handgun is the only thing useful to a criminal.
Only time I'm pulling out the AR-15 is if there's a legit riot going on or there's nothing else in arm's reach.
I would like an assualt rifle though. Maybe that trip to Southern America needs to happen sooner...
Sure, and while you bring up muskets... The 2nd Amendment never uses the word "musket" or specify a type of firearm. Its about being able to defend yourself. Who in their right mind would go into a modern battle with a musket?
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed"
>implying the government can't control ammunition production
>implying certain guns can't be made useless within a decade because no ammo and stockpiles are unsafe to use after a while
I've fired rounds that were made prior to WWII and they functioned perfectly fine. "Stockpiles" don't really degrade if they are stored properly (like in the air tight cans bulk surplus ammo usually comes in). Plus, you can always reload old brass. Hell, you can make gunpowder from fermented piss and charcoal if you're dedicated enough. Look at the Oklahoma City bombing; everything those guys used was bought legally and is still legal today, and they killed 3x as many people as in Orlando
>invade their land
No. That land, the middle east and north africa, used to be white Christian land. Ever tmsince the inception of Islam they've been killing people and trying to take over the world. They've also spread shit genetics around like the arab/turk genes.
Islam has always been the offensive side. They started the attacks, they cry after any attacks, faggots like you feel bad for them, and they just keep on killing to this day.
They haven't changed since they've started.
ITT: kids who arent even old enough to drive, much less vote nor own a gun, lulzily attempt to debate infinitely complex social and cultural issues that affect all of mankind from the comfort of their parents' basement
Ah, yes, the obtuse's argumentative equivalent of pics or didn't happen. Google is your friend. In addition, you can search the UN's publicly available reports, especially their security council.
im not the guy you are arguing with, but how can you say that without feeling like a hypocrite, when we do the exact same to the world and are always trying to expand.
i don't think 1 is a lot more evil than the other. but stay paranoid mr amerifat
You are missing the point. The 2nd Amendment is about "Hey, lets all have cool toys, cause muskets are great"
Its "Hey, all of use MUST be allowed to have weapons capable of defending ourselves from potential tyranny and oppression. The people have every right to keep guns, just like the g-men".
So yes, I DO firmly believe they'd have still written it if 900RPM weapons existed. Bearing in mind, of course, that such weapons would not be, and are not, legal for citizens.
>What type of weapons did they have?
>they only had de single shot muskets XD. dat was the only weapon back in dem times XD
Yes, they would have written the same shit.
And 900 RPM? wat
There's your (You)
Come out to my van. I've got something to show you.
>Would our forefathers have written the same shit if they had 900RPM weapons?
YOU TARDS ALWAYS BRING UP MUSKETS LIKE IT'S SOME HIDDEN ACE
WE USED MUSKETS AT THE TIME BECAUSE
THE FUCKING BRITISH USED MUSKETS
Ultimately, the reason why Muslims are more likely to be backwards has more to do with the fact that the Muslim world has been socially and economically failing, including during the period where individualism and the concept of fundamental rights came up most (the Enlightenment). The poor and uneducated made up a bigger portion of the population, and several barriers (both physical and nonphysical) prevented the ideas of the Enlightenment from spreading properly. The legitimacy that the caliphate and the kuran had over Islam prevented it's reform to be more suitable for modernism with many of its issues from being addressed in the same way that the protestant reformation changed christianity. Western interventionism, especially during the cold war against communist influence only added fuel to the fire.
TL;DR Islam seems different because the conditions it's believers were in were and are so much different from that of the west, and because there was a stronger argument against a reformation. The problem is less so with the religion itself as all of the Abrahamic religions are inherently hateful, violent and backwards once you start reading past the loving fluff (and yes, the kuran does have the same kind of lovey-dovey hippie shit in there too)
>people making their own ammunition
>being this autistic
Yeah, that's definitely a safe and effective alternative. No literal backfiring here, I'm sure anyone can just make their own hommade ammo.
>why is self-defense not a legitimate purpose
If you need an AK-47 to defend yourself, you're a fucking drug lord and need to reevaluate your life choices. A pistol is fine
>hur dur I have to fumble through a safe
Is that really such a burden honeybun? If you're keeping a pistol for self-defense, you can keep a preloaded magazine outside of the gun, then keep the gun in a small safe in your nightstand with a four-digit code. It takes like ten-twenty seconds to do in a hurry. Any other gun can have a gun lock and be stored in a harder to access safe, but let's be real now, do you really NEED to be able to get out your rifle in seconds? Probably not.
Real life is not a fucking action movie. Stop pretending like it is and insisting that reasonable gun control is going to get you killed- it's not, and chances are, you'll never need to use a gun for self-defense.
>Missing the whole point numbnuts. If we had fucked off and left them alone, we would have no issue with attacks here.
Dude, do you not realize that they've been instigating wars since islam came about? The only time we ever starred having peace with them the fucking arab spring happened and they started killing us again.
>9/11 happened because "we left the Talib an in charge after the cold war" so one of our old allies felt the need to attack us for what fucking reason? We helped them and they repaid with death
>before 9/11 there was another attack on the WTC catried out by muslims
>before that a bunch of muslims attacked an Olympic game in the name of Allah, without being provoked
>they genocided the Armenians
>before that they still had regular slave trades
>before that they used to mass kill anyome who didn't believe in the god of Abraham
>before that they used to try and invade Europe at any chance
>before that, they caused the crusades to happen when they started killing everyone from Saudi Arabia to Constantinople who weren't muslims
>they also did the same to Spain when the moors invaded and caused the reconquista
>the muslims have been trying to kill us since they were founded
Go learn history. They can't coexist with anyone.they have been violent maniacs who haven't stopped.
You know what the only mistake the west makes when dealing with muslims? We act as if they are rational people and that there must have been something we did to trigger their hatred of us
>protip, there isn't
They've sworn to take over the world in the name of Islam and haven't stopped trying yet
Now quit supporting murderers who wouldn't blink while beheading you just because you're not one of them
Oh...yeah. Imagine if the guy in Orlando had a knife...there would have been 1-2 injured...maybe 1 dead...instead he used a semi-auto rifle with a 30 round magazine full of 5.56 armor-piercing ammunition. Get off your fucking "mah guns!" soapbox and compare our gun crime statistics to Australia's.
>I'm sure anyone can just make their own hommade ammo.
but there are people who can and have the means to manufacture and illegally sell ammunition.
do you honestly think the government can control ammunition for an entire country?
Welcome to America, /b/!
>Republicans are all obese gun-toting mongoloids who don't care about facts, hate everything they don't understand and think everyone deserves a killing machine regardless of training or psychological state.
>Democrats are all liberal fucktards voting for someone who left American soldiers and contractors to die, have no spine, blame white people for everything and generally suck dick.
Yeah prolly best to just head back to Denmark, matey.
Where...the FUCK...did you get theses stats? Did you make them up? Your own CDC in Atlanta lists 11,208 firearm deaths (homicides) for 2015 you dumb fuck. Don't try to invent numbers so as to justify your beliefs.
did you even read up on some of the points you mentioned? namely the olympic ones and the crusades, you are completely using that out of context. but i am going to play GTA V now because you are really dumb and i don't know why i'm wasting my time reading this bullshit, bye friend.
Honestly, even if tanks were made legal I doubt anything would happen for the same reason legally owned machine guns are pretty much never used in crime; they're extremely expensive, and people with the resources to buy them are generally pretty content with their life and don't feel the need to go out and do crazy shit
>If you need an AK-47 to defend yourself
I want the best, of course. Don't you?
>Is that really such a burden honeybun
Considering I know someone who died under that exact circumstance, yes.
> It takes like ten-twenty seconds to do in a hurry
When my life, my family's, or my home is on the line, I'm not wasting 10-20 seconds so some soccer mom can feel safe.
>do you really NEED to be able to get out your rifle in seconds?
Do I really NEED to waste time locking it away? Probably not. I'm extremely responsible with my firearms, btw. Just like the vast fucking majority of fellow gun owners.
>that reasonable gun control
There's no reasoning with you folks. You'll chip away until we have gun laws like Japan. The past 80 years of gun legislation has been a compromise that appeased only your side. So no. I don't trust your cause or your fake act of reasonableness.
>you'll never need to use a gun for self-defense
But I have. And he's dead. He had just turned 18. And he, to no satisfaction of my own, was black. How bout dem apples?
Okay, compare that to
>the Solomon Islands
>any other country or city that banned guns
Australia is the exception to the rule, and guess what?
>People can still own guns in Australia
So no, gun control isn't the answer you Muppet. Just because you found the exception to the rule does not mean the rule doesn't exist
In every nation that banned guns, violent crimes increases
In fact, the only thing Australia boasts is no mass shootings
>just wait until someone takes a bomb to a school
>then they'll ban pressure cookers I guess
>claims I don't know I'm talking about
>misses the point that islam attacks without provokation
>goes to play video games to avoid "harmful opinions"
Have fun moron, hope you never vote.
you're right i am a very stupid man, can you please go into depth about the Olympic attacks and the crusades? please share your great american knowledge with me as i have notl eft yet
so this happened a few hours ago
but nahh, lets still ban guns and leave people defenseless. thatll work for sure
>this story will not be on the news for months and will disappear in a couple of hours.
"Maybe I should have killed 4 or 5 hundred people, then I would have felt better like I really offered society something. If I wanted to kill somebody, I'd take this book and beat you to death with it and I wouldn't feel a thing, it would be just like walking to the drug store."
Hahaha you don't even know their gun control laws and you still use that argument.
I love how everyone on the gun control side fights with hearsay and narrative basedvtalking points/buzzwords instead of researched facts
>anyone can own a cat. a if they have a reason
>home defense is a reason
>Australia makes it hard for legal citizens to own guns
>Australia has no attachment to other countries that can bring in black market guns
>most guns used in US for crime are illegally obtained
If we have gun control we won't end up like Australia, we'll eND up like every other country that banned guns
>again the exception to the rule doesn't change the rule
>this story will not be on the news for months and will disappear in a couple of hours.
Probably because people arent retarded like you. So 1 guy in 50 active shooter scenarios gets taken down by a civilian, and that justifies the other thousands of innocent deaths?
Exactly, how often do you hear about someone going on a rampage in a tank? But what I really meant was making them fully legal, like say you could get a brand new Abrams A1 with a working 120mm cannon right off the assembly line if you had the cash
>So 1 guy in 50 active shooter scenarios gets taken down by a civilian, and that justifies the other thousands of innocent deaths?
can you elaborate your train of thought here?
>implying other developed nations don't already
But yeah it's totally impossible no ones ever done it before
>people will make their own ammo
And if anyone does manage to get an operation like that up and running, don't you think law enforcement would, you know, do something about it?
You cunts seem to forget that the 2nd amendment starts with the phrase "A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA". The second amendment compels to government to regulate arms, period. Stop banging on about muh gun rights because you aren't actually entitled to own just any weapon you want- the government has the power to regulate arms, get over it.
The wording of the 2nd amendment had slightly different meanings in the 1770's, but the word "militia" is perhaps the most misunderstood part. Militias were critical in the American victory over the British, and the founding fathers understood their value- especially considering that fears of another European invasion were well-founded. Militias were local organizations that stockpiled arms to defend their communities, and were required by law to provide training. Firearm ownership was not legally bound to this training, but effectively, anyone with a firearm when the second amendment was written received training on how to use and care for them.
Furthermore, the phrase "to keep and bear arms" had a different meaning. In the 1700's, "to keep and bear arms" carried the implication of military use, which included instruction of gun care, use, function, and custom. "To keep and bear arms" was a military function, and by assigning such responsibility to the aforementioned militias, the founding fathers were effectively legitimizing local militias as a means of local defense.
In case you're wondering what happened to these militias, they eventually evolved into what we call the National Guard today. Militias were subject to so much regulation that they were actually inducted into the military. How's that for regulation, you fucking asspies?
fucking wot son? any1 without criminal history or history of mental health issues can apply for a gun licence in Australia i had several firearms over .22 cal b4 i joined the military and no not a farmer.
Yeah seriously tons of people own ARs in .22, I wouldn't be surprised if they outnumber actual ones chambered in 5.56. I get the appeal though, the ergonomics are the same and they're cheap to shoot; good for practice and plinking if you can't afford to feed a real AR
>I know someone who died under that exact circumstance
How convenient for your argument that this exact situation happened
>But I have. And he's dead. He had just turned 18.
Today on Things That Never Happened: Anon pretends his life is a melodramatic action movie
Quit deluding yourself honey, the real world doesn't work that way. You aren't special just because you're "extremely responsible with your firearms". Really? Sooo extremely responsible that you don't need to "waste time" locking them up? God I hope you don't have fucking children.
I grew up in a house that owned guns, and I was taught from a very early age that they were not to be touched, ever. My dad would only let me see them when he showed me how to clean them or when he took my siblings and I shooting, and I'll admit, it was fun. I'm actually considering getting my own pistol right now, but I don't currently own a gun.
A truly responsible gun owner does not foam at the mouth at the mere suggestion that they should be locked up- because locking them up is the responsible thing to do. There are practical ways of storing guns that enables their quick use in an emergency. Furthermore, I wouldn't own a gun out of fear that someone is going to break into my home- I'd own it because of the security is provides if someone ever did.
You need to adjust your mindset. You are being totally irrational and you need to cut that shit out, because you are potentially a danger to yourself and others.
If you are going to mislead people with an info graphic that singles out only that specific model of gun, then you must also single out only that model of knife. That exact type of knife probably killed fewer than 100 people.
Either that or if you are going to use knives in general, you must also use guns in general. In this case the guns number is far higher than the knives number.
are you really that retarded?
so the OP point is still valid cause it took out all other firearms?
he obviously debunked the image and you are mentally disabled if you think that a governement shouldnt control rifles and shit somehow.
reminder: they couldnt even pass a law to restrict the sale to suspected terrorists/disturbed people because of corporation shekels, that's just sad at all levels
>they couldnt even pass a law to restrict the sale to suspected terrorists/disturbed people because of corporation shekels, that's just sad at all levels
you're so deeply cucked you actually want to expand the no fly list
Cept the law preventing sale to the mentally disturbed did pass, you uninformed twat. As for suspected terrorists, ask your hero obama why he ended all investigations into terrorist organizations and had the records destroyed so they couldn't be restarted in 2009.
>thanks for wasting my time
Oh, is someone buttmad that I saw directly through your incomprehensible shit? You are a liar- I bet you don't even own a gun you goddamn mongoloid.
Incomprehensible? I didn't use words with too many syllables, sweetie.
Keep calling me a liar, though. It will truly continue to hurt my feelings.
I'd agree they should be locked up while you're away from home, but if you're in the house and don't have kids, what's the harm in having a gun in a drawer on your nightstand or something? It's not like a burglar is going to rush past you and go grab your gun and if they already have you at gunpoint you're fucked anyway, they're either going to shoot you or force you to open your safe
>too many syllables
Oh dear, whatever shall I do to make this simple fuck understand what I mean?
Don't forget fam, you're a danger to yourself and others. Seek help. That pathological lying and apparent paranoia is not a good indicatior (I'll help you sound it out: "in-dik-8-or", which means "sign") for your mental health.
I wrote a long response only to have my pc freeze so I'll make this short
>doesn't understand how the Olympic attack at munich and the crusades were caused by Islam's want to own land
>wants Isreal (in the Munich example)
>kills off half the Christian world (middle east/north africa) before being stopped at Spain and byzantine by crusaders
>actually genocided multiple religions and cultures to the brink of, or in some cases fully, extinction
>crusaders try and take back Christian lands
>muslims cry about it years later
>white guilt makes people like you unable to be logical
>islam invades Buddhist land
>buddhists are the actual religion of peace
>dali lama insists that buddhists remain peaceful while the Chinese government kills and trues to control them
>dali lama still insists islam is too dangerous and must actually be met with force
>the fucking dali lama, leader of the most peaceful religion understands that islam is dangerous
>buddhists fight back against muslim invaders
>muslim invaders are a minority in the land
>some asshole cries islamaphobia, suggests buddhists are bad people
>no one realizes that buddhism takes a lot to piss off and force to bee in the position where force is needed
Obama is not my hero and I don't know what you're talking about, probably some conspiracy theory to feel better about yourself, I'm not sure that guy actively support terrorism, but you can believe it
Anyway, the real problem is that you already fucked up. I live in Italy and I'm perfectly fine in not owning firearms, I feel ok because even the tipical shitskinned robber doesn't carry
Should I go live in your land, things would go different.
But the assault-rifleing thing is just disturbed, the complete lack of patents and personality checks to own them, same.
First of all, is this supposed to be an argument in favor of keeping a weapon in your drawer? You're not really making a coherent point fam, try again.
Second, having a gun just chilling in your bedside stand could be dangerous if, say, your friends kids come to visit. It could also be dangerous because of how easy it is to up and pull on someone, say your spouse, in a moment of rage, say if you walked in on them cheating. The ease of access can reduce the amount of time from fought to action, and the goal here is to reduce impulsive action because it is generally bad. If you're taking out that pistol, you better have a good reason. Even taking a few seconds to type in a code is enough time to make you consider your actions and the consequences of them.
No, I think I and most people here understood you. So when I BFTO your points, of which you've retorted to only 2, you resorted to calling me a liar and irrational.
oooo, forgot paranoid is in the fold as well. Guess I'll lie my ass off and say I go through the day reasonably happy and lucid.
Matter of fact, I don't recall the last time I thought of anything nasty potentially happening till this little chat started. I'll be going to the range after work tomorrow and grinning my ass off.
Can I not be content without some faggot like you thinking its his business how I handle my firearms?
>crusaders try and take back Christian lands
Maybe in Spain.
Not the anon you're replying to btw. I do agree with most of your sentiments on Islam, but if you think the Crusades were anything but a giantic power play by the Papacy, you need to read more.
Obviously you should lock it up if kids are around, no argument there, and if you're the type of person who would fly into a fit of rage and start pointing guns at people then yeah, you shouldn't have easy access to a gun. Hell, you shouldn't be anywhere near guns, ever. Believe it or not, some people have some self control. I carry concealed pretty much everywhere I can legally, that's about as easily accessible as it gets, and I've been doing it for years. Have I been pissed off while carrying? Yeah, but I've never once thought pulling my gun out to resolve the situation