Is anyone on /b/ voting for these two people? I really want to try to under stand democratics and why they accept liars. Plus the democratics own the news agencies and spread their lies easily.
I'm from Mass. And Elizabeth Warren is renown for lying about being an American Indian.
Why would you choose them over Trump?
Trump panders to peoples fears to much. Its good to do that a little, but I am ALWAYS weary of people that rely on fear to get attention. That leads nowhere good.
The best decisions arent made when you are riddled with fear, its when you are above that shit and can think rationally. No i dont like Hillary, but i do prefer her
I am. No, I won't talk about why. I don't have the patience for you fucking retards right now.
Trump lies more than Hillary fyi. Get your facts straight.
>I really want to try to under stand democratics and why they accept liars.
they nominated trump though. THEE Elitist. He's been bribing politicians for decades - and admits it with pride.
pretty much the only person worse than Hillary. like nominating a Rothschild.
So i'll stick with Hillary. one of trump's surrogates today was saying, "Trump's lies aren't lies! he's just re-tuning his policies!".
Yeah, there's a lot of lefties upset about Hillary, just as there are a lot of right wing people upset about Donald.
And for good reason, I think. They're both reasonably terrible candidates for their party platforms.
Cnn NBC YAHOO MSN all support the Democratic Party.
Yes fox backs the republicans.
Trump wants to help America 'make america great again'
Hillary wants to make history and only cares about herself. 'I stand with her'
The best decisions are made when you have no emotions. I'd rather make serious choices when feeling fear rather then joy your brain works better. Usually the ones that fear survive.
They're both horrendous people that will fuck the country over. Why vote for the lesser of 2 evils? You can always vote libertarian and say at least you didn't vote for whoever ruins the country.
You know what you'll get with Hillary. Corruption, lying, crony capitalism. You don't know that about Trump. Be warned the first time Hillary is caught in a scandal. She has 40 years of scandals piled up.
>They're both horrendous people that will fuck the country over. Why vote for the lesser of 2 evils? You can always vote libertarian and say at least you didn't vote for whoever ruins the country.
>This. If a third party candidate gets enough votes, the party qualifies for matching federal funding for the next election.
>Hillary's raised nearly a billion dollars from Wall Street
>Trump has raised 0 dollars from Wall Street
I don't care how horrible of a guy Trump is, that alone makes him my choice
Dislike Democratic or Republican Party's candidate equally?
inb4: not saying he's gonna win if people decide to vote strategically, but it's better than voting for nobody... and if people learn about him, and that he's a viable option, I think enough people will vote for him to win.
You're putting too much faith in people. People are fucking retarded. You can convince a person but people are hopeless. It's almost certainly going to be a thin skinned billionaire asshole or lying she-bitch as president this year. I'd still vote for Johnson though.
Liberals and their war fear mongering. Considering the US has been at war for damn near its entire life, what would be different?
Listen cuckold, you can't convince your wife to be exclusive, what makes you think you're going to convince me?
Trump will win and all your hopes and dreams will die with Hillary.
We'll be laughing at you for 8 more years :)
Hillary's ahead in every poll. And she's ahead in every swing state.
People like you said McCain would win in 2008. Then Romney in 2012. Now it's trump lmoaaa
We'll be grabbing guns soon. Not in Hillary's 8 years. But maybe in Warren's 8 years, after Hillary :D
Conservatives and their war fear mongering. Considering the US has been at war for damn near its entire life, what would be different?
Listen cuckold, you can't convince your wife to be exclusive, what makes you think you're going to convince me?
Hillary will win and all your hopes and dreams will die with Trump.
I love how divide and conquer still completely conditions a first world country's populous in the 21st century... God it's fucking hilarious. A great time to be rich, if not the best.
Aww he's freaking out. What's the matter anon? Can't handle president Trump? I bet you've convinced yourself that she's gonna win but it's such a touchy topic for you because you know, in the back of that little library brain, that she won't.
Please cry some more.
>I love how divide and conquer still completely conditions a first world country's populous in the 21st century
Even when it's ridiculously obvious and either everyone is fucking stupid and doesn't see it, or see's it and just goes along with it because it feels like they're supposed to. I still can't believe people still choose sides and think either side actually gives a shit about them.
And Hillary has the endorsement of the Goldman Sachs bro at the helm when his buddies crashed the entire world's economy.
She's owned by Wall St., just like Obama.
Let me help you. You are looking for /pol/.
> I really want to try to under stand democratics and why they accept liars
Because republicans also elect liars, but they are more incompetent. Example, Benghazi.
>I'm from Mass.
I would blindly bet every penny I own that you are not from Mass. if that's the best dirt you have on her. Back to fox news, pleb.
>Why would you choose them over Trump?
Yeah, if you have to ask, you already drink the kool-aid.
See you in 4 years. Thanks for helping to elect Hillary for president by presenting Trump as a candidate. Republicans may never live down their reputations as morons at this point.
Disgusting that it actually happened. Fucking hate these liberal shits complaining about how everything offends them and that we as a country need to be nicer and accepting, yet pull this crap out of cowardice. America doesn't need a nice liar, it needs a hardened and stern honest-man.
I fucking hate Hillary as a person, but I agree more with her policies than Trump. The biggest reason I'm not voting for Trump is basically just because he's anti-vax and doesn't believe in climate change
If Wall St. wanted Trump they'd be lining up behind him.
Instead *everyone* on Wall St. is doing everything they can to *stop* Trump.
The Bilderbergers - the people who own the world, or like to believe they do - had two primary goals at their little confab this year: Stop Brexit, and stop Trump.
That tells anyone everything they need to know about the two candidates.
Fucking this, blows my mind.
I was a registered democrat for almost 8 years, and I am voting for Trump. I actually agree with him on a lot of his points, and the idea of Hillary winning makes me fucking hurl.
that image is perfect, I was a Bernie supporter until he got fucked over, now I'm on the Trump train hardcore. I've actually been converted to the point that I'd rather have Trump than Bernie.
The Shillary brigade has been here for a while now.
What's great about that is it helps people learn to recognize them - and that people aren't falling for their disinformation.
regardless of what you think about him, what he may be worth or whatever, look at his portfolio. I don't think the man's a genius, but he has work ethic and he made $1M into a massive holding of very very valuable real estate all over the world.
Hillary Clinton was in charge of Bimbo eruptions during Bill's presidency. She destroyed women
Arkancide. It happens everywhere the Clintons don't want something exposed.
It was suicide! Really!
There's no blood spatter because he was just a very neat person.
Why would anyone vote for Trumpler?
Thinks he knows more about ISIL than trained professional soldiers.
Why do conservatives vote for liars?
#1, because Hillary isn't Trump
#2, as a tribal member, no one gives a shit about Warren except white people. Non-native ppl claiming to have NDN ancestry are a dime a dozen. Everyone, Everyone,Everyone is a 1/32 or 1/64 Cherokee who's grandmother was a princess or shaman. It's not news and no one actually cares except conservative whites who are trying to bring a democrat down.
All politicians lie. This isnt news.
You just see your opponents' representative in a strictly negative light and think your own is jesus incarnate.
You dont know them personally. They just have to talk and please your ears. You dont have any tangible personal experience with a rep you adore to know they arent just talk.
Im not from your country and im a liberal, and I have an education in poli sci (what that means is i strongly value the right wing as a healthy democracy needs a strong opposition.) but ill say this for Trump. Hes definitely playing the crowd huge.
If you watch him talk politics anytime in the 80s ans 90s into the early 2000s, he fuckin nails the issues. He does know what hes talking about, he does understand whats wrong with america, and he had a very intelligent right wing perspective, but his current message is entirely wrong and complete pandering, and totally opposite of what he used to say.
If he wins one of two things will happen.
1) if hes talking this way because hes gone batshit crazy, youre in trouble.
2) if hes pandering and turns back to normal, trump voters are going to be sorely, terribly disappointed in his presidency, because he wont even touch 1% of the shit he has been spouting. He also wont be as much of a showman.
So she takes millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation from countries where female mutilation is normal, women are treated like animals, and they can be stoned to death. There is someone you want on your side.
Way I see it the 2016 election is a vote between a corrupt liar and a corrupt reactionary moron (in his encouragement of things like war crimes is why I call trump a moron)
I dont want ether of them as president but Hillary at-least would make the country worse in a way im used to dealing with
and as a bonus SJWs would have one less thing to bitch about
I listened to 3 of those 4 yesterday, flipping when comercials come on.
CNN and MSNBC talked about Istanbul, Trump and the Bengazi (sp) report.
FOX ONLY talked about Bengazi during the same time period.
Same thing today, 20 min of Hillary bashing on Greta van shitstain
This has actual data backing it up. Not bullshit rhetoric these dumb cunts spew out.
Lots of suspicious deaths, but trump does hurt people's feelings.....
I'm not voting for her. You may have to take responsibility for having 8 years to find someone better than Clinton to run and you managed to pick someone infinitely worse than her. Morons, most definitely.
What absolute bullshit.
The investigation isn't over - even though Obama and toadie AG Lynch are trying to protect Hillary.
She's gonna go down for exposing (and selling) US secrets.
6 months before the election is a long, long time.
nope, they found no wrongdoing
the guy who was in charge of the investigation said word for word "we have found no wrong doing on behalf of the obama administration or miss hillary clinton"
probably right... but if people would just band together and all vote for him, he probably have a chance, I mean, how many people don't really want Trump or Hillary? ...but I mean we'd need to convince the general public with the white lie that he's going to win for sure.
>He appeals to both Democrats and Republicans, many speculate all the people upset by the current election are going to vote for him.
>Why do conservatives vote for liars?
Implying there is an honest politician.
They're both god awful joke candidates but it does not matter who wins because if you still believe the presidency means anything you're an idiot.
It's like flying on autopilot, the autopilot being big business. It doesnt fucking matter who's sitting in the cockpit.
>inb4 tinfoil hat jokes
Holy shit it's unbelievable that billionaires get together to plan ways to get more money and influence the people the masses believe make the decisions right?
Anyone trying to have a discussion about a politically charged topic needs to understand *disinformation*.
Don't make the mistake of believing everyone is arguing sincerely. Many are paid to intentionally impede and prevent sincere discourse.
Read this: "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation"
Particularly relevant here is
>Rule 5: Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
Looks like Shillary's troops' insult for this night is calling Trump a liar.
How appropriate for someone who's admitted she will say anything to get what she wants.
Too bad Clinton's gonna get indicted, allowing a Trump victory. Not only have the retarded voters allowed an insanely corrupt criminal run for office, the Dems have jeopardized their chances by putting her as the nominee. Even if she wasn't indicted, Trump would use all those flaws she has against her and shred her a new asshole along with the fact that independents and Berniecrats will vote against her. If the indictment comes, she should either start packing and suspend her campaign or keep fighting a losing battle. Good job Dems, you really fucked yourself over by actually dividing the party and sucking corporate and status quo cock.
and they also said that she did nothing wrong
>protip: "no new wrongdoing" is the same as "no wrongdoing" when there was no old wrongdoing either. this is why she hasn't been charged
are you retarded or something?
please read the post i responded to and the conversation chain before replying next time, thank you
>protip: i wasn't actually saying the GOP lied
The way voting works in America, I'm doubting any third party candidate can win, with the electoral college, and the first-past-the-post voting.
You giant retard.
The 8th congressional hearing just happend. Most aggressive committe yet, with an 800 page report which found;
No evidence that puts Hillary Clinton at flaunt
That there was no way Benghazi could have had support in time.
Not to mention Chris Steve was warned about the dangerous situation in Benghazi. And was advised to not go. Just like every one of his smart colleagues that are alive today:
I fucking hate all of you. Pathetic losers debating over bad or worse. Get fucked.
I'll take your response for specific references (not your own claims of supposed events) with an empty ad hominem as prima facie evidence your claims are worthless.
But thanks for illustrating for people how shills work:
"Prove your assertion."
Learn to recognize this kind of obfuscation. The shills use it constantly.
Just sayain m80, grow a pair, your vote doesn't matter anyways might as well "throw it away"
I know but you have to be the change you want to see, if no 3rd party candidate is ever relevant no third party candidate can ever be elected.
I mean, her e-mails are published online. I'm assuming you have an internet connection. Here you go.
preview dot tinyurl dot com slash jjokgju
That's the previewed version, so it shows you exactly the hyperlink you will be going to before you click it, which is a Google Drive that I used tinyurl for, to bypass 4chan's url filters.
There's more on wikileaks. The only way you can possibly still believe that Hillary hasn't been caught in a conspiracy to subvert the Democratic primary is if you literally turn away from people presenting the evidence directly to you. Because it just happened. There it is. I can't make it any easier for you to have access to this information.
wikileaks dot org slash clinton-emails
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
- John Adams
Absolutely! Her participation in the deliberate weakening of American power and influence as a member of the obama administration has allowed our enemies to get stronger, tilting the balance of power to their favor. And you cheer those incompetent on.
Actually, the problem is that she's still a better candidate than Trump.
I care, I just would hire a blind man who used to fuck Donkeys in Tijuana for 5 dollars a pop over Trump
The problem is her supporters refuse to see what is staring them in the face. She lies first before telling the truth. It's her default. Expect to be deceived. It's what she does.
It's easy with 2 centuries of growth and perspective to see how things might be different now.
But at the time the Founders wrote our great documents, the idea that *any* of the people could govern themselves - rather than be ruled by a king - was an enormous leap.
>Liberty, once lost, is lost forever
>personally fought for an establishment of liberty
>some centuries later even more people got a hand in that when slavery was abolished
>Clinton gets indicted
This is what happens in my sloppy explosive wet dreams, but it won't happen in reality /b/ro. She's above the law. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not. Not that fag you were replying to but I'll probably vote for Jill Stein.
Because they're not trump. When voting for president, you really just need to pick the shiniest of the shits. Trump has no government experience whatsoever. He won't know what to do and will probably fuck America over more than Hillary would, if he doesn't just get bored after the first few months. I wanna wait until I get out of university and have enough money to move to another country before I vote for a meme candidate.
I like how they lost their shit when Brexit happened and now they are doing everything they can to show the rest of the world leaving the EU is a bad idea by trying to fuck the UK over with a quick parting of ways - before trade deals are hammered out.
He won't know what to do. If people with government experience can't even do the job right, how do you expect someone without any prior experience or training, much less Donald fucking Trump, to do better.
Kill yourself, libcuck.
Trump is a God, and libcucks like you need to be put down. Fucking die.
Its funny how people who hate Trump do nothing but resort to name-calling tactics. They honestly can't do any better.
The way to read Brexit is the oligarchy is an abusive pimp, and Britain is a battered woman trying to leave him.
Now that she's said she intends to leave him, he's going to beat the shit out of her to get his ho from thinking she's not his property.
It's important to remember that after the Declaration it took over a decade of outright war before the Treaty of Paris accepted what the Founders had declared.
Brexit will be no different.
And since the Bilderbergers have lost their first game (Brexit), they are going to do everything - no matter how vicious and violent - to make sure they don't lose their second (Trump).
>Taking hyperbole as literal fact
>And they say Trump supporters have low IQs
>Implying he will even listen to his political advisor vp, considering he fired his election advisor. He will probably get into a disagreement with the vp, try to fire him, fail, and just ignore him for the rest of his presidency. Trump likes doing things his own way. He doesn't like people telling him what to do, even if it's for his own good.
You.obviously have no goddamned.clue how SJWs work. If you think you are removing something for then to bitch about, they will continue to bitch about that thing and find three more things related to the original oppression.
And what exactly are you basing this on? His behavior during a debate where he purposely puts on a particular role to the masses for votes? Have you even looked into his behavior outside of big media events or are you basing everything on such a small sample of data about him
He inherited his money, and if he had simply deposited it with any regular investment agency, it would have grown to a sum larger than what he's done with it since. Accounting for inflation, by all measures he's wasted his inheritance, and kept what he's said by defaulting on loans and scamming the bankruptcy system multiple times. The U.S. government can't afford to go bankrupt. It has no father to inherit money from.
Trump's business profile makes him singularly unsuited for the role of government. He's excellent at getting free money and spending free money he didn't earn. He's not so excellent at planning economies, or running businesses. The most "business like" feature about Trump is that he once played the character of one, as an actor, in a television show.
I sometimes wonder if the man is suffering from a kind of mental illness, where he is unable to identify when he was walked off the stage. Perhaps some part of him still believes he's "on set" so to speak, and therefor qualified to play the role of a high stakes, entrepreneur with our country as his collateral. If possible, I'd prefer not to find out the hard way if that's the case.
If any of this qualifies as an "insult," please identify which particular sentences, and I will attempt to rewrite them.
Dude, that's a HELL of a contradiction in principles. One the one hand, she's pretending to give a fuck about murkin wimmin. In the other hand, she jumps in bed with one of the worst governments for the treatment of women in the world.
Can you say hypocrisy? How about lying cunt?
Sorry forgot the ? after "literal fact"
READ the sentence and even with a little bit of brain power even you should be able to tell it was a rhetorical question even without the punctuation.
>He inherited his money, and if he had simply deposited it with any regular investment agency, it would have grown to a sum larger than what he's done with it since
That is such a widespread and stupid misconception. Spoken like a person who doesn't understand finances and investment at all. Even if you were to simply use a compound interest calculator its so fucking obvious that he would make no where NEAR the same amount of money as he has now by just putting it into a stock portfolio. Do some actual brainwork instead of parroting the liberal media, you can't just magically turn 1 million into billions in a few decades from stock alone unless you are some freakish genius like warren buffet.
i called you retarded because what you said made no sense.
commenter one: "obama and the attorney general are lying to protect hillary"
me: "yeah and the GOP is too?"
it's called sarcasm you fucking autist
If you stole money from a drug dealer and gave to a charity, isn't that a "contradiction in principles"?
There is no doubt that at least some of TCF money went to charity. So, now what?
I both love amd hate the retardation of liberal butthurt
I don't understand what you're trying to imply. I understand that you think it's obvious, and that I have sub-par intelligence for not being able to understand what it is you're trying to imply.
Yes, Hillary is accepting millions in donations from various sources. I'm actually the one who posted the e-mails of her donor list for the 2016 year.
In addition to all this information, Trump's strategy for acquiring wealth is to default on his payments, and have the government cover the expenses. The president of the U.S. doesn't have that option, because there's nobody to default on. Trump's version of economic strategy doesn't apply to government situations, because the government doesn't have a rich dad to inherit from, or a government to file for bankruptcy on.
>Elizabeth Warren is renown for lying about being an American Indian.
What kind of a colossal dumb-ass cares about her ethnicity over her policy positions?
Unlike Hillary or Trump, Warren wants real regulation of Wall Street.That is what matters.
>Unlike Hillary or Trump, Warren wants real regulation of Wall Street.That is what matters.
They all want that, until they get paid. And that goes for both sides of the aisle and the Dumpster too
>no old wrongdoing
You fucking idiot, this is why they can get away with vague shit like "no new wrongdoing." She was guilty from day one, but they've been dragging this out until they could say everything was old news, let's move on, nothing new here.
Okay. Rewriting now.
I sometimes wonder if Trump, in all his experience as a television star, has made the mistake (and a rational one at that) of believing that because he knows how to play a stereotypical corporate executive with high caliber business acumen on the set of a television show, that this somehow qualifies him to take his policies into real world government, which despite the easy jokes that can be made, is quite a different experience from working on a television show.
Is this sufficient?
So you don't understand a question - and your response is to call the questioner a "retard" and "autist"?
Surely you don't qualify for getting paid minimum wage for this. Perhaps Shillary pays by the post?
I didn't imply that at all, that's exactly why he kept the real estate. It earns him money. Not only that though, the man has said numerous times that real estate is his life's passion. He enjoys building and real estate development, its not even about money... though the libtards like to make it about money, pretending like he could have made more money if he sold all his property and reinvested in stocks. Even if it were true, he doesn't want to do that because hes not a wallstreet elitist scumbag.
Have you listened to what comes out of his mouth? No media needed. The republicans fucked up this election by nominating Trump. The good news is Hillary is practically a republican, so you'll spend 8 years crying and moaning, but she'll pass pretty much everything you want like Bill did. So, buck up, /pol/ fag. You'll lose, but you'll win.
There's a difference between being proud of your work and the results of your efforts and being a wallstreet insider who feeds off the productive work of others. Wallstreet investors haven't done a productive thing in their life other than move money around from one place to another. Trump actually goes out there and creates jobs and structures. He's passionate about it and its worth some respect. What can you say you are passionate and successful at? Playing video games in your mom's basement? Lmfao.
That's definitely an improvement. Thanks.
That allows for the sincere response of why you believe that, and why just because you believe that about Trump it qualifies as anything other than a projective statement about yourself. You, and everyone, can speculate about what Trump might believe all they want - *but it's not evidence that Trump actually thinks any of it*.
Moving on to the next point, you attempt to draw a distinction between "working on a television show" and "real world government," but other than the implied "one is real, one is fake," which is a slightly higher-quality slur, it also ignores the sad truth that all present-day politicians are first and foremost media performers. The details of governance is always performed by the people behind the scenes.
One could have made the same criticism about Obama - what qualifies a "community organizer" for the highest office in the land (I watched him fast-tracked through Illinois and the Senate, where he did little but prepare himself for being run for President) - and also about Clinton - she fucked a President, so somehow his magic Pres-jism imparts to her the ability to govern?
But again, your response is certainly an improvement, and for that, thanks.
>Bankrupts all of Atlanta
Yeah alright dude, Trump is so powerful he made an entire city collapse, suuuure.
Also the show isn't about firing people, its about hiring the RIGHT person and managing the people you have. But you wouldn't understand that because you don't understand business lmfao.
He puts his name on his building. Big fucking deal. You make a piece of artwork, you sign your name on it. The type of people who think this is a bad thing probably have never created anything significant to put their name ON.
Big fucking deal, I wrote the wrong city. Doesn't change my point.
except he actually did bankrupt atlantic city by accepting construction work and then completely flaking and using loopholes in corporate bankrupting policies to get out of it.
> doesn't want to vote for liars
> voting for trump
Voting third party and drinking myself to sleep.
They "don't think so"... what exactly? She lied throughout the Benghazi ordeal. End of story. They sat on information, ignored security threats to protect a narrative, tried to cover their own asses by shifting the blame, and stonewalled investigations into the matter at every turn. But this was all known very early on, so of course there was no "new" evidence of wrongdoing found. Just the evidence we already knew about.
>She lied throughout the Benghazi ordeal
>They sat on information, ignored security threats to protect a narrative, tried to cover their own asses by shifting the blame, and stonewalled investigations into the matter at every turn.
the FBI, GOP, DOD, and attorney general all disagree with you.
sorry, but I believe multiple government agencies and a republican led committee over fox news and a trump tweet
He feels entitled to more than he is worth.
His wealth holds no intrinsic value, his actions do not make the world a better place. He builds golf courses and casinos.
Most importantly, his policy is shit.
You are blaming a CITY for going bankrupt because of a single citizen instead of blaming the politicians (and banks) who literally RUN the city. Just shows how extremely ignorant and biased you are.
I you know anything about Trump, you would not have got that wrong. another moron following the pied piper.
>his actions do not make the world a better place. He builds golf courses and casinos.
>Literally building places of entertainment and sport that give people fun things to do.
Got a real genius over here.
i'm blaming it on the event which caused it to go bankrupt
those politicians and banks hired Donald Trump to build those casinos, and then he scammed them, bankrupting the city. you could blame the politicians for being retarded enough to hire an idiot like donald trump, but that'd make you just as retarded since you want him to be president
Well thats just like, you're opinion man. Some people like casinos and golf courses, and it makes the world a better place for them. Maybe you are just a prick who wants the world to conform to your own personal tastes?
he told city planners he wouldn't use "junk loans" to build his casinos, and then he did, the loans defaulted, and then he used a loophole in corporate bankrupt policy, took the rest of the money, and ran.
I live in Massachusetts as well. I will be voting third party because I don't live in a swing state and don't like either of them. If I had to place money on who I thought would win the general election, I would place it on Hillary no problem.
And if I did live in a swing state, I would vote for Hillary over Trump. They are both corrupt. They are both liars. They are both heavily connected to the establishment. This whole thing is a bit of a sham because the Clintons and Trump are friends in real life. I hate them both.
Trump, should he be elected, will not get any of the more bombastic shit he is saying he wants done, done. Odds are he'll be blocked on everything because he's not favored by politicians, even within his own party. FWIW, Sanders would not have been able to get most of what he wanted to get done either, although I've been a fan of his since before he ran for president.
Hillary, on the other hand, has the politicking experience to work with politicians to gradually and tediously push out policy that will improve the country. She is more likely to work to support the necessary upgrades to the Northeast Corridor and train infrastructure around the United States. She might be able to get some healthcare reform passed, although that's a tall order for any president in the US. When dealing with foreign affairs, she can utilize the charisma of Bill to overcome the fact that she has little charisma herself. The man somehow rescued two women from North Korea. Bill is an underrated powerful force.
Honestly, the Republicans really wasted their opportunity to run Romney by having him face an incumbent Obama. Romney would have destroyed the other Republicans in the primaries this year, and would have had a decent shot at beating Hillary.