I don't care
The less I pay attention to shit happening around the world the happier I am.
This is what I think of every bombing/shooting. What a time to be alive, love it. Beats any Steam summer sale. It's a shame nothing happened so far during the Euro Cup.
>killing people for your religion
>who are from your religion
>during a time any kind of hostilities are banned religionally
I'd say it's got the same amount of connection to islam that homosexuality is connected to catholicism.
>inb4 catholic priests fucking kids
that's the point
it goes like this
one terrorist pasts security without weapon
yells a bomb will explode here
people tries to run outside
terrorists attack them from enterance with grenades and ak47s
MW3 showed a scene where they were in the basement somewhere before taking the elevator up. Honestly I don't think it's that realistic to have an airport designed like that, but idc it was an impactful mission.
It does not because WE are against the enemy, there are sides where you take your alliance, Just like in your virginity based life, Were you mom wants you outta the house, and you dont.
are you fucking retarded that was clear ISIS
kurds bomb only military or police
that really makes sense to you don't it?
From the perspective of much of the world, we're viewed negatively just like we view muslims. Why? because we're all ignorant shits, you included.
WE started using terrorism before any of our enemies were doing it to us. Hell, we got a lot of our 50 states through terrorism.
A worldwide gun ban?
Are you 12 fucking years old?
> Most naive statement ever seen on /b
Because they understood the importance of faith. France was a degenerate culture, still is and always will be.
You realize Sharia law doesn't actually exist, right? Muslim countries don't even agree on what constitutes as Sharia law. That's neither here nor there anyways.
The US is purposefully attacking civilian targets as well. Take Afghanistan for instance. They know damn well where the civilians are going to be, and the US bombs there anywhere. The Afghan government complains about that shit to the US, but the US government is to G to give a shit.
From one perspective, they're evil. From another perspective, we're evil.
A famous anecdote about Adolf Hitler's perspectives towards Islam and the Arabs is recounted by Albert Speer in his best-selling memoir, Inside the Third Reich. Speer reports that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs." The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Berbers and Arabs had won the Battle of Tours in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament." Speer then presents Hitler's claims on this subject:
Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."
Oh wait the country US was attacking was claiming the attacks were unfair and evil? Yeah what a trustworthy source. America has a LOT of faults but what would be the purpose of hitting civilian targets over military ones? The whole point of terrorism is you're fighting from underneath against a much more powerful enemy and HAVE to use those tactics to gain an advantage.
He also said openly to all the black of the US to come join the Germans. He didn't like blacks, but he was willing to use them. The man was evil, but he was cunning. He was willing to use his lesser enemies to defeat his larger enemies. So yeah he's gonna say nice things about Islam because they share a common enemy: the Jews. He just wants to keep the possibility of a future ally open. That doesn't mean he actually liked Muslims or the Islamic religion. Hitler was a ruthless demagogue. A man like that will say whatever he needs to say, and use whoever he needs to use.
this thread is full with angry roaches . watch your step . "crunch" o shit.....
>Given statistics proving islam is responsible for more deaths than any other religion
>BUT GOVERNMENTS DO IT TOO!!!
Like this is a logical defense for Islamic extremism. Regardless of how many people are killed in other manners, Islam is still at its core responsible for these attacks. I'd love to see someone actually defend the religion without comparing it to another one.
i never understood why people are so mad at killing for religion, but turn a blind eye when killing for the state
Its weird what people conjure up in their heads to make their version be ok
The US wasn't attacking the Afghan government. The US was attacking the Taliban. If you don't know much about US foreign policy or who it's working with, do you? Men in the US military acknowledge this fact that civilians are unnecessarily being killed bro.
I've already conceded that the attacks by the US aren't terrorism, purely based on the definition. That doesn't exactly make it right.
I'm not defending islamic extremism. I'm saying all of their hands are dirty. while people focus on them, they ignore what we do.
>Islam is still at its core responsible for these attacks
You realize terrorism isn't condoned by the religion, right? According to the Quran, killing innocent peeps is as if you killed all of mankind.
That's fucking bullshit, there's four well defined schools of Islamic jurisprudence (fiq) that pretty much constitute a body of law equivalent to Western statutory laws. And before there being four schools makes you think any one of them is moderate they are not, in practice they differ more on the reasonings behind sentences than on punishment of crimes. The Islamic Hsria is incompatible with Western democracy according to THEM, all Muslim countries signed the Cairo declaration in which they state so plainly and that human rights as defined by the UN are incompatible with their system. They basically did set up an alternate standard and ths is the reason they consider themselves to respect human rights when in reality Islam is the worst violator. From the perspective of just being a bsically decent human being Sharia is evil, to punish a rape victim for the crime, by stoning to death cannot be defended. "But not all Muslim countries do that" unoficially yes they do, and the reason it has to be unoficial in some countries is because they still have vestiges of secular Western law...
humanity is doing things like that since the beginnig of mankind we just search for another reason ..... this time its islam a few centurys ago it was in the name of christ or notlong ago it was form germany
all the same
it actually says quite the opposite
as much as people will try to tell you otherwise, there are lines that do condone violence towards non-believers
the Bible doesn't exactly preach love towards non-believers either, though
it instructs Christians not to greet them or to receive them in their house
but at least it doesnt say to kill them
Oh fuck off, that the retards have taken over is due to a flaw of democracy that Plato made sure to point out quite some time ago, yoiu need education for it to work, Western countries have largely failed on that respect... And yet even in that failure the West remains better than any other alternative, Have yopu seen the state of non Western countries bro?
>are traitors to be left unharmed
Now this is purely my understanding, so take it with a grain of salt. In today's environment such an act is unnecessary. Hundreds of years ago when the national and religious identity were one in the same, leaving the faith would be akin to treason. Both secularly and religioiusly.
That being said, I think most scholars believe that the proper penalty for apostasy is death, though there are many scholars who believe otherwise.
Islam is a fucking death cult and anyone defending it is either ignorant or deliberately dishonest. Islam was spread through violence and oppresion.
Education for the masses will never be sufficient, and as a result, democracy will never work. There are too many people. Maybe in a Greek city state thousands of years ago, sure, but not today.
>Have yopu seen the state of non Western countries bro?
Yes I have, and they're bringing that shit to the west thanks to democracy.
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (see below).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
ya but if those muzzies would not have had guns maybe they would not have been so mad as to explode.
There are a few there that have nothing to do with Islam, or are complete bullshit. Take Taqiyya for example. That shit has been refuted countless times. Stay in the dark broski.
You should read Quran and see by yourself what it says and don't pull the "you have to put it in the context" or "you have to interpret this, when he says behead the infidels it means kiss them softly and be nice to them " bullshit.
Plus how come all terrorist are from Islam ?
Just because Muslims commit honor killings doesn't mean it is a part of Islam. That shit was forbidden by Mohammad in the begining.
People confuse principles of Arab culture and principles of Islam all the time. Honor killings are entirely from Arab culture. I know quite a few Arabs on campus who can testify to this.
every fucking muslim gets upset and fucking explodes and you still want us to believe it is the lone wolves?
is lone wolf what you go for when you cant blame the white male?
They believe it today. It isn't like Muslim elites were only exposed to the European enlightenment last year, what have all those Imams whose job is to study and guide other scholars in turn been doing for the past 3 centuries? There's no excuse... Islam was barbaric for its era and deeply intolerant, the Maghrebi spent centuries raiding Europe for slaves, mfw it was their piracy that led to the creation of the US marine core. The Ottomans demanded children as tribute from their European Christian subjects. Then there's the assasins at Malamut, slavery in Africa, ethnic cleansing in the Middle East, have you ever wondered that nations as ancient as Egypt or Lebanon are now Arab? The Romans or the Macedonians were never as cruel...
"Few lone wolf"
There are so much of those "few" that they conquered a fucking country and are growing days by days.. open your fucking eyes, all Muslims aren't bad but there ARE a lot of people bad , not some "Lone wolf " retard
I was there earlier this year. Nice airport, it didn't need to be bombed
as a kebab %100 agree
naw m8 they bombed a public park recently, ppl from my uni died, this one is probably isis tho
also pkk regularly burns down schools because it teaches "evil turkish education" to kurds
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing..."
religion of peace my ass
no that is doing the world a service. think of it like EOD blowing up a bomb in a controlled explosion before bomb can walk into a airport or school or mall or gay bar and explode in there.
I definitely agree. Muslim countries are a lot of the times some of the most backwards ass place. While some of their laws might come from Islam, a lot do not. Like women not being allowed to drive. What kind of bullshit law is that? In Islam women are allowed to conduct business, have their own caravans and shit (Muhammads wife had just that), but in Saudi Arabia, they can't do shit.
But they still have mass shootings and others that are killed by guns. So how does banning guns prevent that when they still get them and use them. I know as a fact that in the US all the mass shootings were in places where you are not allowed poses a weapon. I also know that in countries that ban guns their over all murder rate never dropped.
but you did not get the memo...
ban guns and Muslims will stop spontaneously exploding... it is fucking science like when goat fucker Muhammad gave his 9yr old wife the vagina of a 30 yr old so it would not be rape
do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery
Its a two way road buddy. Go fuck yourself for thinking your religion is any better
Honor killings by Muslims have even been reported in the US, you mkust be deliberately avoiding the news... Female genital mutilation is actually quite common in some areas of the Arabian peninsula such as Yemen and in the Mahgreb, it isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Sub Saharan Africa and outside of that region it is limited to Islam, as for rape, if you don't think a system that punishes the victims much worse than the aggresors encourages it then you have widespread cases such as ISIS, Boko haram, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc. The common thread? they're all Muslim fundamentalists. And if you think the rest feel differently look at how Saudi Salafism spreads the same shameful practices, that most Muslims are not rapists is because they're decent human beings, not because of Islam.
It's found in some African tribes too broski, but that's besides the point.
Muslim countries who do it do it for who knows what reason have nothing to do with Islam. There are plenty of Muslim countries who don't like Afghanistan, because it's not culturally normal there.
The only circumcision permitted in Islam is the male variety, which some consider just as bad as female circumcision.
Yeah Christianity is just as retarded. No argument here. It's 2016. If you still believe in fairy tales, you're a nut job no matter which flavor of the invisible sky dad you happen to believe in.
I'm sorry but you cant just keep saying 'oh these Muslim countries do awful things, but for non-muslim reasons.' There is a direct correlation between Islam and brutal, ghastly practices.
difference is the bible is mans interpretation. it can have mistakes and it is up to debate.
the koran is the direct perfect word of Allah... by definition there cant be mistakes there cant be a debate
Honor killings is a cultural, not religious practice. Female genital mutilation is not found in all Muslim countries. Namely central Asian and countries further to the east. Don't know why it's practiced by Arabs and Africans, but it is not a principle in Islam.
Rape is punishable by death in Islam, and the societies punishing the victims have it all backwards.
Correlation does not imply causation. Just because a lot of these savage acts happen in places where there is Islam, does not mean Islam is the reason they happen.
That's disingenous, Muhamad was for stoning those accused of sexual indecency, the only difference in between that and honor killings is the later tries to resolve the issue within the family and without involving the community. Is it a lie that Muslims have stoned to death rape victims as young as 9? Right now there's a Dutch woman being detained in Qatar for the crime of getting raped, such laws are common in the Arabian peninsula. If your friends are from Egypt or Palestine then they grew up with secular laws which the populations of those countries are trying to replace with sharia. Pakistan? It's only the military that's keeping the country from devolving into talibans...
I understand, go read the passages before such quoted passage and see that it is a sin, according to THEM, if you transgress anyone that has not transgressed you. Other than that if you do commit said transgression unprovoked then you would commit a horrible sin
I'm not your pal, buddy
Correlation does not imply causation. To blame these acts on Islam, there have to be actual rules or laws defined by Islam to make these happen. Simply because we see Muslims doing it doesn't mean that it is because of Islam.
Come on.. let's stop his were the evil, but who cares well kill all those goat fucker thats how life works eat or be eaten.
I'm fully conscious of what we did and I accept it.
They had Saddam Hussein that kept everything together then we came and kill him to steal his country's resources and leaved a mess there then we flew back home. We bombed them so much for no reason. We even LIED openly about them having nuclear weapon xD
They have some terrorist bombing us but the country doesn't bomb us.
We bomb them, were the bad guy the end.
Muhammad was also for forgiving people accused of sexual indecency. It's not quite as black and white as you may think.
I've mentioned before, that is punishable by death to commit rape. The people who punish the victims have the principle backwards. The woman who was raped is not at fault. Any Islamic scholar will testify to that. Go to your local mosque and ask questions.
I didnt say to major in it, i said to educate yourself because you seem to only stay in your own country. Remain an idiot.
this is also the reason a muslim will spontaneously explode when they see a cartoon. you cant debate with some one who literally has the perfect word of god on their side... you will always be wrong. and if you are right... muzzie go boooom!!!!
Apart from when the acts are perpetrated by Muslims. But let's ignore than and stick with your confirmation bias. Or perhaps you'd like to appeal to purity with the argument of "no true Muslim would do these things"?
Theistic religion is not a force for good. It is a control mechanic for the uneducated masses.
i'm the guy who published the airport photo. nice try. have another photo
nope, fuck her. as in dump her. If you can't change her mind there's no point. It's a dead end and you know it. Good for you. (trying not to be a hater, just pointing out that certain things are hard to work around)
honestly this. the problem is that most muslims are so fucking dense like you cant argue with them because they arent western/modern enough. They still hold on to the old believes. This is why all the western people see muslims etc as scum.
>Correlation does not imply causation.
In this case it does. I'm not saying the middle east would be perfect without Islam but there wouldnt be people trying to bring about a holy war to cause the end of the earth. I imagine the women would be better off too.
I feel for the victims, but fuck Turkey. They've been supporting ISIS (buying their oil, letting them through the border) and using them as a proxy against Syria and the Kurds, so I can't help but laugh at the egg on their face now.
>I feel for the victims, but fuck Turkey. They've been supporting ISIS (buying their oil, letting them through the border) and using them as a proxy against Syria and the Kurds, so I can't help but laugh at the egg on their face now.
as a muslim, i share this mans view.
It's not a matter of the Scotsman fallacy. It's as simple as this, if it is taught in the Quran or in an authentic hadith, it is Islamic. If it is not from one of those two sources, then it has nothing to do with Islam. Simple as that.
Well my parents integrated perfectly fine into western society. We are a western family and they respect that i am an atheist now just like the rest of my family. Both studied @ uni in a western country and made something of their lives.
I have, more than once. Not only that, but I've read commentaries by Islamic scholars as well as learning about the context during the revelation of some of the more controversial verses.
That's good to hear. I retract what I said. A lot of Muslim immigrants who emigrated to UK in the 60s/70s HAVE adjusted very well, and their children are as british as anyone else. The migrants in the last few years though, not so much.
Revived democracy in the west and spread it to whatevee shit hole country you're from
Invented just about every modern piece of technology you have, including the device you're viewing this on
Liberated the majority of western Europe and stopped the soviets from totally raping Europe
We've also provided for nearly every country that was fighting the soviets after the war, and played a major role in Britain not beig crushed by the Germans
Also ended European imperialism by way of treaties, so chances are if you don't live in one of the major european countries, but your country was part of their empire before 1918, you can thank America
An accusation of rape requires 5 male witnesses all of whom must testify they saw the penis being introduced in the vagina. It takes twice as many women or Dhimis to make the acusation. This is Sharia law. Muhamad was a rapist himself who took a Jewish woman against her will when her husban's body was not yet cold (yes, no doubt some Muslim will argue as a prisoner of war she was willing) and took a wife whom he deflowered before her puberty (Aisha). This is the perfect model for Muslims, who was inspired by Allah to marry women even if they were relatives. All Muslim comunities entomb their women away from society to facilitate their abuse using "modesty" as a pretense, the Quran may not explicitly say to go forth and rape (except for infidel women ofc) but it's pretty much implied and even seen as charity and mercy. Honor killings are born as a result of this mentality, the Taliban are from central Asia are they not? Further East Islam hasn't yet completelly overriden the native cultures although generation by generation it continues to do so. Now Malaysians and Indonesians are pushing for Sharia, are they not? These acts are not unrelated to Islam, it isn't just correlation but causation can be clearly seen.
My family immigrated to the US in the 80s after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. We're a religious family, but we have integrated with US society without any issues. In fact, interactions with us has changed some people's perspectives on Muslims lol.
The shit that migrates out of Muslim countries now a days are a different breed entirely. Full of hate, and naturally hate begets more hate. That's not everyone though, but it is enough to obviously get noticed.
the moajority of the US is Christian and I bet that percentage is even higher amongst the military (no offense, soldiers)
religion, country, call them what you want, both are groups of people
I'm not condoning violence and I'm certainly not justifying terrorism against civilains, but they do have a valid reason to be upset
The West (Christianity) has been attacking them since the fall of Rome
The US has had troops in the middle east for over 30 years
they certainly see it as an "us and them" situation and we do too
oh yeah i also remember how you murdered and enslaved millions of fucking people oh haha but that doesnt count. Your history has blood as well so dont try to talk it right by telling others did wrong in the past
Yes and I cN tell you that everything said isn't true but saying Islam is a religion of peace is wrong,there are some nasty things in it. Told them to a Islamic teacher in my school and all he said was you have to interpret it wasn't the same time as now things were different then he told me to read Suna or some shit like that but I didn't .
A female accusing a guy for rape with no evidence being enough to throw that guy's whole future down the shitter is better, right?
Those rules were for a time where we didn't have any means to prove rape. Not everything in what people believe is Sharia is set in stone.
Also, him deflowering Aisha before puberty is a load of horse shit, and you probably already know that. The marriage was not consummated until after she hit puberty.
Just because Muslims abuse rules doesn't mean that is the what Islam condones. There were barebreasted women in Medina and Muhammad would tell his followers to lower their gaze. He didn't have the women whipped or stoned. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your comment. Get your facts straight.
No because according to them "she was very mature " and they didn't have sex until her 13 so it's good :)
Then they'll tell you oh no it's just some wrong interpretation she was actually 19 not 13 cause the 3 look like the 9 or some shit like that
Fortunately I live in a country without Mosques or Muslims, although the Saudis have been trying to convert our natives in violation of our laws... I aim to keep my country free of Muslim pressence. Tell me is it not true that Muhamad once scolded a woman for not lying to save her life? She was accused of adultery but was allowed to breast feed her cjhildren for some months before her execution, that was Muhamad's mercy, you see, you can argue what you want when others are ignorant but I've read several of your hadid and your despicable filthy holy book, seven centuries did my ancestors fight to rid their homeland of Muslim invaders yet you're trying to portray Islam as a victtim when it is clearly an aggresor.
navy blue. I was gonna go with a desert cammo type, but I figured I'd keep it classy.
In my experience, most people I come across don't view Muslims in a negative light, and the ones that do usually (though not always) consider things may not be as black and white as they once thought when they meet some real life Muslims.
i dont compare any good things because i admit that whatever the USA invented is good for the most part. however to be this much of a hypocrite and literally being mad at some other countries history while your own is tainted as well doesnt make fucking sense. Thats like calling something a nigger while being a nigger yourself
The Quran teaches to give no quarter or mercy to the infidel does it not? The verses that are abrogated are those that call for tolerance are they not? And even them only of "peoples of the book" are Buddhists any less human?
Fuck Islam. The middle east was so good before the koran. Astronomy, algebra, and other advances.
Since Islam, it's greatest export is terrorism and shit.
Anyone who does some research on what those verses are talking about will not come to whatever conclusion you are coming to. If you're referencing the verses I think you're talking about, they were revealed when the Muslims were at war with the Byzantines and it was specifically about the war with them. An Arab tribe under the protection of the Byzantines executed a Muslim messenger, and so the Muslims were going to go to war with them. The Byzantines as a result tried to intervene with a preemptive attack, so the Muslims had to go to war with them as well.
It is not a general rule for all non-Muslims. Any scholar or Imam will tell you the same.
No Sharia doesn't require forensic evidence. The point I'm trying to make is that a lot of what is considered Sharia is not set in stone. What has been in Sharia in the past is the best that they could do with what they had. Laws in Sharia have changed over the years. Especially during the Ottoman Empire with Sulaiman the Great. He's known in the Muslim world as The Law Giver.
That's what I'm getting at bro.
>In god's eyes Mohammed was the perfect man.
MFW There is no god. Islam is a farce.
Nobody has ever told me that they think Islam is evil to my face. Just because someone isnt blatant, doesn't mean you don't get a sense for how they feel about you. I've experienced my fair share, especially post 9/11.
An example would be a my friend's mother. She viewed Islam and Muslims negatively, and when I met her I could tell. Later on my friend told me how his mother (and him) used to view Muslims and how their perception has changed. Now among his friends, I'm one of his mother's favorites.
I agree whole heartedly. Those countries are some of the most backwards now a days. Muslims used to be on the forefront of progress and change, but now it's quite the opposite.
Oh fucking ignorant get, Muhamad died long before Muslims were in a position to threaten the Eastern Roman empire... Muhamad did send three mesengers to do idle threats to the Byzantines, Persians and Chinese but that was it, he did his final pilgrimage to Meccah not long after securing the larger part of Arabia which he never left as a Muslim (he did travel to damascus in his youth) you don't even fucking know your own history/religion but you're trying to correct my interpretation of Quranic Surahs... Didn't they brainwashed into learning the Quran by rote or are you one of those European Muslims that aspires to be an American nigger and listens to rap music?
Salafis wan to herd you people back into Muhamad's day and you're going along gladly and without oposition, That laws were perfected centuries ago is a poor argument... And I wrote "perfected" not to use the word "change" because this is something Muslims have never done to Sharia, will you abolish the death penalty any century soon?
Finding a 9 year old sexually attractive makes you a pedophile, even hephebophiles draw the line at 11-12... Honestly would you have sex with a girl that young? Would your father approve? How about your mother? I'm legit curious do all these decent, hard working Muslims genuinely believe if she bleeds she can breed?
Fair enough. I would argue that, there are good people inside and outside of religion, but the true religion guides people to be better than good, condones and advocates good, and forbids evil.
Honestly when it comes to morals we would probably agree on most things, I just happen to think the idea of God is improbable and I fail to see how that makes me somehow not as good or not as "better than good" as you put it
That's a myth, the Islamic golden age was built on the knowledge of manicheist Perisans, Nestorian christinas, Hellenes and Hebrews. The arabic numbers they stole from India. What the "golden age" was that peak period in which Muslims had not yet destroyed the cultures they conquered but were appropiating their advancements, they still were cruel and ruthlñess conquerors forcing Dhimitude and slavery on untold millions...