Former christian here, ya it is stupid to still be believing in religion. The bible says stuff like "four corners of the earth" even though we know the earth is round and not flat. That right there is what eventually made me into an agnostic.
>>692180774 What do billions of years know? Holy fuck. Here's what we do know: People don't live to 600 years old, even with the healthiest of diets and care. You couldn't build a ship out of wood large enough to hold 2 of every species on the planet plus the food and equipment needed to keep them alive for 40 days and nights. The people who wrote the Bible were more interested in good storytelling that fucking scientific or historical accuracy. Deal with it.
>>692181931 I mean if you're going to argue with science..it's been proven with the water canopy providing that rich of oxygen.. that age is possible. If you're going to argue science at least know the science of both sides.
>>692182743 God didn't build the ark, dumbass. He told Noah to build it.
Of course, that's the story, written by humans more than 1500 years ago. You seem to think stories written in ancient times are somehow more factual than observations recorded in modern times? If someone found a text written 1500 years ago that said stabbing yourself in the eye is good for your eyesight, you'd consider it more accurate that a medical journal written today that said the opposite? And you wonder why people consider those who literally interpret the Bible idiots?
>>692181543 Lol obvious troll. But in case of sincerity, we know how old the earth is via multiple testing processes. You can tell the rate that the stars are going and you can tell that they are all moving from a specific point (the theorized point of the Big Bang). Moving at their current speeds, they all would've been at that point around 13 billion years ago. We also have dating of carbon and other elements as well that confirm the age of each other. Also knowing how the fossilizing process works, that confirms the earth is definantly older than 6000 years. I'm an amatuer fossil hunter myself. Never before have I found an organism that was "out of place" on the geologic timescale. I go fossil hunting around Early Cretaceous limestone. And every organism that I found is known to have lived in the Early Creaceous. If everything was made within six days and the flood happened, then we would see all the different types of animals together. But we don't, we see them perfectly separated by rock layers.
>>692180475 It's just a figure of speech, dude. Remember it's been translated to Latin before it was even translated to English.
Trying to read it literally in English is just retarded. That doesn't mean there's not lot of good stuff in there.
You could write a beautifully elegant metaphor translate it just once or twice and it turns into an incoherent rambling mess. You have to look at it from the point of view of the people writing it originally, which is impossible to do if you're reading a translation's translation.
Separating wheat from the chaff, building your house on stone instead of sand, etc. etc. You might think it's talking about gardening and architecture, but there's a lot more to it than that. common figures of speech at that time no longer even exist now.
>>692185220 The parables of Jesus were intentional metaphors though. The creation story and the four corners of the earth were meant to be taken literally. The problem of figures of speech in the bible then means that everything in the bible is up to interpretation. I can then say that Jesus was not sinless or born to a virgin, because that's how I interpret it.
>>692186043 >The creation story and the four corners of the earth were meant to be taken literally.
Says who? Your southern baptist pastor? No, dude, his opinion is not the only one, and frankly, it seems clear it's an absurd approach to something that's been so heavily translated from another translation 400 years ago.
>up for interpretation
That's exactly the case, It is quite obviously up for interpretation, because that's exactly what you are doing when you say it is or is not to be taken literally. That's just your opinion of it, or his, for that matter.
But coming up with some absurd shit that doesn't follow logically just means you're imaginative, not right. A lot of shit is obvious. We still use a rectangular map to show a globular world, don't we? We still use East and West as absolutes even though it's only relative, and even they don't make sense in places close to the poles.
Honestly, dude, you have to think outside the box.
>>692186710 He's saying you have to look past the words to the meaning behind them. As in, you can't rely on a literal translation, when even the literal meaning, literally changes over the millennia and countless different cultural vantage points.
>>692186369 I used to be an edgy fucker like op but after being through some shit I found the church and no lie it made me feel at peace. I don't know how to explain it but I felt relaxed and well. I'm not the type to go every Sunday but man there's more to this than atheists like to admit, of that I'm sure.
>>692182743 I'll use as much proof as you did. >Now they dont live that long . And they never did >God fed the Israeli test for 40 years on mana from the sky, jesus fed 5000 on 5 loves and two fishes. No he didn't. >God made the universe No he didn't
>>692185220 >It's just a figure of speech, dude What about the unicorns and dragons?
You can't pull that NIV shit after a post like yours, because it was native Hebrew speakers that chose "monokeros" as the translation for their own word. Not to mention the dragon with seven heads and ten horns. I bet you'll say that's a metaphor, too.
How can you be so sure that the four corners of the earth, dragons, and unicorns aren't literal but the water-to-wine and feeding a thousand people with six fish is literal?
Why is the book even slightly unclear to begin with? Wasn't it commissioned by a perfect being? Did he fail to communicate the message properly? Did he fail to find an adequate scribe? If he failed at either of these things, he's not very omnipotent, is he? Nevermind the fact that the book says that GOD couldn't defeat that one army because they had iron chariots...
You mean to tell me that there's light everywhere that we can't see, that exists always and even constantly penetrates every part of our bodies with its energy, but we can't see, feel taste or sense it in any way? Must be a lunatic, right? Better send them to the insane asylum?!
*Written on a wireless tablet, from the middle of nowhere" - anon
Guys, there's a lot more than we don't know, than what we have ever known. And the more we learn the more we find that there is more to learn.
>>692187002 If someone today could pull twinkles (?) out of thin air, others would either verify it or debunk it. If someone wrote on their webpage that they just met a guy who can pull twinkles (?) out of thin air, it wouldn't take 1500 seconds for someone to call bs.
"The Vatican Bank, which has about $8 billion in assets, has often been at the center of scandal and corruption since it was founded in 1942. Pope Benedict began the process of cleaning the bank up, and Francis has continued that work."
>>692188000 Then they're sinners and should repent so they don't burn in hell rather safe then sorry for me considering its not that hard to just pray every once and a while and accept a man who lived a pretty loving life as my savior so if there is an after life I'm in the good one
>>692188418 You are not interpreting; you are asking for more information. What people who claim to "interpret" the Bible do is take a statement like "the car is red" and conclude that it means you should drive fast. The problem you are having is that the statement, "the car is red" is not subject to multiple, divergent interpretations.
You need to check yourself kid. You're not some telepathic symbiotic in the New World order. You have probably contributed nothing to the world's technological advance, so watch it. There's intelligence and good advice in the Bible for anyone in all walks of life, and that's a fact.
Don't presume to be a drunkard on the meme that Mankind is omnicient and omnipotent when you don't know shit, and Mankind knows a bit more.
As a matter of objective fact, the Bible has a lot to say that many people have never heard before, and it could help their life tremendously. Does it have to be the Bible or a specific verse? No, It's information, and it exists independently of the Book. It's the Word, and it exists everywhere even if you don't know it.
>>692178939 God is a metaphor for the ugliness of man's soul. If man were omnipotent, would he be a just god? No, he'd send plagues and floods and pestilence on the people who had wronged him. God is depicted as petty because man is petty. The modern version of the Hebrew God is Star Trek's Q. Omnipotent, answers to nobody, torments people as he pleases just because he can. And when Q gives Riker omnipotence, he becomes a faggot too, because power corrupts. God isn't an example of what to be. God is a warning against what not to be. Christians have merely twisted it to their own ends to manipulate the gullible.
tl;dr The Old Testament is Jewish satire on the ugliness of man.
>>692188153 >. It's all open to translation Why is this all-important message from an all-powerful god not perfectly clear? This is important.
I cannot, in good conscience, swear allegiance to a supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful being who is incapable of giving proper dictation or hiring a competent stenographer. Is God unaware that this message is unclear? Is God unable to clarify this message?
>>692181543 Trololol, how does one test what the bible says? According to my nutjob religious family, you ask good or a preacher what the fuck they think about it. Which means ask yourself or ask someone else who's bullshitting just as much as you are.
>>692189516 >Why is this all-important message from an all-powerful god not perfectly clear?
Because it was an oral tradition first and foremost. Are you lost to that basic fact? It was a big game of telephone for millennia until some smart guy somewhere decided to write that shit down, and several thousand years later we've lost all the oral traditions and only have these monolithic ancient texts to pull from.
Anyway, if you're going to be calling into question the "perfection" of God, then you need to ask yourself another question. Why would a perfect being create a universe at all?
>>692189054 You haven't done anything except make unsupported statements that you believe are conclusions. If your statement that "everything is subject to interpretation to an imaginative mind" was valid in any reasonable way, then, for example, we could not have contracts or agreements because everyone would have different "interpretations" of what "I promise to sell you 30 widgets at $30 each, to be delivered at your address by tomorrow" means. Unfortunately for you, words are not always subject to wild and imaginative interpretations; sometimes their meaning is plain.
>>692189803 No dude, you don't get it. The technology around you is more complicated than you can probably imagine, to leave such an absurdly immature post as your response. Honestly, dude, I'm being for real. You can't imagine the complexity of the machines you rely on daily. By extension, our bodies is orders of magnitude more complex and sophisticated.
Really, I can tell you, you can't imagine it without dwelling on the magnitude of the system. But I don't expect you to take my word for it. Many people die blind and deaf to God.
>>692189849 >if you're going to be calling into question the "perfection" of God, then you need to ask yourself another question Don't change the subject. Tell me why/how God allows this supposedly all-important message, the understanding and acceptance of which is the deciding factor between heven and eternal torture for me, to be patently unclear?
>>692189849 Exactly; we should treat the statements in the Bible exactly as if they are a bunch of stories that were orally passed from one person to another for generations before they were written down by some people and then interpreted and translated a several times over centuries, and never verified by any scientific method.
>>692189852 If you don't understand that people abuse the spirit of the law on the regular, while keeping the letter of the law, then you're not even trying here, dude.
People rationalize and weasel out of everything when there's incentive. The contract says 30 widgets at $30 each right? Well, $30 today might be more or less than yesterday, right? And widgets are not all created equal.
>>692190150 It's really not, and you're assuming a lot about others from your own lack of knowledge. Even if you have a mild interest in technology, it's easy to understand how various hardware and software come together to form the devices we use everyday. I repair electronics for a a living, so I can guarantee I know more than you just by reading your posts, and it's not at all as complicated as you assume. You're just a giant moron.
I don't even want to understand why people argue over this shit in the internet.
Everyone knows that bible is the oldest high fantasy book with pretty good tips on how to live. Anyone who claims that the bible is 100% true is daft and should not be argued with ever about this stuff or anything else.
How many fucking times do I have to tell you that you've obviously only been exposed to some half-ass dimwit protestant corruption of Christianity? Give me a break with the straw-man shit, bro. Nobody can know the mind of God.
Wake the fuck up. Or do you prefer to be told what to think?
>>692181931 You are way off. It was 7 pairs of clean animals and 2 pairs of the unclean. So that's 14 of every clean animal and 4 of every unclean. And it rained for 40 days and nights but they were on that boat waaay longer than that, faggot nigger.
>>692189190 >technology, which works and can be observed, is the same thing as Biblical magic because I, an autist, do not understand either but choose to believe in both equally Holy goddamn fuck. That is powerful stupid.
>>692190825 I see you are unable to process the question, or unable to admit that it creates a hole in your circular logic regarding this supposedly perfect being. You're just changing the subject again, your assertion that I've only been exposed to "some half-ass dimwit protestant corruption" has absolutely no bearing on the objective FACT that this document which is suppoesed to be the deliberately-sent WORD OF GOD is full of contradiction and vague maybe-it's-a-metaphor/parable/figure-of-speech.
An intelligent man is more able to verbally convey a concise idea than an idiot is. An all-powerful being should have no trouble presenting his message in a manner that will not be misconstrued. The existence of these various interpretations is inherently incongruous with the assertion that this message originated from an omnipotent and omniscient being, to say nothing of the fact that this situation has been allowed to continue for millenia without redaction/clarification.
>>692189516 Well, slow it down there bucko. First of all, the Old Testament is not the same book as the Bible. The Old Testament was written at a different time, by different people, in a different language, and most importantly it was commissioned by a different person.
The Old Testament (according to the Old Testament) was commissioned by a group of about 100 interstellar beings. The main characters in the book are Adonai, who is called The Lord, Hashem, who did a lot of the telepathy in the book, and Elohim who was kind of the negotiator between the different interstellar beings and humanity. If you read the book in Hebrew, you get the original names intact.
When the book was translated into Latin, a whole bunch of new material called the New Testament was tacked onto it. All the different gods in the Old Testament were censored, and called just "God" in an attempt to turn a polytheistic religion into a monotheistic religion that better suited the Bishop's plans for that generation.
So. Y'know. Why is the message unclear? Because some humans fucked with it to suit their own purposes. But the originators of the Old Testament weren't even gods either--they were very clearly stated as interstellar beings that were using humans as pieces in a cosmic game, each trying to gain the allegiance of various clans in an attempt to unite a single world order. And yeah, it really actually is still going on today. Mind you, I'm not saying there are interstellar beings doing this. Maybe there are maybe there aren't. Irrelevant. I'm just saying, that's what people believe, and they are, today, right now, bombing each other in Syria over this belief.
Do not use contemporary religions as evidence that there is no god, but perhaps let it convince you that if there is one, it sure as hell has nothing to do with any of those contemporary religions.
>>692192193 I don't think you get it at all, dude. You're arguing with a little strawman pastor in your mind, not even picking up what you're setting down. I don't really give a fuck if you want to be a hard head about it, though. I'm not here to try to talk to someone who's obviously not even engaging me, but has some absurd fixation on some specific religious bullshit that is completely isolated to Protestant denominations of Christianity.
Stay Heretical, dude, see if I give a fuck.
Let me break it down to you, you gross fool. I'm a religious scholar who has read more religious texts than you probably know even exist. And you're coming at me like I'm your hill-billy Southern Baptist preacher.
Wake up, fool. You're asking me to validate something I never said int he first place. Again, you are arguing with your own little strawman for whatever fucking reason, probably because you've got some bone to pick with whoever that was. Maybe your dad? mom? I don't know and I don't give a fuck, son. What I'm telling you is there's more than meets the eye and a lot more than what you know.
Reality does not exist and if you believe it does you can try and explain what it is if you like. My "reality" and that of a paranoid schizophrenia will not be parallel in terms of how we interpret the world around us. Even if our natural environments are the same we perceive what is real and what is not based on our own personal basis. A schizophrenics mind may believe it sees or hears things that are not real as evidenced by that the fact that it is a result of mental illness and not actually taking place. The way I see the world as opposed to a Muslim from Inca or a person from Communist China will differ based upon our culture and upbringing. So these schizophrenics believe there is this Man up in the sky...who sees, hears and knows all. (Paranoia if you ask me). And this man watches and judges their every action so they refrain from doing things they want to do as is their human nature(apparently a gift from this invisible, yet powerful man) lest they be thrown into a fiery pit of torment and suffering...so they shuck their devious desires, pray(or communicate/talk) to this Man for guidance and forgiveness and pay him hush money which coincidentally does wonders for the conscience. These crazies can be found on the streets holding picket signs telling the rest of us kooks that this Man indeed hates us as well as fags...telling us we are going to Hell I think they call it while trying their best to not seem hypocritical. Religion is far more psychological than spiritual... Sheesh.
>>692182743 >God fed the Israeli test for 40 years on mana from the sky, All the evidence says it was less than five.
>jesus fed 5000 on 5 loves and two fishes Jesus said to start passing the food around. But the story requires you to believe two things: one being that thousands of people spent at least a day traveling to see his sermon (which would require the same amount of traveling to get back) and brought absolutely no food, the other being that no one who came to see him was willing to share. When it boils down to it, the disciples started passing out what they had, so everyone who was already there started doing the same. The miracle of the sermon on the Mount is communism.
In most religions there are those known as the "deaf and blind" Not because of any physical problems with their sight or hearing, but because they are those that no matter how much help they get, they lack something that lets them see the deeper meanings to become closer to the nature of God.
The different religions have different names for them, but in essence, they are people who lack the spiritual mind to engage with the deeper elements of spirituality. They are, essentially, barbarian minded, and are "blind and deaf" to the will of God.
They can't be helped. They are the chaff to our wheat, and they build their spiritual bases on sand, and become enraged when they see people with spiritual foundations. Remember that well, for they are many.
>>692192842 >being this mad For the amount fo characters you typed, it sounds like you do give quite a bit of fucks >fool >son >dude >I am a religious scholar Yeah fuck off, nigger. Go troll your bullshit somewhere else.
>>692194043 It's pretty obvious that you aren't even thinking. You're just vomiting up your stale rhetoric that you probably heard from some random dumbfuck, and then you try to project that shit on me.
>>692194031 In fact you can, it's called a "hypothetical" and about 80 years ago a dude named Kurt Gödel proved that it's impossible to have any system sophisticated enough to perform arithmetic without out relying on at least some hypotheticals.
I can see from your logic that you've never studied a logic course in your life, because every logician knows that in order to be logical, you have to assume premises. If you never assume a single premise, you can "prove" to yourself that nothing exists, but you can't ever prove that something exists. You're one of those arm-chair critics that goes around saying 'X DOESN'T EXIST, X DOESN'T EXIST' but never once in your life actually made an effort to prove that 'y exists,' aren't you? The burden of proof is on the other guys' side, isn't it?
>>692194568 Doesn't matter. Try arguing in a court that the law you're being tried is not legitimate because it relies on nothing other than the law itself. Governments and nations exist solely on paper and imagination. Don't forget that.
>>692195393 Elohim considers themselves a plurality of singularities, which is a concept beyond non-spiritually inclined humans, who still see a single body and think "that's exactly 1.00 people before my eyes." But sure. You can let the third main character be Eloah if that helps your understanding of the material.
Consider the possibility that consciousness is not necessarily a quantifiable substance.
>>692196104 so... let me get this straight... since laws are valid even though they rely on nothing but their own text, then it is possible to validate a text using support only from the wording of the text itself. Which means...Spider-Man is as real as God and the 2nd Amendment.
Originally the handful of the chosen humans had exceptional genetics that allowed them a long life and spiritual insight. Since then, a lack of family and selective breeding has destroyed the original genetic line, and that's why people are dying of cancer in their 50's now even with medical care. With selective breeding of the best humans into homogeneous families aligned with higher truth, we could repair the damage before it's too late.
But you niggers would rather argue about bullshit.
>>692197610 I think society is to blame for that. People weren't meant to live like they do now. Becoming enamored to false idols and fake bullshit and losing sight of what's important, even when it's right in front of them. It's a shameful culture of decadence, hubris, and hedonism.
>>692196905 i thought that was a mistranslation resulting from the shift from lunar calendars to solar calendars. it should actually be 600 months (of the 28 day variety) which would actually be 46 years (\which would be rather old for actual people of that era of history)
>>692196575 That comparing laws to stories is retarded. Laws tell you what you can't do, and what the repercussions of doing them anyway are. Furthermore, laws are backed up with the physical authority to carry out those laws and any punishments. Stories, on the other hand, are simple narratives that may (or may not) try to offer morals and explanations, but have no authority in and of themselves. To suggest that they are comparable is to say that laws and fictions are interchangeable.
>>692184592 >>692184592 He's absolutely right though. We are all made of Energy at different states of excitement. This energy is everywhere. All around us even if you can't see it. That is an objective scientific fact, in addition to being classic religious dogma.
This is what I'm talking about m8, you have to open your mind, as well as your eyes, to see.
>>692198337 >To suggest that they are comparable is to say that laws and fictions are interchangeable.
Do you live in North Korea or something? Laws are not only changeable at will, but so are governments themselves. They are nothing without the support of people. A government and its laws, are nothing but constructs. Lifeless ideas. They require living will to carry any authority.
Many laws in one nation are absurd to another. It's all literally stories, and you are only compelled to believe them if you are a citizen of the country. Stand up. Look around the world.
>>692198670 And yet these "laws" are given by a being who claims to be the ultimate judge, making any terrestrial authority not granted false, and has had no contact with us in 1300 years, or 2000, or 6000, depending on who you listen to. Kinda hard to accept the authority of someone who can't even agree what that authority means.
>>692198840 >hurr 1970's edit by english speakers who just conveniently swap out a word that the hebrew themselves chose as the correct translation of a hebrew word It's unicorns, whether you like it or not. Your modern alteration (which is a sin, by the way) may say "oxen" but the bible that Jesus said was 100% accurate said unicorns.
>>692199407 Your problem is that somewhere along the line, maybe as a kid, someone told you the answers were easy and they were all literally in the one Book, right?
Well, the answers are never easy, and you have to find them yourself. I never even said that shit, and you again, and again, obsessively focus on the literal biblical translation, apparently completely unaware that that is something entirely isolated to protestants sub-denominations of Christianity. There are many other denominations and many other religions.
Wake up! It's a mystery that you have to be awake to begin solving.
>>692199407 No one actually reads/accepts the whole thing. Everyone just cherry-picks whatever parts support what they've decided that they want to believe. Me, I only like Leviticus 19:27, Ezekiel 26:20, and 2 Kings 2:23–24
>>692200168 Entropy is a law of physics, son. Wake up. Stop trying to be retarded. This is a grownup conversation. We're not talking about how many natty lites you can drink in one night here. These are important philosophical questions.
>>692200805 The second law is quite precise about where it applies, only in a closed system must the entropy count rise. The earth's not a closed system' it's powered by the sun, so fuck the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gun! That, in a nutshell, is what entropy's about, you're now down with a discount.
>>692201130 Entropy applies to the entire Universe and everything in it, as a law of physics. How far do you want to take your idea of a closed or open system?
The whole point of mentioning "closed system" is because you can bring orderly energy into a smaller system, to bring its individual order up, but talking on cosmic scales, you start getting into the idea of a God on the other side of the glass before too long.
>>692195081 damn thats some top notch fedora tiping you got going on here the burden of proof is on the theist though, like you say and any claims they make without evidence can be refuted without evidence
No, you're just one of the extreme majority of Christians who do not read their Bibles and make the rest of us look like fucking morons on the internet because they have zero idea what their religion entails.
>>692202696 You can't prove something doesn't exist, which was one of the reasons the FSM was created. No one can prove God doesn't exist, just like no one can prove the FSM isn't out there reaching his noodily appendage to you for your salvation. Just because someone else's made up shit is newer than yours doesn't make it any less valid.
>>692203666 >According to you, "the burden of proof is on the theists." Not just according to him. The burden of proof is on the claimant, that's a millenia-old established concept of logical proof. Furthermore, logical proofs can only be structured in the form of an affirmative, so "prove there is no god" is not even proper logic to begin with. You can either prove the existence of god or fail to prove the existence of god.
So the problem can only be approached from the affirmative, and the burden of proof is on the claimant. When one is claiming that god exists, and another is questioning or challenging this claim, the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the skeptic.
>>692204593 Okay. Got it. >The burden of proof is on the claimant, that's a millenia-old established concept of logical proof.
>>692194031 you can't legitimize text with a quote from its own text
The only way to rationalize this, is to accept that logic is hypothetical, or to treat logic as a religious dogma that is implicitly true because it is. Which is functionally identical to treating logic as a hypothetical, except answering in the negative whenever anybody specifically asks "so is logic just hypothetically true?"
>>692205594 So...hypothetically speaking... What if I were to follow a theoretical religion? Not a presuppoesed-to-be-true religion as currently exist, but one which might be plausible though we currently do not have a means to test and verify its veracity. A religion of postulates rather than laws.
God makes people from clay (even though he can just poof them into being so wtf) he "loves" the people more then anything like children. Hates sin knows they will eat sin apple, makes sin apple for then to eat tells them no. Gets pissed they ate it curses and punishes them forever and to burn in Hell. He loves them and punishes them for something he set up. Not only did he do that to them but is such a dick everyone is cursed like them. They did it not me wtf am I in trouble for? Years later instead of just saying I forgive you he makes himself a son but is him somehow too. But he doesn't get off easy has to he had the shit beat out of him. Died then force his father to let people in heaven. Makes sense to me .
>>692206097 You don't need to consign yourself to any one belief system. Since, all beliefs systems are inherently self referential, you can create a mental compendium of various, but perhaps mutually exclusive dogmas, and select them as necessary based on who you're speaking with. Not entirely different from knowing multiple languages that are specific to the regions from which they're spoken. Does knowing French make English wrong?
>>692206033 Hardly. The earth is a sphere. Have you, even for a moment, contemplated the sheer volume of water that would have to be added to the earth to submerge every land-mass up to the top of Everest?
The OT flood is, at best, an exaggeration of an actual flood of all of the *known* world (as in "known to the people who passed down this myth in the middle east). If the actual truth of the matter is a flood that only covered one out of seven continents and did not kill anyone in africa, asia, or the americas (both north and south could plausibly have been occupied at the time via the well-known theory of the alaskan land-bridge and the slightly less well-known theory of land/ice-bridges connecting the southern tips of Africa and South America to Antarctica) that would effectively disprove the actual text of the old testament that god wiped out all humanity except this one guy's family. That would do more harm to the bible's credibility than help.
>>692187063 so you're saying it's impossible that it's all in your head? Maybe you wanted to feel at peace and it gave you the crutch? Or perhaps the people around you keeping you in that biblical bubble made you feel warm and fuzzy?
>>692206533 >>692206533 This is a very Taoist thought. For the Tao that did not include Christianity would not be the true Tao. The Tao that did not include Buddhism would not be the true Tao. The Tao that did not include atheism would not be the true Tao, for the Tao is the absolute total of all things.
>>692198439 >>692200492 No really i'd love to hear about how DNA decays. Are you talking about mitochondrial DNA or all cellular DNA? Because the instability of the double-helix arrangement is it's strength, allowing for mutations that become adaptations when selected for. So yeah, decaying DNA, let's hear it.
>>692207284 That's why Taoism is so unthreatening and culturally kind of stifling. This Christianity/Islam thing is a distraction from State intrusions into privacy, the real conflict in the future will be between undemocratic Confucian societies on the rise and decadent Christian ones in decline. Islam is gonna feel kind of left out, which is where Islam came from, the Middle East not having it's own Messiah and a real lack of relevance.
>>692180475 Same here. I used to be a Christian until I read the Bible front to back and realized how completely retarded it was. The peace and love Jesus shit sounds well and good out of context until you read ALL of it
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