I think the craziest thing about Brexit from an American point of view is that they got to vote on that kind of decision.. I don't think we would ever get the opportunity here in the states
We shouldn't have let the general public vote, it gives the stupid majority the chance to make a big decision.
Now all we gotta do is stop giving out benefits and let the gypsies, muslims and other scum either die off or turn into something useful.
>>691355735
That's a very undemocratic suggestion, what are you? Some fascist faggot? Or do you only believe in democracy when it supports your opinion? Wanker.
>>691355445
to get out of the UE? Nope i think we will never vote about that. I blame obama
>>691355445
Honestly I am not into democracy for this very reason, the importance and intricate details of such decisions are not properly understood by the general public, by my own standards I would only let economists vote on such a thing, which would even exclude myself.
>>691355445
Are you retarded? They're an economic union only loosely modeled after US federalism. The EU isn't a country. The differences between the union that is the US and the union that is the EU are so vast that you may as well call ASEAN or NAFTA members a single unified country if you're going to go that far.
Britain did this because they expect other members to follow. Doing it alone gets them no net benefit as many commentators have pointed out. The cost on non-membership is largely the same as the cost of membership. However, what if others leave? All of a sudden they are ahead of the trend and save more compared to membership. It's a gamble, but they don't really lose all that much for being wrong.
>>691355935
The US would never allow TX to have a vote on if it wanted to secede the union, for example.
>>691355735
>Democracy only works when it aligns with my libtard viewpoint
>>691355735
Do you even democracy?
>>691355735
It's this kind of bullshit that encouraged people to vote leave.
You're welcome to fuck off to the EU if you want.
>>691355886
The jokes on you, I don't agree with democracy at all, let the intelligent people do what they know how to do. See >>691355968
>>691355445
We didn't need to vote, it wasn't something that had to happen. Cameron used it as a campaign strategy that ended up fucking him in the ass.
>>691356111
The Texas really wanted to leave the union it would leave. If Washington said no then I imagine they would happily take up arms.
>>691355445
That's why you Amerifags are such backwards pussies. You don't realize how much your libtards have cucked you. You lost your balls years ago. Your economy is in the shitter. You have fags and niggers and whateversexdujour running you now and telling you what to do you fucking cucks!
Your so fucking dumb that you're going to vote your banking industry SHillary into office. Yeah, vote a woman in who is a slave to the jew masters! You fucking cucks!
>>691356315
Pretty much this. Cameron and the EU dared us to leave thinking we wouldn't, we did and how they dont have a clue what to do.
>>691355968
You're not as stupid as they want you to think, also it's not only about economy in this case
>>691355445
They're the fucking spice girls faggot
>>691355445
Well in the EU there's no general election for 'president of the EU' so it's not really comparable.
We just get stuck with these bureaucratic red tape wielding shitheads if we like it or not.
>>691356111
The confederate states did vote, and thus they seceded. The Union said "fuck that shit" and forced them back.
For territories of states it's more formalized, the state legislature has to allow the referendum first (aka "yea fucking right, like we'll allow that") and then the popular vote is taken. Regardless, the point is that there absolutely exists both precedent and bureaucratic mechanisms for this shit.
>>691356322
That's easy to say, but you'd have to remember that the States would have to have let it get that way to begin with.
>>691356315
>>691355445
Your libtard masses would make it a no contest anyway, thankfully we had just enough people who weren't kebab, faggots and niggers to carry the vote.
>>691356322
>Implying they don't want to
Yeah have you even listened to Cruze before the trail? Or any TX lawmaker for that matter?
They can't, because they know the US right next door would fuck them from all sides.
>>691356657
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36626553
>>691356752
And now we can turn the fuckers back around and send them back to France without quotas or any of the Human Rights Act bullshit.
We can also deny them ANY kind of healthcare and social welfare without them appealing to a court thousands of miles away.
>>691355445
EU = Ginger spice
>>691356469
I'm not stupid at all. Only my beliefs on the matter, I have my expertise, I hear other uninformed opinions all the time in my field and they are very clear to me, not to them. The same rules apply.
The fact is you can't have expert opinions on everything, and when it comes down to effecting the lives of billions, you need expert opinions. It's more likely that you are not as intelligent as you and those around you think. Not to be insulting, only you are more fallible than an expert.
>>691355968
>I would only let economists vote on such a thing
Really? You know why Harry Truman called for a one-handed economist, right?
>>691357013
We have sjw here..a migrant camp will spring up, people will campaign for them to be housed.
>>691355735
Like president you mean...
>>691355445
> South Carolina leaves USA from slavery issue.
> Southern states leave country because their state rights were violated.
> USA fought itself when people threatened to secede from the Union.
I'm sure you forgot about that.
>>691357135
>I'm not stupid at all.
>effecting the lives of billions
>effecting
>I'm not stupid at all
Partly right at best
>It's more likely that you are not as intelligent as you and those around you think. Not to be insulting, only you are more fallible than an expert.
Nope, now confirmed incorrect.
>>691357176
"On the one hand, this" and "On the other hand, that"
I'm not saying they are perfect, I'm saying they are better on average then the general public. Let's not take things out of proportion.
>>691355445
It would be great to see you guys try out a system that uses more than two parties, imagine!
>>691355445
>But land of the free!!!1!!1!!
Idgaf, sold all my $14,000 in Apple stocks anyway
>>691357241
Let the liberal fuckers campaign. They lost the General Election, they lost this vote and once we cut the cancerous Scots out we'll have a solid right wing majority while the likes of Merkel keep importing as much kebab as possible to 'enrich' them.
>>691357465
Muh spelling errors.
You must get laid a lot.
>>691355735
That's the point of vetos.
>>691357473
Precisely. They'd never decide. And they were so good at predicting the effect of us leaving the ERM. And of the 2008 crash.
>>691355445
You know it's not legally binding though right? It's a glorified opinion poll, there's no obligation for anyone in power to follow it.
>>691355445
You guys never had a referendum OP?
We've had three since the North Sea Empire of Cnut the Great. (yeah that's a thing)
>>691357672
It would be a vote, they would decide when the vote is cast... Obviously.
Again, not saying they are incapable of mistake, only less likely then those who haven't spent a large portion of their life in that field. Did you know a lot of plumbers that called the 2008 crash? Doubt it.
>>691357572
>>691357572
Somehow allowing for millions of migrants that have a belief that is asymmetric to your own would lead to civil war rather than assimilation.
>>691357584
No, your general lack of comprehension, your idiotic last sentence, your attitude of self-importance and your poor attempt at deflection.
Now do fuck off, there's a good chap
>>691355445
The niggers and spics would just skew it to suit them anyway. Just like SHillary.
>>691357943
>Did you know a lot of plumbers that called the 2008 crash? Doubt it.
Would I use a plumber who was as good as the economists were at predicting the crash to fix a leak? Doubt it.
>>691355445
>I think the craziest thing about Brexit from an American point of view is that they got to vote on that kind of decision.. I don't think we would ever get the opportunity here in the states
Well we wouldn't hand our sovereignty over to some other organization like the EU in the first place.
Although if the elite in society thought it would be profitable to push for some one world government bullshit then I could see them trying to vote on it; but as it stands it would require a constitutional amendment for us to join such an organization which would require a 2/3rds majority popular vote by the people as well as approval by congress and the senate (learn the constitution and Bill of Rights, you don't know what rights you're losing if you don't know what rights you have).
So we would at the very least have to have a vote on it in order to join something like the EU.
What's more extraordinary is that the Brits got a chance to repeal an existing relationship like this, which is something the elites can more easily suppress since they already got the British people's consent for their current status quo back in the 70s.
As I understand it there was enough public demand for a referendum that PM Cameron felt compelled to give them a vote and did so in a manner and at a time that he was confident would give his side (remain in the EU) victory and silence the opposition. His plan backfired magnificently and as a result he has resigned.
>>691357985
>Attitude of self importance
>There's a good chap
Alright Cameron, I know you're upset about everyone thinking you are a fuck up, and you are, but try to hold that pretentious anger in a bit alright?
>>691357983
Civil war implies they are our people. They aren't, they've made that abundantly clear.
>>691357881
This^
Everyone should shut up
>>691355735
>>691355968
Yeah, because economists saw the 2008 crash. Fuck off you moron. There are no economic experts. It's all a fucking game to them
>>691357135
In this case you dont need any real expertise to know it wouldve gone to shit anyway, all the people that thought the pound would loose all its value panicked and actually made it happen themselves
On the other hand i think a lot of people would rather have an economic crisis than staying under brussels almighty rule for another year
>>691358064
So how does it feel to be the minority now?
>>691358243
That's what I've been saying... Let plumbers fix leaks and let economist make economic decisions. Did I lose you somewhere?
>>691357985
your, your, your. What a fucking word smith, did Hemingway write this sentence?
>>691358258
Pretty much nailed it.
Cameron campaigned for election on the promise of a referendum under then impression it'd be pretty much a no contest, that he'd win a good amount of concessions during his renegotiation and that his own party would support his view.
It all fucked up when pretty much none of that occured, most of his own party voters (and some MPs, including Boris Johnson, who is a big player) moved to Leave.
>>691357881
>You know it's not legally binding though right? It's a glorified opinion poll, there's no obligation for anyone in power to follow it.
>Hey, I've got an idea let's give the people a referendum, tell them its meaningful and then ignore them if we don't get our way.
That's a great way to start a riot and ensure that you'll lose your job in the next election.
If they willfully ignore a public mandate, it would be the death of the Conservatives and Labour and they'd watch themselves lose nearly all their seats to UKIP and usher in PM Farrage
>>691355445
http://bit.
ly/25xOEE4
>>691358258
Good lord, and educated Yanky faggot!
Well done sir, a pleasure reading your correct post.
>>691358449
In general you view is correct, however economists like politics shares many diverse views on how to run the economy as seen by the major parties. Honestly, the best way to run the economy is that of the "invisible hand" rather than Keynes and his Ivory Tower sort of view thinking that a central planning authority can dispel the boom and bust which is surely to happen to all economies regardless of how long the cyclic environment is.
Anyone else worried about the price of tendies rising ?
>>691359051
Pretty much the UK's reaction when they discovered the EU were just a bunch of faggots.
>>691358407
Economists have no accountability which is why academics cant be allowed to run things exclusively. If there was an economist per state and if your state failed you and your family were raped and killed in the public square, maybe. The issue isnt that only academics can handle the complexity of the global economic system, its that it was made specifically as complex as it is to benefit the few with resources to participate and the training to understand it. We dont need the markets to be what they are, that was invented by bankers for bankers to skim money in every way possible.
>>691358258
Perfect storm really.
>Many feel EU threatened sovereignty
>Greece and the Euro currency issues
>Mass migration with no end/solution in sight
>Very few concessions from negotiations
>Remain campaigned fucking terribly
>Leave campaigned charismatically
>Many viewed Remain arguments from outsiders like Tusk and Obama as veiled threats
>Very high turnout of the 60+ vote, the core Leave group.
>>691355968
The thing is though market growth is all economists would consider, and that isn't necessarily all that is important.
"If you would trade liberty for security you will deserve neither and lose both" or something like that. It was clear that brexit would not be financially beneficial, but it has otehr benefits, but econmists would not weigh these the same as otehr might.
>>691357572
Tell me about Bane, I need to know.
>>691358258
>>691359416
>Many viewed Remain arguments from outsiders like Tusk and Obama as veiled threats
Yeah, as an American I was pissed at Obama for mouthing off on that. Its none of our fucking business and we shouldn't be meddling in your politics any more than you should be meddling in ours.
The point at which George Soros said you should stay in the EU was the point at which I started thinking you should leave.
>>691355968
Most of these kinds of decisions no one really knows what the best answer might actually be, but doing what is the will of the general population will help the country regardless. The strongest influence on an economy is faith and public perception.
>>691359730
It really did give Leave just the kind of ammunition it needed for the whole 'interference' argument, Obama fucked up.
>>691360189
>>691360237
>>691360288
More like this, I'm posting them on Facebook to bait faggots
>>691360047
Its typical of Obama, he's sufficiently arrogant that he thinks the whole world is in constant need of his opinion on everything.
We saw a very similar thing happen here when British politicians started badmouthing Trump and the common reaction wasn't 'Oh, I should listen to these foreign politician's informed opinion' it was 'Who do you foreign bastards think you are telling us what to do?'. If I were English, I'd imagine I'd have felt the same about Obama's opinion on Brexit.
>>691359730
Just remember that when everyone tells you that you shouldn't vote for Trump.
>people angry that the majority won fair and square and they now have to make decisions for themselves
You know, as an Amerifat, I really am sorry we formed NATO and tried to keep the soviets at bay back in the cold war. We really should have just let them go as far west as they wanted.
You would have really loved being in the Soviet Bloc. All your decisions would be made for you by someone in a foreign country and if people wanted to leave, they didn't get a referendum, they got MILITARY INTERVENTION.
Also, by that note, we probably also should have let Hitler annex most of Europe since the thing you want is total lack of choice.
As much as I hate cuck now that wannabe cooltards on /b/ have run an already shitty word into the ground, but you guys really do want to be completely dominated. Jeez man. I earnestly pity you.
>>691360754
as if trump could negotiate his way out of a paperbag.
>>691360713
yeah, for any of our politician's to slag off trump is really stupid diplomatically given his potential to be the next president.
I'm really suprised Brexit went through though, given how much the estblishment wanted for us to remain we actually managed to have a population that ignored them.
I'm impressed with that.
>>691360713
That was pretty much the reaction.
When the Leave campaign was essentially based on eliminating foreign interference to have the American president offer the kind of 'back of the queue' bullshit opinion nobody asked for it just proved their point.
>>691359416
oh and France overtook the UK as the bigger economy. How do you feel about that, britfags?
>>691360754
I'm not a fan of Trump (Rand Paul was my candidate) and at this point I'd definitely prefer Gary Johnson.
But Hillary is corrupt establishment filth owned by the banking industry (pic related) and I can't think of an American politician I trust less.
If the election is close between Trump and Hillary in the fall I'll vote for Trump, even if I do think he's kind of an idiot.
>>691361408
Feel just fine, France are next in line to get out of Europe, same thing will happen to their economy when they do.
Get off your high horse retard.
>>691355735
yeah, let's not let people vote on their own fate
FASCIST CUNT
democracy speaks
>>691361146
enjoy your diminished status in the world. the rest of the eu is like, "don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out." buh-bye!
>>691355789
>soylent green is gyppos
>>691360869
>bla bla bla bla
>I'm a butfucked white trash surf to Jewish bankers but it's ok because I got mu' freedoms
>>691361408
For now, it's been one fucking day and instability in the pound was expected in the short term. So I'm fine with it.
They also have even more immigrants than us, more terror attacks and Eastern Europe to prop up financially.
>>691361609
crack open a book little lord fauntleroy. the uk has been sitting outside the class room like a petualnt child for the last twenty years. fuck you if you want to suck yankee cock instead.
also, lol, scotland and ireland are leaving you. un-united kingdom!
>>691361722
Of course it is, that's why they campaigned tirelessly for them to stay in and are now chairing emergency meetings to decide what the fuck to do.
>>691361884
inb4 the tube bombing
inb4 ireland bombing the shit out of london for thirty years
what are you going to do about all those trade agreements? you know, the ones that means that your goods reach other markets without tariffs that you are guaranteed thru the eu? negotiate your own? don't make me rofl.
i assure you, the british are the niggers of europe. we hate you. fuck off. the only ones sorry about brexit are the brits. you're like our own european texas, but with out the fucking awesome barbecue.
and we're welcoming scotland and ireland with open arms, because they're not cunts.
>>691357473
And they are also much more corrupt
>>691355445
500 Million Europeans are terrified because 1 Million Moslems have arrived.
The Arabs are pissing themselves at how timid you guys are.
If a destitute Moslem with no skills, let alone language, can take your job, you have to ask if it's worth having.
>>691357500
Why are you so mad anon?
>>691362006
Ireland is already a separate nation you dumb faggot. Northern Ireland is a much more complex region than just the EU, no change of reunification based on this vote alone.
Scotland have wanted out for ages anyway, and good fucking riddance seeing as they're currently in receipt of tens of millions from England to keep them solvent as their main export is oil which isn't worth shit these days. They can also take the shitskins directly from France and join the unstable Euro as we sure as fuck won't let them keep the pound.
>>691361722
>5th largest economy in the world
>5th best army
>1st largest financial centre in the world (london)
>9th largest exporter
>1st for growth 4 years in a row of all g7 nations
>53 close knit commonwealth nations with 2.1 billion people now free to trade
>the queen still decorating peoples money from sea to shining sea
>some of the highest rated universities and busiest airports
>some of the biggest companies in the world
>blah blah etc. etc.
>leaves behind the continent that created communism, fascism, nazism, hitler, mussolini, the vengaboys, shitty euro techno, legalised incest and bestiality
>diminished status
>lololololololol
the ship is sinking and we've gotten a great headstart
netherlands next, sweden after
>>691362500
nice dubs both for me and you.
of course they're having meetings. you think your own prime minister and cabinet isn't it? are you that ignorant?
this is a major event. obviously. you shitheads just decided to shoot your own nads off. if you had a friend that did that, of course you ask why.
but, as said. you're not that important anymore. frankfurt can easily absorb your banks. city of london will be no more, and that's a good thing.
also, hopefully, you have to apply for visas when you want to get off your dreary island and have sunshine. it would make europe better for the rest of us as well. so thank you.
>>691356322
somebody posted something earlier about scotland which relates to your comment
>its not whether the government let the people have independence, its whether they can stop them
>>691363136
6th largest economy, since yesterday, faggot
>>691357572
WHY DOES HE WEAR A MASK!?
>>691362631
>the only ones sorry about brexit are the brits.
guess u havent picked up a newspaper in like a year or w/e. u even look super butthurt yourself for some reason so idk
>>691363136
Eventually it'll be France, Germany, the poor fags (Portugal, Greece, Spain) the Eastern gypsy bloc (Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia etc) and the Muslims (Turkey).
>>691363238
>You don't want us
>We don't want you
Why exactly are we arguing about this shit again?
>>691363459
France is already 11% Muslim, Germany invited millions of them in, Portugal and Spain are already halfbreeds from the Muslim conquests... Adios Eurabia.
>>691363450
itt: britfags, trying to rationalize their loss. go stab some muslims, if you're that 'ard. cunts.
>>691363459
The Islamic States of Europe.
>>691362731
1 million in a year according to government numbers (who coincidentally are supporting the migration). They came over before that in droves and keep breeding. Likewise, East Europe is the same caliber of person with little interest in integration and moving for take advantage of benefits they will never contribute to in a significant way and their children will continue in the same way.
>>691356435
>Your so fucking dumb
Define irony...
>>691363734
wasnt me who made merkel hollande tusk give statements today about how sad they are
>>691355968
The same general public that are forgotten and ignored. If you have nothing, what will you lose?
ITT: An entire nation tanks is economy for a few less hard working people from Eastern Europe coming to do their shitty, low paid jobs.
The shitskins come from outside the EU, you not being in it wont stop the Syrians, Afghans, Somalians and Eritreans from turning up expecting free shit. It just moves them a step closer.
>>691364270
someone is being a salty mudslime.
>>691364270
dont be stupid mate all of the brown people and polish will evaporate back to the future style now, do u really think we'd vote to leave otherwise? were not stupid
>>691364270
And now we aren't bound to provide them with a fucking thing. They can starve to death or fuck off back to France.
>>691361840
Great argument there, guy. You really destroyed me with that one.
Again, I am sorry that the idea of having your own independent nation is too much for you. Next time fascism attempts to take over large portions of Europe again, I hope we just stay out of it. That is what you want, to be dominated and have all decisions handed down to you from a greater power.
What was even the point of fighting in World War 2 to be set free of fascist control if you're going to turn around and berate those who want to be sovereign. Like it or not, Brexit won, and if you can't handle the other side having a win, then you need to move to one of the really stable Euro countries like Poland or Greece or Italy.
But again, you don't even have an argument yourself, and I believe if you do reply (because you know deep down if you don't then I "win" a thread on the internet no one cares about), it's going to be less than 100 words and will probably consist of "hur faggot" and you proclaiming me to be completely wrong without actually putting forward a legit reason to be in the EU other than "MUH TARIFFS" and "MUH EURO COMMUNITY" because, as an outsider watching this unfold, I get the impression that unless European nations are forced to cooperate, they will immediate go into anschluss mode trying to trade onions.
Go ahead, get it out of your system about how wrong I am in thinking that a vote won fair and square should be nullified, as you are the definite superior here. I just can't outdo a picture of someone drew of a redneck yelling with a bible and a gun.
>>691364270
Not to mention that they have until the UK officially exits (possibly up to 2 years) to get over to you and start to breed. Expect a flood over the next 18-24 months.
>>691355445
this post is 99.99% retarted.
>>691364270
Why are they shitty low paid jobs?
>>691364804
yeah better follow the rules until we leave, wouldnt want to get kicked out like
>>691364641
France here. You do realize we're not bound anymore to keep them in Calais, right ?
>>691364994
Minimum wage shit. 12 hours picking apples, 4am starts to clean offices, cleaning gum and dog shit off the streets.
>>691357135
You know whats funny. Your entire point. These changes effect everyone, thats why EVERYONE votes (or at least should). Because at least then I can agree everyone contribited to whatever happens, rather than some small group of fuckwits who make the changes but keep themselves safe (economically or otherwise).
>>691355886
That's why most democracies are representative democracies. If people got to vote for everything they'd vote for no taxes, free money, and make goatfucking legal again in Brittain
What happened was that Cameron shot himself in the foot. He bluffed to get elected, bluffed himself all the way into the hearts of the unwashed masses, or so he thought.
Cameron was under tremendous pressure and he was played for a fool. At the moment everyone is in kneejerk reaction mode. Scotland wants to do their own referendum again (but is likely just trying to see how far they get the UK to make concessions to them in other topics), as is North Ireland. The current mayor of London is playing the populist card.
Politics politics politics, and neither scenario is going to make life for the "common man" any better. Anyone who believes that is a bigger fool than Cameron was
>>691365234
And you do realise we are under no obligation to accept them, or to not just simply dump the human trash back on your side of the border where EU Human Rights Act obligates you to provide certain things for them?
>>691365234
Le Touquet Treaty is a bilateral agreement
We should repeal it and let the shitskins go
Or we can blackmail the britbongs and get more money to let them die in their tents
>>691365234
you will though, theres a good chap
>>691365461
>Politics politics politics, and neither scenario is going to make life for the "common man" any better.
Because instead of going out there and making your country work better, you're inside complaining on /b/, like me.
You get what you put in, unless you're an immigrant, then you get what others have put in. Life's gonna be a bitch to somebody, someone has to lose for there to be a winner, and as we have seen, sore losers are just gonna keep on crying.
>>691365461
Northern Ireland does not have the economy to go it alone and has far too much bad blood to reunite with Eire. We'll likely devolve them more powers, which is fine.
The Scots can fuck off, take the immigrants, join the tanking Euro and rely on oil exports to make up the shortfall in GDP, because the oil market is clearly booming at the moment.
>>691355445
Representative democracy protects people from voting directly on shit that their tiny retard brains can't understand.
>>691365467
Bullshit
We don't have anything to provide to illegals who want to go to England
We're obligated to examine asylum claims
Those who don't make asylum claims can go fuck themselves
>>691365635
Britbong here, happy to give you money to let the shitskins die on your side of the border.
>>691365467
And we do. But the only thing that prevents them from crossing the tunnel is the army we deployed, because you paid our politicians.
The government turned a blind eye on that practice, but now you're out, Valls was rpetty clear on the fact that agreement is going in the shredder.
Now you'll have to deploy your own forces to stop that endless stream, good luck and human right court will be watching closely.
>>691365262
Why is that. If they paid a fair wage they would not be shitty. Those jobs are used to exploit people. They are agency jobs where you have no rights, if you take a holiday you will not get any more work. The EU has to expand too keep the exploitation going.
>>691365917
We aren't bound by the human rights court, so it can watch as closely as it likes. It also gives us the power to deport shitskins without a lengthy appeal process.
>>691356635
What he's (and OP) saying is that while sure, Confederacy may have held a vote, or Texas could decide to just up and leave but that had or would have military consequences.
In this situation, it's not like Germany or France are going to invade the UK to stop them from leaving.
They might fuck them over on trade though, which should be funny.
>>691365635
Pas fan de la seconde solution. Les migrants foutent vraiment la merde à Calais, et j'aimerai mieux qu'ils aillent faire chier les rosbifs, d'autant plus que c'est ce qu'ils veulent.
Franchement, annuler le traité avantage tout le monde, à part les britbongs.
>>691365917
If we paid you enough could you just burn the tent cities to the fucking ground?
>>691366522
With what money will you pay ? Your banks are moving this side of the north sea as we speak.
>>691366414
The problem is that nobody gives a shit about Calais here
Only thing that could push us to act is to fuck the British by pushing the border back to Dover
>>691355735
>We shouldn't have let the general public vote
This. Democracy is absolutely retarded as a form of governance.
>more people think a thing
>therefore it's best for us
We need to submit to our scientist overlords.
>>691366849
Being from Calais, I do give a shit about the mess that agreement made into my hometown. I'd also deport the euro hooligans back into their island, as they are taking space in our prisons.
>>691365917
>human rights court
let me fix that for you
>european human rights court
looks like you'll be watching yourselves to make sure they're fed and clothed and taken care of when we send them all back for failing to meet the requirements of our new points based immigration system
don't forget to build more mosques for them!
>>691366522
We can let BNP militants do that
Well just pretend we didn't expect they were coming
Share this with every remainer you know.
They may disagree, but we have to work together.
((Jewgle)) is pushing their agenda with another propaganda video, but this time they decided to censor all comments from the beginning. You don't have to watch the dreadful thing, just remember to give it a downvote<<
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oDLqmM2BPw
>>691366713
This. All you britfags have done is make the countries around you better off. In fact, by leaving you've actually boosted the Eurozone with cities such as Paris and Frankfurt getting most of the business.
You're also now more susceptible to terror attacks and there's no buffer countries to stop the immigrants you hate so much arriving right at your front door.
Well played you fucking idiots.
>>691358258
>Although if the elite in society thought it would be profitable to push for some one world government bullshit then I could see them trying to vote on it; but as it stands it would require a constitutional amendment for us to join such an organization which would require a 2/3rds majority popular vote by the people as well as approval by congress and the senate
Under Article II the President has the right to make treaties with a foreign power, with consent of 2/3 of the Senate. That is all that would be required to join some common association, especially when it starts out relatively small and weak, like the EU at first, or the WTO, UN, or NATO.
A constitutional amendment would not be necessary.
That's the de jure answer. De facto of course an amendment wouldn't be needed anyway. It took a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol. Now all kinds of things are banned and no one bothers with an amendment. The constitution is routinely ignore at this point, as elegantly put by your pic related.
>require a constitutional amendment for us to join such an organization which would require a 2/3rds majority popular vote by the people
An amendment needs 2/3 of the House and the Senate, then needs to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. The people do not need to vote on an amendment; it is not by popular vote. The process is done through elected representatives, both in the US Congress and the States.
Or, we can call a constitutional convention to make amendments. Which has never happened.
>>691367053
Then why haven't you packed your bags for the next flight to a E.U. nation?
I am sorry the side you wanted didn't win, but that's the way the dice roll, buddy.
>>691367297
I live in Belgium, so job done there.
>>691357881
It is not legally binding yet -- until Article 50 of Lisbon treaty is invoked. Then there's no turning back (except for ordinary admission process).
Camecuck said he's doing that in October, the EU is pushing for like next week.
Good God, I just fear what's gonna happen to DAX on Monday. It already went down like 7% in a day. I have money in European companies! Will anyone please think about my retirement?!
Fuck you, you british cunts. Also, ales suck.
>>691355445
What the fuck would you want to be independent from?
>>691367053
This is overrated
Dublin will profit the most from it until Boris and Gove transform England into the biggest tax heaven in the world
Too much regulation here to attract them
>>691367053
Paris and Frankfurt were in the Eurozone but business ignored them because they don't speak English. They still don't nothing will change.
>>691367297
As a french, I wanted the Leave to win. I'm really satisfied.
Troll aside, good luck to GB. Sincerely. You'll be going through hard times. We will protect our interests over yours, and that means we'll send you the migrants as we said we would.
It's the game, and we agreed on the rules earlier, and as you decided not to pull punches, it's only fair we dont either. No hard feeling really.
>>691355445
Hopefully, the American people would never be given such a vote. I view such imposition of limitation justifiable. Freedom at times, needs temperment.
-A United States Citizen
>>691367618
But now they're difficult to ignore when they're the best remaining options in the Euro Zone. Pretty sure the French and Germans can adjust they level of English they use for the massive additional income leaving the UK.
>>691367542
>We will rebuild our economy
>Without industry nor natural ressources
>We'll just deregulate the national markets and the money will flow
Dude.
The best arguments I've heard in favor of staying so far:
>old people are stupid
>the stock markets went down more than usual today
>change is scary
so glad they lost.
>>691355735
Agreed, 90% of this world is too stupid and pathetic to make decisions that brings the superiors down.
>>691355735
That was the thinking behind Greece becoming an aristocracy immediately after inventing democracy and realizing the implications. Cant educate the sheep herders who never come to town, thus what the fuck do they know, thus why should they have a voice? They are not members of the citi state, or citizens, they are idios, or private people, who dont take the effort to educate themselves on the issues. The word "idios" eventually became anglicized into "idiot". There are always more idiots than non-idiots.
Democracy gives the idiots the opportunity to take over.
>>691368069
Doing it the Thatcher way my nigga
>>691367707
Part of the none pleb 48% here. Do it, this country deserves it now. I've got a spouse visa to live in Japan, but wanted to do something other than teaching English. Now the pound's fucked, and the next two years at least are going to be shit, we're off.
Japan has its own problems, but at least the general man in the street isn't a complete mong.
See you later France bro, I enjoyed my three times in Le Mans over the last 10 years.
>>691368127
I honestly agree. Lets just make Israel the capitol and be done with all this bullshit. So sick of the news.
>>691367041
What agenda? Being nice to people and that parades are fun? Those fucking assholes!
>>691367914
They are too stubborn for that. The draw of the anglosphere and London will survive.
>>691360532
you forgot sweden though
>>691368069
Ahh yes, de-regulation works so great. Just look at Americas 8 years back.
Oh, wait.
>>691368127
It's called ochlocracy lad
The dictatorship of the masses
>>691361442
My sentiments exactly
>>691368127
Yeah, let's make it so the top 0.01% of the world make all the decisions for themselv...er I mean us. Monarchies and dictatorships work way better.
>>691367420
>Belgium
>unhappy with another country having a democratic vote
Get out of here, Guy, you slimey shitbag.
Joking aside, I am sorry that your failing union means so much to you.
And hey, in the EU, England didn't get to decide shit for you or itself, and they're out, you can't decide shit for England. Sounds like a fair trade off.
>>691367707
>We will protect our interests over yours, and that means we'll send you the migrants as we said we would.
Nice threat, Mon Amie, but we were going to get those same migrant regardless and now we'll have the power to send them back to you.
If people put half the faith you put in the failing EU into their own country, maybe you wouldn't be paying for the benefits of the rest of Europe.
>>691368069
If England can't support itself, then maybe trying to prop it up with crutches through the EU is just living in denial. Just have everyone leave the island, condemn it and move to a different country that apparently CAN support itself.
There is just no way to make remainers happy and European State promoters happy and if England actually did well, they would still never ever admit it while screaming into their pillows every night. Man up and deal with it.
>>691365461
>>691369094
>Nice threat
It's not a threat. It's the future you chose. We told you beforehand, gentlemanly. Those people want to go to UK, and we'll just stop stopping them.
But as they are neither french nor EU citizen, you do not have the right to deport anyone on our land. Just saying the facts.
The inherent flaws in democracy means people could literally vote away their freedoms if it was a popular opinion. When you let a bunch of uneducated morons vote out of fear for example a way to deal with terrorists they could inadvertantly vote away the 3rd amendment in the US Constitution when promised Muslims will be kept away from their communities by posting Army troops in their homes.
>>691355445
The US has a Constitution, numbnuts. We can't "vote" on secession.
>>691355445
In general, given a country with a population bigger than a few hundred, it seems reasonable for the people to vote to elect representatives, then let the representatives do their job making laws and setting policy. This system allows for policy to be set by folks, answerable to the people, who can send full time n working through the details, and the average voter, who has a life and needs to make a living, do that rather than need to spend their days learning about policies, reading laws and running a government. Getting people to pay attention every few years for an election is already more than hard enough.
Like any system, this one has flaws. But on balance, I have not seen one I think works better.
I am not sure how I think about referenda, other than if they are anything other than rare, that is probably a mistake.
>>691369562
The 3rd Amendment is obsolete as the US Military has the right to Eminent Domain.
>>691369305
implying britain won ww2
they were financed and armed by america from the start and had to have the US push back the germans on their doorstep looking across the river at them
>>691369870
Which we paid for.
>>691369870
and the UK will have us at their side again
so damn proud of you britbongs
>>691365461
The part about Northern Ireland wanting that is quite the kneejerk reaction. However, the sensible of us here in the rest of Ireland don't really want N.I. until they have a stable economy, as it's a fucking sinkhole and looming economic disaster waiting to happen. Britain would be only too happy to let them partition for that reason, if it were possible to do so without a vote.
Cameron shot himself in the foot indeed, and Farage, that xenophobic cunt, is laughing at the shitstorm that is upon them.
I actually feel sorry for the mess that has been thrust upon my friends over there, as they'll most likely have to move somewhere a bit more stable.
>>691355968
>>691357135
Exactly this.
Soon2be history/geography teacher & I second this. Tho, democracy, like any other form of polity has its pros & cons. UK leaving the EU for retarded reasons made by blind fools is one of those cons.
There is no such thing as a perfect polity, but I bet there is some that fits more certain times than others.
>>691369539
You're not stopping them anyway, asshat. You're saying that because we refuse to be a part of a union we pay more into than we get out, you are trying to blackmail us by using the THREAT that you're going to let people that, judging by the way you describe, are probably terrorists come into the UK who came to France BECAUSE OF EU POLICY WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF. This is because the UK made the unforgivable crime of making a decision that wasn't approved by the EU.
Really, this is something I would have expected of 50's/60's era Communism and alt-history bullshit about Nazi's winning WW2. This is two steps below Russian military intervention in Georgia. "How dare you not be part of my club we will try and sink your country because all traitors must die!"
You want to send the dangerous people the EU has brought in your country to another country because you are unable to handle decisions not made by paid-for bureaucrats? Bring em on, cheese man! Make sure you get the approval of the EU first, since you are not allowed to make decisions on your own. Once Turkey becomes a member, you can bet they won't hold em back either.
>>691368567
>See you later France bro, I enjoyed my three times in Le Mans over the last 10 years.
I hope Japan works for you. I have a brother working in south england. The devaluation of the pound made him lose between 1 and 3k euros overnight. Tbh that's pretty disheartening.
>>691365808
lol if the north has a referendum the south gets to vote too. do you think the loyalists will outnumber the nationalists if there is another 2 or 3million voters?
dont want it back to be honest. more trouble than its worth. only plus would be getting johnny evans in a ROI jersey and a maybe griggs too.
>>691369671
A meritocracy would work fine in most cases. Corporations already use a meritocratic system to operate their administration and it has worked fine so far since the beginning of capitalism. The average Mcdonalds employee don't get to vote on corporate management, yet the company has been going strong since its inception.
>>691370807
>You're not stopping them anyway, asshat.
Don't know if b8 or you genuinly are unaware of the mess you created in Calais. That is not going to stick, my friend. This jungle has to go, and we will stop detaining these people against their will, count on that.
> are probably terrorists
They are economic migrants from africa, unrelated to ISIS. They want to come to UK because they come from country you colonized centuries ago and therefore speak english and not french.
It's your shit to deal with. Not ours and we're done with it. Also you sent a shitload of hooligans for euro 2016 and I'd like you tell your people to get some manners when going into someone else's house, thanks
>>691371599
Check em
>>691368695
Sweden is just a giant dong
>>691371777
trips of truth
He should have died.
>>691371027
If the south wanted it, a referrendum would have happened by now. ROI can't agree to pay for water let alone the 13 billion euros to subsidise NI.
cant wait for boris though
>>691371806
>all these but blasted liberals
Why? Because people aren't afraid to take their country back anymore? Because you KNOW this will lead to a domino effect of other counties doing the same?
>>691372366
Dubs of truth
>>691371434
>Don't know if b8 or you genuinly are unaware of the mess you created in Calais. That is not going to stick, my friend. This jungle has to go, and we will stop detaining these people against their will, count on that.
Hey, Britain is not the one who urged people to freely come to Europe. EU policy did that to you, so don't try and finger the blame at someone you're now allowed to berate, now that we don't have to pay for people like you either. Sounds to me like a fair trade.
>They are economic migrants from africa, unrelated to ISIS.
Just like the people who bombed you guys, right? They only came to France to look for jobs and then racist white people made them blow up people, right? Whatever you say
>They want to come to UK because they come from country you colonized centuries ago and therefore speak english and not french.
You actually call what they speak "English"? Okay, I will agree if you tell me that French Creole or Haitian Creole is "French", too.
> I'd like you tell your people to get some manners when going into someone else's house, thanks
>From a FRENCH man
I lost dude, I'm sorry. You can declare the conversation won, okay, Britain will sink into the Atlantic, Europe will win, every remainer will be made fools of, sure, whatever you say, alright? You win because you will send us all the immigrants forced onto you and the UK because of EU policy because we are forced to have immigrants whether we like it or not. You just win, okay?
But for a fucking French man, from a country RENOWN for their shitty attitude, to complain about that is simply beyond my mental capabilities, like an Indian shitting in the street telling me about toilet manners. Sorry man, that's just too much retarded for me. You can have the rest of the conversation, but really, all you do is make me sad that you were liberated from the Nazi's in the 40's. We should have all just let them keep you.
>>691372197
its not up to the south to call for the referendum. its when a majority of NI want out they can vote and we get to vote too. its all in that good friday agreement.
they voted remain by a good margin. the shinners have already started their usual shite talk bout united Ireland and the logistics of having a non eu country bordering an eu country are ridiculous for such a small island.
>>691372944
>>691372403
Like Scotland and Northern Ireland right? I'm sure once London becomes an Independent City-state and Cornwall declares bankruptcy because it gets 60m a year from the EU, your new country will be called Mostly-England-But-Not-Really.
>>691368704
there's the argument that to find out how deregulation would have worked out, the bailout should never have happened. the theory was that if you let big banks and businesses fail, that newer businesses would have developed, and banks that practice good decision making would have prospered. alas, we'll never know.
>>691355445
BRexit?
Where's Brazil going?
>>691372983
It is up to the south because you can't unify when the south don't want them.
>>691372864
>that French Creole
People from Martinique and other DOM are french in every sense of the term. Haitians ain't.
I'm just giving you the explanation. They don't want to stay in France, and only do because WE, as French, are keeping them captive. It costs manpower and ressources. That's an effort we'll stop doing, the rest is on you. We don't have to keep them, EU is just telling them to treat them as they stay, which we do, but we are under no european obligation to keep them.
>You just win, okay?
Okay we're making progresses, I guess.
>But for a fucking French man, from a country RENOWN for their shitty attitude
There's a difference between shitty attitude and coming to my country to trash it out. We don't respect you, that's a given, doesnt means we come to smash your front windows.
>All you do is make me sad that you were liberated from the Nazi's in the 40's. We should have all just let them keep you.
If it was a historical conversation, I'd tell you that we were liberated not from the nazi, but from the collaborators of Vichy who kept France from fighting from the very beggining. The problem was the fascists of our own country, the "nationalists" for who the national idea had a higher value than their own country, and maybe that's a lesson you can learn from.
>>691373902
hence why we get a vote too but we cant call for it.
>>691369870
If Britain hadn't held out as long as they did (i.e if they'd pulled a France & bent over for Germany), the US might have run into a bit of trouble trying to get a foothold in Europe by itself. It was a massive JOINT effort.
The EU leaders have made it blatantly clear they no longer want us. They have said publicly to just get on with it and get out as fast as possible. They are shit scared other countries will follow and want to limit the damage by cutting ties to us quickly than let it be a continual thorn in their side.
Like the Queen once purportedly said. Let them eat cake.
>>691373288
yes but the problem is those banks will lose everyone's money which is insured by the federal government which would be forced to basically start printing money to pay all the customers of those banks back not to mention what happens to the stock market when everyone starts withdrawing all their money before the collapse
ever heard of the great depression? it's exactly what happened to them and it took more than a decade to recover. there's a reason they were called "to big to fail". without the bailout the US would have surely entered the next great depression. we learned from history and avoided the mistakes we made in the past.
>>691374359
>Like the Queen once purportedly said. Let them eat cake.
It was Marie Antoinette, the french Queen, Wife of Louis the VXI, and she got beheaded for that.
Just sayin'
>>691371806
Retards. The old people were generally voting to stay, not leave. It was the (higher % of) educated youth who wanted their balls back so they could fuck the bludging immigrants.
>>691374063
Because behind closed doors it has been decided not too. Why has Scotland, Gibraltar and the Falklands had a referendum but not NI. The south don't want it.
>>691374786
we really dont. just a mess up there
>>691358449
The difference is all plumbers can tell you exactly why your sink isn't draining, and they all know exactly how to fix it. Where you can tell 5 economists a problem, and you will get 5 answers as to what is causing the problem, and 10 ways to fix it.
>"its the old people's fault for voting for something I don't want"
>did you vote?
>"no that's not the point"
Everytime
>>691374786
will this mean i need a visa to go watch a match? the premiership is englands only redeeming quality.
>>691375105
Country/global economic problems tend to be a little more complicated than problems with a sink though. Governments also tend to cockblock the fixes, as do various vested interests. Long term though, most economic problems are self repairing (i.e high prices are the fix to high prices, since everybody rushes to produce that commodity & causes a glut a certain time later depending on how long it takes to bring said commodity production online)
>>691360456
Fucking gold!
>>691361840
Serf*
Kys, faggot.
>>691356322
yes of course. take up arms against the us government. this worked for virtually no one ever
except maybe the charlie, but asians dont stop until you flatten their country with the power of atoms and we already burned that play on the japs so we basically left them to their own shit hole
>>691375816
its not a secret they are under educated for a 1st world country.
>>691360690
>>691371900
God saved him.
>>691355445
Isn't England a Monarchy?
>>691372944
checked and kekd
>>691355445
it is, but you assume anyone over here knows what the fuck the EU even is, they think it's the UN or something. Trump will win our election and pull similar antics. We don't get a vote on any move. We've been struggling enough just to pass medical marijuana in the "cool" states.
>>691375483
No because England love Ireland, we have differences but i don't understand the hatred. The past is in the past and Hurling is quite good.
>>691367799
I along with an ever growing portion of the US population has lost all confidence that the political elite exist for any other reason than to serve their own best interests and that of their financial backers. The US government has become so corrupt that it, along with the police, are polling at their lowest confidence ratings in history amongst American citizens.
We are sick of a government that was bought and sold long ago to the highest bidder.
A revolution is coming.
>>691376610
twas a jest good sir. good cant be missing out on them weekends away.
>>691369305
You're*
>>691374619
You're completely backwards on that. Typical uneducated conservative brit.
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>>691376465
> Isn't England a Monarchy?
a) WTF does that have to do with them getting to vote on leaving the EU and whether or not OP is right that Americans don't get to vote on things of that sort?
b) England is a part of the UK. The United KINGDOM is a monarchy, yeah. How'd you figure that one out?
>>691376536
Hang Yourself!
>>691355445
We did and we lost.
It's called the Civil War.
I can't wait for all right wing faggots to start begging the EU to let them back in.
>>691373965
>Haitians ain't
Hey, you guys colonized them, so they're yours, too, just like the Africans YOU ALSO colonized. Plus, this is coming from the country that idolises Napoleon because he killed armies and people for land expansion and personal gain. Classy. But hey, those immigrants you can't do anything with can go anywhere they want in the EU with unrestricted access, so you don't have to keep them. Besides, now that the UK isn't in the EU, looks like that free movement thing won't be applying to us much longer, so you might want to mark a secondary location to dump them
>Okay we're making progresses, I guess.
>The only acceptable option is how I want or you can fuck yourself
I see why you like the European Union.
>There's a difference between shitty attitude and coming to my country to trash it out. We don't respect you, that's a given, doesnt means we come to smash your front windows.
Sooo .... some english hooligans who came over and broke some windows is a worse tragedy than the Paris bombings? I know you won't actually answer that question and try and spin it around, but I figured it was worth asking, if only for my own satisfaction of watching you avoid it.
>blah blah blah we lost WW2 because of the Vichy
It didn't matter if you declared war on Hitler in 1934 or 1942, he would have still anschlussed you and put you under Nazi Germany Rule, without the option of stupid people voting to get out, because he refused to let people like France who completely fucked them over in the Treaty of Versailles dictate the clusterfuck that was their post-WW1 economy.
I swear, I'm not trying to be sarcastic on this one, but I really do believe you would have been comfortable under Soviet Bloc rules. You would have been part of a massive USSR and you wouldn't have had to make your own decisions. And hey, when Hungary didn't want to be a part of their union, they didn't get a referendum, they got military intervention. Sound like your kind of paradise.
>>691376793
Don't worry about the Brexit. I will and everyone i know will still buy Irish produce because it is good quality.
>>691377161
Hardly. No one voted to secede, they just declared it. Then they got their shitpacked in by the North who was more often than not being led by a third rate general who could have ended the war several times much earlier but was to much of a pussy to finish the job.
>>691355445
it's time we think about texit
>>691356299
>intelligent people
>>691378433
If Texas attempts to "break apart", you can bet your ass that Uncle Sam is going to move all his divisions on top of Texas.
It's no different than when Georgia succeeded from Russia. They got military intervention and civil war, and you can bet that'll happen to Texas if they get serious about it...
...Which they won't because all politcians have been bough out.
>>691356111
as a Texan i said, texit plz
