This is a different tack: I want to understand what is behind Britain leaving the EU, but I need solid points. From an outside perspective, it's shit, but there was a majority vote. I would appreciate concrete views.
>/pol/
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>>691326149
Nope. It's random.
>>691326149
Its just another trade scam..plenty of insiders knew it would be pulling out before most of the general public and they bought and sold their stock accordingly.
>>691326149
I posted this in the other thread. Nice solid tl:dr
Short form: Unlike the rest of the EU, the UK joined after three centuries of unbroken, (comparatively) liberal democracy. As such, asking it to pool it's democratic sovereignty with the continent (the one that had spawned a litany of tyrants that had tried and failed to conquer it) was always going to be a hell of a lot more of an ask than asking nations which had only just (re)gained democracy to do the same.
Add in an apparent democratic deficit in the way the EC works, several decades of campaigning by a bunch of newspaper tycoons who despise the EU for various reasons, a governing party with a butt load of festering wounds from Maastricht, and New Labour's chicanery meaning we never got a vote on the Lisbon treaty and here we are.
Well and truly buggered by 17.4 million morons.
Fuck you.... That's why.
We do what we want, when we want and there's fuck all you can do to stop us!
English are polite people apparently but inside fascist and racist as fuck, so when they had the opportunity they demostrate who they are, they will pay it
>>691326149
pic related my spirit throughout today as a continental european who believe in a paneuropean identity
to answer your question, the reasons are brits were:
- scared shitless of last year's migrant crisis that was actually all but over by now
- hate having to listen to anyone from across the continent even if they get to send their own delegates over
- think they are still a relevant world power despite losing their colonial empires more than half a century ago
- muh union jack, rule britannia, fuck angela merkel
these sentiments led them to leave. what they didnt think through is that scotland might actually hold a 2nd referendum and leave their union for good, and that makes their pretty union jack flag kill
>>691326658
This makes sense. Thank you anon.
>>691326658
Wow a pretty thoughtful succinct response,not the repeated drivel about racism and education like these fags:
>>691326885
>>691326895
>>691326149
>Removed ireland from the jack
>Not wishy-washy scotland and their constant umm'ing and aww'ing.
At this rate they'll be having a referendum every week.
>we want to leave
didn't work
>let's just keep making referendums until this one person gets what they want.
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>>691327590
wew lad, did someone forget the 1975 Brexit referendum?
>>691326895
Yeah, Scotland i think might capitalize on this and get gone. Glasgow owns all North Sea EU oil, and I'm pretty sure they're not happy right now.
>>691327739
your point is....
what?
>>691326149
>working class blame their woes on EU migration rather than global financial meltdown because they're dumb as fuck
>old people don't like Germans
>>691326895
I'm going to have to start bolding this point, SCOTLAND CANNOT HOLD IT'S OWN REFERENDUM. It has to be approved by the British parliament in Westminster, another referendum will not happen under a tory government that's going to swing further right than Cameron was.
I'm starting to think we've made a huge mistake.
>>691327739
you complain about others who repeatedly hold referendums over the same topic...
>>691328003
Surprisingly accurate depiction.
>>691328221
>repeatedly hold referendums
Two in 40 years is not 'repeatedly'
>>691326149
you come to 4chan for proper answer? lol
everyone's a right wing conspiracy theorist here or a troll. Not that they have no proper points sometimes but I think it's just the complete opposite of the sjw lefty fags. And due to that, it's just as badly one sided.
Think
>>691327838
North Sea oil is worth literally fuck all m8
Even if Sotchland could get another referendum going they wouldn't survive on their own
>>691326149
Barely a majority. Less than 2%, and the whole of Scotland voted to stay. Turnout about 71% For such an mportant vote you'd hope it was higher, and the result more clear.
>>691328783
A lot of dumb fucks were too busy getting shit faced in a muddy field.
>>691328003
don't forget that they want to seem PC despite hating sandniggers so they blame the eastern europeans for taking away their dear toilet plumbing jobs.
>>691326149
>>691326149
>>691326149
>Majority vote
52% is hardly a majority, but I guess it is technically true.
Most leave supporters spouted something about regaining national sovereignty, but really it was just the poor white fucktards living in the shitty backwaters of the UK (large swathes of it) scared of immigrants taking their jobs. Interesting that the areas with the larger immigrant populations (who were not entitled to vote) actually chose to remain, while areas where nearly no immigrants live all chose to leave.
>>691329291
Birmingham and Bradford have huge non-white numbers and both voted leave.
>>691329291
>52% is hardly a majority
It's literally a majority
50.0000000000000001% is a majority
>>691328153
Don't be down, /b/rother bong. Now you just need to reunite with the US and together we'll basically rule the world. Canada Australia and New Zealand also welcome.
Seriously you can't tell me that wouldn't be awesome.
>>691326149
Look at the voting map , it says it all. The rest of the country are sick of London and Londoners who are all greedy selfish retarded morons , who mainly "Work in the CITY" ie, they make NOTHING , help NOBODY and serve no useful purpose to society. Schotland and Irish just follow anybody , they have evolved been conquered and know no other way of life but servitude
>>691326149
:^)
>>691329689
>they make NOTHING , help NOBODY and serve no useful purpose to society
Yeah apart from maintaining the largest economic centre in the world, but that's nothing compared to the contributions of the North, such as eccles cakes and heroin abuse
>>691328548
North sea oil is worth a fuck ton, mate. This is one of those rare opportunities where you are absolutely sure the other person has no idea what they're talking about. I price oil for a living. I might go masturbate.
>>691326149
I can't express in words so I put it in a song, this is for you Brits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFZ3Qhn5dW8
>>691329580
That's why I said technically true, but it wasn't a large majority was it?
>>691329580
two regions, but Northern England and Wales are about as white as you can get.
We really don't like Europe
>>691329818
>>691329932
Your "largest economic centre" just became unreliable shit.
>>691329546
Dont tell the young liberals that, it ruins their evil white people narrative.
>>691330107
>Northern England, as white as you can get.
You're forgetting that since WWII, governments have always tried their best to move migrants/immigrants/asylum seekers etc. Up north. That's the problem. Govs have been too Londoncentric and have pissed off everyone between the top of the m25 and Scotland
>>691326895
>scotland might actually hold a 2nd referendum and leave their union
Ner, by time they get to vote again the French and the Dutch will have already followed suit.
If we prosper then so will independents.
The Scotts can do as they please, for all I care.
But by then the EU will be a place where your currency goes to die.
Only thing that might sway the votes of the herd is the fact that they already exchanged all their money for EU Monopoly money.
Scotland will realise that their own Monopley money is worthless enough without investing in a pie bald grand national one time win cow called "Angela Merkel".
Lets face it, anybody who chooses to stay in the EU is flogging a dead horse.
This was never a union it has always been and will always be a dictatorship.
And I may have a problem with authority but if you don't, you are a.......?
>>691330820
Birmingham and Bradford are known terrorist cells and ISIS training camps. Makes sense that they would vote to leave to destabilise the region. Should have bombed those shitholes a while ago.
>>691326149
> I want to understand what is behind Britain leaving the EU, but I need solid points
1. Being in the EU meant UK had to accept any and all EU migrants.
2. e.g. 1mil+ polish have come since 2005, net migration is something like 200k people a year.
3. Housing is now unattainable and expensive for most in UK especially the capital.
4. Schools places are difficult to secure.
5. The National health service is strained.
6. We're spending too much on benefits and social care.
7. Brits feel disenfranchised and 2nd class i.e. someone could be on the housing list for 15 years then a foreigner with kids arrives and gets a place in 2 weeks.
It's the unfairness that has caused the resentment.
>>691330848
Not to mention that those populations tend to be older. It seems they nostalgia'd for a Britain that will never return. The Empire is long gone I'm afraid, and Britain has even less of a chance of being relevant on the world stage now, unless we suck US dick big time (and we've been doing it for free for years now already).
>>691326149
>EU = titanic
>leaving = getting on the last liferaft
Basically to leave the Titanic is to get out of some sticky shit, however while escaping we might frget some supplies and shit and we don't know what will happen when we are drifting in the sea on our own
>>691331093
And I'd also add the fact that anyone who complains about these things is branded a racist, which has let to further disillusionment with the way the country is going.
>>691328117
Move along Scotland, nothing to see here.
I'm old enough to remember before we joined the EU or Common Market as it was then,we did ok then. Elephant in the room that no politician dare talk about?, immigration.
>>691326149
>>691331066
you really think so?
>>691331015
Do you know the value of a pound sterling right now?
>>691331423
England had friends, even if it's leaders tried to convince you all it didn't
>>691327838
This was all relevant when oil was at $150 per barrel but now that it's tumbled to $50 a barrel that leverage has evaporated
>>691331093
The UK must have been at maximum capacity, given that 200k people per year is 0.35% of the population (assuming your figures are correct, you got a source?).
>>691331743
You really think it'll stay this low?
>>691331093
So inner politics are shit and can't handle change.
But how is this a argument against EU?
>>691331423
We all know what happened to the Titanic
>>691326149
basically there is this collection of European countries. Britain and Germany are the parents and the rest are whiny little brats suckling off of the parents teets, sucking the life right out of them. Everything is crashing so they decided to all go down burning together, except Britain. They realized they still had a chance so they jumped.
>>691331403
I don't know about that. I was born up north, have lived in Wales, and now live in Sussex. Wales and Sussex are amongst the whitest places I've ever been.
>>691331740
Even if they weren't, the two cities have no redeeming qualities and should be culled, along with anyone over 70 who is dragging down the economy by claiming state pension and anyone lacking the mental capacity to get a decent job.
>>691328901
Not true... Some of us was busy watching retards kick a ball.
>>691326149
David Cameron resigning, meaning no more LEGITIMATE disabled people getting fucked by saying "if you can walk the length of a bus without dying you're fit for work"
>>691329546
>Birmingham and Bradford have huge non-white numbers and both voted leave.
Luton also voted to leave and it's the capital of Durka
>>691331971
more like children on a bus..one claims that they arent there yet and so starts intentionally pissing itself and breaking windows... disturbs other kids... the driver has to pull over... ultimately takes longer to get anywhere
>>691332144
Sounds like a reasonable plan.
>>691331743
It's just a blip. Both the leave and remain campaigns said this would happen. It's not surprising.
>>691331889
Useful scapegoat. Blame EU, don't have to blame self.
Euro Niggers....don't like or want Euro Niggers
>>691332264
It makes sense that the places most overrun with non whites would vote to leave.
>>691331093
Hasn't point 3 through 7 been a constant complaint? Only now "Immigrants!"
I think I might be that you were duped into thinking old problems were new and had one thing to blame.
Donald Trump is praising you, literally.
>>691332262
Duncan-Smith was the driver behind that. He's currently on cloud nine and probably going to be getting a plum job in the Johnson government.
I.e. yet another way that this has fucked us.
>>691332348
I work for a hedge fund. No traders are expecting the pound to rally back to it's old level. The general consensus is that the uncertainty over how leaving will changes things assigns a sizeable discount to the UK economy, and therefore the pound.
I voted leave because I wanted to see what would happen.
Doesn't matter to me whether we stay or go.
>>691329291
You bell end, you do know the majority of the brown people got to vote too. All they had to do was about 4 years and shit a kid out.
>>691329291
Reminds me of how usa libfags define majority
>Bush gets 51% of the vote
That's not really a majority or a mandate!
>Obama gets 51% of the vote
Obama kicked ass! He has a clear mandate and everyone in the whole country loves him!
England got rolled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XTYfzd1I
For me, voting to leave was about democracy. The EU is not an actively democratic system. I doubt that even 1% of Brits could name their MEP and even less could tell you what party they represent, what they have voted for or what they have voted against. In other words, the European parliament (which is the only part of the EU with even the thinnest veneer of democracy about it) is democratic in name only. This is often referred to as "democratic deficiency". The real decision makers in the EU are the European Commission, who are political appointees but are not elected. The EU itself has known about but ignored this situation for decades. They have had many opportunities to create a truly democratic institution but have chosen to turn a blind eye. Anyone with an interest in genuine, effective democracy should be cheering today.
>>691332870
out of interest , which presidency caused a global recession and which presidency ended one (not including today of course)
>>691326149
This is like asking what does Salvador Dali's art represent; everybody has their own answers.
I believe the outcome was due to yesterday's terror attack at Germany.(http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/23/europe/germany-cinema-attack/)
People speak of democracy as something which really determines what the people want - but it's nothing but a snapshot. When we have a stalemate voting situation like this, it's fairly clear that the 5% of the population is affected by events like this. Speaking of the people, it's fairly clear that most britons don't know what the EU is, since "What is EU" has been a really popular search word for some time.
>>691332817
Only one kid? Makes a different from the thousands of white scumspawn you see on Jeremy Kyle. I can tell you now that these fuckers out number the brown people in droves.
>>691326149
majority?
51.9% vote of a 72.2% turnout equates to 37.4% of the eligible registered voters
lazy motherfuckers who thought that their vote didn't count have fucked over their own country and are now probably the ones that are the most butthurt about it
>>691331806
No, it won't, but hard assets are being moved away from England. It will bounce, but not as high as it has in the past.
>>691332498
Plenty of non-white in those areas voted to leave. The ones that consider themselves British first and darkies second.
>>691332907
oh dear
>>691326149
>>691331778
>The UK must have been at maximum capacity, given that 200k people per year is 0.35% of the population (assuming your figures are correct, you got a source?).
Stats in 2014, 313k
http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/HTMLDocs/dvc123/index.html
Stats in Dec 2015 was 333k
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics
It is unsustainable and growing. This is not about resources its about infinite numbers consuming finite resources.
We are not the size of Germany or France to cope with these numbers,
>>691329689
^^(You)^^
Pic related.
>>691333485
and there it is....the exited based on vague feelings, actual facts are boring and hard to understand
>>691326149
While there existed some legitimate concerns regarding sovereignity and EU law I do honestly think it came down to Euroskepticism fueled by the Greek debt crisis and intra-European migration mostly Eastern Europeans. While most of the visible integration issues actually come from non-EU related migrants from the Commonwealth (West Indies, Pakistani Muslims, Hindus) this created an environment that was further fueled by the Syrian refugee crisis and the EU's response, including large concessions to Erdogan's Turkey.
Some very small segment of voters may have been influenced or emboldened by American Trump suporters, Brexit won by 2% so small factors did actually turn out to be significant.
Not making any undue asumptions for the future short term the panorama doesn't look good for either the UK, Europe or the Global economy.
>>691332942
Except isn't that the British people's fault for not caring who they elected to European parliament?
As for the commission, isn't it analogous to the cabinet? We've just traded a bunch of bureaucrats for bunch of morons.
That said, I agree that the EU was in a shit state. However, I believe reforming the EU, rather than dismantling it would be the way to go.
On a side note, do you think that leaving Germany as the sole economic power in the EU means we've forced it's hand, leading to an even more centralised European establishment, perhaps even a German led European state?
>>691329689
didnt the irish forcefully expel the english at the turn of last century.... havent they fought the british for hundreds of years except for more recently when they tried to work with the brits
>>691333485
>>691329932
>largest economic centre in the world
STFU dude, I for one don't want planes in my back garden.
>>691328153
Why would you vote for something and regret it when it comes true? Does the UK not take votes on anything? That's how voting works, you vote for what you want to happen. Now you have to deal with it whether you like it or not.
>>691326149
They day the EU died
>>691332802
Surprisingly this.
To be honest i think it's hilarious all the people screaming "WE'RE GUNNA LEAVE THE UK DEN M8 THIS WAS B8" well off you tot then no one is stopping you but you know what they won't get off their arses, nothing will change.
You know even though we left the EU who's in charge next will most likely sort out the terms of the UK leaving, funny part is even if say all the voters to leave were racist as fuck that doesn't mean we are closing the border if we stay as a single market then people will continue to flood in if that's even the issue.
Most people i know just want to leave the EU because it's a sinking ship and think we can do better alone barely anyone i know has voted out so we can gather immigrants up like it's auschwitz and boot them out, that's not how this works.
>>691332802
Only it did matter. It really did matter this time.
>>691326149
I can think of at least one country that managed to get it's independence that seems to be doing OK.
>>691334067
I honestly think that's propaganda, google can lie, who would know?
>>691333499
Except that they provided the cheap labour that kept prices low. Britons are expecting higher wages without immigrants, which will lead to a wage-price spiral and no observable improvement in lifestyles. Sure, a larger population is certainly a burden on the state, with free healthcare and all. but have you seen how much spending goes towards the state pension? The problem is there are too many old people, and not enough workers contributing to the economy.
>>691329818
You need to remember that we still have the WHOLE of the commonwealth....MAJOR FUCKING LOLZ @ U
>>691332713
The same funds that didn't expect a Leave majority?
>>691334067
> What is the EU
>>691334491
We don't have developed as strong an economic tie with these countries. If anything, the commonwealth is as much as a drain on the UK with all the aid contributions we make.
>>691334639
We were neutral, and some of our positions actually benefited from a Brexit. Our P&L from today looks essentially flat.
>>691332907
That was absolutely disgusting but it shows you that essentially all politicians are the same
>>691333776
Thank you. That was well worded and I honestly felt the same. The one thing I cannot figure out is why anybody would push for an EU divorce to the detriment of his country. And don't forget for a second that Jo Cox was murdered a week ago.
oke Brittain should leave this continent. NOW
>>691326149
well, you think it's shit because you're completely ignorant of the economical and immigrant situation here in Europe, frankly.
>>691334300
Thanks for an honest answer
>>691334395
google can lie? what are you talking about?
these are stats automatically collected by google itself
>>691333052
>still thinks presidents cause global recessions.
It's that simple? Wow I had no idea!
I just voted Leave for lulz tbh.
>>691331093
Yeah, the strain on the NHS has nothing to do with more than 20 Million in England being over the age of 45.
Must be those fucking Poles and Syrians. Fucking freeloaders.
Dumbass.
>>691326149
They are make strides towards national sovereignty instead of shackling themselves to a corpse.
>>691329291
>52% is hardly a majority, but I guess it is technically true.
First of all, what is a majority? (We are going to use google definitions to help us!!)
majority
məˈdʒɒrɪti/Submit
noun
1.
the greater number.
Okay!
>52% is hardly a majority
Oh really? (Let's prove that wrong, with google calculator!!!!!!)
100% - 52% = 48% <- 48% wanted leave
So, we know that remain was 4% more! What does that mean? It's the majority!!
>technically true
No anon, it's literally true.
>pic related
Your childhood must had been tough
>>691326149
https://twitter.com/RichardNJames/status/746259755895783424/video/1
>>691326149
The leave campaign fronted with number, the remain campaign fronted with snobbery and a 'you're a fucking idiot if you disagree with us" attitude
you never convince anyone by patronizing them
>>691328420
Technically, it is, because they repeated it.
Faggot
>>691336298
The point I was trying to get across was that the majority was not very large. Admittedly, my previous post was poor phrasing.
My childhood was pretty good. I'm now one the few who stand to benefit from the ensuing income inequality that Brexit will cause.
>>691336621
If it had been 50-50 with a one vote difference, that side would have still won. That's called majority rules and democracy.
If things had been reversed, you wouldn't be complaining about a 'small majority' that's in your favour.
>>691334441
>Except that they provided the cheap labour that kept prices low
Cheap often off the books cash-in-hand labour which does NOT contribute to income tax or in any way shape or form help offset the expense of migrants claiming benefits or the increased NHS spending.
Pensioners may be living longer but they are not having kids and claiming child benefit.
>>691336507
Saying 'sorry Scots, you had your vote 5 years ago' is not the same as 'Sorry UK, you should have voted 40 years ago when a lot of you werent even born'
>>691335467
If I told you I lived in Texas, would that help you shrug off any self-pity you have about immigration?
Xenophobia doesn't help anything, except maybe politicians who want a platform.
I'm gonna /thread this thread.
LOOK FUCKTARDS WE ARE OUT!
Stop bitching and lets make a go of it?
Worst comes to worst, we all gather at Dover and cling hold of lorry axles until we get to Calais.
We can eat humble pie if and when it is served.
Until then go to work, make yourself busy and stop been butt hurt faggots.
Especially those butt hurt faggots that never got a vote.
Stop been jelly just because slightly over 50% of the UK population stopped the rest of the fucking world getting its own fucking way.
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>>691336035
thanks fam :^)
>>691336417
I saw both sides being snobbish and insulting. Just emotions taking over rational thought.
It wasn't helped by the shitstorm of a campaign, with lies on both sides. Must have confused a lot of undecided voters (which explains the incredibly narrow majority).
>>691336035
y-you too
shit was totally worth it just to watch all the butthurt tumblr-tards crying all over the internet today
my personal response.
If the Uk votes and leaves, we will invoke article 50 and have a 2 year trade discussion with all other member states of the EU then take a model based on Switzerland Norway or the EEC , all of which pay into the Eu and allow freedom of movement, we Gain the rights to govern our own laws in our kingdom , we do away with EU courts and extradition policy interference, Leaving the EU does not mean we are Free of payments to it, it does not mean we become exempt from international law and on immigration, however we become a more free people to create laws in our lands,
If you voted remain you have gained pretty much nothing but have used the guise of a democratic vote to deny yourself localised governing and democracy,
If you voted leave you put a foot forward towards localised governing and law making outside of Brussels and the unelected bodies which govern many aspects of your living without your governments input.
to allow people we didn't vote for to create laws in our country entirely demeans and debases the point of electing a government in the first place.
People will also call you a racist, thats fine its only natural to fear things that are alien to you and what you dont understand however, even if you did understand it and became familiar with it you would probably find yourself quite disgusted in many cases and appalled at their way of life, it was the same in the 1900's and the 1800's and the 1700's etc etc ad infinum.. our small island has always been invaded and met with outside pressures, much of which we owe our diversification and rich history to.
be very assured however that the situation we face now is not as plain hearted as was then and is very much a matter of civil liberty of the native islander.
setting aside prejudices I feel it is only right that we should leave so that we may potentially take back legal jurisdiction in our own lands and that we may govern and forge a system that makes right by its people above all els
>>691334491
what a cunt
>>691333842
>sole economic power
>sorry France you don't exist anymore
>my baguette when
>>691326149
Well as with any major social change. there will be growing pains and things will stabilize. Look ar Germany when the Berlin wall went up. People were clambering to get across. After a few generations pass and the wall came down. It wasn't seen as such a restriction as the current generations adapted to their current living standards and it was a normal way of life. You will see the same thing happened in Russia. Things change but one should not be required to give up their cultural heritage but should learn to assimilate to a new culture that they move too. If they do not wish to assimilate then they need to stay the fuck out.
>>691337013
This is true but I really feel like remains believed they had it in the bag and just laughed off most opposition.
I think that if more people knew how successful Britain was in backing EU policies and the fact we can fucking opt out of them altogether it might have gone a different way
>>691337176
>If the Uk votes and leaves, we will invoke article 50 and have a 2 year trade discussion with all other member states of the EU then take a model based on Switzerland Norway or the EEC , all of which pay into the Eu and allow freedom of movement, we Gain the rights to govern our own laws in our kingdom , we do away with EU courts and extradition policy interference, Leaving the EU does not mean we are Free of payments to it, it does not mean we become exempt from international law and on immigration, however we become a more free people to create laws in our lands,
that's great anon, why are you so sure that you'll get these?
>>691336817
Actually I would have. If anything is proved by this referendum, it's that the close result was a product of a significant portion of undecided voters, influenced by lies on both side of the argument. It's a failure of democracy that everyone should have a say, even though some are less informed and sometimes not even competent enough to understand the implications of the choice they make. While individuals can be smart, the People are always idiots.
>>691336981
And while you make 'a go of it', we have to figure out what to do with it.
>>691332144
Time for a refreshing shower.
>>691336884
I don't disagree that migrants increase NHS spending and benefits claims, but pensions accounts for half of government spending. The incremental increases in NHS costs and benefits pales in comparison to that.
>>691332284
I prefer trains.
>>691326149
Because they're assholes. Britain came as a beggar to the EU, got their super-duper extra treatment to not have to pay more than 2/3 of contribution, got rich and now they're too selfish to give back what they got from us. Fuck you, UK, I used to love you so much but you're real assholes.
>>691337531
thats the legislative reply to the vote, and only legal options available, so until such a time presents itself that another route is made available these are our options.
>>691337098
Oh it's great. All my friends are going mental and crying about how disappointed they are. Their tears will sustain me for a long time.
>>691337176
Out of curiosity, how does the EU create laws in England?
>>691337449
As a remain voter, I was fully aware that the result could go either way. I can't answer for the other supporters of remain, but the leave supporters certainly seemed more convicted in their beliefs, perhaps meaning they were more likely to turn up and vote.
All conjecture of course. We will have to make the best of the decision that was made. Fortunately, the potential downsides of leaving are unlikely to impact me greatly.
>>691338050
I mean why are you sure that you'll get the same trade/movement privileges like for example Norway. especially now that many of the eu big heads said that you won't
>>691338299
they were pissed that the EU regulates their showerheads so they can't kill themselves with it accidentally.
>>691334300
THIS!
A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!!!!
This anon for queen od /b/ritan!
I don't work and live of the social so I honestly couldn't give a toss what happens, All I know is if they start cutting the dole money I will be pissed and start bag snatching grannies. Scotland won't ever vote for independence there is far too many prodistants still wanking over her majesty.
>>691337446
As for generations, there were two, and nobody adjusts to having relatives separated by barbed wire and landmines. Berliners?
>>691326149
Self+autonomy? Thousands of years of shared history + anti-Nazi Nazis telling you you have to take in 'Syrian refugees' would piss me off too
>>691338458
because thats the legal model other options are iceland ,EEC and The Swiss.
Bigheads cant force legal options , this referendum proves that point entirely.
>>691338963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY
>>691337807
>but pensions accounts for half of government spending
Incorrect. Social Protection (welfare including pensions and benefits) amounts to about a third of government spending, See the attached of how it is equally split up.
So no pensions are not the problem, the problem is the increase in overall spending based on numbers of people we are growing by. If you have 300k people coming into the country every year thats not 300k automatically people paying income tax.
This is where labour has failed, people != money.
If you want to put money in the coffers you must control migration and ensure that mostly skilled workers (who you know you can tax) get to come in and contribute.
>>691332504
Shhh. Stop talking sense - this is 4chan. We're fucked by rich elite (Hello Murdoch press) who convinced poor people that they needed to vote leave.
We are so fucked.
Banks have already started pulling out of London (Morgan Stanley - 2000 people) to go to Frankfurt.
>>691326149
It's about time for Norsefire.
>>691334740
Without googling- explain to me what (you think) the EU is.
>>691332907
Nigel thinking like 'lol just kidding'
>>691337588
You keep your arms and legs inside the country and act courteous to all the brown people leaving before you.
>>691340123
kek
>>691340466
finished
>>691333485
Emotions > Facts
>>691334112
Actually a fair number of people seem to be regretting their "protest" votes now.
Fuck them. This was not a general election where you don't care who wins.
This was serious - and the media on both sides didn't tell them enough that this was rather than rubbishing the other side.
Gove: "I think the people of this country are fed up with listening to experts".
Fuck him and fuck everyone who voted with him.
>>691340052
This paints a different picture, although I concede that I was looking at social protection, rather than just pensions as a portion of government spending:
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_budget_pie_chart
>>691326895
>my spirit throughout today as a continental european who believe in a paneuropean identity
Why do you care so much?
Why is it so important to you?
I am a French who recently moved to UK. I don't know if UK made the right choice for it´s citizens, but my thought was that for once in the past decades the EU may start reconcider what they are doing and what it´s people want. So far it´s only been doing just like you, blaming its opponent of being xenophobes biggots, never concidering their arguments. When you are such a self entitled asshole entity disregarding your citizens, they wonder why they should respect you in anyway.
Lets just hope that the EU takes this as an opportunity to think about it´s structure and goal. Worst case scenario it stays just as shitty as it is so why do you even care?
>>691328153
So we are not even 24 hours into something that will take 10 years + but will benefit your children and grandchildren and you start crying . Man up you fuckin southern cunt !!!
>>691333485
It's this classic
<100 IQ VS >= 100 IQ conflict
the <100 IQ camp made decisions based on feelings and voted Leave
You anti brexit pric, brecit was great forbour nation and will pay off in the long run
What you have not seen any of the movies or fiction that portray the Britain Empire as the one world ruler. They cannot become that if they are apart of another country.
>>691338021
MFW any of that is actually true. (It's not)
>>691329932
Oh sorry your right they do help themselves to money from hard working people for what ? They are human cancer , everyone knows it
>>691340950
Genuine thanks for this anon. Needed a good talking to. All my liberal bitch London friends have been poisoning me today.
>>691331743
I know that if i see 1 more fucking graph showing the top 10% of the Y axis making it look like the end of the world i will blow and accountant up and go fully ally fuckin ackbar !!!
>>691341296
We're fucked.
All so that Nigel Fucking Farage can fuck it all up for us.
A lot of leave voters did so because they were being ironically retarded.
A good amount of this referendum was just democratic shitposting.
>>691340796
fuck you too :D
No regrets here fam
the people have spoken... deal with it
>>691326149
Reason for referendum: it was promised during the general election by Cameron to garner votes to a majority government. It worked.
Why it was required: the common perception of immigration has driven the right to gather more popularity. There's legitimately stuff to worry about but it's massively overblown. This has led to an increasing demand for more control over immigration, something perceived by many to be entirely restricted by the EU diminishing the national ability to control access to the UK for migrants.
The result: people who don't know what the EU is, how it works or how its laws are implemented voted a majority because they combined with the people who wanted out for legitimately good reasons, even though those reasons are pretty much none of the ones cited by the Vote Leave campaign. People also looked at the shit Cameron was saying to encourage remain and the whole Remain campaign and though: fuck you, pricks, and spite-voted.
>>691341296
Let's see how well you do without your EU subsidies. Twats.
I see Cornwall is begging already.
>>691339568
You just lost my vote. Thanks for playing though. :)
>>691328153
I have bad news for you son. You're not alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=MU0Na9cq1As
>>691326149
2 facts :
Brittfags love their sovereignity
They felt like paying taxes for nothing
These are the two major points, I let anons explain the rest
>>691326149
let me put it like this, I pay road tax, to maintain the roads that I drive on. That tax money goes to Europe and gets put with all the other tax money, and ends up helping pay Turkey to enter the EU........ There's still fuckin potholes on the roads I drive on.
>>691338000
Trips on a train. Choo choo!
>>691341584
We now have to 'deal with it'.
>>691335460
Are you mad ? Its fuckin freezing up there , up a bit to dodge the potato's west then south and nestle in somewhere near Tenerife
>>691341654
Thank you for a well thought-out answer
barking and dagenham surprised me.
>>691336184
Well i have been in hospital all day and it was 50/50 oldies and foreign fucks
>>691326149
just a bunch of kids thinking its cool to vote and have no Idea what they are votings for as long is theres fuss about it
>>691342071
amazingly, road tax does not maintain roads. that would be council tax
>>691329580
52% of those that voted, on a 75% turnout, so roughly 37% of the electorate voted to leave. Hardly a majority.
>>691340950
sure. they will be thankful like im being thankful to my grandparents for the wars (not really. just makes me want to shit on their and your graves)
this vote will slow down UKs science (lookup what S Hawking has said about it) and fuck up decade long structures, which go beyond the science sector
>>691326895
you're probably one of the most uneducated twats on this board, and that truly is saying something
The UK has just become Europe's 'israel'.
Those stupid - stupid, lazy Britons expect us to inject billions of dollars to save their country. JUST like 'israel'. NO MORE BAILOUTS. NO MORE FUNDING.
Leave them - and Israel, to the muslim DOGS.
>>691342495
Well sure was more than voted to stay fucktard. Where was your majority, er minority. Oh that's right too busy mincing around like vapid fairies
>>691326149
What the fuck kind of flag is that OP? Was the referendum on kicking Northern Ireland out?
Stupid Americans
>>691328003
Basically same as US. Trump supporters and to a large extent Republicans blame their shitty situation immigrants and are pissed of the factory their mommy and daddies work at closed down. So they blame immigrants and bad trade deals without realizing that global financial meltdown, globalization, and emerging economies really fucked their low skilled jobs.
>>691342071
THIS FFS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>691342640
so you must be one of those unicorns who hold an advanced degree and still are voting leave.
Where did you graduate?
>>691342071
Are you that fucking retarded you believe this.
>>691341654
this is an excellent summary, personally I was annoyed with the attempted brainwashing from both sides but Dave's ultra aggressive campaign definitely back-fired spectacularly in his face
>>691326149
So what about this op?
http://streamboobs.com/senso-sapphire-p6518.html
>>691342524
Oh public school then UNI ? i shit bigger things than you .
>>691342071
great decision making skills.
that backs up my <100IQ vs >=100IQ theory
>>691340123
>Banks have already started pulling out of London (Morgan Stanley - 2000 people) to go to Frankfurt.
Nope, this has been denied by Morgan Stanley today, they just said that in the hope of scarring citizen. Get your facts straight.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-24/morgan-stanley-denies-report-it-started-moving-staff-from-london
>>691327838
most north sea oil is in international waters
the Scots wont be able to lay a finger on it without a navy :)
>>691326149
The EU is a cesspool of corruption and greed, be thankful your countries voted out
>>691343152
What he said is correct.
denmark next?
they're basicaly britains drunken stepdad
>>691340950
Are you sure you're not from deep southern Georgia? I know some lynchin' folks who you might get along with.
>>691343088
dont know what you shit but im a statistics graduate and know a lot about people having irrational fears and the disability of a high percentage of the general population to evaluate probable gain vs probable loss. especially long term
>>691326149
Does there need to be said anything? Most people who voted for Brexit were either old fucks crying in their pub about how they don't understand what globalization means and think good ol' Britain is still somehow a relevant superpower or young folk who bought into racist alternative far right fringe group propaganda.
I predict this:
>Britain will lose a lot of immigrant workers
>also will lose a lot of international students because everybody will be afraid of racist old farts shouting nonsense at them
So essentially old people and retards destroyed the future of the young people in Britain who felt more as europeans than british. And honestly I can't blame them, british culture is so embarassing I always cringe when I see the Queen or her retarded guards and Lord this, Lord that, blablabla. We're not in the 19th century where Britain actually had one of the biggest and best navys.
Also ultranational brits hated that they suddenly were at a round table with the rest of Europe.
>Wut? Us with them at the same table and we don't get to Veto anything? Blimey!
Hope we see war on the streets in the next few weeks.
>>691342929
Could not agree more!
The country will still be shit and we'll still get fucked left, right and sideways.
But at least no pigs were harmed during the making of this thread.
>>691343361
of course he is correct within his decision-making logic. in reality his argument is flawed and doesnt make any sense
As a german I gotta thank you brits.
You showed those cunts in Brussels and that cunt Merkel.
Its also entertaining to see all those butthurt pakis, leftist brits and muslims complaining.
Love to you guys. Stay strong.
Britania rules the waves!
The BBC, CBS, ABC, Al Jazeera, RT, MSN, Fox News report that 'Britons are Googling what the EU is, the day after they vote to leave it'.
Most of the people who voted 'leave', didn't even know what the EU was.
Anyhow, the British pound sterling is down to a 70-year low, and is still plummeting. Real estate and hard asset values have plunged.
In short, Britons have just committed a massive self ass-fucking. They won't be recovering from this for years - if not decades.
>>691343650
your prediction is as good as your model is.
Honestly I don't have one myself, but what can be said with certainity about it, that the EU Leaders underestimated the consequences of EU politics and its spill over effect on the Brexit vote
>>691343843
They also left because they hate germans and loathe the fact that they have to sit at the same table as them instead of having all the power.
Fuck off PEGIDA.
>>691343843
why so angry?
>>691334067
All but 2 are vaild questions. You've have hoped that people searched the others prior to the vote, but maybe they just eanted to recap.
>>691331743
Yeah about 1.3 usd, it means our exports are cheaper now. Also ftse closed up from 5 days ago
>>691343650
maybe those young people should've got off their arses and voted then. i saw nobody under 30 at my polling station
>>691344020
>In short, Britons have just committed a massive self ass-fucking. They won't be recovering from this for years - if not decades.
More like the working class fucked over the rest. With the motto if my life isn't going well so your wont either.
>>691327739
No, in 1975 we voted on whether to join what was then nine countries in a common market. This is the first vote on the EU.
>>691344429
A bit over 70% vote participation and the tight voting outcome is fucking depressing. Britons have fucked themselves in the arse and split their country right down the middle, politically speaking.
What a time to be alive.
How sad. Britain's last days, as it were.
Watch it turn into a 3rd world. Its credit rating will plunge. Debt will soar. Unemployment will soar. Heroin abuse will skyrocket. Homelessness will skyrocket. Starvation... will skyrocket.
>>691344210
It's right though. The eu is going to be crappng itself. If we leave, other powerful and economically stable nations (Germany, France etc,) will begin to think the same way. In the end, the eu will consist of Greece and other failing economies all trying to sponge off one another.
>>691344429
The problem is many younger people have more important stuff to do while taking peace and economic stability for granted.
Honestly I myself have periods, when I ban politics from my head just to focus one one thing. If I was living in UK, I think I might be one of these young people who haven't voted, because they took it all for granted
>>691344834
That's retarded.
Now Scotland's leaving with the oil, and the nuclear weapons. Incredible.
The SHAME - utter SHAME the average Briton must feel today.
I can see the reasons Brittfags decided to leave as noted above and plenty of other articles I've read.
Just seems that leaving is like burning your house down because you have a roach infestation.
The economy went to shit immediately, the pound tumbled to 70yr lows, you still have the same migration problems and will continue to have them for years to come, and nuns frankly I don't see Brittain becoming a manufacturing center of the world or have the resources to sustain itself going forward.
I'm afraid that leaving will also prompt Germany and France to leave and then the EU will be no more. But you'll still have mass migration problems but now competing weak currencies and potential for conflict. WW3 appears to be in order.
Thanks for turning Brittain into the Mexico of Europe. Enjoy the deluge of American tourists
Apparently Russia's now threatening Sanctions and Tariffs on the UK.
>>691344723
The vote was too important and required too much knowledge as that it should be given to public evaluation.
Imagine making such a vote on NATO bases. The whole west would be fucked with such fuckery
I voted out because I wanted to see some shit happen. Nothing really significant has happened in the world for decades.
I want to see some broken economies and wars and shit, harden up the sissy faggots that this much peace breeds.
I'd vote Trump if I could, too. Just because he's the most likely person to cause wars
>>691329647
Being America's lapdog? No that doesn't sound awsome at all mate. I'd rather the UK be a joint leader in the EU tbh...
>>691344431
I can understand the frustration tbh. With the recent panama leaks and all the shit before I am angry as well about the rampant corruption and greedy businessmen stuffing their own pockets full of cash and not giving back to the country. I mean we had so many tax evaders that were caught, it had to explode at some point.
>>691344020
>Britons are Googling what the EU is, the day after they vote to leave it
Either that....... Or an awful lot of Brits might have been interested in what the result of the referendum was?
Just a theory....
>>691333454
This, like, fuck up
>>691331889
does this girl have 3 front teeth? wtf
>>691344977
That's dumb. One, there's not that much oil left, AND, we're quickly moving away from fossil fuels.
The weapons are ours, we'll just move them to England. Providing a boost to wherever they end up.
>>691344977
hmm nope sorry, no shame here m8
but please do keep on crying about this all week... it's extremely entertaining XD
>>691344139
Oh come on. Most people who voted leave love PEGIDA. They even recreated it in England.
>>691326149
It's pretty simple if you are British to choose a choice that benefits Britain directly, we have full control over our borders and our sovereignty remains.
Fuck the feelings of Angela merk-shill
Anyone criticising the decision to make England great again, is just stupid, it's better for our economy long term, it's the long term smart descision
>>691342071
I was writing something really funny but I had to delete it to tell you what a dumb cunt you are. I'll be around next time to collect your road tax.
>>691326149
Fucking niggers and Sand niggers
>>691345214
I agree. Cameron should've never called for a Referendum. Too many uneducated retards. Referendum should only be recognized when 2/3 of the population voted for either one side.
Look at the fucking fallout only today. Pound plummeted to a point where it hasn't been in 30 years. Cameron stepped down. Rest of EU can't fucking believe it.
The political and economical ramifications will be felt for years, possibly. Bad day.
>>691345420
because it's not all over every piece of media, smacking you as soon as you wake up?
>hurr durrrrrrr I'm gonna googling eu to see brexit outcome 'cus I don't know wha' happen durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hurrrrrr
goddam troll, 1/10 for making me reply
>>691336325
Just think of this gif as sarcastic critique of that man and all Brexit fools who've made the rest of my life on this shitty island just that bit harder
>>691345031
Relax essay. It's all gud mon.
>>691343843
You really are a generation of idiots. Your parents pampered you in any possible way, you have video games, cars, computers, etc. You turned out so weak that you love nationalism, something we went to great effort to turn away. You fucking pussies are breaking our hardly fought for freedom because you believe that beyond it, there is more freedom. You really are a generation of stupid cunts with your chauvinistic attitudes. Fuck you.
>>691343088
You should probably not eat as much then.
If you have to brag, there's nothing worth bragging about.
>>691346112
>>691346112
I agree that it was too tight to call, and the turnou should have been higher. Cameron never xpected to lose thoughh
>>691346306
that's proven to be the most worthless generation in the entire west.
they should be purged. I mean that, the entire generation. destroy them.
>>691345707
True. The problem with that is though, that nationalists can only be friends for a short while. Now that the british nationalists achieved their goal they will be right back to hating the germans again.
And everyone else that isn't part of their delusional empire.
>>691326149
If you'd rather watch/listen than read, this covers most of the Leave sentiment pretty well.
"Brexit: The Movie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
p.s. Between now and the time they figure out how to actually use Article 50 of the Treaty count on the bankers to punish the fuck out of Britain for daring to stand up to them.
>>691341654
Nailed it.
>>691345031
These fucking peasants forgot what the EU was for. Peace and prosperity. Yes, it has become a shithole of bureaucrats and I loathe that. But like WC said about democracy, it's shit but there is no better alternative.
Burning down the house because of roach infestation is the right image. What a bunch of sad tossers.
>>691343212
Yeah, but that's a conflict that would take place in boardrooms I think. NATO just took a huge hit with the Brexit thing, so Scotland has all the leverage.
>>691346112
The pound wS going to plummet anyway. It will recover. It's a blip. Nothing to be concerned about. I hold investments. Nothing I've seen is making me worry. Cameron was a smarmy git, and deserved to go long before he did,
>>691344834
What, you mean like Greece, fucked by the EU? You can get a bj for the price of a sandwich there.
If you look at pictures of the returners versus the brexiters or whatever, you can see what's going on.
The brexiters are stupid. You can see it in this stupid faces.
>>691345499
wut?
>>691346657
That's dumb. The U.K. Is ice financial centre of the world.
>>691346214
hey man, if you think the islands shitty then get the fuck off it.
>>691346652
Exactly. It's back to case one. I'm enraged, really. My father helped building the EU as a peace project. Those fucking dunces have no idea where our fathers came from, where they started. They think Hitler and Mussolini were cool guys and that EU is a tiranny. Maybe they really need to live through one.
>>691346802
Brexit does not affect NATO. The EU and NATO are completely separate entities.
>>691346163
MFW the 1st thing I did this morning was... Sit on toilet, shit, piss, light cigarette and get my phone out to google EU.
Check and Mate!
>>691326149
The EU is completely undemocratic.
>>691346880
Trust me, I hate Cameron as much as the next guy, but what is the alternative? Farrage McFuckface? Öet's ignore the retarded memes about him for one second and be real. That guy is a walking political disaster and will never get enough votes. Allthough maybe after today I shouldn't say never.
>>691347134
Tell that to almost 50% of the voters. Either way if Boris ends up prime minister then it's worth all of us getting off it
>>691347027
It's the countries with the weakest economies that are call g us 'stupid'. The strongest economies eg Germany, are worried for themselves
>>691345322
We could have a new eu. The English Union connected by common language and culture. Together we could do more then hurler ever aspired to do
>>691346798
It isn't democratic. No one voted for junker
>>691347248
That's because you're the face of Brexit. An undereducated fool, who doesn't even know what the EU is. A typical Brexiter.
