How did you vote?
Stay or Leave?
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10564476
Remain. Big time.
>>691131674
Voted leave.
My postal vote was to leave.
remain
>>691131674
52 to 28 in favor of Brexit so far
bump
>>691132138
>>691132221
Why do you faggots want to leave? I mean what could you possibly gain by going?
>>691131674
I thought brits were smarter than to leave the EU just because they're butthurt that the UK is not the "great" nation it used to be.
There is no actual advantage for either the EU or UK in favor of brexit.
>>691133122
Some people just want to watch the world burn I guess
>>691133100
>>691133122
you cannot vote for the eu president, you can vote for an MEP and one will get elected (usually the one who has business interests in the EU for when his term ends) who has to go against 27 other MEP's from different nations to decide whether a law gets passed that affects all of their home nations, never mind the drastically different cultures of these nations. The MEP's in the eu commission then vote themselves on the 3 presidents, not the public. 59% of laws are passed by the EU this way, we will never have the right to appeal or create new laws or legislations as we can with parliament. Magna carta will be undone.
77% of all vetos made against eu laws on the UK were ignored, and 80% since david cameron was in power.
Thats why, because I want me, and possibly my future family and my extended family and kin and countrymen to live in a democratic society, not a dystopian, totalitarian super state.
>>691134098
>691134098
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILTIDr4Ra8
This video shows it well, unfortunately, people are happy to hand their liberty over believing they are unracist, progressive and believe the buzz scares of a another recession, even though if you bothered to look up the data, we have had a recession every decade, except this one thus far.
How are people so easily fooled. When Britain first joined the EU it was only for trade and thats what the first referendum reflected.
Not fucking laws and regulations, I'd be willing to bet all these politicians suddenly citing work dont have a clue how the data was obtained or what it even means, just left wing sheep repeating what someone else told them.
GAH
>>691134416
>progressive
This is the key word. Everyone thinks that you always need to advance to something better and it will benefit all. Absolute shit
>>691133100
Brussels isn't democratic organisation, and I like having representation with the government that rules, the non-democratic EU wants to become a federal government and to replace NATO with its own army. So I have plenty of reasons to vote out. Why would I vote to kill democracy in my country? I hope I’m wrong about the way the EU is going but I’m not will to take that chance.
>>691134774
I'm not fooled, I voted to remain because of these facts, not in spite of them. And today the nation will affirm it's belief in the same thing.
Britain is in Europe to stay.
>>691135500
>And today the nation will affirm it's belief in the same thing.
Good luck with that
>>691135500
see
>>691134416
>>691134098
unless handing over your liberty and right to democracy was your intent. I dont want to insult anyone, alot on IN campaigners are calling us racists and whatever but no one seems to know this fact, either side of the argument. Liberty and democracy are worth dying for.
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
Voted remain.
>>691132127
But why?
Why do you like to give your hard earned money to german and frecnh bankers?
>>691137127
jesus christ
>>691137389
If you pardon the pun
Swissfag reporting in
LEEEAAAAVEEEE my fellow anglos fucking LEEEAAAAVEEE
>>691136738
It doesn't help that the racists are kind of loud about it. I've done a bit of research today out of curiosity since I'm an amerifat and couldn't vote anyway. There seem to be some valid reasons to leave but I had to do some digging to get past "hur dur sand-niggers" reasoning. I'm not sure how I'd vote if I had the chance, but I'm glad I know a little more about it.
>>691133100
The only thing I've learned about EU, is that it gives bigger fishing ratios to Belgium, Spai and Italy than it does to UK.
That's bullshit.
Leave backers that use immigration as an argument are fucking autistic.
If the UK want's to trade with the EU it's going to have to negotiate a deal. In that deal we'll most likely have to allow freedom of movement, just like Iceland, Norway and Switzerland does.
i am so fucking scared to read the news tomorrow, people who vote leave are, by large, morons...those that vote stay are by large, tax paying members of society
INB4 i have a job and i voted leave because a) fuck you, mcdonalds doesn't count and b) no one believes you fi you say you have anything better than that and voting leave
>>691137601
"The only thing I've learned about the EU"
Then go do more fucking research if that's all you know.
>>691137601
that stopped in 2007, we no longer have fishing quotas you knob
>>691137766
except Switzerland doesnt
>>691137974
Are you a disability?
>>691137884
Go to your GP and get some cream for your butt hurt.
>>691137884
Eng-cuck wants his mom (he will never have kids himself) fucked by shit skins. Enjoy your Sharia dumbass
>>691137127
The EU IS the devil you don't know, you stupid bastard.
>>691137972
it has blocked fishing ports around the uk yet has greater amount of fish being imported from outside the uk by european countries without blocks, usually poorer countres with cheaper labor. Google and research this for yourself, if you're adult enough to vote, you dont need me wiping your arse with citations.
>>691137884
>people who vote leave are, by large, morons
bit of a general classification
>>691137884
Sleep soundly, tomorrow nothing will have changed.
>>691137884
its great that my engineering factory with trained english professionals all voted leave, every single one.
Its also great that the unskilled laborers who work their are made up mainly of polish women, will likely vote stay, but did not disclose this to anyone.
Isn't democracy great, shame it wont exsist if we stay.
>>691134098
>>691138313
Lmao, you think leaving the EU will stop Musilms from coming to the UK? Only 180,000 Migrants in the UK are actually from the EU, only 2% of them are Muslim. 190,000 Are from outside the EU with 47% being Muslim.
since when did /b/ become hijab city? why so many remainers here
>>691137375
Because the perks & benefits of being a European citizen outweigh the occasional minor inconveniences.
Good job voting to leave, I guess you don't like free/affordable health care, tax affordable imports/exports, democracy, and a stable economy
>>691138655
and who lets them in with extremely relaxed laws, who allows the food and shelter, who allows them houses to live in and education... hmmmmm... i wonder who and i wonder why people outside the eu would go to this magical place, and not Russia, the arab emirates, japan, china, australia, new zealand, usa
>>691136690
I don't need luck, it's happened.
You'll see it tomorrow with your corn flakes fellow European.
>>691138621
You can't vote if you don't have a British passport, I doubt they do. With intellect like your's we should get a referendum to deport you.
why i voted leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJSeeC904k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yb4lR-XUs
>>691138799
why is no one reading this? Is the perk of losing you democracy an outweigh of inconveniences?
>>691134098
>>691138925
EU Laws which concern freedom of movement etc only apply to EU citizens.
>>691137375
It's kinda hard to win over status quo with arguments like these
>>691131827
Five grand fine for photographing your polling card moron
>>691139090
I'm not losing democracy, I'm diversifying the base of the democracy that I'm a part of. So no loss there.
>>691138960
most of the women there are married to english men are have been here for several years, it takes 5 years and minimal requirement to stay, most of them work hard and likely have their citizenship, unlike their family and friends back in poland.
By making absurd assumptions like that, I'm surprised you made it to the polling station and didn't get lose, did someone offer you a pen and you phoned the police in response by any chance, as well?
>>691139152
i didnt mention freedom of movement, I mentioned housing, clothing, education, and feeding. And i think the no freedom of movement unless you're an eu citizen really worked on those refugees.
u r a n o b
>>691139376
you cannot vote for the fucking presidents on the eu which pass our laws, what part of that dont you understand? What the fuck are you diversifying?
what does this "base of democracy" even mean, do you even know what you're talking about?
>>691139518
Kek
>anon bringing heat
>>691139695
We might not but I surely trust them more than our government who fails to do any good for the past few years with minor exceptions. At least EU are created in order to support equality, freedom and fairness. (With exceptions of course)
>>691139998
>to support equality, freedom and fairness
>>691140207
Prove him wrong. Make it funny.
>>691139695
You cannot vote for who is our prime minister, you cannot vote for civil service mandarins. That's not how representative democracy works.
Through being an integral part of Europe we introduce checks and balances to the democratic process of all member states by having a much broader and more diverse range of opinions, views and philosophies represented in the legislative and executive bodies.
>>691139695
Can you vote for your queen?
>>691131674
I allways wonder, what the world would look like, if europe would become like the usa in terms of the connection between states. having an own country and all is nice, but what if the true european countries would form a united government, like the us president over the us states? if the patriotism of every country switches to a patriotism of "being european"?
don't really know how to formulate my thoughts right, am a bit drunk.gif sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
i voted remain because thunderf00t, john oliver, and david cameron told me to.
>>691139998
59% of laws are passed by the eu, our government is the EU, how poorly educated are you?
>>691140313
you can vote for the representative of the party you favour and their MP's, that is a fact. You cannot vote for the MEP representative in the EU commission, nor the one of the three presidents in the EU(which arent MEP's), that is a fact.
What checks and balances to the democratic process are given to us? If the uk a primarily conservative nation doesnt want turkey to invade them as the (turkish prime minister has actually threatened look it up) and join the eu but the other nations do, we have to suffer what their different politically inclined nations want, how is that good for a states social moral, living conditions and welfare, if its forced something it doesnt want.
>>691140630
can the queen run the country? can the queen change laws? can the queen control the military, the surveillance, the banks, the police, the boarders?
why do i need to vote for a queen again?
Leave. Fuck the eu.
>>691140722
you mean so that in future one would say instead of: "I'm german / french / british /...", rather just "I'm european" and views europe as whole, as his home, instead of just one country etc?
would create a bit more union amongst each other, yea. however I doubt that any country/it's citizens would want to give up their government, for an all europe government that that does not feel responsible to be nice to specifically one (their home-) country.
>>691141256
The queen is actually the supreme commander of the army, and the head of the church. She is unelected, and lives a billionaire's life from your tax money. Tell me more about the evil, oppressing EU.
>>691141256
what is your queen even fucking good for?
>>691134098
But in the UK, we don't elect our Prime Minister either - unless we happen by chance to live in the constituency he is standing in.
Hell - in 2010, we didn't even elect any of the actual parties either. But still, the career politicians went in behind closed doors, made deals, and then came out saying that <50 individuals had decided on who will rule the country.
And they didn't even go back to the voter to then seek a mandate for their decision, and changed the laws of the land to ensure they could not be removed for 5 years.
The EU is so big, and with so many different factions, it is much more difficult - and more expensive - to corrupt than the tiny clique of UK politicians.
ITT: closet remain voters acting like snobs again
Leave.
>>691141731
Tourism
Y'all Leave motherfuckers are forgetting why the UK is in the EU to begin with. The UK joined, because after WW2, they thought they'd rise up like a phoenix smelling of rotten teeth and Beefeater, but the economy went to shit, and the UK became more and more insignificant. So they joined up, and it worked, they're now the 5th largest economy. And now they want to leave, go their own way, because it worked so well in the past.
>>691141124
Like the Stones said, you can't always get what you want. Being an integral part of the greatest socio-political union the planet has ever known is actually a high point in British history. We are greater now than we have ever been and together with our partners in our Union we will become greater still. Because of our diversity. I voted remain and I absolutely assure you, without a second's doubt that this country has voted to remain as well.
We are Europe!
>>691131674
Stay. Don't give a shit about migrants, I know lots of them and they're just people like everyone else. I know just as many cunts with British passports who are a fucking threat to this country and immigrants.
Plus, it makes way better financial sense.
>>691141878
who's in the closet?
I voted remain, I'm pleased as punch to be a European citizen and wouldn't give it up for some old men's fantasies.
>>691142101
This guy gets it.
Moreover: Berlin and Paris has this shit planned out for the next 20 years, how they're going to deflate that financial bubble that's London, that happens to keep the UK economy afloat. Gon be hilarious.
>>691142029
I detect a degree of bait in the delivery, but that is pretty much the case... Yes.
>>691142403
Not bait.
Brexiters be like GIMME BACK MUH FREEDOM!!
>nobody took it from you
>Berlin and Paris will suck away your financial sector
>Northern Ireland and Scotland will seced
>Berlin will become the most influental
>federalisation will finally begin
I don't get the whining because of a federal Europe, I'd even get behind a one world government, if my freedoms were comparable to the ones I have now. Same goes to a federal Europe.
>>691142290
I dont really have a car in this race, being american, but i have noticed alot of people voting remain are terrified of the economical ramifications which might, or might not happen. NPR here in the states had a story yesterday about the brexit, and they were talking to a french guy who had a business in the uk, and i thought it was funny because he was talking about remain, and i was sotting there thinking, "dude you dont get a vote, and you just want to keep your business."
>>691141602
>>691141602
the queen has aboslutely zero authorative control over the army, its merely an old title that ensures their tradition is honoured because in some way they obviously still have alot of wealth and masked financial power. I am not a support of them.
>>691141876
david cameron stood for conservative, he won. The forerunner of the party who is elected becomes priminister, what is hard is difficult to understand there?
You will never receive a poll card, an email or a letter asking for your vote on the MEP commissioner of your country or the president of the eu, ever.
A large country is much easier to corrupt, their will be major political tension between competing states unhappy with the laws and deals they are given, anger of upholding failing states (SPAIN, greece) and since they are made up of a gigantic contingency the eu parliament is very poorly understood and hard to grasp by the average person, let alone the thousands of legislation and policies they have on everything around us. A tiny government is easy to read and easily transparent, and complex one made up of very culturally inflicting governments, jointly ruled by unelected leaders is the definition of corruption.
If you cannot see this, i dont know what shed of information could make you understand any better.
>>691142101
nice troll post. saying buzz words and phrases without any actual facts is a great compaign the IN funde- oh the tax payer funded sorry.
>being part of the slowest growing great enconomy
>>691143183
>saying buzz words and phrases without any actual facts
>TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK
>TAKE CONTROL
>DIS GON BE BRITAIN'S INDEPENDENCE DAY
>etc.
>>691142370
the uk financial centre wont move from london if it remains in the eu, nor would it move if we left, why would it when its international banking corporation that owns most nations outside the eu?
I'm voting leave because I want to see the economy go to shit and eventually have the UK become Greece. I can't wait for the chaos that awaits...
>>691143183
>nice troll post. saying buzz words and phrases without any actual facts is a great compaign the IN funde- oh the tax payer funded sorry.
Not agreeing with you ≠ trolling. And aain, I assure you that come the morning you and I will both remain proud European citizens. Stronger Together!
>>691143616
how about these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k
or this
>>691134416
I read the IN campaign leaflets and watched the progaganda, why were the stastics and facts not founded on real evidence like these were, they were only giving projections of what large business owners, ministers and bankers thought might happen, but not the fact that:
>>691134098
I happened to up very early this morning so I was the first person to reach the polling station at 07:00 and was second to vote, I allowed an old guy who turned up with his military medals and beret on, got talking to him after we voted and he was a WW2 and Suez Veteran, he told me that he didn't want to see everything we fought for "given away", so glad I voted to leave.
>>691134416
>we have had a recession every decade, except this one thus far.
Easy to dismiss that as no big thing when you've only lived through one, huh?
>>691138227
Is this for real?
>>691143830
stay if you want that, i thought greece were in the eu? i must be wrong
>>691143900
we likely will, without liberty of democracy, thank you for destroying the future of unity and freedom and forcing us into a brave new world
Voted remain
>>691138925
This. But I do want to say-- the US IS resettling a lot of refugee families. And Orlando was the result of our lax gun laws. So in a way, it's easier for them to leech the system and shoot us all. Because m-muh constitution.
The upside to that is they're trying to terrorize people who also have guns. As we see at the Walmart in Amarillo.
>>691144219
it shows that, seeing the state of the eu, its extremely slow economical growth and its rising unemployment, that it will likely hit either way, independent of either action.
>>691144252
>we likely will, without liberty of democracy, thank you for destroying the future of unity and freedom and forcing us into a brave new world
The democracy is there if you engage it, do so and you will ensure the freedom and the unity of something much greater for the future.
Stronger Together!
>>691131674
I can already see it happening
> 5:00 cameron waits for the result, sweat in his face
>5.30 it's official, brexit is happening
>5:45 britbongs are on the streets celebrating.
>6:00 drunks and union jacks everywhere
>8:00 london stock trading hours begin
>8:15 british companies move to frankfurt and dublin
>>691144510
what democracy is there if i engage it? How can i possibly engage it, send a self hand made vote in the post to the EU parliament office?
>>691144154
Our Union is what the men of his generation fought for writ large and we will continue to expand it in their memory.
>>691141957
/thread
>wham bam thank you maam
>>691143183
>You don't get to vote for EU Prez! Corrupt!
>Okay, you might not get to vote for Cameron, either, but you can vote for his party of politicians (like in the EU....)
>Okay, fine, multiple parties who failed to get elected are able to rig the system behind closed doors so that one of them can crown themselves the winner, but still...
>DEMOCRACY!!
>>691141957
kek
>>691142908
>Northern Ireland and Scotland will secede
Has anyone in y'alls parliament actually addressed this concern?
>>691143676
That's bullshit, the London financial sector in large part became so inflated, because it's an EU capital. If the UK exits, Germany and France might just impose a tax raise on them, and tax cuts if they move to the EU. Don't be naive.
>>691144022
I've watched Thunderf00t debunk that shit. The red flags started going up at the beginning, with the so called "pillow regulations", those faggots just collected every single regulation that contained the word "pillow". Needless to say, most have nothing to do with actual pillows. And that's just fucking disingenuous. If you really have such great arguments in favor of leaving, why lie and mislead?
>>691143183
>>being part of the slowest growing great enconomy
3% growth of £1000 means you have got richer than your neighbour who got 15% growth of £100. And yet the media fools simpletons daily by feeding you percentage figures like they are a flat-rate increase.
So how over is Cameron's career?
>>691145045
they can't just decide to "secede". Scotland already had a failed independence referendum and the NI's are pretty happy as it is
>>691131674
Threw in a vote for Brexin. I'm neither British nor have any idea who he is though. :^)
>>691131674
Pretty fucking close. Almost 50-50 on here. It's gonna be one hell of a tight finish.
>>691145272
Not at all. Boris & (particularly) Gove might have a few issues though!
That said, I can see Cameron standing down as PM regardless. He did say before the election he wouldn't finish this term as leader.
>>691144863
The EU doesnt even need to rig, it cant be exposed, its protected by the fact we dont have a say on its government in the first place. It was clear that cameron and conservative would win after everyone was pissed off with labour for the last 15 years.
You cannot vote for the MEP who enters the eu commission where the laws are made, the MEPs in the eu coalition have no say, they are merely spectators to laws and legislation passed.
I never once said you cannot vote for cameron, i said you can vote for the party and their represented leader who is usually the governing face of your choice, will be put into power, cameron had been there since 2005.
What are you struggling to understand? Do you maybe have dyslexia, or are you just playing dumb?
I really want that Britain leaves EU so it will proves to the world it's a bad idea
And here in France we will don't have to hold all the migrants anymore to avoid that they go to your country
>>691145432
That's the last I heard about Scotland's secession, that the vote didn't pass. Would it really be that detrimental to y'alls economy if either of those countries were finally able to leave? Are you guys supporting them or are they supporting you?
out out out
>>691144613
You really think all those companies are going to jump out of the UK....!?, you really are an idiot, do you really think it would happen that fast!?, do you really not think HM Gov hasn't made contingency plans, the political class will not allow the UK to sink because they have too much invested in it staying afloat.
You really are a one dimensional thinker.
>>691145635
I don't think it'll be that tight, wider margin than the Scots referendum anyway.
>>691131674
Im not a cowardly sheep easily brainwashed with fearmongering by corporate owned politicians so :Leave was the only choice for a stronger Brittan.
>>691145893
Rats abandon a sinking ship, even if the ship has their nest on board.
>>691137884
Daily Mail reader detected.
>>691145084
Germany who relies on the UK for its biggest importer and trade partner will not impose taxes and possibly lose huge financial gains. The international banks also have banks in all nations bar north korea and iran and those nations are in debt to them, the eu relying on their bailouts and hand outs will not impose tax on them, since they run the world essentially, dont be naive.
>>691145084
oh the fact that the EU buys votes by funding club houses of the fishermen to do trade, yet bans them from fishing in their local waters and allows fish from countries with lower labor costs flood the market, they are keeping dead industries alive just to keep support, its completely false. They let butter and flour rot to stop a surplus of food lowering food price market, which would of cost millions for the businesses and share owners of those markets, that is a disgusting use of power and false market manipulation.
>>691145228
the media is funded by the government, not everyone is aware it is the slowest growing super economy, bric, usa, japan oceana, middle east are far richer.
>>691145715
I don't know what you got up to, but I elected an MEP when I had the opportunity to vote.
The MEPs help to put in place the regulations and frameworks, which are enacted by the commission.
Exactly the same as how the final say on UK laws is from the unelected, partial-theocracy of the House of Lords.
>>691144816
They did not fight to become vassals to a faceless un-elected superstate
>>691139367
I have a mate who did that. Can i report them for shits and giggles ?
I heard that staying means you'd share a border with Syria, since Turkey kind of weaseled into the Union. How did you guys let that happen? How do your politicians see that shitshow happening, and just let them right into the union anyways? Didn't they just extort 3 billion euros from y'all too?
>yeah sure we'll take the refugees back and curb their re-entry
>if you bend over and take it up the ass because fuck you were never going to do that
>>691146099
>not easily brainwashed
you know how that sounds, right?
hope the brits leave the eu. so fucking annoying, they always got special deals for them and still they were always complaining.
if you are not a team player the quit the team.
so just leave.
>>691146583
It is neither faceless nor unelected, it is however a super state of a united and peaceful Europe.
>MFW People don't realize crossing the box with a PEN counts as a SPOILT vote. Only pencils count.
This will have a huge effect on the final result.
>>691146451
EU is the wealthiest trading bloc on the planet. Its smaller percentage increase in growth results in a higher net gain, but the gap is naturally closing: nobody really believes in eternal, uninterrupted growth.
>>691146099
I see what you did there.
To any Britbongs.
Take this, probably last chance to leave the sinking ship, you're already on the lifeboat, you lucky island nation you. Your country is among the few that can do it and come out better in the long run. You can't change crud from within, the MEPs are in too much debt to their employer, the EU.
While us, eastern eu countries do benefit from the whole deal, that won't last forever either, as the funds currently pumped into the region for "bringing it up to speed" are wasted on useless showoff projects, or flushed down the drain of endless bureocratic process and open corruption. I want my country to have a better standard of living, but only if it happens by elevating ours, not pulling down yours.
See you on the other side. Hungarianbong here, over and out.
>>691146731
What? This seems incorrect
CTRL + F SHOWS:
REMAIN: 16 Votes
LEAVE: 25 Votes
Leave has a 2/3rd lead. If the final national results don't follow a similar patten then something VERY suspicious has happened in the polling booths.
>Britain leaves EU
>Trump is the new US president
WW3 incoming
>>691147017
Did you vote in pencil so MI5 can rub it out later?
>>691146731
Tried to take a pen in with me when I voted and two of the staff practically pounced on me telling me that only a pencil counts.
>>691147017
>Leave has a 2/3rd lead. If the final national results don't follow a similar patten then something VERY suspicious has happened in the polling booths.
The state of mind of Anons, especially ones who browse /pol/, is very very different to the state of mind of the average voter.
>>691147017
Nigger, 4chan is by no means a dependable analog for any national population.
>pro brexit
>>691146613
It's already done shit for brains.
>>691147017
i bet you studied mathematics and have a deep understanding of variance.
or it's just the old notsureifstupidortrolling.jpg
>>691146987
It is. It's caused largely by spakkers on both sides deciding that the fact pencils were provided in the polling booths was evidence that MI5/FSB/Deuxieme some other agency would "change" their vote.
There really are a LOT of mongs out there.
>>691145820
NI is an economic blackhole - money goes in, doesn't come out.
Even the ROI recognises this, hence the running joke "We want a unified 32 counties, but we can't afford them."
>>691147122
Summerfag detected.
If Trump wins, America will become the bestest of friends with Russia and finally conquer Constantinople. Britain will also be the last bastion of christendom unspoilt by dirty mudskins.
GTFO kike
>>691147319
So you have to vote by pencil?
>>691147017
I can assure you, with no prior knowledge whatever required, that the national vote will not be in any way shape or form similar to the /b/ vote.
>>691133100
Leave is the only real choice. There are some advantages to staying, however, doing so will result in everyone's national identity being eroded away. If you want to be a citizen of Europe, then vote to stay, if you want to live in a proud and independent UK, it must be without the EU.
>>691145893
nah but what's really going to happen is:
the uk gets the same deal norway and switzerland have.
free trade in exchange for making most eu laws into national law. but without a word to say about it. basically everything the uk hates, but worse.
>>691136738
Sound awful american there bro, god bless.
freedom or die
>>691147509
No.
>>691141731
The royal family has a shit load of land that they allow the government to use and generate profit.
this amounts to roughly £200 mil per year, in return for a fix annual 'salary' of £40mil.
Then you through in the all the grants tourism and and royal branding etc. etc. and you come to around £1.155 BILLION revenue add to the economy (this is 2015 figures)
so they have their value.
also i voted to leave, i believe it will be better in the long run for growth.
>>691147491
Christianity is a desert religion.
>>691147573
Nah, what's really gonna happen is... No change.
>>691147261
Did Ahmed shit in your brunch this morning lad you sound awful shitcunty
>>691147017
Holliand is already talking about holding a Leave Vote. If britian leaves the EU falls apart. Illuminati cuks will not allow that to happen. Too much money. to lose.
Vote doesn't matter UK is staying in the EU regardless of what people want.
>>691131674
stay
>>691147535
It isn't, I had the choice and I chose to stay.
So... umm... yeah.
>>691147682
Sure as hell would rather have a desert religion that protects our heritage than car bombs walking around primary schools you utter shitcunt
>>691146515
actually, the MEP's vote for a common MEP to stand in the commission, the commission a given proposed laws by the presidents, and propose their own and must all agree on them in a majority. So seeing how culturally different these nations are, with their own needs and social and economical requirements, how is it sane to treat them all the same? You didnt get to vote for what MEP you wanted in the inner european commission(unless by change the particular one u liked got voted in by the others) and you didnt not get to vote on the presidents who are the final voice of these laws and legislations, so no it is not exactly the same, since the president is supposed to be a representative of, say, our own primeminister, the only difference is, we choose and vote for him directly and his MPs.
>>691146731
we will get told if this happens and we will protest.
>>691146739
its the wealthiest trading bloc because every other nation works of the worlds common economic standard, not much competition there for the EU trading bloc and other trading blocks.
Its net gain and export is tiny compared to the rest of the worlds nations, its actually laughable how small we are compared to japan, china, usa, brazil, switzerland, australia.
The higher net gain is no good representative when we have failing states like spain and greece and unemployment and refugee crisis' to fork out for constantly. Its a few holding up the many and we all have to suffer due to this.
>>691147575
ah yes, call me an American as some kind of insult as you hand your rights over, laugh at me if you will. Arent we constantly lectured in schools how important it is, and how our men died fighting wars to uphold this virtue?
>>691147232
>>691147622
>also i voted to leave, i believe it will be better in the long run for growth.
That's so risky, Anon. But you know your stuff.
I'd like to add though, wouldn't britbong leaving significantly affect tourism? Free movement would be gone.
>>691147491
>unspoilt
>Calais
whoops.
>>691141876
Lets see....a small group of uk politicians that are elected and held to account by the public is supposedly "corruptable"{, but a large group of unelected representatives that aren't accountable to anybody are supposedly not?
British columbia and Ontario both put forward bills to pass a HST that expanded the PST onto GST only goods and vice versa, and here's what happened. the big liberal government of Ontario went right ahead and implemented it in spite of the people being heavily against it, and were able to get away with it because Ontario has no recall legislation, and the public sector unions make sure they win the elections by locking down the GTA, so they don't have to listen to the people. British columbia on the other hand, tried the very same hamfisted approach to it, but they had a recall legislation. First step was to get 10% of the vote from each riding to hold a referrendum, which they achieved, and the next step was to get 40% of the vote to recall a politician and trigger a byelection. guess what happened? the government backed off on the HST, and they actually have one of the lowest taxed region in Canada in spite of having liberals in control, because they are held accountable, while Ontario has the exact opposite because they are not held accountable, and even have the highest subsovereign debt in the world Hell, Ontario was the economic engine and a have province before the unaccountable liberals took over and turned it into a welfare state.
>>691147970
Anon, some people dont understand the importance of freedom. Youve got your head on right man. What is life, with no freedom?
>>691148158
>this
>>691148023
Do you need a visa for a one week stay?
>>691148158
So, my point is that it isn't the size of the government that makes it corruptable, but the ability to hold them account. Even our federal government had a scandal in the Senete because there was no accountability on spending.
>>691144234
Yes, faggot.
Freedom of movement and the single market go hand in hand, anyone who tells you you can have one without the other is retarded.
>>691147970
>actually, the MEP's vote for a common MEP to stand in the commission, the commission a given proposed laws by the presidents, and propose their own and must all agree on them in a majority. So seeing how culturally different these nations are, with their own needs and social and economical requirements, how is it sane to treat them all the same? You didnt get to vote for what MEP you wanted in the inner european commission(unless by change the particular one u liked got voted in by the others) and you didnt not get to vote on the presidents who are the final voice of these laws and legislations, so no it is not exactly the same, since the president is supposed to be a representative of, say, our own primeminister, the only difference is, we choose and vote for him directly and his MPs.
Okay, you convinced me - that is actually a vastly MORE democratic system than the House of Lords.
Thanks for clearing it up.
>>691148026
>Geography
>Calais is French
Hit the books since it troubles you to name basic non-British places.
>>691148427
so thats why the eu is so corrupt, you cannot hold anyone to account, they are massively protected
>>691148158
Who gives a toss about canada? your like the kid who gets into school because of affirmative action. sod off.
>>691147889
Christianity replaced your heritage with its superstitions from the desert.
You are nothing but an adherent of Islam mk I.
>>691147798
Enjoy it while you are able. If the less wise have their way, Brussels will be making your choices for you soon enough.
>>691148427
>we the people have the ability to hold congress accountable for any of their actions
good one
>>691140630
>implying this is the same thing
>being this fucking retarded
>>691148572
And in a different league from the appointment of "mandarins" who are probably the people who REALLY run the country.
>>691148594
Unless I'm mistaken, Calais shares a border with British territory and that's how most of the refugees are smuggling into your country.
Unless I'm mistaken, you missed the point entirely.
>>691148158
>Canada
dude, Canada is just a fishing company set up to fund the various war debts and gambling habits of successive kings of England.
>>691140281
It is the opposite of freedom when you have un-elected, unaccountable rulers creating laws that govern your life.
So yeah, claiming that it supports freedom isn't just laughable, it's scary as fuck that people are so completely ignorant to the implications of this.
VOTE LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ive been unemployed since school. how can i get a job when immigrants work for £3 an hour. i cant work for that little even though i have no skills or much of value to offer and it's bad enough that theres no jobs in this country
i would have voted Leave today if i had registered to vote
>>691147232
great argument, fortunately you're too young to vote
>>691148572
oh is it, im sure the house of lords has many unelected prime ministers in them, and im sure the EU definitely allows you to have parliamentary laws enacted and voted on when they are in office, just like we can do.
Well done for clearing up that remain voters literally cannot undertand their vote being taken away
>>691148635
Because sometimes you have you have to look abroad and see if the idea has been tried, failed, and the reason it failed, so one doesn't make the same mistake(s). If you like being told what to do without any say or sovereignty, then the EU is exactly where the UK belongs.
>>691149031
>>691149031
>i would have voted Leave today if i had registered to vote
you're a cunt. While I hope we leave, you deserve whatever misfortune befalls you, you lazy sack of shit.
>>691148831
Not sure about mandarins, but those brexiters are a load of plums.
(^^this post is literally how Boris Johnson does politics^^)
So its generally accepted that more want to leave than stay?
>>691149031
LOL! Post of the day!
>>691149023
this person gets it
>>691131674
STAY
>>691148023
actually a large portion of the tourism revenue is from non EU countries, mainly the US. (pic related)
i dont have an exact figure here but tourism is something like £22 billion and surprisingly domestic tourism is £20billion (both figures for 2014) so we dont lose all that much.
not to mention this whole "free movement" isnt going to be that much of an issue. its probably going to go be like when british passport holders go to non-EU countries (excluding the states) and they get a visa on arrival for like £10-£30.
>>691149071
buddy, the entire House of Lords is unelected. And it contains Alan Sugar and that bird who was given a couple of football clubs in return for blowjobs.
Don't try to suggest the EU is less accountable than that shower of shites. Because you sound like a fool.
>>691131674
You need get to the point that you realize if something is bad for you that you need to leave but still help other countries on your own
It's better than whole UE itself cause UE it's run by a morons
The point is you have still money and you can leave too bad the countries without money are already in chains.
So what is so hard to understand? NATO still exist you doesn't need UE
>>691149906
>NATO still exist you doesn't need UE
NATO is just a garantee you won't be invaded. Your economy is still going to shit.
Also you guys never put a foot into a european standardization meeting have you ? Even USA applies most of EU rules concerning standards.
By leaving EU you just lose your say in the making of those. You will still have to apply them. Leaving Europe will effectively make you our bitches.
>>691148724
I'm not Christian. The difference between the two abrahamic religions is that one made nations fight against each other for whatever political reasons, the other seeks to wipe out the former because it says so in its book. You make your decision you mongoloid.
>>691148843
Unless you're also a genetic mishap you'd understand that what goes on in Calais is still French affairs and has nothing to do with Brits until it reaches Dover. Of course you think that Britain also encompases about a quarter of the ocean mass around it you fucking bellend.
>>691150553
They both go into the trash. For they are both the same levels of worthlessness.
>>691150743
When one stops trying to obliterate the other purely because mainland Europe adopted it, then I'll agree. Until then you filthy shitskins don't deserve to set foot on European soil. Christianity protected against the muslim hordes so that your Eiffel Tower and Pisa Tower aren't Mega-prayer towers
>>691150537
Who the fuck says you country can't be better than rest of the world ? Maybe UE buy some standards from you as a good example ?
Srsly I don't want to talk with morons right now so stop.
>>691150737
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/7000-illegal-immigrants-smuggled-into-britain-on-ferries/
the funniest part is probably where he thinks im pulling this out of my ass.
YouGov now predict Remain are in the lead with 52%
I live in Rochdale. I'm surrounded by immigrants. I voted leave. I was the only white person in the polling station. Everyone there was a Paki desperate to stay in so their cousins can come over from Germany.
We will never leave. They are breeding voters at 7x the rate of the natives. The UK is as dead as the rest of Europe.
>>691151118
and also I believe UK will find out solution out of this situation like always in matter of years
>>691151065
>Until then you filthy shitskins don't deserve to set foot on European soil.
Are you drunk? You are clearly much more of a desert invader into Europe than I am you filthy eastern mutt.
Go and worship your desert forefathers you treacherous little worm. Christianity is Islam mk I.
>>691151319
>this is what we hear in the states
>none of the economic ramifications
>just the same rhetoric Texas uses when they're threatening to secede from our union
but i tend to agree anyways.
>>691134098
Well said, anon. A representative democracy works best when the representatives are directly appointed by, and accountable to, their constituents. The beurcrats in Brussels seem too far removed—at least to my American sensibilities—from voters. Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be enough checks that can inhibit devolving sovereignty from sovereign states to the Bloc.
Then again, I base this off of bits I hear on BBC and US media outlets which I know aren't painting a full picture so my opinion is about worthless.
>>691149714
92 members, not the 800 members people think of. If you believe the house of lords is entirely accountable to our government and right to vote but the EU offers better democratic options despite you not being aloud to vote on eu comission members, laws or presidents, then you are a fool.
>>691146731
Why, so it can be erased and changed? This makes no sense. Why not an indelible ink mark??
>>691151475
Its because the economic ramifications are just speculation.
>>691151421
if not UE doen't do shit just borrow you money and lots of private companies around the Europe will afford you job filling their Jewish pockets paying only a little tax for you
>>691151434
shit effort
>>691151651
Oh I see. In other threads, people have accused each other of perpetuating propaganda when they talk about that aspect. I wonder if that might actually be true.
>>691151543
>actually thinks the House of Lords is democratic
Go home, your bias is showing. You cannot make a convincing argument for shit when you try to work it off the basis that UK has anything like a democratic system in comparison.
remain because i'm not an edgy alt right tard
>>691151910
You're just a regular tard then?
>>691151434
Nice rebuke. As expected when you've just been shat on. Enjoy your stay in Britain while you still can you pan-asian mistake.
>>691151475
None of the Pakis here work so lowering their numbers would be a boost to the economy that is currently supporting them and their millions of endless retarded cousin on cousin incest children
>>691134840
What if they're the hawk tho?
>>691151774
You don't like to hear the truth but you are what you hate. Just because your desert religion arrived long enough ago for you to forget how it was an invader you think that's okay.
Face facts, you are everything you thought you hated about SJW who appease Islam. You just don't have the balls / brains to face up to what your beliefs mean.
Desert dog.
>>691152147
see
>>691152196
You are not a European. you worship a desert man.
>>691138227
I guess you've never been to switzerland
>>691150737
Not him but I'm from Calais and I know precisely what's happening there. Cameron is paying Hollande and Calais mayor so we protect our borders. Leave EU, this accord is moot. Half of Calais will come to your place until you dispatch the fucking army.
Good luck Britain. And good riddance.
>>691152152
>lowering their numbers
Wouldn't that mean deportation rather than leaving the EU? So y'alls beef is they're not paying taxes like you are to support them? Right? That's what I gathered at least. So they DONT work?
>>691131674
brexit plz
>>691151863
It is partly true. I mean you can study past trends and make educated guesses based off of that, but actually predicting economic ramifications is very difficult. It isnt possible to predict 100% what will happen. Also it isnt like they will wake up tomorrow and be out of the eu, it will take time to break away.
If you leave, no more parties without visas.
>>691142908
"if my freedoms were comparable to the ones I have now"... yeah... that's a really big "if" mate. How'd you like actually having the right to cast a vote? Because if your side wins, it's the last one you get.
>>691152479
Is it true they've actually implemented shariah law there? Thats what they say in the US at least.
The story goes that they implemented shariah law, tore down all y'alls statues and spray painted "fuck you france" on them, and started breaking into y'alls houses (while you're still there) to shoot and rape and plunder etc.
>>691152196
My mistake, it's clear that you are trying your hardest but are being impeded by your retardation. Good day and good luck, sir.
>>691151896
I can vote for the PM, I can vote for my local MP, I can start campaigns to gain signatures to get laws passed, I can vote to refute laws, I can protest laws. The house of lords can be undone if the british band together.
You cannot do any of those equivalent actions in the EU, the MEP you elect, is not elected into the eu commission or presidency. There for the uk is majority democratic and partially undemocratic since we can elect our leaders and local political leaders. In the EU you cannot do that, you can only elect a voice to stand in a crowd with no right on any law passed.
OK I'll try harder now. Imagine that you were not aloud to vote for your president/prime minister/ head of state, but you could for an local political figure who represents your area and will put a vote in for the leader over the nation who overall has the interests that match your local political representatives interests (who you elected for those interests). Now imagine, that your local political representative cannot vote for the leader anymore, but must agree with apposing conflicting local representatives from other area for who will be aloud to cast a single vote for who the next leader will be.
Thats how the eu work. You will no longer go down the polling station and stick a piece of paper in a box with who you wish to rule your country and your local area. You will vote for a faint voice in a dismayed crowed. You will never vote on laws, veto laws, propose laws or legislation like we can now.
>>691152802
You can get visas at airports or docks m8
>>691152883
this
I think England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland would make great srates for the Union! There's space for four more stars on our flag.
>>691152488
Leaving the EU means less Pakis come here because most of them come here by getting EU status in some other shit tier European country first
Germany just took a million rapefugees in and they'll all be free to travel to the UK or anywhere else in Europe just as soon as they get their full citizenship
The sprawling camps in Calais etc. are proof enough that they are desperate to get here for the free money and houses. I work for a housing association and I have had to tell homeless ex British soldiers that they're at the back of the line for a government house because Pakis with 50 kids are a priority. Pakis, alcoholics and drug addicts are "vulnerable". It's a joke.
>>691152799
I dont know, I believe companies when they say they'll take their business elsewhere but I believe it when they say it in the states. They were able to strong arm a governor in SC or something when they threatened to take their business elsewhere over a bill violating transgender rights. He caved after they started doing it. I wonder now if that would happen out there.
To be honest a lot of our conservative sources are accusing Obama and the TPP of shipping jobs overseas, mostly to China but people are pissed about shipping jobs out there to Ireland too.
All you faggots voting. Your govt is letting you vote to pacify you. Regardless you're remaining. Merkel is your queen now
>>691153009
Well, see you soon in Amsterdam then.
>>691152898
>Is it true they've actually implemented shariah law there?
It's false. There is trouble brewed by both immigrants and far right nationalists, very nummerous in Calais. Calais was the worst city to store the migrants. It's not peaceful, but it coule be improved if the National Front wasn't blocking the funds to give them basic infrastructure until we send them to the brits
There is an anti france feeling among the migrants, but mostly because we keep them captive. They don't want to stay, we don"t want to keep them. We only do because of our agreement with UK and that's not going to survive Brexit
>>691153298
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I see. That makes A LOT more sense, hearing it explained that way. As you can see, we're kind of kept in the dark here. What with Trump and all.
>>691152990
>The house of lords can be undone if the british band together.
So, what you are saying is that....
although the UK has a wholly undemocratic filter at the very top of its power hierarchy....
which acts as the gatekeeper for every new law passed....
if we stick with the current process....
we can reform it...
from within?
Anon. You have inadvertently found something beautiful here.
>>691153374
Well when you make it easier and incentivise people to leave they will. The whole SC thing was silly, because they could threaten all they want, but if SC is giving them breaks they wont do jack shit.
>>691152479
The barren irradiated wasteland that will be left after we nuke Froggyland will put up more resistance to the Muslim hordes than you lot m8.
>>691131674
politics
>pic related
'nuff said!
>>691153543
Survive brexit like, it'll be nullified if they leave?
The agreement is what, funding to help resettle them there? Why did they choose Calais? Because of proximity and no other reason or did y'all used to have room for them there and now not so much?
>>691153396
Ok? You do know that is how it works when you go to other non euro countries right? You get a visitor's visa when you check in.
>>691153711
Come at me bro. We hadnt a french english war for a long time. We'll just land the legion into Scotland and just walk over you fucking inbred serf army
>>691153695
What are the Acts of Parliament?
It has been done before. You don't know your history. Back to school with you.
>>691153890
Correction: The Parliament Acts.
>>691146731
>mfw Britain wanted this so they can change votes and win by a purposeful margin amount
>>691153718
JESUS that's ALOT closer than I thought it'd be.
>>691153695
so if we the british have the right to vote on new laws, and we commonly dislike the house of lords, and we protest and vote in opposition to their ruling and allowing hereditary peers into it, we win.
In the eu, do you think every political party and persons from every nation will band together to force the EU to become democratic and allow voting of laws and presidency by the public? Especially when the eu army will be there to suppress us and everyone will be busy fighting amongst themselves and social justices and immigration debates and trade crisis' and unemployment rates? Do YOU REALLY BELIEVE we have a hope in high heaven of achieving this, because if you do, can you please gather and lead the golden horde to democratic victory for liberty.
>>691153846
>Survive brexit like, it'll be nullified if they leave?
Yes. Our ministers have been pretty clear on that. If brits leave EU the agreement stops. It's the only reason why we protect UK borders from migrants.
Without this agreement, we will just look the other way.
>Why did they choose Calais?
Calais is the city that is connected to britain via the undersea tunnel. That's where we stopped them, and so that's where we're keeping them
Sadly, Calais is one of the nationalist right stronghold.
>>691131674
i didn't. it has already been decided that we are staying in the eu.
remember when that pig fucker said he wasnt bothered about the votes and was voted back in as pm?? remember when the vote of no confidence was met with an 'im not fussed' remark. . . a week ago he said exactly the same thing with the same smile.
>>people thinking their vote matters
>>691131674
Voted Leave -fuck the EU!
>>691153890
>>691154226
I think you missed the meaning of that post.
>>691153718
Interesting. They predicted a 10 point lead last night. What changed?
>>691131674
Stay
>>691153890
time is wasted on fools like
>>691153695
they have continuously ignored the fact their voting right will be gone and frivolously tried to say we have none in our own nation, and thus we might as well opt for a bigger, more corrupt and more impenetrable version.
>>691154238
I'd not be surprised. I have no doubt you could pick the most Liberal left of places, fill it with asylum seekers in tent towns and it'll soon turn right wing
>>691154361
i think you quoted the wrong individual.
>>691139367
That's only if you show someone else's
>>691154238
>only reason why you protect UK borders
But I thought the whole reason they wanted to leave was to STOP the migrants from coming in? If it'll just flood more people in there, I'm struggling to see the benefits.
>clear on it
So they've just flat out said, if y'all leave fuck it? Wow, thats one way to play hardball goddamn. Will y'alls economy tank as well if they leave?
>>691154601
I've had the same thought, it will just be like the Scottish Referendum.
Shouting for independence for years upon years and when they finally get the vote they go for what's safe
>>691154631
Calais is a traditional right wing stronghold. The left consistantly wins the election there because extremists on the right hate each other for internal interpersonal reasons (succession of leadership mostly), but the population has a big fat affinity for the nationalist movement.
Put it simply, Calais is our Texas. It's poor, uneducated and nationalistic. It's one of the few places where the mass is still celebrated in Latin
>>691155098
>texas is poor, uneducated
Come on man, that sounds more like Mississippi
>>691155098
>Texan
>Rustlin' my goddamn jimmies m8
We used to be a stand alone republic. I doubt the same could be said for Calais.
>>691154856
This.
>>691154856
Ive voted out. If we remain in im done with this country. Time to look at moving to Australia...
>>691154537
It's only impenetrable if you are too backwards to update your information.
There is an interesting satire by the legendary Peter Cook, called 'The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer'. It is a comedy, but shows what a farce a full democracy would end up becoming - mob rule and overloaded bureaucracy.
No system is a complete democracy. And, in fact, a complete democracy would be unsatisfactory.
But to attempt to argue the UK system is more democratic than the EU - when we have:
party politics,
first past the post,
redrawn boundaries,
a monarchy,
unelected lords,
and a partial theocracy of 26 bishops appointed by MUTHAFUCKING GOD
built into the fabric of our government, you have chosen the single worst line of attack for your anti-EU argument.
didn't vote. I'm a amerifag, but IF I could vote, I'd vote to stay in.
>>691131674
>LEAVE ASAP
>>691155192
American here. I don't know how your voting works. Is this final?
>>691155401
Australia House, Strand, London WC2B 4LA
Phone: 020 7379 4334
>>691155192
aaaaaaaaaaand the 4% that edged it over the wrong way are the muslims
>>691155401
Dont go live we a bunch sunburnt cunts.
Come to America friend, we have this now.
>>691155632
No, it's only an exit poll.
>>691155632
no, final outcome will be given tomorrow
it's just a prediction from asking people who exit the voting stations who they voted for
>>691131674
only retarded Americans are using the term Bremain. the vote is called brexit regardless of what you vote to do
>>691154841
>Wow, thats one way to play hardball goddamn.
In the EU standardization field I worked on, Brits are seen as a nuisance, because they always want to lower down the industrial minimal requirement.
If they leave, they will have no more say in the making of the standards but still will have to apply them to sell into EU. We will still sell into UK, UK will still sell into EU. It will change nothing for us if it's just one country leaving, except they will have to pay European experts to test their industry, whereas this service is paid by Europe atm.
It also means if they are hellbent into making their own standards, UK made product sold within the UK will likely to be subpar.
TL DR : to us it changes nothing if it's just UK leaving. The danger is the oilspill effect and it's not happening anytime soon.
>>691155267
Dude I just don't know how to explain that more simply. Just picture a place where people are attached like fucking hell to antiquited traditions and imagine why putting them there is a bad idea.
Also Calais was an indepoendant country during the 100years war if it counts ?
>>691155657
Great to see our Islamic citizens engaging in the democratic process.
>>691154159
It seems like all these big issues are near 50/50 split when the vote comes down to it. Coincidence?
Lately I've begun to think that the odds of any one out of two possible outcomes, like a coin flip, is 50/50, and in any large enough population you will get the same result. Because no matter what the issue, with enough people it will come down to near 50/50 just because of the statistics of the random distribution of opinions in the population. Therefore all the sound and fury over an issue is basically pointless.
I'd like to think it's different, and individual opinions matter more, but you so rarely see issues that are split 60/40, or 70/30.
>>691155810
I missed the part where op stated their nationality
I voted leave.
Fuck you stay in cucks.
if you're not voting to leave you're a traitor and deserves the same fate as Jo Cox
>>691155516
i didnt reply the post you quoted for mis understanding, check it.
>>691155470
The bishops and monarchy have no say in our politics, they can provide proganda and gain support but have no actual powers in politics.
The EU has
UNELECTED PRESIDENTS
UNELECTED COMISSIONERS
UN-VOTED LAWS
IGNORE 77% OF ALL VETOS
59% OF LAWS ARE CURRENTLY CREATED, OVERSEEN AND PASSED BY UNELECTED OFFICIALS EXTERIOR TO OUR PUBLICLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT.
How can you not see this? a unelected lord is very different to an unelected comissioner and president with laws you have zero say in. We all have a say in the laws passed in lords and parliament, we all can propose laws, we all can veto and protest laws within our nation, dont give this up, you havent given any facts to say how complete democracy would be unsatisfactory, and if you believe it would, why are you saying the house of lords is apparently worse than having no say or control in the government at all.
It's literally either "vote for democracy and liberty" or "vote for dystopia". where is the block in your head that stops you from being able to process this piece of vital information?
>>691131674
brexit is the only right answer
Just finished my polling station shift. Why did so many of you niggers bring your own pens and complain about the pencils? Fucktards
>>691156314
The ballots aren't serial numbered or counterfeit protected in anyway? It's just a piece of paper spit out on a laser printer?
How easy is it to just make a bunch of xerox copies and stuff in a few ballots?
I am surprised.
>>691156558
What? I liked the pencils!
>>691156558
Lol. Get a proper job, you pleb.
>>691155871
>was an independent country
it counts. but texas still has their constitution worded in such a way to promote a separate economy via the gulf if they try to leave. but i get what you're saying, its an apt comparison.
>>691156636
You have no idea how this works do you?
>>691156558
we will ask for recount of apparent smudged votes. If postal votes can be done with pen, so can ballot.
>>691156357
Get ready for some massive butt-hurt.
>>691156718
I have a full time job. I also earn £200 extra for doing that
>>691138960
You baboon, if course you can. You need to be resident here and registered to vote. Doesn't imply a British passport you mouldy cock rag.
>>691156754
Not him but enlighten us please
>>691155990
That's what I figured this would turn out to be, honestly. Something like 11% want to leave, and the remaining 88% want to say so OBVIOUSLY they'll stay. Something like a landslide. I just didn't realize it was so evenly distributed like this. When I first heard about brexit, I said "no way thats happening, it's just a vocal racist minority" or something. The more I learn about this, the bigger of a deal it becomes.
>>691156850
McDonalds doesn't count, mate.
>>691156962
89%* its been a long day.
>>691137127
Coward.
>>691156911
Every polling station has a register of every registered person in that area, each person haso a unique number which is then written on a register which is linked to a unique number on the back of the ballot papers.
The vote is anonymous buthe if an investigation is ordered by a court for vote manipulation or anything like that, the ballot papers can be linked to your own personal number
>>691156962
When is society going to re-accept racism as a logical part of the decision making process?
>>691156754
No. I am not from your country.
>>691156314
That's my vote.
What gets me and will surprise the yanks is that a lot of of people born in the EU got a vote. I know a fat Albanian that has a vote because he has been here for 10 years.... Not really a fair vote if you think about it.
>>691157505
>I know a fat Albanian
Was he a UK citizen?
>>691156513
>It's literally either "vote for democracy and liberty" or "vote for dystopia".
God you're so melodramatic. Just by listing it as you have done you should be able to see how it cross-correlates almost exactly with the current UK framework.
However, whereas you dispense a biased and intellectually dishonest free pass to ludicrously undemocratic parts of UK government, by saying "they don't count", I can at least see the flaws and limits of the EU. It's like you've worked yourself up into a big old tizz, and you know that your position isn't based on any intellectual validation, but you stick with it out of sheer stubbornness.
