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What are you fags voting and why?
>>690964442
stay
because i'm not stupid and love money & things
Stay because I'm not an idiot
I just want a riot on Friday
Vote leave
Fuck the ugly feminist SJW lesbian midget cucks
>>690964762
There will be so many salty people regardless of the outcome so riots are very likely. Personally i wanna see what happens in Westminster
Literally like >80% of people I know are voting leave and it's fucking worrying. Most of their reasoning is immigration even though we'll never control immigration.
Don't know if it's a northern thing or what.
The people that want to leave only really have the argument of "I liek ma cuntry n fuck da immigrants" which is fucking stupid. I haven't heard one reasonable argument for it
>>690964442
Voting out, i can't stand to see left wing people ruin any more of the world, i hate the idea that the eu can't be held accountable for fucking the uk over, i don't want to see a mass torrent of rapfugees pouring into my country under the false pretext of being an economic migrants. I want to see my country and it's people stand for what out ancestors died for, i want us to be a an example for all others to follow that you don't need to bow down to left wing tyrants who only give a crap about themselves. England use to be such a strong and powerful country leading the way in politics and economics now the blood sweat and tears of the people who did everything they could to make our country better then anywhere else is being torn apart by people who don't give a fucking shit about any of that.
Both sides are using scare tactics but the leave campaign is adamant with their fucking bullshit figure "350 Mil that could go to the nhs."
Nah m8, it's 190 Mil that we'd need to spend to keep in with the open trade anyway, duck off, Borris.
>>690965115
nah all the people voting out are in their 60s+, they're not gonna be rioting.
>>690965240
>Most of their reasoning is immigration
When you can block people coming into your country i think that you can control immigration, also those people just don't want to see rapefugees sexually assaulting and physically abusing the people of their country, besides the fact that most are benefit sponges that wont work or give a shit about contributing to the country.
>>690965720
The dream of old Blighty will always be a dream. Get over it.
>>690966226
>implying leftys that are voting in wont run away and hide while they blame everyone else for the issues they cause.
>>690966416
Would rather a shadow of what it could be then what we have now, we're like a bitch on a eu leash.
Leave. I think the whole government needs an overhaul and that will be impossible to do as part of the EU. Plus the EU would take us back if we left. But we will only get one chance to leave. Happy voting BritFags
>>690966394
Germany and Sweden are basically throwing the rest of the EU under the bus, they are sinking the boat and bringing everyone else down with them. The millions of rapefugees they are letting in? They will eventually become EU citizens free to move anywhere in the EU they choose.
>>690966598
Ha this is what in voters are voting for.
>>690966394
We'll never be able to block people coming into the country because it's essential for trade with the EU even if we do leave, the referendum won't affect immigration whatsoever. The main effect it will have will be on businesses, large and small. Either way the employees of said businesses will be shafted up the arse by the gaffers.
>>690966823
100% and i don't want to be a part of that, leftys only think it's a good idea because they think multiculturalism is a great thing. They must not watch the news much or maybe they just chose to ignore the mass rape stats and increasing violence stats.
Leave, but I don't vote because I am Swiss.
>>690967153
>taking the news as fact
>>690966394
There'll be a hell of a lot more illegals coming into the country if we leave, that's for sure.
>>690967571
>>690967571
*Cough* germany *cough* party of the eu *cough* 400,000 rapefuges last year alone *cough*...get fucking real kid.
>>690967936
You think the Eu is going to try and take them idf it knows it can ignore them and let them get to britain? The French have already said if we leave they'll turn a blind eye to anyone tring to cross the channel.
They can wash their hands of the problem and we won't be able to do a thing about it.
>>690966394
Actually EU migrants bring us more money than they take out (by over 30%) so they're not benefit sponges at all.
Additionally to keep the single market (i.e not fuck our economy) we will have to keep EU regs, free movement and pay into the fund.
So be rational and vote remain.
>>690966727
The exact opposite of that is true.
We could always have another ref on leaving or parliament could do it without one.
once we leave however we are out for good, this has been made very clear.
Also we could totally overhaul our parliament without any input from the EU
>>690968352
lol, you guys will be selling your fucking souls, culture, and way of life if you let enough muzzies in. Clueless fuck.
>>690968301
Fucking go for it france, i live right by a port in the south east....i tell you not trying to prove a point or act all hard but i would be on the shore waiting to trash the cunts.
>>690966823
The second you call people fleeing a warzone rapefugees you forfiet any chance of your opinion being taken seriously.
Leave is just nationalist chest beating and appeals to xenophobia, so I guess /b/ must love it
>>690968813
The second the rape rate in European countries shoots through the roof thanks to immigrants we have right and reason to call them that.
>>690968978
>you think different to me therefore you're a terrible person
Go away.
>>690968352
You can prove anything with facts
>>690968813
They are first and foremost muslim you hopeful kumbaya singing dumbfuck.
>>690968792
What exactly are you affraid of? We live in a moderately functional democracy and the only threat to that are the hard right of the tories.
Modern Britain is already a cultural melting pot and has been for longer than we've been alive.
Y'see most rational folk don't let the news petrify them of anyone who is slightly brown.
Welcome to the 21st century you dumb fuck.
>>690964442
nobody cares, you're fucking irrelevant. and now stop making threads about it on /b/. go to /pol/ or /int/.
leave because the world won't end and it's worth it for our democracy.
it will also be the beginning of the uncuckening
>>690968978
>xenophobia
A word lefty's use to defend violent, Islamic extremists and rapists. You people are the worse its like saying if someone had his family killed then he is murdererphobic for not liking the murder, its a stupid fucking word.
>>690968813
Migrants are suppose to settle in the first safe country they come to, not cross all of Europe to benefit scrounge, also most of these people aren't even coming from war zones if they did it would be whole family's not just young males.
>>690969500
I'm a fucking liberal, yes we still exist. I refuse to enable and hush about about an ideology and political system that goes against every liberal value there is.
The more muslims there are the more they will demand, you feel happy now, wait until they are 25% of your nations population. Again, you hopeful fuck.
>>690969314
Sexual violence is a problem all across the world you mug, with sickeningly low conviction rates especially for us white folk.
Wake the fuck up and realise you're just having your fears preyed on for somebody elses gain.
>>690965614
The only arguments i as an american have heard for stayiny is muh free movement, ad hom attacks against leavers, and some very inconsistent talk about money
I am voting leave and it has nothing to do with the immigrants. The whole undemocratic multinationalism EU structure is just not the way i want to live. I want to be free and independent.
In. The idea that we will be fine and it will all work out is shit. All current trade deals are based on eu membership so any deals in the eu would need to be negotiated from scratch and all trade deals involve accepting the free movement of people so it is impossible to prevent migration. Also, the millions of British fuck sticks that are living abroad might find they can't do that anymore. Migrants that sponge and rape shit up are a minority of a minority.
Also, the Australian points system is designed to increase migration.
Mostly, needing a visa to go on a stag doo to see a woman smoke a cigar with her arse hole in Amsterdam seems like a fuck about
fucking inners get off my board
>>690968813
The majority are economic migrants
>>690969859
It is whole families. I've seen them in the trainstations across Eastern Europe last summer.
They are meant to stop in the first safe nation, but is the rising anti immigration sentiment in hungary or the economic desperation of greece really safe?
It's nothing to do with benefits more so finding a place where they can sustain themselves until their nation stops being on fire.
>>690969652
I bet you would rather be raped by a traditional English rapist while making a cup of tea to the national anthem
>>690970282
>he actually thinks they will leave
>he doesnt see that they are just using migrants to shore up reproduction numbers
Oh buddy, youre in for a rude awakening
>>690969865
Even if somehow the population became a quarter muslim your own post if accurate would suggest that they all wouldn't all demand a totalitarian state.
Even if they did they still would not have the power and influence to enact it, especially if we were, say, in a huge partnership with other nations across the continent that secures certain rights, like say some kind of European Union.
I am hopeful, but rationally so. You seem to live in a fantasy land.
>>690969910
So are you denying the correlation between increased immigration and increased rape occurrences?
>>690970633
What have you got to suggest they won't? Historically the majority of those fleeing conflicts return once it's safe. Syria was a functional state not so long ago, and one day will be again.
>>690970828
No man, it's you living in a fantasy land. There is a direct correlation with the amount of muslims in any given population and a decrease in quality of life in every aspect. How is this surprising? A society is made up of its people, not its government. You are fucking clueless if you think your government will sustain your way of life living in a 25% muslim population.
>>690968978
And you're nothing a fucking apologist for violent shitskins.
>2016
>Being this fucking stupid
>>690969988
workers rights. If we leave the tories will repeal the human rights act which leaves the door open for employers to shit all over their employees.
>>690970872
Yes.
'Research has found no evidence of an average causal impact of immigration on crime.[6][7][38] One study based on evidence from England and Wales in the 2000s found no evidence of an average causal impact of immigration on crime in England and Wales,.[6] No causal impact and no immigrant differences in the likelihood of being arrested were found for London, which saw large immigration changes.[6] A study of two large waves of immigration to the UK (the late 1990s/early 2000s asylum seekers and the post-2004 inflow from EU accession countries) found that the "first wave led to a modest but significant rise in property crime, while the second wave had a small negative impact. There was no effect on violent crime; arrest rates were not different, and changes in crime cannot be ascribed to crimes against immigrants. The findings are consistent with the notion that differences in labor market opportunities of different migrant groups shape their potential impact on crime."[7] A 2013 study found "that crime is significantly lower in those neighborhoods with sizeable immigrant population shares" and that "the crime reducing effect is substantially enhanced if the enclave is composed of immigrants from the same ethnic background."[8]'
I can find much more like that if i could be arsed.
>>690971031
But we also know that a fairly large number of these Syrian immigrants are not actually Syrian. I just wonder how many more of them are not actually from a war torn country.
>>690971031
What evidence do you have that majority will? You cant just say history says so without backing it up. But riddle me this, why go back to a shithole. It will be war torn, and it will need to be rebuilt. Why leave the oasis of europe? Also the eu is banking on migrants staying to shore up the low reproduction numbers you guys have because yall fap to anime.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/08/refugee-surge-brings-youth-to-an-aging-europe/
Enjoy the caliphate, youre always welcome in america friend.
>>690971399
Is this documented to happen or fear mongering?
>>690970828
Dunno why you're bother dude, that anon isn't the brightest.
>>690965720
You couldn't manage it before the eu. Pakistan ring a bell? Angola?
>>690964442
>>690964724
hope you fucking cucks are trolling.
Out. Because fuck niggers.
>>690971451
Now go look at France, Germany, Sweden and the like. We were talking about rape in European countries and not just Britain after all.
>>690971672
>youre always welcome in america friend.
What a bullshit statement. You'd be hard pressed to find a nation that hates the british more. Even the African nations we totally fucked like us more than the USA.
>>690971201
You're still assuming the muslim population of the UK will soar from 4.5% to 25% whilst the rest of the country remains the same.
The country is becoming if anything, more and more secular, this would only increase if our shitty government sorted out the schooling system.
Where is this direct correlation in anything other than the rightwing press?
>>690966226
Everyone I know is less than 40 and voting out.
>>690971821
Did pretty good on our own for hundreds of years, you can help societies that cant be developed
>>690971787
Watch this for an academic take https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y
>>690971974
I wish people like you would put your argument in a more rational format rather than just saying shit like "fuck niggers". It ruins the face of the entire leave campaign and turns us all into a joke even though we have valid reasons.
>>690964442
whatever is left of EU is going to be the next axis powers in WW3
>takes off tinfoil hat
>>690972031
I like the brits, meet quite a few when i lived in NOLA. Youre welcome to my couch bud once the caliphate starts throwing queers from the roof.
>>690972031
My gf of who has lived with my in the US for six years who is from the UK has never dealt with a single person in all this time who was rude to her for being british. Everyone is actually always very interested in a good way.
>>690971787
The conservative party have stated on numerous occasions that they would get rid of the human rights act. You can extrapolate from that what you will but it will certainly make it legal if not definite that there would be an erosion of individual liberties.
>>690971805
Hahah.
Gotta fight the good fight, if not for him but for others reading. The internet is full of people all too happy to call people rapefugees and most reasonable people can't be arsed to wade in.
>>690966598
yes get out of EU, behead the muzzie mayor. instill a new king
>>690968792
>British
>culture
Boiled cabbage and being cucked is hardly something to promote.
>>690964667
Ruin your future for a few quid in pocket now , you stupid selfish retarded cunt
>>690972492
boiled cabbage is German.
>>690967405
> Watched live stream German Cameras, swarms of sandniggers attacking and dragging off German women.
It's all lies, carry on being cucks white guilters.
>>690972289
Honestly, if health care was more available in the U.S. I'd consider moving there if England starts going down hill. Fucking houses are much more affordable in the U.S. too which would be fucking great.
>>690966226
How wrong can you be , its already planned as the vote is rigged
>>690971975
https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/
What are non-votes counted as? I'd assume stay seeing as though the tories want to stay.
>>690972740
Do you have any pre exsisting conditions? Because if not dont buy the lies, our healthcare is very affordable.
>>690964442
Out as fuck
Fuck them euro dick heads
>>690971672
No thanks, I can't think of a more backwards place than America right now.
>>690972031
> mfw this faggot has NEVER been to the US in his life.
Most states love the British,
Most people respect Briton as a friendly similar nation with oddities.
Most American girls will drop wet panties for anything but the most fucked up English accents.
>>690973087
Well, the offer stands friend.
>>690971498
You're right theyre not all from Syria. Some are from Afganistan, Iraq, Lybia and Eritrea.
>>690972956
Non votes a non vote. Most of the tories want us to leave.
>>690972972
None that I know of, dad's dad was killed by a fatty liver which failed when he had unrelated surgery and there's a chance of inheritance but I'm pretty skinny to be fair, metabolism high as fuck.
>>690973087
You make fun of Americans for being back water, yet you can go to dozens of countries and get gang raped stabbed eaten stoned.
>>690972091
Complaining about Pakis or Indians because "illegals took ur jerbs" baits were doing at least since the 80s.
You have proven incapable of controlling your borders. So now what?
To think, this is how the US would have fallen apart if we'd stayed under the Articles of Confederacy.
>>690973377
Fair enough, thought it'd be like the general election. Thank for clearing that up
>>690972541
How exactly will it ruin his future? It's the largest and most advanced market in the world that we are part of.
>>690973604
refugees blah blah blah i guess
>>690972492
What language are you speaking faggot
>>690973175
Been twice. Not making that mistake again
>>690972031
The fuck are you on? I've never heard anyone around the Upper Midwest speak down of a Brit, unless it was Piers Morgan.
>>690970030
What specific changes do you want to see that are being prevented by being part of the EU?
>>690973447
They don't call themselves the land of the free whilst having a government in the pocket of corperations, a mass shooting nearly every day and the ability to go bankrupt from getting cancer.
It's by no means the shittest place on earth though for sure.
>>690973890
So, if I go to Paris and Berlin that counts as visiting all of continental europe?
>>690973175
fuck off limey cunt america hates you
>>690973417
Dude with the UK girlfriend here.
The healthcare is her biggest complaint. It may or may not be as bad as you have heard, depending on your circumstances.
>>690973417
As long as you stay away from the unhealthy food here youll be fine man. Last time i went to the doctor i had a shit case of strep throat. I went in with no insurance paid 50 bucks for the swab and test, and 20 for generic antibiotics. Sure a cancer diagnoses can be costly, and pre existing conditions can suck. But hospitals dont like putting people in bankruptcy, they wont make money that way. I know a guy who has cancer and he pays the hospital 100 bucks a month for all the treatment he goes through. Ambulances suck here as well, but the majority of people have no problems with the healthcare system, except now youre forced to have insurance or get fined.
>>690973981
Hospitials dont want you to go bankrupt, they dont get paid that way.
>>690973377
That is untrue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946
>most of Europe is as peaceful has it has been since civilization
>Britain is surrounded by a 1000 mile buffer zone of peace
>better fuck that up
>>690974642
He's actually right about cancer. Many people in the US divorce when one of them gets cancer so that their SO isn't liable for the crippling debt.
>>690974205
Both times travelled a lot. They weren't city breaks.
Second time was road trip across country, Boston to Seattle.
>>690974642
Doesn't the government pick up the bill if someone can't actually pay? So you get the added bonus of losing all your savings and the tax payer still having to fork out. I think it's covered in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
>>690972492
>>690975007
Fair play, I stand corrected. Although a lot more tories want leave than any other party (except UKIP obviously).
>>690975076
Stats please
And the only people in america with crippling debt are dummies or people who are too proud. Seriously, call your hospital and beg them to lower your monthly payment. Listen, the hospital just wants money, if someone is stacked with debt they wont pay or the go bankrupt, this leaves the hospitial with no money. And funnily enough, most of them will just go eh pay us this much and we will forgive the debt.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2013/09/17/you-got-a-10000-hospital-bill-now-what/#5c9d6fa85fd0
>>690966394
'rapefugees' do read the daily mail? If we leave, every country along the English channel will be filling dinghy's with illegals and shipping them over to us and there'll be fuck all we can do about it, we wont be allowed into the french lorry ports either so the 1000 odd immigrants a day trying to get onto lorries will be given a hand up.
>>690975637
It's pretty impressive how large and cross political spectrum the concensus in parliament for remain is.
It's mostly the further right that are pro leave.
>>690975333
I cant watch the video, at work. And the hospital will work with you on monthly payments. It isnt like you have to pay it now or we will break your leg again lol
>>690965720
'used to be' we are a tiny fucking island and will never be anything like we were 100 years ago, the world is changing and unless we change with it, we'll be left behind.
>implying they haven't already decided whether we leave the EU or not
>>690974501
I'll eat nothing but the shit food. All I eat already is McDonald's and KFC so I'm curious to try shit like Wendy's and white castle
>>690972687
Yeah, ONCE, Isolated incident that the local police admit should've been dealt with before it even got to that.
>>690974416
Honestly, I've been to the doctor like once since I was a kid and it was for tonsillitis a few years back, either I'm healthy as fuck or I'm overdue for fucking aids or something
>>690976857
It is good, but that shit will kill ya man lol. Wendy's nuggies are awesome
>>690965720
>thinks the left has had any sway in UK politics for the last ~30years
>being this dumb
We've had decades of neoliberalism thats fucked up this country, fuck all to do with the principles of left wing thinking.
Also the EU is democratic, the parliament is elected with a proportional system (much better than our FPTP) and the commissioner from each country is chosen by each nations democratically elected government.
Go educate yourself.
>>690964442
In, why anyone would want to derail the economy, discourage foreign investment and crash the value of their currency I'll never understand.
>>690966727
That's bullshit, Italy is overhauling its government right now and the EU is not involved at all.
stay
the fact is I dont trust westminster politics in general, and the conservatives in particular, especially the Michael Gove types, theyre a bunch of clueless public school wankers
>>690966823
Well you fucking retard, what would happen if Sweden and Germany stopped letting in immigrants? The sandniggers will probably not go back by themselfs so Britain and rest of Eu should be happy germany and sweden is destroying themselfs :)
>>690974416
The NHS is screwed because 1. The government privatized the general staff control(now you have a bunch of 'investors' that own the staff agencies and are creaming the system whilst employing cheap labour for nurses/porters etc.) 2. they pay ridiculous prices for equipment because their suppliers are all owned by lords/ex mp's who made the wrote the contracts in the first place and 3.weekends in A+E are full of piss-heads that fall over or get into fights and doctors surgery's are full of old people that just want to talk to somebody and single fat sloth mothers with their spawn.
>>690964442
OUT BECAUSE DEATH TO TRAITORS AND FREEDOM FOR BRITON
>>690964442
Voting out to protect the NHS from the TTIP deal.
The EU are negotiating the TTIP trade deal behind close doors, in secret and out of the public eye.
It's going to be agreed, without doubt. And there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
The TTIP deal would represent the end of the NHSmas we know it. It would destroy it.
If you vote to remain you're voting for the final death bell of the NHS. You're voting for us to join TTIP.
The only real way to avoid it is to vote out. That straightforward.
Then we can arrange our own trade deals while protecting the NHS.
Vote leave lads.
>>690978014
>FREEDOM FOR BRITON
>BRITON
Standard Brexiter.
>>690978048
Yes crashing the economy will work wonders for the NHS.
>>690977420
Because boris wants to be prime minister and wants an extra 100 odd million quid to spend on his cousins warship business
>>690966226
i wish
older voters are the ones who want to leave
>>690978048
TTIP is currently dead in the water because the Germans and French people despise it.
The UK government (who are dead keen on selling off the NHS, Gove even wrote a whole book about it) however are the biggest pushers of the deal. So if you think voting out will save you from TTIP you are sadly mistaken and You should reconsider.
>>690978216
knew i'd spell it wrong
rip britain
I find the fact that the UK's main problem with the EU is the immigration crisis extremely insulting. It's nations like Greece and Italy who are taking the brunt of this crisis, only a small part actually reaches the UK.
Also this relatively new problem should not overshadow all that we achieved in the last few decades by working together.
>>690978216
You're responding to a Yank troll.
Don't try and tar all of us who want a Brexit with the same brush.
Leave the ad hominems for the playground.
I'm voting out to protect the NHS from the TTIP deal.
>>690978373
Myth.
There'll be a temporary dip for a longterm gain.
Don't be a pussy and look to the bigger picture.
>>690978048
>protecting the NHS
The NHS is a cash cow for MP's and Lords, they own all of the staffing agencies and equipment suppliers, and that's without all of the deals they have with chemical companies to hike up the price of medicines
>>690978670
See >>690978464
The biggest threat there is to the NHS is the conservative party/Ukip
>>690978048
The funny thing is that, with the isolation you'll face by leaving the EU, you wil be forced to strengthen your trade relationship with the US, ie accept TTIP.
>>690978670
>I'm voting out to protect the NHS from the TTIP deal.
>I'm knowingly causing a dip (chasm) in the economy to support a public service that relies on tax revenue.
Standard Brexiter.
>>690964724
Yo smartypants what's ttip?
>>690978823
Not a single economist has predicted a long term gain.
Even the ones for brexit (like 1/10) say it will hit our economy.
There is no economic argument for leaving the largest and most advanced market in the world.
>>690978573
it's not uk's main problem, it's far right winged rednecks' main problem and it has been since times immemorial.
EU achieved killing every european nations sovereignty by preventing them from doing devaluation, protectionnism and basically applying their desired economy. The UK should leave so that everyone else can gather their balls to do so.
>>690978823
>Don't be a pussy and look to the bigger picture
I do. I listen when the services sector's largest representatives' speak up about disinvestment and relocation.
>>690978464
It's not dead in the water, at all mate.
It's being negotiated as we speak. It will happen.
If we leave the future of the NHS is in our hands, and it will be the hottest topic when a early general election is called should we get Brexit.
I'd sooner trust our electorate with the future of the NHS, than neoliberal globalist elites heading the EU.
A remain result will be a terrible result for the NHS, without doubt.
>>690979173
>>690979008
Read the responses to your bullshit samefag
Swissfag here,
we've always said NO to the EU, and look at our economy, it's through the fucking roof! you can do it Britania! leave that hot mess of fuckery!
>>690979231
All that you said is more of an argument against the Eurozone of which we are not part of. thats what fucked greece.
Each EU nation is still clearly Sovereign. Those claiming to the contrary (Boris, Gove and Farage) just want more power avaliable to them to maximise the money their corperate mates can make off us all.
>>690978910
Nigel Farage has directly and vocally opposed TTIP in the European Parliament.
You're clueless.
The EU want the TTIP deal, and it's going to happen. Stop deluding yourself that a remain vote is the progressive vote, it's not.
A remain vote is a vote to back the neoliberal globalists that seek to line their pockets from our social services. The people that line their pockets from our economy and depress the wages of the working class in this country.
Voting out places the future entirely in our hands.
>>690979283
Me and that poster clearly have conflicting viewpoints.
You clearly have high functioning autism.
>>690979548
Yet you adhere to the same trading regulations as part of the single market.
You're in the Schengen area and have higher net immigration than we do.
You pay the same fees towards the EU but without a rebate or say in the formation of regulation.
Why the fuck would we want that?
>>690979548
Fucking lol.
We can't all be tax havens stocked up with Nazi gold.
Learn2economics before you open your stupid mouth you beachless mountain tard.
>>690978373
Switzerland, iceland, and Norway would like to have a word with you
>>690979250
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/05/protest-never-changes-anything-derailing-ttip-trade-agreement
http://www.france24.com/en/20160503-ttip-us-eu-greenpeace-after-years-negotiations-dying-slow-death
https://theconversation.com/fact-check-is-brexit-the-way-to-escape-ttip-59943
You are completely mistaken.
Theres no goverment more neoliberal than our own and they are not leaving any time soon.
Even the heads of the NHS trust are all for remain, and they know a fat lot more than we do.
>>690979008
Wind your neck in you halfwit.
Leaving the EU would cause a temporary dip in the economy. If you trust Osborne's fear mongering to make us stay in then all fool you - typical remainer.
We'll also have a dividend to spend on the NHS from the old EU budget.
Less of a strain on the service from the freedom of movement will also save money.
If you're voting remain in the belief that you're protecting the NHS - when the EU will have us signed up to the TTIP deal, then you've been conned, and you're a fool.
>>690979625
You refuse to budge from your view despite huge evidence to the contrary.
And I never said Farage wants TTIP, I said he is ideologically opposed to a national health service which is true.
>>690980150
Switzerland, Iceland and Norway are all Schengen countries with huge net immigration, less border control than we currently have.
They all pay fees towards the EU. They all adhere to the single market regulation we do. They gave up their veto/rebate rights.
Whatever they want to say, I'm not really interested. I've heard it all before.
>>690979604
really ? seems like i was badly informed, do you mean trade deals only concern eurozone countries ? What exactly is europe for if not for this ?
>>690980643
Nigel Farage is a nationalist.
He's not everyone's cup of tea, but if you think he's one of the people who's pro breaking up and privatising the NHS then you're very much short of a clue.
>>690976110
Amazing how... rough... the channel is...
Be a shame if they... didnt make it
I hope those perfidious albionites leave
with europe as a single political unit, the continental system can be revived, shutting out that surly lodger from their markets.
>>690980300
The wide worlds economists estimate it will be an insane self mutilation of our economy. Fuck all do to with bloody Osborne.
The leave camp has promised that money to new services every single day. You're buying into lies from our elite.
The NHS benefits hugely from free movement of people, from migrants bringing in more tax revenue than they take out to actually filling a huge amount of the roles in the service.
You are a fool.
As soon as you say you are voting out, people instantly think you're some 65 yr old who hates immigrants and wants our country back. People aren't looking at this logically and realistically. It WONT fuck us over at all, people are too scared and worried about taking a leap of faith which could change the UK for the foreseeable future. I am still skeptical of handing ALL our power to those idiots in parliament without a 'safety net', but there are some great people in UK politics who I hope could drive us forward.
The whole Leave/Remain campaign has pissed me off beyond belief - it's been the most bitter campaign on both fronts I've seen in a long while. It's almost made me not vote at all, and the only reason I am leaving is for the simple notion that we can get things moving in the right direction pretty quickly. We can avoid shit like bailing Greece out and dealing with other countries' problems. The UK isn't what it once was, but we're more than capable with our infrastructure to go it alone and thrive.
>>690980676
>>690973604
>>690973746
>ITT delusional europigs fighting amongst themselves.
Funny.
>>690979981
then leave the fucking EU so we can be stronger together
>>690979998
oops, someone's jelly
stay mad faggot
>>690980215
>https://www.ttip-leaks.org
It's happening.
There's too much weight behind it, too much momentum. It will be agreed for the EU.
We'll have an early general election should we leave the EU. We'll be able to ensure the NHS and it's future is guaranteed by people who are accountable to us.
If we stay in the EU, it's completely out of our hands.
>>690981019
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/12/film-nigel-farage-insurance-based-nhs-private-companies
He's a nationalist for sure, and that has little to do with the fact he's also big on right wing economics.
>>690980300
I don't give a fuck what Osborne says. The fact that you think I do tells me you put too much stake in politicians. You should listen to the representatives of your services sector. The IMF, the Bank of England. Perhaps you should listen to large foreign investment firms with a stake in Canary Wharf's very leasing, like BNYM, J.P Morgan and Citigroup.
If they say they'll relocate, you better believe it isn't doing the economy a favor your fucking animal.
Keep believing in your brexit fairy-tale economy.
>>690981358
congratulations, you've proven the EU is one of the largest and most advanced markets in the world.
>>690981248
>It WONT fuck us over at all
Yeah, I mean it clearly will though
>>690981866
Are you autistic? You can literally see that USA has the largest and most advanced market. I know europeans are mostly regarded as stupid, but cmon.
>>690981510
That websites existence proves nothing
You're going to have to be more specific backing up your claim that it will still go forward despite several EU nations being against it in its current form.
>>690982201
Can you read?
Try again.
'congratulations, you've proven the EU is one of the largest and most advanced markets in the world.'
>>690981358
is this bait or are you just stupid?
>>690981178
The NHS is also burdened by the freedom of movement. Are you really going to dispute that you complete buffoon?
If we leave the EU we can still have migrants working in the NHS, but we'll be able to limit the unskilled workers.
George Osborne has convinced clowns like you that the sky will fall in and we'll see an immediate recession.
The consensus is that we'll see a short term blip. Most agree that he wouldn't equate to a recession, but a short term dip as the markets react.
A short term dip, for a long term gain.
And I believe it's fully worth it.
But if you want to be conned by Osborne, and Goldman Sachs and co, then go ahead - sign up for the neoliberal European superstate which will gobble up the NHS and continue to depress the wages and living standards of the poor in this country.
>>690964442
I don't care. I'm flipping a coin to decide when i'm there.
/edgy/
>>690981248
Also - I HATE the people representing the 'Leave' campaign, they're completely out of touch and don't represent 'Leave' supporters well at all.
>>690982201
>USA has the largest and most advanced market
Yes, nobody is disputing that. USA #1, now get the fuck out the thread.
>>690980883
Trade deals involve the whole EU.
But not being able to devaluate and control of individual economies is a Eurozone problem not an EU problem per se.
The Eurozone is badly designed, a currency union without a true political union (which the EU isnt even close to) is very difficult to work.
>>690981358
obvious troll is obvious
>>690981866
how could you fall for that?
>>690982438
>The consensus is that we'll see a short term blip.
The consensus is it will be more than a "blip" but yes, short term that's all we have to go on. Nobody is going to make a long term prediction until we know where we stand on the EAA you fucking autist,
>>690982000
..How? Negotiate our own trade deals? Still trade with the EU?
Explain
>>690973604
>>690982423
>It's the largest and most advanced market in the world that we are part of
After being proved wrong:
HURR DURR I meant its ONE of the best markets in da world hurrr
Literally autistic.
>>690965720
HUR DUR IMMUGRUNTS ARE BAD
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf
mate. Fucking behave yourself and stop assuming Mummy and Daddy know best.
>>690982425
>>690982770
>Europigs mad they got proven wrong so they play the bait card
>>690964442
itty bitty britain is mad that they don't own the world anymore so they're not going to play with others, so that's why they refuse to join the EU
they will never let go of their butthurt
why the fuck are there people on /b/ voting to stay in?
seriously stop being such a pussy and vote out, i honestly don't get why people are so frightened its not like you are suddenly going to be made homeless, more the opposite
>>690982438
None of what you said is accurate. You frustrating little shit.
The concensus around the world is that it will tank the UK economy, possibly damage the worlds markets too.
The UK does nothing but gain from being part of the single market, go fucking look it up.
Theres no excuse for being as ignorant as you are these days.
Osborne convices nobody. But the vast cross party, cross discipline concensus does.
You offer no support for saying the NHS is burdened by free movement other than using the word baffoon.
Try harder faggot.
>>690965981
it's actually closer to 160mil, and it wouldn't be a fucking drop in the ocean to fix the NHS.
Leave voters that use this as a basis are fucking morons.
I look forward to the crippled economy and upcoming scarcity of jobs and luxury when we leave.
>>690972031
Nobody in the US hates Britfags I'm pretty sure
If I met someone who hated the British I would find it very weird
>>690982880
>Hurrdurr the US IS BIGGA
You clearly don't understand the word literally.
But the point you made makes no difference. The UK isnt going to join the US is it.
The UK is currently in the best position possible, inside one of the largest most advanced economies in the world.
>>690982867
>Still trade with the EU?
Under WTO tarrifs and compete with their single market, yes. For obvious reasons, that arrangement doesn't exactly favor us. We'll also pay more on imports, and we import 4 times more from the EU than we export.
>Negotiate our own trade deals?
With who exactly? USTR has a clear stance: they're not interested. Go on their website, look it up. China would prefer we stayed part of the EU. Who are you negotiating with?
Keep in mind you're talking about SERVICES. Not exports. 80% of our economy is services-based. We produce and export VERY little, and nowhere near enough to compete with a production powerhouse like the US or Germany.
You throw WTO tariffs onto our European services market there's simply no incentive for them to invest in the UK at all. They'll just do what they've already pledged to do: relocate. This isn't scaremongering, it's common sense.
>>690983081
>frightened
No fear, just not incapable of logical thought.
>>690982690
i agree with that last part. But if trade deals apply to the whole EU it means you can't do protectionnism and thus cannot control your economy. I really hope uk leaves, mostly for the fact i leave in france and here, leaving is considered an extreme opinion. I think we need the uk leaving for people to realise it's feasable, so that we can do it too. Once the EU is emptied from its main members it wont oppose any competition and the UK won't be so much damaged. We could have a mondial economy that is not full libertarian porn.
>>690983827
W/e europig.
>>690983023
>refuse to join
Are you retarded?
>>690984063
The EU is protectionist though?
what do you think our agricultural support is? Supplimenting our farmers so they are not outcompeted by external imports from africa etc.
And i'm not implying thats always a good thing either, I mean it sucks for North African states. But the EU regularily practices protectionist policies.
>>690967153
>>690966823
Well both of them are starting to close the borders, every country has a limit.
>>690983370
The narrative that it'll utterly tank the world economy is created by globalists who are set to lose from us fully regaining our sovereignty.
It's a narrative designed to scare plebs like you into doing their bidding.
As I said, I recognise that we'd be set for a dip in the economy. But it would not constitute a recession.
And all the predictions many pro remain economists have made are based on the presumption that we wouldn't sign alternative trade agreements post Brexit.
It's nonsense. That you've been fully conned by.
We'll spend circa two years negotiating the terms of our exit and trade deals with Europe with a Brexit. There's a specific EU charter for the exit of a member state to ensure that leaving country's economy is protected, likewise the Eurozone.
The sky will not fall in. We're the world's 5th biggest economy for fuck's sake.
And if you don't believe the freedom of movement places a burden in the NHS, then im afraid you're utterly clueless.
Wake up and realise what great an opportunity Brexit would represent for this country.
>>690984126
Enjoy your decrepit cess pit americuck.
>>690964442
in
if i was a bulgarian i'd be doing exactly the same as they're doing
i like the idea that i could just move to germany tomorrow
the uk is one of the richest countries in the world so duh we'd get immigration either way, and if we stop poor migrants coming in who will do all the shit jobs with the same enthusiasm and productivity?
everybody will complain about the 'good old days' when we leave and nana has to pay more for her strawberries
>>690984623
Anyone who votes to leave should be held financially liable for any actual losses incurred by remain voters as a result of filing Article 50.
This includes equity in property, job losses and loss in the value of state pensions.
This is because you're clearly too fucking stupid to understand the basics of how our economy functions, but still able to vote to crash it.
>>690968813
That's the problem. Only half of them are actually people really fleeing from a warzone. The rest of them are just economic migrants. I encourage you to look that up, as i recall the eurstat claiming 40% economic migrants but i could be wrong.
>>690969382
>Kumbaya singing dumbfuck
>>690966598
Wow there sure are alot of muslims in britian now. What the fucking shit guys, i thought with the crusades and shot they would be afraid to live there.
>>690984623
We have our soverignty you eejit. Any EU law has to be ratified by invidual nations governments. You don't even understand how the EU works.
What would this magical alternative deal look like exactly?
Would it resemble Norways or Switzerlands where we still have to pay membership, use EU regulations on our products and accept free movement of people? You are truely naive if you think otherwise.
Part of the reason we are the worlds 5th largest economy is due to us being part of the single market, people invest here because we have great access to Europe as a whole.
Hell we even use our access to the market to negotiate our own trade deals.
You still haven't backed up your NHS burden claim, despite me willing you to try your best. You're not great at this are you?
>>690970359
>I bet
How fucking old are you ?
>>690985186
Short term loss, long term gain.
Anyone who votes remain should be held responsible for the continued depression of wages of the working class in this country, the continued depression of living standards and the continued strain placed upon the NHS. The lack of social housing growing ever greater, the housing crisis growing deeper.
The rapefugees that'll migrate here freely once they get their EU passports in Germany.
The cultural genocide of Europe via Germany's guilt ridden self destruction which is flooding the Eurozone with millions of third worlders.
That's what you're voting for, and you should be held responsible for it should we go that route.
>>690971451
I seriously want to beat the shit out of dickheads like you, maybe also kick you in the face while you're down.
>>690985222
If they are then they are likely to be sent home. It's actually quite difficult to be granted asylum y'know. You have to be able to prove your nation of origin for starters.
Besides, immigration has regularly been shown to benefit the economy.
>>690986297
What a well thought out position, you've really swayed me.
>>690986257
>Short term loss, long term gain.
According to who lmao. You? Boris?
>>690984577
yes it is, but as it is mainly a trading organization this protection comes with deprotection on other domains, for exemple steel i think. I don't want to criticize how good it works since i really aint knowledgeable on that subject but my point is, this economic strategy is a partial denial of sovereignty. If you're a neoliberal it may suit you, but if you want a socialist economy it's absolutely impossible within the EU as the protection standards would be way higher.
>>690984623
>And if you don't believe the freedom of movement places a burden in the NHS, then im afraid you're utterly clueless.
>citation motherfucking needed
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf
TL;DR:
"EU immigrants pay more in taxes than they take out in welfare and the use of public services. They therefore help reduce the budget deficit. Immigrants do not have a negative effect on local services such as crime, education, health, or social housing "
"European countries with access to the Single Market must allow free movement of EU citizens whether in the EU (like the UK) or outside it (like Norway and Switzerland). "
That's from an independent team of researchers running off nothing but numbers. They're 95% UK funded and one of the members was against the idea of a single currency. They've got nothing in particular to gain from bias.
So even if we do vote out (and wish to continue to trade with the largest, closest potential trade partner) we gotta have us some immigrants: and that's actually okay. Honestly.
Further thoughts:
We've experienced the longest period of peace in Western history since the formation of the EU.
You do have a say in EU lawmaking: write to your damn MEP if you don't like the look of something.
>>690964442
voting leave cause mudslime Londonstan mayor can suck it
>>690966598
this is why im voting out.
Voting Remain because the EU is the first truly viable step towards a Terran Federation.
>>690985186
sorry cry tard EU is going down. get out before you titanic
enjoy your shit skin rape fest
>>690986717
The EU has been developed into quite a neoliberal institution for sure.
But it's been evolving since its inception and I honestly believe it can become a greater socialist force. There is great desire for it across the continent, I suggest watching Yanis Varoufakis talk about it and the buzz that's creating.
As for steel the EU tried to protect it from chinese dumbing by slapping a big tarriff on imports but the UK government vetoed it.
>>690964442
stay because i'm not a right-wing retard
>>690969865
Interesting, liberals in america are considered flower kissing hippies who want more human rights than needed, like social justice warriors. You sound like our conservatives who are more about preservation of the old ways and considered out right wing.
>>690986794
This guy knows wassup.
Got sources and everything, don't see shit like that from the brexiteers.
>>690986257
I wish that a leave vote would actually change anything, sadly our politicians are complete cucks and will allow the refugees in either way.
>>690965720
I am a Pole living in UK. From what I have seen over the past 16 years living in here, Britain have weakened because Brits are becoming fucking lazy and obnoxious. Many of Brits believe they are entitled for better life, better jobs, better everything but will not bend a finger to do anything. They will moan that the immigrants, bankers, politicians are the cause of their problems but will never do any self reflection or do actual work to do better for themselves than rely on the universe or some sort of miracle. I came here as a low skilled worker, worked hard, educated myself to Phd level (although I might not be so eloquent in writing I am good in tech/science) and now I have a decent job with good prospects for the future. I cared for this country and wanted to settle but not anymore. I am here for another two years for job experience and then I am out. I may not be more welcome across the Atlantic but at least if you work hard then you get rewarded for it.
>>690986717
i vote stay.
the only way we fix the world is with a one world govt. the best way to get a one world govt is with the EU.
VOTE STAY!!! the world needs this
>>690987838
Come to Canada. We love Polands here
>>690987868
this X 1000
the population is out of control. the only chance is a one world govt.
vote stay... the world needs this
>>690986297
why? the comment you reply to is the first one to base his comment on real evidence and quote it
you sound like the kind of degenerate that contributes to crime rates, sir
>>690988224
I am thinking of Toronto. Since I am in technology/finance sector I need some decently sized city. Plus I am happy to work hard and pay taxes to a country that welcomes hard working immigrants. I don't want to go back to Poland as I don't feel connection with my country.
>>690988569
the only ones that want to go to europe are the shitskin rapers
And judging from the nonsense on here, I'm assuming you out folks all gobbled up the fun fact of "£350mil a week". That £350Mil a week is a figure that includes payments from UK households to EU institutions, a figure provided by the Office for National Statistics.
They themselves say it isn't a suitable figure by which to approximate our membership.
A recommended (by both the ONS and the UK Statistics Authority - both independent organisations) figure to consider would be just under £250Mil a week (£14Bil a year), with rebates (for agriculture and various investments in the private sector) of £4.5Bil a year bringing a slightly happier number of our overall contribution:
£163.5Mil per week if you're just looking at 2015
£136Mil per week if you're looking at the past 5 years.
Super secret sauce: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/483344/EU_finances_2015_final_web_09122015.pdf#page=44
They should stay tbqh, they are trying ti get away from their problems, that'll bite them in the ass one day. In WWIII America will likely destroy them and ally with Europe to wipe the commies of the map.
vote leave Brit fags, If you do we (Netherlands) will be next and Denmark will follow too.
>>690964442
>What are you fags voting and why?
You mean "What would you fags vote if you were old enough?" Or "What are your mummy & daddy voting?" Don't you?
>>690987838
fucking finally a decent statement
i worry for the productivity of uk labour if we stop letting eastern europeans in
>>690986794
Many of those EU immigrants are taking jobs that low skilled British workers could fill.
We needn't have the extra migration from the EU, we can take the essential skilled migrants, and snub the rest.
What I'm saying is that much of the migration from the EU is unnecessary.
And that is an unnecessary strain on the NHS.
Our MEPs are more or less toothless, and you know that.
The reason there has been peace in Western Europe for so long is due to NATO - not the EU.
If you believe it's down to the EU then you're deluded. It was the EU pushing for influence in Ukraine, and vice versa, which contributed to war there with Russia.
>>690989026
We aren't going to though.
look at Norway. It is possible to not join the EU and still do all the business things like free trade etc.
>>690988569
Toronto is a good choice, if you don't mind the winter. Vancouver is nice, they don't get real winters out there, but housing is very expensive.
>>690988824
but how else will we support the shitskins raping all of the white girls?
>>690986794
Heh, GAY!!!!!
Vote leave. We don't give a fuck about war. Donald trump and Boris Johnson are gonna lead us into glorious reclamation of our plundered welfare payments.
A vote for stay is akin to working Americans voting for more wetbacks. My country is my country, not yours you gay ass liberal bbc3 online gargler
>>690988824
Did you include Thatchers rebate in that?
Its funny the likes of Boris and Gove always forget that rebate she negotiated seeing as shes like some sort of God to them.
>>690989132
Not without free movement of labour though.
>>690981178
>rom migrants bringing in more tax revenue than they take out to actually filling a huge amount of the roles in the service.
>You are a fool.
That has to be some of the dumbest shit i've read in a while. I suggest you stand up in front of a concrete wall, do about 20-30 steps backwards, then proceed to gain as much momentum as you can and run face-first into the concrete wall.
Your poor excuse of a brain obviously needs a reset.
>>690989132
Norway can only sustain itself because it has a shit ton of oil. Britain would be completely economical y and politically isolated from the rest of the world with a brexit
>>690989113
>Many of those EU immigrants are taking jobs that low skilled British workers could fill.
>We needn't have the extra migration from the EU, we can take the essential skilled migrants, and snub the rest.
>What I'm saying is that much of the migration from the EU is unnecessary.
These are all directly refuted by the link I posted.
Where are you getting your facts from?
I'm basing my statement on the writings of professors in Economics and Political Science: they have dedicated a career to studying this shit and determining facts based on evidence. I trust that a damn sight more than anything else I've seen.
>>690989113
Actually it was Ukrainians getting sick of their Moscow loving government and wanting to become part of the EU that kicked off the protests which eventually resulted in a new government which Russia then began to oppose.
British workers could fill those jobs sure, but are they? Those positions being filled creates more wealth and therefore more jobs in total, so its beneficial for us all. If they came over here and found work then they are perfectly entitled to it.
Unnecessary stain on the NHS - citiation still needed.
Your statement about MEPs is meaningless.
>>690987838
So we educated you, you benefitted from our institutions and now you're bailing out?
Some gratitude that.
Another reason to vote leave, so ingrates like you can't come here to suck the teat of our nation and then fuck off as soon as you've got what you want.
>>690989113
>Strain on the NHS
Are you even trying? We generate more tax revenue from EU immigrants than they cost in terms of public services. By what fucking metric is that a strain?
>>690989654
No one is going to stop doing business with the 5th largest world economy that has a hand in 80% of the sipping industry because they split from the EU. That is a deranged fantasy.
>>690990035
If you can prove that, consider me voting remain
>>690976360
>unless we change
You mean pay some unelected foreign cunts to make our rules? You fucking idiot.
>>690989621
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration
Even sky news knows more than you http://news.sky.com/story/1366933/eu-migrants-pay-in-more-than-they-take-study
You continue to be a fool.
>>690976940
Isolated incident? You are retarded.
>>690990264
have a look at these >>690990351
Gew on you know you wanna
>>690989957
He paid his taxes, paid for his education or received a company bursary. He doesn't owe you shit you fucking blood sucking socialist parasite.
>>690990161
It's a moot point, were staying in.
>>690977420
Your brain has been stolen m8.
>>690989957
Don't worry, they all come here for the freebies and then suddenly find a reason to attack us once they're done.
You act like you're shocked?
>>690990264
Do I need to spoon feed you?
>open link in original post
>CTRL+F "NHS"
>Read through relevant text
>look at sources
>ask yourself "Do these sources look legit? Are they biased? Do they come from a suitably academic background or is it just the ramblings of some sensationalist arsehat?"
>if YES, agree with statement
>if NO, disagree with statement
Congratulations to your beginnings in critical thought.
>>690990833
No need to be mean to the guy, he clearly expressed he was open to having his POV changed which is more than can be said for most fuckers.
>>690964442
Conservative Brits to Scotland
>We're stronger together!
Conservative Brits to Europe
>We're stronger without you.
Fucking idiots.
>>690990161
Most of UK's exports go to the EU, but oh wait the UK won't be in the EU anymore and thus the import prices will rise making UK exports into the EU not lucrative for investors
>>690990833
>>690991007
Sorry man, just salty as a fresh clam with the unsubstantiated bollocks running around pretending to be factual.
>>690990264
Fickle.
Vote leave to protect the NHS from the TTIP deal the EU are currently negotiating.
The TTIP trade deal that will open up the NHS to further, mass, privatisation over the coming years. I would be the end of the NHS as we know it'll
That's what you're signing up for if you vote remain.
The only way to ensure the future of the NHS is to leave and to entrust politicians answerable to our electorate with its future.
If we remain in the EU it's out of our hands.mand as the EU trade minister said last year in reference to the protests against it across Europe, she "doesn't get her mandate from the European people".
Leave because fuck the frogs and Nazis
>>690964442
You must be talking about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCyepuLt8Q
I voted down.
>>690990728
>you're all lazy entitled scum
>I took your benefits and was educated by your institutions, and now I'm leaving
>bye, and fuck you and your nation
They really have some fucking nerve. Ingrate scum.
Brexit here we come.
>>690991141
hahah Thats totally fair. It's mind numbing confronting people who won't accept well reasoned positions supported by evidence for hours.
Wish someone would straight up accuse Boris of "unsubstantiated bollocks" on tv
>>690964442
Out because I'm not a cuck
>>690991466
Not happening, sorry!
>>690965240
I get why they are voting leave, i live in the north west and where i live my area is pretty much run by asians and polish. They don't really respect the area or the people in it. Obviously leave or remain won't make a difference. I'm voting remain
>>690990596
So you think this nation is just a whore for foreigners to use and then dump when they've got their fill?
Fuck off you no borders parasite cuckold.
Keep being ashamed of your heritage and who you are. Melt.
>>690991155
>willing to see reason in an argument and allow it to influence their view
>calls them fickle
Everything you need to know about brexiters right there.
The TTIP argument has been throughly debunked in this thread by multiple people.
Get a grip on reality.
The greatest threat to the NHS is our current government.
America is better
I'm voting remain because my mum told me to.
>>690991883
It hasn't been debunked, at all.
It's heavily disputed. You've deluded yourself that it's not going to happen so you can rationalise taking that enormous risk by voting remain.
>>690991155
You keep spouting the same shit but you don't seem to be backing it up.
Should I just take your word for it and vote leave?
>>690979998
>beachless mountain retard
>Switzerland needing beaches
Have you ever seen pictures of switzerland? If they never learned what a beach was they would die happy, the country is a living landscape wallpaper.
>>690992056
Closest to a truthful answer there's been in a while.
>>690991155
...are you broken? You appreciate that the conservatives mandated being in favour of TTIP in 2015
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/manifesto2015/ConservativeManifesto2015.pdf
and they have been the biggest proponents of NHS privatisation.
Stop considering that voting leave will allow us to be free from TTIP, it most assuredly will not.
