What does /b/ think of vaping? Why is there such a stigma on vaping? It's shown to be healthier than smoking, and is a great way to get your nicotine fix without fucking your lungs. Why is there a stereotype of vaping, and people who do it, being awful?
>>690689772
Because people like me like the hobby side of it. MUH CLOUDZ
Because between people not knowing the difference between smoke and vapor, and that douchebags like to blow giant robot cocks to make monster energy flavored rainfail occur, vaping is good if you dont get in peoples faces. From both ends.
I just recently started vaping. It's helped me cut back on smoking and I pike the variety of flavors of oils you can buy. I can also sit back in my office at work and take a few puffs and no one says anything about it.
vaping isnt safer, its just newer. The flavors and scents added to the liquid are chemical compounds. Add heat to the compounds and they break into different molecules. Some of those molecules can be just as if not more dangerous to you as cigarette smoke. Basic chemistry people. Vaping liquid is unregulated and no one is studying the breakdown of the chemicals because well they dont care enough. They have tried for years to stop people from smoking and even the knowledge of cancer and death from smoking hasnt put a dent in it. tripling the price per pack hasn't slowed it.
And most people who vape also smoke so when they die of something they will blame it on the cigarettes and not the vaping liquid. but keep deluding yourself that vaping is completely safe. Now if you just go with water and nicotine only liquid you may be safer
>>690691426
But I don't have heart palpitations ever since I switched. That must say something? And I can actually exercise without getting out of breath.
>>690689772
If you use it in order to break your addiction to nicotine, like using gradually weaker juice, and then you stop once you're down to no nicotine, then it isn't gay because quitting smoking is never gay. Quitting smoking is straight. But just vaping because you think it's cool is essentially the gayest thing you can possibly do this side of blowing your own uncle.
>>690691237
Watch this,he sites some reliable sources.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKRj7VcpnQ
yes stopping smoking will help respiratory and circulatory issues, thats a given. But no one knows what these new compounds are going to do in the body yet because they are unstudied. Consider yourself the guinea pig. quitting would stop all your issues from smoking and keep you from finding out first hand what vaping can really do to you over the next ten years
People hate vapers because the stereotype is that they are teenagers who otherwise don't smoke and think that vaping is cool. If you are using it to get off smoking cigarettes then I believe it is okay, however vaping for fun or as a hobby is the stupidest shit ever in my opinion. Why don't you just go smoke weed or do some party drugs if your going to do anything. Its not like vaping really does anything for you.
did you go to the sources and read yourself. Never trust someones word and a few good sources. make sure you go in an verify that they didnt just take the parts they like to make their point. No i didnt watch it and I dont know what the point of the vid is, but thats because I dont care enough. If you do care then do your due diligence and verify the so called facts
>>690692561
Nicotine is a stimulant that can be useful in increasing focus, and relaxation. So vaping CAN do something for you.
>>690693473
Drink a cup of coffee, dipshit.
>>690693643
Why not both?
>>690693825
Because one makes you look gay and the other doesn't.
In the end my point and purpose is to open your eyes to the fact thiat this is new and noone knows how safe or unsafe it is. and no one will for a long time just like it was for tobacco. So it is your choice to continue and hope for the best or stop and let others go before you. I would suggest nicotene patches, hard candy and time if you really want to stop.
>>690693473
If you're not using vaping as a temporary tool to quit smoking, then you're an actual queer.
These are the facts.
Because faggots want to be dragons.
This is my vape. Makes me feel like a sir. :3
>>690693473
i agree and i love it and that's why it was hard to quit cigs, but vaping was an easy switch
>>690693643
it's not the same tho, i like to use nicotine almost like a prize. like get this and this and this done and i'll take a 5 minute vape break as a reward/clear my thoughts. i have yet to find an alternative to fill that need.
I know many people who started vaping to quit smoking/nicotene addiction over 2 years ago and havent stopped either yet. thats the point. synthetic nicotine is most likely more potent then the natural nicotine from tobacco. just a guess though based off of other natural compounds and their synthetic counterparts
>>690694211
*tipping intensifies*
by more potent i mean rmore addicting
>>690694394
nicotine = nicotine
i don't think there is a synthetic nicotine (i.e. a separate chemical). i believe it is just extracted from natural sources.
>>690689772
You shouldn't be smoking either you idiot. Nicotine is bad.
Vaping is still gonna fuck up your lungs. Just not like cigarettes do.
>>690691237
Vegetable Glycerin (Used in concert fog machines, FDA approved), Propylene Glycol (which they use in hospital ventilation systems. That's what you smell in a hospital. Also FDA approved), nicotine and flavorings. That's it. Oh, and the nicotine is extracted from cordwood not tobacco for most juices.
>>690692379
Can't be worse than the 7,000+ chemicals in cigarettes at half a pack a day. I'll take my chances.
>>690693948
You're the one looking at a vape as a cock so I think you missed the trap thread you likely belong more in.
>>690693967
The data coming out of Europe is saying it's 95% safer than cigarettes so far over a 5 year study so I'll take my chances.
>>690694358
>i have yet to find an alternative to fill that need.
Start making it so you have to earn your faps, instead. Get this and this and this done, you can lurk a trap thread.
>>690689772
I just can't for the life of me understand why people smoke tobacco. There's literally zero benifit. If you're gonna smoke smoke a joint. At least that why you get high
>>690694870
Nicotine has been shown to be as safe as caffeine. What makes it dangerous is the tar from the cigarette smoke.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/
http://www.electroniccigaretteconsumerreviews.com/is-nicotine-bad-for-you/
>>690695123
Nicotine gives a good buzz and relaxing feeling. There is benefit.
natural nicotine=synthetic nicotine. um no. natural sources usually have compound that counter/buffer the stimulant within them and make them less effective, addicting or damaging to the body. ea is a great example of this. it is well documented nd studied that teak drinkers are able to take in high amounts of caffeine from tea without going through caffeine withdraw when they stop drinking it however no such luck for those who get their caffeine from synthetic caffeine put in soda.
>>690695191
Yeah ok sure.
Anything you put in your lungs that's isn't air is bad.
>>690689772
>e-cig
>vaping
pick one
5 year studies out of Europe is what you cite. really? you definitely arent in a scientific profession are you? how long do we live? how long do we want to live? 5 years is not long enough for conclusive studies.
>>690695460
Dont cook
Go near a car
Go near bakery
>>690695637
The two terms are almost synonyms. Vapes are just refillable. A lot of E-Cigs have similar ingredients.
also do you bother to read the studies? could you understand them if you did?
lots of things are fda approved. but those approvals are for specific uses and amounts. go above them and they become harmful and dangerous. how do you know if youve gone above the limits if you dont even know whats in the liquid? vape liquid is not fda regulated
>>690695692
They've only been out since about 2007 so no, it's impossible for longer term studies to really come out. Sorry you don't grasp how a longitudinal study works. In absence of 50-70 years of data we don't have I'm gonna trust the findings of over 3,000 of Europe's best physicians.
Most pills haven't been on the market for over 30 years, but is that long enough? Should we take them all off the shelves until we get a lifetime of studies? 5 years might not be bad but with findings of vaping being 95% safer already I'll take my chances over cigarettes.
>But MUH NICOTINE PATCH!
Yeah. Go look up its success rate next to vaping and come back when you do some research into it.
>>690691237
that's why i vape unflavored. 3 chemicals: vegatable glycerin, propylene glycol, nicotine. also, i'm using it as an aid off of ciggies, gradually lowering the mg of nicotine.
>>690689772
Because the loudest vapers are trendy faggots and/or hipster trash who hold it over everyone else as if it makes them better than us. There's a stigma attached because the most vocal vapers put it their by being intolerable, obnoxious, pretentious cocksuckers.
My question to all papers
>How do you know the heating elements in these things aren't producing volitile metal vapors that you're inhaling?
I vaped for like 2 months and stopped because I couldn't answer this question to myself enough to feel comfortable.
Also:
>How do you know the flavorings in the liquids are not volitile/harmful when heated to vaporizing levels? Think diacytyl or whatever it's called. The shit that gives u popcorn workers lung. That shit was in liquid for a while until there was a big stink made about how detrimental this stuff was to your lung tissue (popcorn workers lung causes your lung linings to separate and can only be treated by lung transplantation.) I know they took this particular chemical out of juices, but I'm sure they are using some analog of it to get the "creamy" flavor.
The tests comparing smoking to vaping were looking for similar harm caused by burning plant matter... vaping could be harmful in different ways entirely.
Also so much of the heating elements come from China and stuff... if Chinese dog food has been wildly contaminated/quality control completely terrible to the point of poisoning consumers, what makes u think industrial metals would be any different?
>>690695460
don't have the source atm, but remember reading a study that found no significant difference in the amount of toxins in exhailed vape vs typical outdoor air
>>690696098
Vegetable Glycerin is FDA approved for being safe to breathe in. If you've ever been to a foggy haunted house you've breathed in much more than any vape could produce in such a small timeframe. Never heard of anyone dying from it either.
>"Oh, poor anon died from going to too many places with fog machines!"
As for Propylene Glycol there's doctors that breathe that in for 14+ hours a day at hospitals. Ever heard of one dying from it? Thought so. It's also FDA approved to be breathed in in quantities higher than a vape can produce.
Nicotine? Yeah, probably not gonna be the best for your lungs. That's just what you accept, but there's juices with no nicotine if you wanna avoid it.
Food flavorings? Well, might not be the best either. They've never been observed for consumption in aerosol form, but you can buy pure forms of either of the first two if you wanna avoid it.
I'm just glad you aren't trying to say people will get popcorn lung because that's a joke.
>>690696264
funny guy. I understand how studies and statistics work, its part of what I do and deal with regularly. Thats how i know how easily they can be manipulated to fit ones interest. but thats not my point in any of my posts. My point from the beginin was that because these are new studies are no good for long term health potential related to vaping. European studies utilize liquids available and regulated there, while we utilize but dont regulate vape liquid here, so their studies who no value to us in the united states.
>>690696891
>How do you know the heating elements in these things aren't producing volitile metal vapors that you're inhaling?
you source your wire and build your own coil, If you think the wire has been treated you burn it off
>>How do you know the flavorings in the liquids are not volitile/harmful when heated to vaporizing levels?
you look or the GCMS sheets, If you work in a food factory you will be inhaling 10x the amount than you do over the course of a week in one day
you also buy juice from venders with an iso lab
people know which chemicals will be volatile
>>690697007
It's not arresol form... it's been exposed to 1000 degree temperatures to vaporize it. That's way different than spraying them extremely finely in mist form.
>>690697155
that's why i only purchase through vendors who give detailed gc/ms data on their liquids
>>690696891
1. Because you can look that up and see that they don't on the Internet. The biggest controversy with that was with use with Nickel wire. You need to hear Nickel up to 1500 degrees F for any traceable "bad chemicals." If you can get your coils to 1500 degrees F and hit it I salute your steely throat.
2. Oh god, you actually believe that. Just look up how much diacytyl comes out of a cigarette and the "creamy" juices. Then see how no one has died from popcorn lung from cigarettes. The ones that contract and died from popcorn lung worked in popcorn factories for decades. You have a better chance of your anime waifu becoming real, getting struck by lighting and having an elephant fall on her than you are to get popcorn lung from vaping.
>>690697342
How do they know these things? Do they hire chemists? These labs aren't regulated. Juice can be made and sold by anyone.
vape if you want, I don't care if you get cancer or not
>>690697699
I didn't say getting popcorn lung from diacytyl. I said all the analogs of it that can be used without any mention and the vendor can proudly say "diacytyl free!"
>>690697784
yes major ejuice venders hired chemists from the food industry
the labs are regulated to meet iso specifications
Its up to you if you want to buy from someone who doesnt have one
>>690697699
>>690698005
Besides that was just one example of a safe to consume flavor at one form that becomes volatile at another temperature... there could be many different kinds of effects from different flavors being heated to vaporization levels.
>>690697664
unless the vendors produce the liquids themselves there is no guarantee the chemicals stated are in fact used. also, chemical reactions may occur once the compounds are mixed together to make a new compound not listed on the sheet. then you also have to take into account the heating of said liquid and possible new chemical compound as well as the known compounds to determine what you are inaling after all reactions are complete. thats a lot of chemistry, can you handle that? if so please do show us your work and put together a study, I would be happy to take a look at it.
>>690698150
Ok could u name a very reputable vendor then? Maybe I'll whip my old mechanical mod out if u guys can convince me of these questions
>>690697155
So do I, as a matter of fact. I've also done my research on it as where you've just listened to Fox News and read articles that pop up on your Facebook News Feed. If you can't trust the findings of some of the top physicians in the world you need to consult with a psychiatrist.
They used a lot of different juices and I bet you some were from the U.S.. You're really pulling at straws when you should be doing research.
>>690697434
It doesn't get to 1000 degrees. Ever. Please go find the nearest hot water heater and place your lips around the hot water outlet pipe. Highest temps are usually around half that. Please go do your research and use some common sense.
>>690698344
digbys juices in the uk
If you like aniseed or absinthe try the dr Jekyll, this juisce got me of 30 a day
they even show you the lab
thinking you are smart and trying to show it by quoting studies tells me a lot about you. some good some bad. If you dont know the science behind what you talk about then you are dangerous
>>690689772
its not vaping thats the problem its the people who vape that are the problem
i vape tho so...
>>690698344
Five pawns
Cutwood
>>690696379
ew that cant be pleasant
>>690698414
The heating eelements, particularly the ones used by "cloud chasers" are getting very hot. Your estimate of temperature here is just retqrded. U can calculate the temps of the metals by knowing their properties and using voltage to do some basic math and u will arrive at temperatures well within the 500-1000 degree range. Just look at the coils. They glow near white hot.
>>690691857
blowing your uncle isnt gay you faggot
>>690696891
Kanthal and Nickel Wire don't heat up high enough to release those treated chemicals, same goes for Stainless Steel, Nichrome, titanium, etc.
>>690698414
in fact i haven't cited a source or television network, though you have. all i have talked about is good old fashioned chemistry, you know the stuff your liquid is made out of
>>690698414
Are you honestly comparing the temperature of the vapes mouthpiece to the temps of the heating elements used to vaporize the liquid?
>>690698729
it's not too bad, kind of sweet/sugary? and much cheaper cause i can buy from liquid suppliers
As an alternative method of smoking, please vape away for the love of mike.
If you're doing it as a hobby because you think you're cool you should just speed up the natural cycle of life and death.
I find it funny when someone says that something isnt possible then tell that person to do their research before speaking, but doesnt actually provide any research of their own to back their statement.
>>690698209
Entirely possible but that's the inherent risk. Nobody worth anything is selling to minors, and even if they do it happens with cigs, booze and drugs every day. Can't stop that.
>>690698245
The burden of proof rests on you. Until you can find sources to prove your point you're just going off of hearsay and propaganda. Do some research, there's loads of information out there.
>>690698344
Just look through reviews. You'll find plenty.
Just a disclaimer: I'm not saying all regulation is bad. I want the bathtub juice makers and shitty mod makers out of business too. I support ISO grade labs. I do not support the grandfathering date or the $300k+ per juice PER NICOTINE LEVEL fees to be federally approved. Oh, and the FDA can not approve it even if they don't find many harmful side effects.
>>690699129
y'know, i was skeptical at first but you may be on to something. it really really bothers me when my flavor of a juice i like is off and i need to change my cotton or coils, especially on my BFT tank because it holds alot of juice, so you can imagine the frustration when you fill it to find it tastes off.
however i just started buying juice from a head shop in town and they are doing bogo free 50ml for 20$ and thats a god damn steal
>>690696379
I was thinking about getting some unflavored juice tomorrow when I go because I tend to get tired of my flavors after about a day. Is there really no taste at all or does the pg/vg have some kind of weird flavor when you vape it with no added flavor?
>>690699696
(atleast in my town, vapor markets vary drastically city to city. theres about 20 vape shops here though so its pretty 'cutthroat')
I personally think vaping is for fucking faggots unless youre trying to quit smoking
>>690699788
not the anon you are talking to but i would suggest having several flavors and re-wicking between.
>>690699988
Full house checked
>>690699788
VG has a sweetness like playdough without salt to me
>>690698601
>>690698993
>>690699075
I'm not gonna argue with ignorance. Do research then come back.
>>690698768
Please do give me a source to that claim. Even do some math if you want.
>>690699988
its the same with car and bike people
>>690699422
again with the throwing the "find the proof" back at the other guy with out your own? and still completely unable to comprehend the fact the chemistry is my proof and if you need me to cite a source, that would be a chemistry book. you can find them everywhere so it shouldn't be hard for you. i bet there is one hanging around your house right now. anymore smart ass i know better than everyone comments?
>>690700058
My local vape shop sells buy 3 get 1 free bottles so I usually get four different flavors each time I go. I don't have an rda though so once I fill my tank I'm kinda committed to that flavor until I change coils which is usually once a week
>>690699422
What are you talking about the burden of proof lying on the guy applying skeptical doubts to your claims that the flavorings used in the liquids are safe to inhale. You are the one putting the proposition "the flavorings of the vape liquids are safe to inhale". He is questioning this claim by bringing to light things you don't seem to have considered in a qualified sense at all. What the fuck are you talking about the burden of proof resting on the person questioning your claim. The negation of your prop. "the flavorings in vape liquids are safe to inhale" requires no proof, unless you think that vape liquids being safe to inhale is the default... that's a pretty naive way to look at the category of things that can be inhaled in the world. Generally it's much smarter to say they are unhealthy until proved healthy.
Tfw you'll never be as cool as vape granny.
Because people have made a lifestyle of it. Because driving down the road and being hit by someones enormous cotton candy cloud of saliva and vapor is not exactly appealing. Because the vaping community is worse than the stoge community when it comes to blowing their shit right in your proximity.
>>690699788
best description i can think of is maybe like a very faint maple syrup? i could see it being too bland for some, but for me it outweighs not knowing what chemicals are being used to flavor them.
>>690700415
ah if you dont have a rda or rta (rebuildable tank) youre just kinda screwed. i think a rebuildable tank or atomizer is well worth the money though.
i will warn you though if you vape and drive, youre not gonna wanna use an rda. its just flat out dangerous, as bad as texting and driving. id keep your tank for that.
>>690700198
spoken like someone who knows they have nothing to back themselves up with. the burden of proof is on the person trying to prove their point. I prove mine with chemical reactionsbased on fundemental chemistry concepts, you prove yours with "I'm not gonna argue with ignorance. Do research then come back." wonder whos proof has more weight? hint: not yours
>>690700724
oh and make sure your device can supply the power needed for either of those. anything below 30w cant really put out an enjoyable vape imo
nice lightsabers
>>690689772
I only vape when I cant find a cock to suck. Not even joking. Im gay and use vaping to cut back on my cocksucking
>>690700344
Nice dubs. I honestly think this guy is either delusional or genuinely an idiot. These are basic chemistry questions he's just not remotely addressing.
>>690700198
whatever charisma and power you have over your friends that allows you to persuade them to your thoughts wont work out here. cold honest truth is you arent as smart as you think you are.
>>690700612
i vape unflavored virtually no smell, cannot stand that cotton candy smell. instant headache. can smell it just thinking about it.
>>690701052
thank you. i am glad you get my point. that is all i was trying to do was inform people that many chemical reactions are happening in these devices and that not all of them can be safe. this guy that keeps arguing with me didnt like me using real science i guess
>>690700785
Okay. Write out the chemical reactions that take place. Saying "Hurr durr read a chemistry book" ain't cutting it here. Until you can do that, I've talked about what's in juices and your precious FDA finds them safe for aerosol consumption.
Go ahead.
>>690701389
Yeah I honestly think he is an idiot who has only ever discussed these questions in an echo chamber of other delusional vapers... I've heard vapers say things like "vape liquid has 3 ingredients, pg, vg, and flavorings! Doesn't sound like there's anything that can be harmful there." Like they honestly thought that the number of ingredients in a material were the relevant thing to bring up, and not the many chemical compounds interacting in it.
>>690701052
I wonder if this is the first time someone has ever shut him down? life lessons are hard sometimes, i hope hes not emotionally scarred
>>690702146
IT IS NOT ARESOL CONSUMPTION. ARESOL is when you make a tiny mist of particles of a liquid. This is flash-evaporation due to exposure to extremely high temperatures of metal alloys. It doesn't matter which particular chemical reactions he may or may not be referencing. And his failure to put forth any does not undermine his warranted skeptical doubts that somewhere in this big chain of chemistry, it's not at all inconceivable that a harmful substance unknown to all participants is produced.
You're honestly a fool.
>>690702146
I can do that but again you missed all the points. let me reiterate one time for you. vape liquids arent regulated in the united states, this means that noone truly knows what chemicals are in these liquids, which then comes to the conclusion that there is no way to know for certain what people who use these devices are inhaling. easy peezy no chemistry equation needed.
>>690702691
It's so basic what we're saying I'm honestly confused how this is going over his head... like bro, you just look foolish.
>>690690827
bet they are thinking that your fag though.
>>690702691
>>690702859
I'm not even that guy but watching you talk to yourself is funny.
>>690702859
it is going over his head completely. but he has convinced himself that he cant be wrong and most likely doubts my claim that i am in fact in the science/health care field.
>>690689772
Used to be that you could do it anywhere. you can still vape in some places that you can't smoke in but alot of places are banning them just like smoking. But before that I remember people just walking around sucking on it the whole time they are shopping. I was doing a game release at my store one time and had a guy standing there in front of the register sucking away for the whole hour. It might help some people quit but it can just give others a constent source. i've seen them on big gaudy chains too. That and it's said that they are healthier and that will put people in a smug state of mind. Like driving a hybrid.
>>690703201
umm yeah thats not me talking to myself.
>>690703201
Not same fagging. Phone won't let me access my gallery to show screenshot proof but yea..m
>>690703201
though now that you mention it i wish i would have thought of it
I vape here... mix my own juices, etc... and even i think that people who go on about how it's a lifestyle are fucking stupid.
If you like it, cool... if you don't, neat... who the fuck cares. just do it, and stop being so cringeworthy of it.
>>690700995
Biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard.
Doesn't even deserve a bait meme
>>690703708
Bro r u being ironic he obviously doesn't do that
>>690692333
*cites
>>690689772
Popcorn lung
has this thread gone longer than anyone expected?
>>690704321
not really... last few times this thread has popped up, it's gone the exact same way.
O just got a uwell crown off a friend of mine and just changed the coils. I'm pretty new to sub ohm vaping so how many watts should I set my box to for a .15 ohm coil?
I know of 4 people in my town who basically drowned themselves by vaping.
Heavy users, and apparently after the autopsy came out it was due to an accumulation of propylene glycol in the lungs.
really. is that guy always in here trying to make everyone else find proof? this is my first time in the vape thread, i dont smoke so i never clicked it before
>>690698768
...white hot? Jeez man. You smoked like 5 packs a day or something? I have only ever seen them glow you know, red.
>>690704207
Cigarettes contain Diacetyl...10-100 times as much... soooo...
>>690704834
50-75 is a good starting range... probably could get just under 100, if you really want to push it.
>>690704899
that would be interesting to see the studies, no offense meant towards the deceased of course. But that information would be good for people into vaping to hear and see in a published study.
>>690705209
Won't really matter.,.. as long as big tobacco exists to pay money to put a spin on a study, they will.
>>690700612
so like, do you just hang on to their door so that can happen as they drive down the road? Crack the window and it all billows out and vanishes cause you are FUCKING DRIVING. Are you daft? The wind would make it instantly vanish.
Also, don't blow huge clouds in public. protip. be polite, not a douche.
>>690694394
my water is more potent coming through city water than my well, so whats your point?
>>690705597
seconded.
>>690694588
You do not get more addicted, you only get more of a tolerance. ffs how is this hard for you to get?
>>690705371
i meant the autopsy studies. i guess findings would have been a better word choice. its hard to spin an autopsy report, 4 would be difficult to say the lest. but yeah your right people are easy to persuade nowadays so maybe not so hard. its pathetic really, that noone can think for themselves anymore.
>>690689772
>What does /b/ think of using a douche flute? Why is there such a stigma on using a douche flute? It's shown to be healthier than smoking, and is a great way to get your nicotine fix without fucking your lungs. Why is there a stereotype of using a douche flute, and people who do it, being awful?
Fixed that. To be honest, it's like the vegans of trans faggots. nobody gives a fuck if you go about your business quietly like normal people. But you're not.Using a douche flute is what terrible stupid faggots do
>>690694870
incorrect
>>690703558
this dude gets it.
if you like to hit ecigs and have friends who do so, who fuckin cares. it's nice to have around the house or at certain parties.
I never go blowing it in strangers' faces, and I never talk about vaping 'lifestyle'. I just use a nice high quality vape in my private time, and I like it a lot and have the money to keep with it.
>>690704899
Shit man, I have a buddy who almost died because of that shit. They basically just said he had pneumonia, but he wasn't sick, just fluid in the lungs.
He vapes a lot, so I really wouldn't doubt it.
>>690705933
based dubs.
I mean, it's fun to mix juices and share that shit... but, I've been shying away from shops these days because of the cringey fucks that hang out there.
I'm not going to say I don't dork out with it. Time and Place for everything, right?
>>690704899
I'm gonna need some sauce on that. There had to have been some news report.
That's the thing why would you stop doing something that slowly kills you isn't that the purpose why you smoke?
>>690702691
well, I don't know if you have missed the recent news in the past year. But yes, yes they are now. It's being rolled out this year at some point. But now all ejuice makes must submit their recipe for regulation.
I buy my juice from a store who works with a lab. so all of their juice is regulated. and I am sure the majority of the big names brands are already regulated as they would make their juice in a lab. It's the little gas stations and seedy hole in the wall shops that have the more...questionable juice.
>>690694937
This
>>690705673
my point was that i dont believe vaping is not meant for smoking cessation but actually to make people more addicted, but as i said it is a guess based off other natural versus synthetic compounds and their potency. I did not claim absolute proof, just a theory. I did not have the care or the financial backing to do a study on nicotine receptor binding of tobacco nicotine vs vape nicotine.
>>690698768
I don't think I've ever seen any type of coil get white hot, not even at 200+ watts. You gotta have some unregulated Hammer of God series box type shit and even then you'd have to hold that button for awhile.
Brightest I've ever seen is orange, especially after wicking is done since no one's gonna run just coils without cotton. That'd be retarded.
>>690706741
It's nice to have opinions.
>>690705113
In cigs its burned off, not attached to smaller molecules that absorb deeper into lung tissue like vapes
You kids will always think you're right until you realize that not even your precious FDA can be trusted and is bought like everything else
>>690706410
I work in an ER and I've personally seen a few people die after coming in with shortness of breath, after having had COPD symptoms.
Both deaths attributed to "pneumonia."
>>690705815
no you get more addicted and gain a higher tolerance. nicotine fills nicotine receptors, nicotine receptors can and do multiply allowing your body to accept more nicotine thus increasing tolerance. the added receptor sights also increase addiction and withdrawl symptoms as the receptors empty
>>690706741
The nicotine is derived from corkwood, a member of the nightshade family just like tobacco and tomatoes. Don't know how much natural it gets.
Some might use some crazy nicotine imitator but I've never run across a juice that did since I only buy from guys I know that make it in ISO labs.
>>690707081
riiiight... the FDA... the ones who introduced High Fructose Corn Syrup in less than 3 months, without long term studies, because of a sugar shortage... we can trust them...
>>690694937
/thread
Propylene Glycol is a petroleum-derivitive.
Any of you idiots who think you should be heating that shit up and inhaling it deserve cancer.
>>690706975
yep sure is. as long as you dont try to make people think they are facts. and i very clearly did not try to make what i said come off as a fact.
>>690689772
>What does /b/ think of vaping?
General opinion is that vaping comes with a fedora.
>Yeah I know I probably responded to b8
>>690707126
well, pneumonia can kill people. and with health insurance that is 250 dollars through the wonderful Obamacare system for the basic of healthcare, I could totally see someone getting sick and dying of a sickness that kills people and not being able to see a doctor.
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema, is a chronic lung disease that makes it hard to breathe. The disease is increasingly common, affecting millions of Americans, and is the third leading cause of death in the U.S. The good news is COPD is often preventable and treatable
From the American Lung Association front page. So yeah man. Try again
>>690691237
>the compounds break into different molecules
>break into different molecules
>different molecules
Fucking kek, this nigger thinks combustion and vaporization are the same thing
>>690707571
That's correct. You did make it obvious that you had an opinion. And I reminded you that it is nice to have them. My statement had little to do with questioning it, and more reminding you that your opinion really doesn't amount to much more than those nice feelings.
Did we clear up this conversation, then?
>>690707861
You're the idiot, Burning the oil in your vape combusts Glycerine into formalderhides - it's scientifically proven
>>690707404
It's also found in antifreeze for sensitive use and de-ices airplane wings. Just vaporize it and smoke it because this may be the only way of stopping the real cancer: Millenials
Anybody tried CBD juice? There's a store in my town that sells juice with PG, VG, and CBD (cannabanoids, chemical in Marijuana that doesn't get you high) rather than nicotine and I've heard people who switch from nic to CBD have no nic withdrawals and basically quickly and easily cure their addiction. Anybody know anything about that?
>>690707404
they use it is inhalers. Go tell a guy with asthma that. That he should deserve cancer.
>>690708049
neat. It's nice to quote things spoon fed to you by sponsored content.
>>690689772
m'vape
natural doesnt mean safe. and i never said it did. I said natural products contain generally contain buffers that help minimize addicting effects. when you seperate the compounds it becomes synthetic which is what your corkwood nicotine is. it no longer has buffering agents found in the natural product and as such would cause it to be more addictive, that is if it had buffering agents in the natural product. on way for me to know for sure as i dont study corkwood very often
>chemistry
Show me some fucking math, faggot. Can we get some links up in this bitch?? No one has backed their argument up.
>>690707781
lots of laughs
>>690708370
No one will. It's faith based. "Our science is true! Our science is strong! Simply believe and it will be so!"
>>690691237
Yes basic chemistry that you don't understand - it's all to do with the difference of temperature the vape burns at. Vaping is safer than smoking because of the chemicals it doesn't produce.
>>690708205
Again, another shit argument. Think the asthma puffer is chasing clouds like you dipshits do? No its one puff when needed. Jackass. God you millenials are fucking dumb
>>690702691
Selling a product that poisons your prospective customers is just bad business. If vape juice makers didn't remotely know what they were doing, word would get out quickly that they're making toxic shit and not to buy from them.
That's drug dealer 101, kiddo.
>>690708667
>Selling a product that poisons your prospective customers is just bad business
Unless it is highly addictive. Just look at RJ Reynolds
>>690707861
hmm seems that was bait. leave a vague comment so that I can reply to defend myself as you expected and then you come back with your planned retort to make you look witty and feel proud cause your so smart. good job fella give yourself a pat on the back. i bet you get all the ladies with that wit
>>690708825
or the corn industry
>>690708825
Or any meth dealer
>>690708869
nah, no ladies. I'm on an internet forum, arguing with a self righteous git like you. I don't feel smart, and I'm not self absorbed enough to think this was part of a massive plan.
I'm just you... on the other side of a screen. We're all Anon, right?
>>690708869
Not difficult to bait a moron
>>690708667
I bet thats what they told the big tobacco industry too when they wanted people to use their product. howd that work out for them?
>>690708869
Please......fucking an hero
Cancer will most likely be cured by the time I'm old enough to be diagnosed with it so I don't see the point.
What I'm currently using I like vaping apposed to smoking. I smoked for like 5 years and switched to vaping and feel much better. There are some fags in the community but what community dosent have a couple of fags in it. Go with what is best for you op
>>690689772
Cool lightsabers.
>>690708636
no, but that is in a aerosol based delivery system. And there are also lots of other medicinal uses for it to deliver medicine. So I would imagine that the amount of raw chemical would be higher in a inhaler than say just some of the liquid being vaporized. And have you ever seen someone use an emergency inhaler?
Puff, puff, hold your breath for 20 second. exhale. then rinse and repeat. You might be thinking of one of the inhalers that you take one puff on and that is to help prevent attacks through out the day, but you have your emergency one on you all the time. I was also born in the 80's. A shit argument is your argument. All you can do is screech.
>>690709352
right?
>>690709076
>crushing waves of self-inflection
>who am i?
>what am i?
>am i 4chan?
Damn, didn't think tonight I'd be contemplating the paradoxical existence of everyone being Anon.
>>690709489
Man, how new fag are you? That's an old as fuck joke.
>>690709489
Sure is summer in here isint it
>>690708667
Alcohol, tobacco, under arm deodorant, etc. All poisons, all sell like hot cakes. Don't you have a Facebook page to edit? Millennial moron
>>690709714
you can get the fuck out, too
I vape wax its easier
>>690709720
You, also.....please fucking an hero
>>690709577
>tfw calling me out on the ultimate inside joke that everyone, myself and yours included, already knew
>>690707669
The thing is, it only happened after they were vaping heavily for about a year, and they were under 30.
But yah, just call it COPD and call it a day.
>>690709407
"You would imagine" stopped reading there
If grandma had a dick she'd be grandpa
>>690709076
yep definitely a witty fellow, and in record time too. all anon for sure. isnt that why when can talk so openly to one another?
>>690710071
grats on proving me right
I hate summer..
Cigarettes and Vaping are both pathetic activities enjoyed by weaklings. Adults addicted to sucking on pacifiers are fucking ridiculous. Babies suck on pacifiers, not adults.
And let's not forget that you are all also drug addicts as well. That's why you spend all that time sucking on pacifiers, because of the drugs.
Fucking sad pathetic losers.
>>690709949
>>690710084
seems someone didn't get the joke.
>>690709921
Go be a millennial some where else. Wait. This is /b, stay here
>>690710205
It's nice to be idealistic.
>>690710051
well, how much had they smoked before hand? if they were 18 year old kids yeah. bit more concerned. but if they were heavy heavy smokers for years before they switched to vaping then they could have developed COPD from the actual smoking.
Regardless, I smoked for 8 years.so that is a concern, but my smokers cough went away so that's something yeah?
>>690710165
Spoken like a true 13 yr old vaping girl. Your feelings are neither fact nor prudent
>thread full of Milleneals
>bickering about vaping
>consider calling each other 'Milleneal' as an insult
>mfw no face for this farce
>>690689772
Shit lords trying to convince yourselves that this is anything but unhealthy. Vaping depending on how much you do it is like sitting in a sauna more than once a day, too much water in your lungs and "you're gonna have a bad time".
>>690708049
Except it's not oil, and there is no combustion, since it is a physical change, not a chemical change you fucking mongoloid.
>>690710230
>millenial
You act as though you're older, and yet you're on b..In a thread about vaping..The smell of Dorritos and a sad fucking life are strong with this one.
>Why is there such a stigma on vaping?
BECAUSE YOU'RE DISRUPTING OTHER PEOPLE BY DOING IT AROUND THEM
FUCK OFF
Fucking faggets
>>690710919
you weren't doing anything important anyways.
>>690710555
Oh no! The retort!
>>690710919
Trace amounts of spit in that vap cloud too.
>>690710678
Except it's not water and your analogy sucks, as well as your lack of basic chemical knowledge.
>>690711131
beats the trace amounts of shit you spew when you talk? I don't know, I'm the fuck outta here.
>>690689772
As much as I think vapes are mouth fedora's, they did get me and my wife to quit smoking. We've saved thousands and are healthier.
We don't even vape anymore.
>>690710865
Look down. See, you can't see your dick, Millennial. Please keep vaping, the whole lot of you. It won't hurt you, you all know nothing about everything and everyone else but you knows it
>>690710207
nope sorry i miss read what you said the first time. now you got me thinking about the poem the egg. thants right im all anon and when we all die ill be a god..
>>690711230
I've yet to read anything bearing any actual chemistry or math..
>>690710555
>>690710071
You didn't even read his response. You really are mentally challenged. Way to go nigger
>>690699696
Vape shop near my buddy sells 120ml bottles for $23. Can't believe I was buying 15ml bottles for $8 from another shop. How2getduped
>>690711391
With your low self esteem? ... if you don't believe in yourself, that's blasphemy...
ahhh, bloodhound gang...
>>690711401
Keep cloud chasing and get all your gender confused millennial friends to do it too.
>>690711401
Glycerol is heated up to its boiling point, where it endures a PHYSICAL CHANGE and does not breakdown into any metabolites and is turned into an aerosol.
>>690711268
5 years ago in high school kid fell over in PE later found out he had water in his lungs. Wonder why...
>>690711638
no, don't buy that. It's too cheap. Sounds shady. 35 would be better. But the 150mls I get are 45
>>690711557
Chase that cloud, slaggo, it's harmless
>>690689772
The most dangerous thing about vaping is it dehydrates you.
>>690711401
well my point was that if you dont knw whats in the liquid you cant figure out what it turns into when combined and heated. but even if I knew I wouldnt care enough to actually do the equation since i dont smoke this stuff to Begin with. well i meaning me on this computer, not me meaning you on that one
>>690711749
>wonder why
Making assumptions is not factual.
>>690711812
It is relatively harmless. Read a study for once, or hey, open up a book.
>>690711230
Okay then Rutherford, let's see you build a replicate structure of Ununtrium.
>>690711868
Except it doesn't breakdown, since it's a fucking physical change and does not combust.
>>690711646
is it possible to be self righteous with low self esteem? well i guess it is if you compare me to other self righteous peolple. sorry im sure you were making a joke again there but as i am pretty new here i dont quite get it so my mind went else where.
>>690711902
I knew him to be one of the cool kiddos who'd go behind the school to vape.
>>690711749
Tard handler probably forgot to pull him out of the pool. Just saying... you went to school with tards.
>>690712037
Or hey, get some wisdom and see that history repeats itself. Are you the Marlboro man?
>>690712150
What is this, a 5th grade science fair?
Yeah let me run to the hobby store for some straws and foam balls.
>>690712349
Go listen to Hell Yeah by Bloodhound Gang. you'll get the joke, friend.
>>690712405
Oh yeah history. Too bad it changes.
>>690710673
>>690711800
and I make 30ml for $1,5. high quality ingredients, of course
>>690712361
I want to see evidence of this. Otherwise, you're just another anon making shit up to choose a side.
>>690712349
>new fag admits to being a new fag
I've seen it all, /b/ros
>>690712570
Millennials
>>690712865
Try-had Millennials.
>>690712865
>buzzword
Wow faglord you sure convinced me with those hot arguments
>>690711902
Had a buddy who heard he could see some weight loss if he vaped and exercised worked for a bit but he to callapsed on the treadmill and his doctor told him to quit following his ordeal.
>>690711812
>>690713222
trips means it's true. Vaping's over, guys, go home.
>>690713222
Maybe he assumed nicotine could help as an appetite suppressant. In that case, nicotine and cardiovascular activity do not mix very well. Same could've happened with patches or any form of nicotine. I doubt it was the vape itself apart from the nicotine.
>>690712688
Where's you're evidence. Water and lungs don't mix well anon. Dont tell me you're dolphin-kin or some shit.
>>690713377
Dub dubs confirms
>>690713177
I will never and won't ever want to convince you. Learn the hard way and keep vaping, the whole lot of you
vaping is shitty. Unless you're vaping weed.
>>690713588
dubs confirms what was confirmed by the confirmation of trips.
>>690713588
Dubs confirms dubs confirming the trips
>>690712171
heat added to the liquid solution can cause the reaction of compounds within the solution to breakdown or combine before the liquid is vaporized and inhaled into the lungs. thus you have inhaled something you didnt know was in there.
>>690709352
here's a lightsaber vapor machine
>>690713553
IT'S NOT FUCKING WATER IT'S GLYCEROL YOU FUCKING IGNORANT SHIT YOU CAN LITERALLY OPEN UP GOOGLE AND SEARCH UP THE FOUR INGREDIENTS OF E JUICE
GLYCEROL, PROPYLENE GLYCOL, NICOTINE AND FLAVORINGS.
Water CAN be in e juice but that generally doesn't happen. And when it does, it's fine. You know why? Have you ever been in the fucking rain? Or showered, gone in a humid area? You know, outside stuff? YOU ABSORB WATER FROM THE AIR ALL THE FUCKING TIME AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. IT IS NATURAL TO INHALE WATER VAPOR. Otherwise how would people in humid areas fucking be alive? Holy shit nigger, think!
>>690712753
nope just new to actually engaging. usually i just lurk for nude pics of ugly women with fucked up pussies
>>690714163
dude... stop vaping so much salt.
>>690713972
'Reaction of compounds'.
Ok there's 4 compounds. Glycerin, propylene glycol, flavorings and nicotine. Which two or other combination of these has been proven to reflux successfully to create another chemical?
>>690714257
>Salt
Didn't realize people still used that unironically.
>>690714257
Fuck you, if you're not gonna take part of the discussion get the fuck off your computer
>>690714431
I only go to 4chan ironically.
Everyone keep vaping and get all your friends to do it. This may be the only way to get rid of the worst generation
>>690714457
sorry dad.
>>690714382
do you know the chemical structures of the flavorings? there are quite a few flavorings out there
>>690714575
XD drown in syndrome...
>>690714233
Your honesty gets you a gold star
>>690714593
I'm just glad you're not calling me a millenial anymore. It's like every single response nowadays is 'oh the millenials' 'oh this generation is just dumber than ours', nah fuck you, stop using sorry ad hominem excuses and actually argue with me like a real man you fucking pussy
>>690714575
I'm sure your parents said that of bad synth pop and coke.
>>690714791
Millennial.
you were asking for it,
>>690714639
>>690714639
I'd like to see how any of these structures could react with glycerin (which is very unreactive), propylene glycol (which I am working to eliminate from my juice consumption due to harshness), and nicotine, a fucking parasympathetic stimulant.
>>690714928
Pussy
>>690714791
Melyneel scum.
>>690714791
....but you're a boy, you haven't earned man status
>>690715098
you are what you e... fuck it... this whole thing is getting stupid.
>>690715128
>>690715193
told you.
I'm considering taking up Vaping for the Nicotine. I've never smoked ever, but feel I could benifit from Nicotine.
>>690715482
dude, just buy e-juice and rub it on your gums. cheaper that way.
>>690715028
id say the esters found in some flavorings may could do it. but i was thinking more along the lines of multiple flavorings being added to the solution or other components not stated in the ingredients list.
>>690715482
Do it. Get your boy friends involved too
>>690715193
I've noticed millennials get their big boy hairs much later
You'd think a generation that sucks so much dick would be getting them sooner
>>690715576
Except i'm not a crack head
>>690715482
That's why I do it. I smoked like 3 cigarettes ever. I just use 3 MG of Nicotine and its a fun, relaxing addition to gaming for me. If you want to try it. go for it.
>>690715655
I'm on b, I don't have friends
>>690714769
yeah but my image selection isnt by choice, its just all thats offered on here.
>>690715709
Now, I can't believe that. Everything online is a lie. you must be a crack head.
>>690715768
Yup, I think it will enhance my late nights
>>690715577
Here's a good thread on which ingredients to avoid. Generally it's the buttery ones but here you go http://vapingunderground(D0T)com/threads/ingredients-to-avoid-using-in-diy.102/
How are the pre-loaded ones you get from the quick stops? Are they a good way to try vaping?
>>690716240
sure
>>690715883
Vaping, outside of the douchey "Cloud Chaser" subculture, could be similar to cigar smoking. Done as a hobby to enhance what you normally do, or to socialize with others who do it.
>>690716382
cringey as fuck.
>>690716007
wow did someone actually put titanium dioxide in the liquid? that is... well i dont know how to describe what that is. but it must have happened to be on that list
>>690716382
Millennials
>>690716240
no, they're horrible and don't last. vapor production is shit and flavor is shit too.
pick up a 20 dollar eGo kit, will save you much time and hassle. it lasts longer, the coils that make the vapor are replacable and cheap, and you can have whatever flavor you want.
here's a good one for you:
http://www.madvapes.com/aro-clearomizer-ego-kit.html
>>690716551
I guess early manufactures just didn't know any better. But as people progress and knowledge increases, my hope is that we find a good formula that is GRAS.
>>690716818
as i said i dont smoke but i do wish the best for those of you who do. everyone should be able to enjoy the little things in life that make them happy and those little things should be safe if at all possible for people to do as often as they like. Hopefully some regulation and stable/safe formulas will come out of this in the near future
>>690717373
Thank you. I am glad to have had an actual conversation with you. Good man.
>>690717690
thank you. it was a pleasure to converse with you as well. its good to know that not everyone here is a smart mouth little shit. but perhaps no one here really is, its just that they never really stop to have a conversation beyond "tits or gtfo". again it was good talking to you but i gotta hit the sack, it is 4 am here.
>>690707404
also cools the pipes in every draft beer system in the world since ever
>>690695191
Dude, vaping is like drinking coffee. Imagine if the only way to get caffeine was to inject it, and someone comes along with a coffee maker.
Everyone would be saying "as long as it helps you break your caffeine addiction", right? The FDA would be trying to regulate coffee makers out of existence and they would be marketed as 'caffeine injection cessation products'.
Meanwhile, vaping is just simply enjoyable in the same way as smoking, with much, much less harm.
