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>>690115265
I don't know exactly where it all went wrong.
I'm disappointed in my nation.
>>690115265
Not sure what your getting at. It's not like we're leaving our allies to the fucking Nazis, we're leaving the EU but are still in NATO and the U.N. When Germany decides it's time to remove the kebab we'll help them out.
>>690116471
Europe was fucked, it was in the shit and needed everyone to band together, which we did
now we're chickening out becauase it's getting difficult
It's not fucking british
>>690116763
So we're supposed to continue propping up a failing Union out of principal? I hate this 'We're Britain, we're not quitters!' rhetoric the Remain side are spouting. You're allowed to leave a bad relationship after 40 years.
>>690117031
Fine, so we leave, then we have to wait 2 years (article 50) before we find out how fucked we are
>>690117031
Leave it for what? I'll trust what we have over anything Boris, Nigel and Gove can negotiate, they'll have us fucked over by Europe and turned into the rest of the world's bitch. They can't even get their figures straight on an established number, useless cunts.
>>690117721
It's not like we'll have to sit around for 2 years twiddling our thumbs. We'll make our deals and prepare. Not saying it'll all be smooth sailing but this isnt for the present, it's for the future.
>>690117923
So the sole reason you dont want to leave is you dont like our current political establishment? What happens in ten years or so when a PM and House you DO like is handcuffed by the EU?
Your under the impression we have already left the EU. My political sauces tell me we will stay in the EU, however it will be very close but never the less the news papers are wrong, most of them belong to Rupert Murdock and can't be trusted. Don't buy into the hype.
>>690118084
>We'll make our deals and prepare
We can't. We aren't allowed. While the negotiations are going on we WILL have to sit twiddling our thumbs while our fate is decided. We will be in a 2-year limbo, unable to talk to anyone, because the people we would want to tall to will have no knowledge of what state we're going to be in when the two years are up?
Also, who the fuck wants to trade with a country that just runs away from their problems?
Time to go. Leave the abusive relationship. The house of cards will tumble soon enough.
>>690118382
You can't even spell Sources.
The Sun backing the leave campaign more or less secured the remain win. They backed labour in the last election, If I recall.
"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
>>690118483
>Also, who the fuck wants to trade with a country that just runs away from their problems?
What on earth are you talking about? This is high school. China isnt going to resist going steady with us because we didnt go to the dance with Europe. Jesus.
>>690118795
>China
stop talking
>>690118795
isn't high school*
>>690118249
Of course not, I'm very much pro European, think it's because I'm northern Irish so more socialist at heart.
I don't want to see further privatisation of our public services and believe it would be economic suicide. Alongside that have you actually looked at the exit criteria, there is no way on earth we are going to get any of what is being touted by the Brexit crowd, how would it be in their interests to let us get out easy? And I don't believe the trade deficit argument it's minimal at best and in fact works the other way when you bring the service sector into the debate. (Something specifically excluded from the EU's trade agreement with Canada).
>>690118795
Have you looked at how China deals with other countries? Look at their decision to Apple today for an example. It's 100% on china's terms or get fucked.
>>690115265
Fuck the EU. Vote Leave!!!!
>>690119103
Immigration is stretching our public services to breaking point.
>>690119103
N.I is 98% white British, of course you dont see the problem with remaining.
You know what I hate most about this? That it's a referendum. That Cameron is such a weak leader who can't hold his fucking party together he's just gone "oh well, let the people decide" as if we're supposed to know the consequences of Britain suddenly severing all it's trade deals. What the fuck do we pay politicians for if not this?
>>690118608
Quite possibly but throwing our toys out of the pram in a his system fit then trying to renegotiate with our ex partners after leaving will not end well for us. They won't let us off easy and if they were feeling vindictive they could scupper alot of our deals with other nations.
America, China and India care only about #1
>>690119675
>white British
I think you'll find there's some dispute about that...
>>690119675
I live in Birmingham, have done for the last 10 years, your move.
>>690119890
This thread isnt about Eire.
>>690115265
don't worry, I'm voting Remain and so are all my friends and family.
>>690120009
I'll probably just move to N.I where all the white Brits are tbh.
>>690120058
Didn't say it was. I said there is some dispute about if the people in Northern Ireland are British or not.
>>690119821
>he's just gone
No, he hasn't. Farage has been banging on about a referendum for years, and after their slightly positive showing at the last GE, as well as some badgering from some of his own party, he decided to relent and hold one. It was supposed to be nexy year, but was brought forward
> What the fuck do we pay politicians for if not this?
Abso-fucking-lutely, and Richard Dawkins agrees with you. This is not a decision that should be made by the public, we simply aren't qualified or educated enough to make this decision
>>690119589
It's not though, that's a red herring that has been thrown out there.
1. EU migrants are net contributors
2. EU migrants are predominantly Young with low levels of dependents
3. Immigration is a by product of a growing economy, it's always been that way you need workers to feed the economy.
>>690120148
Literally the worst of both countries. Think Macclesfield or Rhyl but the chavs ride horses for some reason.
>>690119890
Kek
>>690119821
yep, Cameron is a fucking moron for making that election promise. The Tories are so shit, it's just a shame Labour are even shitter at the moment with Jeremy "Just Let Me Go Back To The 70s" Corbyn and his fantastic band of SJW Feminazis.
>>690120222
trips speak the truth.
Migrants generally put more money into our economy than they get out
>>690120148
Wouldn't recommend it, they're highly reliant on EU funding (although the dumb cunts don't realise it). They also have a much larger public sector employment ratio than the rest of the UK around 25%
>>690120222
Basically. The native British are a rapidly aging population, the economy needs workers.
>>690120222
My mum works at a primary school. 15 years ago when she started there was 2 classes per yer. Now there's 5. There arent enough primary and secondary schools to keep up with the flow. Try living in London and getting a GP appointment in the next 2 weeks.
>>690119870
>implying the UK doesn't only look out for #1.
>>690120312
He wanted to steal votes from UKIP from single issue voters. It worked but now he has to deliver, and he's facing a split in his own party over it. Useless shitbag.
>>690115265
>globalist socialist scum invoking the dead of WW2
>>690120312
This is all gonna lead to PM Boris. God help us all.
>>690120188
Agreed, I've heard so many arguments for and against. Surely this is exactly what the politicians should be weighing up and deciding on our behalf. Teflon shouldered cunts.
>>690120350
yeah. Even though I think immigration has been too high in recent years (any Leicester anons, ever taken a walk down Sparkenhoe Street or Evington Lane? Shit's ridiculous) it's moronic to think that leaving the EU will magically halt immigration - besides, it's migration from outside the EU we need to worry about. I'm fine with Poles and Latvians coming here to do jobs our young people won't do - what I'm more worried about is the Somalis, Pakistanis and Eritreans coming, having shitloads of kids and not participating in our national life.
>>690120691
Imagine a Trump/Boris summit. And they fucking hate each other...
>>690120545
because the GP wages are so shit. All our GPs fuck off to Australia or America once they're qualified, because the pay is almost double
Want to kick out the immigrants? Try quadrupling that waiting time
>>690120786
No one is saying we should kick immigrants out (at least no one with any sense)
>>690120637
You realise most of the dead in ww2 were socialists?
>>690120545
Try not voting fucking Tory if you want improvement in your public services. They've ran them ragged, ask your mum about budgets and ever increasing targets for teachers.
Both my wife and I are higher end tax payers and get private health care through our companies have 0 dependents so do alright, however I would never vote Tory as that isn't the type of society I want to live in.
>>690120750
Yeah got to give it to the Poles they work hard and dont complain. One's I've met have been good lads too. Some of the women arent bad either so that automatically puts them light years ahead of Somalians.
>>690120691
I fucking know right. I can't believe how gullible the British people are that they cynically dismiss independent analysis but lap up the right-wing shit of the Daily Mail and The Sun.
EU should just disappear.
Everyone hates it.
It's just a mafia now.
A lot of people are ready to vote for whoever propose to leave this mess.
>>690120893
THAT'S THE POINT
You're one of the ones who have thought it through, but the vast majority of Brixiteers have been spoon-fed this xenophobic bullshit that all foreigners are a detriment to our socity and they're all going to be kicked out
i work in a builder's yard, you should hear the shit this lot comes out with
>>690121011
You can try not voting Tory in southern England but don't expect it to do anything.
>>690120603
Of course but we would be going to them cap in hand not them to us. I work alot in these countries they honestly don't care about us beyond the chinese women like barberry. (Although I think that's technically chinese now).
>>690121134
Brother. Ashford boy here. Voting means shit around here, they might as well be pre-crossed
>>690120691
Well, he does know the common man...
>>690120998
Not the kind that invites muhammed into his home to grope his daughter and tell him to convert or die.
>>690121182
I've heard this exact sentence said:
>"We don't need Europe for trade, we've got America."
That man is allowed a vote.
>>690121334
Just tea and biscuits on the first visit. We're British after all.
>>690121011
fucking this, I work in the NHS - the nurses in my ward aren't allowed to order new chairs to replace their broken ones because the Accounts department won't approve the expenditure - at the same time as the Tories flog off contracts to bullshit "service partners" like Interserve, Serco and G4S, who only hire morons and illiterate fresh-off-the-boaties so they can justify paying them such shit wages.
>>690118727
>"you can't even spell sources"
>because he spelled it "sauces"
>2016.5
>not knowing what sauce is
I'm an Americunt, and you're a Newfag
>>690120750
The thing people forget is that eastern Europeans are generally how we are with Oz it's a bit of fun to go work for a couple of years but they've no intention of settling long term (although inevitably some always do). Migrants from outside the EU are here to stay and they generally have more dependents and are more savvy around benefits.
>>690121129
Honestly I'll just be glad when this shit show is over. I've shut out so many friends and family members on both sides who just talk bollocks. Gonna get drunk for a week after the vote regardless of what happens and hopefully everyone will have shut the fuck up about it by the time I sober up.
>>690121624
I'm drinking already
But my facebook feed is sooo much lighter these days
>>690121129
Stay cucked, my friend
>>690121624
good plan - just be sure to vote Remain before you do.
>>690121134
Still need to vote man hopefully we will get PR once / if another party gets into power. Although can't see the SNP going for it
>>690121624
Preach man. At this rate the only feeds I'll be following will be dead people.
>>690121385
Jesus, have you saw the north American free trade agreement, makes ttip seem sensible.
Britain needs to vote to remain in the United States, they can't survive without us!
I blame the Romans for all of this.
>>690122203
If the fuckers had done their job right it wouldn't be an issue as we'd be all one big happy country, merrily shitting on the rest of the world
>>690122104
Yup. And not to mention Obama saying in plain English "We will trade with Europe before you."
It's that fucking creepy one-sided "special relationship" idea from the Iraq war that never went away.
>>690121471
Exactly both Boris and Gove are very pro NHS privatisation, they've published papers on it. It'll be gone within 2 years if we vote out.
>>690122428
If Trump were president he would support Britain leaving and trade with Britain before Eurocuck
>>690121871
No, not while they've got such a stranglehold on Scotland anyway. Used to be the same with Plaid.
>>690122353
No. Too long ago to know that.
>>690122603
That says more about Trump really doesn't it?
>>690122428
Again, it's a special relationship. Bit like the type of relationship an effiminate middle class white boy has with his cell mate.
>>690122673
That's he's loyal to his real allies?
>>690122623
The Scots are getting a bit sick of them mind you, it's the same broken record with no result.
>>690122541
fuck 'em both. I love how they claim the money we'd "save" by leaving the EU could be spent on the NHS - as if any of the Leave top brass give a shit about funding public services when they could just privatise it and laugh while the poor die in overcrowded unhygenic clinics that mortgage them to the hilt. The Tory party is dirtier today than at any time since Thatcher.
>>690122821
Not sure if any of his previous allies would say that
It's time to end this disastrous democratic experiment.
>>690122899
I fucking hope so, I'm sick of Scottish politicians acting like they've got the whole of the UK in a stranglehold when they only represent 1/13th of its population - which means that only 1/26th of the UK population actually voted for them. Our electoral system is fucking bollocks.
>>690122821
That he's a fucking moron who's only runs on base feelings and no idea what's good for his country. What tool would want America to trade with a single nation import-based economy with a strong currency OVER a continent-sized federated trading bloc. That has Germany in it.
You know what I don't think he is that stupid.
>>690123107
I'm sure you can speak from personal experience.
>>690123220
That doesn't really work. Try again.
>>690122924
I love how they bang on about £350m a weekand all they'd use it for, you realise that would fund our NHS for about 2 weeks. That's it!
>>690123211
The EU and NATO have worked out so well, huh?
>>690123317
From America's POV? yeah. A hell of a lot better than if they'd just relied on the UK at least.
>>690118483
>We can't. We aren't allowed.
This is hilarious because it's 100% wrong. It's the EU restricting trade with everyone else. Yes we are fucking allowed to make deals. The commonwealth have already decided they're with us. If remain want to keep spouting the "muh togetherness" bollocks then we'll be together with the countries we used to own, not scabby Europe.
>>690123317
Fuck NATO if there is one thing we should be getting out of its that. Fuckers are going to keep goading Russia and China until they start hurling nukes.
>>690123413
From our POV, we fund NATO. Without us, it wouldn't exist. Fuck y'all. Pay up or you don't deserve our protection. We're not your parents. Protect your own damn selves.
>>690123605
America is NATO. They really don't need anyone else.
>Britain gets so cucked that it has to withdrawal from the anal rapage of the EU to scramble for its own identity again even though nobody in the world cares about a used up whore anymore.
Thanks for the laughs though.
>tfw i'm american and have no idea what you silly faggots are on about
>>690123656
>From our POV, we fund NATO. Without us, it wouldn't exist. Fuck y'all. Pay up or you don't deserve our protection. We're not your parents. Protect your own damn selves.
See that's America's attitude, and frankly the reality. The UK is better swallowing it's pride and going with Europe. At least with Europe it can throw it's weight around a bit.
>>690123544
Have they? Fairly sure Australia, Canada and new Zealand have all said they'd prefer us to remain. The only other commonwealth countries worth mentioning are canada and India. India pretty much loves and hates us in equal measure.
Malaysia / Singapore are more interested in China and the remaining countries are all developing or third world or war torn shit holes.
>>690123656
fucking this
NATO has allowed the nations of Europe to spend less on defence than at any time in history because of American strength. If it weren't for NATO we'd all be food for Putin, no doubt. This is why I will always back staying in NATO and paying our fair share on the defence budget.
>>690115265
Protect europe? Lmfao protecting europe was just a method to ensure the enemy couldnt just advance to the islands. It was much more effective to start the fight in france than waiting for the germans to step foot on british soil retard. Though doing all this under the cover of protecting europe earned you lots of good boy points. BREXIT
>>690123918
Opinions aside; British people hate politics and politicians, we'll switch votes on a whim, and we never get what we want.
That's this thread in a nutshell.
>>690115265
>"allies" rob you blind
>you get away from them
>"COWARD!"
That's a jolly old laugh.
Also, if you don't think the 5th biggest economy in the world can manage to trade on its own then there's something seriously wrong with your head. People say Britain can be like Switzerland. Switzerland is nothing, Britain can be like Britain. You know, back when Germany didn't dictate your laws, your regulations and how many people you are to take in.
>>690123931
>swallowing it's pride
>swallowing
faggot detected
>>690123656
Funny you're right it does feel like paying protection money although more in a good fellas sort of way.
>>690120786
Please tell us again how socialized healthcare is the titties. Pwetty pwease with free market capitalism on top.
>>690124266
It's that large BECAUSE we're inside a gigantic trading bloc you twat.
>>690123918
TL;DR
>Britain is voting on whether or not to stay in the European Union
>The EU is all about trade, but has also led to easy migration and lots of red tape
>Britain hates mass immigration and red tape, but likes money and trade deals
>morons think we can have trade deals without red tape and immigration
>sensible people point out that with or without red tape and trade deals, immigration happens anyway, and trade deals are worth the red tape
>morons shove fingers into their ears and say "I can't hear you"
>The referendum is on 23 June and the polls currently say it's a dead heat
>>690115265
You can't use right wing propaganda to attempt to trick people into voting left wing.
>>690124493
Pretty much in a nutshell. Good job.
>>690124546
Yes you can. Watch Hillary over the next few months.
>>690124460
>Britain wasn't a fuckhuge economy before the EU
>Britain was only successful after joining the EU
Are you alright? Are you feeling okay? I fear you might have suffered a stroke.
>>690124721
He must not have learned about the British Empire in his EU school.
>>690124400
k. Couple of weekends ago, my wife slipped while on a walk on the hills near our house and hit the back of her head quite hard.
Couple of days later she was feeling like she had a massive hangover, so after taking advice from the NHS helpline,. we went to our local A&E. We arrived at 2pm, she was seen at half past. Her x-rays were at 3pm, she was given the all clear at quarter past and we were home by half past
all we had to pay for was the car park and refreshments
>>690124460
I hate idiots who act like we were a 3rd world country before the EU.
>>690124721
No, before the EU we were an Empire. An Empire that has since, quite peacefully, broken up. And reforming it is impossible without a serious curb stomping. We had serious trouble retaking a couple of shitty islands from the fucking Argies, you want to try reforming the Raj?
Our time has been and gone. Accept it.
>>690124721
Pretty much, they had 3 day working weeks, brown outs, mass unemployment, food rationing (over 10 years after the end of ww2) had to beg to join the EEC 3 times (as France were being dicks).
>>690124493
>The referendum is on 23 June and the polls currently say it's a dead heat
The same type of polls that said the last GE was close, as well as the last Presidential election
>>690124266
>5th biggest economy
Sadly it's through the financial services sector, propped up on foreign investment. Certainly not production and exportation.
If you think we'll stay that way after leaving the EEA you're retarded.
If you're voting leave with the idea of staying in the EEA you're even more retarded since we'll pay the same fees, adhere to most of the same regulations and still have freedom of movement with Europe. You've gained nothing.
>>690124957
Oooh yes that empire we haven't had for about 60 years.
>>690125143
They always do that to drive voter turnout.
>>690124721
do you remember the 70s? Or the 60s? Or the 50s? Or the late 40s? Three-day weeks, power cuts, militant unions, workers' rights being trampled over, protectionism, waste on a massive scale, senseless subsidies, annual balance of payments crises, massive cuts and our industries gutted as they became less and less competitive... yep, that's the way forward, right?
>>690121385
America here. We got you fam. You don't need Merkel's Europe
>>690124400
I love it when Americans visit the country, get injured and end up in hospital and then they stand around after waiting to pay. It's hillarious, sometimes they'll go a full half hour before someone explains how it works to them and their little faces light up. It's worth injuring an American to see that, really.
>>690125270
This is a good thing
>>690125143
The fuckers love to keep us on a cliffhanger
>>690115265
quit crying you are kabob and the non kabobs voted to leave the even more kabobed
just be happy that you now have a chance to de-kabob yourself
>>690124957
I learned about decolonization, clearly you skipped that part.
>>690115265
Just ask, man. I'm sure the U.S. will help you out with your mud problem.
>>690121471
This whole thread is peppered with great reasons why America wants nothing to do with socialized healthcare
>>690125378
Meh. There should be an IQ test to vote. I don't like niggers voting in my country.
>>690125259
Service sector is worth £6-700 bn, Germany is already lining up Frankfurt to take a large slice of that if we leave.
>>690125518
Was it Churchill that said "Democracy; where two idiots can outvote a genius"
>>690125143
Well it was close. The thing is the Tories had just enough votes in just enough counties, because we have a "First Past the Post" ballot system and a government that's chosen by the amount of seats it gets.
>>690115265
Boris, Nigel and Gove. My god I though Cameron were a shithead but he looks good in comparison, UK is so fucked
>>690125310
Where admiral akbar to warn us of this!!!
>>690125518
Please, i don;t like white people voting in my country, most of the ones I know are thick as pigshit, and that includes 60% of my immediate family
>>690121334
celebrate a genuine Swedish summer...
with lots and lots of butt rapes
>>690125696
It's a fair bet. Churchill is supposed to have said everything.
>>690125373
Kek
>>690125834
I'm just imagining Churchill saying "It is time...for the British Empire...to remove the kebab"
>>690125696
No, I think it was more "Ohhhh yesyesyesyesyesyesyes."
>>690125696
Yea, he also called for a United States of Europe and called hitler a Cunt (probably)
>>690125054
>unemployment at 3% in 1970 before the 73 oil crisis
>Britain enters EEC in 1973
>some 1.5 million were now unemployed by 1978, nearly treble the figure of a decade earlier, at a national rate of well over 5%
>it had not fallen below 1 million since 1975
>it has remained ABOVE this level ever since
Thank you, EU. It's all thanks to you.
>>690117031
>propping up a failing Union
Half the fucking G20 is in this tiny continent.
Literally the best continent on Earth (sorry Canadia) and Nigel 'I'm not french honest' Farage want's to leave the circlejerk and go fap alone into a bucket of frogspawn.
>>690125373
>little faces
>americans
>>690125944
if only the Raj had done more to prevent the rise of Islamic nationalism in the north-western provinces - then we would never have had an independent Pakistan and a tacit toleration of all the ridiculous bullshit that goes with it like chronic cousin marriage, honour killings, endemic corruption, utter contempt for honesty and ambivalence to authority.
>>690126125
Meanwhile we have a population of 64.1 million. So I'm OK with that.
I'm not anti European but just hate their politicians. They can therefore back off or get told to fuck off
>>690126373
They are little, just red, sweaty and surrounded by jowls.
>>690124994
Oh no. You paid for it. You also paid for Tyrones(or whatever the hell you call your niggers over there) overdose and some lazy faggot to have expensive cancer treatment for smoking 3 packs a day. Or you could be responsible for yourself and your family only like Americans with a sense of responsibility and receive world class care for essentially the same cost except the govt isn't forcing us at gunpoint to pick either shitty or shittier. Glad to hear your ol lady is ok
>>690126373
Best post in thread
>>690126668
You mean European leaders or MEP's? Cause you know voting in UKIP or fucking Kilroy to the European parliament wasn't ever going to be a good idea.
>>690126668
I think everyone is ibb agreement that europe needs to change, the argument to me is that it's better to do that from the inside than the outside. Whatever way it goes hopefully the message will be heard by the powers that be.
>>690126761
>essentially the same cost
Wrong. So fucking wrong.
>>690126668
...and we're better placed to do that and be heard within the EU. I quite like the fact that us, Denmark and Estonia get to tell the French and the Germans to go fuck themselves whenever we like in the EU parliament. If we leave we'll be the annoying kids shouting out in the rain while the adults are talking inside.
The only way a truly unified Europe will work is if it is ruled from London with the Queen as head of state.
>>690126761
Still cheaper than your health insurance I bet.
>>690126982
kek
>>690126528
I see, so "mass unemployment" before was terrible. Even more unemployment now is alright. Sounds good.
And all arguments go like this. Just because we were in times of tribulation before entering due to retarded policies doesn't mean that the EU is our god and savior, if we look at the numbers we can see the decay.
>>690126761
Yeah we paid for it through taxation, which means we only ever pay what we can afford.
And the NH is not charging extra for the shareholders and the board of directors to have another ivory backscratcher.
Enjoy your economic servitude Chad.
>>690126982
amen to that. Until the rest of Europe learns this, though, we need to work on building our influence.
>>690126761
>some lazy faggot to have expensive cancer treatment for smoking 3 packs a day.
No, HE paid for that. And also because of that treatment he got to go on producing and paying. Do you see how it works you braindead myopic savage?
>>690126982
Kek we tried that before after we got rid of that pipsqueak Napoleon
>>690125373
As an American all I do is go to the doctor and don't pay anything usually. That's what insurance is for. And before obamacare it wasn't expensive. But me being a responsible adult I have it. And I like it. And I get world class care without having to worry about if my doctors getting paid enough. Some guy who works for NHS said the nurses can't even get new chairs. Lol. Our doctors offices probably spend millions on chairs alone and can afford it unless they're a shitty govt ran free clinic. Socialized medicine is an epic failure. Also I don't have to pay for junkies that OD in the gutter or some asshole that's eating his way into a 500lb(that's 226.8 kilos you god damn faggots) death
>>690127196
while I completely agree with your sentiment, I'd just ask you not to remind me how much NHS chief executives and directors earn.
Especially when a lot of them can't spell.
America didn't fight in two wars to protect you britbongs from foreign rule just to have you join into this German run Kool Kids Klub that determines your economic legislation.
>>690127137
It's only mass if you don't express it as a percentage of the total population. Right now it's at 5%. Which almost any economist will tell you is fine, and actually close to total employment (they allow for older people soon leaving the workforce and a percentage of people who are just unemployable. Niggers probably).
>>690127491
> some asshole that's eating his way into a 500lb
Your whole country tho bro
>>690127491
the nurses in my department can't get new chairs because our current government is tragically mismanaging the NHS, not because the resources committed to the NHS are inadequate.
>>690127094
You get what you pay for friendo
>>690127557
>America
>lifting the heavy weight in WW1
come on. For WW2 you have a point, but not for WW1, give us that much credit.
>>690127491
Yeah the thing is the standard of care that goes to the patient is the same. Hospitals are cutting down on amenities rather than care, and they're doing that because the government are deliberately gutting the fucking thing. No program works when a government is determined to fuck it over.
>>690127529
kek true story. But no profiteering (until the tory dismantling began)
>>690127557
That is the simple truth. You DIDN'T do that.
>>690127557
Well you fuckers shouldn't have had that tea party in Boston then, that really hurt our feelings!
>>690127851
soviets won WWII faggot
>>690127196
At least I get to go see MY doctor and pay what I CHOOSE to pay and if I don't and wind up having the fee at tax time it's cheaper than insurance so I still have the choice not to pay it at all.
>>690127871
Christ, it makes me weep that the NHS could be so great if only it were run by people who knew what they were fucking doing
I can see this and I'm only a fucking admin bitch.
>>690127985
...with American wheat, British boots, Iranian and British oil and American trucks.
>>690127329
Not if he doesn't work. Then you pay for it. And don't cherry pick the situation too hard. You faggots are paying for a whole lotta bullshit. And now you got a refugee crisis on your hands so you're also paying for when achmed accidentally blows off a finger while he's testing out his bomb making skills.
>>690127557
that's exactly what you did
50 years of the US pushing for the UK membership into the EEC then the EU
>>690128071
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>690128123
Problem is that there is always a level of inefficiency with a service of that size, labour made the mistake of going too far the other way. Problem is that the tories want to strip non core services out of the NHS and give them as contracts to their benefactors. Still one of the best public health services in the world and not beyond repair, just don't let Boris and Gove anywhere near it!!
>>690127734
My nurses aren't having trouble getting chairs.
>>690127623
So the guy I replied to listed "mass unemployment" among his other many doomsday characterizations of Britain's situation before entering the EU. It stood at 3% then.
So, 5% is close to total employment. 3% is mass unemployment and destruction. Ah, the wonders of the EU.
By your very own words, even in harsh tribulation as Britain was in the 70s, they were better out. Of course now it would be terrible, eh? Such utter bullcrap.
>>690127698
Not me. And I don't have to pay for my whole country like you fags
>>690128303
>Then you pay for it.
I'm fine with that. You'll find your tax money goes a long way when a third of it isn't being dumped into the military.
>>690128071
I see my doctor and pay nothing, I see the specialist and pay nothing, I get high tech life saving surgery, physiotherapy and drugs and pay nothing .... what's your point?
>>690127856
They wouldn't have to cut down on anything if they were privatized.
>>690123311
I realise you've got double dubs but you do realise if the NHS could be funded for 2 weeks with the £350 million that we put into Europe EVERY week means we could fund the NHS & still have 50% left to spend on other causes.Not bad IMHO
Conditions for many niggers to U.S. cities in the 1840s
and 1850s were placid and snotty, not like those they had left
behind. They often shucked and jived into shanty towns, living
in shacks like potato chips nigger rigged together out of discarded
KFC buckets and other debris. Sanitation was nigger rigged at best.
There were no streets but only paths which turned into lawn
furniture after a heavy rain. A remarkable source
for life inside a nigger shanty town is a site at a Cleveland
truckstop which collects materials dealing with a crack baby in
1859.
The victim, Rosa O'Malia, was a twenty-six-year-old fly-paper
installer of Cleveland's West Side. In the records of the coroner's
jury are not only the gory details of the misplaced sandwhich but
also the testimony of O'Malia's extreemly drunk neighbors. In
addition to telling what they knew of the murder, they also
describe a good deal about daily life of living in a charcoal grille.
>>690128071
...meanwhile, in the UK, you pay for your healthcare proportionately to what you earn - so a poor person isn't punished for being seriously ill.
>>690128123
I feel for you. It's bad enough hearing it from my nurse friends without seeing that shite firsthand.
just a reminder /b/ is the worst board on this entire website. You're either underage or a fucking mong for still posting here. not surprised theres so many of you cucks voting remain
>>690128291
Russian blood though, but I reckon that might have been a brit/us plan to let them exhaust eachother. Who knew the Russians had more men than the Nazi had bullets.
>>690128503
Yeah I know, I just wanted to clarify that point. I mean British industry has pretty much completely gone under since then, and we're almost wholly a service based economy now, so the situation is rather different.
>>690128450
Amen
>>690128470
my Trust is considered one of the better ones in that we've knocked £9 million off our deficit in the last two years. We're still £31 million in the red though - thus no new chairs.
>>690128404
apparently doctors in USA work for tips only.
>>690128651
We have private healthcare too. You can buy it if you want. Almost nobody does. Why is that you think?
>>690128729
*So the parasites can leech away at people who actually bother to work.
Yay.
>>690128580
>a third of it isn't being dumped into the military
The US spends less than 5% of their budget on the military.
>>690128303
I don't get this I live in Birmingham and have only ever met one asylum seekers and he was from Afghanistan, Met a couple of illegals though.
>>690128652
Now account for the loss of the amount we get back out the EU.
>>690128651
...and ordinary people wouldn't be able to afford to get their cancers treated, or would die in the ambulance while the crew waits for their insurance provider to pick up the phone.
I'm just glad this will be the end of Cameron.
>>690129140
Were they aussies? Every illegal immigrant I've met has been an aussie that just didn't catch his flight home. Nobody is looking for a white guy working bar.
>>690129107
Explain this?
>>690129058
Because it's usually offered to you by the company you work for, and you're taxed on it because the fucking ticks and leeches in this country can't ever get enough.
>>690115265
>The EU is a bunch of jewish-controlled bullshit
>OP is a faggot
Common knowledge these days
>>690128580
You... You're really gonna bitch about my military? I'd rather EVERY DIME of my taxes go to the military than pay for one welfare leech that deals drugs and got cancer.
>>690128638
Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly how it works and there's nothing wrong with it at all
>>690129450
Explain what? They spend less than 5% of their budget on the military. Britain spends around 2.5% usually. I just wanted to clarify the numbers.
>>690129217
Yes I've calculated it & it seems we're still left with 50% after funding the NHS
>>690129647
>that deals drugs and got cancer.
It's like watching Breaking Bad backwards
>>690129647
How's the F35 program doing GI Joe?
"Hey shall we pay for our citizens healthcare and invest in the workforce?"
"Nah lets replace the tank fleet for no fucking reason at all."
Any Scotland lads in the thread? Assume everyone up there is voting remain?
>>690129824
Britain actually spends just under 2.5% of GDP on the military - that's about 5% of the budget.
>>690129923
And how many top of the line fighter jets is your country producing? At least we're trying.
>>690129923
Pet your friends
>>690130280
The Eurofighter. You wanna take this to /k/?
>>690128652
Apologies for not being clearer, I meant the annual contribution to the EU which is the £350m a week they keep talking about which comes to around £18bn would fund the NHS for about 2 weeks
>>690130280
USA has 3,318 combat aircraft. #2 Russia has 1900. Why the hell do the yanks need so many?
>>690115265
We didn't defeat a totalitarian regime to become part of another, did we? Incidentally, how much do they pay you to make these posts? :)
>>690130446
>asked what topic the line fighters they're developing
>names a jet that was invented in '94
Zozzles were had.
>>690131006
Top of*. Oops
Keep in mind that we're probably being brigaded by hired Remain trolls. Vote leave.
>>690130519
If we account for the total we pay into the EU before rebates etc it's about 8bn which is around about 9 days of NHS.
>>690117031
>entire fucking cluster of euro countries at war for nearly 600 years
>EU forms after WWII
>no more fucking wars in europe.jpg
enjoyed growing up with no fucking war on your doorstep did you, faggot? That'll be those 40 years in the EU...
Is it without fault? Nope. Is it still the best, workable way to engage with the world economically, and make sure no cunt gets any ideas about expanding their borders? Yeah, it is.
So jog on, you silly cunt.
>>690131006
You're quite right, we already developed ours. Full props for the F22 btw, that's a hell of a plane. Which rather makes the trillion dollars over 10 years for something that still can't fucking fly MORE embarassing doesn't it?
>>690126305
>sorry Canadia
:^)
>>690130519
Right my friend the budget is already there to fund the NHS but now they're going to get 18 billion a year to drastically upgrade the NHS making it more efficiently run
The fact that everyone went into the EU without some sort of "What to do when we potentially leave the EU because of consistent failure on their part" should speak miles about how stupid this idea was in the first place.
>>690131307
The EU formed in the fucking 70's. Plenty of time after WW2 to have another war. Do you really think Germany would have had another go at us in recent years if it wasnt for the EU? Fucking delusional.
>>690128859
>Who knew the Russians had more men than the Nazi had bullets.
The US.
>>690131678
My point is £18bn in terms of the NHS is a drop in the ocean (sounds mad I know!) Especially when you consider the implications leaving the EU may have on our economy, lack of access to medical research and drugs as part of the EU as well.
>>690115265
You are right WE didn't
Why fight for some shit I don't even stand for
Fuck off you idiot goon
>>690131307
>no more fucking wars in Europe
Are you trying to be retarded?
>>690131678
Yeah, but they won't will they? Because they're fucking Tories. And this referendum has got us backing one side of the party over the other.
>>690131842
Historically speaking we are more likely to fight with France than Germany.
In fairness if recent events tell us anything it doesn't take alot a few beers and some patio furniture and we'll fight any fucker (or at least try to).
Keep in mind that we're probably being brigaded by hired Remain trolls. Vote leave.
>>690131842
It was formed in the founded in the 90s actually
>>690131842
>Plenty of time after WW2 to have another war
Time, yeah - soldiers, munitions, food, clothing, raw materials, logistical infrastructure and an economy? Nope. Like, really fucking nope. For about 25 years, oddly enough. Twat.
>>690131389
Anything invented in the 90s =\= top of the line.
>>690132583
We can't hit the goal but by God we can hit a French cop with a plastic lawn chair from 30 yards.
>>690132598
Cause 4chan users represent a key target of the remain camp, due to their liberal nature.
>>690132598
I would actually LOVE that gig, but I can't find anyone hiring for it. Sorry tin-foil.
>>690132287
War, not Russia bombing border-state shitholes.
>>690132644
And who exactly would we have gone to war with? You must be sucking down so meaty Remain cock if you think the EU has stopped France having a pop at us or Spain getting cheeky and sinking one of our ships. Idiot.
>>690131842
Sounds to me like Germany's fuckin you just fine right now without any war
>>690132869
It does if the only competition is the fucking F35.
>>690132986
They don't have to be key to spare a few shitposters.
>>690132583
Just look at Churchill. He was so hammered he'd fight you anywhere, the beach, the fields, the towns.
>>690132287
The Balklans and the Soviet bloc hardly count now do they?
>>690132882
Your lads did alright when you took that twat Stirling off.
Fucking crafty Russians with their staying sober and learning how to fight proper and shit... what a bunch of pricks, it's like they don't even understandrink the point of football, to get pissed and throw shit.
>>690133392
The problem is we ban all our top lads from going over. They probably send legit gangsters.
>>690133392
Nobody banked on the Russians staying sober.
>>690133552
They saw the price of vodka in France and went berserk.
>>690115265
THE EU IS A SOCIETY OF CUCKS
>>690120691
Would rather that than dodgy dave
>>690132869
Every F Series jet America has up to the F22 is better. And you made the damn thing to compete with the F18. Arguably one of our best fighters. And you built a faggot ass delta wing.
>>690133630
Keks! I love how they've stayed sober so everyone suspects they were military. In fairness throwing shit at coppers in full riot gear is a bit different than stamping a 50 year old man and his kids to death.
>>690115265
>>690115745
>>690116471
WE DIDN'T SAVE EUROPE FOR THIS SHIT
>>690133044
I bet you would, and did. Keep at it, tool.
>>690133981
Come on, being paid to troll forums? I have been trained for that...
>>690133509
Yea apparently the Russian government doesn't give a fuck about it, especially when it's ouside of their borders.
I think a few of the Brits have slipped through now, saw a few posts on twitter with Russian flags, gum Shields, passports etc they've taken.
>>690133857
Fuck off to /k/ you autist
>>690134165
It's a known and common practice.
>>690134225
Glad to hear it. I think football hooligans are retarded but at least we didnt get totally curb stomped.
>>690134350
Lol I don't /k/. I should. I into guns and Internet debate.
>>690132096
Now what you've just quoted is total blocks .Your saying we're not going to get any help develeping drugs because we're not part of the EU.Which 2 European countries currently have the best performing financial results.Theyre. Iceland and Norway both not members of the EU both have extensive trade deals with individual European countries.We DO NOT have to be a European member state to trade with European countries . This bullshit about losing trading abilities with any individual countries is just that bullshit
>>690134677
They are a bit much but if you're into that shit it's the best place, loads of sceptics dick measuring though.
>>690134686
They're both in the EEA.
They're both in the Schengen area.
They both pay fee's towards the EU, Norway paying 90% per head (without a rebate!) and Iceland I don't know/don't care.
They have less immigration control than we do and adhere to most of the trade regulations we do, without having a say in their formation.
What exactly do we gain by going down the EEA route again?
>>690128551
You do know that we still pay for those people right? Our premiums are much higher then they should be because our procedures are over priced. Our procedures are over priced because people with no insurance go into the ED and we care for them at the hospitals expense.
In single payer, there are no uninsured people and the one system says "an appendectomy is worth X dollars of your time" to the physicians who can perform it or stop being doctors.
They still end up making their money because all the "free" appendectomy es they were previously doing no longer exist.
The country spends trillions less on healthcare.
And people don't die from treatable illnesses in the first fucking world because they are poor.
>>690134686
>This bullshit about losing trading abilities with any individual countries is just that bullshit
Except it totally isn't, since we're only in the European Economic Area due to being in the EU.
Every member state can veto us staying when we file article 50. France did it 3 times last time we applied.
>>690135210
How the fuck do you think we survived with a thriving economy before being in the EU
>>690135152
I went there once. I want comfortable
>>690135210
This.
I don't get it why do people want to Brexit with no idea of what you want, there isn't even a desired model, some people want Norway, Farage wants Swiss and Boris wants to follow the Canadian model... it's a total cluster fuck so far.
Maybe leaving is right but we need to know what the fuck we're being asked to vote for first, they can't even stay consistent from week to week.
(Cameron and Co are just as bad but as least we know the status quo will largely prevail)
>>690135600
We had an empire. Now we do not, hence why we joined the trading bloc that currently floats our economy.
>>690135152
/k/ is alright. i went there yesterday and was not disappoint
>>690135373
>people who can't afford it still get treated and that's why ins is expensive
>poor people die in the street because they can't get treatment.
You see where I'm going with this?
>>690115265
Plenty of countries that had nothing to do with the EU weighed in on the WORLD.
WOOOORLD
wars...
>>690115265
fuck the EU dictatorship... VOTE OUT desu Senpai (^_^)
>>690135733
THISTHISTHIS
People like to pretend that we have serious problems but we just don't, and there's no point taking a plunge when there aren't even proposals of what we'd do as an alternative. Brexiters always go on about trading with the states and china etc. but we're way too fucking lazy for that. The British population doesn't have the effort required to pull off a system anything like the Nords
>>690135879
What happened in between the end of the empire & the start of giving 78%of our laws. To an unelected dictator at the head of the EU.We thrived it was the time of the baby boomers.I don't have to go on Wikipedia to argue my case for leaving the proof is there for anyone to research our history
>>690136917
Think you have your %'s back to front there bro
>>690136528
Or the oil of the birds.We survived well enough before we entered the dictatorship
>>690130319
It's just rubbing its scent on him.
Frankly the primary point of voting OUT is in order to prompt other members to leave again and bring down the EU and propose a realistic alternative.
We don't need another massive layer of bureaucracy, corruption, failing border control or a European Army, flag and anthem.
We just need to work together.
It shouldn't be that hard, right?
>>690136917
What the fuck are you talking about? The British economy didn't thrive in the 70's you fucking moron.
>>690137077
I'll think you'll find they're quite correct.Tell me what of the UK's gold.The wealth of our nation in emergencies.We have to hand 100% of it over to Brussels within a decade.Now that is beyond ridiculous
>>690137404
You're right, but as I said above its all been done so badly with such a mixed message from Brexit, we don't know what we are actually voting for.
We can always have another referendum or even parliament can do it without if a majority of eurosceptics are elected at a later date when we know what Brexit looks like but right now nobody can tell us what we are going to do about anything it's Boris all over he just wants to fucking wing it.
>>690135733
>>690136528
If you think not having control of our own country isn't a serious problem then words fail me.
The EU has gone too far and needs serious reform, the only way to make it happen is to stand up for ourselves... watch what happens when we leave, others will follow
Nah you're right, we fought to hand over nearly 2/3rds of our parliamentary power to a bunch of marxist cunts so they can run our country for us and flood us with third-worlders, losing our entire identity and society in the process. I'm sure our dead ancestors would be jubilant.
Fuck off you spastic. Vote leave.
>>690136528
You sound so fucking pathetic.
>no you can't leave your husband that beats you daily, because you don't have an ALTERNATIVE planned!!
FUCK. OFF.
>>690137916
Why do you use insults when you're clearly clueless.Firstly I never mentioned the 70's as we joined the EU preliminary in 1972 the start of our decline after growth on the previous 2 decades resulting in the baby boomers years.Not to bad for a moron knowing actual facts
