gun control yes or no?
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gun control yes or no?
>>690097388
I like not getting shot, so yeah.
Your "rights" make the country about 100x more dangerous. They stop being your right when they infringe on my safety.
Inb4 "coward." Cowardice is being such an insecure little bitch you need to buy a guy to feel like a big, tough, man. Take your proxy penis and go fuck yourself with it.
>>690097854
I am not sure how me owning a firearm for MY safety infringes upon YOUR safety but alright.
>>690098452
Oh, so they only give SAFE people guns. Whew, I was worried there for a minute. I guess all these shootings I hear about in the news are just reporters getting the story wrong....
Moron.
>>690097854
get fucked lol
>>690097854
>>690098810
funny how there is always crime and war in europe when most of their countries banned guns.
enjoy ur communism faggets.
>>690097388
Absolutely not
>>690097388
Yes. I have PTSD over Orlando
>>690099070
>funny how there is always crime and war in europe when most of their countries banned guns.
Your chances of dying as a result of a gunshot wound are about 20 times higher in the US than in the parts of Europe with strict gun control laws, retard.
>Gun control only stops 95% of gun deaths, so it's totally ineffective!
Ammosexual logic, lol.
>>690097854
you're the one who is scared of an object. yet you call other people cowards. I bet you are the one who calls the cowards with guns when you're pussy ass is in trouble.
btw I'd rather get shot than stabbed or bludgeoned.
>>690097854
I hope you get shot
>>690098810
you are just drawing false equivalencies... no not every individual who owns a gun is a "safe" person... whatever the hell that means...
but someone simply owning a gun for their own safety does not inherently put your own life at risk
the government wants to take our guns away..but yet they are inviting Muslims to the US and giving them guns and they say " there is a difference to radical and moderate Muslims " but there isn't
>>690099102
why is his thumb so small???
>>690099896
>My owning a nuke doesn't put your life at risk...
>give EVERYONE NUKES
Ammosexual logic. kek
>>690097854
Just because some guy shoots up a club or some shit doesn't mean guns are dangerous or that they should be controlled more.
I look at kind of like vaccines.
The more people that carry create a better crowd immunity, keeping the people afraid of guns safer.
As a result of this Gay Club Shooting lots of fags are now buying guns too. Creating a overall safer crowd.
>>690100017
His hands are the perfect size. There's no problem there. It's fine.
>>690100222
i think you might be touched in the head. please don't post on this site any longer. also you might be curious to know that tanks and nuclear weapons are not covered by the 2nd amendment and never will be... on account of them not being firearms
>>690099657
All I hear is whining...
>WHHHHAAAAAAAA! They're taking away my security blanket, I mean, my guns! WHHHHAAAAAAA!
>>690100476
can you even read?
>>690097854
>gun control supporter
>thinks about others cocks
Why?
>>690100971
>not knowing bout the trump dick size meme.
dat pic really accuratly depicts you pham
>>690100687
>Muh sekund amindmant!
The founding fathers thought slavery was cool and that women shouldn't vote, too.
Inb4 "they were right." Go ahead, prove that you're a backwards-ass redneck, unfit to voice their views out loud in civilized, modern society.
We all know it's true, might as well own up.
>>690100222
So youre trolling?
>>690101218
So yeah, just trolling right?
>>690101218
kek this seems like a lot of anger.. misdirected from where i can't be sure... it's also a little bit of projection... i can't be sure why
i would expand more on how owning or liking guns has nothing to do with being redneck but that seems a little bit over your head.
>>690097388
Some semblance would be nice. Like trigger discipline.
Those are both good things.
>>690101193
sorry memelord, your response was irrelevant and autistic, that's what I was referring to
Gun control is a generalization of many separate things.
Background checks, waiting periods and improved mental healthcare? Yes
Disarmament?
No
And I think many people think of gun control in a similar way as myself.
I also think that the military shouldn't be subsidizing private arms dealers.
I also think that the whole gun control debate distracts us from the real problems in the world.
>>690100330
No one at the club had a gun.
>guns keep people safe
>every starts carrying guns in public
>misunderstanding happens
>everyone kills everyone
>>690100971
I was referencing a thing from the debates.
>>690100330
Tell me how everyone having guns worked out for the niggers
>>690101700
>presents the absolute worst case scenario
Good to know we arent being hyperbolic
>>690099102
Why in tf is this nigga orange
>>690100017
It's not "small", it's "dick size".
>>690100330
But honestly tho, if you feel sooooo unsafe in public that it would make you feel better carrying a firearm, then you should probably reconsider living in a safer country
These threads are the most cringe worthy shit I have ever seen. Most of the people making them are either red neck fuck tards or eurocucks.
>To the red neck fuck tards
Stop baiting the eurocucks. They will never understand Americas second amendment. Most eurocucks haven't been alive long enough to remember when their government let them have guns.
>to the eurocucks
Stop falling for the bait
In all seriousness though, you can't compare European countries to America with gun crime. Most of the European countries your trying to compare to the US are barely the size of 1 American state and have 100th the population of the country. Not to mention gun crime statistics vary from state to state depending on gun laws. Most of the extreme cases of gun crime occurs in cities that heavily restrict gun rights to citizens. All you eurocucks see on the news are the mass shootings.
In 2015 there were 331 people killed in mass shootings. That's 331 people in a population of over 320,000,000
>>690097388
yes,
Muslim, no guns allowed
everyone else (including niggers), all the guns you want
>>690101848
Would be fine if america didnt incentivise violence and drug crimes. Funny how gang violence spiked after the drug war started.
>>690101979
There is no problem down there. Really isn't
>>690097388
Control control shouldnt even be up for debate.
Stop feeding the trolls.
We as creatures of this planet have the natural right to self protection. The mere fact that you want to come into my home and disarm me will leave you injured or worse dead.
>>690102013
>implying you can regulate safety
>>690102296
Gun control*
>>690100222
this may help you think clearly
Just slightly more gun control, but not enough to ban the current guns people can buy. Just enough to have better background checks and make sure whoever is buying the gun is mentally stable and has no ill-intentions
>>690097854
>you need to buy a guy to feel like a big, tough, man.
That sounds pretty gay.
>>690099178
>temporary PTSD
ftfy
>>690102013
That logic is not constructive in any manner. I live in the US and am financially secure, however, I wouldn't have any clue how to move out of the country, nor do I want to.
Do I feel unsafe at times? Yes. But having a glock on my hip does make me feel safer, knowing that I have the kenetic means to defend myself, my wife, and my children. Utopias don't exist and criminals don't care if a sign says "this is a crime free zone." I have the legal option of having a weapon to defend myself or be nothing more than a victim.
I think that any normal, logical person would rather choose having the means to defend themselves than have the only option of being killed, raped, or assaulted.
>>690101434
>>690101267
>can't respond to argument
>Heh, he's trolling, see? I don't have to think about his argument that's actually starting to make sense, because he's a troll.... Whew, that was close!
There's a reason you fuckwits hate political correctness. You're tired of not being able to openly express your outdated view of the world in public. You desperately cling to your guns because in your delusional mind, they give you power over the blacks, the gays, the immigrants, the women, and all the other groups you secretly fear.
The irony is, you're too cowardly to ever use a gun, regardless. You just need it to assuage your deep-seated insecurity. You've already lost the culture war, dipshits, and there's nothing that a gun can do to change that.
Even if you mustered up the nerve, and pulled an Orlando, (appropriate comparison, because that guy was a closet case too), you'd only reinforce the understanding that your barbaric methods are out of place in a civilized world.
You can't fight with a gun anymore, morons... because you can't shoot ideas. You brought a gun to a brains fight, and you're too stupid to realize you've already lost.
>>690097388
What do you mean by "gun control?" There are already a number f gun control laws on the books, are those what you re talking about? r are you talking about some additional controls? If so, which ones?
>>690102589
>have better background checks and make sure whoever is buying the gun is mentally stable
this would require cooperative third party like doctor or mental health physician
>and has no ill-intentions
people have been known to lie and or hide their true goals
>>690102099
Eurocucks love watching American Westerns, everyone has a gun on their hip, fact is that aspect of American culture never completely left, suck on it Euros
>>690102747
/thread
>>690101848
The Niggers do a good job of population control and natural selection. Since they live in tribes (They all live in the same area for whatever reason) So most of the violence is confined to certain parts of the city.
Should there be stricter background and mental health checks? Like it or not the rate of gun violence among Americans is 5% for every 100 citizens. While in most of Europe it's under 1%. You are actually more likely to get shot by another American than you are to die from a terrorist attack.
I don't think the government should disarm that people, nor do I even see that argument that often. If I do even I think that person is a moron. The process of buying a gun just needs to be made stricter and do more intensive checks on a person.
>>690102296
15 year old midwestern edgelord detected
>>690102589
Yeah but this implies certain people shouldnt have the right to protect themselves
Let me help all you fucking retards out. You want a ln opinion? take this one, you wont stop violence, death, negativity. You can however take the proper precautions by arming yourself. Im not talking with only guns. Im talking learning hand to hand combat, being healthy, being fit, being aware of your surroundings, learning how to use various weapons including the firearm.
When i hear you gun control faggots all i see are lazy fucks that have it in there thick skulls that a couple laws are going to prevent bad thibgs from happening. Its just not true tou fucking faggots.
>>690103244
>actually more likely to get shot by another American than you are to die from a terrorist attack.
the orlando shooting was done by an american terrorist......................
Nope
>>690103244
>You are actually more likely to get shot by another American than you are to die from a terrorist attack.
First off, there is probably some overlap in those categories, right?
Second, you are extremely unlikely to get killed by either. If the goal is to save lives, should we not put the focus on the biggest preventable killers?
>>690103088
How about the people that used guns to protect themselves and are still alive to tell the story?
They could be dead today if it wasnt for the 1 god damn thibg you think we need to remove.
>>690103244
There is no feasible way to make it stricter
ANY purchase of a firearm from a legal dealer already requires a background check, which disqualifies anybody with a criminal record or known mental instability
There isn't any more that you can realistically do
>>690097388
No
We need muslim control laws so we can focus on putting the rest of Obama's sons in prison.
Violent crime is US has been going down for 50 years, and that is with the addition over over 100 million new firearms in the last 20 years. So no.
Bad things will stop happening if guns laws say guns are bad and you cant buy them
Because government control has worked soooooo well for keeping drugs off of the street.
Why not just ban murder?
Liberal bedwetting morons.
>>690097854
A lot of blood got spilled by brave men to earn a document you think isn't worth spilled blood.
>>690102938
actually i called you a troll because you were using plenty of fallacies. And using mocking language, funny how that leads to people no believing you
>>690097854
Man you are about as stupid as they get
>>690103244
>>690102747
>carry a gun based on "logic."
>ignore the fact that every statistic shows you're in far more danger simply by having a gun in your proximity than you would be without one.
>>690102099
Eurofag here.
Your second amendment is beautiful in its simplicity and the way it holds citizens to a higher standard. The notion that I have the right to defend myself is common sense and noble. The notion that I have the *right* to overthrow a government is awe-inspiring.
I really wishnit worked. But humans are pathetic, fickle creatures who can't be trusted to make their own decisions.
>I'll go get my fedora now...
>>690097388
>>690103637
There is one thing -- we could make sure that somebody like the Orlando terrorist, who was known to the FBI, fails a background check.
In fairness, there needs to be a provision in there for due process review of that, so that some future leftist President could not instruct the FBI just to put everybody they don't like on a watch list for no other reason than to deny them their rights, and to protect the rights of those accidentally or erroneously put on the list. For some reason, the Democrats in the Senate refused to allow that amendment to their "watch list" bill...
>>690097388
A kind of control, yes.
A licence should be required to own firearms. A licence where you have to pass a test requiring safety knowledge, stripping and cleaning your chosen type of weapons, a target shooting practical examination.
A retest every 5 years. at owners expense to keep your certification.
>>690103836
I hate the argument that the constitution is just some piece of paper. That the rights on it dont mean much..
The right to bare arms is protecting your right to protecring yourself. Safety and security is a natural human NEED
>>690103692
As with banning guns, though, you will run into Constitutional issues there.
>>690097854
This tbh
>>690102013
Adding to that. Let's do some scenario training.
You can see 4 large male adults approaching you. You change course and they follow your change of course. You know you are being engaged and are about to be assaulted and/or mugged by what is obviously going to be brute force.
Unarmed:
-Run away and they chase you down
-Have a knife and maybe you get a lucky hit and cut one of them, only to be stomped by the other 3
-Scream
-Call 911 and help is 5 minutes away
-Try to fight back with fists in a fight you cant win
Armed:
-Hopefully deter a deadly incident when you brandish a Glock 17 and they runaway, as a fight with bullets vs muscles usually doesn't work.
-Take out several members of the attacking party because you have a glock 17 with 17+1 hydrashoks and the rest run off, leaving you safe and unharmed while the pieces of shit are left bleeding to death.
Yep, being a total liberal cuck and wanting to be a victim sounds way better than self defense.
Faggot.
>>690101218
I don't think our founding fathers knew about cellphones and computers either.
>>690104083
>>690104110
But this implies that taking away arms from some and allowing others to have them will somehow make you safe.
Its just not true.
>>690104228
Not possible
He was never convicted of any crime, nor was he in the system for mental health issues. There would be no way he could be declined.
And there is no way to make a watch list that the government will not abuse, so you can't justify denying rights to people just because the government decided to put them on a list for whatever reason they choose
>>690104275
you understand that firearm licences already exist right? and that you have to pass basic handling and safety tests +background checks in most places to acquire the firearm.
did you think people just walk in from the street and buy guns with no ID or anything? it doesn't work like that
Between 2009 and 2015 the European Union (EU) suffered 303 deaths from mass public shootings, while the US had 199. In terms of injuries from these attacks the gap was even much greater, with EU countries facing 680 versus just 197 for the US. However, given the EU’s larger population, the per million people fatality rate for the US and the EU as a whole are virtually identical (0.62 for the US and 0.60 for the EU). By contrast, the injury rate in the EU is much higher (0.61 for the US and 1.34 for the EU).
>>690100710
You're a fucking sheep. Go watch a nigger fuck your mlp you fat faggot cuck
no. but i wish people didn't have guns. "control" of guns will just make people even more determined to have a gun, whereas if anyone can stroll outta their door at any time and buy 100 of them, people will i believe, stop giving a shit if they have one or not.
>>690104560
the number of firearms per civilian increased but the number of civilians owning firearms decreased
>>690104275
Disagree with the target shooting requirement -- how good a shot you are should not impact your rights.
I mean, I disagree with the idea that the government ought to be able to set up arbitrary criteria to use to decide who gets to exercise their constitutional rights, but in addition to that, I disagree with the "target shooting" part.
>>690104715
>in most places
So not everywhere then.
Fucking moron.
>>690104275
>at owners expense to keep your certification
That's how places like NY keep guns away from people. They want to charge you hundreds of dollars every year to have a gun. It's no different than poll taxes used to stop negros from voting. Another way to deprive constitutional rights by taxing people.
>>690104869
So are you morally opposed to driving tests?
>>690105008
Poor people don't deserve to defend themselves. They should have worked harder.
>>690097388
A licence should be required for all automatic weapons. At the gun owners expense a psyche eval should be done, and done again every 5 years. The owner of said license can not keep the gun where mentally unstable people live. If they do, they should be held liable for their actions as well. All gun transactions should be documented with full background checks. Most guns should remain legal. Additionally the P-90 should be made legal because I like the way it looks and for no other reason.
>>690097388
i am pro gun control. it is much to easy for malicious people to gun ahold of them to do harm. these loose ass gun laws are doing more harm than good and it just isn't worth it. but the fetish-like gun culture of america is so strong, even if you crack down on gun control, it will still be easy to get guns. our country is just fucked.
>>690101218
And the constitution was amended to address changing views on those, and other, issues.
Anti gun folks want to amend it to deal with guns. I have no problem with them making that effort. I'll oppose them, but they have the right to try, and if they can succeed, they have the right to prevail.
But until then, please stop this idea that the way to deal with a constitutional requirement that you do not like is to just ignore it. Bear in mind the OTHER rights that are enumerated in there, and the precedent you are setting.
Guns must be banned in America. And they will be.
Not under Hillary. But within 20 years, the 2nd Amendment will be repealed.
Guns are on their way out in America. You gun nuts weren't responsible with the rights afforded you. Over 70% of Americans want "massive gun control laws".
picture very related
>>690097854
pussy
Good thing they outlawed murder, so nobody will do it!!
>>690104275
How about no
I'm Canadian, and our licensing system is retarded
>You have to take a course to get it that is at least a full day, usually two. The course is not offered in many rural communities where firearms are actually needed
>The shit is expensive, and many people cannot afford it
>The RCMP abuses it's authority over the system to fuck us over at every turn, as well as being generally inept. For instance, you can send in for renewal of your license 6 MONTHS in advance, and there's still no guarantee the lazy shits will get around to it in time. They make YOU a criminal because they can't be fucked to do their job in time
>Everything you do is mired in pointless bureaucracy and red tape. I have to phone them all the fucking time for something or other, to be put on hold for 20 minutes and treated like shit by assholes, and none of it makes anybody safer
>>690097854
Gun ownership has a negative correlation with crime.
>>690101974
Yuge can of spray-tan.
more guns, less muslims. can it be any more simple.
>>690105407
Lol
Not at all
>>690104945
>So not everywhere then.
do you think you can rule everywhere? you understand that laws have rights too and can make legislate how they want to legislate?
what works best for someone in San Antonio doesn't always work best for someone in Seattle you fucking moron
one of the most powerful leaders of all time, who had a dynasty which lasted thousands of years, ditched almost all laws. don't physically hurt anyone and don't rob anyone. - that's about all the laws covered. it allowed for massive amounts of freedom and creativity, the society policed itself.
No. Shall not be infringed. /thread
>>690105443
Lies
But please, go ahead and post some statistics from a biased source to prove your case.
>>690105552
**woah that sure is a clusterfuck of sentences there. i meant to say that the laws say that states have their own rights and can legislate how they want to legislate
>>690103582
>>690099178
Puss over Orlando ?? It should be paid over Muslim faggots
>>690105598
Well if you won't trust anything I post, preventing me from having the burden of proof, then I invite you to prove your point instead.
>>690105231
Automatic weapons are not considerably more dangerous than semi-automatics, in spite of what liberals may believe from watching action movies.
Moreover, all gun transactions at a dealer require background checks. The only transactions that don't are private sales, person to person. That is because there is NO feasible way to regulate them, other than prosecuting people who knowingly give guns to people who cannot legally have them (which the government already does)
>>690105552
It's the same country. If they can't all live under the same rules, Texas can fuck off back to Mexico.
>>690104681
>there would be no way he could be declined
Not under current law, no. Under a new law that says decline him for being a known radicalized Islamist, there would have been a way.
>And there is no way to make a watch list that the government will not abuse, so you can't justify denying rights to people just because the government decided to put them on a list for whatever reason they choose
Which s why I wrote the part about due process and review. Did you stop reading before you got that far?
>>690105545
yes
Just look at how murderous America is, regarding gun violence.
30,000 people die each year from guns in the US. Hundreds of them are under the age of 10.
Preschools are the targets of psychopaths. Preschools.
There was an armed guard in Orlando - didn't stop the shooter.
BAN GUNS NOW
>>690105407
>>690104174
please leave and never return to 4chan.
>>690097388
The logic is:
If you carry a gun you are able to shoot someone.
If you don't carry are gun, you are less likely to shoot someone or harm with gunfire.
You can use other things but everything is better than a gun.
Sorry, but a killing spree with a hammer or knife or whatever never reaches the bodycount from a mass shooting.
Call me euro fag while I enjoy my safety from gunfire and save my life with manpower when needed.
Fistfighters masterrace talking.
>>690104720
That is an amazing set of statistics -- can you provide source so I can blow some people the fuck out?
>>690105947
No
Are you american? Because it isnt like this
Not on way out. Most polling is biased to under reporting and we still get about 42% of the public own a firearm so the true number should be several points higher.
>>690097388
NICE AIRSOFT GUN FAG
>>690105944
that's not how that works pal
i live in california but that doesn't mean that recreational colorado cannabis is recreational for me
learn the laws you fucking infant
of fuck off to mexico
So you want to take away the right to have guns? Just move to Europe. We really don't need anymore fags here anyway.
>>690105999
>>690105298
lol, okay fag, lets get something straight here. The United States is #1 in gun ownership, with 93 firearms to ever 100 citizens(we are 37 in gun violence, BTW).
That is 300,000,000 privately owned firearms for the 325,000,000 citizens, across an estimated 90,000,000 to 110,000,000 gun owners. Even if you combined then entire military and law enforcement force, aside from the fact that many of them are gun owners and hate the government themselves, you would not be able to remove all the firearms without creating the largest civil war in the history of the world.
And while were at it, liberal faggot, if Donal Trump is about to be president how do you think politcal change is to come about if you don't own an assault rifle? Liberal logic always states "no one needs an assault rifle" and the idea of tyranny is absurd. Well, libfags are shouting [what they perceive to be tyranny] with trump but are still calling for the ban of the one thing that would lead to liberation.
Revolutions are fought with bullets and weapons, not pitchforks and twitter posts, you stupid fucking faggot dip-shit.
>>690099925
Just be happy with cheap beer, dip, and diesel trucks. Smh at y'all ignorant yeeyee asses.
>>690105999
why ban them for some and not others?
i bet every time there's talk of guns being banned, people buy shitloads of guns.
they're a poisonous plague on america, but they're there now. ban them and impose the death penalty for possession... there will still be millions of guns in america. people have to WANT to get rid of their guns.
>>690106137
>enjoy my safety from gunfire
So does the vast majority of Americans
>>690105946
You're talking about giving the government massive potential to abuse power and deny people rights, checked only by the government policing itself.
Sure, in a perfect world it could work, but there is no practical way to make it happen in real life.
And how do they decide that he's a "known radicalized Islamist"? It's not a crime to believe in Islam, or to be inflammatory. It would get promptly struck down as soon as it went to court
In America. Let's ban guns and legalize drugs! Fucking idiots. You deserve a gun ban and then the rest of your little freedoms gone. You don't deserve liberty.
so progressive
>>690105069
No, but if you can show me where there is a constitutional right to drive a car, I'll rethink.
I'd also note that, even without a driving license and having been tested and approved by the government to drive on public streets, you can buy all the cars you want and even drive them on privately owned land.
>>690097388
Fuck that. Just minimum federal sentencing for gun related crimes. Criminal kill more people than terrorist.
>>690099925
There is, read a book, talk to people, travel around, don't listen to the news, don't trust the media, make a picture by yourself.
Unless you want to stay a faggot.
Then just carry on with posting on /b/.
>>690106507
Hey ahmed
>>690101700
>>guns keep people safe
>>every starts carrying guns in public
>>misunderstanding happens
>>everyone kills everyone
That has literally never happened. Go home libfag you've already proven to us youre an idiot.
>>690106465
lmao my sides
>>690099070
Oh, right, like that recent mass shooting in Australia?
Oh wait...
>>690105904
When I said automatic I meant all guns that allowed ease of shots. As in you could get out 40+ bullets with reasonable continued accuracy even without training. Things like good grips, stocks, removable mags, etc. As far as private gun transactions go just because it is difficult to regulate doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Something a simple as a nexus of sorts run by the government, such as a website. All firearm transactions must to through it and a 15-20% tax will be collected to maintain the costs. But that is just one of many possible solutions.
I would much rather die by getting shot than being stabbed repeatedly or have my skull bashed in with a blunt object.
>>690105298
>the 2nd Amendment will be repealed
Good luck with that.
But until then, can you guys stop trying to violate it? In return, I will not try and restrict your freedom f, say, speech unconstitutionally
Deal?
>>690105999
66% may seem like a lot, 'till you realize that the death from mass shooting numerically don't add up to shit each year.
>>690105999
Lets break it down:
Of the 30,000, roughly 2/3 are suicides, which don't count for shit since people kill themselves whether they have a gun or not
Already that's down to ~10,000 now.
Of that 10,000, in a given year about 1-2,000 of those are justifiable homicides.
Now ~8,000.
Of the remaining ~8,000 that are actual murders. About 70-80% of those are criminals being killed by other criminals. Whoop-dee fucking doo, who cares about Jamal shooting Tyrone in an alley over a $20 drug debt
Let's temporarily deactivate guns and see what happens. If the government becomes tyrannical we'll get back in business and shoot them all.
>>690105443
Far as I can tell, if one avoids cherry-picking, gun ownership does not correlate with homicide at all.
Whether it correlates with "crime," such as public indecency or tax evasion, I have not looked into that.
>>690106664
Fun fact: you are hilarious.
There is already a registry like you purpose, taxing people for just selling property to each other is asinine unless it is over the 7000 mark like it already is, and your defenition of automatic is silly and will confuse anti gun people; please dont do that, there is enough confusion.
So short hand, your proposal is already in place minus the tax. It is just too ridiculous to enforce
>>690105565
And that leader was? I can't guess, I admit...
>>690106847
This
Mass shootings account for less than half of 1% of murders in the US. It's fucking nothing
how do americucks now justify the 2nd amendment? i mean you've got no hope against drones and apaches, why do you insist on holding onto your faggy little revolver? it can't fuck with the government, only the public, especially in an age where this trump lunatic intends to torture and deport people he doesn't like
>>690105777
In before trigger discipline
Debunking the liberal autists obsession with salt rifles.
>>690107056
>Whether it correlates with "crime," such as public indecency or tax evasion, I have not looked into that.
Yeah I relied on implications. When I said crime I was referring to things like home invasions.
>>690107005
>dont take the guns in case the corrupt government turns on us
>dont fix the government so it wont turn on us
>make america great again by keeping the status quo
>thatll eventually turn on us
>>690107154
can't remember, sorry pham. heard about it in an alan watts lecture
>>690105999
I wonder how a graph of the populations of those countries would look?
>>690097388
Repeal 2nd Amendment plz k thx.
>>690097388
Any retard who is for gun control must perforce believe that making drugs illegal has made drug use a thing of the past.
>>690107271
wow, directly from the federally funded FBI website and everything. it's almost like they would WANT you to keep your guns or something.
>what a crazy concept
>>690107152
It wasn't my definition of automatic, I just couldn't think of a better word at the time and assumed most people would get what I was talking about, since they usually do. So it is illegal to sell guns without a background check/waiting period?
>>690105298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4
The more you know!
i don't think gun control works. there is a way for a person to get a gun illegally.
>>690107475
sincerely, every american citizen who thinks they're rambo singlehandedly winning the war against terrorism
>>690106803
Florida's blue now. Texas and Utah are swing states.
America's taking a turn to the left, politically.
To deny that is symptomatic of denial, ignorance/stupidity, or blatant mental illness.
Within 20 years, guns will be banned. How removed from reality do you have to be, to not agree with that statement (even if you disagree with the principle of a gun ban)?
>>690107541
Waiting periods are mandated only in some specific places. Which, good, because they do fucking nothing but inconvenience people.
It is illegal for a licensed gun seller (FFL) to sell a gun without performing a background check on the buyer
>>690105999
>30,000 people die each year from guns in the US. Hundreds of them are under the age of 10.
That includes accidents and suicides, not just murder.
10x that number die every year from tobacco use. You would think something like that would be outright banned. But no. Liberals whine abut guns.
>>690107232
>especially in an age where this trump lunatic intends to torture and deport people he doesn't like
that's funny because i see to think that Trump is the best opportunity to make america great again....but since you are so scared of the future that seems like a pretty fair argument for owning a firearm for personal defense. i do hope nobody tries to take that right away from you
>>690107722
yeah hollywood really did do a good job of hypnotizing americucks into being happy as long as they have cheese and beer
>>690107427
>>690107541
Not person to person no, you can do that. But all gun stores have to. And before you whip out your golden gun, the gun show loophole is a myth. But yes you are correct that not all sales do require it, they encourage it and have apps that allow you to do a background check for a p2p sale, but it isnt enforced. Also modern sporting rifle is a good term to use, please dont use automatic that doesnt apply.
>>690106137
>killing spree with a hammer or a knife never reaches the bodycount from a mass shooting
First, nice straw man -- of course not, which is why nobody would use either of those weapons in a mass killing attack. But the worst attack on a school in US history involved no guns, and I would invite you to Google "Oklahoma City Attack," look at the bodycount there, and compare it to the mass shooting of your choice.
Second, I typoed "bodycount" as "boycunt" at first, which would have amused you fags to no end if I had not caught it.
>>690107855
he's trying to sell the country to the brat kids of billionaires. they aren't like you, certainly not in their eyes.
>>690097388
No. More guns = more dead americans
>>690107511
Yeah, it didn't dramatically reduce the statistics or ANYTHING. They stayed exactly the same the entire time.
>curbing gun access wont save ANY lives whatsoever
>so why bother
this is the logic of America.
>>690107887
>coming from the euro who hides behind the internet and isnt happy
We all know euros are horribly depressed m8, dont try to fight it.
>>690108072
at least we're not deluded
>>690107920
A meme.
What a reliable source.
Meanwhile, I'm just chilling in a gun-free Europe with literally no fear of getting shot. Yes there are guns, but the mafia is smart enough to only gun each other down (the liquidations in Amsterdam have become quite a frequent occurance as of a few years ago), and the rest of us can't get one and that's literally great.
I'll just be rooting for a new record.
>>690107760
So like drugs they'll go away. Cool.
>>690108119
Yeah but dont try to feign happiness, we all know you guys are fucking miserable
>>690106353
FUKKIN SAVED
>>690107974
i am pretty sure he is trying to take the country BACK from the brat kids of billionaires who already sold the country out to foreign interests
nice try, though
>>690108231
honestly, i'd rather live in depressing reality than some disney fairytale
>>690108007
How many legal guns do you think murderers use... ones where the nigger bought the gun legally and has a permit?
>>690108180
So your stance is, curb knife ownership instead of guns?
>you'd rather be able to shoot each other
>than cook a decent meal in your kitchen
>>690108318
wut
he's very clear about the fact that he wants to privatize everything. that means everything from the police to your house are for sale. who's gonna buy them, you?
>>690106424
This is the same government that is NT using the "he's psycho" disqualification to go after anybody. With public due process, I am less concerned about it, and feel you are at that point getting a little paranoid.
>>690108338
>he thinks all american happiness is deluded
What ever gives you a spark of warmness in your miserable life man, come on over to america. It is fucking fantastic man
>>690108193
here i am in america... with no fear of getting shot. why you may ask? because i don't make tons of enemies and the chance of being caught in a "mass shooting" is so low that i never ever think about it.
nice to still own guns and not rely on the government for everything. the same government you protest when refugees are swarming your neighborhood
>>690108552
wat
>>690106655
>conveniently forgets Paris and Brussels
>>690106465
In 2016 nobody needs to own an orange plastic quantum fazer..
>>690108471
When has he said that.
>uh...he implies it you fascist
Thats what i thought
>>690108471
he hasn't said he was going to privatize everything lol you are just reaching. also the police work for the state not the federal government you dumb child
>>690108652
Is that thing fully automatic? Looks scary dangerous!
>>690108339
How many murderers do you think are out there, saving up money and submitting paperwork just to come to YOUR house and shoot you? You aren't that special, kiddo. You're not worth the paperwork and money it'd take to get a properly licensed firearm.
If guns are illegal across the board, anyone found with a gun could be prosecuted or detained before they get a chance to use it (illegally obtained or not). But theres no point to that right? Because you're such a special unique snowflake that they're going to go through mountains of effort to get a gun JUST to shoot you.
>that american ego
>>690108604
Not all americans are deluded man, we are genuinely happy. I know it is hard for you to believe because your life in eurostan is miserable
>>690108697
>>690108713
he's turning america into a business. that means that profit is put before people. if you're not profitable, 'get behind the wall'. you're giving the country to hidden, hyper-rich brats
>>690106664
>When I said automatic I did not mean automatic
Maybe say what you mean, in the future, it makes a discussion more worthwhile and makes you seem less of an idiot.
>>690108887
Ok. How did you get that conclusion?
>>690108552
This guy didn't even bring up happiness or depression. You don't even have a decent rebuttal so you're attacking his character. They're depressed because of a lack of vitamin D, faggot. It's overcast 100% of the time there. Its chemical, it has nothing to do with access to guns.
>because guns make us all happy as soon as we obtain one
>your logic right now
>>690108481
We're talking about the government that stops you from being able to fly because you have a similar name to a criminal, doesn't tell you, and doesn't give a clear process to appeal the decision.
Why the fuck would I ever trust them to have them same power over constitutional rights?
>>690107005
OK, I'm in for that, please explain how you temporarily deactivate all these guns?
interesting that this made the news globally, but wasn't reported in america
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/history/qing.htm
>>690108228
Son, like Australia, guns will be confiscated. Men like me will come to your homes and take them.
There will be hundreds of millions of guns, confiscated and destroyed.
You're too young to know how this works.
>>690108887
the country already is in the possession of hyper rich brats. trump threatens their stranglehold on this country and that scares the shit out of them.
but of course I bet you think that "faux news" supports him right because muh gop? nobody is on Trump's side other than Trump... and the people who genuinely support him
>>690107409
You unutterable disappointment...
>>690108576
There are a few hundred refugees literally 1 km from my house. Never seen one of them, never heard anyone in the neighborhood say anything about them. I thus gotta say I don't mind them at all.
But of course you can keep believing what you want, even though you don't live in Europe.
>>690109067
Probably from the fact that Trump is a business man buying his way into politics, with ZERO experience in said politics whatsoever. He knows how to run businesses, that's what he does. Badly.
>>690109067
he's clear about the fact that he's no a politician. he's a businessman. all politicians suck the dick of the hyper rich lobbyists, he's just massively more open and enthusiastic about it. you're giving everything from your property to democracy itself, to private police and law courts. america has always been destined to become a corporatocracy, and it seems like that particular shitstorm is about to hit the fan right now.
>>690109191
>Like Australia
When the Aussie libshit government decided that semi-autos and other firearms were illegal, and demanded that they be turned in, less than a quarter of them showed up by their own estimates. The majority of the people rightfully told them to go fuck themselves and kept their property
Gun Control No, because President Trump needs evidence for terrorism in your house, should you think about resisting and a predator strike be necessary.
>>690107760
I think you are falling for the fallacy that because there is a trend in public opinion now it will of necessity continue forever. Politics ain't like that, though.
>>690109255
>trump threatens their stranglehold on this country and that scares the shit out of them.
wat
why do you think this? why would he not sell something if he believed it'd be profitable? he'd be a terrible businessman if he did that. profit or die, that's how business works
>>690101663
Hey look, everyone ignores the one rational post
>>690108613
Well, imagine all those ISIS members being able to buy guns. Would be a bloodbath, wouldn't it? Now look at how many of them actually did have them. Not many, right?
bombs =/= guns you retard
>>690108839
What is the point here? The majority of murderers are already known criminals who cannot legally own firearms anyways, and would be arrested if found in possession of one
>>690108839
So you are saying that making the guns illegal will stop the criminals from doing illegal activities, that is brilliant. You know what they should do, they should make murder illegal and that would solve EVERYTHING.
>>690109681
>Waiting periods
>Rational
And background checks are already expanded as far as they can possibly be feasibly enforced
>>690109172
wait that was the wrong link
this is worth a read america. it's scary that this wasn't reported on your soil
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35828747
>>690109748
>murder
What a strawman you've built. It's impressive.
At least when you murder someone, you're arrested automatically. No one comes to your court hearings, trying to bring up the murders "constitutional rights to murder someone". It's just flat out illegal. Not up for debate.
>it wont stop the criminals or save any lives whatsoever
>so why bother
again, this is your fucking logic and its retarded. your children are dying in their schools, and you sit there whining about "m-muh self defense" instead of trying to STOP that from happening.
>>690109665
>why do you think this? why would he not sell something if he believed it'd be profitable?
it's called being a patriot and caring for your own country instead of profit
something i don't believe you could ever wrap that little head around. whether or not you believe Trump is the man to do it is an entirely different discussion.
I do.
>>690109414
no thankfully I don't live in europe where we house the refugees after we displace them. I would rather stop the problems at the source i.e. jews
>>690108455
I think his stance was, the level of rifle homicide is so fucking low,why are we wasting tons of time and energy freaking out about it when almost literally anything else is more likely to kill people.
>>690108228
kek
>>690097388
>Carrying a handgun
yeah, go right ahead. guy tries harming you or otherwise I won't hesitate to pull the trigger
>Carrying a civilian semi auto AR.
for house hold defense? yeah I'm down for that, I live in Texas so Castle Law permits you can shoot someone on your property that's intending to do harm.
>Shotgun
See Greentext above this.
>Military issued fully automatic MGs and the rest.
That's where i feel like that's pushing it. the fact that you can get your hands on one of these weapons is crazy. don't get me wrong I'd love to shoot one, but when are you going to need that much fire power
>>690110126
>it's called being a patriot and caring for your own country instead of profit
you can either be a patriot or a successful businessman. you can't do both. the second you say no to profit, you're at a disadvantage to competitors. america is about to become the most savage, heartless country on earth.
>>690107764
Can a non-licenced gun seller sell a gun legally?
>>690110126
Oh, blaming the jews. Well, here goes the semblance of having anything more than a regular /b/-grade conversation.
>>690109735
>the majority of murderers
>tfw mateen didn't have a criminal record whatsoever
>he was even on FBI watch lists for suspected terrorist activity
nice try anon. he wasn't part of the majority, he was the minority. that just pulled off the worst mass shooting in american history.
>fuck your wounded knee argument
>no one gives a fuck and its insulting to the families of the victims youre telling to 'get over it wounded knee was worse'
Why the fuck would I give up the right to defend myself? To defend my family? In the U.S, a man comes into my home with intent to cause harm. All bets are off that man is a dead man. A man breaks into my home in Germany and I can't even use a knife to defend myself as it can be excessive force. You people are pathetic.
>>690097388
Your gun is fake as shit
>>690109102
While I in many ways agree with you, I do note that they ALREADY can put you on a list(the mental health list) and prevent you from buying a gun.
Out of curiosity, do you see signs that they are abusing that? I don't, but maybe you see something I do not.
In the meantime, with due process, I am not concerned about it -- the same due process that prevents them from tossing you in jail for saying Obama is bad seems to be working...
>>690110126
>where we house the refugees after we displace them
>America is literally build on imigrants
>>690110342
Most of the founding fathers were successful businessmen. Were you too busy choking on penis to pay attention in school?
>>690097854
guns are a national constitutionally protected right, for a reason. guns are not the cause of crime, and do not lead to higher rates of "getting shot". problems with the integration of minority groups in society are the cause of crime. denying this problem out of ignorance or pursposeful racism is not going to make it go away, when 'guns are banned'.
>>690110331
>"the fact that you can get your hands on one of these weapons is crazy"
Sure you can... By having an extensive background check done by the ATF and paying a tax stamp, and that's on top of the fucking $25,000 that you'd be paying for the gun itself.
Since full-autos had to be registered and usch in the 30's, there have been a whopping TWO homicides with legal automatics. In 80 years
>>690110184
Because Mateen wasn't using a fucking knife, faggot. He was using a gun.
If someone manages to stab over 100 people and hold them hostage with a knife, then maybe that statistic will be relevant. But he didn't do that. He shot them. So that knife statistic is useless.
>>690110462
oh just let them do it to themselves. i mean, the dude has clearly offered such detailed and descriptive policy promises as "make america great again! woo! woo!" so they can't go wrong.
once the dust has settled, something new and less retarded should presumably emerge. america was never gonna last forever.
>>690110546
YFW that flag is already bleached by cosmic rays and has pretty much turned to dust.
>>690110803
But goddamn we put it there didn't we?
gun control? no way! i wanna see those amerifats running for once!
>>690110687
they were politicians, angry anon.
trump not being a politician is not conducive to him being a politician. americans are fucking weird. say "WOO!" and wear a hat? you've got the job.
>>690107931
>Also modern sporting rifle is a good term to use
Fair enough.
Anyway one issue I have is the p2p sales. I'm against restricting gun ownership in most cases, but I do think all gun sales should be tracked with mandatory background checks. The selling/owning of such firearms should come with harsh penalties, since it is so hard to prove/find out about.
>>690110461
Only if firearm sales are incidental and not a regular source of income. If someone decides they don't want a shotgun anymore and gets rid of one they have, that's fine. If someone buys 10 shotguns to resale at a profit, they need an FFL.
>>690110719
Jew propaganda
>>690110719
>tfw civilians in the EU still have access to guns
>its just a lot harder to get one and you have to prove you arent doing it just for shits and giggles
>even with access to guns, they still dont have 10K+ gun related deaths a year
>>690110681
well a refugee isn't the same as an immigrant really... but also the country wasn't "founded on immigration" it was founded BY immigrants who conquered the land and then established their own republic.
learn history you little memeing twat
>>690110461
Yes.
Essentially, anybody who deals in guns as a business must get an FFL. But I, average Joe, can sell my gun privately without a background check.
Here's the thing: there is literally no possible way for the government to legislate those transactions or demand background checks on them. A law demanding as such is 100% unenforceable.
It's illegal to knowingly give a gun to somebody who cannot legally own it, and that is really all you can do
>>690103336
Okay, good point but you have to admit when it's easier in America to get a real gun than it is over here in the UK to get a real looking prop gun, there's a problem
>>690099896 He's talking about the safety of the person that owns the gun.
>>690104515
The armed ladder is illegal as you have no proof that they were going to mug you
>>690097388
If I cant buy a gun, how will i get around to shooting myself eventually?
it's like no faggots in this thread saw the movie braveheart. yeah, the scots really loved the english sword control laws while the english noblemen got first fuck on their wives
>>690108973
I rarely have a need to be overly specific. The word has a strong connotation and most people know it/can infer.
>>690110803
because it happened so long ago, when you faggots were using rocks and pointed sticks
>>690111152
as soon as trump is in, just walk past the police without paying a toll.
>pick up that can
>>690110676
People can get denied a background check for mental health reasons that make no sense, such as having seen a therapist once 5 years ago, or being diagnosed with a minor condition as a child that one no longer has, and there is no clear process to appeal the decision.
I know that many people actually refrain from seeking help for feelings of depression or the like, because they know that the government can use it to take away their rights
>>690111006
>tfw eurotard compares america with a population 10 times the size of europe
>tfw these were reasonable gun laws in germany
whats hilarious is this "founded by immigrants" logic. the world used the US as a dumping ground for its CRIMINALS.
>the Mayflower contained criminals too
>>690097854
Murder is illegal.
Drugs are illegal.
Driving while intoxicated is illegal.
Downloading DC from the Internet is illegal.
Ect ect ect.
Has any of this stopped the people that really want to do what it is they want to do?
>>690111091
But why not just make that illegal with harsh punishments (mandatory jail time + insane fees)? People sell guns online and in papers all the time. It wouldn't be hard to find a few.
Gun control.....
>>690111006
*ahem*
>>690104076
>>690099576
Your chances of getting killed by a drunk driver are higher than your chances of getting killed by a random shooting.
Yet I'm sure you go and party every weekend, and drive home.
Liberal hypocrite.
>>690111238
Automatic is a specific term regularly used to denote a specific category of firearms. Calling a semi-auto an automatic is like calling a pogo stick a inkpen. Consider learning about a topic before arguing about it.
Every once in awhile this thread comes up and it always goes the same.
Eurofags
>Pathetic Americans need a gun to feel manly enough and fend the niggers out of their yard
>"Get with the times barbarians"
>Can't you brainwashed, patriotic weeaboos see that guns kill people?
Ameritards
>Muh Freedom
>"When a rapist/murderer/gangbanging nigger comes through my door, I have the right to defend myself
At this point, you're both right from your own perspective. Euros shall never grasp why Americans cum over their guns, just as Americans shall never understand why Europeans are pussies.
>>690111559
Because the government has no right to do so.
Moreover, it still is not enforceable.
Gun control advocates pushed through a law in Washington that demanded a background check for all firearms transfers. For one thing, it is totally unclear when it is needed (If I am shooting with my friend, and pass him my .357 to shoot, I could be considered to be breaking this retarded law based on individual interpretation).
In protest, most sheriffs declared that they would not enforce it, and pretty much all gun owners gave the government the finger and openly ignored it
>>690111440
>nazis
>>690100710
>Whines about literally everything wrong with this country and why things are the way they are.
>Whines when people disagree with his brainwashed viewpoint.
>accuses people trying to preserve their rights of whining.
I really would curb stomp you and sell your bones to the black market so I could buy an unregistered gun to kill your entire family with just so they can't produce another dipshit like you.
>>690111950
>not having a gun makes you a pussy
It just means that you have the common sense to regulate gun laws when people keep shooting each other.
>its not the gun
>its the person
Yeah. The person WITH A GUN.
