Whenever a mass shooting happens outside the US, all the amerifags jump into their battle stations and spam this place with posts similar to;
"HURR DURR IF ONLY YOU WERE ABLE TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON HURR DURR HOW DO YOU ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM, YOU CANT EVEN DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST THE ENEMY IN YOUR OWN LAND HURRR HURRRRHSHRHH DURRRR"
So faggots. Whats your explanation for shootings such as
sandy hook?
Virginia tech?
Columbine?
Pulse, Orlando?
And all the other mass shootings on american soil?
I literally have never in my life heard on the news
"Mass shooter shot dead by brave civilian weilding concealed weapon"
>this seems like a bait thread but im genuinely wondering...
Weapons aren't allowed at schools or in most businesses. Shooters like to target places where there's no resistance. Additionally, very few Americans carry weapons even if it is legal.
>>690048453
Fuuuuuuuuuuckkkkk you, no one cares
>>690048667
Pretty piss poor excuse.
>>690048667
I thought your whole country was built on the fact that you are allowed to carry a weapon anywhere as long as you habe a permit and its concealed?
>>690048822
Nope, there are a lot of places you can't take them
>>690048822
The second amendment is one of ten amendments to the constitution, which is much longer than the bill of rights. Local and state gun control laws exist and are pretty confusing. Private businesses (and public schools) can allow what they want to allow and most don't want people bringing in guns. You don't know what America is actually like because you don't live here.
>>690048890
Such a good idea! It stopped SO many mass shootings.
>>690048453
All of those are advertised as gun free zones. There are no mass shootings in areas where guns are allowed, because they are stopped before it becomes a mass shooting.
>>690048822
I dont know what they tell you but we dont all have guns. Every single shooting listed was in a place where guns are prohibited to be carried by anyone. Its like leading cows to slaughter by making "gun free areas".
>>690048890
So your "right to bear arms" isnt actually even a right?
Its more like "right to bear arms where and when we say its okay"
>>690048453
>thinks conservative americans care about the happenings in other countries
No they don't. That's liberals, you're thinking of. They always have to talk about how guns need to be banned. Conservatives really don't care if some other country destroys themselves. Fuck you. We know you don't like us and we don't give a shit. At least figure out who to hate before posting, dumb cunt.
>>690048822
nope, schools, bars/clubs, schools, hospitals, courts, colleges and most businesses are all typically gun-free zones.
>>690049090
private property is private property
>>690048453
Canada > America
>>690049090
This is why people are mad.
>>690048453
Looking for a single explanation instead of treating them on a case by case basis causes more problems than it solves.
>>690048453
All of these are staged events that are being used to enact gun control. WW 3 is coming.
>>690049277
Get out, Alex.
>>690049092
I dont hate americans, just the vast majority of them.
But dont take it personally, i hate lots of people from lots of countries.
Plus why are you getting butthurt m80?
I was asking a legitimate question.
Seems like talking to an american about his shitty laws really is a sore spot?
>>690048453
>>690048807
>>690048822
>>690049079
>pic related
almost every shooting, I think there was like one mall shooting a few years back where it wasn't a gun free zone
>>690049379
Not upset at all. Just think generalizing is stupid. Especially when you're mad at the wrong group.
Nah. Just think your type is annoying. I don't do "passive-aggressive witticisms". I don't take the piss with people I don't fucking know. If you wanna give me a handy, have at me, but if you're just going to wag your gabber, get bent chap.
>replying
U salty m8? :^)
are people actually suggesting that anyone should be allowed to bring a concealed handgun into a bar?
the same place where people drink, get into brawls, and walk out so fucking drunk that they t-bone a car and kill three people?
what the actual fuck?
>>690049373
Name is Josh, but this alex you speak of sounds like a smart guy.
>>690048453
There were armed security guards at both pulse and columbine. And undercover police officers at pulse.
>>690049080
Like that time it happened on a military base.
I see what you're saying.
>>690049591
Im not the slightest bit salty. Because i dont fear for mylofe everytime i go outside.
It seems to me that you have your right to bear arms, but you also have gun free zones.
Which other anons stated are always the target for mass shootings becausr they are gun free?
So that means the only thing that your gun laws are doing is making it easier for bad people to buy weapons and kill people.
Im not wrong?
>>690049090
Prior to district of columbia vs heller, the 2nd amendment to the constitution had never been interpreted to mean an individual right to own and or carry a weapon. It had been interpreted as a collective right.
>>690049928
It doesn't make sense to allow people in bars to have weapons (unless they're actual police/security).
The reasons for this should be pretty self-evident.
If that made Pulse a prime target, well, then that's unavoidable.
>>690049092
>being this mad that other countries exist
>>690050060
If that sand nigger didnt have access to weapons then it wild have been avoided?
>>690048822
Cop here. I can carry many more places that a civilian with a concealed carry permit couldn't and there's still lots of places I can't carry.
>>690049636
Even the among the saxons, where no man of means went anywhere unarmed, forbade the carrying of swords into feasting halls.
>>690049877
The chances of a spree shooter being stopped by an armed citizen is signifcantly higher when citizens are allowed to be armed.
>>690049745
Josh? No your name must be Andrew because you sound like a total faggot. All Andrew's are total faggots.
>>690049877
u wat. military bases are gun free zones, they aren't advertised because it's not a political decision it's a military decision. they aren't trying to promote any policies so it's not announced.
>>690050154
Yes, because that sure stopped the paris attackers!
Oh wait...
>>690049028
>You don't know what America is actually like because you don't live here.
Living somewhere doesn't automatically supply someone with an understanding of local laws and legislation. Generally wouldn't know local law from their ass. Half the problem is they don't realise how little they know about it.
>>690048453
> implying all that shit wasn't a false flag
>>690050154
a molotov cocktail would've done much better in a building or something explosive
look at belguim
>>690049090
not just where and when but what arms too. the right says "shall not be infringed" but the left never stops infringing.
It doesn't help that almost all of our gun laws are made by people who know nothing about guns.
We end up with stupid laws like not being able to put a fore grip on a pistol or you get 10 years in prison and whether you buy an AR as a rifle or pistol determines whether you can legally put a stock on it without doing time yet you buy both the same way. Of course gun manufactures find ways of going around these laws but it's annoying to have them there in the first place
pic related, it's a new york legal ar15. It's functionally the same but now it has to look retarded to be legal
Potential mass shooter in other country
>shit cant get a weapon, cant shoot...
Mass murder avoided.
Potential mass shooter in America
>go to local gun store
>buy big ass fucking gun
>buy lots of ammo and dangerous upgrades for said gun
>i know a gun free zone not too far from here
>shoot up gun free zone
What the fuck, whay cant you guys see the massive gaping hole in your logic?
>>690049877
This guy gets it. I remeber when that shit went down noone knew who the active shooter was because they all had gins and they ended up shooting the wrong people.
>>690050273
Like when the nra did mock active shooter tests where civis had guns and in the test 9 out of ten times the civis killed more people due to poor aiming and confustion? Gtfo
>>690049079
The irony here is that maybe it did and we would never know about it.
The Texas clock tower shootings had civilians firing back without much effect. I'd disagree that these people target places because they know no one has a gun there.
>>690049877
military base was a gun free zone. there was a witness there who stated that he wishes he could have had his gun on him because he would have had such a clear shot at the shooters back
>>690050396
It didnt because they were very determined.
However look at the stats m8.
You think there are just more potential mass shooters in america than anywhere else? Fuck no.
Its just that everyone in Paris who wants to kill a load of people cant get his hands on weapons that easily so he doesnt bother.
In america its fucking easy as fat cunt.
Hell i could go there on holiday, pay some nigher to buy me a gun and kill a whole load of people.
>>690050154
>implying outsourcing doesn't exist
Ok.
>>690050451
forgot pic
>>690050625
Source or gtfo.
>>690050371
So for non-political reasons, the military decided it would be prudent not to let just anyone walk around their bases with a gun. Sounds wise
But as a citizen, for *expressly* political reasons, I have to walk around my neighbourhood where any dipshit who's willing to go through the licensing procedure is legally allowed to be packing.
Makes sense.
>>690050464
>>690048807
You're fucking retarded
>>690050466
Murphy's law.chances are with everyone armed the wrong person is going to get shot.
"Why the fuck did you shoot him?"
"Well, he had a gun"
>>690048453
It's a lot of trump supporters who fuck up the gun laws.
>>690050451
>It's functionally the same but now it has to look retarded to be legal
Sort of a tacit admission it's not about safety or tyranny it's that you think guns are cool.
>>690048453
sadly those are "gun free zones" and lib-tard hangouts. There is a reason they are all targeting liberal dense areas because they never defend themselves.
did you forget about the crazy islamics that attacked the cartoon rally in texas that got gunned down before they could even kill someone?
fucking moron lol
>>690048453
you seldom hear about shooters that are shot dead by people carrying guns. the media doesn't make a big deal out of that.
>>690048453
almost every shooting is in a gun free zone, the only people that would take a gun to a gun free zone are criminals.
>>690050932
ya, that elementary school. the one what where the "lib tards hang out"
>>690050672
None of these spree killings were crimes of passion. They were commited by very determined people with months of planning. If you want to get a gun, you will get a gun regardless of laws.
There are loads of countries with a similarly high amount of guns per capita and easy access to them but they don't have the same problems with spree killings that america does. The guns aren't the problem, you dolt.
>>690048667
>Weapons aren't allowed at schools
But yet there's still school shootings
>>690050984
I mean that has to be it right? It's either that or it never happens.
>>690050672
Mass shooters only seem common here because of how big the country is and how much press they get. Before columbine, it never really happened and we've had ARs since the early 60s.
As far as overall homicide rates, there isn't a correlation between guns and murder. It has more to do with the people themselves
>>690050932
Police killed them. Not civilians
>>690051072
Yep, it's like criminals don't obey the law or something. Funny, huh?
>>690049928
Yup. I think it's fucking stupid that cops fear for their lives and cap people, too, but I know not all cops do that. I also know not all gun owners are nuts. Not all muslims are terrorists. Not all priests wanna fuck your kids. We can't judge everyone because of the actions of one fuckin piece of shit. But because we know that they exist, it's better safe than sorry.
I find it fascinating how the UK has banned guns yet the knife crimes have sky rocketed and gun crime still exists (albeit lower than before, it's still fucking there. HOW).
In fact, your knife crime has gotten so bad that they're trying to ban knives now. That's straight retarded, my friend. They're asking people to "save a life, turn in a knife". Do you not see a problem with this? You can't even buy plastic cutlery without showing ID and being 18 in certain places now. The fuck is wrong with you people?
And of course, better safe than sorry works for you as well, by taking the guns away... But can you see how the crime only shifts and how banning guns doesn't stop the gun crime entirely? The issue was never the tool, my friend. It was always the monster using it.
This is why mental health and comprehensive laws are important. Banning things is dumb, since this only adds stress to the people.
Did you know that certain areas in the US legalized cannabis and crime went DOWN? It's fascinating what a little trust can do...
>>690049092
Amen brother. You Europeans can enslave yourselves to Brussels while Muslims turn all your kids brown and institute no-go zones and sharia law. Just don't come here and tell us that we have to ban what people can say and have to give up our guns. We like freedom. That's why we left your shit-tier continent for this one.
Literally happened in Indiana 24 hours after the Pulse shooting
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html
>>690051142
Dont try and dissuade them with facts. They were at a convention drawing cartoons of an imaginary man to spite people living in foreign countries.
>>690051038
Which is exactly why your country is fucking retarded.
>Lets make it easy for potential mass murders to buy weapons.
>lets also make ares with high concentrations of people "gun free zones"
>AND WE WILL COMPLETELY IGNORE THE ISSUE WHEN MASS SHOOTINGS HAPPEN
>"fucking great idea jim!"
Whats your answer to this ameri/gunfags?
>>690051157
Surely any sane person won't bring a gun to school....surely
>>690050672
>>690051125
>>690051072
Are you retarded? He means that people who cannot legally carry firearms in specific locations cannot use firearms to protect themselves when a shooting occurs in that location.
I cant believe there is someone this stupid
>>690051142
it's a good thing our police had the guns. paris would've just died
the same police the left apparently can't trust
>>690048667
So that pretty much renders your freeduhms useless
>>690051289
blaming guns for spree killings is like blaming cutlery for making you fat.
>>690049636
it would have been nice if there had been an armed security guard. I can't believe that fucker even got in the front door. I've been patted down going into concerts.
>>690051238
>Watching this much cable news.
>>690051400
You bite too easily man
>>690051059
If you're serious you're an idiot. Liberals make the rules at pretty much every school and if you think someone who's right wing put up the no guns sign there you're wrong.
>>690049799
that's not what I heard. if there were all of these security people who were armed, what the fuck happened?
none of this adds up. fbi looks into shooter twice. gun shop reports his ass a week before the shooting. Disney World advised the FBI about upcoming attacks. You say there was armed security and undercover LEO's on site. But this homosexual goatfucker still kills 50 people? It doesn't sound like we need more gun control, it sounds like people need to do their fucking jobs.
>>690048453
A, those are all gun free zones
B, you're retarded. A mass shooting that gets stopped is not a story. 100 casualties is a story. the media doesn't giver a fuck about a pro active hero security guard or concealed carry civilian, it completely goes against their agenda of "only cops should have guns" and "only government can protect you" and "being capable and independent is bad and illegal"
>>690051218
he's not gonna respond if you bring well thought out and rational arguments, anon.
>>690051444
If you're referring to pulse there was an armed security guard, and also undercover police officers.
>>690050848
Nothing wrong with either of these things. The American civilians couldn't overthrow their government if they all had their most overthrowing-est day of their lives at the same time, and they all had automatic overthrowing machines. Like assault rifles.
Pistols? I'm for it until the niggers get under control.
Shotguns? Sure.
Hunting rifles? I love game.
ARs? Why? Can you answer me that, anon?
>>690051623
And walks into the club with a fucking RIFLE.
In Florida.
In the Summer.
Either nobody paid attention to the angry muslim in a trenchcoat or they thought it was cool this dude was lugging around a fucking rifle.
>>690051574
You said where they hang out. Do only liberals educate their kids in Connecticut?
That would make a lot of sense actually..
>>690051623
If you're paking and someone bursts into the door shooting it's going to be very hard for you to defend yourself.
>>690048453
>I literally have never in my life heard on the news
>"Mass shooter shot dead by brave civilian weilding concealed weapon"
The reason you never see that is because most of these events never happened. They are staged by globalists trying to disarm america for the takeover.
I don't care if you don't believe me, that's what's happening.
Orlando was real though. It was also a 'gun free zone' which is why no one had a weapon to defend themselves.
>>690051623
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/orlando-shooter-killed-by-police-in-hail-of-gunfire-as-he-was-trying-to-escape-through-hole-rescuers-382673091.html
First paragraph after the break.
>>690051743
So long as he considers it. It's not about being right or wrong. It's about meeting half way. No one has a perfect answer for everything. People need to stop picking sides and come up with their own fucking ideas for a change.
>>690051787
Explain to me what you think an assault rifle that the average american can buy is.
Imagine having 3 guns concealed with you.
Now imagine a shooter comming up to you, pulling his gun out and shooting you in the head without hesitation.
How will you react?
Oh that's right, you can't because you're dead as fuck.
Any argument "if only they had guns" is fucking retarded. You are not safer with guns, you are just deadlier.
>>690051886
This.
Even if the cop was wating by the door with his hand on his gun he might not be able to shoot the guy in time.
But as a security guard you're all over the place dealing with all sorts of things and then some idiot storms the front door by surprise and it's over in the blink of an eye.
That's cuz all the shootings were in "Gun free Zones"
![Paris-Charlie-Hebd_3158972b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zhj7FF1.jpg "Paris-Charlie-Hebd_3158972b[1].jpg")
>>690050464
Charlie Hebdo
>>690051886
Better than having no chance to defend yourself at all.
>>690051840
Teachers overwhelming lean left and make rules that reflect that. This isn't hard anon.
I'm not that original anon but he had a point, I've been saging since I'm pretty sure this is bait.
>>690052101
Watched the video of that guy executing the cop in cold blood.
Not sad at all they gunned the perpetrator down.
>>690050175
Really that's kinda surprising I am a security officer and I tagged a guy with concealed firearm told him he had to take it to his truck then he showed me his badge but the Sargent behind me told him to do it as well
![LiveLeak-dot-com-06d_1447585266-1447580314930_1447585311[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PttlHBD.jpg "LiveLeak-dot-com-06d_1447585266-1447580314930_1447585311[1].jpg")
>>690050464
Bataclan Theater
>>690052173
You mean people who've received university level education fail to see the world in black and white terms like conservatives do?
How surprising.
>>690051125
>Before Columbine it never really happened
This whole argument was deemed invalid the second America decided a document written 250 years ago by British traitors was more important then the lives of children.
>>690051896
It was a fucking bar you dolt.
Do you seriously want people to carry firearms in a bar? Do you seriously think that will make *anyone* safer?
I dont have anything of worth to add to this thread but doesn anybody else think this os the fucking coolest scene from any terminator movie ever made?
It seems kind of relevant though
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjdpoqITXk
>>690052362
Deaths by spree shooters make up something like 0.0001% of all gun deaths. If you want to stop gun crime, focus on shitholes like DC and Chicago (both areas with extremely tight gun laws already, btw).
>>690052362
no no my life is more important than children.If they get shot in a shooting spree it's worth it so I have a good chance to defend myself against a burglar in my home.
>>690052343
He's right.
As long as you forget about
>Waco seige
>Ruby ridge.
>Luby's cafeteria
>San ysidro mcdonalds massacre
>etc
>etc
>>690052533
I think he means how laws say people would have to have their guns probably in their car, and lots of people escaped and were posting right outside.
Not to mention the shooter had to reload several times, and not one person tried to stop him the entire time. People were actually using each other as shields and most of the damage was panic trampling.
>>690052587
"Wrong"
Damn that makes me want to watch terminator again
>>690052533
I think security in a bar should carry not everyone in the bar. not the same guy as^
>>690049090
The second amendment was create so that if the people ever felt threatened by the government they could rise up and over throw it. The problem is that nowadays no matter how many guns civilians have they could never match the might of the military.
>>690051096
Oh, it happens.
In Texas, two would-be terrorists were shot by civilians while trying to shoot up a Draw Mohammed event.
In 2015, an armed civilian shot a gunman who had opened fire in the Falah Barbershop in Philadelphia.
In 2012 Jesus Manuel Garcia was shot by off-duty deputy Sgt. Lisa Castellano before he could murder civilians he had chased into a movie theater.
That's only three examples. These events are seldom covered by the national press. You have to look hard to find them. And these are examples of people stopping mass shootings, not examples of people defending their homes. By omitting these events from the news cycle, national media shapes the narrative about guns.
>>690051787
Trump is a moron, You're a moron.
>>690051458
>Letting his wife get creampied with this much Muslim cum
>>690052533
I was simply addressing why you didn't hear what I quoted from the OP in this situation.
I agree with >>690052954 though, security should carry in bars just to be safe from religious nutjobs like that mudslime.
>>690048453
Too much of not the right kind of gun control. Just shoot up all the places no guns are allowed. Schools, bars, etc.
BUT MUH GUN FREE ZONE DONT SHOOT ME! ITS ILLEGAL!
MFW anyone thinks gun free zones are magical spells that repel criminals.
>>690048453
If i had a gun i'd shoot you
>>690053140
>proving my point
DON'T GET ME WRONG! I am all for gun control, I live in Canada and own a couple rifles for hunting.
Not one mass shooting has been stopped by a concealed gun owner in the US that I can think of (no real research here, but you would've heard about it cause amerifags would be riding that dick hard) but in Canada, Sergeant-at-arms Kevin Vickers stopped a gunman in the parliament building. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1129942/Heroic-Sergeant-Arms-Kevin-Vickers-moments-shooting.html
That's probably the only time I can think of a gun coming in handy with a mass shooter.
>>690053383
No because i live ina real country and if you had a gun you would be in a fucking cell, telling the authories why you have a gun and you whole life story for them to get an idea of why you have it.
Then youd probably be kicked out of the country or given a huge fine and be on a 24/7 watch list.
Man it feels good to not be born in a fucking shithole.
>>690053306
Guy walks into a gun free zone with the intent to shoot someone.
Cop sees him, thinks he's suspicious, asks him if he's armed.
Guy either shoots the cop which destroys the good guy with a gun narrative or admits he's armed and is arrested and taken into custody.
Guy goes into non gun free zone with the intent to shoot someone.
Cop sees him, thinks he's suspicious, asks him if he's armed.
Guy either shoots the cop which destroys the good guy with a gun narrative or admits he's armed and is allowed to go on his way.
>>690052617
AND, the majority of gun deaths, iirc, are the result of impulse shootings. somebody gets pissed, there's a gun in the home, so they grab it and shoot the other person. most of these shootings are perpetrated with handguns, not the so-called "assault rifles" or "assault weapons" or "long guns." these murders don't require a large magazine capacity. stupid lawmakers target the exact wrong things if they want to have an impact on gun deaths.
Also, fun fact: the poorest people in America are also the ones least served by police. So basically, anything we do to keep guns out of their hands (make licensing fees expensive, limit clip capacity, and so on) makes the poor disproportionately vulnerable. Like everything else liberals do.
>>690052222
Nice quads
It's true. H.B. 218 gives active and retired cops the ability to carry nationwide, as opposed to just their home state. However, we still can't carry in schools, federal buildings/property, planes/ sterile areas of airports (unless you have prior permission), among other places.
Now, our state's attorney has said that cops are on duty 24/7 so he won't prosecute a cop who is merely carrying a weapon somewhere not authorized by law so long as they're not committing any other crimes.
Overly complicated is how I'd describe it
>>690053490
I thank god daily we live in a sensible country that allows firearms ownership but in such a way that all that dipshit could get his hands on was a winchester lever-action.
Imagine if he'd had one of these 30 round monstrosities.
>>690048453
gun-free Zones moron
>>690049189
if you say Canada < America on the streets of Canada then you will get locked up.
>>690048453
School shooting=kids don't carry guns
Tech=nerds don't carry guns
Pulse=faggots don't carry guns
/thread
OP here, way too much american bullshit and TLDR here.
Fuck this im out
![2E7E565900000578-3332140-Horror_Inside_the_blood_smeared_hall_of_the_Bataclan_Theatre_whe-m-4_1448383468942[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/txavziv.jpg "2E7E565900000578-3332140-Horror_Inside_the_blood_smeared_hall_of_the_Bataclan_Theatre_whe-m-4_1448383468942[1].jpg")
>>690053952
I know thank goodness criminals obey the law and don't buy things they shouldn't have!
>>690054329
Well he did in this case, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.
>>690054256
Faggot, you started all this. You stay your ass put
I like how everyone has the idea that if civs carried around weapons that some sort of collective, Hollywood movie scene will occur. Where the "good guys" bravely defend the innocent whilst expertly engaging in a firefight.
Believe it or not large groups of people are stupid, will not/cannot, work together in a random emergency and will kill more people. Anybody who thinks otherwise is naive and watches too many movies.
>>690048453
it's cause when it does happen the body count is low and therefore it doesn't get national attention.
>>690054387
Your exception does not prove a rule.
>>690053801
The police serve poor people all the time
>warrants
>>690052617
I live in DC there aren't that many gun shootings, no where near the amount as Chicago
>>690053952
100% agree
dont listen to faggots like >>690054329
>>690048453
Every place you mentioned is a "gun free" zone. Everyone died there because they were obeying Liberal laws.
>>690054601
DC used to be the murder capital of America
>gentrification is the answer
>>690048453
so you actually search the newspapers for a headline "Mass Shooter Shot Dead Before he Shot Masses of People" Look the weather is pretty good at forecasting the future, but the reporters can't.
You aren't genuine. You are a libtard idiot who doesn't care about the truth. You just want to find reinforcement for your view.
>>690051218
Trust, and people being to baked to hate.
>>690054449
Exactly.
I'm john q public, civic hero and CCW owner.
One day i'm travelling to my job in IT minding my own business when all of a sudden the corpse of Osama Bin Laden bursts on to my subway car and draws a gun.
I've spend months at the shooting range, and thousands of wet-dream fantasy hours preparing for my opportunity to kill darkies err uh defend my country.
But as a I stand and deliver to defend my fellow white people another dirty harry wannabe vigilante guns me down.
His story? "I was minding my own business on the train when two guys pulled out guns!"
>>690053306
And you seem to think guns are like magnets and repel other guns.
>>690052289
Conservatives go to college too though? People who go into STEM majors are normally more right wing and business majors are fairly balanced. You don't see them because they don't work around normal people as often.
source: Both my parents were aircraft engineers at Boeing and I'm about to graduate with a bachelors in EE
>>690054618
>you're wrong because i say so. fuck logic.
>>690052289
Ignorance is a choice in this age of information. Even without academia.
>>690054492
Ever tried to buy marijuana without references? Pain in the ass right?
Imagine trying to buy a gun like that if it were illegal.
You think your average criminal, who are almost always idiots would be able to get his hands on one of those things if they were illegal?
And here's the best part. If they're illegal, and you catch them with one, then you don't have to wait for them to shoot anybody! You can just arrest them!
>>690054593
lol
>>690049028
There are a lot more than 10 amendments
>>690054226
Yeah in an insane asylum because thats fuckin wacky...eh.
these threads are dull.
if you want gun control, wrap dental floss around your dicks until purple. you would probably do more harm than good if you allowed that to fire. i wont do that to myself because im not about restriction, im about responsibility, and by having something dangerous (kek) i can go shooting and make kiss-less virgins think there is some kind of hope. europe, please learn a word of the wise, you have potential to be responsible, but you choose not to. make some room and look for change.
>>690054953
>You think your average criminal, who are almost always idiots would be able to get his hands on one of those things if they were illegal?
Yes. Especially when you have land borders with other countries.
>>690054601
>used to be
The only shooting nearby was at a park in a black neighborhood a couple blocks away
>>690048453
I love these bait threads, they make the sheeple educate themselves on their rights and freedoms they take for granted.
>>690048453
Sandy hook never happened
>>690048453
Gun free zones, such as europe, cost people thier lives. Not that difficult to understand our cucked anonymous friend.
>>690054672
The closest shooting to me was at a park in a black neighborhood a couple blocks away
>>690054828
> I'm about to graduate with a bachelors in EE
congrats man
And of course they do. And even in the stem fields, or maybe *especially* in the stem fields, they gain an appreciation for nuance. Not everything is black and white. Subtle differences in a situation make a big difference is how something is approached.
But for oxycontin-addled diphits like the guy i was responding too, who thinks the public school system is a liberal gulag, because all his friends on facebook keep telling him it is, the complicated nature of life is too overwhelming. And so you get brilliant policy notions like:
>"Kill the 'bad guys.' No 'bad guys', no problem"
>>690048453
Firearms are used to prevent a crime in America about every 13 seconds:
http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/noframedex.html
>>690054704
It is always the spoiled brats who think the guns should be taken away. The people who live under threat don't think this way. There are women in this world with violent stalkers who must get a gun to protect themselves. There are celebs who hire bodyguards. There are reporters on mafia hit lists. There are politicians who must be protected 24/7. I have yet to hear the President say that he will lead the way, he will dismiss his Secret Service and live without guns. The man is a coward, and so is any spoiled brat who lives in the safety of the burbs and judges others who need to protect themselves. Not everybody lives in your little protected bubble. Some people actually have real fear that someone will attack them tomorrow.
>>690051238
InfoWars much, tinfoil asshat?
>>690054791
Kinda, yea. Look at the statistics of "gun-free" areas vs. CCW allowed.
The people that would randomly shoot non-combatants likely fear retaliation, so they prey on areas they think their sprees will be more successful.
So in effect, guns repel other guns. Ever heard of a Mexican stand off? Heard of MAD?
>>690051397
Not if this thing is to be believed.
Why do conservitards always think liberals want to ban guns, you think we want to legalize drugs, let gay people marry, make everone a socialist (i am actually a socialist but that is not a veiw shared by most liberals). But fuck guns!! We want gun control, we want a process. You want an assault rifle? Fine, just prove you're not fucking nuts, take a test, you take fucking 2 test to get a car, a peice of machinery that is not intended to kill anything. But suggest that maybe licensing firearms might be a good idea and you fucking cucks lose your goddamned minds.
>>690051397
Does this chart include criminals shot while attempting to break in?
If a thousand people attacked the president and were shot would that be an argument to take away the secret service?
>>690055581
What gene does one have to be missing to watch shit like info wars and not be instantly repelled by how crazy it is.
But of course, maybe i'm just a plant sent here by the Rothschilds. OOooOoooooooo
>>690054727
This shit post fails on so many levels. Nothing poignant. Nothing amusing. Just the image of a cuck scared of guns, fantasizing about what his alpha's must think about.
>>690055557
?
I'm just commenting on the weed man.
I personally think weapons are a necessary evil, however cause many problems in society.
Society is the problem, with it wanting to blanket everyone together, then complain that we dont get along.
Separation, separation friends is what we need.
>>690048453
>And all the other mass shootings on American soil?
Such as?
>>690050743
WTF that's some wild shit
>>690055857
has to rely on make believe because reality doesn't fit his views.
>>690055836
The idea that guns are their rubicon shows how pathologically freudian their obsession is.
Against gay marriage, gay marriage becomes legal, " well shit, I don't like it but life goes on "
Against the legalization of marijuana, various states decriminalize marijuana, "well shit, I don't like it but life goes on"
Against gun control, congress EVEN DISCUSSES the notion of changing the way firearms are handled at a federal level, " I'LL FUCKIN' KILL ALL YOU LIBTARD FAGGOTS, MOLON LABE!"
>>690055354
Why are murder rates then significantly lower then in the usa?
We are living in a controlled world. But its not some fancy super secret, stone wanking, mind control. Just smart rich people taking advantage of a stupid, ignorant, mass.
>>690055857
I'm imagining you're a 300lb suburban marhsmallow kid, who spends a lot of time on the redpill subreddit.
How close am i?
Just because none of the women you know are impressed with your expensive little dick compensator doesn't mean anyone has to take you seriously on the internet.
>>690055857
>implying the kind of lanyard-dicked lard ass who carry concealed weapons are alpha
>>690053741
There are several fallacies in what you wrote and you should feel ashamed.
But it must be convenient to live in a purely theoretically world where things only play out in real life like they do in your head, completely ignoring everything else, or what actually happens.
>>690055922
woops I commented the wrong post. Didn't mean to target your post like that.
>>690051240
That was a gay man prof that gays have mental problems that or he was armed and ready to protect people who the fuck knows for sure
>>690055507
Thank you, I didn't realize you were just trying to help the anon
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>>690053741
That just isn't how it works. If what you write were accurate then the shooters wouldn't always chose gun-free zones, and the thieves wouldn't rob is gun restricted neighborhoods. Everywhere guns are restricted the gun violence continues. Obviously laws restricting guns doesn't deter the crooks.
>>690055857
>alpha
>>690056434
>>690056434
Ohhhh i say good sir!
I have exposed your logical fallacies!
Ergo by your own logic I have triumphed!
I bid you good day!
lemme guess, Cruz supporter.
>>690056168
The idea that guns are the actual issue shows how liberals project their feelings of fear to an inanimate object.
>>690053015
While I'm not one of the anti government whackos, I would say that enough people were motivated they could give the US government hell. The US army has a horrible track record fighting insurgents and guerrillas in their home countries. It doesn't take much besides small arms and IEDs to fight back. The army would do even worse on US soil.
>>690053952
I have a theory that the only reason that the guy in Orlando was able to kill so many was because he was in a gay bar. I suspect that when gays see a gun they all scream like little girls and prance away. Try that in a cowboy bar in Wyoming and 20 steer wrestlers would tackle the guy. America has gone gay. Nothing against them, but they aren't men.
>>690055625
>0.3 more dead per 100k with 50% more guns in the state
>includes shootings in self defense which are going to be more common in high gun ownership states
ye
>>690056351
>>690056415
[projecting intensifies]
[deflecting intensifies]
>Implying the military lifestyle isn't one that generally comes with routine physical conditioning.
>Implying limp dick cuck, keyboard/armchair warriors are known for their physique
How thin is your bubble that divides your fantasy safe spaces with reality?
We wouldn't rush to defend our guns if you stopped trying to ban them every time somebody commits a crime. What, do you expect us to just let you take away our rights because you don't trust us with them?
>>690057101
I mean it's entirely possible.
>>690057265
jesus you're triggered. You conservatives could really use a safe space of your own. You're obviously not used to people arguing with you.
>>690057289
would like to see a shooter try it in a policeman's bar.
>>690056755
He will win. Poor Shillary and friends. I can't wait till all those faggots that said they'd move, leave.
>>690057265
so i'm guessing i was pretty close.
sweet
>>690057355
debate>argument>namecalling
>>690048453
Are you retarded? Whats the one thing all those have in common? being gun free zones, yeah, because the criminals obviously obey those signs because its the law!
>>690054999
Trips of stupidity
There were originally only 10 and right to bear arms was one of them
>>690057404
I mean, either way the first mag's gonna be empty before anyone has a chance to react.
In the pulse nightclub thing the cops that were on site managed to corner him the bathroom and in doing so probably minimize the harm done. But i don't think it's going to *prevent* that sort of thing from happening in a bar, a place where people typically go to let their guard down.
But ya you're right they'd shoot him for sure, just like they eventually shot him in this case.
>>690056765
Haha, what did you google? Skinny white guys with guns?
Still certainly more alpha than you.
>>690057524
see this>>690056919
>>690056215
one example:
because the british lie about thier murder rate to keep the sheep in line
also between 1995 and 2005 your gun crime increased by 96% despite a wholly ineffective pistol AND rifle ban. Any reduction in the useless stat of "gun homicide" is why you cucks have "save a life, bin that knife" containers on every streetcorner. because you chavs started stabbing each other because no one they wanted to victimize had a gun to defend themselves with.
This is why your violent crime rate is over 2000 per 100k, worse than south fucking africa where white farmers are routinely murdered and johannesburg businessmen require armored convoys to get to office buildings surrounded by hesco barriers and machine gun pillboxes.
>“American homicide rates are based on initial data, but British homicide rates are based on the final disposition.” Suppose that three men kill a woman during an argument outside a bar. They are arrested for murder, but because of problems with identification (the main witness is dead), charges are eventually dropped. In American crime statistics, the event counts as a three-person homicide, but in British statistics it counts as nothing at all. “With such differences in reporting criteria, comparisons of U.S. homicide rates with British homicide rates is a sham,”
also the white murder rate in the US is 1.4 per 100k, well within the lower part of the already low murder rates of developed nations. even our full 4 per 100k murder rate with all the niggers and spics killing each other, we're one of the safest nations on the planet.
>>690056919
>Mocking the concept of logic as an argument
Feminist cuck detected.
>>690057717
i googled "concealed carry protestors." I'm assuming you googled "mentally unstable war criminals" and or "stolen valor"
>>690057274
yes, yes they do. Look the core belief of a liberal is that the good guys aren't good and the bad guys aren't bad. They are dedicated to this principle because they live their lives in love with things that good people call bad. They group together with other people labeled bad because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Therefore gays and terrorists and militant women's rights groups and rapists and racists and every other low life all create this club they call Liberal Progressives. It is a hate group and you are the enemy. Of course they want to take away your guns. Terrorists are card carrying members of their club (literally in the case of the Orlando shooter who was a registered Democrat) and therefore they must be defended.
>>690057860
Exposed as a debate team nerd, and a cruz supporter. Get fucked idiot.
>>690052617
Small restricted areas won't work as long as ther is no detailed search for anyone entering. Don't forget those are isolated places in a huge counrry full of guns.
>>690057412
There's zero chance of him winning.
>>690057826
So? I'd say its more likely population growth in urban area can easily sway numbers like that. % are much more accurate.
>>690057355
>Of your own
Confirmation of safe space. Meaning you do, in fact, acknowledge you know nothing and will make any endeavor and provide yourself all the mental gymnastics required to keep your delusions intact.
Nothing surprising here. Moving on...
>>690057731
see these
>>690056351
>>690056415
>>690058125
see above
>>690058008
>>690057689
The whole debate is really just academic. The truth is that gun ownership is the fundamental right to self preservation. It isn't really about protecting others. That is just a side effect that people throw out when people try to take the guns. The US supreme court ruled that guns are a right that surpasses the Constitution. It is as fundamental as your right to raise your fists when punched. There are no classes of people with more rights to protect themselves than others. We ALL have the same right to self preservation. Therefore if the President of the US has the right to protection by guns then so does the lowest Apu working in Quik E Mart.
>>690058125
Implying you dont just lie around redstate, brietbart and /pol/ all day, never having to have your precious beliefs challenged.
>>690058118
>the british population more than doubled in 10 years
>guns breed, which explains why there's more of them despite a ban
>just ignoring the fact that britcuck government straight up falsifies your murder rate
are you legitimately retarded or just so fucking cuckolded that evidence of critical thinking sets off an alarm on your government handlers desk.
>>690051238
Atleast we dont have school shootings
>>690049142
So why cant I legally cook meth on my property?
I always wondered this too man. Like, I get it your country is full of guns because NRA and money, we get it. But all you ever see is people crying instead of actually taking action. Why not man the fuck up and wear your gun wherever you want? Are you such a little pussy that you don't want to take out a potential attacker? Do you love to suck your government's cock so much that you will abide these pointless no gun laws? Criminals don't abide the law. If you'd be rather law abiding than dead you should just kill yourself already.
>>690058477
dubs of truth
americunts are fucking retarded with their hypocrisy
>>690057826
very interesting stuff. thanks
>>690048453
All those places were gun free zones.
What do law abiding citizens do? Obey the law.
Since gun free zones - no guns.
However, if you even had a modicum of Google skills, you'd see "citizen stops shooter" is there plenty of times. Most times the criminal doesn't get a chance to turn it into a mass homicide before they are stopped by the armed citizen, or they kill themselves when faced with an armed citizen response.
I'll grant you this though - stopping a potential mass murderer is rare for armed citizens.
What is much, much more common to the tune of 500k-3million times a year is using a firearm to merely defend themselves from harm or death by an assailant or assailants.
That is the true reason for CCLs - because ultimately, we as private citizens are not law enforcement, and the only time we should get involved with a criminal hellbent on killing a bunch of people is if we are a potential victim of theirs.
>>690058417
what do you call brevik then?
someone post the current high score chart, a good 7 of the 20 top ranked mass shooters are yurocucks.
>>690057914
>mocking War Heroes for no reason
It's okay man. I was an edgy little like you when I was 14 ,too.
I googled a picture specifically of Chris Kyle, like I could with dozens of heroes that advocate being an armed, trained, informed, active citizen.
He overcame his PTSD- from combat.
You still haven't overcome your PTSD from being picked on that one time in High School or something so you're a liberal degenerate mocking people you know are your betters.
>>690057826
mainly niggers and scum stabbing and shootin each other so who gives a fuck?
>>690058477
another spoiled brat has joined the thread
>>690058346
> US supreme court ruled that guns are a right that surpasses the Constitution.
in district of columbia vs heller, the first ever supreme court decision that interpreted it as an individual and not a collective right.
It's the sort of judicial activism that gets conservatives lathered up when it's about gay marriage or the ACA, but they have a built in blind spot for this sort of thing.
No one is suggesting you should go quietly into the dark night if someone starts shit with you.
But the idea that the ownership of semi automatic rifles when combined with high capacity magazines should be taken as unassailable is ludicrous.
>>690058476
a fair question
>>690058363
Can you continue? I don't think your safe space is quite reinforced yet. I hear it pooping slightly. Let me get my popcorn. I'll be back in 5 minutes, type something creative my little cuck safe space kid.
>>690058564
You call a camp full of debating upcoming politicians on a small island a school? You have a weird understanding of what a school is.
>>690058417
>less than .1% of gun related homicides
>everyone shits their pants
Really I support gun violence as it's our main way of controlling the black population. 80%+ of gun related homicides are black on black. If you wanna fix gun violence just leave it be and the stupid will purge itself. Then we can go back to just having to worry about drunken rednecks accidentally shooting themselves, which once again, who fucking cares?
>blaming inanimate objects for the choices of humans
>>690058585
he murdered women and children because he enjoyed it, then lied about the medals he received in his book.
I'm sorry his life got as fucked up as it did, but the idea that he's some kind of hero is hilarious.
>>690058719
Spoiled? Brat? Care to form a sentence that makes sense and actually explains something?
>>690058739
>high capacity magazines
30 round mags are factory standard for AR-15s.
In layman's terms - it's what's normal.
10-20 rounds are substandard, and anything over 30 is "high capacity."
Standard capacity varies according to the gun, and state in which it is sold due to state laws limiting magazine size.
>>690058549
I got a maymay fo dis.
>>690059086
This is a perfect example that USA has no idea what gun control actually means and it is basically non-existent.
>>690058363
>Implying you don't just have your beliefs shoveled into you by Shillary.
>Implying you've ever had an original though.
LOL...heard on the news. That's your problem
>>690058828
> I hear it pooping slightly
that made me lol.
man you guys are going to be pretty bummed when hillary is the next president aren't you.
Who's going to listen to your revolutionary pepe theory of cucks vs alphas then?
>>690054666
Everyone there died becaues someone sold a weapon to someone unfit to have it.
As almost no weapon is manufactured to be sold illegally, most "illegal" weapons can be traced back to a manufacturer and a first, second, third... legal sale.
So if there would be no legal sale of so many weapons, there would be less weapons available to be stolen, lost or otherwise transfereed from legal to illegal ownership.
The only ones who actually profit from legal weapons sale are the manufacturers of those weapons.
KEK.
OP here, i did not expect this thread to still havr this much traffic, i even stated about an hour ago that i am abandoning you faggits. Come back and see that this place is still very much alive.
Fucking get rekt faggits.
If i were a fisherman id be rich
>>690058630
>media and statistic suppression of the massive crime problem in the british isles means nothing is wrong, says increasingly cucked british citizen.
pay your TV license nigel
>>690058739
the second amendment, and all amendments were always personal rights you doublethink left leaning parasite. the bill of rights is a list of enumerated human rights the government can never take away, not rights granted by government.
DC v heller reaffirmed that the second amendment is a personal human right, which is also precedent for the rest of the bill of rights being personal rights.
>muh semi auto
>muh high cap
motherfucker we're striking down the heughs amendment with hollis v lynch and machine guns won't just be fore the more equal animals anymore. We've given up enough rights for the lie of safety. I want gay farmers to defend their pot with machineguns you statist fuck.
you can't restrict rights or technology. you shitposting is evidence of that. Anyone with a basic middleschool knowledge of chemistry and raised as a man has the skills to manufacture firearms. the first automatic weapons are over 100 years old and you can make one out of sheet metal, piping and lock washers.
http://thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-Vol-II-PA-Luty.pdf
congratulations, you now have all the resources and knowledge to manufacture machine guns, now fuck off.
>>690059196
ya cuz it's either trump or hillary
man i'm not going to sit around and discuss creativity with a fucking troglodyte like you alright?
how glad are you that the internet exists tho, for real? Where else would their be a space for a delusional idiot like you to spout of about things you don't know the first thing about.
>>690059168
Please enlighten us on what your opinion of gun control actually means.
>>690058008
Is someone supposed to take offense to any of that? Jesus, you can't even insult correctly. You... do know it's 2016, right? How long have you been in your Mountain Dew and Doritos stupor? I genuinely think you need help. Also- please don't breed with your sister, as tempted as you may be.
>>690059306
Uh...anything in demand legal or not will be met.
>>690059168
yeah your gun control sure stopped some dune coons from using machine guns to kill 200+ people in paris.
sure stopped that dude from shooting up that opinion newspaper who had choice words about muhammad
>>690059454
>the second amendment, and all amendments were always personal rights
that's not even remotely true, but go on.
> motherfucker we're striking down the heughs amendment with hollis v lynch and machine guns won't just be fore the more equal animals anymore. We've given up enough rights for the lie of safety. I want gay farmers to defend their pot with machineguns you statist fuck.
oh my bad, i'm the crazy one here.
>>690058409
Wtf are you even on about?
>>690059523
Tell me again how that didn't upset you.
>>690055172
No problem if there's similar law in your neighbouring countries: Sell Weapons only to locals with proof of a need for the weapon who never before had any conflict with the law. And *any* above includes speeding tickets, tax infringements, etc.
>>690059168
That's because when Congress banned "assault weapons" in 1994 based on cosmetic looks it proved, rightfully so, to have no effect on crime.
That is like saying if I paint a car red, it's going to go faster, then finding out nope, it didn't.
Meaningful change will come with an overhaul of the mental health system, and across the board reform of the penal system that includes mandatory sentancing minimums for violent offenders who use any weapon in crimes, and reinstatement of the death penalty for the most serious offenders.
Time and time again, most criminals do not reform in prison and go on to recommit the same violent crimes again. They should not be allowed back into society after becoming a repeat offender - because at that point they have thrown away their chances at redemption.
>>690059659
A. that is true
B. you're the cuck, yes.
why do you want to discriminate against the gays? people like you caused orlando with your restrictive ineffective laws.
Reason one those are all gun free zone and it's law-abiding citizens being shot.
Reason two mass media is extremely liberal and only tells you what they want you to know so you make a rash decision.
>>690058739
I am old enough to remember the last big concession to libs. They said they just wanted automatic weapons. They said automatic rifles were bad but semi-auto was ok. "we don't want those, really. promise. we just want to get the dangerous automatic weapons off the streets" Look, admit it. You want all weapons. stop the BS.
>>690059659
>that's not even remotely true, but go on
.
Elaborate on this statement please, I need a laugh.
>>690051218
I agree with almost all your post.
Whilst there is organised crime there will always be gun crime because it's more efficient, even in a country where guns are completely illegal to own.
I'm from Britain, Nottingham which was (might still be) the gun crime capital of the UK and the only time I've seen a gun in my 28 years was in the hands of the police. Also I walked into John Lewis (a store) and bought two sets of steak knives, a bunch of other knives and a blade sharpener the other day and didn't get I.D'd.
>>690048453
Didn't know you cared about America so much OP! I mean, why else would you make this thread?
We <3 you too!
>>690059491
It's amazing that someone can think it's viable to insult someone on the merits of being on the internet "spouting", while simultaneously doing that very thing.
Ladies and gentlemen- the way the left thinks. Regressives- not even once.
>>690048453
Not enough guns duh. Who had them? The killers. Who didnt? The victims.
>>690059819
>this
>>690059820
Get off the DMT and put the Ron Paul away man.
>>690048453
those were gun-free areas. places where people are not allowed to carry on the premises. this is why they are tempting targets for psychopaths that want to kill people.
>>690059659
>the first amendment isn't a personal right
>the right against search and seizure and unreasonable punishment are not personal rights
>the right to vote is not a personal right
>the right to not be discriminated against isn't a personal right
if you are in the US please McFucking kill yourself you double thinking, collectivist, facist faggot. If in Yurocuckistan the muslims will do it for you. GG surviving the 2nd muslim invasion without arms. Charles martell is rolling in his goddamn grave.
Why don't they regulate ammunition? If you put laws on ammo then people can't go out and do mass shootings, if I recall correctly in the case of Elliot Rodger he only recently bought his gun and ammo before he went out and did his shooting
>Inb4 lots of people already have guns with ammo
I can't really argue against that but if you regulate who can have it or make it difficult to obtain you'll make a difference albeit a small one but it's better than something.
>>690059901
"When they came for the trade unionists I didn't say anything, because I wasn't a trade unionist.."
>>690048453
Nobody cares what you think.
>>690060190
The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Educate yourself.
>>690059659
you sound like a faggot and your shits all retarded
>>690060201
>why don't you regulate paper, then they can't print their contrarian newspaper!
>statist faggot c. 1800's
same cuck, different century. fucks like you tried that in the past to subvert other fundamental human rights. the supreme court didn't take kindly to that and it's been unconstitutional for the better part of 200 years.
in short, fuck you.
>>690060187
>those were gun-free areas.
>places where people are not allowed to carry on the premises.
>this is why they are tempting targets for
>psychopaths that want to kill people.
...who could easily obtain a weapon outside that area.
If the weapon free area covers the whole of the US this won't be so easy anymore.
>>690060190
The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure. The government may not conduct any searches without a warrant, and such warrants must be issued by a judge and based on probable cause.
>sounds personal
>>690060201
There are 300mill estimated guns in the US.
Who knows how many hundreds of millions of tons of ammo there is amongst the gun owners.
I say this knowing most gun owners probably only have 1-3 50 round boxes of ammo on hand.
Then there are people like me who have 50k+ rounds of ammo in my storage closet of various calibers.
I train a lot of shooters, so I keep a lot on hand because it's cheaper to buy in bulk.
>>690059719
Sigh... yea man.
So roasted.
I'll send you the gold star.
You are best trell.
>These fucking regressives.
>>690060190
The right to vote, although not in the Bill of Rights, appears in the the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments.
>sounds important, and personal
>>690060414
>i don't understand the world "enumerate" because I have a shitty yurocuck education
the bill of rights doesn't grant rights, it outlines rights the government can never take away. We alway have had the rights, always will have the rights, and all human beings have those rights and more.
"the government shall never restrict ______" = you have personal right to ______. not that fucking difficult.
>>690048453
I should be allowed to protect myself.
No other debate is needed.
>>690060563
So you say that the siuation is already that bad that gun control won't have an effect on the number of weapons and the amount of ammunition available to the criminals - except for making many currently law abiding citizens criminals hiding their stock of weaons and ammo.
Well, then ist doesn't make sense to change the laws. But how about walling that country in. Don't let that crazyness out.
>>690059979
Prior to DC v Heller the law of the land was United States v Miller
from the majority opinion in that case, " if [ a given weapon does not have ] some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument"
I don't know how I can put it more plainly. Laws restricting the kinds of firearms people can own / who can own them are constitutional EVEN under heller.
From scalia's majority opinion in Heller
"Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms"
>>690048453
If you dont buy it from a store you end up buying it from the crack head next to the dumpsters. You can make a gun out of home depot products.
Everyone's argument is invalid.
>>690060042
jesus that last sentence
put down your fedora and go outside, you might even like it.
>>690060190
>Being this much of a white nationalist and calling other people fascist
>Imagining you'd have the will to fight in a race war or the shoulder strength to even raise a weapon in combat
>>690060614
Imagining the word regressive as applied to liberals is insulting.
Here's something to suck on. You're a useless peice of shit who contributes nothing to society. No one loves you, the political system abandoned people like you 30 years ago, even the republicans you vote for harbour the utmost contempt for you, and once you're all dead no one will mourn your idiot philosophies.
Now say it with me, "President Hillary Clinton"
>>690051072
Yah psychopath's & criminals with the ability to obtain or procure a firearm tend to not follow the rules of gun safety or gun laws, you know, because there criminals & psychopaths. Crazy right?
Humans just like other animals of the planet have a need to secure themselves and their families.
Over the course of evolution humans have created many usefull tools. One of these tools is the gun. Guns are easy to manufacture so they wobt be going anywhere. Removing the population that will follow the leader will only make them unsecure.
The criminal that does not follow the leaders lead can and will always be able to manufacture and or purchase weapons of mass destruction.
So, guns will always be here and you have a very natural need to protect yourself, your property, and your loved ones.
You owning a gun even tho it isnt a fail safe. Has been PROVEN to protect people in times of need. Sure accidents happen but youll never remove accidents from reality.
So, guns are always here
Safety amd security are human needs
Guns can and have been proven effective for protection
That is all i hand the floor over to mr. Cunt
>>690060924
Take a moment to consider this - 300million guns in the country, some 93million reported homes have guns. That's on average about 3 guns per home.
Now, about 8k gun related homicides are committed a year, majority of which are black on black gang related.
Statistically, that is less than .0001% of the owned firearms being used for crimes.
Overwhelmingly law abiding gun owners are not a problem. We never have been. If the leftists assertions that guns are the problem, then we would be much more rife with crime to the point of population decreases here.
This is more about disarmament and control than it is about crime prevention.
>>690048453
>I literally have never in my life heard on the news
>"Mass shooter shot dead by brave civilian weilding concealed weapon"
this is where you realize the media won't report on such because they are jewish elite and are complicit in gun confiscation
>>690061700
"the media won't report on such because they are jewish elite and are complicit in gun confiscation"
what a totally normal thing to say
>>690051218
growing trend making it apparent that muslims are increasingly hostile to our interests in the west is there not?
they have to go back.
>>690059394
but you aren't a fisherman. You are a faggot. so all you have is a sore butt.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/03/10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter/#10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter-10
>>690048453
Well no one is allowed to carry concealed weapons in all of those places anon.....
>France and pulse are very similar
Both had non gun faggots that eat cheese off others men's taints.
>>690053490
thats actually completely wrong, many many instances of mass shootings over the past few years have been stopped by law abiding citizens
>>690061843
GOTTEM
>>690053741
>these are the only two scenarios i can think of so u dont ned to protect urself just die to violent third world hordes
wew lad
kill yourself
>>690053801
the majority of gun deaths are suicides in america, over 60% of them
>>690048453
Look no further than gun free zones and Pharma industry. I have been on there SSRIs before, and started thinking completely differently, discontinued and felt normal again. If you want to know whats really going on, see how many of the shooters were on Pharma drugs. Shit its basically all of them.
>>690061083
and the subsequent ruling unfucked the wrong ruling under that part of US v miller.
because "regulated" means "in good order" and the metric fuckloads of personal letters and this thing called the federalist papers make goddamn clear
>>690061299
>not importing millions of foreigners who do not integrate, rape women, assault people, commit arson when angry AND when bored, consider themselves to be at war with your way of life, and have killed hundreds of innocent civilians this year alone is racist
are you aware of what a failure you are? does it hurt? do you quash that feeling down and salute with the other good citizens as best you can, but still feel in the pit of your soul complicity in the destruction of modern society in the favor of 8th century tribalism to be wrong?
>>690061491
say it with me "indicted for corruption"
say it with me "found guilty of 2000 counts of treason"
say it with me "make america great again"
say it with me "fuck globalism"
you need to look up what happens to the "intellectuals" after every socialist revolution your ilk forment. it rhymes with "merged".
you need to look up what happened to the brown shirts after they stopped being politically valuable to the national socialist workers party
maybe history would show you that you're a pawn on the wrong side of history.
>>690048453
>implying that story is even possible
A potential "mass shooter" who was shot wouldn't be a mass shooter because he's killed before he can carry out a mass shooting.
/thread/
>>690060115
>>690060115
It's obvious
>>690048453
Sandy Hook was a hoax and if you don't think so then you're a fucking idiot.
Part of it is bad stories you can play for a week and people will flock to it. Like CNN's website was just a black screen with a giant caption about Orlando. Good stories only go so far and they aren't big ones only stupid ones like a kid calling the cops because his dad ran a red light
>>690048453
Because it's illegal to carry in a...
Gun Free Zone
Schools, Theaters, Nightclubs, Sports Venues
Gun Free Zones
You don't hear about the times when a legal gun stops a bad guy because usually the only person who dies is the bad guy.
There have been multiple incidents of Armed citizens stopping mass shootings.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/03/10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter/#10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter-10
>>690054449
i like how you have the idea that no one should be able to be given the chance to protect themselves from violent degenerates
oh and if you think hollywood is on the side of the 2nd amendment, youre bad at reality and belong indoors 24/7
>>690062022
you white nationalists really are delusional.
you're all neckbearded, fedora wearing gun fuckers. Who wouldn't last 5 minutes in a race war, and yet the thing that would utterly destroy you is the thing you crave the most.
>>690062048
which is sad
>>690056755
Little dick red neck detected.
>>690061796
>ugh what jews arent overrepresented in media and gun control legislation despite being 2% of the population
dont say i didnt tell you so
>>690057412
LoL, he will be far from winning.. he will lose big time because hes a big time loser like hes supporters. You know what losers do? or course you do because you're a loser.. they lose.
>>690062252
>neckbeard
>fedora
>gunfucker
>cant last 5 mins in 'race war'
wat
do u even colonialism?
>>690062274
it is, but theyll find another way to do it, in my state its mostly people hanging themselves but out west the white population does have a very high gun suicide rate
>>690062308
his opinion 20 years ago is better than shillary cuntons opinion today
and his opinion today is that we need national concealed carry reciprocity and no goddamn gun bans. MAGA
shillary internet shill force plz go
>>690048453
>I literally have never in my life heard on the news
"Mass shooter shot dead by brave civilian weilding concealed weapon"
Back in May an off duty security officer shot and killed two gun men that were equipped with assault rifles at a event in Texas featuring drawings of muhammad.
Go fuck yourself. There's more, just the news won't talk about these events for days on end. Not enough bodies or fear mongering in the stories.
If /b/ guesses what this is i post my gf naked
>>690062060
>>690062579
this
woman literally demands abolishing second amendment
trumps idea for national carry reciprocity is awesome, MA fag here, one of the hardest in the country to obtain yet it only is also good in vermont. how does that work?
>>690061918
Read a little more on french gun laws. It could make NRA members more than a little envious.
>>690062667
>>690062579
little dick trump supporter detected. You can always tell who's a trump supporter by how fast they get salty. Trump tells nothing but lies you can tell by his "believe me believe me" statement after every sentence but simple minded trump supporters you expect no less.
>>690062060
hahahaha hillary clinton's not a socialist, she's closer to thatcher, and probably to the right of trump. Although I do appreciate being called an intellectual in a sort of backhanded way.
You obviously hate muslims for reasons I wont get into ( you have a weird dick is my first guess) so you should be thrilled Hillary will be your next president because her favourite pastime is middle eastern war.
the line about the brownshirts is extra hilarious, because of all the trump supporters who imagine themselves as bad ass nationalist street fighters, but are suburbanite keyboard warriors and would've been 100% sold down the tubes if he was ever elected president.
I mean there's too much to even get into here but you are the stereotypical gun owner:
1) Afraid of darkies
2) Owning a gun helps him deal with 1)
If these people really are as dangerous as you say, and the government is actively seeking the destruction of civilisation as you purport. Then no amount of guns will prevent that.
>>690062862
>this level of bait
penis size really? kek
>>690062667
The only good case trump makes is for reciprocity between all states.
Its the kind of common sense gun law everyone can get behind until you realise it would never happen.
>>690062991
>hillary clinton
>to the right of trump
>more penis comments
LOL
nonwhite mestizo/nigger halfbreed detected
>>690062862
Trump has made many statements in the past supporting gun control. REAL gun rights advocates are not big Trump supporters. I am sure that is a big disappointment to you.
>>690062991
>>690063065
True facts are true fact the bait statement is crying inside that you feel because true facts ;)
>>690062991
what is it with you and all your dick comments? Are you obsessed? Did daddy stick it in you? Did you stick it in him?
>>690063146
gun lobby is too big for any large scale gun control to be passed in america anyways, too many guns currently in hands of us citizens and out for sale currently for any stupid feinstein senator to cry, trump likely will leave gun laws the way they are
>>690063172
wat
you should read some freud, youd be surprised to find out most of your level of thinking comes from a perverted jewish psychologist
>>690063146
Trump will say anything to gain vote and stupid will follow.. he says everything that he thinks people want to hear and if they don't like it his switches his words around and stupid people follow. It's pretty sad to see that people you see how many stupid people are out there hence trump supporters.
>>690063172
translated:
gibberish...winky face
>>690063294
Bernie will say anything to gain vote and stupid will follow.. he says everything that he thinks people want to hear and if they don't like it his switches his words around and stupid people follow. It's pretty sad to see that people you see how many stupid people are out there hence Bernie supporters.
>>690063118
She's for free trade, trump wants to revert to some sort of half-assed protectionism.
She's much more hawkish than trump
But if you're the kind of person who gets distracted with identity politics, in your case racism, then maybe you're not ready for a seat at the grown-ups table.
>>690063294
>>690063222
gottem
>>690051748
I've been to pulse. Never was there any armed security. Downtown was always too relaxed and now they'll see the error in that. Never enough patrols, homeless everywhere, rare enforcement of drinking laws. Shit there was a homicide like two months ago in front of a club, no change came from that. Dyer just allowed whatever in an effort to grow the party life here and bring in more transplants to the city.
