Why do 'muricans still support owning weapons when private property of weapons only brings them unwanted deaths every year?
Simply put, many American states are still no man's land, and a gun is how you get you food.
Because half the country is retarded. And proud of it.
>>689880236
You fucking retarded no fag we like guns and dont let the EU oppress us
Unemployed ppl have a means to making money that way
Guns arent the problem
let them keep their guns, its good if they kill them self
>>689881320
How are they not? No guns= no shootings...
At least you'd get 1-2 deaths instead of around 50 everytime a nut job went berserk
Why not idiot. If in spain we could have guns like there were in America we weren't be sucking everybody's dick in europe for money.
I agree but they can't ban then because of our Constitution we have "the right to bare arms"
>>689880037
America every day a war zone. Even at home.
>>689880037
Guns being legal and obtainable by the public is a safeguard against brute-force despotism.
>>689881665
"no guns=no shootings"
This statement is so retarded, no one is saying "make guns not exist" they are saying legal/illegal, which is all a law can do
>>689881794
If weapons were allowed in Spain you would just get more shootings in your country. Europe still wouldn't respect you for shit you dumbass.
>>689881665
Guns are tools, not the root of the problem.
how did people in america not see a plane on outer skirt cities and warn people of a low flying plane heading in towards a major city? dont america have awesome military tech or have a decent military?
>>689880037
That's not all it brings. Brings a sense of safety in a country where there are as many illegal guns floating around as there are legal. Brings a sense that citizens can and will fight back against a tyrannical government. Also brings some deaths of school children and fags but whatever, better than not being able to kill niggers in self defense anytime we want.
>>689882062
It happened 15 years ago, anon. Times are different.
>>689880037
>unwanted deaths
you do realize how subjective this is, right?
>>689882077
I see both the truth and the degenerate jokes in one place, luv /b/.
>>689880037
uk gun violence has gone up since they banned them. banning weapons does not reduce gun violence
>>689882236
Not calling you a liar, But i reeeaaally want a source for that
>>689880037
The ownership of weapons don't bring anymore deaths than the ownership of swimming pools and cars. Any item in society comes with risk.
Get fucked gun grabber.
>>689880037
>unwanted
>meh
>>689880556
Because half the country isn't cuck Europeans who bend over and spread their cheeks the first sign of trouble.
Even as a Brit, OP, why are you such as pussy? if they want to own guns let them. These psychopaths would have just used bombs and knifes for a substitution if they had no guns. Its really obvious. And there are 350 million KNOWN guns in America you think all of them are going to be returned to the government even the ones who are cunts?
>>689882329
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
not sure if its gun violence but murder in general
>>689881939
Well, if something is made illegal you would expect at least a bit less of it around, right?
I still fail to see the point of owning weapons...
>>689882148
As was the time when the laws around gun ownership were written you fucking moron. That's half the debate.
>>689880037
Why do Europeans still support immigration if increased numbers of economic migrants only brings them unwanted death, rape, and the destruction of western civilization every year?
Because dipshits of this country think having five assault rifles means they can stop a military takeover. This country is full of actual retards that think there's a magic dad in the sky.
That being said, I own several guns. I have them for the sole purpose of protection and I hope to never let anyone know I'm armed and I hope to never use them outside the shooting range. The fact of the matter is that the guns are out there, and no one is turning theirs in. At this point the only thing you can do, because of how easy it is for bad guys to get guns, is level out the playing field.
Something needs to change though. Mass shootings are becoming background noise, and that's not a good thing.
>>689882329
well by looking 2011 and 2012 were pretty low for firearm violence. lowest theyve been. so maybe im only a half liar
>>689880037
Eurofags are so retarded when it comes to that matter, and no, i am not us-american, i am european myself.
Having strict gun-laws, where it is almost impossible for the regular citizen to own one will ultimately fuck whom over?
Right, the law-abiding citizens.
Since when do criminals give a fuck about gun-laws?
I swear, there are so mandy mudshits in my country carrying weapons around and they don't give a shit because of our cuck-police who will only arrest native citizens anyway.
In former times, do you know which social caste was not allowed to walk around armed?
Slaves.
Fuck the state.
>>689882158
I would expect a country not to want having shootings in their highschools, but of course, the murderer wants ppl dead,
So subjective dude, your right!
>>689882647
I was going to make a post but this is what I was going to say
>>689880685
Theu EU is a loose confederation. The US is literally a federation, meaning that your individual states are being "oppressed" by your federal government far more than the EU could ever do.
>Unwanted deaths
Don't tell me what I do and don't want.
The government does the background checks on these people so its all there fault that guy got those guns. He's been investigated for terrorism and they still said it was A OK for him to buy the gun. Also there is no gun show loop as they say there is its a total and utter lie to make people think the gun manufacturer is evil along with the seller. It takes two weeks before you can buy the gun because of federal background checks.
>>689882857
>>689882857
>country gets cucked by eu
>takes it out on freedom lovin usa
good one britfag
>>689880037
Why do shit tier non-American countries still support owning private automobiles when private property of cars only brings them unwanted deaths every year?
>>689880037
Am I the only one who thinks this kid looks exactly like Sid from Toy Story
>>689881665
Guns aren't the problem.
People are the problem.
All guns do is make killing people easier.
A degree of gun control is required.
Open carrys and assault rifles shouldn't be a thing in public.
>>689882821
a "country" doesn't want anything. A country is an arbitrary partition of land and people
Why do the people in the UK and Europe care so much what we do here, last time I checked our founding fathers fought to make sure you couldn't control us so fuck off and mind your own business what we do.
>>689882563
Guns exist, this is a fact, and will not change in the foreseeable future.
Illegal trade also exists, this will also not change in the foreseeable future.
With these being true, making guns illegal will only make the law abiding citizen incapable of owning guns, which would only really effect the homicide rates of normal people with mental issues etc.
Honestly, if i wanted a gun, it would take me 5 minutes on Tor, and some Bitcoin (which is totally illegal)
>>689882803
seems legit
>>689882563
Yes you will see less legal gun ownership, but the criminals who have already broken the law aren't just going to be good because law enforcement banned certain guns.
>>689880556
>Because half the country is retarded
Exactly. How do you think Barry got elected?
>>689883068
>This is what Eurocucks don't get
>>689882647
you're going to get shot when you're not near your gun any way so there goes the idea of protecting yourself
>>689881939
Pls enlighten me with all those cases where guns have been rightfully used against that brute-force despotism you so fear.
>>689881665
Exactly. France hasn't has any terrorist attacks in the last two years because of its gun bans.
>>689882905
I live in Pennsylvania, up until last year there was a yearly gun show at the Farm Show Complex, buyers, sellers, traders, manufacturers all came.
Went with my dad a few years back, paid cash for an assault looking weapon, uhh wtf was it called, a pap? yeah, Anyways walked out of the building no background checks or anything with that. So yeah, it was real and it happened.
>>689882988
Agreed.
Can't get rid of guns completely in the US; no fucking way. But maybe they should be made just a bit harder to get.
Also... can you imagine what the fuck would happen if the gun nut fantasy of open carry everywhere would be like? I would be terrified of going to a bar...
>>689882647
you meet some of the most retarded people here
>>689883211
If I get into a situation where I do have to use my gun I'll probably get shot with it on me anyway. I believe in being completely reactive when it comes to that kind of situation, so I'm probably screwed regardless.
At least having a gun I feel like I can do something and I only have myself to blame for getting annihilated.
>>689881665
We should ban cars so people can't get into drunk driving accidents.
No cars = no car wrecks
>>689880556
>First sign of trouble
>100's of mass shootings each year
Wat
Because Americans are idiots who think guns equal freedom, and they somehow have the uphold this standard of freedom.
In the meantime they are making a fool of themselves by acting like the world police whilst having no control over their own country, banning chocolate eggs and other stupid shit out of safety but still have kids dying through moronic parents who don't safely store their gun.
>>689882905
funny how the Obama administration won't accept responsibility.
>>689880037
What about cops who use weapons to kill the innocent? Ever think of that? Dumb fuck
>>689882905
not at a gun show..... what do you think they are going to mail it to you? be real dude. do a little research. 3 days for back ground checks. you have no idea what shit you are spewing out
>>689883384
You retard, drink driving is already illegal so it happens a lot less than it would if it were legal.
>>689883236
>being this new to life
Can i play the Hitler card? cuz im playing the Hitler card here.
Even if you're talking about civil rebellion... every one... Every single rebellion against a despot was with weapons, and by the people that had them.
>>689882974
no cars=no car deaths
>>689880037
Confirmed paid Clinton shill. Abandon thread.
>>689883007
I thought we had some kind of discussion going on, but these attempts at derailing the discussion by sinking every term into relativity makes me think otherwise now. Obviously when I say a country I refer to the majority of citizens in it. While the majority seems to support owning guns, you would expect the majority to not want arbitrary killings in high schools and such.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
>>689883652
OH MY JESUS IS GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT!
>>689880037
Taking away guns wouldn't solve anything. Giving everyone older than 16 guns would change everything. No one would shoot each other except out of self defense because they know everyone has a gun. It's easy to shoot unarmed people but if everyone was armed then criminals would think twice about doing something illegal.
>>689883211
lamest post of the thread.
>>689883296
go back a little more
>>689883650
You mean all those civil rebellions that have taken place in the US, right...?
Or you mean to say they have not happened because of people owning guns?
>>689882003
Nah, many more politicians would have been shot already. Maybe we would have had the balls already to start a revolt. Then again, since I´m not in the mood for a second Civil War, I´m kinda glad we´re not fighting.
>>689883652
not true. somebody will import illegal cars. the mexicans will bring the over the border with them.
i dont know which side im on with this redundant argument im making
>>689880037
why'd he throw his life away he had nice eyebrows
>>689882077
>where there are as many illegal guns floating around as there are legal
Not even close. The vast majority of firearms are owned and bought legally unless it's through Obama's fast and furious program.
>>689883352
sure kid
>>689883732
You really think more guns is the answer? I think this would cause a massive spike in gun injuries, whether these are intentional or not
>>689880037
>unwanted deaths
>unwanted
we support our military, we support niggers on welfare, etc
lots of things you support regardless of whether or not you want it, you double nigger.
>>689882974
Hilarious.
Because owning cars actually brings positive effects as well, like people being able to move around easily.
>>689882062
The planes smashed right the fuck into buildings because board was told to " stand down". We knew it was being hijacked and our defence , who ever was in charge that day was told to sit tight.
Trust me. I ask myself that question every day
>>689880037
if people state 2nd ammendment and 'overthrow tyrranoc government' as reasons for not banning weapons, then why isnt the law "everyone can have weapons AT HOME but not carry them around'?
>>689882636
anons got a point
>>689880037
Lol because we have to use our guns somehow OP
So because criminals will be able to obtain guns, you say, we skip all that and give everyone including criminals guns so they don't have to? The fuck is that logic.
>>689883563
oh look its the foreign object in the food argument. that law stems from the twenties idiot. it didn't happen yesterday.
>>689883583
yeah they are gunning them down left and right for no reason.
>>689883732
>No one would shoot eachother except out of self defence because they know everyone has a gun
unless for instance someone who didn't care about the repercussions wants to shoot up a nightclub filled with people they hate... but that would never happen amirite?
>>689884060
Would you rob a liquor store if you knew the clerk and everyone in the store was armed? Would you shoot up a school if you knew everyone had a gun? I don't think so
>>689882236
Same Op. Can you help me win my arguments. I'd like to see the stats.
>>689883900
the latter, sort of...
People owning guns makes it harder for a despot to take rule, and first goal for a despot is to take away the guns.
(not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, this is just political theory)
>>689884147
why do you wanna give bad guys guns and take them from good guys
>>689883643
right. cool story bro.
>>689883366
Nice discussion, fully matured and mentally capable adult
>>689883963
>kid
I could be your dad
>>689882563
>I still fail to see the point of owning weapons...
So your not a defenseless and at the mercy of your attacker and the slow response time of the police (average response time of 7 minutes)
>>689884244
If everyone was armed then he'd be able to kill 1 or 2 people tops before he is shot down himself
>>689883665
I want to see a picture of that kid now. see how smug he is sitting in a cell
>>689884276
Who ever said anything about giving them guns
>>689884248
Me? No, but then again, guns don't play into that decision at all.
I think a lot of people would get injured accidentally. I think a whole lot of people will get shot and/or killed in spur of the moment situations.
>>689883364
Rural state fag here. Open carry laws are pretty strict on where you can and can't carry or example, you still can't carry in school zones, in federal buildings, or in hospitals. Also, carrying in an establishment that serves alcohol is a big no no, Coming from a state where open carry was socially acceptable, I've maybe seen people open carry in places that didn't require some degree of security 10 or 15 times. Hunting/camping are a bit different, because bears.
>>689884338
Will you?
>>689882988
>assault rifles
Cannot be bought without a very extensive and expensive license from the ATF. Stop using "assault rifle" if you don't know what it means. An assault rifle is an automatic gun.
>>689883726
by your logic it is. I wouldn't be so proud of myself if I were you.
>>689884333
You are a smarmy faggot.
>>689884413
This keeps being said yet it never works.
>>689882905
>He's been investigated for terrorism and they still said it was A OK for him to buy the gun.
He was investigated twice and cleared twice. If you start denying US citizens their rights based on nothing but suspicion and murky government lists and not actual Judicial convictions, as much as you may not like that right, it sets a precedent for the future of the possible denial of a right you do like (like search and seizures for example.)
>Also there is no gun show loop as they say
True. What the haters call the gun show loop hole is just private sales not requiring a background check in most states. It does not matter if a private sale take place at a gun show or in your own house. A sale by an FFL dealer however does require a background check no matter if the sale is made at a gun show or a store front.
>It takes two weeks before you can buy the gun because of federal background checks
This is false as far as the federal check goes. The federal check has a maximum of 72 hours to respond or else the sale is automatically allowed. This was done in order to make the background check system impossible to be used as a form of defacto gun control. Some states and cities do have waiting period of several days to several weeks to take possession of a purchased firearm after the federal check is complete.
No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please
>>689882803
I also have stats...
>>689884316
Good come back, I see my work here is done.
>>689884341
Nice in theory, but your statistically more likely to shoot a family member.
>>689883732
actually this is the way it was 100 years ago.
>>689884513
I think the term the eurocuck was looking for is 'carbine'
>>689880037
>Unwanted
>>689884518
>>689884272 is me lol
>>689880037
Because this isn't the Eurocuck Union?
>>689884513
I know exactly what assault rifles are retard.
>>689884502
I'd be honoured, son.
>>689884524
Sry sometimes words hurt more than guns
>>689884532
Because no one had a gun.
>>689884413
>giving civilians under the influence of alcohol/drugs a gun EACH in a nightclub
you're a special little genius aren't you?
>>689880037
cuz we're edgy like that
>>689883643
Murder is still illegal but it still happens. By your logic banning guns would end all murders by guns. I pointed out the fallacy of your argument with a valid comparison. If there are no cars, no one can get into a drink driving accident.
>>689884430
Found him. He took his Fedora off before the picture was taken.
>>689884780
Hmm okay you got me there.
>>689883932
gun control always is. if laws worked we wouldn't need prisons.
I am very successful in my trade. the first advice I always give is if something doesn't work move on, try something else.
the AWB and brady bill didn't stop columbine.
but another law would have?
>>689884647
I believe the term you're looking for is 'armalite rifle'. Assault rifles have selective fire, which requires a class 3 firearms license that comes with extensive background checks, finger printing, and a number of references have to speak to your integrity and responsibility.
>>689884413
Anyone trained with the gun they are using could kill as many people as there are bullets in the clip.
>>689884798
Learn to read, I said it happens less, not it stops happening all together. Try again son. If murder were legal it would happen more, it's illegal so it happens less. No wonder you're a gun toting Americuck if you can't understand this simple principle.
>>689884982
>clip
Opinion discarded
>>689884798
"if cars are illegal, no one can get into a drink driving accident."
ftfy
>>689885042
Fuck you revolver scum
>>689883364
>the gun nut fantasy of open carry everywhere would be like?
A) open carrying tells criminals to shoot you first
B) in some states you can open carry in a bar so long as you aren't drinking
>>689884982
Trained with a gun but is surrounded by armed people can still empty his clip.
>delusional
>>689884798
Gun bans worked in Australia.
They still work.
Gov rewarded people who handed in their guns. The rest got buried in caches for criminals. FYI criminals don't kill innocent people, they kill each other over turf and money.
>>689883563
So much faggotry in one post.
>>689880037
Guns are awesome.
Would be better, and easier, to ban psychos. And prolly cheaper too.
Why would you be scared of guns when the odds of being killed by means of hammer are greater than the odds of getting shot to death?
Buying the fearmonger propaganda again?
>>689885296
>FYI criminals don't kill innocent people, they kill each other over turf and money.
Please read Chicago news this coming Monday to see how many children and innocent people are murdered after this hot weekend
>>689880037
Who is this person in your picture?
>>689885147
But if everyone is carrying, how are they going to know to shoot YOU first, you cuck?
You ever see a mass shooting at a target range?
Christ your generation is doomed. Somewhere along the way they replaced critical analysis class with gender studies.
>>689882857
Uh, no. (Let me first declare that I am Aussie)
At least in the US, if someone wants to move to your state they are moving from another US state. Pretty different to some Polish cunt who doesn't even speak English moving to France or England, let alone some middle-eastern cunt who literally hitch-hikes into Europe and chooses the country that's most cucked (spoiled for choice these days) or has the girls most to his liking for his future rapes.
"All my friends are raping blondes in Norway, but I dunno, I've always kinda preferred French girls."
The EU is much worse off being a "loose confederation" because they're forced to use the one currency for such radically different economies as Greece and Switzerland for example. Dealing in Euros is great if your a Swiss banker or a German factory-owner, sucks if you're trying to run a restaurant in Spain or a beach resort in Greece. Having a proper federal government is a vast improvement in this case.
It's the half-measure of being a loose federation that is exactly the problem.
And I could go on but long story short, stop kidding yourself.
>>689881665
I'd find a way to shoot you even if I had no gun.
>>689885239
>Welcome to strawman ave.
>surrounded
that context was never established, also irrelevant, not everywhere would have many people.
>>689884064
>Because owning cars actually brings positive effects as well, like people being able to move around easily.
Because owning guns actually brings positive effects as well, like people being able to defend themselves, hunt, form militias, mount a rebellion against the government, and target shooting.
>>689885296
The culture here is very different, I've met many people who are willing to die to protect their guns, and take as many police with them as possible.
>>689884110
>Because it's not a law.
RIGHTS don't end when you leave your doorstep.
>>689882563
>waaaah, stop liking what I don't like.
Because prohibition is shown by history to be super effective, right, Anon?
>>689885608
When's the last time you used your guns to resist the government?
>>689884572
>your statistically more likely to shoot a family member.
Your point being.......? Oh wait you don't have one because you can't refute what I said.
>>689883712
>the majority does school shootings.
Anon, please.
>>689885421
Look at it this way. The vast majority of gun massacres have been committed by law abiding citizens like you and me, who bought their guns legally.
See the problem? It's legal to give mentally and emotionally unstable people guns. The military and police have a reason for carrying, and they have co-workers to stop them going nuts.
>>689885799
>first world problems
>literally too stupid to understand guns
Honestly how dumb can you be, obviously there hasn't been a despotic governmental system in place, so why would there be a rebellion.
>>689884647
That's a semi-automatic rifle. Not an assault rifle. But 'muh feels' makes it an assault rifle to you.
>>689885398
tons of mental people in australia, walking the streets and shit. None of them have access to guns. None.
But in America it's different. You give everyone guns, no matter how unstable they are.
>>689882988
>assault rifles.
Fucking imbecile. There has only ever been two assault rifle models. They were never used for mass shootings. Fuck right off with that shit.
>>689886114
So, your saying you've not needed your guns for that? Ok thanks for winning the argument for me.
>>689885296
2014 Sydney hostage crisis
2011 Hectorville siege
>Gun bans work XDDDD
>>689885438
I know his story, forgot the name so seconded
>>689885603
Yes it was you fucking dipshit. The context was that everyone was armed and then you came spouting your bullshit of hurr durr he can still empty his gun.
>>689886213
I live in Australia and am a LFO. There are no psych tests whatsoever prior to getting your license so unless you've already committed a crime virtually anybody who wants one can have one.
>>689880037
Some of us like our guns, but would like to see better regulations. Republicunts and the NRA won't let us treat them like cars. Why you may ask?
>Cus' dey muh gunz n' no terrerist iz gun' fuk wit me
>>689884064
global warming. cars are not a positive impact on the environment.
>>689886325
illogical reasoning, guns have been llegal this entire time, false conclusion.
Look, the basic point is: If guns are llegal to own, then WHEN a despotic government seeks to usurp power, the people can resist it.
>>689885012
Way to side step there buddy. Let's try again. Murder and drunk driving are both illegal. If you ban guns no one can be murdered by a gun. If you ban cars no one can drink a drive.
>>689884080
yeah just shoot it down. nice logic.
>>689885967
The point being they do more harm than good.
Say for example you install a home security system in your house, and it's perfect. It disables every criminal who comes on your property looking to kill you. But you find out there's a bigger chance of that security system malfunctioning and shooting down one of your own family or yourself than killing a criminal looking to kill you.
Would you keep that security system installed? Honestly?
>>689885716
99% of those people are cucks who would get rekt by the average swat cop.
the 1% that are ex-operators will probably have the army rock up with tanks and Apaches.
GG nut cases. gg
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail etc etc
>>689886409
"if everyone has guns" =/= "every shooting is in times square" you fucking imbicile
>>689881320
True, actually. In the USA, gun deaths by suicide are almost twice that of homicide. The gun homicide rate in the US is not that much higher than other western countries, about 2-3 people per 100 000 per year. And if you subtracted the incidents of niggers shooting niggers I don't think there's be much difference at all. Which is pretty extraordinary when you compare with somewhere like Australia (my place) where the gun ownership rate is probably 1/10 of the USA. The gun homicide rate is almost 1/4 of the USA admittedly, but when you're talking about 1-4 people per 100 000 we're not talking about a massive difference all things considered.
And yeah, I'm talking to >>689881665, m8
>>689885296
>FYI criminals don't kill innocent people, they kill each other over turf and money.
typical aussie-cunt shitpost.
>>689884982
>clip
Trying to sound informed in this argument and has no clue what a MAGAZINE is.
>>689884333
sure kid. my statement stands. you're right though. I am better than you.
>>689884338
are you 96 yo?
>>689880037
if you want to live in a gun free society I suggest taking the first step in a grassroots movement by putting a sign on your front lawn which says " PROUDLY UNARMED, THE HOME IS SAFE " you can do it, i'm sure this is a positive message.
>>689886836
So because i used slang im a moron? really? Fucking summer
>>689885438
Tj Lane
>>689885042
>clip
>CLIP
Unless we're talking about m1 garands, your opinion is useless. Into the trash it goes.
>>689886402
TJ Lane.
Shot up school cafeteria
>>689884570
it was story.
>>689886213
If the "mental" people have no access to guns, how many do they kill with other, including impromptu, weapons? Same as in any other western country? Sane western country. Not the US, and no gypsies either.
>>689884572
but that never seems to happen.
>>689885446
They wouldn't, but that's a hypothetical situation. Calm your tits. I fully support open carry and thankfully I live in a state that defends that right. Tactically, I would conceal.
Because only 2-3% of gun related crimes are committed with legally owned weapons
Because trafficking is inevitable whether guns are illegal or not
Because shall not be infringed
Because means of protecting civil liberties and preventing tyranny
Because we don't worship a queen
>>689885799
everyday
>>689887084
>queen
nice jab lol
>>689885799
Me personally, not yet. My area of the country? 1861. Still nice to have the option.
>>689880037
Because freedom is more important than life to us you fucking pussy.
>>689886839
You sound about as secure with yourself as the closeted shooter
>>689880037
Nice try CIA.
The real answer is banning muslims. Its not the guns that kill people, its the people who operate them.
Prettymuch all muslims support klling gays and stoning women for infidelity. Their culture simply is not compatible with ours.
>>689887174
Well said, i fear prison more than i fear death.
>>689886649
>the people can resist it
I'm sitting here literally laughing at the idea of hundreds of drones flying overhead and some redneck in their hut shooting up at the sky with their AR-15 hahahahaha
>>689886911
kek
and there is the problem:
a gun-free society can only work if all citizens are proven to be mentally stable, no criminals etc.
but this is reality and not
europistan-utopia-rainbowfaggotland,
where rape, assault and murder is sport among their "new-citizens" and they just stand idly and watch while their cock-sucking politicians tell them to keep getting ass-fucked harder.
>>689886674
Wow. Worst hypothetical situation I've ever heard. Not even a valid comparison. Have you ever heard of trigger locks, gun safes, biometric safes, or trigger control .
>>689880037
Who says there unwanted deaths
>>689882720
unqualified commentar
>>689886718
We were talking about the mass shooting in orlando you moron why are you even replying if you can't follow what we were talking about. To show of your gun knowledge? Call of duty doesn't count Fucking neckbeard
>>689886690
>Implying the police and military would side with gun snatching tyrants.
>Not knowing American civil war history
>>689887304
lol, that is funny, but nonetheless it works to an extent, the right to bear arms WAS made before drones existed :/
>>689880037
More people die due to alcohol related accidents like drunken driving, heart disease, cancer, etc. Why don't we just ban cancer? Why the fuck do you care if you are not even American? Don't you realize it's already against the law to murder people? You know there is also something called vehicular homicide? Murder with knives, vehicles, alcohol, poison, blunt objects. Should ask of these things be banned? Fuck off.
>>689886754
>And if you subtracted the incidents of niggers shooting niggers
With ILLEGAL firearms. Criminals don't give two fucks about purchasing a firearm legally and responsible gun ownership.
>>689887304
I mean that one LARPer did spear one out of the sky
>>689887436
someone struck a nerve you degenerate, self-hating gercuck?
>>689887009
Police still have guns, and civies like me have access to bats, machetes and shit. If it happens in a public place, odds are some richfag will pull a concealed carry.
1 guy with a machete vs me with a chair
Chair wins 9/10 times.
Plus chairs can't kill people as quick and as easily as bullets from guns.
>>689886920
It's not slang. Clips and magazines are two separate things with two separate purposes. If you want to debate something, at a minimum, know the vocabulary or get called out for being an ill-informed shit-poster.
>>689887755
So... WE SHOULD BAN CHAIRS!
>>689887304
It would be a guerilla war retard. Most of the point would be hiding and showing themselves to make small attacks.
>>689887593
most if not all guns in the hands of criminals today in America are purchased legally through strawmen, normally from outta state.
Can't stop the guns if civies have such easy access to them.
>>689887489
And i totally agree with you. Back then when the playing field was level I would've been on your side of the argument, but today the technology has progressed to the point where a law which was made a few 100 years ago has become redundant. Guns or no guns, I'm sorry to say that if a despotic government wanted power, they'd probably get it.
They think the wild west was real.
>>689887818
You're trying to use your semantic bullshit to discredit me, its not working, my argument is still correct.
>>689887294
>Its not the guns that kill people, its the people who operate them.
That's a lie! My .44 has discharged from in my nightstand all by itself! Now, Little Billy down the street is gone.
>>689883068
this level of delusion is utterly baffling
>>689887973
>legally through strawmen
The only strawman is your argument.
>>689887973
Actually, many are stolen.
>>689887304
drones haven't stopped the ragheads in Afghanistan from doing what they do with 60 year AKs and cheap mortars from the Russians
>>689887755
I speak the truth.
>>689887997
That is sad to say, but I don't think that means we should give them an even easier route to do so.
This also assumes that the despot takes over from the military, but that is somewhat normal for despots.
>>689888107
How so? Seriously I'm here specifically to learn, also to have fun, but mostly to learn.
America feels the need to bare arms because of all the shit they caused with slavery and the invasion of other countries
I have a gun to keep the government in line. The people have guns to keep the government in line. This is going to be tested if the hag clinton gets put in office and she bans guns. They won't nuke us. We have more guns than they do. They can't win.
>>689888330
You wouldn't even dare shoot hillary. I dare you pussy!
>>689888216
Where from? Police stations? Perhaps military bases???
I think you'll find most of the stolen firearms come from private owners and shitty mom and pop gun stores.
>>689888107
He's right. The cartel smuggles millions of dollars of drugs over the border every day. You think they won't start doing guns, when it's the only way to get guns, and when the entire multi-trillion dollar gun industry in the US gets outlawed?
You don't see a potential market for black market gun sales when that happens?
I don't think you understand how much people love guns in the US.
>>689884566
I feel this guy makes a good point. Do we really want to experience the same spike in crime rates that the UK had after their gun ban?
>>689888083
Maybe if you niggers never let your citizens carey them, maybe little billy would still be alive!
>>689888466
>implying there's not already a black market for guns
>it's called automatic weapons
>omar
>>689888328
That makes no sense, the only part of slavery "america" was involved in was during surrogate stages when other countries were colonizing here and they needed slaves for cash crops. Like we abolished slavery for fucks sake, we had a civil war about that shit.
>>689887898
Which would make you an even bigger target for the government to find, and trust me, they would find you.
>>689888498
This is bs, knife crimes in the UK are high
Gun crime is low
>>689887593
Yes, that's a good point. If you want to talk about murders as an argument for gun control, you need to ask how many murders are committed by people using their own legally-bought and registered gun. My guess is not that many, and not significantly more than any other country regardless of the gun laws or number of guns overall.
Gun-homicides are 5-10 times the rate in South America. Why isn't the whole world ripping on Venezuela to do something about it's gun culture?
>>689888621
Omar used some Sig semi-auto gun that he bought at an FFL.
Update your facts. Every single one of these mass shootings they claim they used AUTOMATIC WEAPONS because the media needs to push a narrative.
>>689888630
What?
You niggers scared for all the sins you've commited you need to protect yourself with some guns?
I hope the middle east slaughter all your people
>>689888711
>>Yes, that's a good point. If you want to talk about murders as an argument for gun control, you need to ask how many murders are committed by people using their own legally-bought and registered gun.
Something like 70-80% of all murders in the US are committed by convicted felons; i.e. people to whom it is illegal to sell a gun.
>>689880037
Look at Europe atm pretty dam sure they wish they had guns right about now.
>>689888045
Symantecs and being completely ignorant of firearms are also two different things.
Yes I'm discrediting you. You don't know anything of substance and you're just spouting off what you read on tumblr.
In theory you could kill as many people as you had bullets.
In theory if no one drove over 10 miles an hour there would be no wrecks.
>>689888713
I never stated omar used an automatic weapon. I was implying that you sound like omar, you terrorist stinky mudslime fuck.
Goodnight US fags. Enjoy sucking the firearm's dick while you're kids and wives get shot while you're at work.
>>689888784
It's more of being wary of tyranny's existence, and having safeguards against it, the entire US government has those strewn about.
>>689888935
>while you're kids and wives get shot while you're at work.
the vast majority of murder victims are black convicted of violent crimes, dying in gang war disputes.
>>689888045
You are faggot that argues on the internet
>>689881939
You've hit the nail on the head, twice! Everyone thinks that the Constitution wants to protect our right to procure food, but only through hunting?!
>>689888259
No not at all, but when you sacrifice public safety in the present for this bit of hope you'll only have on the off chance this actually happens in the future, then it becomes a problem.
>>689888045
>>689880037
Notice how they always focus on the shootings and not how many times someone with a gun stopped a crime? It happens way more than you'd think.
>>689888328
>invasion of other countries
Only because your country is too scared or too illequipped to do it. Your country has us on speed dial when shit hits the fan. We'll save your asses and still talk shit because you're jealous that you couldn't do it. Stay mad faggot. It's our world and you're just living in it.
>>689880037
If you only take into account the lifes taken by weapons and not the lifes saved by weapons, then you might be correct.
If a burglar breaks into my house, he will die, but I will live. To you it's another life taken, to me it's one life taken that deserved to be taken and another life saved.
>>689888457
Eric Holder and Barry sold plenty to Mexican cartels. Aka fast and furious.
wow, you guys really aren't against guns
i mean, i knew muricans were retarded but this is overly retarded, even for you
>>689889330
Plus most people that get killed by guns are blacks killing other blacks and that aint a bad thing. Let them kill each other.
>>689887973
The stats just don't bear this out though. Just because a gun is bought with a permit doesn't mean it's legal - fraud plays a major part. If by "strawman" you mean a licensed gun owner legally buying a gun and then illegally selling it on - that's bullshit, hardly ever happens. For one thing there's no economic incentive. I'd guess that many illegal guns are actually cheaper than buying a new one legally.
>>689888909
Firstly i don't use Tumblr, but i get it's synonymous with retarded/degenerate/etc. now, also hilariously, im the one here disagreeing with Tumblr's bullshit whereas you're promoting it.
But no, this is semantics, I'm not going to bother making sure that everything i say on 4chan, is perfectly prim and proper, and up to your bullshit standards. I call magazines clips because that's what they were always called by everyone when i was a kid.
>>689888711
>Why isn't the whole world ripping on Venezuela to do something about it's gun culture?
They're socialists and it's a sin in Europe and all other cuck countries to criticize other socialist nations.
>Guns don't kill people, people do
>Akon
>Person - gun = no gun
>no kill :D
>Get knife
>Kill Cx
The logic in this that "LETS BAN GUNS THEN PEOPLE WILL JUST RESORT TO OTHER WEAPONS" is total bull.
There are knives and other weapons available anywhere, yet knife crime is low.
>b..b..but it's because you never bring a knife to a gun fight! That's why knife crime is low!
>Gun crime still remains high
There is already a black market for guns
Just ban the ability to actually ban them without good reason. Making guns easily available increases the RISK of a shooting.
Niggers just look at your schools
What do you americans need to protect yourselves from anyway?
I understand thay banning them out right isn't the best option because people will still resort to black markets, but then again, your citizens must be fucking niggers if you need to protect yourself from yourselves.
>Population have no guns
>Oh no i'm not safe
>Everyone carries guns
>ok now i'm safe
>>689886095
OK I don't know anyone who doesn't favor more stringent background checks. And your first statement isn't accurate. If a kid steals his parents guns and goes to shoot up a school, the guns were not obtained legally.
>>689889163
lol thats funny, the rifle bullets with the pistol man lol.
>>689888818
>Implying civil possession of guns would improve anything.
Also, some countries in Europe do allow gun possession.
>attackers with guns being stopped by a civilian with a gun in the us
>>689888818
We don't need gubs. Our tolerbance will probect us.
XDDDDDDDD
>>689889597
Get them without good reason* stricter gun laws
>>689885977
There's an art to baiting friend, but you have failed.
Unwanted? They were fags and he was muslim.
>>689889579
>I call magazines clips because that's what they were always called by everyone when i was a kid.
Well actually like an informed adult or get treated like a kid.
>>689887338
Yes, but accidents still seem to happen...
I guess these full proof gun safety methods aren't so full proof after all
Also putting your gun in a fucking gun safe means it's no protection at all. Say for example you're at home with your family watching TV and you hear a window smash. By the time you get to your gun safe, unlock it and get the guns you need you're looking at your significant other being held hostage by the criminal who's shouting at you to put your gun down or he'll blow their head off. Well. Fucking. Done.
>>689889131
sarcasm? no idea what you're talking about
>>689889137
As >>689887174 so eloquently put it...
a few deaths < lowering safeguards against despotism
>>689889914
No, fuck off, you biased prick.
>>689888935
Goodnight Euro-fag.
Enjoy sucking Merkel's dick while your kids and wives get raped by mudshits while you're at work.
>>689889597
Sweet word salad
>>689889933
I've got a sawed off with an assault stock between my mattress and rocksalt rounds in the nightstand. Break into my house and I'll show you how fast I can load that shit.
>>689883199
This is actually what we get. Im dutch myself and there is a big chance that Geert Wilders from the PVV will become the minister-president next year. That guy even wrote a book against Islam.
>>689889933
Have you seen the biometric on the market? They're crazy fast. And what kind of faggot doesn't have multiple guns around the house. If you don't have small /adolescent children in the home, a safe is really a non issue.
I'm a UK fag and we own several guns
>>689890038
>Got rekt
>Doesn't know shit
>Got butthurt
>Stay mad
>>689890443
Replicas don't count, faggot.
>>689890443
I will alert the local stasi. You done fucked up.
>>689880037
Because those people aren't an overly sensitive dick sucker like yourself OP. It's just been proved time and time again that OP is a faggot. Stop clogging up this site with your college prose and go man the glory hole at your local truck stop like a good little faggot. No one cares. Stop talking about it and move on to a more original idea to talk about.
>>689890483
>sees a curse word
>thinks hes butthurt
>confirms bias
Stay retarded america.
>>689890253
You have to sleep some time.
My point is there will be some time where you will not be ready for an attack, and when someone smashes through your bedroom window with a gun pointed at you, then we will see "how fast you can load that shit"
>>689883296
>Amerifat
Terrorists will get guns no matter what you do.
But lets just forget all the white people going nuts with guns
Or the black people killing each other every day.
Shit like that is pretty rare in Europe. Such a classic amerifat.
>>689890641
Lol second floor bedroom and dogs. You're right Spiderman might try to break in, I'll sleep with one eye open now.
>unwanted deaths
>50 fags dead
?
>>689890919
ikr lol
>>689890818
The fact is you're more likely to slaughter your family or kill yourself than you will ever protecting yourself from an intruder. It's honestly pathetic that you're so weak you can only defend yourself with a gun.
>>689890637
Eurocuck: Hello is this America
America: Yes, how can we help?
Eurocuck: The Muslims are attacking!
America: ok, well be right over.
Eurocuck: Thanks the was a close one, we couldn't have done it without you
America: you bet man, anytime.
Eurocuck: fucking America thinks they're so great. God I hate how powerful they are. I know! I'll shitpost on 4chan. That'll help my bruised ego.
>>689890818
Oh that's right I forgot everyone in America by law can't have their bedroom on the ground floor my bad.
Just because it couldn't apply to you doesn't mean it's not a possibility.
>>689889719
It would improve things people could start a riot and shoot the mudskins
>>689891142
Actually that was self-deprecation.
We need to mutate the human body so we can be born with guns as arms
Then we would have the right to bare arms
>>689889784
France in the 1930's said pretty much exactly that.
By 1940 they were German.
>>689891203
Since when do we get riots Anon, be real
Will you niggers please calm down
>>689890443
That's cute. That gun looks extremely British.
>>689880037
German here.
I dont understand yoir faggotry. Why do you care if americans can buy guns?
Are you jelly or something? Ppl in somalia can also buy guns and have a much higher murder rate i guess.
It's none of your business if you are not an amerifag.
>>689890779
Wow. The autsim. Holy fuck the autism
>Terrorists will get guns no matter what you do.
Duh. Banning guns only disarms the innocent
>But lets just forget all the white people going nuts with guns
In what way? Oh wait those outliers that the 24 hour news cycle harps on ad nauseum.
>Or the black people killing each other every day.
This. Less than 20% of the population that commits a disproportionate amount of crimes. I guess you can take the African out of Africa but they're still monkeys
>Shit like that is pretty rare in Europe.
Sure it is. Keep telling yourself that. Wew lad.
>Amerifat
Better than living in Eurabia. Better buy your prayer rug and learn Arabic you sad cucked faggot .
>>689891651
You still salty that you were unable to invade poland?
>>689891651
Danke, deutscher bruder!
>>689891703
You're retarded you have the education of an 8th grader.
>>689891465
How retarded are you ?
>>689880037
criminals always get ahold of weapons.
it would only affect the law abiding citizen
>>689891100
You are absolutely retarded. How would I slaughter my family with rock salt? Also, this is not the only way I have to defend myself. It is very convenient and instantly gives me an advantage. Would you rather I set home alone style traps all over my house? I think that would be more likely to injure my family than my rock thrower.
>>689891651
>Ppl in somalia can also buy guns and have a much higher murder rate
That's racist and disproves my point!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>689884780
Who is mostly sober, serves alcohol, and is in a prime position to see all customers?
>>689891875
>Lets start a riot and kill mudslimes
How retarded are you?
>>689880037
DHS even released a statement yesterday stating that the REAL THREAT to everyday Americans is right-wing extremists, and the sheer number of guns held by these groups.
Conservitards are in damage control mode trying to make the connection that somehow the Orlando shooting was Islamic terror.
Politicize tragedies much?
It was a hate crime perpetrated by a mentally unstable individual with too many guns. The evidence is quite clear, yet the spin masters on the right want to keep pushing a false agenda.
We need to make sweeping changes to how and *if* guns are sold to civilians. I understand we have the 2nd amendment, but it needs to be reasonable.
>>689881665
>No guns= no shootings
Yeah, sure...
>>689884798
>If there are no cars, no one can get into a drink driving accident
If there are no assault weapons readily availalbe then 20-50 people won't get killed in mass shootings every month you idiot. You seem too stupid to realize cars are not designed to kill people, guns are.
>>689891845
Can't refute so why not discredit?
>Arguing for leftists 101
>>689891725
>unable to invade Poland
What, nigga?
Am I being trolled?
>Literally first country Hitler invaded
>campaign over in six weeks
>classic example of a swift and successful invasion
Stay in school, ask more questions, google is your friend.
>>689891996
This chart proves exactly that how retarded are you?
>>689884566
>looking at only firearm crimes and not murder rates and violent crime rates as a hole
Idiots like you would ban cars and for everybody to ride motorcycles, then cite the drop in car related deaths as a win. But ignore the spike in motorcycle deaths please, that is irrelevant.
>>689880037
Safety and security are natural human needs.
No further debate is needed
>>689891954
If you are muslim you are instantly a terrorist. He happened to be a gay one. He did gods duty by taking out himself.
>>689891703
>banning guns only disarms the innocent
Of course. Everyone thinks they're innocent and a responsible gun owner until their kid grabs it thinking it's a toy by mistake and shooting someone.
>inb4 that will never happen if it's locked away safe
then your guns are no protection in a home invasion (helpful hint: criminals don't give you notice before they break in)
>>689880037
>unwanted deaths
all death are unwanted, either through age or pills, alcohol or shootings, jumping off buildings to walking infront of trains, drowning on scuba vacations, being eaten by alligators at the age of 2.
Gun related deaths are the only ones being bashed by everyone, yet millions die from smoking, overdosing, or even the sad but funny auto erotic asphyxiation.
No deaths are ever wanted, unless you're a child rapist on death row.
>>689889597
>Niggers just look at your schools
All school shootings since 1950 were carried out in areas where both concealed and open carry for staff is prohibited. Of the six worst school shootings in recorded human history, three were in Europe with strict gun control laws.
Please use examples that actually proof your point.
>>689892074
You clearly don't see the negatively sloped trend line. That shows that the average murder rate DECREASES with increased gun ownership.
You can't even read a fucking graph and don't understand what a best fit trend line is. You need to brush up on your basic math.
>>689892056
The Polskis raped your stinky bum bum, Anon
>>689891904
Oh so you just have a gun with fake rounds implying that would do anything to disrupt someone intruding with a real gun. And yes you don't need a gun to defend yourself if that your that much of a paranoid idiot then yes set up home alone style traps.
>>689892005
>assault weapons readily availalbe
They're not. You need a class 3 license through the ATF before you can get one. Good luck with the waiting list, background check, and the extremely high fee. Why? AN ASSAULT RIFLE IS AUTOMATIC. Just because NPR calls them "assault rifle" it doesn't mean that they are.
Damn you are fucking stupid and ill-informed.
>>689892117
maslows hierarchy of needs is a load of crap.
Go back to your kitchen Nurse
>>689892232
>Biometric quick open safes
>Multiple guns in said safes around the home
Next question
>>689888909
>rounds
>bullets
>>689892317
An assault weapon is any weapon that isn't a hunting rifle or handgun. How stupid are you. Just because it's "Automatic" doesn't change shit you idiot republicans bring that up more than lefts do. You seem to forget a man just killed 50 people with a semi auto
>>689891954
How is this a threat to everyday Americans? Sounds like it's more a threat to the government. If this guy didn't have a gun he would have found another means of killing. Bombs kill a lot of people too. Maybe we should make sweeping regulations to illegal bomb making laws.
>>689892317
No you eat your mums pussy fgt becoz ur gay
>>689891936
>suggesting a BARTENDER should shoot out into A CROWD OF PEOPLE and kill the shooter.
good one mate, sounds fullproof
Ban all the guns makes as much sense as ban all the Muslims.
>>689892551
A shotgun isn't a rifle.
The Ar15 is one of the most extensively used guns in hunting.
Automatic vs simi changes everything. That's why the law distinguishes between the two.
Stay mad though.
>>689891954
Libtards are in glee mode trying to make the connection that somehow the shooting by an ISIS-identifying Muslim was not about Islamic terror but a hate crime against gays because American conservatism.
Politicise tragedies much?
It was an act of terrorism by an extremely focused individual who planned mass murder by any means. The evidence is quite clear, yet the spin masters on the left want to keep puching a false agenda.
We need to make sweeping changes to how and if we let Muslims into this country. I understand that equality is important, but it needs to be reasonable.
>>689892605
look on the bright side he might kill some random gays aswell as a mudskin.
Lets make guns readily available to mudslims like omar
>>689892451
What about the gun owners themselves? Sure there are loads of innocent responsible gun owners out there but it is so easy for someone with cruel intentions to act like a responsible gun owner as well. Just because your experiences with guns have been safe doesn't mean everyone should have a gun.
