Britfag EU Referendum Thread
Are you voting in or out /b/?
out
in
Out.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people, especially in large groups. These are the "in" people who are too scared of change.
Nothing will progress if nothing changes.
>>689582358
and leaving the eu changes the eu...?
out.
Out
>>689581983
Still not decided 100%. There are lots of pros and cons for both. I would like to vote out to see what actually changes. What puts me off is that this would give more power to Cameron to do what he wants. Which is pretty scary.
>>689582508
No nigga, it SHOULD loosen the hold that the EU has over the UK except lots of people are too scared of what different or are scared of change.
out, make Britain great again
Give us an argument for leaving that doesn't involve immigration.
Unless you know it's safe, always pull out...
... And Europe isn't safe.
>>689582508
Other countries will follow suit. Plus without our weekly contribution of £2480000 they aren't going to be as well off. Fuck Merkel.
We need to so we can build a wall
>>689583045
so instead of trying to fix a problem, we'll just walk away from it. how very british of you.
i honestly have no idea
YFW you realise
>Germany is the economic centre of Europe
>It wants to maintain the EU
>Nazi Germany dreamed of creating a European national coalition of states under Nazi rule.
>Germany never really lost the war.
>The EU is the Nazi Germany plan fullfilled.
>The third reich never ended.
>And Merkel leads it.
>>689583303
Why should we try to fix a failed communist project we didn't sign up for?
>>689581983
>BRITAIN, BRITAIN, BRITAIN! OUT! OUT! OUT!
>BRITAIN, BRITAIN, BRITAIN! OUT! OUT! OUT!
>BRITAIN, BRITAIN, BRITAIN! OUT! OUT! OUT!
Either way the government fucks you,
>>689581983
out
don't want muslims coming into my country they are dangerous and rapists. If we don't leave I'm moving to USA with trump
>>689583303
>instead of bailing the water out of the titanic with a thimble, how dare you get in a lifeboat!
shake my head to be honest family
>>689583494
Lol
>>689583494
DON'T MENTION ZE VOR!
>>689581983
In. Only people who want to live on the dole and do fuck-all wants out and thinks that will magically make it happen.
>>689583188
the fact that we are hampered in all trade and law making affairs by people we never elected in another country and have no say from our elected officials in our own country to retract these laws.
Eu is like the stockmarket. When Turkey wants in on the fun, its about fucking time to leave...
>>689583520
we clearly did sign up for it, and now you're using hyperbole.
>>689583252
doubt it. the safety net that they get (good example: greece) has been very useful for those countries. it's not just about us, you know. theres more than one person in this world.
>>689583758
so you're comparing those two things without making a logical argument? why do i expect anything else. we've done many other successful negotiations in the pass with others, why not do it again?
>>689583801
he's right you know
>>689581983
Simply put, I do not believe in ever closer union. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.
>>689583799
Boy are you wrong, I want out. I make my money out of people who have very little. Either way I can't lose.
>>689583600
this, dubs dont lie
>>689581983
out, the eu is a sinking ship
>>689583303
I'm a afraid this argument doesn't work in this situation. It's not a homeless person you're walking away from it is an unelected, corrupt dictatorship that has gone from a grand idea of european countries living in harmony to a money grubbing corruption ring getting more power by the day.
You're argument is like saying we should only vote for one party... if you vote for a different party YOU'RE JUST WALKING AWAY FROM IT HOW VERY BRITISH OF YOU.
destroyed.
>>689583939
We signed up for the EEC for reasons of trade, we didn't sign up to let hordes of niggers and arabs colonise everywhere they could. Fucking liberal student retard.
>>689583799
Wasted dubs
>You are being misled.
>>689581983
You don't need to stay in to have good trade deals, we are the second biggest economy in europe, we can negotiate that shit on our own, plus we need more skilled workers coming in, especially doctors for our crumbling NHS, out is the only way people.
>>689581983
People who say out: We want british sovereignty and better trade and to control our own borders. This crisis has gone to far
People who say in: If you don't vote in you are a bigot and a racist
I don't like threats and shit arguments I'm out
>>689583600
>>689584377
These guys are right.
>>689584553
i told you, dubs dont lie
Migration is something humans have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years. To decide that we somehow have 'ownership' of land is incredibly naive and preposterous.
>>689584191
no, i didn't say vote for one party. just get our voice heard, like we almost always do. we've been on the winning side literally thousands of times.
>>689584206
they arent? it's still a mostly white population. i can see exactly where you're coming from, immigration is a big problem, but weve got more people coming from outside the eu than in, and weve even got a points based system on that, soo....
Europe is a falling plane anyway. If Britain jumps out before it hits the ground it falls to death, if it stays in it also falls to death
>>689584655
Then let a homeless person live in your house.
>>689583799
I work. I work with a lovely Romanian, who is here because of the EU. I used to work with a Spaniard, Germans, French, Italians. Notice a theme? All European. Because of the inherent European bias in our current system. We need to stop our "Little Europe" attitude and open up immigration to the world.
That being said. I love Europe. I don't want to marry her. No to union. And, I want control over immigration. Quality control, not quantity control.
But. Most importantly I want Democracy.
To all those who are in favor of open borders, and love to spew the racism word at those who want to control immigration, just remember it is your system that discriminates against non Europeans. Not ours,
>>689583939
Lol... so you mention the safety net for greece, yeah we're not saying greece will follow suit we're saying the countries that actually have an economy will - france, germany etc.
Why does the out have to defend itself anyway I don't get it.
Every person voting in says "TRY TO CONVINCE ME TO VOTE OUT BY NOT MENTIONING IMMIGRATION" like a fedora wearing tool.
Try convincing me to vote in by not mentioning a negative about the EU - pro tip - you can't
gotta get the fuck out before we become a federal state of the united states of europe
>>689583939
When we signed up to being in europe, they PROMISED us that it was only for trade purposes. We never wanted uncompetitive regulations imposed on our economy, we never wanted the european commission and we certainly never wanted free movement
>>689581983
out, bet placed.
if you leave enjoy paying for your doctors appointments and operations...goodbye free healthcare and the NHS
if you live here you know our government is fucking shit and useless, the OUT campaign only makes it about immigrants and dont look at the bigger picture, and even if we do leave it wont fucking stop, they wont do anything about it, its too late
open your fucking eyes
>>689582358
without brit eu will collapse, germany can't handle all pressure
britain leaving doesn't mean britain will get better
>>689584995
>if you leave enjoy paying for your doctors appointments and operations...goodbye free healthcare and the NHS
We've had a free NHS since the 40's, before we joined the EU.
>>689584811
The majority of people in the UK don't understand the pros or cons. They just see immigration..this referendum is a sham because people don't understand crap.
LEAVE
Surely nobody on this bit of the internet is in? The EU is so totally and completely fucked up it's unreal. Every single major Eurozone bank is in massive trouble. Really bad things are about to happen regardless of which way the vote goes, but if we don't extricate ourselves from the EU as a matter of urgency, we are certain to go down with the ship
>>689583021
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.
Cameron will have exactly 0% extra power because we're voting on leaving the EU, not voting to join the fucking Khmer rouge.
David Cameron wants me to stay in so I will be doing the opposite.
>>689584677
>its still a mostly white population
>still
This is the point hes making... the Influx of migrants has swollen profuseley in the last 30 years, they strain the NHS they Increase the need for taxation of the Native population.
And take over Entire communities making it unviable for people of another ethnic background to live their.
Im sorry but when our people are unable to even find homes for themselves because of a rotund and billowing stream of non natives there is a problem in policy and many of it lies DIRECTLY with the EU and Free Movement in Europe.
I'm Out mother fuckers
>>689585333
lol.
>>689584995
Staying in the EU hurts the NHS, health tourists drain the money out of it and occupy beds without contributing
Its about migration because migration is quite obviously fucking us over in a major way
The corporate fat cats need fresh migrants to lower the wages and keep the services they pay for services cheap. Once a migrant family has been in the UK for a few generations they generally experience some level of upward mobility and will no longer serve in the lowest paid jobs in the service industry, so fresh debt slaves need to be imported.
>>689581983
leave, because we shouldn't have to let a European court decide this is okay: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36526158
>>689584995
are you fucking retarded....the NHS isn't subsidised in any form by the EU it all comes from Income tax, like all other national services..
>>689585334
holy shit grow up
>Hate David David Cameron
>David Cameron, Tory, votes in
>Boris Johnson, Tory, votes out
I bet you think Bojo is top guy as well cause he sounds funny and got caught on a ziplineerw]wermy;rtyuuktr'u fuck off
top kek at the cucks who actually think that we spend 53 million a day on EU and get nothing in return
>>689583801
"we are hampered in all trade and law making affairs by people we never elected"
It's called foreign trade. most of your economy depends upon it with the EU. Leave and anything you import from there will be more expensive + anything you export to there will be harder to sell... and aaaaall that simple fact implies is why you shouldn't leave. Or else, you can tell us the truth and say that you are leaving because immigration.
>>689585382
>>>689584677
>>its still a mostly white population
>>still
>This is the point hes making... the Influx of migrants has swollen profuseley in the last 30 years, they strain the NHS they Increase the need for taxation of the Native population.
>And take over Entire communities making it unviable for people of another ethnic background to live their.
>Im sorry but when our people are unable to even find homes for themselves because of a rotund and billowing stream of non natives there is a problem in policy and many of it lies DIRECTLY with the EU and Free Movement in Europe.
Here Here.
>>689581983
I was actually on the ropes until the amount of ridiculous claims I've heard from those voting yes and the reaction of the likes of France and Germany.
Voting out doesn't necessarily mean we're just going to halt immigration it means we can decide ourselves what we want to do.
But what really turned me to no was the way ministers from France and Germany are threatening to cut trade with us to spite us as well as France threatening to cease stopping immigrants illegally entering through the channel tunnel.
If that's how they act from us thinking about leaving their VIP club then they aren't friends at all and we're better off without them.
The EU is great in theory, but it needs to change. Nobody in this country would ever vote to enter it in it's current state.
Additionally, the apathy and indifference toward the refugees in the first place, along with the bullying of Greece was nicely off-putting for EU membership.
i'm tempted to vote in, purely because scotland will go independent if britain leaves, (scotfag here) and probably embrace reckless leftism. ideally i would want the UK out and for scotland to stay in the UK. but i couldn't do that to my english and welsh brothers and sisters, so I will vote out.
>>689585661
I'd take Boris over Cameron, at least Boris is conservative, Cameron is a lefty in disguise.
>>689585547
>>689585547
maybe you should have thought about that before you went socialist
>>689584677
Also you are coming across as a typical vote in person, who will think himself intelligent - so please put aside any emotional feeling of the EU - do the research, look at the EU controls what it gives us what it prohibits, what it costs (realistically) what shit countries at the other side of the world joining does to us, what say we have in it, how the leaders have behaved, how they got elected, how much we have a say in anything that happens, whether you want the euro and most importantly if you think you would like just a little bit of democracy left in the running of this country.
I'm not raging, hating or anything, just please look at the problem more and you will see there's only one (sadly hard) way to vote.
>>689584471
You want to trade with the EU you'll have to accept the free movement of people. Immigration argument is invalid.
>>689583021
Vote out then, Cameron wants to stay in, he'll be damaged if the vote is out. Of course then we get Boris which may not be your cup of tea either.
>>689585742
90% of scotland will die if they go independant
>>689585140
we dont have the economy to keep free health if it goes this way like we used to...as i stated already, open your eyes
>>689581983
In. Only people that don't understand basic economics want out.
>>689585698
Its not about the money, its about them ruling over us with no oversight and no accountability.
The economic benefits are a helpful plus to sway over people who choke on the red pill of multiculturalism
>>689585698
it is indeed foreign trade, but its non negotiable to many extents.
This is the problem.
>>689585742
Thank you Scottish Brother! London wanker here.
>>689585954
this
In
>>689585954
american here, explain please? i am trying to figure out what is going on over there
>>689585885
it was a great idea at the time and i voted yes. now i am happy that we didn't go independent - the reckless left is somewhat restrained by westminster and yes it would have been an economic disaster.
>>689583188
Greater financial freedom to broker our own trade agreements without Johnny foreigner sticking his grubby fingers in the pie.
No more crippling financial assistance to failing EU states like Portugal,Greece, Spain, ROI, etc.
Employersnwill have the right to employ who they want, not just who they can get.
Almost all the advantages are financial. The immigration thing is just poked about to stir thickens into voting out because they don't understand the real picture.
>>689584471
>"control our own borders"
>The UK is not a Schengen country.
Fucking kill yourself.
>>689585834
next you will say they won't trade with us if we leave are you retarded muslim and niggers are a massive problem go to hell you liberal cuck
>>689584811
we're one of the few countries to hold this referendum twice - oh wait a sec, i think we're the only one. no other country is going to follow suit too soon.
i havent said the whole immigration thing before. hell ive never even seen that stupid argument.
you've still got the safety net, you can freely move, the chance to arrest criminals overseas within europe easily, access to a massive treasury, funding to business, education, and a lot of science work, strong relations with other countries which are good in preventing war or other conflicts, the the very normal laws the the eu passes that arent exactly radical, stuff like that. those are good.
>>689584936
never seen them say that they promised but whatever, it's not the first time false facts are in the debate from both sides.
>>689585382
more people that we give birth to strain the nhs. muslims cant have alcohol and have a drunk night where they end up in a hospital bed the next day.
i don't know what it's like for you, but ive seriously not seen much multicultralism anywhere other than london. theres a lot more than london in the world.
no, theres a real rise in housing prices right now. like thats visible.
>>689585807
yeah, ive seen it. i don't think the eu is ideal but the worst way to solve a problem is to not solve it. why not be brothers in arms instead of selfish twats for once. and eu payments take up a realitively small amount of the budget, whilst jobs connected to the eu dont. ive seen both sides, and theyre both shit options, and were getting fucked whatever happens, but lets give it a shot and try to make this work.
>>689586106
Parents are going through a rough patch and some people think they may get divorced. We're just deciding who gets the house and who gets the dog.
>>689581983
It doesnt matter what you vote for, it has already been decided that britain will remain IN
just like how britain was in the E.U in the first place, mysteriously all the votes from the first in or stay out have disapeared,
ask alot of old people, you wont find one that voted to go into europe in the first place...
shake it all about
>>689585887
We can trade with the rest of the world you spakka.
>>689584190
>> SINKING SHIP
"Although growth is projected to be slow, the EU remains the largest economy in the world with a GDP per head of €25 000 for its 500 million consumers. The EU is the world's largest trading block. The EU is the world's largest trader of manufactured goods and services. The EU is the top trading partner for 80 countries."
Congratulations on buying the "out" campaign's BS.
>>689581983
all of your british people are complete garbage.
>>689585834
but thats not true, Take norway or iceland as Prime examples.
Iceland is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), a grouping of four non-EU European countries, and is also part of the European Economic Area (EEA).
>>689585635
and who do you think most of our doctors are? from other countries...
>>689586166
yeah because eu isn't taking in loads of fucking niggers and muslims you cunt are you retarded
>>689586225
dad gets the house. you keep the dog. mum gets the milkman.
>>689586277
What a ridiculous comment. Idiot. Yes..it's all one big conspiracy.
>>689581983
forever out! i truly believe is what's best for britain! if your voting in you're not fucking british!
In
>>689581983
Out, but I'm not too fussed either way - not enough to bother voting anyway.
I'll stick a few hundred £ on us staying in, that will soften a 'remain' verdict for me nicely. If we vote out and I lose it, who cares, we're out.
>>689586338
we are. we dont have a decent voting system, we hold stupid referendums, oor prime minister has a go at us for anal sex when he wants to get it on with a pig...it's awful.
>>689586476
truth
In, the reason Boris wants to leave is because he's a pro business posh boy who wants to enable his rich business friends to pressure the govt. to relax workers rights if we leave. So many retards seem to think it will bring the empire back if we leave
>>689585968
What the ... I mean...
Jesus.
>>689585807
Lastly I would like to add.
If you wouldn't vote to join now, vote to fucking leave.
(Pro life tip - if you want to get into management and higher paid jobs all you have to do is be able to make decisions - start with this one, leaving the EU, not listening to that totally misplaced morality compass inside of you)
>>689585279
can i get SAUCE with that
>>689581983
I'm American but I'm assuming that the UK doesn't have voter ID laws. So I'll fly over to vote out.
In
Out
In
Out
you shake it all about
>>689586198
Of course they will. There will be a trade deal both the UK and the EU will need it. But you'll have to follow their rules it's as simple as that. Saying the UK will get special treatment is just dreaming and it won't happen.
>>689586446
Who's the milkman in this scenario?
>>689586204
5 june 1975, when we voted to stay in, it was literally called "the common market" not "the european union"
None of that stuff that we are unhappy about was even on the table for that vote. They bait-and-switched us in the 90s
>>689586106
Voting out will force us to re-negotiate all our current trade deals with EU firms - which make up 54% of our trade - at a rate less favourable than it is now. Not to mention the uncertainty that is already affecting the exchange rate which reduces the value of our currency. I'm predicting the sterling will hit it's lowest point for the last 30 years if we leave. As well as this, the amount of trade tariff/levies we receive as part of the EU will be removed meaning we'll be much worse off in the short-run economically.
>>689585954
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
As a manager at a wealth management company - I can speak for the choir when most of us in financial services want OUT and for good reason. Read some more economics bro.
>>689586415
I think the leave campaign would argue that they'd let doctors, nurses, care workers etc stay - I get your point but you'd be best off with a different example.
>>689586785
Preach it brother
>>689586653
we had another chance to pull out in the 80's before this one and we didn't, so i guess we don't actually care and maybe this is some sort of improvement for some people?
>>689586338
your english is fucking garbage
>>689586634
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Parliament
>>689586597
Of course we do. You'll be prosecuted for electoral fraud if you try.
>>689586785
Most of the people in finance caused the 2008 crash. You being in finance really means jack shit
>>689586614
except we don't only have to trade with the eu??? USA and Asia are happy to trade with us EU needs us more than we need them
>>689586291
>"We can trade with the rest of the world you spakka."
And compete with china, the us, and Germany itself over the same spectrum?
kek, i'm not british but if your country is going to be ruled by people like you, then you are all doomed.
>>689585061
They need to wise up and become states within a federal district instead of the simi-autonomous bullshit they have now. The have nots in power will always use the EU to punish the more successful members.
>>689586614
And they'll have to follow our rules when they want something (£££) from us in the not too distant future.
>>689585694
>>689582354
>>689583188
>>689586785
Well, yeah it makes sense for you individually. We're talking about the whole country and your firm is a pretty small sample size to make decisions based on
>>689581983
Northern Ireland will fucking die outside of the EU. Everyone forgets about us and all the border shit will be a nightmare which no one considers.
>>689586300
The problem with those figures is the GDP isn't balanced out between the member States. Basically it's a business partnership between (16) or so partners where 5 partners do all the work and the other 9 take an equal share of the wealth whilst contributing nothing but extra workload and running costs.
Out all the way, or spend an eternity watching Pedro and guido take an all day siesta whilst the factory burns down.
>>689587067
No valid response so posts idiotic crap. Typical BorisJohnson Fanboy.
>>689586804
>i think
why you voting if you dont know?
in. because i'm not an edgy 12yo.
>>689586949
Lol no they don't. The EU is a much bigger market. The US already told us we'll be at the back of the queue.
Why trade with 60m people over 300m? Especially when those 60m are all suddenly poorer.
>>689584206
Yeah you have a shit ton of hindu niggers that are taking over GB and you dont have a problem with them, only with other niggers?
>>689587299
Hindus are sound. You can have a beer with them and they don't cause any trouble.
>>689587300
Oh my bad. UKIP fanboy.
>>689587096
If anyone is actually interested in an analysis by a professional here are the possible out scenarios
>>689586981
Sure. But they can make it more difficult for us than we can for them. Simple economics. There's more of them and they'll be economically stronger.
>>689586204
>good in preventing
You wot mate? Way to attack Isis and stop Putin from reforming the USSR.
>>689586924
This.
>>689587298
Obama said we'd be at the back of the queue. Trump has said the opposite and guess who will be making that decision?
>>689587298
yeah they fucking do you yard the trade barriers put on us by the EU prevents the trade they want to do with us are you retarded
>>689586009
market laws are never negotiable. Fucking up your entire economy just because some idiot told you that it's for the sake of saving the country for multiculturalism (see this clown here: >>689585968) is pure stupidity.
>>689587414
>appeals to emotion intensifies
>>689586981
I'm a leaver, but the stayers have a good arguement in saying we'd have to follow EU rules to trade - saying they'll have to thusly follow ours doesn't really work.
There's no real countering it, on this particular point they are right, leaving then trading will make us compromise a bit and get slightly shafted in the meantime.
>>689581983
Out.
We need to become closer to the non-shit tier commonwealth countries, like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Free trade, free movement, and military alliances with those guys wouldn't be too shit. Maybe even an economic union if things go really well.
>>689587512
Clinton. Back of the queue you soon to be irrelevant little cucks.
>>689587157
Based on your argument, you should also get rid of Cornwall and most of Wales.
>>689587101
Now I'm voting leave for sure, Northern Island accents offend my delicate ears, let them burn.
>>689586614
Don't forget chummy, we're the second or third biggest economy in the EU. We leave, our business comes with us.
Do you really think companies like BMW will ignore us,their second biggest customer, just cos there's one less star on the flag??
>>689587735
Hillary will be in jail by then.
>>689587493
isis themselves rarely attacks, it's something that people like to overhype. as for putin...he won't do that.
>>689581983
The other thing that must be considered is that if we leave, this country and its policies will be wholly governed by the current government. Do we really trust the government to put this money "saved by leaving the EU" into the NHS that they have been slowly selling off?Do we really want Theresa May writing the "British Bill of Rights"?
Which automatically invalids your entire point.
>>689587813
You realise we're the third biggest economy in the EU simply BECAUSE we're in the EU right?
>>689587249
>in. because i'm not an edgy 12yo.
no you are instead a retarded 5 year old with walkers crisps down his top!
>>689585334
But nigel farage wants me to leave, and he's a cuntier cunt
>>689587244
I'm not voting as it happens. As for the point, I was being polite - that IS the leave campaign's answer on that issue. Should I have just called him a faggot for no reason other than to try to piss him off, what's wrong with a little fucking civility?
>>689588036
does this mean we own them something this is such a moot point?? answer the mans question!!!
>>689587833
She really won't. She's going to be the next President and there is nothing you or even the American voters can do about it.
>>689586204
We've given it a shot bro, just because in yours and my lifetimes its been a short time and if shorter if we count from when our brains reached intellectually maturity. But the fact of the matter is Britain has been trying to change the EU way before you and I can remember and the fact is it continues to go from bad to worse.
Should we not let companies fail then? If a bank goes bankrupt should we bail it out indefinitely and try and change within. If your car breaks down every 5 mins do you try and fix it for 30 years, when is it ok to call it quits?
More on topic, if another currency fails should we pay for it and try and help them improve it so it performs better against sterling?
This who "selfish twat" / morality argument is absolutely moronic.
And to your above points, the EU was not what it is now with the original referendum, I don't know how many years it would take me to recite all the changes to centralize control and make a united states of europe since then.
Safety net? Has the EU bailed us out before? Is it not the other way around. Funding to business, dont make me laugh.
lot of science work??? The UK government has slashed absolutely slashed it's arts and science funding using the go do it in europe excuse. We used to have great funding 30 years ago.
Lastly you mention laws - we managed to pass laws before the EU decided that was there responsibility and we should just comply, im sure we could pass laws after leaving aswell.
>>689586667
You forgot to cite your source there, copy mccopypasta.
A reduced value in the quid will rocket exports through the roof. Any dip in our economy will self heal pretty rapidly by business terms, and when it dies we'll be the ones with the big hat and shiny boots doing the big deals while Jerry and the frog continue wiping the Mediterranean's useless collection of shitty asses for them.
>>689587638
>"Military alliances"
>Will literally make Putin & co. one step closer to the domination of the west by weakening europe.
Fucking idiot.
>>689586166
>>689587576
When we export to the USA and china, we only apply their regulations to the goods we export to them
being in the EU, we apply their regulations to ALL our products, regardless if they are for export or not. Only 324,000 (6%)(see BBC reality check for details) of our business exports to the EU
>>689588206
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say but to expand on my point; we would be a less economically successful country without being in the EU. BMW will not ignore us but we will have less favourable trade with them than we do now due to the smaller market that we will be and the loss of trade tariffs. Why would we purposefully shoot ourselves in the foot? For what gain?
>>689587560
I remember that speech. How times change... back then they just made a mockery of him but as of late Juncker probably lies awake all night stabbing voodoo doll of Nigel
>>689588283
At such times, the right sort of person always emerges.
>>689588158
Yeh but to be fair, he's a scoundrel and a bit more of a laugh. He might be off his head a bit, but I like the guy. Cameron never made me crack a smile.
>>689588397
>>689588280
>>689587440
This is bullshit. Canada doesn't have free movement
>>689588388
>>689587440
see this, voting out will do nothing.
>>689587157
Yep. No agreement there from me. Wales wants independence, and Cornwall just somewhere nice to go in the summer, so loss either way.
Honestly nothing's gonna change no matter what the outcome.
>>689581983
OUT
There is a reason why people say, "this country used to be great"
back when it stood on its own two feet, made its own things, used its own resources, and had a better people.
since europe, all mines and 90% of its factorys are gone, its culture has been destroyed, and its people have no common goal or respect
europe was a disaster
>>689587813
You clearly don't understand the basic economic argument to this. If we vote leave, our economy immediately shrinks. Potentially by a huge amount. Suddenly the UK isn't worth the effort for the EU businesses who CAN (not necessarily will) go elsewhere in the EU because those countries are still easy to export to. We'll still have a trade deal, but to think our economy will even be the same strength as it is now, let alone stronger, for the foreseeable future is complete fantasy. We won't be dictating any terms.
>>689588584
Interesting point, I'll read up. Good work fella.
Voting In.
>>689588388
Not hard to find recent changes in exchange rates mate. We're down against the Eruo 1% in the last 24 hours alone. And yes you're right but we already have a trade deficit, how will increasing the imbalance of payments benefit us?
>>689588283
doesnt matter, once obama leaves america is going to hell
>>689581983
Doesn't matter. You faggots elected a raghead. You're fucked no matter what.
>>689588659
Nice argument, faggot.
>>689588680
Notice the paranthesis
>>689588616
Assuming you're the same person, we clearly disagree on the EU. On Clinton however.... Still can't see it happening though. She'll be President and she'll be a disaster.
>>689588996
Just the typical behaviour of an out voter, its nothing new.
>>689588989
>implying the Mayor of London has any actual power
>>689588368
>Turkey
>Safe
>>689583801
you do elect MEPs
>>689588866
this
the EU is a fucking corrupt empire we must leave to be free from all the bullshit that the EU gives us!
>>689583801
Pretty sure we don't elect the house of lords. Correct me if I'm wrong though
>>689588872
The EU has come to the brink of collapse multiple times. It's handled each and every crisis in the worst way possible. There are more bailouts down the line. With us out of the EU, the EU will undoubtedly collapse very soon. If we stay in the EU, it'll collapse some years down the road. It's a choice between a swift, sharp shock to stabilize ourselves, or something far worse down the line. The lies that REMAIN are peddling that it's a choice been stability and certainty and instability and uncerainty is horseshit. The EU is unstable and uncertain as fuck.
>>689588872
It doesn't shrink automatically, I thin you're a bit confused. There will be uncertainty for sure - slight uncertainty just after the result and some more after the two years of stagnant negotiation ends. But after those two years we can actually reap the rewards of our flourishing economy, paticularly from the financial markets (YES BELIEVE IT OR NOT BRITISH PEOPLE THERE ARE GOOD THINGS ABOUT OUR COUNTRY).
>>689589259
MEPs can't do shit.
They have as much power and the House of Lords. They can argue and slow shit down, but if the bureaucrats want something made law, it will be made law.
And we don't elect the bureaucrats.
>>689583181
underrated post
>>689588989
Yaaayyyy, an amerifag comes in with no knowledge whatsoever. Khan's the mayor of London, not the prime minister, fuckwit.
On topic, I'm voting out.
>>689589202
turkey is not at war
>>689581983
Out
We need to get out of Europe. Too many richfags prosper out of the EU gravy train. Too many law passed in the UK come directly from the EU, and everyone wonders why westminster is out of touch with the rest of the country.
Take our government back... NOW.
Why are British people so fucking anti-British.
> That feel when it's literally just uneducated shitmunchers with no social standing that want to leave the EU.
>>689589206
>>689588607
are you stupid the trade tariffs make it harder to sell to us??? the would sell more if they could eu juts doesn't let them are you retarded??
>>689581983
polls show:
- well educated want to remain.
- poorly educated want to leave
"muh immigration"
In.
Because I'm never going to do anything that Boris says we should.
>>689588331
yeah, we've been trying to change it, and like i said, we've been on the winning side of changes way more than the losing side. i also said that there was a vote in the 80's somewhere in this thread, but we stayed; what does that say?
if a bank goes bankrupt, you've gotta bail it. otherwise you're doing paperwork for a very very long time and ruining customers lives. and the eu doesn't break down every five minutes, it has one of the largest gdps in the world.
no but i still want to trade with these countries.
morality argument isn't entirely moronic, it's not great but remember that there's more than us. we should think of the bigger picture more often than we do.
why do you think we held a referendum? for the fun of it? there were problems (and there still are) but we stayed in. we had a chance, we didn't take it, let's see what happens this time.
funding to our expenditure is one of the reasons why were in. and hey, we dont spend as much as france or germany does. oh, and the rebate. gotta remember thatchers rebate.
like a lot of scientist have come forward on this topic. there is literally a twitter for it right now.
yeah, we could pass our own laws...and have the human rights bill removed by cameron. that would be nice...
>>689589664
> People who want to leave are in dead-end jobs and bitter because they made poor life choices.
>>689588866
This country used to be great when our empire covered most of the world, had the best navy in the world, and wasn't America's little bitch.
Leaving the EU isn't going to change any of that.
>>689588996
What arguments are there against "in" and "nice argument, faggot?" They didn't make any arguments to be countered. Stop being a dipshit.
>>689589547
Mayor of London was elected...
LEAVE
And we need to leave NATO and the UN. We give them shitloads of money, and we don;t get anything back.
>>689589418
So either way your argument fails. If the EU does completely fail due to us leaving we won't be able to trade with them in any case. The EU has terribly mismanaged various mostly financial crises, but noone can deny that it has done a lot of good as well in terms of regional integration, cultural development and protection, environmental issues etc.
>>689589621
only the ones that want to stay in the EU are!
>>689589621
Their teenage years are spent on the internet soaking up ill informed left-wing opinions. once they reach university their professors instil further self-hatred into them and there is your answer.
>>689589617
Give me 2 examples.
>>689589707
Still don't really know what your point is here but yes higher tariffs are bad for trade
>>689589664
Logical fallacy.
>>689589438
The pound is already dropping. What do you mean uncertainty? This is real. It's happening now.
>>689589953
>If you want to leave your racist
>If you want to stay you're sucking on Merkel's cunt lips
>>689590041
If it's so logical, explain what my error is.
Otherwise, you're just furthering my point.
>>689589664
>the people who work the jobs affected most by the surplus of labour created by free movement of people throughout europe are the ones most anti-europe
>the people who've had their communities drastically changed by influx of immigrants
COLOUR ME SURPRISE, YOU MIDDLE CLASS, WAITROSE FELLATING CUNT.
>>689590041
im for in and that isn't a decent argument. funily enough, that's a fallacy: the fallacy fallacy.
>>689590012
again you are stupid there should be no tariffs trade is better with competition clearly you don't know how business works
>>689590100
I agree with you. By uncertainty he meant the uncertainty of the continued high value of the currency. High uncertainty = higher risk to invest in = lower growth
>>689590127
>If you want to leave your racist
how dose that make you racist?
>>689590298
And that is a fallacy fallacy fallacy my friend
>>689589982
Too bad there's only around 2 million lefties in Britain...did you not see the results of the last election?
>>689590329
You've just argued my point for me. If we left the EU there would be higher tariffs on trade with our existing EU trade deals as they are provided to EU member states only. We would lose out.
Who said we can't negotiate trade deals with the EU if we leave, like Norway?
>>689589740
Yeah, and polls were right about the last general election, weren't they?
>Polls are always wrong, because they are almost always either:
Driven by an agenda.
Sourced from an unrepresentative sample.
>>689590398
>Taking me seriously.
>>689588650
He did make me laugh when he was in that plane crash. Best thing he ever did
>>689588989
And who would that be??
Are you confusing mayoral elections with general elections?
I think you might be in the wrong thread. There's bound to be a dick rate thread somewhere, go join that, you might be voted the winner.
>>689589984
Two examples of the rich prospering by the EU: SportsDirect hire almost exclusively Polish people, who there are a lot of and who will take any working creations for any amount of pay. This allows them to use 0 hour contracts. The scarcity of jobs is literally a product of the EU. Second: the political, bureaucratic elite of the EU, who get exorbitant pay for pencil pushing.
>>689589984
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/corrupt-european-countries-costing-eu-nearly-800bn-a-year-says-study-a6944436.html
>>689590502
You could give a similar scale for the numbers of internet lefties but they still shout and shriek the loudest.
>>689590545
We will be able to, but why would they be favourable trade deals compared to what we have now? We will be a smaller economy with a smaller economy if we leave.
Most remainers would vote for Bernie Sanders. Need I say more.
>>689590461
fuck, all of these fallacies. how do you counter this?
>>689584806
>But. Most importantly I want Democracy.
Current UK govt voted for by 36%. It's laws can be amended or blocked by unelected peers sitting by virtue of their ancestors seizing common land.
>>689590586
>not awersering my question
LEAVE
>>689590350
Right. I would pick him on on two years as well but I'm tired of this whole fucking debate to be honest. Remain have done nowhere near enough to win this and I think we'll leave.
>>689590513
except they would try and then BMW and other companies would say yeah no please change that shit
>>689590513
The EU is about to crumble. We should get out before Greece and Spain drag us all down.
>inb4 muh sterling currency the money markets have little to do with general business success.
Lets put it another way.
If the vote was to *join* the EU. With Greece needing bailouts, millions of refuges coming in from Syria, ex-soviet countries queuing up to join...
Would you vote Join or Stay Out?
>>689586667
Rip a bandaid off now or let the wound fester later on.
>>689590824
>we should replace a system i feel isn't quite democratic enough with a system by far less democratic
????
Why does the EU exist anyway?
>>689581983
Let's make Britain great again.
Out
>>689590824
House of Lords can not block or amend a law without the Common's consent.
They can offer advice or delay a law, but the Commons can force shit through if the Lords are cunts.
>>689590872
Unfortunately I agree. The fact the +55 are four times likely to vote leave doesn't help as young voters are so apathetic. Can hardly blame them, this referendum was a complete shamble from both sides. I can't think of a single valid point from either sides that was elaborated on in the live debates. Just typical Britsh finger pointing.
>>689590250
I'm sorry you missed the gentrification bus, Dave.
If you didn't piss away your chance of becoming something in life, and hadn't stagnated with a job that someone fresh off the boat could replace, maybe I'd actually feel sorry for you.
> Hating on the middle class
> Not aspiring to join it
Immigration didn't raise the price of quinoa to the point that you can't afford it.
You'll still be in this situation without them.
>>689591090
Zionist plot to control Europe. I'm not even kidding do your own research, don't take my word for it.
>>689590989
I heard this analogy last week. It's a brilliant way of putting it.
Vote out
>>689591090
First an economic experiment.
Now it is a political machine that practically resembles a nation state.
>>689591215
I'm intrigued. Tell me more?
>>689581983
out! out! out!
>>689587440
so if every outcome of leaving still requires free movement across your borders, why even bother leaving?
>>689590907
do you really think a single company can make a whole country change its trade tariff agreements?
>>689591356
Sorry you'll have to find your own way if you want to understand fully. Start with the Rothschild family history.
>>689591215
>>689588715
What? You make fuckall sense
>>689589798
this retard doesn't understand how free trade works
>>689590913
you're right the money markets don't. The main beneficiaries of growing currency values are banks. So you can guess who loses out if our currency rapidly devalues
>>689591186
>all this sneering contempt for the working class
>surprised when they don't support your faggy elitist utopian project
L M F A O
>>689591448
well seeing as we are around 60 percent of their trade yeah i do
>>689588981
If the EU is an after work party the UK is the one getting all the rounds in on a credit card whilst Germany has a sordid orgy in the cupboard with France and its tiny neighbours like those pesky Belgians... and the Med countries get stuck in a lift
>>689591186
Haha I bet you have tons of friends.
>>689590250
Wait, what's wrong with Waitrose? I go there and it's lovely. No scabby poor people, no fat women in yoga pants and slippers, no foreigners. The only bad bit about my local waitrose is that Charlie Dimmock goes there and ihas aged badly.
>>689590657
I've never met a Polish person in Sports Direct.. even in London (& i've been to many sadly)
>>689591161
I know the facts clearly indicate we should stay in, but the Remain campaign have not shouted long or loud enough about them and haven't been aggressive enough to call out the utter bollocks quoted by Leave. Cameron clearly hasn't learnt from the Scottish referendum when he really had to scramble in the last week to gain support.
At least I'm engaged to a French girl. Will move there within a year of a Leave vote. Good luck with your situation.
>>689588866
So do you also want to re-forge an empire on the back of military might and unfair trade practices, while robbing developing countries from their natural resources?
Because that's the only way you will get back to that "greatness".
>>689591611
>L M F A O
>summerfag
Most jobs in UK due to being in eu.
>London is finance centre creating banking jobs
>lots of manufacturing jobs from companies like ford who'd leave the uk for a cheaper country to produce from that is in the EU to reach eu customers.
>loss of jobs.
>EU allows colleges and universities to trave to eu countries to benefit education. As in uni this is valuable to me.
>guranteed equality rights and other misc laws which make life fair. Out of eu were fucked with our government.
However in EU
>pay loads of money for no reason other than to benefit other countries.
>may loose nhs. As a fucktard who usually gets hurt I value dis
>>689591411
Precisely, makes the free movement argument redundant as it won't change no matter what is voted
>>689590657
Also, you're confusing neoliberal politics with the EU... Thomas Piketty wrote about this, look it up.
>>689591782
>At least I'm engaged to a French girl
Has she made you convert to Islam yet?
>>689591734
You haven't been to the Maidstone branch lad....full of them squatting slavs
