>Bouncer let guy in with a gun >Guy shoots 100+ people
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>Bouncer let guy in with a gun
>Guy shoots 100+ people
>Blame leftists and their gun laws
>People blaming islam
>People blaming non-white, non-American terrorists
>Trump has a chance at being president
Are we entering the last few years of America's life? I don't see Americans getting dumber than this.
>>689553931
>last few years
>few years
>years
Lol good one OP
>>689553931
I wonder if the bouncer saw the gun and let him through to get out of being shot.
>>689554198
Either way, the bouncer wasn't doing his fucking job. But nahhhh nah it's the lack of gun's fault.
>>689553931
>Bouncers with guns
>Mass murderer with guns
>Club faggots with guns
Best way to deal with panic and chaos is to have more guns in a dark, enclosed space full of people
>>689553931
Fucking lol, no bouncer would ever carry a gun.
The fucking club owner would rather risk getting his club shot up than having to deal with the economic nightmare of having one of his employees shoot someone.
>>689554467
This is what baffles me most about gun owner logic.
The answer to every single problem is always more guns.
>>689554467
Would you willingly go start shit in a place where you'd get maybe 5 shots off before 30 people pulled their guns too and started shooting back?
>>689553931
/r/equesting the pic saying obama made it so the fags could hide in both bathrooms
Forget who said what..
>>689554590
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction
Instead of Countries and Nukes, think People and Guns.
>>689554749
>before 30 people pulled their guns too and started shooting back?
Yeah, shooting in every possible direction while loud music plays and bright lights flash.
>>689554590
If you try to explain otherwise using examples like Australia before and after, they go full autist and swing insults or retarded examples.
>>689554749
Will you willingly go start shit in a place where you'd maybe get 0 shots off before people pound you to a pulp because no one has guns? Casualties : The person starting shit
Your casualties : 6+
Think, you retard. >>689554590 Raised a good fucking point and you proved it to a fucking T.
>>689554749
And 50 people would've died anyways because of collateral damage, you dumb fuck
>>689554860
Why isn't it "mutually" assured destruction?
> foreignfag here
>>689554860
You probably also believe in social darwinism because it's just applied evolution.
>>689554970
It's not as dark as you'd think in a place like that. Not to mention that it would be pretty fucking clear where the guy shooting at people running away and screaming was.
>>689555103
Either would work I think. I guess mutually implies past tense and since destruction is an ongoing thing and isn't agreed upon between both parties, it's mutual.
>>689555047
Just like what happened in real life?
Bringing this old argument back up, criminals will always be able to get guns regardless of what your shitty little laws say. Now all those people who would be beating you to death are now running from you and your gun in fear because they can't fight you at all.
>>689555103
Semantics in English.
>>689555284
No. I'm for deterrence by way of equal force.
>>689554860
You're fucking hilarious.
Your example works in MY favor. Today, almost all countries agree to decrease their nuclear arsenal because one single fuck-up could mean the destruction of the human race.
In the same way, it's more sensible to have less guns on all sides instead of more.
>>689555533
I'd rather 1 in a million lunatics acquire a gun than have 1 million in 1 million lunatics acquire a gun. That's one thing American's don't seem to understand. "People can still get them". People can still always get everything. When they're not as easy to get, they're not as big a danger. "Well yeah building a nuke is illegal but people can still do it." What's the difference between that and what you said other than the size of the threat?
>>689553931
>Are we entering the last few years of America's life? I don't see Americans getting dumber than this.
Eurofag here.
Although the usa still pretends to be a super power, when i read the news and watch tv, i seriously cant help but think, the usa has already collapsed.
Only most of the us people have yet refused to acknowledge.
>>689555697
>I'm for deterrence by way of equal force.
So why not simply lower that force instead of increasing it, while still maintaining a balance? That's actually what's happening right now in the age of nuclear non-proliferation.
I actually agree with that principle, but you are taking it in the wrong direction.
At some point, you simply spiral out of control instead of having an equilibrium.
>>689555758
Funnily enough, decreasing the amount of nukes actually edges them closer and closer to being used, because it disarms MAD.
The less there are, the less damage they cause. The less damage they cause, the more likely they are to be used more liberally.
If shooting a nuke at Russia would result in being fucking obliterated, nobody would do it.
If it resulted in having maybe one city destroyed, it's now worth it in order to starve them of whatever resource was in that city.
Get it?
>>689555314
>People running and screaming
>Alcohol consumed
>Flashing lights
>Mass murderer on the loose, Muslim sand nigger
>Faggots pulling out their guns from their open carry holster
>Starts shooting
>Starts shooting everyone who's brown in the club
>Every faggot thinks they're a hero, firing their p226 and glocks
>Celebrate freedom in 'Murica
This is clearly the solution guys.
>>689555972
See I feel really bad that America's such a shithole because my closest friends are American and refuse to move because of family and stuff. Wages/salaries, lack of gun laws, Trump, etc.
>>689555342
Hmm, so once we're destroyed it would be mutually assured destruction?
>>689555697
I guessed as much, but which?
>>689556357
Yeah that's right.
>>689555972
Still better than 80% of Europe. You forget that the US is huge. Each region deals with their own problems separately, which is why the country as a whole will probably never agree on anything ever
>>689555758
>almost all countries
no, only the pussy countries
do you think the US will ever give up nukes?
fuck no
>>689555533
So why is America the capital of mass murder shootings? Why isn't this commonplace everywhere?
>>689556080
You have no fucking idea.
Today, nuking the enemies top 10-20 major cities would result in the complete collapse of that nations society and political leadership.
That is all the damage you need to do in order to win a war.
There is no reason to have tens of thousands of nukes. It's completely overkill.
And even that aside, no country would ever risk having their vapital hit by a nuke. Nothing would be worth that. And that is why we have non-proliferation.
Nuclear war was much more likely during the cold war when all sides had way more nukes than now. Your little theory doesn't even hold by your own standards
>>689556595
it isn't
do some fucking research
it just gets more news
>>689555898
Once again, MAD. If there is an absolute guarantee that you will not be able to accomplish your objective because of the response to your attempt, you won't do it at all. This could apply to any scale, be it billions of people or two men with pistols.
>>689556046
see >>689556080
>>689556195
Would definitely fucking deter the next muslim if the result was getting every muslim in the crowd shot to death.
>>689556530
We already dismantled most of them...
>>689554590
FBI stats don't lie. An active shooter killed by cops averages 11 kills. One killed by concealed carry permit citizen averages 2 kills. You're a dumb hippy, now go recycle your sandals and shut the fuck up.
>>689556700
just because we made better ones
>>689556671
Give me 3 recent mass shootings in EU and Asia. Can you hamburgers do it?
>>689556617
The point was BECAUSE it is complete overkill, you simpleton. You won't use them because you CAN'T use them, since doing so ensures that you both die.
>>689553931
>terrorist gets gun
>nra has been fighting for every one to get a gun
>even terrorists
>goes and kills a lot of people
> like a small pistol a bouncer had would have made a difference m8
>>689556802
no, because it doesn't get news coverage
>>689556881
Explain yourself
>>689556673
Your ridiculous MAD analogy has already been disproven multiple times here, but even that aside:
What even makes you think that MAD applies to individual human beings?
Humans are not countries. You have some drugged up idiot with an assault rifle? He doesn't give a shit about MAD.
>>689556864
I think the real reason to have nukes (and guns) is for when those fucking aliens arrive
the more we have, the better
GO TEAM EARTH!
>>689554318
Isn't guns legal in USA, the bouncer can't take the guys freedom from him
>>689556802
>inb4 burger completely dodges the question
>>689556881
I pulled the picture browsing through #wow while waiting for Blizzard to finish updating Starcraft 2. Just something to prove how low Americans have fallen
>>689553931
Don't say you can't see Uh-mericans getting stupider than this.
You have no idea what we're capable of. We can get SO much stupider.
>>689554749
so relaxing the door policy and let cub goers attend armed is you answer? I can smell your autism from here.
>>689556999
>disproven
you're stupid
>drugged up idiot with an assault rifle
he won't be able to hit much
quit being so MAD about not understanding MAD
>>689555314
You can't be this retarded and still capable of working a computer
Life is not a video game, the bad guys don't have red names above their heads. You hear shots, whip out your gun, see another guy with a gun and take him down...Well done, you've just blown away a civilian, another wannabe hero, and unfortunately a third civilian saw you do it and he's thinking "I'm going to be a hero" and takes aim at your head
This is ultimately the problem with Americans - guns give you an unwarranted sense of confidence and ability which you do not have. You have watched too many films, played too many games, and have convinced yourself that you could totally do that too.
>>689556886
Are you fucking serious? A guy got beat in Australia and it made the fucking news. Either do the fucking research or kill yourself.
>>689556864
You are the fucking simpleton.
There is a point where an even larger nuclear arsenal does not add any more to the threat of being hit by it.
You think it matters whether you are hit by 1000 or 10.000 nukes? Or 100.000?
If you're hit by 100 nukes, your country ceases to exist. There is no point in having an arsenal beyond that, both for intimidation and actual practicality.
>>689556999
It doesn't matter that they ignore it, what matters is that they will die immediately as a result of their actions, stopping the rampage then and there.
It also deters all of the NOT drugged up boozehounds, since they actually understand what happens when someone does draw a gun.
>>689553931
HURR DURR
MY TRIBE
YOUR TRIBE
it must be easy living in your retarded little world, i envy you OP
>>689557144
I see you are out of arguments.
Thanks for giving up while you still could.
>>689555972
lol America will always be better than any of your european shit tier countries. How's the cultural destruction over there going for you.
>>689557207
I didn't hear about it
and I have no reason to do the research
>>689557343
not the guy you were talking to
I just think you're stupid
>>689557322
Hmm yes I see your point has been proven and I can find 0 flaws. Can you just tell me what your point was?
Why wouldn't the bouncer be able to have a gun from a legal standpoint? This meme is retarded
>>689557429
So why should >>689556595 ? Why should anyone do research? All that does is prove you wrong, right? So why request anon do research when you refuse to? Fuck me, every time an American talks, it only makes them look fucking worse. Do the research so you don't look like a retard.
>>689557646
Because Americans refusing to give up guns. They'll be willing to make up bullshit to prove that lack of guns would be "Bad" and then you have people eating that shit up.
>>689553931
>mfw America is as great as it's always been
>mfw the whole world scolds us for letting a handful of fags die
>mfw we still couldn't care less about your europinions
>>689557237
>Implying that it's meant for only a single country
MAD was meant to stop EVERYONE ON THE PLANET WHO OWNS NUKES from using them. If a single country shot one off, they, and all of their friends, and everyone else, gets blown to hell. Nobody wants that short of doomsday cults, which is why it works.
>>689556994
NRA has been preventing any anti gun legislation even if it was targeted to Only terrorists or Criminals, and the Bouncer would probably have a 9mm or .45 handgun and not a proper rifle like the terrorists had during the shooting, and that hand gun probably would have not made a difference in the out come of 49 fags dead.
>>689557729
Meant to reply to >>689557638
>>689553931
>>689554467
>>689554590
>>689555758
>>689555898
>>689556195
>>689556881
Oh, idk, maybe if everyone had a gun, those 100+ people that were shot can fuck up the terrorist a lot worse than you think?
>>689556999
trips of truth
>>689557832
>A hand gun will make no difference
Would have killed him with a few shots to the head... Or disarmed him with several shots to the arm
>>689553931
Chill Mohammed
>>689557144
MAD only applies if there is a fear of retaliation
In this scenario, such fear was obviously not present, he didn't try to escape, he didn't surrender, he knew exactly what the outcome would be *and did it anyway*
how long does it take you to unholster your weapon, target acquire, aim and fire in the middle of nightclub full of 100+ people? Probably more time than it would take for them to unload their entire goddamn magazine into the crowd.
The solution isn't throwing more guns at the problem, you fucking idiot. It's perhaps not having such blatant disregard for what level of weaponry a civilian should be able to just fucking buy on a whim.
>>689557389
>77% White
Nigguh Argentina is White than the USA. How's it feel to be the mutant offspring of Mexico and Africa?
>inb4 "Taken over by Muslims"
Muslims make up 5% of people here.
>>689557832
So you are saying a pistol couldnt stop one guy because rifle trumps pistol? Was he wearing body armor? I dont understand your reasoning behind that. Also yeah the nra stops that legislation, its their job.
>>689555103
"mutually" assured destruction would be "destruction assured by both parties"
"mutual" assured destruction is "assured destruction of both parties"
not semantics at all, but most white English speakers are approaching the same level of retardation as our spic and nigger brethren, so don't be surprised when like 40 people tell me I'm wrong
>>689557646
I didn't request anon do research
>>689557913
Life isn't a video game
>>689557913
so all those one hundred people start shooting at the terrorist, and then hit other people and the whole situation goes haywire and possibly more deaths then the terrorist had, because you have to remember that these woulb be trigger happy fags shooting wildly.
>>689554198
are bouncers supposed to cavity search people?
>>689557039
Gun free zones exist in the united states, dumbshit.
>>689558007
This
>>689557975
but the bouncer whould have been to focused on people trying to get in and then the terrorist just walks up shooting him with him not noticing him and then the terriorist walks in to the bar.
>>689557832
it's not a fucking card game, retard
the weapon your opponent has doesn't affect the effectiveness of your weapon
>>689558202
>the bouncer would focus on not letting people with guns into the bar than the several hundred gun shots going off inside the bar
No...
>>689558098
Seriously? People take classes to learn how to use a weapon in this scenario.
As a bouncer, I don't want bouncers to have guns. Half of us are retards whose list of skills consists entirely of being fat.
>>689553931
Trump was always going to win.
>>689558075
See >>689556671
>do some fucking research
>>689558140
only ur mom
>>689558254
top kek. this basically.
it's not they're redcoat faggots from the 1700's who play turn based warfare irl.
>>689558342
And how, pray tell, are any of the mass shootings directly related to Obama?
>inb4 racist remark
>inb4 answer that doesn't make sense
>inb4 answer that doesn't answer the question
>>689558007
he wouldn't have fear of death, but probably fear of failing
he would have only killed a few, instead of 100
I can unholster and hit center mass at 15 yards in about the same time I could get 5 targets down with an AR-15
so saving 95 people
>>689554860
This only works if all the players care about surviving more than killing. The scary part of, say, N. Korea getting a nuke is that they might actually use it, consequences be dammed.
On the whole, a large government probably isn't suicidal; how much easier to find a single person who wanted to kill more than they want to live? Those are the people that shoot up a public place.
>>689554749
wtf kinda barbaric shit is that?
>>689558554
You wont like the answer
>MK Ultra
>>689556080
People often act contrary to their long term interests, due to short term temptations. The only reason this has any chance of working is ideal actors and distribution of responsibility.
When you have an executive leader with a team of advisors (ideally, ones chosen from among the population for their good sense), each one raises the chance that your country will behave in it's long term best interest. That's because any one of them can notice their making a bad choice and raise a concern. Just the act of verbalizing a decision creates a moment of reflection that can prevent a hasty mistake. Add to that the various levels of soldier responsible for mechanically executing an action to fire, who can refuse an order that seems absurd or suicidal. This is why Mutually Assured Destruction can be an effective deterrent on a global stage.
Assuming the same factors would prevail in the general population is frighteningly naive. There's no filtering process to prevent people with poor judgement from getting guns. There's no need for a moment of deliberation before an armed individual makes the choice to fire. There's no possibility for intervention by an outsider noticing poor reasoning before the action is carried out. And that's just talking about irrationally aggressive gun use.
Mutually Assured Destruction is an incredibly dangerous prevention strategy. It's wagering the fate of humanity on a cross between chicken and a starring contest. If you as an individual gun owner in a public space believe someone else is going to open fire, you're immediately confronted with the incentive to draw. Right or wrong, other gun owners seeing you draw (but not necessarily seeing the threat you saw) now must make the same decision. Now rather than one reasonable individual in a group preventing an unwise choice in the case of missile attacks; in an armed crowd it only takes a single unwise individual to trigger a gun battle.
>>689553931
ameirca is the only country that rationalises that gun violence epidemic should be treated with more guns.
you know profits for gun companies go vertical after these mass murders, with 43,000 gun deaths a year profits are skyrocketing im sure.
also enjoy gradually eating yourselves to death, drinking poisonous water and going to private prisons you loudmouth shithole joke of a country
>>689558350
that wasn't me, that was anon
There's a difference between gun control and banning guns. Obviously bouncer should be allowed guns, but this guy was on a watch list and still allowed to buy guns freely. Islam isn't innocent either. A religion about a warmongering child rapist has huge problems that pc fucktards won't debate.
>>689558641
>inb4 answer that doesn't make sense
Called it. This isn't Captain America, anon.
>>689556673
>if the result was getting every muslim in the crowd shot to death.
so one muslim dying along with 100 non muslims would deter the muslims from further targeting gays?
>>689558144
I never understood this; aren't you supposed to be a country?
Like what the fuck prevents me from buying a tool used for killing human beings (guns - aka second amendment protectors) in one state and then traveling to a "gun free zone".
>>689558572
Fear of failing what? Shooting people? Even in your ridiculous scenario he still bags 5 people, not a failure.
You're right your stats at a shooting range totally apply in a packed nightclub setting
You would have shot an innocent bystander and then been shot yourself, probably by another "Hero" such as yourself
>>689558076
I've seen so many freshly deployed fuck tards shit their pants after the first "zing" of bullets come their way. Nope, this isn't fucking call of duty. Get the fuck down
No amount of training and mental gymnastics will prepare you when bullets are zinging past your head. I love when basement dwellers and armchair navy seals talk about firefights
>>689558701
also one of the few countries with the ability to bear arms against their government if need be.
you faggots don't seem to understand that freedom != safety and that many americans favor freedom over safety.
>>689556080
nukes will never be used again
>>689558789
Gun free zones are private property, fucktardo, I can keep you from coming into my house if you have a gun. Nothing's stopping me from doing so
>>689558789
>United states
Nah, not a country. Think /pol/. You have 52 manchildren who think they're top shit. The president's moot.
>>689553931
How is it not the fault of all those things
>>689557832
you're fucking retarded. one guy with hundreds of targets can easily be taken out while he is distracted by his target rich environment. anyone with a pocket knife and a pair of balls could have charged him while he was reloading. 3 people with no weapons could have charged him at the same time and probably taken him down without them all dying.
the reason these guys succeed is because almost no one thinks about fighting back, they all curl up and wait for help. the reason gun people will never give up the guns is because they know that help never gets there in time.
>>689558729
Yeah thats kinda why i prefaced it with youre not gonna like it.
But the project is real anon, and we have seen the activation of it in the past 8 years. Obama told the un that before he left guns in America would be no more.
We have far less guns in Canada and guess what, less people get shot.
>>689558955
But I can just kill you and come in anyway, protecting my right to be free and resist the governing body (in this case you).
>>689554749
Do you think the people that go out to mass shootings care about being killed? They know that they're dead as soon as they start shooting it will make no difference.
>>689559011
yep. these same pussies are the same ones who want to get rid of your gun rights and leave their and your "safety" in the hands of the government.
>>689558572
> I can unholster and hit center mass at 15 yards in about the same time I could get 5 targets down with an AR-15
Can you do it at a moments notice without any hesitation? Can you do it in the dark? In strobe lights? Can you identify a suicide vest in sight? Could you visually identify a dead man's switch? Could you find a clear shot among the chaos? Could you do all of the above without getting shot yourself?
No you can't.
>>689558887
>implications
>it is better to have a man shoot 100 innocent people unhindered than for him to be exterminated after shooting only 5
libcunts everybody
>>689553931
>bouncerror let him in
He snuck in the back. It's been confirmed. Survivors even confirmed he knew the place. Queens Confirmed he socked Dick as well.
>>689559039
>we have far less freedom in canada and guess what, we are less free.
>>689553931
Bouncer isn't that for that reason. he's there to break up first fights.
I'm pro gun, but would never let a bouncer have a gun that's just stupid.
>>689558972
Because it was the bouncer who let him in, it was an American who approved allowing guns be held by the general public, it was probably an American who sold it to him, and it was an American customs officer who let him into America. How did an Arab thousands of miles away allow him to do it? Do that to an Australian and what will he do? Run up to someone and sock them in the head. 1 guy put in hospital as opposed to 50+ in hospital and 50 flat dead.
>>689558887
>Fear of failing what? Shooting people? Even in your ridiculous scenario he still bags 5 people, not a failure.
yes. He wanted to kill a lot of fags, not just a few
>You're right your stats at a shooting range totally apply in a packed nightclub setting
It's called stress training. You pay an instructer to make some crazy scenario and constantly yell at you and there are a lot of distractions and friendly targets. Obviously, not many people do this, but some do and more should.
>You would have shot an innocent bystander and then been shot yourself, probably by another "Hero" such as yourself
possibly, but still there would be a far smaller number of casualties
>>689559148
>Protect my right to be free and resist governing body, in this case you
Lolno, it's my property, as long as I pay taxes for it, I have every right to it, and if you do shoot me, you will not be within your rights as I am presenting no threat to you, and I am not a governing body, so have fun going against one of the largest and most technologically advanced militaries in the world.
>>689559294
Bouncers are just paid thugs. I wouldn't even give them a stick
>>689558922
you lost your democracy in the 60's shit head, you are about half a century too late for that noble sounding lie.
now you are a corporation, the richest nation in the history of the world that cant provide decent public transportation, safe environments for kids to go to schools, decent schools or even safe drinking water.
>>689559206
>Can you do it at a moments notice without any hesitation? Can you do it in the dark? In strobe lights? Can you identify a suicide vest in sight? Could you visually identify a dead man's switch? Could you find a clear shot among the chaos? Could you do all of the above without getting shot yourself?
and add to that
>while drunk
>while high
>>689558908
So disarming them is a better solution?
>>689559039
and a lot less PEOPLE
>>689558955
>I can keep you from coming into my house if you have a gun.
no you cant
>>689559148
That's not a right...
>>689559206
no, yes, yes, no, no, yes, maybe
there would still be fewer casualties
>>689559499
>Redneck
Vs
>>689558908
>Vet
So who's right?
>>689553931
2nd amendment = protection from govt
All these mass shootings are irrelevant to the main point of why people have guns. And if you can't see why the people need to be armed, you need to think about what happens when the govt has no fear of its people. They can pass any law they want, they can label you as a "terrorist" if your ideology doesn't match theirs, and any number of things that governments have done in the past to abuse their power. I really don't understand why people are so willing to trust others to rule over them unchecked. Humanity isn't "evolving" past being an asshole/power hungry. We have seen the same story OVER and OVER again. Oh and as far as other countries not being armed and having an honest government... America is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that ensures our allied governments toe the line. So all you euro fags enjoy the protection of the US military, and living in a gun free zone; but understand this, if America isn't around, y'all are fuuuckkkked.
>>689559574
Terrible bait. I can keep you from coming into my house for whatever reason i see fit unless you're law enforcement with probable cause or a warrant to be there.
>>689559706
>"vet"
>>689559478
having the means to stand up and standing up are two different things. we still have the means.
people don't care enough to stand up. they haven't been inconvenienced enough.
again, freedom != safety
never has and never will.
>>689559417
But what stops me from shooting you and then shooting everyone inside? Retard logic with gun free zones since everyone left their gun at home
>>689559417
Yea, but I can buy sniper rifles of freedom to shoot you from afar with a silencer before I come in and set the scene up to look like you were presenting a threat and bribe the police with the stuff I stole from your home and walk into your now unprotected gun free zone with my gun zone guns.
>>689558581
North Korea (possibly) already has them. However, they still would like to keep existing, and they know that nobody else on the planet actually likes them. They also know that they spend all of their money on weapons, and that their food comes from other countries, funnily enough ones they claim to hate. Best Korea is full of hot air, and just like to make themselves seem important because they are so small and powerless. But they keep their regime in power because of this, and that's what really matters to them.
>>689558696
You make a fair point. Finally, someone, who does.
If not MAD, then what actually viable response is there? Removing the guns just makes it worse, giving more guns does the same. What is there to do?
>>689559553
What's your point? If you look up murders per 100 in both countries, you'll see America's is higher. Just a guess. An educated guess. It's now "oh we have 3 people and only 1 person was killed, we're better", it's "we have 30,000,000 and only 2 were killed as opposed to your 30,000,000 and 200,000 died"
>>689557007
Ayyy lmaos aside I genuinely think the only viable use for nukes in the modern era is for taking out asteroids and other objects in space.
>blaming the people responsible
>dumb
I know this is bait, but still.
>>689559706
its not a vs
theyre complimentary posts arguing the same sentiment
learn to read
>>689559744
but youre imagining an incredibly controlled and unrealistic scenario
if a guy with a rifle is at your door all he has to do is open the door and walk in
no amount of laws or governing bodies is going to change that
youre living in a fantasy world and think that imaginary institutions are real
>>689559796
And this is why I have a problem with gun free zones.
>>689559799
Shit bait kid.
>>689559154
No, I don't think that. I do think that if they know without a doubt they won't actually succeed, they won't try. And that if they say fuck it and try anyway, they will fail for sure, every time.
>>689553931
>>689554198
>>689554318
The bouncer was killed you fucking mongs
>>689559898
Quoted the wrong post
>>689559731
>When the govt has no fear of its people
Look at the countries with gun laws in place. The government totally came in and just wiped out everyone who opposed them. I mean look at Australia. I tried voting against Abbott and they came in and killed my family
/sarcasm
Guessing you're a very proud and patriotic Amerifat? You seem to think no guns = no weapons whatsoever. Every country has an army. Maybe not as sizable as yours but there are still armies. We're not sitting ducks waiting for the inevitable 2 people with guns to wipe us out. Also your point doesn't make fucking sense. "The general public have guns to protect other countries"?
>>689560074
Yes, I can use bait too. Very effective when you have a sniper rifle made to kill humans in order to remain free AND bait to make them go somewhere the wind will not affect the shot.
>>689559794
keep telling yourself that
>>689560073
>Open the door and walk in
Lol, my doors are locked, not only that, I own several fully automatic assault rifles, and me and my family are more than ready to defend our property until government assistance arrives.
>>689556195
>>Starts shooting everyone who's brown in the club
Sees this as a problem
>>689560214
Ebin meme
>>689558955
Not all of them are, fucknozzle. In many states one cant carry a gun anywhere.
>>689560231
good god you are delusional
what about a window? a backdoor? what about knocking first and shooting you when you open it?
>inb4 youre an incredibly paranoid person that guards against all of those things
if you are, you sure aint livin
>>689558972
What could the gun do without someone using it?
>>689560333
>Needs citation.
>>689560214
>>689560311
haha epic meme anon! your point was so good I have no idea how to retaliate so it's a meme :D
>>689559731
You rednecks and your AR-15s won't do shit against government military with drones, tanks, and missiles. You're reading a fucking law made in the 1700's when muskets and horses were used to fight wars.
>But that's what made 'Murica great
Keep dreaming
>>689560433
Sweet bait!
>>689559678
>there would still be fewer casualties
In the one hypothetical scenario you present, possibly.
In general, certainly not.
There was a armed security gaurd who returned fire.
What more do people want?
>more guns
>>689560411
But anon, I am! I keep all those locked and would be able to hear someone entering, the best burglar deterrent, is the sound of a shotgun being pumped.
>>689560231
>Ready to defend property
Oh I love backwater rednecks. Keep collecting those government checks. You can't even compete with Mexicans to get proper jobs
>>689559731
So tell me, how do your guns protect you from a brace of lawyers, judges, and the law?
Oh they don't? Cool, keep talking about your bullshit freedom.
The only true power and freedom in the US comes from wealth.
>>689560231
If I had the gif of the one old man walking up to a receptionist and then pulling a gun out from behind his flowers he was holding and shoots them in the head in less than a second, I'd post it. What then anon? You gonna pull out your heavy as fuck assault rifle from under the desk and shoot him before he shoots you? In that half second? Another Amerifat
>>689554749
>>689555053
>collateral damage
Apparently all 30 people shooting back are shooting grenades.
>>689556802
Paris x3
>>689559855
rock aliens?
>>689560662
>pretending that's an argument
>>689560739
>drunk americans shooting in a dark, crowded space.
>>689560739
Leave him alone. He read "collateral damage" in a buzzfeed article and was dying to use it despite not knowing what that big first word meant.
>>689559852
crazy people don't go to canada, they all come here
>>689560662
>says property
>must be le redneck
>everyone knows le rednecks is dumb
>whats the number for aaa my car's tire needs changed
See how silly making assumptions can be?
>>689560604
asldfkj
you win this round
>>689560662
>Backwater rednecks
Jokes on you, im a Cuban immigrant.
>>689560712
What the fuck? I carry pistols as well, I'd be able to defend myself against a situation like that as well, I keep my assault rifles for home defense you tard, where I'd know if a visitor is unwanted or not.
>>689554590
that's seem be to be the answer YOUR hearing maybe.
>>689560924
I don't understand what your point is
>>689560868
>i have never shot a gun, and i get all my gun information from the media
>>689560961
At least you didn't just go full retard like
>>689559799
So, I still respect you and your viewpoint anon.
>>689560521
I disagree
>>689555047
sure kid. maybe you should think a little first.
>>689560972
>Cuban immigrant
>Shit tier island Mexicans coming in illegally
This is the real problem
ANOTHER SHOOTING IS HAPPENING AT TEXAS! IN ONE WALWART!
GOOD JAB AMERCIA
>>689561052
canada is boring, so you have boring people
boring people don't shoot people
there's just more happening here, good and bad
so you can't say one attribute of canada is causing the lesser violence
>>689560972
>I carry pistols as well, I'd be able to defend myself against a situation like that as well
so is your hand constantly on the trigger and are you constantly aiming at every person that is close to you?
creepy
>>689561103
>I never went to college and I get all my gun information from guns
At least you live in the south, you can have it, thank fuck
>>689560662
>Oh I love backwater rednecks.
As opposed to those midtown rednecks? He's trolling you, Poindexter. No redneck uses the phrase "assault rifle" or waits for gubmint rescue.
>>689560972
What are you defending against that requires assaults rifles? Genuinley curious
>>689560972
>Cuban
Nope, jokes on you actually. I'm white
>>689556700
the difference between 5000 and 500 isn't as much of a jump as 500 and 0.
>>689561103
>i played kain&lynch so i know all about shooting in dark nightclubs
>>689561362
assault rifles
>>689559827
Limiting access to firearms with high rates of fire helps, in that it can limit spree shooting as well as reduce the number of unintended targets. The typical problem with controlling gun access with laws is it only stops people who abide by laws.
Mandatory firearms education in high school would be a valuable step. If we're going to presume gun access in the general population, we should probably make a minimum level of safety a priority (just to cut down on accidental gun injury).
But other than small changes to help mitigate specific issues, there isn't necessarily a "silver bullet". Sometimes social problems are complicated and no sound-bite solution is going to do it. That's a position that's hard to politicize so it rarely gets any play.
>>689561362
feelings of inadequacy
>>689560972
>working at hospital
>sweet old man walks in with flowers
>aww he must be visiting his wife or family
>comes up to counter
>moves other hand towards flowers
>pulls gun out
>moving gun towards me
>finally react
>lift up shirt
>grab gun
>about to pull it out
>shot in the head because all that happened in half a fucking second
>you're dead
What now, retard? Most reaction times are .1 seconds. That's 1/5 of your time gone. Now add you lifting your shirt, grabbing the gun, raising it, aiming it, turning off safety if you're not a retard (but you are so you can check that off the list), and then shooting. That takes way longer than .4s.
>>689561006
>YOUR
Do you really need to emphasize your bad grammar?
>>689561482
Ok. But who? Who is this guy that will come to your house to kill you?
>>689559254
he wasn't the only one who snuck in the back that night
>>689561304
Screenshotting. Thanks for such a fucking retarded comment, anon.
>>689561340
>i make assumptions because i have been told my viewpoints are infallible
Im not even from the south lol. But you are assuming someone who has been trained and has a ccw license wouldnt be able to make the situation better, you are just ignorant mane
>>689560311
>>689560433
I know right! It will be so epic!
Perhaps I'll make the news if I kill enough people!!
Do you think a gay bar would be a nice place to rampage with my freedom spreaders?
I heard of a guy who did it and he became REALLY famous, like an epic "meme" or whatever you called me.
Perhaps I misunderstood the gun laws in the US.
>>689561286
right now?
>>689561286
im not falling for tht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_jdiU47bFA
>>689560479
So you think the government is going to destroy its own country? Did you ever consider the idea that guns can be used to assassinate people? Do not see the American govermnment having trouble defeating a militia in the Middle East ?
>>689561441
>i have never taken a class on proper firearm handling, that means no one has!
>>689561207
haha wow! amazing rebuttal, anon. You got me. You got me good.
>>689561124
Disagree all you want the facts show that most people who carry wouldn't consider engaging in a situation like the one in question and those that would have little chance of success.
Like the armed security guard who tried and failed, and the team of cops after that.
>>689561615
anytime!
>>689560662
Nice bait
>>689561656
>Not understanding my reply was sarcasm
Maybe I should point it out
>>689561590
an assault rifle
>>689560185
I don't think you got my point
>>689561362
Does that make my argument any less valid?
>>689561362
Multiple home intruders.
>>689561309
My argument is still just as valid
>>689561550
I open carry, so take off that time pulling it out, if I didn't kill you, somebody else likely would have.
>>689561656
If you want to further prove the point that gun free zones are completely retarded, go on ahead, try shooting up a gun range.
>>689561720
> I have never taken a class on proper firearm handling, that implies a minimum percentage of a given crowd also hasn't
>>689561668
>>689561286
>>689561688
Literally google it. I just did. Well done, America.
>Pic related.
>>689560868
Hundreds of people don't stand straight up and look around after they hear gun shots. People instinctively hit the deck or go for cover.
Those good citizens with firearms would be firing from cover at the shooter who would would probably be one of the last person standing upright.
Yeah, there might be few friendly fire casualties, but a fraction of what actually did or would happen. I'd take 5 dead or wounded from the shooter and 1 dead or wounded from return gun fire rather than 100 dead or wounded.
inb4, hurr durr but if there were no guns at all...
There will ALWAYS be guns, you just won't have one to defend yourself with.
>>689559035
and you know this how?
>in b4 crazy conspiracy blog
>>689561734
People who carry guns should have to get a lot more training. Cops especially.
I was trained by a guy that trains police, and he told me the amount of training they currently require and it was retardedly light. I can't remember what it was but it's less than hobby shooting
In countries that previously had more lenient gun laws, that have now implemented stricter controls, statistically what were the results on gun violence deaths?
Also, which of those governments became totalitarian regimes that weren't before the implementation of stricter gun controls?
>>689561883
>My argument is still just as valid
no its not
>>689561801
Perhaps I should point at you with my liberty pipe xDD
It only costs, like, two weeks worth of my pay. Perhaps I should get a bigger one to make up for my lack of upper body strength in case I ever have to protect my freedom. But that one will require a license.
Luckily the criminal gangs are equipped with bigger guns since they need to have a way to fight the "land of the free blasters" that the common public has, so I can probably buy my awesome toy there!
Thanks stranger!
>>689561883
>Multiple home invaders
>Cuban immigrant
HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
The only thing you'll defend against are unpaid bills coming from the mail
By "let him in" you mean he shot the bouncer and an off duty cop to get in?
>>689561519
Alright. That's sound.
However, all this means is that the problem isn't guns at all, but our society.
What would you propose to fix the problem?
>>689555898
>When they're not as easy to get, they're not as big a danger.
>implying the whole "not as easy to get" approach works with mudslime jihadist kebab
>implying france isn't the perfect example of someone getting rifles into the country, no matter how tight the gun laws are in that particular country
>>689561883
I thought the US was a first world country. Why the fuck are there multiple people breaking into your house?
>>689562110
Awesome way to not contribute to the discussion.
>>689562029
>People instinctively hit the deck or go for cover.
more like they instinctively stand still like deer in the headlights because they've never really heard a gunshot before and dont know wtf is going on
>>689561956
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiRwJOQh6jNAhUIHD4KHUD3AWUQqQIIHTAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmynews4.com%2Fnews%2Fnation-world%2Famarillo-texas-police-on-scene-of-active-shooting-possible-hostage-situation&usg=AFQjCNHC09VVK9_CuIjNIMKWr98us1CjuA&bvm=bv.124272578,d.cWw
link for the lazy
>>689562029
>who would would probably be one of the last person standing upright.
Real life shooters don't have video game AI.
>>689562029
Here's another argument though, if someone with a hand gun fires somewhere from within a crowd.
The people who are unarmed drop to the floor, now there are 15 people standing upright with handguns in their hands. Who is the shooter, what do I do?
>>689562177
Cool way to not contribute or refute my argument.
>>689562224
Niggers my man. Niggers.
>>689562224
we lied to get into the cool kids club
>>689561936
>i still dont understand ccw licenses
>>689560669
Every law is enforced by a gun. Suppose 50 years from now all guns in the US have been confiscated. Suppose the govt is stealing from the people, being dishonest, infringing on basic rights, has become extremely corrupt. What the fuck do you do ? Have a sit in? Then you get arrested. Then what?
I'm surprised this guy didn't shoot more people. Take some guy with a nut job for a dad, part of a religion that doesn't allow him to be gay, with access to military grade weapons, and a healthy dose of roid rage. I'm surprised this guy didn't give everyone smallpox
>>689562060
People in general? Or just professionals?
Because the former qualifies as gun control and lobbyists won't allow it.
>>689562084
Year: Population - Unintentional - Suicide - Homicide - Rate/100k - Total - Rate/100k
1988: 16,532,164 - 30 - 521 - 123 - 7.44 - 674 - 40.769
1989: 16,814,416 - 19 - 450 - 80 - 4.758 - 549 - 32.65
Statistics from australia. In 1 year, it dropped 20%. Pretty big difference.
2003: 19,872,646 - 40 - 193 - 54 - 2.717 - 287 - 14.442
In 15 years, it dropped to less than 20% of the original. An 80% drop in DEATHS by guns. Homicides by guns dropped by over half. Looking at 2014 stats, there were 31 homicides by gun. Almost double that were killed in 1 night. Yes, gun laws make a difference.
>>689562775
Death by GUNS
keyword, by GUNS
>>689562530
Military grade weapons? He had a 50 cal bmg or 338 lapua??
>>689561801
why so quiet fuckboi?
Crack is illegal. Still gets done. The president is trying to take law abiding citizen's protection away from them. He's been flooding in refugees. Another shooting is going down in Texas. Deny it if you will, but someone with a lot of power has it out for America. We all know it.
>>689562057
https://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/att/
Well think of it, how come obama's presidency has been plagued with mass shootings? The assualt rifle ban was lifted at the beginning of bush's second term, why didnt the rate jump up than? Explain to me why we have a rise, and ill prob believe it, but no one can
http://millerreport.us/urlshort/1
i found this page that is funny as hell
>>689562852
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
Here's the fucking link you absolute autist. Do the research.
>Death and injury
>Total number of gun deaths
>Click the citation next to 2003 and 2014
Jesus christ no shit it's guns. Your stupidity literally made me mad.
>>689562852
Yes, that is the subject being discussed here.
>>689560868
>implying drunk people can't do anything and are completely fucking retarded
glad to see the D.A.R.E program alive and well.
>>689562608
definitely the professionals, but I think CCW holders should need more training than the current requirements. My class was a lot more thorough than required and I still felt like a needed a ton more before carrying would have any point.
if you restrict it to just CCW holders, than it would be allowed since there already is training required.
>>689560127
a bouncer at a gay club? really?
>>689557389
my culture has been getting destroyed since the fucking christians turned up, 1000 years ago.
But then again, culture is a fluid ever changing concept. One could argue that the biggest threat to my culture these days is America. From the TV i watch to the jeans I wear to the fucking commercial to the shitty soda I drink to fucking McDonalds on every fucking corner.
American culture is a cancer 100x worse than any other foreign influence in my country. It is endemic. My first language is not even english and here I am, writing on a fucking american imageboard in this stupid language so I can communicate with a bunch of narcissistic jack-offs the other side of the atlantic. Ye gods this is depressing. The only thing which depresses me more is knowing how much fucking air time our country's media will use to cover america's impending civil war. We won't ever hear the fucking end of it: "disenfranchised hillbilly resistance fighters being flushed out of the hills with hellfire drones" "american missile silos overrun by unidentified paramilitias" "all army personel serving overseas to be called back to fight rebellious national guard elements." "America this, america that." Ye gods it's going to be fucking tiresome. And then the newscycles obsessesing over "how will this affect our economy back home in europe? yadi yada. yadi yada."
When China takes over from the smoldering wreckage I will laugh al the way to the bunker I'm building in the woods. I hope to Hveðrungr that when all you yanks die it won't even be your own puddles of piss you do it in.
>>689555047
Australia is an island. The United States is not. If you banned legal gun ownership in the US people would just get them from Mexico and Canada.
>>689558140
The gunner had a fully loaded assault rifle, it wasn't stuck up his ass.
>>689562921
You realize my answer was sarcastic. You brought up a good that you can easily get away with murder in America and I was making fun of the "ebin meme" anon for calling your answer a meme. I was supporting you. Chill.
>>689562937
More people feeling the effects of poverty?
>>689563281
No, he had a semi-automatic AR-15
>>689563246
>Implying people don't have guns in australia illegally
Anyone can still fucking get guns, they're just considerably harder when illegal.
>>689563015
What are the murder rates for other weapons besides guns?
>>689562775
meanwhile it's going down in the US, too
without any major law changes
uncanny, it's almost as if correlation and causation aren't one and the same thing and you need a shitload more data to prove a significant connection between seperate events
>>689563283
Which wasn't around in 2000-2008? Which has only recently became a problem? Also, these prolific mass shooters are not really poor; lanza, omar, san bernadino, auroa dude, cho, rodgers. That doesnt add up, try again
>>689563092
>if you restrict it to just CCW holders, than it would be allowed since there already is training required.
There'd be a greater chance of legislation going through but don't think it wouldn't have to fight all the way.
Lobbyists don't take the day off.
>>689563384
Actually it was a sig
Not an ar
>>689562267
Agreed after the first few shots. After a few seconds people run for cover.
>>689562298
Shooter would probably not grab cover until they know there is return fire. Columbine shooters did a whole lot of standing up and walking around because no one was shooting back.
>>689562313
Once again I highly doubt you would have 15 cowboys all standing in the open waiting to get shot out. Return fire would most likely come from some kind of cover.
>>689563396
Not implying there aren't illegal guns in Australia, I am saying that getting guns from another country is much easier when you can drive there.
>>689556195
Silly, faggots can't shoot.
>>689563479
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) — officially, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — is a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as "large capacity."
Gee I wonder what could have caused the drastic decrease in murders starting 1994
/sarcasm
>>689560185
>Every country has an army
Controlled by who? Oh right, not the people.
OKC bombing killed 168 with explosives. Let's ban fertilizer.
>>689563599
agreed, but letting that through could deter some other movements, so it might have a chance
I would expect most gun people to support it as well
>>689563022
But you completely ignored overall rates.
>>689563015
You completely ignored overall rates, If you're getting angry, ill just go, I actually like you because you're presenting valid facts and stats unlike the ither idiots here, but im only looking for stimulating discussion, not trouble.
>>689563769
Do you really think the assualt rifle ban decreased crime? Maybe it was the crime bill that came out in the same time?
>>689556673
It won't deter them. They'd just go down as martyrs in the eyes of IS or AQ even if they were perfectly regular guys.
>>689563769
Wait... What does this apply to? I can still buy semi auto rifles and large capacity magazines.
>>689563547
Is the infamy of the shooter relevant? Most mass shooters are from poor communities.
>>689563779
>Men, we're killing our own people
>Why
>Because they're rebelling and it's your job
>Oh but they're kinda our people from our country who we're risking our lives to defend
>Yeah but i don't like them
>Oh ok good point. Let's massacre millions of our own people
Are you retarded? Soldiers are still people, fuckwit.
>>689563952
It wasnt renewed. Thats why you can buy them now
>>689563282
oh.
Have a foot pic as a sign of my apology
All you paranoid dumb fucks can rest easy, no one will take your guns away, because supplying you retards with the means to kill each other is a multibillion dollar industry.
No politician will ever be able to get any law that reduces the viability of that industry through congress. Because money has the true power in this country, not a gun. This isn't the wild west anymore.
You shithawks need to get your heads out of your asses, and the past.
>>689563952
It was a 10 year law. Expired in 2004
>>689563769
That law expired 12 fucking years ago.
>>689564058
I accept your apology
>>689553931
>"Trump has a chance at being president"
>he thinks Trump is a bad choice
Go back to sucking dicks, Ishmael
>>689564143
It still started in 1994. Also I stated it expired just above yours.
>>689563769
>he actually thinks bans on rifles have any impact on firearm crime
the absolute madman
the AWB changed nothing about firearm crime
>>689558140
You pay extra for that
>>689564002
Which could be attributed to gang or drug violence. See mass shooting is loosely defined by number of people killed, it doesnt take into account why? Why did lanza shoot up the school? Why did the gang member shoot the five other gang members? See what im getting at? These mass shooters, that dont have a legal record, are the ones we talk about. These are the ones who are mk ultra, you cant blame poverty for everything
>>689554749
Implying muslim terrorfags dont have a deathwish
>>689564013
>milgram experiment you autist
most people will do as they're told.
>>689556881
>small pistol
What like a 22? Pretty sure the Shooter was running .223 or .22 (or did you forget GIs run .223?) Lmao a bullet is a bullet. Getting shot with one will fuck you up.
>>689564274
crime no, I can see that, but what about number of victims/casualties?, do we have reliable data on that?
>>689563769
>attempting to refute someone pointing out your faulty causation/correlation assumption with YET ANOTHER faulty causation/correlation assumption
fucking retard can't into statistics
>>689563642
>Shooter would probably not grab cover until they know there is return fire.
Or he might grab cover successfully or he might already have cover or he might explode his suicide vest.
Nobody having guns is still better than everybody.
>>689563015
good job ausfag. gun crimes down, knife crimes up. i bet people sure are glad that they have a higher chance of dying in a more excruciating way than being shot and if they want to defend themselves they have to do so in close quarter combat.
>>689563769
The federal assault weapon band had a built in sunset after I believe 10 years. Since there was no data after 10 years to justify the ban they allowed the sunset.
"Assault weapons" could still be manufactured and built during the time frame with minor changes to them due to a "features limit." Only specific models were banned outright.
>>689564236
>mexicans stole my job
>they're clearly underqualified for it despite getting the high end job that requires someone who knows their shit
>voting trump to get rid of the darn mexican
>go to get my new open job
>underqualified
>don't get job
>get mad at african whose parents came here legally and grew up in poverty, focussing on schooling, and graduated from uni with a masters in the topic
>darn african stole my job
>trump do something
You haven't changed my mind. Removing mexicans will do jack fucking shit for people who refuse to get or are underqualified for a job
>>689564476
>>689558056
Your wrong
>>689559039
>we have a smaller population
>Canada is well known for its biker wars where they used car bombs
Good thing they didn't have guns anon. Those are dangerous
>>689557913
That's a smart idea let's have everyone at clubs and bars carry guns now. That way we have more shootings instead of fist fights.
It's not just the U.S. The entire first world is getting dumber by the day. It's only a matter of time before China buttfucks us all out of existence.
I still think it's funny how everyone flips out about "Assault Rifles" when handguns are an insane majority of the guns used in homicides. This weekend in Chicago alone 7 killed and 37 wounded.
>>689553931
>>Bouncer let guy in with a gun
No he didn't, you mongoloid. The guy started shooting in front of the club. When the first officer arrived they had a firefight and the guy then entered the club.
>>689557877
Faggots died and everyone is discussing politics. Truly, 4chan is becoming shit.
You all failed me stupid faggots, wheres the shooting video? niggers.
I quit this trash community.
>>689564724
>everyone is a child and should be treated like one
>>689563862
>But you completely ignored overall rates.
Only relevant if you (stupidly) believe that every single gun murder would still happen without the presence of guns.
>>689564815
See ya
>>689564013
When it's you against them, no one gives a shit. People kill people if it'll save their own ass
>>689564501
>Nobody having guns is still better than everybody
There is no way possible to dispose of every firearm on planet earth. There were ALWAYS be firearms.
>>689562285
>>689561668
>>689561286
>>689561688
Update : Cops killed the guy and the hostages were rescued. No word on casualties/injuries.
>>689557144
Checked MAD about MAD new meme confirmed
>>689564847
For all we know, overall murder rates could have spiked due to people not being able to defend themselves, don't get mad, im only here to engage in stimulating discussion.
>>689562213
That's exactly what I meant by "there isn't a silver bullet solution". I don't think there's a single answer that will "solve" society any more than we can "solve" gun violence. It's a trendy political talking point and mass shootings are horrible tragedies, but completely preventing them is impractical. Take guns out of the equation, a person could cause a similar loss of life just smashing a heavy vehicle through a building with a glass front.
Heavy political polarization doesn't help, it creates a militarized atmosphere. Our intervention in the middle east doesn't help, it fuels foreign ill-will against our citizens. But we've reached a point in our growth as a species that lets individuals get access to power enough to kill a crowd and there's only so much we can do about that. So if someone is so incensed by dudes who want to have sex with each other having their own club to be willing to risk his life to murder them, I'm not sure there's a reasonable answer our society can implement.
>>689564398
Why does the fact we talk about them make them any more important?
Statistically speaking, if you want to reduce mass shootings focusing on media spotlight cases is entirely misguided.
In any case mental illness is the cause.
>>689564953
One hostage, a coworker from what I just read.
