I'm genuinely interested /b/ so tell me Why can't
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I'm genuinely interested /b/ so tell me
Why can't the constitution be changed?
Times change, so it makes sense that a 200+year old document that sets out the 'law of the land' should also change. And it has. As far as I can tell, the original constitution tacitly endorsed slavery, but times changed and slavery was abolished in an amendment.
Prohibition was an amendment that was subsequently removed in another amendment.
Looks to me like amendments to the constitution took place right up until as recently as 1971, with one more ratification taking place in 1992.
So, I'm looking for real reasons other than 'muh gurns,' 'muh constitution,' 'forefathers,' 'you know nothing europoor/ausfag,' as to why we couldn't change the second amendment if we saw fit to.
I just can't understand why we're more than happy to change some parts of the constitution but others can't be changed because 'you can't change the constitution'.
Side question: How does putting more restrictions on who gets firearms and how directly violate a person's right to bear arms?
>>689524194
> How does putting more restrictions on who gets firearms and how directly violate a person's right to bear arms?
Infringement
>>689524194
Also, you aren't getting rid of guns, you are just putting them in the hands of the government only. Our gun rights are meant to protect us against a tyrant government. All governments are tyrannical, even this one our second amendment was placed in there to protect us from it.
Your best bet would to go out and actually buy a gun
>>689524331
>Infringement
>directly violate
>>689524532
>Infringement
the action of limiting or undermining something.
>>689524511
I'm not saying get rid of, or ban guns.
I'm saying use a combination of education and sensible gun control, including background checks, taxation on ammunition and an assortment of other measures that allows law abiding citizens to buy and keep firearms, whilst making it harder for criminals, and known terrorists to buy them.
>>689524617
limiting does not mean impossible
>>689524683
How about actually having trust in people and understand that all these shootings are just a small drop in the ocean compared to all other forms of unnatural death.
More people die from being bludgeoned to death then by firearms . Guns aren't the best way to get away with murder,they are kind of loud
>>689524194
In Australia we have our own "Constitution". the beauty of our one though is that it is very general. Your constitution is more specific and binding. Both are somewhat outdated however the Aussie Constitution is so open to interpretation that it is easy to update (1996 gun control act: Since then no mass shooting here). You Amerifags are so obsessed with your sacred document (memorise the amendments for example). Even I, an Ausfag, know more about the US constitution than the Australian one. Australians don't bother memorising our constitutional details because our document is not as useful to us. Much better to learn our current laws
>>689524617
Do hate speech laws not then also undermine or limit the first amendment?
>>689525139
Yet murder rates didn't drop, actually they are rising. Especially in the home invasion robbery category.
>>689525204
Yes and no. Depends on if the hate speech calls for or incited violence
>>689524194
>Why can't the constitution be changed?
Especially when it's a fucking amendment that needs to be modified. AMENDMENT.
>>689525646
Doesn't need to be modified, you all need to go out and buy yourself a gun
I've never understood amerifags obsession with that piece of paper.
Just because some racist retards wrote something a couple centuries ago, doesn't make what they wrote sacred.
>>689525354
True. Just pointing out that because we have no 2nd amendment, we could respond to the recent trend of gun violence. People can still own guns for sporting and hunting. They just have to be the type of gun you use for that. Bolt actions and shotguns. No need for fucking assault rifles and semi-auto battle rifles for that.
>>689525781
>wrote something a couple centuries ago
wrote something, then modified it with an amendment.
>>689525846
But id had no effect on your murder rates, so it was a useless law
>>689525781
Damn, you all want to be controlled by your government. Told how to act, what to do and actually like being brainwashed drones.
>>689525036
This. I don't own a gun myself, but there are probably background checks anyway. They wouldn't just sell guns to insane people, illegals or insane people.
>>689526148
I assume you replied to the wrong post?
>>689526153
Accidentally listed insane people twice, my bad
Why don't you have trust in people who you assume are going to break into your home that you have to so desperately protect yourself from?
Also it doesn't answer my question
Double also, you're wrong on your second point:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
See: 2011 Total: 12,664. Total Firearm: 8583.
Actually 67% of homicides are from firearms based on those numbers
>>689526250
>>689525036
Also:
https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type
>>689526148
Er... the constitution is still essentially a law... or collection of laws
>>689526153
They do, in many states
>>689525955
That's what I'm trying to understnd
A bunch of crusty old cunts wrote something, then continually re-wrote it and re-wrote up until 1971.
But now it's set in stone and can never be changed, at least when it comes to the 2nd amendment
>>689526250
That's not a state by state query, that's based on crimes investigated by the FBI. The devil is in the fin print
>>689526364
It's law designed to Govern the Government ,not it's people
>>689525036
This argument is completely invalid. Even if that were true, it doesn't make guns less dangerous, just because there are other means of dying which are more prominent.
>>689527044
Buy a gun
>>689524194
Our founding fathers built the system and the ideas & culture that our country and its future success was built on.
If not for them America would have never existed and we wouldn't be here today.
It is not within our rights to alter the most fundamental freedoms they gave for us regardless if we agree with them or not.
Also having a heavily armed populace is incredibly important because it provides a serious weight on the scale that opposes Government power.
Without it the Government is much more likely to become a tryannical ruling class and without it resistance to a Government that becomes tyrannical is all but impossible.
The founding fathers knew this well and knew that in order for the American population to preserve its freedoms over time and make sure the Government acts as their representatives rather then their rulers that the society would need to remain as armed and as powerful as possible.
Ignorant people who trust the Government and have no knowledge of history might be ready and willing to give up their personal safety and their ability to provide resistance to their Government but intelligent people won't.
Plus in a free country the laws are made by the people not their "rulers" etc...
I am pretty sure most Americans want their gun rights so the Government has no right to take them away.
>>689524194
Here's the deal, faggola. Our country is huge. Really huge. Maps that barely fit in your gaping asshole huge.
People that live out in the country need to own weapons. Police presence is nearly non-existent, fucking bears and shit roll up on their property, and if some dickstink decides to rape and torture a family out there, only having weapons at hand will keep them safe.
Our cities, on the other hand, are filled with retarded teenagers waging war over who gets any given block in the CIA's favorite multilevel marketing schemes. Our total lack of decent national healthcare leaves us with tons of broken homeless, and worse, plenty of assholes just functional enough to use /b/ and know it scares them when their weiner feels funny around boys. Obviously the problem is all those sexy men, and not that they themselves are huge faggots.
So while cutting off guns to retards in the cities would be useful for our various national ~~babysitter clubs~~ police agencies, we can't really do anything without completely boning over the people that simply want to go hunting ( which controls the animal populations and keeps our various state park systems healthy you vegan blowhard ) or require them to defend themselves.
So the choice becomes which group to fuck over.
If humans weren't such a bunch of torturous shits, we'd still have our sanitarium systems in place, but it turns out if you fill a building with crazies, mostly people that want to spend all day torturing and raping crazies and claiming they made it all up since, get this, they're crazy, want to work there.
tl;dr: we can change the amendment just fine, but it's not an easy issue.
/ but but but but England doesn't have guns! or australia!
Fuck off. We have states larger than the uk, and australians group together worse than canadians because their country is a combination of desert and deathtrap. Those fucks are lucky to live in an area the size of rhode island.
China, Russia, Germany, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia, Korea to name a few. It's called democide. "Oh that can't happen". It has, it does, and it will again. Fact.
>>689524194
It can be changed but the people must want for it and it must be a huge majority. It wont change because americans love guns. Look at the guns per person and you will understand
Eurofags think banning guns would stop people from killing each other. When you look at a country with strict gun laws like Brazil and see that it just made all the civvies gun free and gave more power to the police, who might as well be a death squad. Also, it doesn't stop the criminals who the laws were trying to stop from getting guns because they're goddamn criminals. They can just get them thru the black market. And most of the already do. Face it liberalfags. Guns don't cause violence. Retards do. Kill all the retards...
>>689527150
I own a gun, what's your point?
>>689524194
Because
>taking the guns away wont stop the shootings and terrorist attacks
>taking guns away is removing your own freedom (really strange coming from the land of freedom)
>changing important parts of the Constitution will only serve as motivation for the easily offended left wing to try and remove freedom of speech
There are probably more reasons, but as i live in a third world country where firearms arent allowed, crimes here are the worst because if people had guns they could easily take the criminals out before, i dunno, he kills 50 people and hurt another 53.
>>689524194
>Why can't the constitution be changed?
>>689524194
It can and is intended to be otherwise it would not have been made a living document
>>689527435
Gun crimes aren't even an issue in the US.
Consider this.
99% of gun crimes are committed in segregated minority communities in Chicago or elsewhere and they are all done using illegal or stolen weapons.
Banning guns would do nothing to stop these crimes.
Another .9% are suicides.
.0000000000000001% of deaths over any decade are from mass shooting (which some believe are media creations) and from actual legal gun owners killing people
Nuke the couple of ghetto gang communities around the US, ban Muslims and increase spending on mental health care for troubled young kids and you'd have like 5 gun deaths a year.
>>689527489
Are you resisting the urge to mass murder people with it?
>>689526079
It was not useless. The murder rate stayed about the same true, although there were few Aussie gun owners before the laws came into effect. Were the law to remain the same then there was not much stopping gun ownership (of assault rifles, handguns, semi-auto carbines) reaching USA levels. If people have those guns, then some of them, a small minority, are going to use them to shoot people who piss them off. Try a mass shooting with a bolt action. I guarantee the casualties will be fewer. Why do you need a gun, besides using it as a tool? Farmers and sporters only need bolt actions and shotguns. (Home defence) What is this, the wild west? Call the cops. If they don't use a gun to rob you (which they won't if the laws are amended properly), then you are on equal footing with them. Lots of thing to use as weapons to defend your house with. The difference is that those things aren't going to be used to also shoot up a school
>>689527773
I give it another ten years before you have no rights at all in your country
>>689525759
yeah, hows that workin' out for ya?
>>689527646
The constitution is not meant to be changed.
The whole value behind it is that it can't be changed so tyrannical Governments can't abuse their power and restrict individual freedoms by simply tossing it in the garbage.
The only way the constitution should ever be altered is if the argument for it is perfectly sound and 95% of the populace agrees to it.
At the very least all Americans should agree that 5 or 6 fag judges elected by Obama or whatever shouldn't have the power to alter it by themselves or without mass citizen approval.
>>689527617
Gay marriage is mostly illegal in US
> Muh freedum
>>689527893
Pretty well, you know all these places that are getting shot up are gun free zones right?
>>689527692
Wow so much truth in this statement. And I'm a black kid from the inner city
>>689527989
No it's not, federal law made it legal
>>689527763
I am, as in there is no urge. I still don't see how that's relevant to my point.
>>689524194
You know what I hate? Wanting to commit a major crime but being unable to because guns are illegal and using a gun would get me in trouble :^(
>>689527773
>call the cops while you're being beaten and mugged by a gang of thugs
>call the cops when your house gets broken into and you have seconds before they break into your room
>call the cops when your Government becomes tyrannical, starts abusing the citizens and you can't fix it using Democrat means
People who don't understand how an armed populace acts as a counterweight against Government tyranny and corruption are so fucking stupid.
>>689524194
those barbaric religious texts sure aren't getting any changes anytime soon, and times sure have changed since they were written
>>689528125
You made no point
>>689528094
Everywhere in US?
I don't think so.
>>689524194
While the Constitution has changed through amendments, what has not changed is the Bill of Rights. Each of these Rights was meant to address a means by which the tyrannical British Crown either maintained or overstepped its power. One must consider that these rights are provided in an order of prevalence in the mind of the original authors. They certainly felt that the ability to speak against tyranny was most important, but clearly they also felt that being permitted the tools to resist that same tyranny was nearly as near to their hearts. One might suggest that these authors had to think for a bit beyond that before they even considered rights such as fair trials. The reason for this is that tyranny is nearly impossible in the face of an armed populace, as much has been said by the greatest tyrants of our time, including /b/'s beloved Hitler. Gandhi and Marx, who were great men of their time but not tyrants, also seem to agree. Arms are essentially the only thing that maintain our freedom in the face of inevitable tyranny. The rest of the developed world resent this freedom to arms, but keep in mind that the British were the original tyrant we resisted, and the french, Germans, dutch, and Spanish were all imperial societies that depended on being able to enforce their will on an unarmed population of colonies. If we give up our arms, what do we give up next? Already we see social justice warriors who are unable to understand free speech if that speech disagrees with their point of view. If the concern is safety in the face of people who would misuse arms, people should arm and train themselves. Additionally we should stop creating these "Gun free zones," as they are obvious targets for this type of behavior. Also, keep in mind that car accidents, diabetes, smoking and even doctor's messy handwriting kill more people every year than firearms.
>>689524194
basically, to make things simple, at the time, people who knew what we were, and what we were going to be, decided that royalty/monarchy sucks, and tends to relate to the lands that these people's ancestors came from. These wise people made speculation, then created the constitution, which is now under attack by new foreigners and politicians up for sale (go figure).
now for my opinion, I see no reason for the constitution to be changed for a few lousy people to pretend they will exist in america any better than where they or their ancestors came from.
>>689524194
Constitution can totally be changed. Get 38 of the states to agree.
>>689526148
Mate, not op here but ima step in if I may. Britbong with a brother in the state's that I regularly visit. I've driven all over the south and southwest States of your nation I can without doubt say you live so far under the cosh of authority it stopped being funny twenty years ago. I don't mean that in an inflammatory way, and I'm n o t looking for an agreement, but for an . American citizen to tell me, a britbong, that I should live in fear of my government and not capitulate to everything they tell me to do is just too hypocritical for words.
You live in a police state, with lethal force as the primary source of control. If I do something wrong I get a nice man in a tall hat call me a rotten so and so, and then send me on my way.
>>689528196
They are just trying to force that one wold government on the world. It's hard to do that with armed populations
>>689527152
>It is not within our rights to alter the most fundamental freedoms they gave for us regardless if we agree with them or not.
And I would totally agree, except that there are around 30 amendments, that have been enacted right up until very recently (most recently written 1971, most recently ratified 1992).
If what you said was true, then there wouldn't be such thing as amendments.
>The founding fathers knew this well and knew that in order for the American population to preserve its freedoms over time and make sure the Government acts as their representatives rather then their rulers that the society would need to remain as armed and as powerful as possible.
The 2nd amendment protects right as a well organised, regulated militia. Not as a country bumpkin with 25 guns.
>Ignorant people who trust the Government and have no knowledge of history might be ready and willing to give up their personal safety and their ability to provide resistance to their Government but intelligent people won't.
But the government has drones. Nuclear weapons. Good luck fighting back against those.
I don't care if you want to own a gun because you like it. That's cool. Just stop with this 'militia' 'fight back against the gummint' crap. It's a lie and you know it. The government could wipe you out in a heartbeat if they so wanted.
The sooner you can admit it, the sooner we can move on and enact sensible laws.
>Plus in a free country the laws are made by the people not their "rulers" etc...
You may think that, but is it not the government who make the laws?
>>689528343
Dude, they send people to prison in the UK for trolling , take your police state shit and shove it up your ass
>>689528224
Sure I did:
>>689527044
>>689525846
But the fucking point isn't to stop guns. It's to stop murders. You don't really care what people are killed with. You want them to stop dying. Banning guns made you objectively worse at that.
>>689527260
>some dickstink decides to rape and torture a family out there, only having weapons at hand will keep them safe
You're statistically more likely to shoot yourself or your family than an invader.
>we can't really do anything without completely boning over the people that simply want to go hunting
There are plenty of sensible regulations and legislation that could be enacted that could both keep the dumb kids at bay, whilst not fucking over the hunters in the country too much.
The problem is any attempt is blocked because everyone says 'muhh gerns.'
>>689528441
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The devil's in the punctuation.
>>689524194
constitution is the bullshit excuse the nra use when the real reason they don't gun control is because they're representative of gun manufacturers, not owners.
I keep see the term "Tyrannical Government" tossed about here and how the guns are supposed to protect us from it.
If we're not in one now - you haven't been paying attention to current events
So my question is: What's it gonna take for you guys to use them now?
>inb4 "It could be much worse!"
>>689528680
I think black lives matter. And so I want to make sure that the killers of blacks have no guns.
And so I believe no blacks should be allowed to have guns.
>>689528232
Yup, it is legal everywhere
Try doing your homework next time
>>689528680
90% of these people are cucks from other countries that don't have to worry about our gun laws at all
>>689526153
>be me, visiting america
>no citizenship
>get a gun on day 2 of visiting
And thats why im moving out to America if i ever get the chance. Seriously, banning guns wont stop shootings, having more guns also wont stop shootings. I want a gun to protect my own self if needed. We ban all guns and the criminals will be the only armed citizens. "Hurr durr law abiding citizens dont stop mass shootings!" again, i want a gun for my own safety, not others. Thats why im against banning guns.
>>689527260
Ooh, someone's tired.
Op asked a perfectly reasonable question for someone who doesn't live in your society and you had to go and have your period over it.
This is why the rest of the world thinks your a nation of fucking idiots. Nobody can mention your precious guns without you all foaming at the mouth.
And if you think there are any vegans in ausfagland you seriously need to get out more and stop fucking your sister every night. Tool bag.
>>689528824
Also we gave up on the gay shit, them butt pirates are going to pillow bite and there's nothing we can do to stop them from playing a game of butt darts.
>>689528928
Hey guess what, I live in the US. and you don't, jelly much?
hahahahahahahahaha
>>689527617
>>taking the guns away wont stop the shootings and terrorist attacks
Most mass shootings are perpetrated with legally acquired guns and ammunition. They may not stop 100%, but even a reduction of 20% os pretty great.
Terrorist attacks are uncommon to say the least.
>>taking guns away is removing your own freedom (really strange coming from the land of freedom)
Please explain how other than 'muhh sercernd amerndmernt'
>>changing important parts of the Constitution will only serve as motivation for the easily offended left wing to try and remove freedom of speech
But the constitution has literally been changed time and time again. When has free speech ever been attacked? Not to mention that hate speech is legislated against, which technically would be an impingement on your first amendment but everyone just kinda glosses over that one.
>>689528818
> What's it gonna take for you guys to use them now?
Kennedy being president.
Maybe Hillary being president.
>>689528678
>You're statistically more likely to shoot yourself or your family
Only if you have an IQ of 50 in which case that wouldn't be a huge loss for our society.
>>689528441
I disagree with most of what you've said including the idea that our military wouldn't stand down if 100+ million well armed men gathered in groups and marched.
Also nukes? They are gonna nuke their own country?
I'd also add that our country has been declining in many ways because of deep seated corruption in our Government, an expansion of our Government and indeed tyranny.
Unfortunately resistance to tyranny usually only occurs once things have gotten really, really bad.
>>689527617
>if people had guns they could easily take the criminals out before, i dunno, he kills 50 people and hurt another 53.
How would that guy kill that many people though without access to a gun?
>also comparing third world and first world countries as if they're even comparable.
>>689527646
>It can and is intended to be otherwise it would not have been made a living document
Except when it comes to the second amendment though, right?
It can and should be changed.... except when conservative idiots disagree and then it can't ever be changed?
>>689529102
> How would that guy kill that many people though without access to a gun?
With a bomb, or a bat, or a knife, or a car, or a chain. Like they do in every country that bans guns. And more of them would die than do in any mass shooting where any of the would-be victims are armed with a gun.
>>689528196
Says someone posting on /b/? Let's be honest it's all neck beard here. I live in the boonies, I've chased blackbear off my porch with a wooden spoon and a pan. We hill folk love our guns and we still call the police. Because the only people who don't are modern anarchist assburgs. Your like poor white trash that vote Republican when Democrats help there stupid ass get roads, food, school and shelter that otherwise would be unavailable.
>>689529167
You can change the second amendment.
Get 38 of the 50 states to agree, and it's done.
>>689529102
>How would that guy kill that many people though without access to a gun?
How did the Boston bomber do it?
Also Akmed the gay bar killer had an explosive vest on but he was killed before he could detonate it.
>>689529040
Mass shooting account for .000000000000000000000000001% of deaths over any decade.
Fix our immigration system and improve health care for young people and that number will drop even further.
>>689527951
>The constitution is not meant to be changed.
But it has been.
Time and time and time again.
By the reasoning that the constitution should never change, we should still have slaves, prohibition, and women and black people should not be allowed to vote
>>689529167
The first 10 amendments are off the table, always have been that way
>>689528343
>theoretical scenario, just for you anon
>UK suffers from modern currency failure and by some fucked up means, cannot trade.
>now starving people (you), completely hungry, in the streets whining.
>each member of your government, most likely least impacted by a tragedy foreseen and not dealt with, watches and determines how to twist and pull your people until each agenda is met
>you, your children, and all of your family are starving, in a drastic situation, are being prayed upon by leaders that see opportunity, and cannot/will not do a damn thing about it until it all blows over
sound familiar?
>>689528462
Er.. dude...they don't.
Stop reading the national enquirer whilst waiting for your turn on your sister.
Remember boyo, you're an undereducated, untravelled, naive Muppet with no real grasp on how the world works outside of Fox news and the cartoon network. Never try and tell an european anything about culture, civilisation or world affairs, you'll just look a cunt. Again.
>>689527260
the countries are closer in size than you think fyi
>>689528892
don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
>>689528037
Really? Pray tell how Florida, Virginia and Colorado are gun free zones?
>>689529399
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11627180/Five-internet-trolls-a-day-convicted-in-UK-as-figures-show-ten-fold-increase.html
>>689528196
>Not realising your gov is already those things.
Only in 3rd-wordd shit holes do govs need to fight using guns. The US has willingly embraced the complete corruption of its goverment to profit. You've lubed up for them, of course they'll let you keep your guns
>>689524194
The constitution can be changed, with amendments. It's just REALLY hard to do to prevent frivolous changes.
>>689529509
Schools are gun free zones, Bars in Florida are gun free zones ....dude your a moron
>>689525036
So americans are truly retarded, cool
>>689524194
What good is a constitution if you can change it however you see fit?
>>689529521
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29678989
>>689529346
Yeah and it shouldn't be.
Also the original writers didn't really want slavery but were forced to put it in because of the Southern idiots and women shouldn't vote.
>>689529286
Some bears won't be scared off by pots and pans.
Have fun getting killed when your pots don't work and you don't have a gun or bear spray.
Also I am fine with the state handling "roads" but they do an awful jobs with schools and I don't need them to provide me food because I can buy my own since I am not some lazy faggot who depends on handouts to survive.
>>689529399
> Never try and tell an european anything about culture, civilisation or world affairs, you'll just look a cunt.
One upon a time there was a tea party in a British colony across a pond. Nice try, but we're not giving up our guns for the feels of the Europoors. We'll talk about whatever we wish whenever we wish with whoever we wish. That's the FIRST amendment.
>>689528236
>tyranny is nearly impossible in the face of an armed populace
Maybe in 1789
>>689529633
You do know if trump wins, Russia's going to invade your shit country
>>689529086
>our military wouldn't stand down if 100+ million well armed men gathered in groups and marched.
TOP KEK
100+ million well armed men gathered in groups and marched.
Nigga you guys couldn't even manage to take over a Bird Sanctuary in Oregon
>GET REAL.
>>689528537
The point is to stop massacres. Which it did.
The secondary point is to stop suicides as they were the biggest reason for death by gun. WHich it did. Reduced a huge amount.
>>689527873
In a functioning Western Democracy the people vote for their representatives. Here every 4 years or so. this system allows the populace to have the power over what should or shouldn't be a right. Gun ownership here is viewed as a privilege, not a right. I say this as a former gun owner (when I worked on a farm and shot kangaroos). Don't need it anymore so I sold it (didn't want to pay the registration which is quite high and go through the constant safety checks the government do on gun owners). >>689528196
An armed populace is almost superfluous is a proper modern Western Democracy. Chances are the populace won't act as a unified group. You will end up with various armed coalitions of the populace who fight each other as much as the government (see Syria, Libya; armed populace rising up and then killing each other. Neither were Democracies which could have avoided it all). A government in a Western Democracy can not truly become tyrannical without the support of a majority of it's populace in the first place. Otherwise, armed or not, the populace will demand an election. Remember that the populace also consists of the Armed Forces and the Police. The people of Western Democracies already have the power. What are you going to do with an assault rifle against a modern army with tanks, artillery and air cover anyway?
>>689528729
hmm? How does punctuation prove me wrong?
>>689529634
>>689524194
YOU CAN CHANGE IT, DUMB MOTHERFUCKER! IT'S CALLED AN AMENDMENT!
Did you fucking idiots even go to elementary school? Fucksake!
It's a living document. You change it when the rules get old & out of date or are considered unjust by contemporary standards.
>>689526672
It definitely can be changed. It's just that the people don't want it to are the majority.
>>689529015
Ok. You've not read the thread have you. I've already told you I visit regularly, and I've / already told you my views on your police nation. I'd rather live in Mexico than the US, but then you wouldn't understand why because the state keeps too many secrets from you and you just sit there polishing you penis detention hand gun and muttering about 200 year old jibberjabber. Jealous? Ha, I'm fucking British mate, God's own fucking country. You're our bastard unwanted autistic embarrassing nephew nation and you've fucked yourselves over so hard you're coming back out your own Marseille covered in your own shit. Stick your flag waving people of Wal-Mart comedy nation down your 4 pints is a medium sized coke, lard lined throat and choke on it fatso.
>>689529786
You guys?
Yeah, a couple of men won't do anything.
Our military isn't gonna gun down a huge percentage of their own citizens and even if they could and did it would still be worth it.
Freedom is worth dying for and living as slaves is not living at all.
>>689529877
>stop suicides
Your country sucks so bad you had to keep people from killing themselves to leave it
>>689524194
Are you people fucking retarded? "u cant change the second ammendment" Yes you can, that's why it's called an ammendment. Honestly you Americans need a thesaurus more than a constitution, and if you don't know what that is buy a dictionary and work your way up.
>>689529906
>. What are you going to do with an assault rifle against a modern army with tanks, artillery and air cover anyway?
Same thing Vietnam, Iraq,Afghanistan did
>>689529338
>Mass shooting account for .000000000000000000000000001% of deaths over any decade.
We get it, dead kids don't matter. We all understood that when gun gun control was not revised after the sandy hook shootings no amount of dead kids would. Maybe if the next school shooting was a preschool and there where no survivors and the criminals stacked the little kid bodies like cordwood. Then after used little baby bodies as gunwarmers and silencers we might get some gun control. But more than likely it would end up just being a debate about how much crazy is too crazy to own a gun.
>>689529906
> What are you going to do with an assault rifle against a modern army with tanks, artillery and air cover anyway?
Win the Veitnam war.
>>689529086
>Only if you have an IQ of 50 in which case that wouldn't be a huge loss for our society.
Nope. But, please feel free to disagree with evidence based on your own idiotic self-assurance.
>100+ million well armed men gathered in groups and marched.
Implying that would ever happen.
>Unfortunately resistance to tyranny usually only occurs once things have gotten really, really bad.
Unlike in Oregon, right? That went real well, huh?
>>689529945
-tldr
>>689529521
You understand the difference between conviction and jail, right?
Also, the convictions are for breach of privacy/stalking/hatecrime laws. Not calling fat people names on Facebook.
>>689529906
>What are you going to do with an assault rifle against a modern army with tanks, artillery and air cover anyway?
Tanks are useless in that kind of situation and drones and air strikes can only kill so many before the people storm the gates.
>>689529945
You really should get a life.
>>689524194
Restrictions on firearm ownership is a direct "infrigment" of the shall not infringe part. Anyway, the constitution is rigid regarding any major changes because the sole purpose of a constitution is to draw limits on government, not to grant rights to the people, you are already liable to own rights on the basis of custom and consuetudinary tradition just by the fact you are a human being. Therefore, the constitution doesn't need to be changed because the tole of governmet, according to the legal tradition of the common law and the philosophical abstractions brought by the founding fathers is still the same as it was in 1776 (rule of law, security...), so the government can't simply limit rights because of their incompetence to provide security for the nation.
Attorneyfag speaking here btw
>>689524683
Ammo isn't fucking food, you do pay taxes every time you buy it.
>>689530226
Yawn,I was right and you were wrong, deal with it.
You live in the definition of tyranny
"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
-Thomas Jefferson
SUUUUUUCCCCKKK IIIIIITTTTTT
It can, but not the Bill of Rights.
>implying it's the bill of wrongs
>>689524683
Bullshit. What you are advocating is limiting EVERYONE. Because you libs are too chickenshit to go after the people, in this case a Muslim terrorist. Same in San Bernadino. People like you voted to block funding for mental heath or the capability to institutionalize bat shit crazy people. No fuck you and your "Sensible gun control" as it will have no end point until all that is left is cap guns.
>>689530191
US educated/couldnt read.
>>689530120
Yeah, yeah.
Have fun standing on the graves of little kids to push your agenda you pathetic fuck.
The majority of gun owners are good people who don't deserve to be disarmed because of the actions of a few insane folk.
>>689525759
>>689529234
>With a bomb, or a bat, or a knife, or a car, or a chain. Like they do in every country that bans guns. And more of them would die than do in any mass shooting where any of the would-be victims are armed with a gun.
Except they don't in pretty much every first world country that has strong gun laws.
I can't remember the last time there's been a bombing in Australia.
If one could kill more people with a bomb than a gun, then why wouldn't all massacres be bomb-based?
Turns out #of kills isn't the only/main reason one would massacre.
Bombs are more annoying, harder to place, take a lot more time and planning, don't necessarily go to plan and you certainly don't get the notoriety that comes with being a mass shooter.
You have no idea why these people massacre but pretend you do.
>>689529102
Yeah you are right. If guns get banned, noone will be able to get one. Nope, not a single person will be able to get a gun.
>>689529040
Despite you believing mass shooting is something that happens every single day, it isnt. The impact such tradegy makes is enough to make you cower in fear for some reason. Its the same with airplane crashes: there isnt that many crashes but the ones that do crash instantly become the center of attention. And that doesnt make the airplane a bad transportation does it? Same thing applies to guns. A shit loads of people have their guns yet one or another will do this idiotic shooting thing. Also, you need to be too naive to believe that banning guns will stop the shootings. Of course most guns used in the shootings are legal because anyone can buy guns. If they were forbidden then guess what? 100% of shootings would be made by illegal guns? Banning guns will not solve it nor help it in anything. People will still aquire guns just like you aquire drugs. If anything, you would just be promoting a new type of dealers: the weapon dealers inside of America. Your frustration towards shootings isnt enough to ban guns.
Changing the amendments is also taking away your freedom. There isnt much to explain there. If you dont want guns, dont buy them. But dont take away the freedom of the ones who want to buy them. Yet another case of: "if i dont wunt sumethin i will not allow anyonu to have it"
As i said, the important part of the constituion do not change. The other parts of the constituion change. But changing the important parts would only lead to more people wanting to change them. Causing the easily offended people like you to want to take away freedom of speech (something that is already happening in the social media since you cannot post anything you want)
>>689525139
Fuck you, Stay out of our politics and will stay out of your mom.
>>689530435
No, I just don't read insults from people that are obvious idiots
>>689529338
>improve health care for young people
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
How old are you, 65?
>>689530045
Kek
>>689530435
Er, you just read that one nobby.
>>689529368
Why?
>>689530487
>Boston bomber attack was like a few months ago
>Gay Orlando killer was wearing a bomb vest and had places explosives
NEVER HAPPENS
>>689530045
Sounds like a certain comedian
>>689529476
> implying all of the ausfags don't live in an area about the size of florida anyway
>>689530045
Screenshotting this and using it
>>689530483
Like the anon that posted a thumbnail?
You may want to take a computer course at your local community college
>>689524194
Because americans are retarded fucks that believe that like to interpret old texts so that it fits them.
Just like mudslimes do
In a perfect world we would be able to enact tougher regulations to keep people who shouldn't have guns from legally purchasing them and harming people but the fact is that it won't work out how we want it to. Under our current system background checks can go either way law abiding and eligible citizens are denied gun purchases all the time due to errors in the system and people who shouldn't get guns are able to pass back round checks and get guns.
The reason people (reasonable people not just the #merica 2nd amendment because I can douche canoes) don't want stricter gun laws is not because they want to enable further violence its because its only really going to fuck over us law abiding citizens and make our lives more difficult most gun control advocates (not all mind you) are people who will be unaffected by the laws enacted and therefore do not have to comprehend the consequences or short comings of those laws.
Would you let people who don't drive make traffic laws or vegans regulate the dairy industry?
And a filuther point if we are so concerned over unessecary and preventable deaths why don't we ban cars that go over 120mph? Its unnecessary and more people (or at least as many) die in traffic accidents than by guns we could lower speed limits to reduce traffic accidents and save lives but we wony do that because everybody will be affected by those laws not just gun owners.
>>689525846
Hmmmm heroin is illegal here in the states. Hows that ban working for criminals?
>>689525036
The thing is you can trust most people. and "most" means not all therefore it's a danger to think you can trust everyone and believing everyone is trustworthy is completely naive
>>689530620
Fucking read them, you'll understand
>>689530516
>>689525204
yes wich is also bullshit.
>>689524511
>wo totally gonna kil eviil guberment tanks and planes with our walmalrt ars guissweee
>but but uhh uh miltary wl be on ou side okkk,??,,..,,,// x
Amerifats
>>689529623
You're the moron. Virginia has legal open carry without permit, but because the school itself is a 'gun-free zone' then that means gun laws don't work. As if regulating 'gun free zones' in huge areas that have lax gun laws would somehow work.
Schools in Colorado are probably drug free zones, but if someone came to school and smoked up, you could probably suggest that the fact that it's so easily and readily available might be a contributing factor as to why.
>>689526672
Funny how you liberals will stand by the Constitution when it suits your needs. When it doesn't fit your narrative you want to change it.
>>689524194
the constitution has been changed 27 times, they're called ammendments.
>>689529933
>It's a living document. You change it when the rules get old & out of date or are considered unjust by contemporary standards.
So why can't you change the second amendment then?
>>689530120
admit you filthy fatfuck. You dont care. you dont care how and what, as in cars vs. guns, you just care about guns, because you fear guns. you fear anything that you were taught to fear. you fear different, you fear the world, and you are right to be, but fuck off, you are hiding behind children, so you can think you had some form of positive influence somewhere in the world because you are too fucking fat and lazy to do it directly, that you are willing to use children as an example to point the finger for something that happens no matter what, using examples of a perfect world that doesnt fucking exist. you need to own up to it, for your sake, not anyone elses
>>689529961
If you can't even organize to make a stand, like in Oregon, WTF makes you think you have the support of the National Guard or Military?
Fantasy - that's what.
Meanwhile in OK when have LE now running credit card scanners to take your $$$ because you're ACCUSED of having too much money that MIGHT be used for buying drugs.
Remember Katrina or Waco?
>>689530452
Lol agenda, I'm just pointing out the obvious. That no amount of dead kids matter to you. Because those things happen to people other than you. Everybody hates other peoples kids so fuck it. Maybe if someone shot your kids it might be a bit clearer.
>>689530731
None of you really caught the true meaning of that statement?
The hidden meaning is ironic
>>689529961
>Our military isn't gonna gun down a huge percentage of their own citizens
>implying the military would need to
Do you know what a drone is? It really wouldn't take much to take out large swathes of people. It would literally be a small handful of decision makers and a small handful of people working for them.
You could take out hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, with only about 10-15 people working for you.
>>689530878
Not very bright are you?
That's not an anti-government stance I took,also you have no idea what deterrence is.
>>689529906
Fucking this, you understand
>>689531091
People have a right to their own opinions.
I am willing to risk my life and the life on my children for individual freedom and most of my fellow citizens (I believe) feel the same way.
If I am wrong and most American (citizens) want to ban guns then I won't stand in the way.
I just believe it should be up to the citizens and that all arguments can be had.
>>689531000
>you fear guns
No one fears guns, gettin' shot by a maniac on the other hand.
>>689529945
>I'm fucking British mate,
>>689530992
We can! We just won't. People love their right to defend themselves even though it's a delusion.
>>689531293
Obama's just trying to use executive power to ban guns
>>689525204
((((Hate speech))))
Its only hate speech when you trigger a minority, otherwise its allowed. Its one of the most biased thing people came up to recently.
>>689530452
And just because I slam my druggie whore wife's head in the wall until it cracks, and kick the shit out of her for getting blood on my floor, doesn't mean I should lose my right to bear arms.
>bear arms
>>689529545
>The US has willingly embraced the complete corruption of its goverment to profit.
he's right you know
>>689531271
Keep clinging to your delusions u til someone shoots you up amerifat ;)
>>689524194
The constitution isn't going to change, so stop whinny about it or gtfo of the country faggot.
>>689529968
Suicide stats: # of suicides per 100,000 people
USA: 13
AUS: 10.7
You were saying?
Sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by%20Subject/3303.0~2013~Media%20Release~Changes%20in%20Australia's%20leading%20causes%20of%20death%20%28Media%20Release%29~10041
>>689531460
>amerifat
eurofag
>>689524683
OK NRA fag here. There are already such systems in place. Even if you are squeeqy clean, when you go to buy a gun and they do the background check they can still deny your request. And then you have a lengthy apeals process. As far as taxation, guns and ammo are taxed. Criminals do not follow any restrictions and can always get guns illegally. Making harder for law abiding citizens to own firearms only makes them more vulnerable to criminals and their government.
>>689531460
I have a better chance of being struck by lighting twice then being shot
>>689529945
ToP bAnTeR
>>689524194
The whole point of a constitution is to have a set of laws that cannot be changed.
>>689531159
U dum. Drones can rearm, refuel, and repair themselves now?
>>689530878
Even if you're trolling, you should stop spewing incoherent bullshit arguments here sooner rather than later, your opinion is not needed in this matter (or any matter, for that matter). Fucks sakes
>>689531115
fair enough, I just thought you were a retarded amerifag. It's hard to see the difference these days...
>>689531000
Whoa there man, alot of internalized anger and assumption going on there. I'm not hiding behind shit I'm stating the obvious. Obviously dead kids don't matter or change would have already happened and I own two guns. I've hunted every year since I was 12 do I or any of my family feel the need to own full autos? No because deer only requires a shotgun, or rifle. Muzzleloader is my favorite anyway. I think gun ownership should be preserved but come on your joking yourself if you think you can fight our military by putting an automatic in a citizens hands. But you could sure as shit save some lives by taking it out of the hands of citizens.
>>689530333
You fucking moron
Higher federal taxes on ammunition to price it at a point where it's not super easy to stock up thousands of shells, whilst at the same time bringing in income to help pay off the debt
>>689525646
K our constitution can and has been changed over the years just not the bill of rights. that was by design to protect citizens against a tyrannical government.
>>689530082
But they were already ruled by a tyrannical government. They had a common foe; their oppressors. They also had a common ideology, Islam or defending against (in their minds) American Imperialism to protect the revolution. Judging from US politics, you would end up with factions supporting and opposing each other. Another American Civil War! Also, you have no anti-tank weapons. You are not supplied by Russia or Saudi Arabia. You have no anti-aircraft missiles (unlike your examples). The US populace (if you were to face a real homefront crisis) are not the "counterweight" you are looking for. Chances are, there would just be a small number of collective pockets of anti-Government gun nuts. A few minor battles and they would be in hiding planting bombs in buildings and such. Regardless, I doubt tyranny is the kind of thing you have to worry about. Even if you disagree with the government, just vote against them next election. Little else you can do. Resistance would be futile
>>689530878
that was funny
>>689531575
Well of course you took guns away. what was your suicide rate before that, because that data is irrelevant to your previous statement .
And it still looks like people are just dying to get out of that shithole since it's with in the us's rates error factor
>>689531362
> I live in a neighborhood that has gone to shit
> someone broke into my house while I was in the shower, they left when they heard the shower door open and left a pile of stuff they intended to steal behind
> I let a friend borrow my car that Saturday night, dipshits thought I wasn't home and decided to try again
> first one through the window had an AR muzzle break in his ear
My house has remained untouched for the last five years, every fence/wall has been tagged except mine.
The way I see it, governments around the world have been killing millions of innocent people for literally hundreds of years. Why the fuck would they suddenly stop? I absolutely do not trust them to be the only ones with weapons. Fact is, and Iraq and Afghanistan proves they can't win against an insurgency no matter how many drones or tanks or jets they use. So, all other reasons aside, tyranny is the biggest reason we should never let the power scale tip entirely in their favor.
As others have said, it's important to me to have the means to defend myself. When the shit hits the fan, cops are minutes away when the difference between life or death is measured in fractions of a second. I'm not going to wait for those fatasses to save my life. Guns are actually kinda hard to get, anyway. Every store requires a background check, and if you've ever been institutionalized or convicted of a felony, you're outta luck. The vast majority of private sellers only sell if you can prove you have a clean record. Gun owners statistically commit less crime than police, and train more often than police.
These terrorists will not stop just because there's a gun ban, and so far, being defenseless hasn't worked out very well.
I refuse to be punished for what they do, I refuse to be defenseless. If you want to run and cower and call for help and be fucking useless, go ahead. I'm going to be responsible for my own safety.
>>689530433
>it will have no end point
Says you.
I say fuck you and your guns for everyone as it will have no end point until you kill everyone.
Seriously, grow the fuck up and be prepared to have an adult discussion.
>>689531392
Jan 20th can't come fast enough.
>>689525781
That is because you have no fucking clue. The constitution is an elegant document and without it well we would be just like all you dumb fucking eurocunts with no rights and mudlimes taking over our country. you can sure as fuck bet they are not doing that shit in texas!
>>689531600
>Even if you are squeeqy clean, when you go to buy a gun and they do the background check they can still deny your request.
Just stop it.
Omar shot up the Pulse Club in Orlando and was TWICE investigated by the FBI and on their watch list.
Like Obama said beforehand - "You can't fly but you can buy a gun".
>>689531774
I'd start manufacturing my own ammo. Good luck taxing that you money hungry fucking jew.
I already brew my own alcohol, tax free I might add.
>>689531392
Lol with what time left? He tried but it nearly tanked his presidency. Calm down your Republican NRA paranoia is showing. It's Ok no ones gonna make you take the tinfoil hat off
>>689530878
lol tanks
tanks are useless against gorilla warfare and people coming out the woods
>muh tanks
>>689524194
It can and probably should be changed, especially the second amendment.
It should be rewritten to be as explicit, pointed, and unambiguous as all of the other amendments.
We know what the founding fathers intended by it because, ironically, the language they used in letters sent to one another was more obvious and direct than in the amendment itself.
I swear, they were either drinking, falling asleep, or they simply considered the right to bear arms such an obvious, mundane right that they thought it unworthy of too much time and attention.
Unfortunately, its ramifications are easily seen today. In the words of Ron Paul, we need MORE respect for the second amendment, not less.
>tl;dr muh freeeeedom
>>689531941
How many niggers live there? Including sand niggers?
>>689531312
>no one fears guns
this makes you stupid. it really does.
>gettin'shot by a maniac
if that is all you claim to fear, you are double stupid, you believe a maniac cant get creative, and so you have no imagination. i hope to god you never reach any position of authority higher than your voluntary loose garbage patrol
>>689531949
Not an argument.
>>689531761
Full auto ares are already illegal with few expensive exceptions, try again.
>>689532078
GTFO
>>689524194
I love how SJW'S come to /b/ and think their going to trick us into thinking like the other brainwashed sheep.
>>689532212
ok so how did a suspected terrorist manage to get one easily if even a normal citizen will have trouble getting one?
i'm actually interested in the opposite, why does the constitution have to change just to fit the personal needs of a small, noisy minority?
this absurd belief that everything that's new & untried, is better than anything that's old & realible, sounds like pure goobeldygook in my ears
>>689532078
Sucks more hillary cock
>>689531575
>Suicide was once again the leading cause of death for Australian's aged 15 to 44
Dying to get out
>>689532286
>Social justice warriors
>Social justice
Implying
>>689532390
Because what he reportedly had was an AR15, a semi auto rifle (that means one trigger pull, one bullet) not a full auto anything.
You anti gun fags would be taken a little more serious if you'd stop parroting the uninformed bullshit you're masters tell you.
>>689530502
>Yeah you are right. If guns get banned, noone will be able to get one. Nope, not a single person will be able to get a gun.
A law can't be 100% effective so therefore let's not have laws, right?
In fact, let's abolish condoms, they're only 99% effective.
>Despite you believing mass shooting is something that happens every single day, it isnt.
Actually I would say that it is:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence
Well, almost every day anyway. I guess technically you're right - there were 260 days out of the last 1,260 that mass shootings didn't happen!
>that doesnt make the airplane a bad transportation does it? Same thing applies to guns. A shit loads of people have their guns yet one or another will do this idiotic shooting thing.
When a plane crashes, it's investigated and airlines around the world take what they can from it and implement safety procedures to prevent the same thing from happening again.
When MH370 was lost, airlines around the world rapidly implemented GPS tracking into their planes, so that it couldn't happen to them.
With guns, mass shootings happen and anyone says 'hey maybe we should, you know, MAYBE start to THINK about LOOKING INTO what we could MAYBE do about this'
And you conservative idiots say 'FUCK YOU GUNS GUNS GUNS AMENDMENTS'
>Also, you need to be too naive to believe that banning guns will stop the shootings.
Seatbelts, airbags, speed limits and drink driving laws don't stop 100% of car crashes, so why even have them?
>the important part of the constituion do not change. The other parts of the constituion change.
Who are you to decide which parts are important and which aren't?
>Causing the easily offended people like you to want to take away freedom of speech (something that is already happening in the social media since you cannot post anything you want)
What the fuck are you talking about? Social media is literally the opposite of that.
Guns should be illegal and President Hillary will make sure they are.
Women truly are smarter then men it seems.
>>689530699
>Would you let people who don't drive make traffic laws
Traffic laws are designed to keep everyone safe, regardless of whether you drive, or own a car or not.
Why can't gun laws be designed to do the same?
>we could lower speed limits to reduce traffic accidents and save lives but we wony do that because everybody will be affected by those laws not just gun owners.
What? That's exactly what we do.
>>689532212
That's it? You seemed more than ready to ride my ass earlier and call me a fatfuck now you've got critiques? Your the coward.muh muh muh guns. But but but I bought so many kewl ones. I don't want to give them back mama they're my toys. It's not fair! Just because the other kids where bad why does the whole class got to skip recess too? Because the rest of the class just watched and did nothing?
>>689532767
>Thinks someone being able to buy guns after the FBI has talked to them is wrong
Wants a lying cunt under an ongoing FBI investigation to be president.
>>689530732
Who's to say they should be off the table though? Bill of Rights or not, what the fuck does it matter? Thomas Jefferson himself said that constitutional laws need to be kept updated. The only thing stopping anyone from amending the Bill of Rights is some patriotic Christian 'pledge allegiance to the flag' bullshit
>>689531600
Have you ever heard of someone being denied before? Serious question, because I haven't.
Look, I'm also a gunfag, and I don't believe in restricting the right to bear arms any more than we already have, but getting a firearm isn't a difficult thing. It's a LONG process, but not necessarily a DIFFICULT process.
I'll never forget applying for my pistol permit. I got a call from the police department asking about my hospitalization at 17 and "what that was all about." I'm sure they already had a pretty good idea and I wasn't going to lie, so I said "yeah I was pretty depressed and suicidal." They asked me how I planned on doing it, and I told the truth -- "with a gun."
I hung up and figured, "well...there goes my chance of ever being able to own or carry a pistol."
>mfw my application was approved and I received my temp permit in the mail a week later
>>689532069
>gorilla warfare
top kek
Just once I'd like an honest to god fact-based, emotionless, irrefutable, statistics backed, legitimate argument that gun control will effect the homicide rate of innocent citizens, not just the gun deaths, but homicide as a whole.
No hiding behind "muh feelin's" No fear based bullshit, no retarded pure numbers statistics instead of per capita, and with cultural and population size differences taken into account.
Oh right, that literally doesn't exist....
The constitution can be changed. It's whats known as a living document which means it can be amended in any way. That's why we have amendments. Amendments can only be added by one group of people: The Supreme Court.
>>689530136
Thank you.
/Thread
>>689524194
>Why can't the constitution be changed?
Because doing so leads to corruption. Everything added to it since the Civil War has pretty much been pro-urban bullshit that's lead to the current problems of today.
Its like how its smarter to make a grocery list and buy food on a full stomach than go to the store hungry.
>slavery was abolished in an amendment.
Then how do you explain the reconstruction ammendments which turned blacks into slaves owned by government? How do you explain current-day Mexican slaves?
Hey, faggot, you REFUSE to even integrate blacks and you're now demanding that we give you more power to weasle your way out of legal duties and steal tax dollars. Fuck you. The 12th Amendment should remain as the final Amendment.
>>689531761
>need full autos
>need
>HUNTING
you honestly are fucked man. it is fucking expensive to buy a full auto. my state requires a special license and several classes, to even own one. on top of that, full auto makes absolutely no sense to get unless you are planning to disintegrate a barrel with. huh, full auto, something i could get right out of walmart, so practical, such wow, cititzens r dangerous now and kids r hurted. fuck you. this isnt about hunting, and this isnt about kids. its about criminals getting stolen guns, or guns in the black market. and your cancerous irrational way of thinking is going to loot many people of a right and privilege.
>>689524511
>Even if you banned guns, criminals would still get them illegally!
>But if you ban guns, nobody will be able to fight against hypothetical dictators!
Logic.
>>689533260
>Amendments can only be added by one group of people: The Supreme Court.
>>689531705
As I said in my reply, it would take some people, but not all that many
>>689532481
You obviously didn't read my post in its entirety. I was suggesting the second amendment should be rewritten to make the right to bear arms as explicit as possible.
I'm a gunfag, and you're an actual fag.
>>689531411
Lol what the fuck are you on about you retarded faggot?
This is why you can't have intelligent discussion on /b/, because nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about.
There's an obvious line between hate speech and expressing opinions and discussing facts.
For example, I can bring up black crime rate and the fact that it greatly exceeds that of other ethnicities and that's fine, it doesn't matter who gets butthurt and triggered, I'm allowed to talk about that. On the other hand, when you start calling people stupid niggers and saying that blacks are retarded and should die, it's quite clearly hatespeech.
I used very simple examples just for you, anon.
>>689524194
>constituation can't be changed
>Has been changed several times throughout history
>is made up of amendments
ge wizz you guys
>>689531293
>I am willing to risk my life and the life on my children for individual freedom and most of my fellow citizens (I believe) feel the same way.
>I'm happy for my children to be shot and killed as long as I get to keep my guns
>>689533078
You made an ignorant statement based off of the bullshit scare tactics the anti gun faggots spew, I merely corrected your ignorance with facts.
Go find your local safespace and curl up tight, the group therapy sessions start promptly at noon.
>>689533210
Well yeah. The gorillas can just climb on the tank.
>>689528441
Oh my....You are a blinded biased tool. You don't know WHY the Constitution was made in it's form, nor WHY the Bill of Rights' amendments were made. Yet, you spout your personal views as informed when they actually go against history and court precedence.
In reality, all you want is the liberal solution, and are hiding behind this so called "discussion".
>>689524683
>I'm not saying get rid of, or ban guns.
Except you are.
Yeah, driving your car over a little kid may not involve you personally crushing him/her but you're still putting that child's life in the hands of your car which has no moral values. Letting urban centers ban guns and turn the countryside into their own property(by forcing the residents, and thus votes, to leave) undermines everything else.
>>689533158
The constitution shouldn't be changed without the express approval of the citizens though.
Thats the only area where I disagree with you I guess.
Also the fact is our founding fathers and ancestors built this country.
Without them we and the country wouldn't exist.
So is it really ok to toss out laws they said not to change?
If your dad gives you an expensive nice house for free and says you can have it but you can never allow a cat into the house is it really ok to get a cat once he dies?
Think about that...
>>689533498
What if my kid gets killed by muggers and would have lived if he had a gun to scare them off?
>>689533078
that was a different anon. im right here, and convinced you have some form of mental illness
>>689525781
>racist
Racism is inherent to competition. Slavery wasn't racist. The racism was created when former slaves had to compete and still exists in the form of urban areas bribing/arresting blacks so they don't compete.
>>689532718
my "masters" (?) don't tell me anything. I indeed didn't know that an AR15 wasn't a full auto but I wasn't implying it was and what difference does it make when your're not shooting all your bullets at the same time to not waste them and kill the most people you can? and do you seriously think he could have done it with a normal M9?
>>689526737
>the fin print
they're fish now?
>>689524194
Because the first ten amendments are individual rights, not privleges that can be controlled by a tyrannical leadership. Liberty and security are not mutually exclusive.
>>689525955
No ammendment after the 12th is good. They were all created from an illegal war.
>>689527692
/thread
>>689524194
How to be hipocritical 101, with the libtards:
>wants drugs to be allowed
>wants guns to be banned
Kek, the dealers will continue, with the spread of violence, they will just change the names from drug dealers to weapon dealers
>>689533362
Because all the criminals organisations in venezuela,China,Cuba,...ect fought to overthrow their Governments
>>689530136
so fucking underrated
made my day
>>689532471
>this absurd belief that everything that's new & untried, is better than anything that's old & realible, sounds like pure goobeldygook in my ears
That's because you're 85 years old.
>>689533840
The civil war?
>>689530819
my bro molineux always nailing liberalfags
>all the anti-gun fags in this thread
Guns have been legal for 500+ years in this country and yet you still ended up getting born.
Quit being such a pussy.
>>689530136
Holy shit it's true
Topkek, anon
>>689533815
Actually fin is end in french and fits the statement
>>689534018
completely irrelevant
>>689530878
Yeah because the military will kill every single gun owner haha.. also ever heard of vietnam, iraq, syria..? No regular army is good against assimetrical warfare. Go choke on the government's dick asshole
>>689533319
>Its like how its smarter to make a grocery list and buy food on a full stomach than go to the store hungry.
How is it like that even in the slightest?
>>689527989
Idiot
>>689534159
it's in the end print?
>>689534018
buh buh buh anon, what about muh liberal feelings :( muh america, muh prohibitions
>>689530136
SAVAGE
Guns don't kill people, People kill people, maybe we should just get rid of people and leave the guns alone
>#banpeople
>>689524194
The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. -George Washington, Farewell Address: 1796
>>689534253
Yeah, that's where it was
If we give up our guns how will we defeat Asriel?
>>689534362
savage
>>689532013
there you ok bro.. progressive press all thé way
>>689524194
OP is a nigger. Only faggot need assault rifles to act tough.
>>689533940
everything new is untried and therefore hasn't stood the test of time.
by the laws of logic it's therefore potentially more hazardous because you don't know what long term effects it will have on society on a whole...
>>689524194
americunts, this abysmal constitution is what makes your cuntry such a shithole. get rid of it completely and replace it with something good.
oh, i get it, you the people are too damn dumb to do even that. go die in a nuclear fireball.
>>689524194
>>689533619
>If your dad gives you an expensive nice house for free and says you can have it but you can never allow a cat into the house is it really ok to get a cat once he dies?
Yes. If you want a cat, then why not? Your dad has been dead for 200 years. What the fuck does it matter now?
Let me put it another way:
If you have a house that's handed down through your family for two centuries, but the express instruction is 'you're not allowed to change the house' then the house is going to be useless in current day, isn't it? It probably won't even have electricity, let alone internet, a phone line, an inside toilet, plumbing...
You'd be better of selling the land and starting somewhere new or bulldozing it and rebuilding.
>>689534638
We've seen what banning guns did in Europe and it isn't good.
>>689533780
In a crowded nightclub an M9 (for all you Cowadooty fags) or any other handgun 9mm and up would be a better choice than a rifle, there are extended mags for most modern handguns that hold as many rounds as a standard capacity AR magazine, easier to conceal so as not to attract attention, reloading a semi auto pistol vs reloading a magazine fed semi auto rifle are comparable time wise. There is a reason why handguns are used in crimes waaaay more than rifles there skippy, again do some research learn about what you're talking about before you open your cock holster and maybe you won't be taken for the dumbass that we all know you are.
>>689533722
>What if my kid gets killed by muggers and would have lived if he had a gun to scare them off?
Your plural muggers assumes more than one mugger. Why wouldn't the muggers also have guns? Then your kid is outnumbered, except the fact that he's also got a gun escalates the situation and makes the muggers more likely to shoot. If your kid is unarmed, he may have been able to get away alive.
>>689533501
First of all I'm not this guy
>>689532390
Secondly
You know as well as I that just about any form of semi auto rifle is easily capable of being modified into an automatic. The issue is not the rate of fire though as the most recent shooting showed it's just guns themselves. It's bad enough untrained inaccurate idiots can get them and cause problems for everyone. The real scary stuff happens when someone who is accurate and calculated starts firing on people. The DC snipers come to mind as the 2nd amendment was the inspiration behind their "resistance" against tyranny. But I digress honestly I'm not gonna change your opinion, you can't Change mine. Maybe you'll change your mind after the next public shooting or the one after that, or the one after that etc.
>>689534748
I get your argument but I still think it would be wrong to do it because if it wasn't for the first guy handing it down then it wouldn't be in your family in the first place.
Also I don't believe banning guns is good for the country in the long run and I think their are many arguments for why it is better to have a well armed populace.
I believe that disarming the citizens is generally always done for the same reason and it isn't to protect lives.
The way the media acts makes that pretty clear.
>>689534832
that's my point. only thing that happend is that honest folks could protect themselves and had to rely on a incompetent police force who can't even tie their own shoes.
also the gun ban drove up prices on illegal weapons, making the the trade flourish & flooding the market with illegal weapons, making it even easier for criminals to get ahold of guns & commit crimes
>>689524511
Does anyone else think that in the event of a real revolution, china or russia will start funneling weapons through the mexican cartels to rebel americans? They'll just do the same thing we do to other countries and fund the revolution.
And anyway, in the event of a real political revolution, we'll just end up with a military coup that'll take a matter of hours to execute.
>>689534832
Yeah, I mean France has a total firearms ban and we see how well our French b/rothers faired during the Paris attack.
>>689534748
>legal bindings
kind of hard to use as an example if house came with a will and strings attached.
>another thing, it is kind of respectful to honor your parents wishes, but with you anon, its probably implied your parents could possibly be asking too much.
>>689534947
Yeah except most gun standoffs statistically end up with both parties walking away.
Most people aren't willing to get into a fire fight over a wallet and change.
Theres also statistics showing how guns prevent a huge number of crimes.
God made man. Guns made man equal.
