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"Muh rights"
>>689276351
Define assault rifle
>>689276351
He got guns because tye new world order commands it
>>689276351
>>689277177
Define gun
>>689276351
cant we all compromise and just go back to the AR07
>>689277901
this isn't unbacked though, read the newspaper you dickhead
>>689276351
>Military grade
Nope
>high-capacity
Nope
>No questions asked
Nope
>>689276351
Let's just do away with the Constitution altogether and let you lefty low-lifes decide what rights which people are allowed to have.
>>689278159
Please. Do you know what an assault rifle is? An AR-15 is SEMI automatic, an assault rifle is FULLY automatic meaning rounds go off without having to let go of the trigger.
>>689276351
waiting for the inevitable amerifat with stupid backward logic to interject "But what if everyone in the nightclub had guns".
>>689276351
Got the gun from his job, thats his jobs fault not gun laws. good bait though
>>689276351
It doesn't matter, it won't stop me from buying firearms next week
>>689277635
>>689277177
Define define
>>689276351
>killed 50 degenerates XD
>his wife was a cunt and drove him crazy
>like everybody else he was the target of FBI surveillance
We need gun freedom more than ever.
>>689278390
and what if everyone in the nightclub had guns...?
No we don't need gun reform, because changing laws will not stop someone from doing what they want to do. It's just like drugs. There's a million and one laws against drugs and they don't do jack shit from stopping people from getting them. If someone wants something bad enough they're going to get it one way or the other. All that's going to happen with stricter gun laws is there's going to be more on the underground market and then all kinds of guns will be getting into the hands of all kinds of people. At least with the current system guns of to be documented and registered when purchased legally...
>>689278390
the criminal would be shot before the third person dies, saving a lot of lives. What do you think would happen in that circumstance?
>>689276351
You can make all guns completely illegal and criminals would still get them...thats why there called criminals..huuurr duurrr
need a picture of Omar getting fucked by a d00d. someone make it plz
>>689278344
In fact no I will admit my knowledge of guns is limited. But that is because nobody owns a gun in my country as we don't need to. Whether or not the gun was automatic is irrelevant, the gun laws in America are still retarded
>>689276351
>>689276351
>>689278496
Ban guns and this still would happen.., its not guns, its crazy people or extremist
that kill.
>>689276351
you're a faggot and talking about shit you've only heard about on cnn. do some research and you will see its not that easy. also you are a faggot
>>689278666
They aren't registered, however. At least not legally. There is documentation however.
>>689278778
> admits he knows nothing about guns
> wants to lecture us on our gun laws
>>689276351
>Military-grade
Lol.
>>689278666
Can't argue with Satan folks
>>689278627
and the feds held responsible. like you said all h ave been under surveillance
>>689276351
people shouldn't be able to own semi-automatic weapons, they should all be bolt action.
Also if FBI were competent then they would have snagged that crazy fuck.
Murica for fuck sake, get rid of guns, they are made to kill not to defend. You are a fucking joke of a country, bring on trump kek
If they weren't a bunch of faggots he would have been dead in seconds.
There are more good people than bad people, If everyone has guns, then the bad guys will lose every time.
>>689276351
Was the gun bought legally?
>>689278924
yeah because I need to know everything about fluid mechanics and how cyclones are formed to know that a cyclone is dangerous right
>>689279029
Says the faggot that lives 2 seconds from a police station in his tiny country. Try defending yourself for once. It feels good.
>>689279112
yes
as a non-american fag, could you guys explain the need of having a gun?
>>689279029
trump is going to finally bury the hatchet with russia and tell you yuropoor fucks to eat a bag of dicks.
maybe you'll appreciate us more when the little green men are falling from the sky.
>>689278745
Guns are expensive, hard to get, and hard to make. It isn't like making thumbs up illegal, its actually plausible to make guns nearly inaccessible to everyone
>>689279162
It feels shitty to have to defend yourself. Worse to not be able to defend yourself when needed however.
>>689278344
>Arguing semantics
>Virtually no point to argument
>>689278724
or you could just ban guns so this type of shit doesn't happen anymore. What is the argument foe owning a gun? I'll tell you, it's "Fuck off, I like guns"
>>689276351
fuck off cukc, my right to own firearms is enumerated in the declaration of independance. just because liberal fucks want to kowtow to islam doesn't mean the res tof us will roll over quietly!
>>689277177
looks spooky
>>689279029
Come and get them, Canada. Oh that's right, you can't because we have guns and you don't
>>689276351
>BOO HOO IM A SCARED LITTLE GIRL AND MY ENTIRE LIFE IS DEDICATED TO BELIEVING THAT IF JUST ONE TYPE OF VIOLENCE WAS ENDED THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD BE A UTOPIA
taps played entirely with herp derp:
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Hurrrrr durrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrp
Hurrrr durrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrr, hurrrrr durrrrr durrrrrrrrrr, durrrrrr durrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrp
Derp deee DEEEEEEE, Derp deeee DEERRRRRRR
Herp durrr DURRRRRRRRR.
>>689278666
But by forcing people to buy them illegally they will probably be more expensive then they are now and the average 15 y.o with a knife and school shooting fetish probs couldn't buy an underground gun, right? So even if they went underground it limits the people who can actually buy them.
>>689279226
because the world is a shitty place, and there are shitty people out there who want to hurt you. when those shitty people are at your front door, the police are 20 minutes away.
>>689276351
>>689279162
Yeh i do, with fists or if needed a baseball bat/brass knuckles. Go run round with your gun you pussy ass bitch
>>689279227
Europe is a big place son
>>689279308
hillary is gonna take your guns you pussy
hahah gonna laugh so hard
>>689277901
Something like that. le troll
>>689276351
One fag armed with a pistol could have saved dozens of people. Instead they were liberal pussies who probably screamed for gun control like this faggot op. Your bait is weak, your argument is stupid and no one likes you. Get the fuck out.
>>689276351
Because this only happens in America.
Gun control laws could have prevented this in France....oh
We absolutely need a gun reform. Not an all-out ban, but this motherfucker should not have been able to get his hands on one.
Taking guns away from law-abiding, mentally stable citizens will do far more harm than good.
defend yourself from what? do you envision a group coming for you like they did scarface. 8 bullets should be plenty
>>689278627
>>689276351
I see so an Islamic terrorist who the FBI lost track of calls 911 and announces he's going to kill a bunch of people for ISIS and he proceeds to kill 50 people before the cops do anything and your conclusion is that the American people should be disarmed because we can rely on the authorities to protect us.
That's fucking rich.
Those gun laws in France didn't do a very good job of protecting their citizens last year did they? Why the fuck do you think it would work here in a country where there are already hundreds of millions of gun? Did prohibition work? Has the "War on Drugs" worked? No? Then why do you think the government could control the sale of black market guns?
>>689276351
he was also a radical islam who was told by obama not to be investigated because MUH RACISM
>>689276351
eh, worst things have happened than a bunch of faggots getting shot. Hopefully this makes people start shooting up mosques here in the USA. Fuck Islam and fuck the gay community.
>>689279361
except we share an incredibly porous border with a third world country, so the criminals will still be able to get them. the only difference is that now the good guys are defenseless.
>>689276351
No civilian can legally purchase any military/LE "grade" weapon. Both the NFA and FOPA outlawed any/all automatic weapons sales. Moreover, all Title II weapons require a Type 1 firearms license, a type 3 SOT, a form filed with ATF that receives a tax stamp to purchase, and finally approval by the attorney general. None of this which he had, or could have had, in 24-48 hours. Any violation of this is a federal felony with a minimum 10 year sentence. Most of these SJW fucks cannot even define what a magazine is. This meme, like all social media propaganda, is pure bullshit where facts are optional.
>>689279270
Try to get rid of all the guns we already have - basically impossible plus building a firearm isn't that hard if you have the tools and know how.
>>689279226
Because it's a safer and a quicker way to react to a threat instead of waiting for the police to respond.
If you ban guns, you're only taking them out of the law abiding citizens, not the criminals who attain these weapons illegally anyways.
It's like how murder is illegal but happens anyways, or rape. A law isn't gonna stop it.
>>689276351
>need gun control not non-white control
fucking liberals and ignoring the elephant in the room. which is even more ironic cause its represents their opposed political party.
>>689276351
I would agree to a point. THIS guy should never have had access to ANY gun.
The fault lies not with the law, but poor implementation by law enforcement, ie, the FBI.
But lets consider what else they aren't doing that they should be, like roasting the Hilderbeast over her email problems.
Considering how the current administration refuses to call Islamic Terrorism what it is AND the high number of mass shootings and attacks during this administration AND their stated goal of disarming law-abiding citizens, do you -really- think this guy getting and using guns this way was an ACCIDENT?
Obama has been helping these acts of terror occur in very covert ways to drive his gunless America agenda forward. Mark my words.
Liberals worry about gun control just like conservatives worry about welfare. It effects so little it's not even worth thinking about.
>>689279301
>argument for owning a gun
How about this one: "Punishing the whole class for one kid acting up doesn't make you a clever teacher, it makes you a shitty teacher" - me, 2016
Taking things away does not solve the problem. I could take a knife to a school (ok, summer school) TOMORROW and there is no way anyone without a gun would stop me from killing whoever I wanted. And that's coming from someone who doesn't have the will or the reason to carry out such a thing. If someone wants to, they fucking will. Then what, will you ban knives? Next time you hear about a drunk driver killing people are you going to call for banning drunk driving? OH WAIT.
>>689276351
It isn't an "Assault Rifle", AR stands for Armalite who designed the gun. Get the fuck out of here with your left wing bullshit.
>>689276351
He bought it unmarked you fucking retard, and you think you can completely stop violence? Hell as much as I would we simply can't. We can suppress it, end some. But not all.
>>689278924
I know enough to say that without guns my country doesn't have a mass shooting every second week.
>>689279301
Just like banning meth, heroin, and cocaine. No one uses those.
>>689276351
Anyone who looks at the federal government's track record of implementing gun controls and still thinks more gun control would help anybody is a fucking idiot.
You can legally own most things that are explicitly banned through clever loopholes and the slow pace of bureaucratic ruling on new developments.
You can't outright ban guns without a constitutional amendment, which in this day and age is totally impossible given our politicians utter disdain for working together. That leaves you with two options and two options only: 1. Anemic controls with absolutely zero impact on the real world market, and 2. nothing.
The time to be concerned about this was the civil war, and now it's too late.
>>689279454
Hit the nail on the head anon
>>689276351
I've still never met someone who understands the guns they want to ban. Assault rifles are automatic rifles. They are already illegal. The rifle he had was not automatic unless it was already illegal. We don't need to ban illegal things a second time.
>>689278778
>I don't know what I'm talking about but still feel entitled to an opinion on the affairs of other countries.
>You're retarded if you don't agree with my unfounded opinion.
Here's an idea fucktard, how about you do some research and base your opinion on statistics (pic related) rather than inflammatory news stories?
>>689279189
So, in usa you can legally sell guns to a mentaly ill person who is also suspect of being a terrorist, ok usa that just stupid
>>689279502
This. Owning a gun is an INALIENABLE right. You can't take away those rights just because 'herp derp, I'm scared!" It's inborn to every american!
>>689279020
If all civilians had bolt action guns, that would still put them at a disadvantage against criminals, who would have automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
>>689276351
He could've legally owned guns in australia, and australia's gun laws make the UK look like freedomland.
>>689276351
If you actually look into it, this guy was a contractor with the Blue Pelicans in Iraq. He sat on a tribunal for water crimes in 2007 and has net GWB. there is more to this that we know.
>>689279663
You probably also get ID'd just to buy a butter knife you fascist shit.
>>689279687
This. 1000x this.
You're right, OP. I wish I lived somewhere in Europe with serious gun control so I'd always be safe, somewhere like France, or Belgium, or Norway.
maybe stop buying guns and save up to move to a better neighborhood kek
>>689276351
>hur dur we need to make getting guns more illegal
>downloads tor
>finds illegal gun market onion.url
>buys gun illegally
Boy I'm sure glad that it's harder for non-criminals to get guns
>>689278344
this guy is right its easier to run away from a semi automatic gun than full automatic
thank you for clearing it up for these retards
>>689279801
And the whole gun issue is due to them blowing the stats out of proportion, including suicide and shit, as if that's the only way to die/kill yourself.
With all their lies of omission and stat twisting guns still arent even close to the leading cause of death. That is the argument against gun control; there are more important matters.
>>689279663
>>689279555
buyback programs have worked, and building a firearm is hard, because the tools and know how are not commonplace.
>>689279725
Uh no
That can't happen at all, at least not legally.
But people still lie and provide fake info on themselves
>>689276351
that infographic is full of lies
>>689279127
Knowing they're dangerous is one thing. Suggesting we need to ban things that are already illegal is another. You would know "assault rifles" are illegal in the U.S. if you knew what the fuck you were talking about, hence, you should educate yourself and then come back.
>>689279725
He wasn't mentally ill, atleast not officically - after his death, his ex-wife claimed he was bipolar but never diagnosed as such.
Also he wasn't suspected of being a terrorist - the FBI had a talk with him in 2014 and clearred him
>>689279666
Checked, this shits for real.
>>689276351
Forgot to mention he was a licensed gun owner, trained in private security & was a legal us resident. Thus the reason he was able to buy the fire arm he did with little to no hassle, he wasn't just some nigger off the street that walked into a walmart & bought an AR
>>689279999
Epic quads!
Also, nice point....a total gun ban has worked wonders for Chicago.
>>689276351
What about the 100 million non Muslim gun owners who didn't kill people yesterday? More people died in car accidents.
>>689279454
The headine could have been "flamboyant homo saves nightclub full of queers"
>>689276351
He was also illiterate because there was a sign that said gun free zone, all euocucks know that the sign scares away all extremists
>>689279471
As a gun advocate, I think if we had a licensing or registration system things would go well. As long as they cannot fuck with the 2nd amendment. Let people have their sbrs, sbss, suppressors, and fully automatic rifles, but have them be licensed.
The problem we have with registration and licensing is because then we are on a list, and as soon as congress says "hur im scurrd of scawy wifle" then they ARE coming for your guns.
They call them assault weapon BANS, then say 'no one is coming for your guns'.
>>689279999
Hell you don't need TOR, any dipshit can go to the ghetto and buy a black market gun.
Uber has better background checks.
>>689280232
man that is some goblin face right there.
>>689278778
What country? France?
>>689279663
Get rekt by >>689280070
>>689276351
All this event did, and all the events like this do
is get Trump closer to the White House
>>689278226
This guy gets it.
>>689276351
You can't have any sort of real conversation when people like OP spout off unsubstantiated information. OP is only making things worse. Come back when you have facts and reliable sources.
>>689278724
or people would've been popping caps in each other before the gunman even got there
The only gun reform I would accept is some kind of magical barrier that disintegrates any weapon inside of its barriers. Then yeah for sure. Anything else is just silly.
>>689279663
Did you country have 300 million guns last week and ban them yesterday? Banning guns in the U.S. would be like banning tooth decay in Britain. You'd need to kill a lot of fucking people.
>>689279301
So are you convinced that gun control laws would stop this person from killing? You are convinced that a crazed extremist who thought he was compelled by god to shoot up a club, you would just stop and say "well I would rather not do anything illegal like buy a gun so I should just stay home and watch a movie"?
>>689279874
This
>>689279530
But you can't just say well they do it anyways so why make it a law, look at Australia, had 1 massacre, government banned weapons. Yes there are still illegal guns but gun violence is non almost existent. I know with America changing gun laws is too little too late, the 2nd is an outdated law that should have been abolished year ago and now the country is suffer for its stupidity.
Maybe Florida should just repeal the law that prevents people with a concealed carry permit from carrying their firearm into a nightclub or bar.
Surely one of those gay guys would've shot back.
>>689276351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM
>>689279874
Blue Pelicans. That's fucked.
>>689280722
kek
>>689279874
Holy shit.
>>689280722
>>689279663
Here's how to create a gun free America in 5 easy steps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4
>>689279361
recall prohibition
>>689279301
I could have swore Paris is gun free... hmmm.. HMMM.. great argument bud.
>>689279301
>What is the argument foe owning a gun?
I don't think you understand how the constitution works. I don't have to justify or argue why I should keep my rights, you have to give a very compelling reason why I should lose them.
>>689280695
or giant sky magnets that just pull all the bullets upwards away from people
>>689278666
Look. At. Canada.
Or Australia.
Or any other country with modern gun laws. We could cut the number of gun deaths down by orders of magnitude. Fuck, I'm ashamed to be from America.
>>689279874
GWB is a fag. Big deal.
>>689279586
>mark my words
oh we will, crazy guy on the internet
>>689279874
Rape.
>>689276351
No where in there is that he was part of Isis, k
>>689279874
>>689279394
And yet you needed our help from Germany. i thought Europe was a big place bud. don't cry for help if you are going to bash us on our guns.
>>689279806
And criminals could be prosecuted before they commit a given crime.
>>689276351
Want gun laws stricter? Amend the constitution. Until then STFU.
Dude was Blue Pelican. MK ULTRA SHIT.
>>689281019
Canada actually has semi decent gun laws - the problems the americans have is the fact that at any time a bureaucrat could say "I dont like it" and ban a gun under the canadian system, which they have done.
>>689280330
Why would you do that? You can go to a gun show and buy one legally with no background check. The only black market for guns are for illegal modifications. Now if we were to ban them, THEN there would be a huge black market.
>>689279226
American culture is deeply ingrained in the idea that the world is a scary place and you need to be constantly prepared to defend yourself with lethal force.
The Democratic Republic of the Congo has 5.2 gun deaths per 100,000, while the USA, a fully functioning first world country with a police force, legal system, and system of government and economy has 4.5 per 100,000.
The American system is garbage. The idea is to solve violence with self-defense, when in reality it only spawns more violence. This shooter bought the gun completely legally, despite his background. Were questions asked? Absolutely, but did that stop the purchase? Nope.
American's lock their doors because they're afraid someone will break in and steal from their home and kill them. They openly carry guns under the impression that one day, they'll have to use it to kill someone. That's the culture around guns: shoot the person attacking you before they potentially kill you.
It has almost nothing to do with the guns themselves, though. Guns are just a quick method to kill someone, if guns hadn't been invented and America was in the same mindset, knives or another weapon would be the problem.
America is a shithole because of the society and the people, not because of guns. They're taught from birth that every time you're out in the dark there's a big scary gun ready to jump on you and kill you. At this point, though, they're right for thinking that way. The problem was fixable 50 years ago, but not anymore.
>>689280070
how about comparing the US to non third world countries, theres little point in comparing hampsters to lions to see who can eat a cow fastest.
>>689281347
Canada is part of Blue Pelican.
>>689276351
>Military grade.
Nope. Semis are not military grade. Fully auto only. Learn the terms fag.
>>689280963
Prohibition to alcohol is different to guns, one is a drink the other is a weapon. I get what you mean but it's like drastically different when it comes to why it needs to be done.
>>689280302
top kek
>>689278841
kek'd so hard i shit my toilet
>>689279666
Satanic trips don't lie. The 2 party system in American politics literally stops anything from getting done on the subject. The time to fix it was a looooong fucking time ago, it's faaaaar too long now.
>>689280302
top kek
>>689280070
Strawman argument since the only countries compared to the US are shitholes with no quality of life
>>689281196
I'd like to see the Europeans crying for America to save them from the shitskin invasion when they finally realize how deep of a fucking hole they got themselves dug into.
Then, to see America respond with "No, you didn't want us to keep our guns, why should we use them to help you?"
I want to see the European tears. I really do. It's going to happen, Anon, it'll happen... And it will be great.
>>689279713
Thank you! Saved and will repost where needed
>>689281019
I ashamed that you are an American you fucking ignorant swine. Why dont you look at the big picture of those countries, overall violent crime and murder rates and tell me if anything has changed.
>>689281369
Not true. There is no gunshow loophole. The 'loophole' has nothing to do with the gunshow itself.
Under us law if you are in the business of selling firearms you must have an FFL, and thus MUST do a background check. If you are a vendor at a gunshow you MUST have an FFL. The 'loophole' comes in when a private citizen comes in to sell their private firearm in a state where private selling is legal. It is like a swap meet at that point.
>>689279999
https://www.deepdotweb.com/questions/question/black-market-guns-scam-or-real/
Here I'll just leave this here for any autistic anon who thinks daddy government should take away our goons
>>689281273
Yeah I agree the need to abolish the 2nd amendment
>>689280738
no I don't think that it would've stopped the killer, however it would've been a significant deterrant. Why does every American seem to use the logic that it was going to happen anyway so lets do nothing about it.
>>689281480
>Blue Pelican.
??
>>689280770
Actually, after Australia banned some guns they saw less of an decrease in murders than America did over the same period and while America saw a decrease in violent crime, Australia saw an increase. So if you're going to draw conclusions from the two, statistically speaking, gun bans have no effect on murder rates but they increase violent crime.
>>689281019
Sure cut the number of gun death, but there's just as many murders. I don't give a shit about "gun crimes", it's crime in general that should be stopped.
>>689279363
Underated posts eurofags have no response
>>689276351
to be fair, if the current laws were enforced, all of these things would stop him from obtaining a firearm.
Every point that image lists is something that already disqualifies you. New laws aren't needed, current laws need to be enforced.
>>689279713
>4.5 per 100,000
>Democratic Republic of the Congo, AKA Niggerville only has 5.2 per 100,000
You're right anon, that graph is definitely useful when compared to other countries as proof that America does, in fact, have a gun problem.
>>689280070
none of those countries are even in the bronze age yet
>>689282037
Of course not, their continent isn't nearly as shitty. They might have sand niggers coming in and raping their women and shit, but they aren't cucked into having to be "politically correct".
>>689281977
I didn't say that, I said gun violence is almost non existent.
>>689281210
what?!
you cannot prosecute someone BEFORE they commit anything
Are you mind police?
>>689279713
But the population now is quintuple that of the population in 1900. Which obviously skews these statistics.
>>689281625
its going to take something on the level of a civil war to change it now, but the american people are way to Apathetic, lazy and worried more about there own personal little social bubbles these days to ever start one
>>689280973
I don't think you understand a basic cost-benefit analysis. What good does gun ownership do: absolutely nothing. What is the cost to the public: Some cunt shooting up a public place every couple of months
>>689282309
Explain how population increases skew the data in a per capita graph?
>>689281791
Not true. Private citizens can sell at gun shows. And they can sell online. There are over 100 guns for sale in my town right now without a background check. The loophole doesn't require a gun show, but that's still the name used to commonly refer to the loophole. Arguing semantics doesn't make it go away.
>>689279713
Cool chart, seriously. I love charts like this. This sort "opposite of what you'd expect" phenomenon occurs right across society and economics. Elliot wave theory, my m8. I guess an example would be 3rd wave feminism and "rape culture" when women have never had it so good and rape is at an all time low.
>>689282568
Population density (not the same fag)
but even then, we've been going down on gun murders
>>689276351
It was the gun though, right? Nothing at all to do with religious extremism.
Side note: Anyone else noticing that the killer's picture gets a little whiter every time the media shows it? Same picture, but I swear his skin gets a little whiter every time I see it posted on a "news" outlet. Weird.
>>689279713
>>689282096
Homicide rate in the Congo is 13.5
United States is 3.8
If you're going to lie at least make it something that takes me more than 30 seconds to fact check.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
>>689282480
whoops wrong image.
>>689282281
lol, so you're suggesting that it's ok if you make violence go up and just as many people die, as long as it's not with guns?
>>689282480
is the left one the race of the person shooting or the person being shot?
>>689282592
>The 'loophole' comes in when a private citizen comes in to sell their private firearm in a state where private selling is legal.
Pls read
>>689276351
Because criminals obey the law, right?
>>689282592
Not sure what the law is in your state, but in mine a private seller can be prosecuted for selling a gun to someone as a strawman purchase or to someone who is not legally allowed to own guns.
So in my state if you sell your guns privately without doing a background check, you could end up in jail yourself
>>689280327
except we in technicality have a registry via the BATFE form 4473.
even then regristration, banning, or anything else you morons can half bake up will not work.
as the manufacture of firearms let alone CBRN agents which can be hundreds of times more effective and efficient is very easy to do. all the while is undetectable without Orwellian levels of surveillance and populace control.
punishing those of us that abide by the laws do nothing to deter those that dont.
>>689282904
Plus, when it comes to online, unless they meet in person they would have to mail the gun from one FFL to the other, inwhich a background check is required. even in my state of WA Universal background checks are required - but only law abiding citizens care about that.
>>689281874
laws rarely deter this violent of a crime; it simply gives the justice system a means to prosecute said crimes
>>689282895
That's how liberals think.
Results aren't as important as feelings are to them, mostly because they're stupid.
>>689282592
See in Australia to buy a gun LEGALLY you need to already have a license which involves police checks etc, then a permit to aquire which you send to the gov and they accept or deny it then you go to a dealer, guns have to be sold through a dealer so there is a paper trail of the gun changing hands and everything gets documented and 6months later you get a gun
>>689282096
You sure its the guns that are the problem?
>>689282450
Did you seriously just suggest that gun ownership does no good? Google defensive gun use statistics. You might as well be arguing that vaccines do no good but cause autism. Fucking retard.
He also worked for a security firm tasked with defending US Gov't buildings.
To them, it was business as usual for him to get an AR-15
>>689283090
True, but the 4473s are only kept at the gunshop it was filled out at. There is no national registry of 4473s.
>>689276351
Oklahoma City killed 170 people, should we ban fertilizer and diesel?
I always thought America's gun laws were the government's sneaky way of its population control policy?
>>689282450
>I don't think you understand a basic cost-benefit analysis
If you actually cared about cost-benefit you'd be beating down the door to get self driving cars (32,474 automobile fatalities 2014), improve the health of the country (614,000 heart-related deaths every year), and push for better sexual education (STD's cost the American healthcare system roughly $17 billion dollars a year).
But no, your biggest concern about the cost on us taxpayers is some retarded towelhead gunning down a nightclub full of fags (that probably could have been stopped had the nightclub not been a gun free zone). Get your head out of your ass and at least have the decency to call it what it is, because it sure as shit isn't a "cost benefit analysis".
>>689280299
who said anything about muslims you dick
>>689283321
Keeps the nigger count down since they are mostly the ones killing each other, and lets the whites defend themselves against the niggers.
>>689283231
Exactly.
When you subtract Black initiated murders form the stats, America suddenly becomes one of the safest countries in the world.
Go figure.
Can we implement this at gun stores?
>>689279020
why the fuck do they let any muslim buy a gun in america? this shit is cray.
>>689276351
Well it seems this event will atleast keep you tards busy for a good solid week maybe more
>>689279713
AHAHAHAHA. "See, not that many people get killed by guns". Are you retarded, thats not an argument for guns. What are you trying to say? That you don't mind sacrificing a few of your countrymen if it means you get to keep muh guns?
>>689283321
Who needs birth control and universal health care when you can get them to kill themselves!
>>689282763
I believe that chart is murders in general also, not just ones committed with guns
>>689278666
Then why pass any laws about anything if people will just do what they want? Go do everyone a favor and set yourself on fire you retarded nigger Jew.
>>689279502
the 'war on drugs' was a government plot to make local police remove drugs off the street so the CIA could charge more for the drugs they were importing from Columbia. Just another reason to not bend over and give up a fighting chance at living a free life.
>>689283556
Largely more people defend themselves with firearms in the US than are attacked with firearms. If you take out gang activity.
>>689283486
Too true.
>>689283218
Ok, well since Australia saw a net increase in violent crime and no decrease in murder rate relative to the U.S. in the years following their gun laws, I guess we know they don't do any good. See that's how statistical analysis works. You don't just do something and then look at a trend afterward. You compare the place where you did something to the places where you didn't and compare the difference. If places that enacted strict gun laws saw LESS of a decrease in crime than places that enacted no gun laws, then enacting gun laws is said to have correlated with a net increase in crime.
Buttercup, this is serious stuff
>>689276351
50 faggots and a muslim died today so basically there was no loss of life. Shame you weren't killed as well.
are assualt rifles even legal in florida?
>>689283579
True, it is just homicides. But it is also true that gun crime in the US is down. It is just that anytime something like this happens people freak out. when what gun control measure would have stopped this licensed security guard from snapping?
>>689283758
If just making laws worked, then wouldn't the current laws against murder already have fixed this problem?
>>689279301
i bet the jews wish they had guns. Shame that they got slowly and slowly stolen from by the government till they were finally burned in ovens. But know I get it. People just "like" guns. It isn't for their practical uses of protection.
What did he even use in the attack anyways? an AR? I heard he was a security guard, did he do it all with just a pistol?
>>689276351
I don't understand why American democrats don't just take over the NRA. ALL you idiots have to do is join the NRA, pay the membership dues and then you all get to vote on who runs the organization. 10 million democrats flash mob the NRA and then nominate and elect Michael Moore as President.
Problem solved.
>>689283333
kek thinking the word 'cost' refers to the exact dollar value of gun related violence. I'm talking about the cost of lives of the American population
Honestly I don't care about the fags and queers that died shows them right for always boasting that they're gay
>>689283939
Fukn kek
>>689283898
They also went from mass shootings to arsons.
>>689278344
This is b8
>>689278655
Or you know... Right? Just because your faggot ass does not agree with it does not make it edgy.
>>689284080
Because Democrats don't like actually doing anything. They like whining and feeling morally superior.
>>689276351
Europigs acting like their opinion of the United States somehow matters. We don't care what you think or how you feel.If ONE of those pole smokers was packing, they could have shut that guy off the second he opened up. Criminals will always get firearms, we need guns...more guns.
>>689283556
>That you don't mind sacrificing a few of your countrymen if it means you get to keep muh guns?
Yes, the capacity of the people for armed rebellion against the state is our final safeguard against state tyranny and once you let the state declaw you then you have little chance of being able to reclaim your right to self defense.
At present my government is using the NSA to spy on all of its citizens without warrants, we are constantly involved in asinine foreign wars and the President has being using robots (drones) to kill people in 8 countries simultaneously solely on his own authority.
And you're telling me that now is the time that I should trust the state so implicitly that I should allow them to render the people completely powerless?
I don't think so.
>>689284143
>cost of lives
>cares more about 50 people than the tens, if not hundreds of thousands, who die from the things I listed above.
Good reading comprehension.
>>689284080
You just shut up. You shut your fucking hole right this instant.
>>689284080
Shhhhhh
>>689284080
Because Democrats are inherently stupid sjw
>>689283964
Exactly. This guy could've legally acquired firearms in Australia, and their gun laws make the UK look like a great place to own guns. Even if they were all illegal, he could've just gotten/built on illegally, built a bomb, used a knife/sword, etc.
>>689281019
Mate I'm from Australia don't drag us into your little cuck argument.
Bottom line is this cunt was a fucking muslim and would have done it by any means not just a gun.
Look at France and most of Europe, all cucked my refugees raping and murdering.
Fuck off
>>689276351
Only a government shill would want to disarm the public when they are opening up the flood gates for unfettered immigration.
Don't be fucking retarded.
>>689278655
I grew up in Miami. I'm honestly surprised they didn't.
Florida must have changed a lot since my time there.
>>689284080
They just want to complain, if they actually fixed things by passing laws that might actually work, they wouldn't have anything to complain about anymore.
guns make it easier for people to kill people.
>>689283959
"assault rifles" aren't legal anywhere, not without an NFA stamp. what the libs like to call an "assault rifle" is just a scary-looking semiautomatic rifle.
>>689278841
ZOZZLEEEE ;DDDDddd
if people are going to push to have anything completely outlawed and eradicated, it should be religion. some mentally deficient fucktard acting out the will of their imaginary friend is the actual problem. get rid of nonsensical belief systems that just encourage killing in the name of god-induced bigotry, and the world is automatically a much better place.
>>689284080
Wait, this seems like it might actual work. Why hasn't this been done?
>>689283282
while true, it takes a 5 minute phone call from a BATFE branch office for those forms to be prepared for collection and review. which is legal under current laws.
now as to how the hell this guy passed NICS is a different story
>>689279465
Underrated post
>>689284391
Exactly. In the us we have a people problem.
>>689284080
This. Holy shit this is a good idea.
>>689284452
It was also a fag club
>>689283898
Source please
>>689283498
Implement.... Everywhere!!
>>689284080
O shut up you fucking cuck, only 10 of these fags would've died if they were packing more than fudge.
>>689284452
Well they were gay and thus predominantly liberal.
If he'd tried to attack a Red Neck bar he would have got lit the fuck up.
>>689276351
he was a licensed security officer who passed various psychological and background checks and had hour of training. He was passed on by the feds most likely so they would not be accused of racial stereotyping. How's it feel to know that your sides agenda cost all those people their lives? and you have the sack to try to peg this as a gun control issue. he passed all the requirements and worked in security the kind of guy your side says should be the ones with guns. and the authorities couldn't pursue anything on him because your side says its profiling if they try to restrict a believed risk because its somehow racist to identify a possible militant islamist as a potential terrorist. You as much as anyone OP are guilty in those peoples deaths if this isn't a troll.
>>689284080
Delete this you fucking fagot.
>>689284547
Yeah, but they don't have a national registry of them. And how this guy got past the other background checks to be a security guard too.
>>689276351
Yeah here in Europe we have VERY strict gun laws. and here we don't have similar shootings right?????
/sarcasm
gun laws don't help faggot.
>>689281019
I'm Canadian and own several firearms that libcucks would piss themselves in the presence of because they look so scawy. VZ-58, TAR-21 and TAR-21. They're all civilian legal, semi-auto versions of current issue military assault rifles that I bought completely legally after completing a joke of a safety course one weekend. They are not required to be registered and though semi-auto, centrefire rifle magazines are limited by law to containing only five rounds most of the magazines sold for these rifles, legally sold in Canada, are 30 round magazines with a single aluminum rivet blocking the travel of the follower. Three seconds with a cordless drill and I'd be ready to rock 30 rounds.
There's plenty of these rifles in Canada so it's pretty clear that the firearms aren't the problem. Fucked up people are the problem.
>>689284421
Spoken like a true VB drink!
>>689284793
Thank you my frosty brother.
>>689284080
This just in... Millions of democrats join the NRA, effectively taking over the organization. More at 11.
>>689284781
Meant to type T-97 instead of the second TAR-21. Pretty tired.
>>689283218
thats how it is in new york
>>689284452
Florida fag here. They haven't changed.
I've had a gun pulled on me in fucking Naples for no reason other than I was walking home from a bar at night.
>>689278159
>current year
>newspapers
>>689284391
You dont kill 50 fags with a knife
>>689284286
are you that delusional that you think the US government would start intentionally killing it's own citizens. I would like to see a war between the citizens of the US and its fully armed government and see who wins. Protip: it's not you.
The fight against a tyrannical government was lost about 100 years ago.
>>689284080
because one out of 2 home in the usa has guns and many are democrats. don't mistake democrats for the far left progressive nutjobs that control hollywood and the media. real people have to live in the real world with real risks for them and their families.
>>689280674
it was a gay club
>they were already popping caps in each other
>>689276351
What ethnicity is this cunt?
>>689284698
Kek, my sides
>>689276351
"muh gun free zones"
>>689283898
there was a huge decrease in mass shootings, as in there hasn't been one since. Logic plz next time
>>689285256
a sub race of nigger, that is all you need to know.
>>689284080
1) most democrats couldn't afford the $25 membership fee
2) the media has successfully ingrained in their minds that NRA = evil
3) some democrats, believe it or not, actually *gasp* own guns!
the most they might actually do is start some hashtag supporting this idea, and then tweet it all over the place until they feel better about themselves.
>>689285256
Looks like a cholo fucking spic. It was Miami so this is most likely correct.
Not even going to argue whether gun control is needed or not until 1 person can tell me any sort of plan to collect even 50% of the guns in the country that doesn't lead to mass rioting. Never heard a single plan that would work, until someone can come up with one this whole discussion is pointless.
>>689285228
exactly.
imagine if you walked into a bar with the intention of killing, but in one scenario you have only your hands to use for killing, while the other you have the aid of a gun.
obviously the one with a gun will have more casualties and deaths.
>>689285228
You kill them with aids
>>689279454
yeah, and the tradeoff for that situation where everyone is armed = everyone is fucking armed and more than 50 people die over the long term because people are retards
Isis is killing liberals and fags and they are getting mad at the nra and christians This is hilarious, you cant make this shit up. Keep up the pulse isis, your doing allahs work :)
>>689278724
Yeah but what if 10 persons play hero, how you know who's the good guy?
>>689281412
uh they are ethnically purging people in congo.
10/10 troll
>>689284319
You're just missing my point, all those things you listed are just as important to me. However, because this problem is comparatively smaller doesn't mean it's not a problem and you can ignore it
>>689285256
he's afghan don't you people read the news?
>>689276351
If only this guys name was in a gun registry, the FBI surely would have been able to stop him. Just admit you want to ban guns already. Or at least tell me what "gun reform" would have prevented this.
>>689276351
No I don't think we need gun reform and I'm pretty damn left. I think we lefties should be armed. And especially those of us who are frequently targets of violence. Minorities. LGBT. etc. And probably women to put a quick end to attempted rape or physical abuse.
Ironically the message claims to be from occupy. Seems to me when peaceful unnamed protesters get their teeth kicked in or worse... Maybe we should protest while openly armed. The teatards never got assaulted by police because they are armed as shit and police don't want to assault someone who can defend themselves.
As for the current sorry, it's what 50 dead 42 injured? Pretty sure that would have been far lower if the gay guys where armed... Even just a few.
>>689278390
And why is they so unreasonable? I know you have magical dreams of a gun free utopia where everyone loves each other. In reality even if you COULD get rid of all guns (without simply creating another black market and all the accompanying problems) people would kill each other many other ways. In this car likely ways to kill many in a club would include arson and home made explosives.
Violence is a social disease and cannot be fixed with another prohibition.
>>689279363
this highlights how ineffective "shall issue" states are. if you don't have the training and experience, its just a paperweight.
>>689280070
>bottom of the top 30 countries
>there are 196
>rank 28 out of 196, where #1 is the worst
oh gee USA, sure got me there... :^)
>>689285238
Modern militaries don't do so well against guerilla tactics. Just to clear that up.
A well regulated militia would keep the guns in the town armory, fyi. You know, like they do in Switzerland and other countries with high "gun ownership" and low gun deaths.
>>689285521
put a stop to selling ammunition of any kind
put penalties for owning a gun if you are registered gun owner
impose fines and jailtime to any person found in possession of gun for any crime.
there's a shit ton they can do
>>689285813
>doesn't mean it's not a problem
Now that I actually will agree with. I'm all for increased mental health checks, background checks, forcing sharing of information between state systems on the federal level for said background/mental checks.
I just think the idea of "just get rid of all guns" is laughable.
>>689285238
>are you that delusional that you think the US government would start intentionally killing it's own citizens
No because if they did, then the next day every lobbyist, politician, and CEO would have a fucking bullet in their head.
I'd say that's a far more concrete safeguard against tyranny then blindly trusting my government to be just now and for generations to come.
> I would like to see a war between the citizens of the US and its fully armed government and see who wins.
I see so your contention is that a motivated Guerilla force is powerless against a modern army? Well by all means go tell ISIS and the Afghans that they're wasting their time and have no chance and while you're at it go tell the fucking Vietnamese that they lost.
There are 100 MILLION gun owners in the United States.
I like those odds.
>>689278666
You retarded fuck.
The drug laws set the price for the drugs on the street... The more stringent the law, the higher the price, the more the risk becomes worth it.
Prohibition is the entire reason you are flooded with drugs you retarded cock knocker
>>689285604
Genius. You guys have solved the problem!
Now we just hope radical Islamists never learn how to make explosives.
Oh, wait...
>>689285779
