This is not a "TrollThread" this is a warning. Please, I am begging you, please turn your life over. "Why?" is what you're thinking, right? If you don't, you WILL burn. Hell was never meant for humanity, but if we don't set our path straight, we will go there. The Bible tells us, Wide is the path to destruction, narrow is the path to Heaven. Please, try it. If you're an atheist, I understand faith issues. Correct those faith issues with a trial. Go a little while worshiping Jesus. He will help you.
gtfo newfag
>>688826639
Take your religion and shove it where it belongs, up your ass with all your other shit Christfag
>>688826639
I'm already a seminarian for the Roman Catholic Church.
>>688826827
7 year user, actually.
>>688827193
Um, not Cathlic....... you are aware that the pope changes the Catholic bible as he pleases, right? Also, the bible tells us call no other man "Father" (Besides our father and our father which is in heaven)
>>688827394
ooh, you're so smart.
Prove what you said, and tell me why there are more versions of the Bible around than Microsoft Windows.
>>688827624
There are more because many people want wealth and use religion to obtain said wealth.. Ex. Pope: Uh, yeah, god done told me to take yall's money... so.... yall better listen to god..
My God is a loving God, and do your research, KJV was made after a team of scholars translated the actual bible from the jewish language.
>>688826639
Oh, you poor lost soul. Please turn to Islam as soon as you can, and stop trying to cause more people to stray from the path.
>>688828865
There is no "Peaceful" god that would encourage flying planes into buildings. Now the Lord rebuke you. Begone
>>688829114
You blasphemous sinner; who are you to speak on behalf of the Lord?
>>688829367
I'm sorry? I don't speak of Allah.
>>688829367
And yes, I am a sinner... We all are
>>688829485
>>688829573
I'm a Christian...Second year of seminary...
Don't claim to follow Christ, and then presume to speak for whom you follow.
>>688830429
Explain (Also, nice to see a brother going to semnary)
>>688830429
OH! YOU MEAN WHEN I SAID THE LORD REBUKE YOU, yeah, Bible tells us to do as such. When satan messes with you, you tell him "The Lord rebuketh you, get thee behind."
To the guy talking King James, you're wrong. It was translated from Latin, in accordance with King James's wishes. Therefore, it was translated, then re-translated, after having already been translated by the Catholics and, let's be real, there is a long history in the early Christian church of the Catholics conveniently leaving things out of the bible, or adding in books of specious origin....
If you want an English bible that's as accurate as possible, I believe the NIV is the closest translation, as it uses the original Greek texts.
BTW, I find it funny that, not only do you not know that the "Jewish language" is Hebrew, you don't know that a great deal of the new testament was really written in Greek...
Your God is a loving God, but you should probably get a bit firmer in the facts of your faith before trying to come into a den of wolves.
Do you think you're actually going to convert anyone by threatening eternal torture in hell for not believing in a retarded book? Atheists don't believe in hell, threatening us with it means nothing.
>>688826639
tits or GTFO
>>688830962
HELP, I'VE RUN OUT OF COMEBACKS AND I CAN'T GET UP. No, but seriously, thank you for the correction :)
>>688831128
You don't wanna see my tits....
>>688826639
>This is not a "TrollThread"
>>688827938
yea, yea, money, wealth, Bible Inc. on NASDAQ, yea.
>>688828865
sorry, I've got no explosives
>>688829114
it was an insider job, but you're correct - neocons and jews don't have a Peaceful God
>>688830700
we're actually two in this thread.
>>688830987
only Protestants believe that the "retarded book" is everything.
Actual salvation comes from the Sacraments.
And the only valid Sacraments are in the Roman Catholic Church.
>>688826639
So you think I deserve eternal torment for my lack of belief?
>>688831232
Do tell, why do you think that the Pope's decisions should effect your life? Does that not then make him a god? Or do you not believe that there is only ONE God, our father which is in heaven.
It's funny because you're wrong.
When we die, there will be no angels to carry you to heaven, there will be no devils to drag you to hell.
You're going to suffer the same drab emptyness of death just like everyone else, and when you realize that, it'll crush you.
>>688831424
No, Of course not, but It will happen if you don't except Jesus in the end (I don't mean deathbed.)
>>688826639
http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm
>>688831567
What will be crushing is standing before God and hearing "Depart from me, I never knew you."
>>688826639
What is the path to heaven? Be specific.
a jewish god for jewish people, i'm not a jew, also jesus was a man, his brothers and sister would of vouched for this but sadly they are no longer with us
>>688831765
turn left at mcdonalds and about 3 miles up
>>688831765
Serving Jesus. Knowing that he is Lord and following his way of life. I'm not saying be perfect, or close to it, but serve him.
>>688831791
And the Bible says that Jews are his chosen people and in the end they will see that Christ is the messiah
i love you all
peace be with you
>>688832018
How is man to know that there is not his creator?
>>688831868
How can i know he is lord when insufficient evidence has been provided to justify my belief?
Since those who look at a woman have committed adultery (Matt 5:28) and I have to kill adulterers (Levi 20:10) Should i kill everyone who watches porn or in a strip club?
>>688832126
>>688832126
How is man to know that there is not leprechauns?
>this whole thread
>>688832159
>>688832159
I mean obviously i would have to do that after confession so i would be without Sin, but i think i could manage the trip from Church to strip club without sinning.
>>688832159
No,no,no. :)
Um, Perhaps there is no evidence because you havn't opened your heart yet. Maybe this is your calling. Maybe you came to this thread because God was telling you to. Jesus is knocking at your heart right now. There is a time when it's too late. Take this opportunity. As I said, A Trial
>>688832399
Hey, don't hear the catholic. There is NO MAN without sin. No matter how many "HailMarys" You do.
>>688831594
Congratulations, you have a stronger moral compass than God.
>>688832432
I have opened my heart. Went to church for years, sought guidance. But i kept thinking "but theres no good evidence, and it works without that theory"
How should i kill my disobediant child? (Matthew 15:4-7)
I'll believe..... if Jesus personally comes down from heaven and let's me shit on him
>>688832565
"Isaiah 43:25I, I am He who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins."
John 20:21-23:
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
How can there be no forgiveness on earth when jesus says that there can be?
>>688832645
Listen. I had faith issues too. Y'know who that is giving them to you? Satan. He wants to win you over and he is working on you as I am working on you, so the choice is yours Anon.
>>688832875
>>688832875
How can Satan affect my mind? Isnt that defying God-given free will? How can he cause these thoughts, mid-prayer and within a church?
>>688832865
I didn't say no forgivness. There is forgiveness, otherwise we would never see the light of heaven. I said there is no holy man
>>688832875
Also How do i kill my disobedient child?
>>688826639
OP is right guys. It's just about time to turn a new leaf.
>>688832988
Then if my sins are forgiven i am without sin and am free to stone adulterers am i not?
>>688832956
Because Satan is very much alive on this earth right now. In church is where he is most active, just like he is active now. He is scared he will lose you as a number count for hell and that is all you are to him. To God, you're unique, and worth the time of day.
>>688831969
what according to the Jewish writings, isnt that like mothers growing up telling their children they are special, but if i was to take up a religion it probably would be judaism not some doctored version created to keep morons happy and docile
>>688826639
I grew up a Christian. Then I grew up.
>>688833167
How do you know the mind of Satan and the mind of God? Is knowing the mind of God not like placing the ocean in a cup?
Why doesnt god place faith in my mind since the devil can plant rational thought?
>>688832399
If you intend to kill them, then that's probably a sin \/('-' )\/
>>688833272
He dosn't place faith because you don't allow him to. Also, I don't claim to know the mind of either, I just know what the bible says.
>>688833167
Why, if God wants me so badly, doesnt he kill Satan?
I'm not religious anymore, my dad was a pentecostal minister and made me go to church till I was 18. The two things that do make me wonder is
1. If it's all made up, why did the apostles go to their deaths, many horribly, for something false?
2. Why do "tongues" as in speaking in tongues have the same goobly gook words to matter what part of the planet you are. It's weird, someone speaking in tongues in Virginia uses some of the same words as someone in Ghana. It's fucked up
>>688833399
I will go there free of intent and only kill them if i observe them breaking the laws
>>688833404
I say it now "I allow god to place faith within me"
>>688833406
Because if there was nothing but good, where would be our free will, also, he wants loyal servants,
if god is all knowing then how did his favourite angel deceive him and become so bad
Dear of hell is the worst motivation. You encourage cowards to join the ranks. The nonfaith just are turned away because if what you say about the fallen nature of man is true, then we should accept our just punishment. The thinking man is turned away because you are threatening and cajoling, which is enough, but you go a step further by using immaterial carrots and sticks. Logic dictates your position be ignored.
Your compassion campaign only works on the weak and powerless. This is the weakness of Catholics. Maybe you should man up and verse yourself in Calvinism.
>>688833467
1. If Christianity is true, why do Islamics blow themselves up for something false? If there is some kind of god, why did Socrates drink poison for the false position that there is none?
People can be wrong.
2. the language centre of the brain is the same for all humans, and babies make identical sounds and cries the world over before language.
>>688833504
I don't think you mean that Anon. Don't close this and go to porn, try serving him for a little while. I mean actually serving him, not half ass-ing it
The fact that your version of God believes "eternal punishment" is a suitable punishment for crimes is enough for me to know that I'd never worship him.
>>688833655
Free will my friend
>>688833532
There would be Neutral. There would be exceptional good (martyrs and self sacrificing heroes) and ordinary good.
Our free will is intact without evil.
And Satan altering my mind is fucking with free will.
>>688833167
Worth the time of day, until he sends you to hell for not loving him.
Or, to put this another way:
You live with a man, he tells you that he loves you, that you're unique, that he created the house you live in all for you. But if you don't love him back, he's going to lock you in the basement, where you'll be tortured for the rest of eternity in the worst ways imaginable.
In real life, we would call this man an abusive lunatic. You, apparently, call him God.
>>688833739
Mmm, God will destroy this earth and make a new. Where else is he supposed to put the evil?
>>688833718
I dont care what you think. I know i was sincere and god failed to place any faith in me.
>>688833913
Temporary punishment depending on the severity of the crime. No crime, no matter how big or small, deserves eternal fire.
>>688833886
Why should he allow the evil into heaven, then what better is heaven than earth. God can't look apon sin, therfore he can't allow the evil into his home.
>>688833913
A third earth.
Leave them on the old earth.
Heaven, since everyone will be on the new earth.
Mars.
Back in time.
Another solar system with an M-class planet.
A plane of existence that isnt a lake of fire, maybe one of grey mist
obliterate them
>>688833957
TRIAL, brother.... Jesus loves you. :)
>>688834059
Refusing to love or believe in God is evil, then?
>>688834137
IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE PUNISHMENT, TAKE THE REWARD!
>>688834059
If he cant look upon* sin then, how does he know we sin? If he can't look upon sin, then he isnt omniscient. If he cant look upon sin then how can he know what to forgive?
>>688826639
Fun facts:
>1. Christianity, Islam and Judaism basically all believe the same things and all endorse racism,sexism, homophobia, slavery and genocide.
>2. Unless the Babylonian gods are divine, the basic morality taught by these religions was already being taught without god. Most people don't want themselves or those they care about killed, hurt or robbed.
>3. There is little corroborating historical evidence jesus existed and none that he was magical. This is not to say jesus didn't exist, most historians acknowledge that Jesus was a real prophet. However, while most people don't have a historical record, someone who walked on water and made the blind see would have.
>4. While Jesus had a good message, it was not original or particularly insightful. Love thy neighbor is common sense and was a common theme for prophets at the time.
>5. Jesus did not renounce any part of the OT. Instead he endorsed it. Matthew 5:17-19
>6. According to the bible Jesus's reason for becoming man was the fulfillment of the OT prophecy and the forgiveness of sins. Without the OT there is no need for Jesus to be made man. Also, without the OT virtually nothing is a sin since what are sins are found in the OT.
>7. The bible codifies archaic morality of 2500 years ago. The fact that most Christians don't agree with the bible's teachings regarding slavery and women being property, speaks about mankind's ability to evolve morality and against religion's effectiveness at teaching it.
>8. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all make scientific claims which have been disproven. All of these religions have a history of persecuting those who disprove these claims.
>>688834201
No... Well..... I don't know, but look, He won't take you if you don't take him in.
>>688834264
Jesus can
>>688834253
No. If i dont agree with the punishment i choose to campaign against it. Im not a cowering slave to be bullied. I tell you, if i make it into heaven i shall not spend one moment of eternity in peace, but rather at war with God until the evil of Hell is removed.
if god was real
and it stupid even writing that line
then he was a child doing childish things
right now hes off at school or college like in toy story 3 and he's forgot about us, to busy plowing over god girls, and he's left us arguing over the most unworthy of god to lead us
>>688834169
>>688834169
I trialled for 20 years and he failed me. Why is god so bad at converting me? He had an entire childhood of me in his faith.
>>688834412
And so long as you have that mind set, God won't let you in. Try to rebel aginst him..... Try....
>>688834395
Then why doesnt Jesus, who is God, allow the evil into heaven in an act of Turning the Other Cheek
>>688833702
You may be correct with the tongues thing but I think the Islamic comparison is incorrect. I just can't see some of the brutality that was inflicted on some of the apostles being the same. I think, for instance, Paul was crucified upside down because he said he wasn't worthy to die like his savior or whatnot. I don't know, it's weird.
Personally I believe scientifically now. We die, we go back to the particles we are made of when we decay away. We become part of the earth around us. Maybe we one day become human again, at least part of us. We are all made of stardust, we are all connected from the big bang.
>>688834487
Stay loyal. I've had minimal evidence as well, but the Lord will provide.
>>688834522
Then God is an evil bullying dictator. He allows suffering to happen and refuses to hear dissent.
How is arguing with him rebellion?
Hey listen up.
All you preaching one way or the other (for or against God) are idiots.
I am religious but not to the point of being a fanatic.
Everyone is not going to burn in hell. If you read the bible and adhere to it you would know this.
For you non-believers; really what do you believe in.
It costs you nothing to believe in a higher power.
I do believe that the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word.
But think about that statement.
>The Bible is man's interpretation of God's word.
Which means that every time the Bible is translated or interpreted it has morphed or changed to suit the editor's beliefs.
You know right from wrong. You know it when you are doing it. How you live your life is your business.
There are no atheists in a foxhole.
>>688834544
Turning the other cheek is walking away, not arguing, and I suppose that's what I'm not doing right now, but I felt compelled by God to keep going.
>>688834609
Yeah i know the myth about Paul. it doesnt matter. Him being wrong explains it.
>>688834620
>>688834620
He has done nothing to earn loyalty. Why does he not have to earn my trust, as any other being would?
>>688834721
Sending them to hell is NOT turning the other cheek.
>>688834630
Because there will be no arguing. What's done is done, you can't out wit God. It dosn't work that way.
>>688834782
I Don't have an answer for that. God dosn't tell us.
>>688826639
I come to you, child of God, to tell you of a cleansing of fire and steel. Soon the truth will be known by all.
The new era begins 6/17/20.
>>688826639
https://youtu.be/qNt77uaYW0E
You need to watch this, OP. (I'm Christian.)
All the religions of the world are a belief in the same higher power. They are all different because of locations around the planet and the cultures therein. We are only now seeing the similarities, the commonalities of them because we are so connected via the web. Perhaps we were seeded on this planet and very primitive us made the seeders into gods, I don't know
>>688834825
Do you want murderers, rapists, and so on in your home? Around your family? No? Well God dosn't either. And if all had equal reward, what would be the point in serving him?
>>688834717
>All you preaching are idiots
Then you are too
>I am religious but not to the point of being a fanatic.
Then youre still an idiot
>Everyone is not going to burn in hell. If you read the bible and adhere to it you would know this.
Every but christians definitely will. Most christians today will due to not repenting sins like adultery
>For you non-believers; really what do you believe in.
It costs you nothing to believe in a higher power
Time, dignity, scientific and social progress is what it costs me
>I do believe that the Bible is man's interpretation of God's word.
But think about that statement.
>The Bible is man's interpretation of God's word.
Which means that every time the Bible is translated or interpreted it has morphed or changed to suit the editor's beliefs.
You know right from wrong. You know it when you are doing it. How you live your life is your business
What evidence do you have that it is Gods word at all? Why not the Quran, Bhagavad Gita or Dianetics
>There are no atheists in a foxhole.
http://americanhumanist.org/humanism/I_Was_an_Atheist_in_a_Foxhole
>>688834630
There is no god, the reason he's a bullying dictator is so you're forced to become a christian and spread its word out of fear, you do it for long enough and you become convinced that it's a legitimate belief. I used to be a christian for those reasons, and I truly believed that there was a god who loved me unconditionally, but it's all bullshit. Everyone that says they "talk to god" is just talking to their own consciousness because they WANT to talk to god, but cannot, so they substitute it with what, to them, is the next best thing and convince themselves it IS god.
Even if god is real, there's no way I would worship him, he's a fucking asshole.
>>688834831
Then he is a bully and a coward who refuses to hear dissent
>>688834916
Then why do you give him loyalty? Fear of hell? do you think that fear is loyalty?
>>688834944
>6/17/20
Why do you say this? Link?
>>688835045
I want atheists, strippers and prostitutes in my home.
Not worried about murderers since ill have eternal life. God can stop the rapists raping in heaven since theres no free will anyway
>>688835125
BUT THAT'S THE THING! YOU ARN'T FORCED! YOU HAVE A CHOICE, TURN TO GOD OR DON'T, But you don't get to go live with God after denying him.
>>688835011
>>688835011
Please explain the similarity between the Asgardian pantheon and Yahweh
>>688835266
It's the obvious choice to pick god if you can convince yourself he's real, because who the fuck wants to burn in fire for eternity?
>>688835158
I don't fear hell, because I serve the Lord
>>688835266
Where was Jesus from 12 or whatever until he reappeared when he was 30?
>>688835266
>Believe or else you will suffer for eternity
isnt a choice. Thats duress.
>>688835345
Nobody, pick the right door brother. He's knocking.
>>688835373
Thus if you didnt, you would fear hell. So you serve out of fear. Do you think that God, knowing that, will accept you since youre doing it out of self serving cowardice rather than honest love and loyalty?
>>688835439
No, you have choice, belive, don't belive, each choice has an outcome.
>>688835345
What if you cant convince yourself that he is real, due to the brain he gave you?
>>688835387
got kidnapped by a pedo ring
he serviced some of the most educated men up untill he was 19 and then he recruited others after that, that's where is education come from
>>688835541
No, I don't. I serve because God is good
>>688835601
An outcome created by the man who created the choice
>Have sex with me or ill kill you
is a choice, have sex or dont, each choice has an outcome.
But its still fucking non-consensual sex
>>688835507
Fuck off my man, I respect that you believe in god but I don't, leave it at that.
If I were to believe in a higher power of some sort or an after life it definitely wouldn't be the one where I worship a fucking zombie jew who came to forgive the incestuous humans who listened to a snake and bit into a magic apple.
It's a fairy tail, just like Santa Clause or the Easter Egg Bunny, how people still convince themselves they're believing in the one and only true god boggles me.
>>688835643
Nobody has less of a chance then the next person.
>>688835328
Both Balder and Jesus die and are reborn. Hell is Norse and later referenced by Christians as damnation. While the Old Testament doesn’t support the idea of an after life, the Christian Church adopted the idea, somewhat because it was a common belief of the pagans it was trying to convert. The church in its syncretism - in its desire to convert as many people as possible to Christianity - in order to increase its wealth and prestige- absorbed many local beliefs. In so doing they became overwhelmed by the pagan religions they were trying to overcome. The Church would allow any pagan custom as long as these pagans would recognize the supremacy of Jesus Christ as the head god, with the Pope as his agent on earth.
An example of this syncretism: in Christianity, as well as Judaism and Islam, there is only one God. The angels were only heavenly manifestations, while the saints were just human intermediaries to the one true god. To accommodate the local religions based in polytheism, the pagan gods became Christian saints. The local population was allowed to worship them as intermediaries to the Trinity of Jesus, Jehovah God, and the Holy Ghost, the Three in One: three parts to the same god.
>>688835720
Thats not what you said.
Would you still serve God if he didnt send you to hell for not serving? Would you still serve God if he allowed everyone into heaven?
>>688835749
Your choice sucks balls, but it's still a choice.
>>688835643
Then you have nothing to worry about, you have no choice to make.
>>688835791
Okay. Then I'm done working on you. I will now wipe my feet clean an walk away.
Ps. Jesus still loves you, it's not too late.
>>688826639
Alright, so what am I supposed to do in order to get to heaven? Most of you christians can't give a straight answer, and when you can, you almost all disagree with each other.
Just believe in Jesus. No wait, you must also have good works. ACTUALLY NO, you must not have good works and if you do good works thinking it's required, you go to hell. SHIT NO NO HOLD ON, DON'T FORGET you've gotta be baptised. NO ACTUALLY don't get baptized thinking it will save you, that's a false addition to the gospel and will get you sent to hell! OH WAIT, you've gotta be born again (whatever that means). NO NO NO WAIT forget all that, you've gotta become a member of the catholic church and go to mass every sunday, and pray the rosary every day.
>>688835899
To add onto anon's question, would you serve god if only 10% of disciples made it into heaven?
>>688835899
Yes. My God is a loving God
>>688835899
this god sounds more like a god, yours just sounds like the devil in disguise
>>688836022
The guy who mows my lawn? I'll let him know you passed on the word, thanks <3
>>688835826
While Jehovah, the Old Testament God, promised land and a nation, he did not promise loot. The violence of the Norse gods was frequently directed towards taking from others by force of arms. This mentality has remained with our leaders even unto modern times. The wealthy have so much money that it makes the kings of old appear poverty stricken and yet they battle for more. Why? They say for Catholic, Christian, Moslem, or Jewish values; take your pick. However looting was not an excuse for war in the Old Testament. This raider mentality is instead reflected in the Nordic/Germanic mythology, which is at the root of Western Civilization.
The astute leaders of the European/American military aristocracy, frequently with genetic ties to the Germanic/Nordic raiders, have employed the Old Testament concept of the Divine Nation as a means to increase their loot. The kings, presidents, tsars, and prime ministers of the myriad political entities trick their subjects into war rather than lead them in just causes. Through the omnipresent propaganda the leaders successfully attempt to identify the emotions of their subjects with the good of the country. This is called patriotism and is considered a good emotion. Then the citizens are called upon to defend their country, which frequently means to attack another country. The leaders are not stirring up patriotism as a means of defense and cultural self-esteem, as much as they are goading their people on to acts of brutality against another culture. As we shall see this strategy was successful beyond expectations in the Crusades at the beginning of the 2nd Millennium, as well as in Iraqi Wars 1 and 2 led by the Bush Presidents at the beginning of the 3rd. As is evident our leaders have successfully employed this merger of the Divine militaristic nation building of the Old Testament with the Divine looting of the Scandinavian mythology to become rich beyond imagining and simultaneously attribute it to God’s Will.
>>688836042
FUCK GOOD WORKS, OKAY? THAT'S CATHOLIC BULLSHIT. Obey the Bible, I suggest either KJV or NIV
>>688835826
Balder isnt reborn.
Hell in christianity is a place, Hel or Hela is a god in Norse myth. Niflheim is not a place of 'damnation' or fire.
No pagan god became a christian saint. Angels predate monotheistic beliefs they werent post-hoc additions.
>>688836068
Yes.
>>688826639
>This is not a "TrollThread"
all threads are troll threads
>>688835912
And since god created everything about the choice, the blame does not fall on those who pick wrong and suffer but on God for being such a dickhole.
>>688835928
So do i burn?
>>688836248
Knowing that you have a very small chance of living in heaven with this God; but more likely that you'll burn in hell no matter what.
>>688836212
I'll be honest, Marvel is all I know about norse gods
>>688826639
i prefer hotter climates
>>688836097
Then why doesnt he allow the wicked into heaven since people would do good works anyway and he can prevent any harm coming to anyone in heaven? Why make people suffer? Isnt unnecessary suffering evil?
>>688836310
You only burn if you believe you will.
If you don't believe in the christian God, then why would you think you'd burn?
>>688836212
Balder will be reborn, same basic principle is what I should have said.
>>688836383
WELP theres ya problem.
>>688826639
cite your peer reviewed references from journals of record.
>>688836367
Yes. Because My God , if thoes were the circumstances, set the rules, and perhaps it would increase my chances, but either way. Ask the catholics, they actually beleive that shit.
>>688836441
Hahah some how thats even more arrogant than regular theism. My thoughts affect the world?
>>688836200
The whole bible is bullshit though. It contradicts itself in several places and has incorrect historical information. Jesus gets crucified on different days of the week depending on which gospel you read.
And there's all the extremely evil acts in the old testament, which were supposedly commanded by 'god'. I don't care what you say, there's no fucking justification for killing children 'both infant and suckling', it's evil. 'god' seems to have a lot in common with Hitler.
>>688836481
WTF? no he wont. He dies, they try to cast Raise Dead but it fails. Balder dies and stays dead. He doesnt come back at Ragnarok or in the new world.
One argument I almost never see discussed is that "god already knows all the choices you'll make in your lifetime, as he is all-knowing"
Ok so why the fuck would god create me if he knows I'm going to deny his love and burn for eternity anyway? Why wouldn't he just make enough humans that will follow him to convince EVERYONE to follow him?
>>688836576
Amen
>>688836212
The tragic Balder was reputed to be the most popular of all the gods. When Loki tricked Balder’s blind brother into killing Balder with a mistletoe dart, the gods were so grieved that they attempted to rescue him from the Underworld by showing that everyone in the world loved him.
Only jealous Loki, in disguise as a Frost Giantess, refused to say he loved Balder. This doomed Balder to the Underworld, which triggered Ragnarok, the End of the World, which inevitably led to Balder’s rebirth. This story links easily into the Jesus mythology of the Bible. Just like Jesus, Balder dies and is reborn. Just as in Christianity there is an End of the World.
Balder died and went to the underworld guarded by Hel. As mentioned the only way a Viking reached heaven, Valhalla, was by dying in battle. Those who died of sickness or old age went to the underworld, guarded by Hel, an old hag.
>>688826639
apostate jew
atleast i sin without a god, surely you who sin with belief are higher on his list than me (and dont say you all don't sin you do knowingly), and i would probably be forgiven due to my lack of knowledge anyway
>>688836541
Ok. How can you consider yourself good if you will stand by while billions suffer unnecessarily for eternity?
>>688836576
No, not at all, your thoughts effect what you think will happen to you. No one knows what happens, so just believe whatever the fuck you want.
>>688836673
The tragic Balder was reputed to be the most popular of all the gods. When Loki tricked Balder’s blind brother into killing Balder with a mistletoe dart, the gods were so grieved that they attempted to rescue him from the Underworld by showing that everyone in the world loved him.
Only jealous Loki, in disguise as a Frost Giantess, refused to say he loved Balder. This doomed Balder to the Underworld, which triggered Ragnarok, the End of the World, which inevitably led to Balder’s rebirth. This story links easily into the Jesus mythology of the Bible. Just like Jesus, Balder dies and is reborn. Just as in Christianity there is an End of the World.
Balder died and went to the underworld guarded by Hel. As mentioned the only way a Viking reached heaven, Valhalla, was by dying in battle. Those who died of sickness or old age went to the underworld, guarded by Hel, an old hag.
>>688826639
YOU couldn't even begin to understand the highest level of HATE I have for people like you. You are the reason half of the worlds population is slowly starving to death and/or trying to kill each other.
YOU are the reason people go to the mall with a hunting rifle. Fuck YOU.
>>688836673
Hel was the daughter of Loki and a frost Giantess, Angrboda. Loki, the trickster God, the son of two Fire-Giants, was warned about this mixed union, but he went ahead and had three unnatural children. These creatures were grotesque monsters. One, Jormungand, a great serpent biting its tail, encircled the seas causing great grief to sailors. The second Fenrir was a ferocious wolf that was to kill Odin, king of the gods, at the end of the world, Ragnarok.
The third child was female and named Hel. She guarded the Underworld, a terrifying place of horrible fires and frigid ice. Not even the gods could always escape this horrifying place. From her name, we get our word, hell. The similarity of the Viking and Christian concept of Hell made for an easy transition from Norse to Christian mythology.
Interestingly the Norse drew their conception of Hell from real life. In Iceland, the land of ice and fire, there are great fissures into the center of the earth, due to the fact that it is located on the top of an ocean fault, which reflects the grinding of two tectonic plates. Indeed when the Europeans first started traveling to Iceland they thought they were actually seeing Hell below the surface in the middle of the Earth.
From the above discussion it’s evident that there are three major congruences between the Viking mythology and Christianity. First there is the death and rebirth of a divinity. Second there is an end of the world. Third they both have a hell.
>>688836675
Where does free will play in that fantasy scenario. YOU CONTROL YOU, HE JUST KNOWS THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. I know that if i jump off a bridge, I will fall. But i still have the will to jump or not.
>>688826639
>This is not a "TrollThread"
FUCK YOU and die slowly.
>>688836212
Note that the concept of hell is not based in the Bible. However Augustine, a popular and influential early Christian writer, wrote persuasively about sinners and the eternal damnation of hell from which there was no return. This is strikingly similar to the Norse concept of hell.
However there is no real mention of Hell, as a place of damnation, in the Bible. The Hebrew and Greek words (Gehenna) that are translated as hell in the Catholic Bible designate the common grave of dead humans. Instead of being an otherworldly location, hell was just a dump on the outskirts of the city where criminals and poor people were cremated and burned without gravestone or honor. Sulfur, fire and brimstone were used to cremate their bodies.
In effect the Bible is saying: “If you lead a bad life you will end up in a common grave, without honor or respect, while if you follow the Law you will be honored and mourned for after you die.” By following the Biblical message the follower would be saved from this fiery ignominious fate.
The main Biblical message about the after life is simply: “From dust we came. To dust we shall go.” There is no mention of afterlife. Instead it is just the opposite. The whole concept of heaven, hell, and mortal life is not Biblical, but pagan. Indeed the Jews, who base their religious beliefs around the Old Testament, don’t believe in an afterlife.
>>688836844
I don't know I didn't create the scenario. I've been to church every week for the past 4 years for my wife and this is spewed out to me on a regular basis, I just want an answer to my question.
>>688836749
We are all sinners, yes, But you have to understand that I am no higher on the totum pole than you, be cause there is no totum pole, there is the Father, and then there is us, all equal in Gods eyes, sometimes we stray away, and that is OUR choice. The penalty of that is eternal death.
>>688836721
Balder doesnt come back after Ragnarok only Magni and Modi live afterwards fuck.
Vikings went to niflheim if they died of old age yes, but Viking is a job not a race. Other Norse people had other afterlives. Niflheim wasnt an 'underworld' it wasnt depicted as under the ground, involving fire or a place of torture.
Hela was half rotting corpse half gorgeous woman, not an old hag
You suck at Norse myth, and probably have only learned about it through post christian texts. There are other sources than Snorri Snurrson
>>688836844
It's about god knowing your choices before you make them, not about the consequences for the choices. What's the purpose for god to make people he knows will not choose to follow him?
>>688836996
What question?
>>688826639
So when you die and Jesus isn't there to save you from an eternity of nothingness
Do you think at that point you will have wasted your life worshipping a non existent being?
>>688837064
Note that the concept of hell is not based in the Bible. However Augustine, a popular and influential early Christian writer, wrote persuasively about sinners and the eternal damnation of hell from which there was no return. This is strikingly similar to the Norse concept of hell.
However there is no real mention of Hell, as a place of damnation, in the Bible. The Hebrew and Greek words (Gehenna) that are translated as hell in the Catholic Bible designate the common grave of dead humans. Instead of being an otherworldly location, hell was just a dump on the outskirts of the city where criminals and poor people were cremated and burned without gravestone or honor. Sulfur, fire and brimstone were used to cremate their bodies.
In effect the Bible is saying: “If you lead a bad life you will end up in a common grave, without honor or respect, while if you follow the Law you will be honored and mourned for after you die.” By following the Biblical message the follower would be saved from this fiery ignominious fate.
The main Biblical message about the after life is simply: “From dust we came. To dust we shall go.” There is no mention of afterlife. Instead it is just the opposite. The whole concept of heaven, hell, and mortal life is not Biblical, but pagan. Indeed the Jews, who base their religious beliefs around the Old Testament, don’t believe in an afterlife.
>again
>>688837120
It's not my place to question God, but perhaps the answer is simple....
He wants you to come home...
>>688837154
Why does god make people he knows will not follow him? God is all-knowing so he knows all the decisions i will make throughout my lifetime.
>>688837064
While we know relatively little about Baldur due to the fragmentary nature of the sources of our knowledge of pre-Christian Germanic religion, he evidently occupied a position of renown and splendor in the hearts and minds of the heathen Germanic peoples. He seems to have been regarded as the divine animating force behind the beauty of life at the peak of its strength and exuberance. His death marks the beginning of the decline into old age, night, winter, and ultimately the death and rebirth that characterize Ragnarok.
>>688837045
i live in england, its ok we are shit at penalties, i'd probably miss
>>688837166
I don't need to answer that because I know that God and Jesus are there.
So... see you on TrumpSingles? >>688826639
>>688837433
Well you're wrong
So tough shit buddy
>>688826639
>The Bible tells us
Which one? Which re-write? Are you saying ALLAH AKBAR? What's your fucking deal?
>>688837294
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/destined.html
>>688836844
If he already knows the fact that I won't believe in him and go to hell, why the fuck would it matter if I have free will or don't ? He FUCKING KNOWS what I'll do with my "free will".
If God does indeed exist (in the Biblical / Muslim form at least), he is one psychopathic motherfucker who needs real help.
>>688832126
rip the english language
>>688837494
How about this. It's your turn to prove the nonexistence of God to ME....
>>688837598
> Christian apologetics
Worst arguments since "n-nuh uh!"
>>688837064
Baldur is the dead God of Light in Norse mythology. That sounds like an oxymoron – a dead God of Light? – and yet it is the way that Norse cosmology works. Baldur was the youngest son of Odin and Frigg, and he was the most beautiful of all the Aesir (sky Gods). He was cheerful and kind, and his smile brought light to everyone in Asgard. White light shone from him wherever he went, and his sacred plant was the Chamomile which is white and brings sweet sleep. He married the Aesir goddess Nanna, and the two of them lived in a hall called Breidablik where everything was beautiful and nothing impure could live. They had a son named Forseti, who eventually became the God of Justice.
Historically, Baldur’s name may come from a root work meaning “prince” or one meaning “brave”, or another more likely one meaning “white”, but we are not sure. He is clearly one of the sacrificed solar gods who die and are reborn eventually, like the Vanic god Freyr – but unlike Freyr who dies and is reborn every year, Baldur dies once and we are still awaiting his return.
>eventual rebirth, you are semi right anon
>>688837706
Un-falsifiable hypothesis
Prove there isn't an invisible teapot orbiting Saturn
>>688837433
I know that there's 64 slices of Kraft cheese but where are these pipe dreams you speak of?
>>688837598
Stopped reading after the second section's first sentence's use of the word "incorrect", as the person who wrote this is not god, and it has been stated at least 3 times in this thread alone before, that it's up for interpretation. This website is bullshit.
>>688837724
Y'see. I am answering 10 different people at once, and everytime I do, you guys never even conciser my answer.
>>688837706
You can't prove a negative proposition idiot.
>>688837886
I've seen Christian apologetics
They suck
So do you
You haven't answered anything
You can't come up with any arguments
You're just as stupid as the rest
>>688837899
I can prove that your christian beliefs arn't real, they're a negative proposition.
>>688826639
Maximum bait
>>688837886
if only there was a saint you could pray to for help in situations like these
>>688837886
Do you believe God is loving? Considering all the suffering on the planet of course. Why is the Old Testament God so mean but not the New Testament God? What did Jesus mean when he said that God had FORSAKEN him and then died?
>>688837410
Thats nice but Balder doesnt get reborn.
>>688838045
I don't know a thing about the site though. I had to answer you quickly.
>>688837706
i am god
prove me wrong
>>688838184
Because he took on all of our sin
Hail Satan!!! The one true lord and savior
>>688838191
We're waiting on his rebirth. The comparison is still correct. The bible gets the idea of rebirth from this story.
>you're half correct
>>688838283
God spells his name with a capital G.
>>688838194
> didn't read it
> expects me to
>>688826639
Shove that cross/crucifix up your butt.
Your dude was married to a whore, loved to get drunk and was a tan skinned middle eastern Jew whose mother was a slut.
>>688838292
i doubt jesus could of managed the sins of jews let alone all of us
>>688838368
Also what is the Christian answer to this conundrum?
>>688838292
What? That makes no sense. Could you explain? I know why he died but why did he say God (his father) had forsaken him?
>>688838448
Well he did. Amazing, huh?
>>688838435
>>688838359
do i
says who, you, you speak for me now do you
>>688838086
You got that horribly wrong. I meant you can't prove there is no God, thus it's a stupid proposition to begin with. I'm not fucking Christian.
>God is the maker of the simulation we are ALL LIVING IN RIGHT NOW.
>>688838539
>>688838469
Because God can't look on sin, and Jesus took our sin. All of it. God had watched Jesus his whole life because he was free of sin, but suddenly, God had to look away, because Jesus took all of our sin.
>>688838518
yes amazing, sorry i just looked it up, the word i wanted isnt amazing its delusional
>>688838647
Not going to refute epicurus's quote?
>>688838556
Also, God wouldn't deny himself.
>>688826639
Is worshipping any god ok, or all those billions of people are mistaken and will go to hell for chosing wrong one?
anybody got any good religious porn? That's something I would like to see
>>688838629
>>688838742
how so
>>688838812
Most of it is CP from Catholics
Would not recommend
>>688838647
Thanks for explaining. I've always wondered that.
What about the changing in Gods attitude from New and Old testament? If God is the same forever then aren't we all lost to sin? We sure don't live like Jesus did. Ministers don't minister to the poor, the jailed, the homeless, etc etc etc. because of money. So aren't we all lost?
>>688838785
Yup, serve our one and only Father which is in heaven.
>>688838829
See
>>688838368
Dumbass
>>688838812
>>688838841
Because the Lord tells us it is wrong to deny him, God is without wrongness.
>>688827193
Convert to orthodoxy
>>688838900
Actually, I minister to the poor, the wealty, the homeless, the jailed, the mentally ill, everyone.
>>688832416
Hitler promised to get rid of all the wicked people too.
>>688839182
Not going to answer to epicurus?
>>688839049
so, you believe in me, and want overs to believe in me, but you can't for one second consider this is me, yet you ask others to follow blindly, i feel you just want to be heard in your otherwise puny life, and your face is just a soap box in which to be heard
>>688839182
Most do not.
Another question. Doesn't SATAN WIN over GOD since Hell has FAR FAR more souls than Heaven?
>>688826639
Why do you belive in god?
>>688839338
What's epicurus's question?
>>688839450
My parents told me to
>>688839481
Kill yourself
>>688839404
No, i'm trying to save everyone from the second death.
>>688839410
Isn't it a numbers game in the long run? So Satan actually will win because his dominion over souls is much larger. I mean there's MANY MANY more sinners than not according to the Bible
>>688839505
Literally the perfect anwser.
>>688839585
yet your own faith is thin
how can you be a voice of me
op
>>688839588
If you concider everlasting pain "WINNING". then Yeah
>>688839585
Doesn't SATAN WIN over GOD since Hell has FAR FAR more souls than Heaven? Isn't it a numbers game in the long run? So Satan actually will win because his dominion over souls is much larger. I mean there's MANY MANY more sinners than not according to the Bible
>>688839699
Well, I mean I guess Satan wins. Isn't that messed up? HE WINS, SATAN WINS
>>688839711
Satan wont win. He'll take the ones he converted and to hell with em.
>>688839826
Oh well. If that's what you desire, you're doing everything right.
>>688839882
Satan won a long time ago
>>688826639
If god loves his creation why does he condem the majority of man to eternal suffering, a fate worse than death?
>>688835228
There are no links where we are going. Only justice. Those who have connived for so long will awaken to find their machinations lie in ruins, their plots sundered in a fortnight.
It begins 6/17/20. Listen for it, all shall hear the new era's dawning.
>>688840027
Read my last 200 posts
>>688826639
>>688826639
Such a caring, kind, wonderous, gentle, forgiving god you have there.
OH WAIT.......
>>688839882
Why are there so many starving people in our world?
Look out at our world and notice that millions of children are dying of starvation. It really is horrific. Why would God be worried about you getting a raise, while at the same time ignoring the prayers of these desperate, innocent little children? It really doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving god do this?
To explain it, you have to come up with some sort of very strange excuse for God. Like, "God wants these children to suffer and die for some divine, mysterious reason." Then you push it out of your mind because it absolutely does not fit with your view of a loving, caring God.
>>688840075
Sounds to me like you're fighting a battle as hard as I am. Agienst the nonbelivers I mean.
>>688840126
surely you must re-enlighten all new people to the ways of the lord
>>688840257
Shit..... Ugh..... What was the question again....
>>688826639
So, you're saying that all of humanity is going to hell because of my actions? I guess I better get back to fucking prostitutes and doing drugs so we get there as soon as possible.
>taking the bait
>>688839882
But that's what I'm saying. If there's more in Hell then in Heaven than Jesus failed all except a few. It sucks to think of it that way. Also, Heaven will be so much smaller because of the differences in Christianity itself and only on sect really can be right. What if the evangelicals are correct, the Catholics are lost, the Baptists, the Lutherian etc etc
>>688840075
Could you explain? How did you gather this knowledge?
>>688840392
No, I'm saying You'll go if you don't straighten up.
>>688840471
Bible, and we don't have his knowlage, we have what we know he tells us.
I'm so depressed now. SATAN WINS IN THE END
>>688840343
you know you have 220 post but you can't remember what the last person asked you, tut tut, i sense this is just you wanting to be heard and not really caring what you say
>>688839988
SO MUCH GODS WORK.
>>688840584
Depends on how you see it. I don't thinks so, but I wouldn't, I don't desire eternal burning
