Is gender a spectrum?
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Is gender a spectrum?
>>688663662
Identity disorders are a spectrum....
No but autism is.
what about hermaphrodites
>>688663662
You are born male or female.
You make the conscious decision to identify as whatever you identify as, regardless of your personal feelings on whether you "should have" been born a certain way.
>>688664290
2 pieces of bread and a deformed penis?
>>688663662
Sex is uniform, m or f. Of course gender is a spectrum, i don't see why faggot hating faggots on here get so butthurt bc someone with a cock doesn't see themselves as a boy. Sex doesn't change so in a bigot virgins brain you can't have a different gender.
Sex is Male or Female. Gender is a construct and a spectrum.
>>688664290
They must choooose!
>>688664600
I don't have a problem with the gays it's a free country, they can choose to mess up their lives however they see fit
Biologically there are two, with a very rare third but it's so uncommon it's not even worth considering its own gender. More of a birth defect. People can feel however they want but at the end of the day they were either born with guy parts or girl parts.
>>688664839
You can't just make up words and meanings because you're bored faggot. Go ruin some other social construct retard.
>>688664600
Gender is from the Latin genus, quite literally "biological classification".
It has nothing to do with your make believe fantasy identity brought on by mental illness, nor does it have anything to do with sexual preferences.
>>688664532
You can identify however you like, mutilate whatever parts of your body you want, and it still doesn't change the fact that you are the gender you are born as. Now you're just a mutilated/deformed/idiotic male or female who cries people don't understand his wunder fox-kin refrigerator gender. Life isn't tumblr, faggot.
>>688665095
I'm not the one who came up with it. Old ass empires and cultures and native American tribes did a ridiculously long time ago. Bigots will always be bigots and assdick hick/hillbilly retards on 4chan will always find something to complain about. You wanna keep your world as small as possible so you don't look at the real history.
There is male and female. You can identify as the opposite sex but most sane people will see you as the retard poofter you are.
>just wait for the faggots replying with "b-but there's lots of colors"
>>688663662
There are only two SEXES. Most languages have between three and seven GENDERS, gender is a linguistic term, not a biological one. I think it became a euphemism in either the 19th or mid-20th Century, when the mere word "sex" acquired a dirty connotation.
Everyone wants to be special without achieving anything special because that would require effort, so now I'm gender-gifted and you cis scum are mediocre at best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2f-NCRpMAU
>>688666886
What is this devil's palindrome post?
>>688665809
Sex and Gender mean male and female dipshit.
You're making up a meaning for a word that's been defined for millennia. You're a dumb faggot.
>>688666886
Dammmnnn. checkd
>>688663662
Of course gender is a spectrum.
There are big burly hyper masculine lumberjack men, and then there are weak faggy weebs who despite being of the male sex have few masculine traits. That's the spectrum.
No.
>>688664123
basically this.
>>688668776
There's male and female. I don't think you know what spectrum means
These days who gives a flying fuck what these people want to call them selves. The world is overpopulated as is, the more of these transfags, the less people breeding.
>>688669475
>reading comprehension
>you
>>688666237
There aren't lots of colors though, there is a spectrum of visible light, between about 300nm and 800nm wavelength, our eyes interpret these wavelengths differently to help us differentiate between things. Its all the same thing, just stretched or compressed, same goes for electromagnetic radiation that falls outside our visible spectrum. Colors are an idea used to help describe what we see, they exist only for communication.
>>688664532
You're just spitting a loosely based opinion, that has attempted to be a fact. The second a seed finally penetrates the egg, the sex is determined. Has the ability to change, generally does not
>>688667258
Beatiful, that's what it is.
>>688666396
They're the same word. Retards with nothing better to do with their lives are just trying to fag up the world as much as possible. Sad thing is it's working all too well.
>>688669747
You're just retarded a lumberjack man and a weak fag are both still men. There's no such thing as a 100% masculine man so your point makes no sense. Gender isn't a spectrum there's one or the other.
>>688667345
Sex:
either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.
Gender:
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
buy a fucking dictionary.
>>688669901
>kyuuself
I wish they would
>>688666886
Symmetrical|lacirtemmyS
>>688664123
FPBP!
>>688670489
That's a good point. No other animal on the planet fags up the gender spectrum with this complete retard shit.
>>688670489
>the state of being male or female
If you have a dick then you're a man, if you have a vagina you're a girl. Where's the spectrum.
>>688666886
fuckin checked!
>>688670417
>There's no such thing as a 100% masculine man
You just proved the point that gender is a spectrum. Some men are more masculine than others. That's the spectrum.
>>688670615
Kek'd
Humans have a few actual sexes. Male, female, intersex(development of male and female features despite xy or xx chromosomes) xxy males/females and xxx females. Thats fucking genetics. BECAUSE WE REPRODUCE SEXUALLY.
>>688670707
how can you tell? ever talked to a dolphin?
>>688663662
you would have three slices, one for female, one for male and the third one for gender fluid
>>688670489
Two words. To describe two sexes. One when you're talking about it scientifically. One when you're talking about how you're a male but a complete pussy. They're the same think you dipshit.
>>688663662
Sure it's a spectrum, but that spectrum only has 2 points, you can be anyhwere from fully masculine to fully feminine, You can't be mayonnaise.
>>688663662
Gender IDENTITY can be fluid. Gender is not. With a very few exceptions, gender is male or female and defined by primary sex organs.
>>688670928
No but I've seen all their penis and vaginas.
>>688663662
Thanks asshole. Your stupid fucking picture just triggered me. I was having fun browsing the chan but you just had to post this stupid piece of shit picture. Now I'm sitting here having a panic attack just because of you. You ruined my day, bigot.
>>688670768
That's not a difference in gender though, that's a difference in lifestyle, choosing to be a lumberjack over an artist doesn't make you more or less of a man, it means you have different interests or priorities.
>>688665075
Yep
>>688664290
they dont exist. the closest thing to a human hermaphrodite is an intersex person, which still have defining chromosomes and thus a gender.
>>688670768
Being a weak man doesn't mean your gender is in question though, it just means you have different personality. Everyone knows some men are more masculine than others why are you even bringing this up I thought we were talking about traps who think they're somehow more female than any other man which isn't true
>>688670941
Genderfluid is such a massive crock of shit.
>>688671106
Nice bait faggot
>>688670941
I think I got cancer just by reading that
>>688670768
You mean to be saying "Personality" have a spectrum, not genders. Gender is defined by 2 things just because you're a sissy it doesn't change the fact you are of the male gender.
>>688665508
>Gender is from the Latin genus, quite literally "biological classification".
>It has nothing to do with your make believe fantasy identity brought on by mental illness, nor does it have anything to do with sexual preferences.
i see nobody addressed your post
faggots avoid logic and truth when confronted by it
>>688671320
>>688671148
>Being a weak man doesn't mean your gender is in question though
It means you have fewer masculine traits, and since all men aren't born with a certain precise number of masculine traits that means there is a spectrum. That's what it means to say gender is a spectrum. It's the aggregate number of masculine-associated traits versus female-associated traits. And since there is no set number it must by definition be a spectrum
>>688671106
Call the waaaaaaaahmbulance!
Preferably the one with the amber lamps.
>>688671735
This
Then all this fucked up otherkin genderfluid bullshit can be defined as a personality disorder. We need to get to that point so these retards can get the treatment they need.
>>688663662
you are face is a sprectrum patronum kek
>>688671926
actually two spectrums
one male and another female, but there is no overlap that allows a man to be a woman
gender is still defined by either having a dick or a cunt, the rest is a spectrum.
>>688664255
underrated comment
>>688671926
So your gender is defined by your masculine traits? Well what are the masculine traits? Not every culture only finds big burly lumberjacks to be masculine. Masculinity has a a spectrum not gender and that's the only thing you're proving and everybody knows this already.
>>688671926
>spectrum aggregate number
You are making shit up to try and not feel different. Stop it; the facts are against you.
>>688663662
gender is what you say when youre trying to deny sex
>>688671735
>you're a sissy it doesn't change the fact you are of the male gender.
If you're a sissy it means you have fewer traits that are associated with masculinity. Thus as a sissy you are one a different location on the gender spectrum than someone with many masculine traits.
>>688670489
>Sex:
>either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.
>Gender:
>the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
>buy a fucking dictionary.
Gender [Latin genus, from geno, gigno; Gr.to beget, or to be born; Eng. kind. Gr. a woman, a wife; Sans. gena, a wife, and genaga, a father. We have begin from the same root. See Begin and Can.]
1. Properly, kind; sort.
2. A sex, male or female. Hence,
3. In grammar, a difference in words to express distinction of sex; usually a difference of termination in nouns, adjectives and participles, to express the distinction of male and female. But although this was the original design of different terminations, yet in the progress of language, other words having no relation to one sex or the other, came to have genders assigned them by custom. Words expressing males are said to be of the masculine gender; those expressing females, of the feminine gender; and in some languages, words expressing things having no sex, are of the neuter or neither gender
maybe you should get a real dictionary, and not a faggot one
>>688666886
Whateva ya say, Satan
>>688672172
>sex is still defined by either having a dick or a cunt
fixed that for you
>>688672598
No, you're still of the male gender so there's no spectrum. Just becuase you have fewer masculine traits it doesn't change the fact you're still a man. Gender spectrum doesn't exist.
>>688672598
If there was a gender spectrum, for you special/fag butterflies, but there isn't.
You're all just faggots to anyone not in your little support group.
>>688671926
Except that a man doesn't define himself by the number of masculine traits he has, he wakes up in the morning and literally never once thinks about during the day while he's doing whatever work or other activity he has to do that day. Level of masculinity is not a gender.
>>688670768
>You just proved the point that gender is a spectrum. Some men are more masculine than others. That's the spectrum.
personalities have a spectrum, faggot, not gender
>>688672420
You're going to argue physical muscle isn't associated with masculinity?
Do yourself a favor and figure out what testosterone is because atm you're embarrassing yourself.
>>688672880
A man is male.
A man is a female.
A man has no face.
>>688672420
This.
But also: Homosexuality actually makes sense because there's a large part of the population that actually has it and it's displayed in animals as well. Gender dysphoria is not seen in animals though, there are not any animals that pretend to be their opposite sex all their lives. It's a product of human evolution and sociology. It's weird that they claim the normal genders are what is made up when gender dysphoria is obviously a new thing.
>>688672424
>i'm confused by words i don't understand
>>688673026
A skinny nerd and a bodybuilder are both men at the same level. Their personality traits vary and that's the spectrum there's no gender spectrum.
>>688666886
DEM NUMBAHS
>>688672598
I have fewer masculine traits than the world's strongest man competitors, it doesn't mean I'm not a man.
>>688672880
"level of masculinity" is exactly what people are talking about when they say gender is a spectrum.
>>688673133
Homosexuality and gender dysphoria are simply a result of poor parenting. If you raise your kid to be girl, he will be girl.
>>688673026
>>688673178
How is this an argument? Yes the female with more muscle is more masculine compared to the female without but they are both still female.
>>688673346
You're talking about adjectives dipshit.
>>688673527
That doesn't explain why animals are homosexuals and not gender dysphorics.
I had to meet with an 50 something yo tranny bloke once. Worked for a manufacturer who's system we were installing. Other than the monstrosity that was in front of me 'sophie' as he/she now goes by, i have to say i was shocked at how comfortable they were about the obvious trans thing. He/she was an extremely normal inteligent person. I dunno it just wasn't what i was expecting.
When you hear about people saying they'd rather an hero than stay as the same 'gender' then to me that says, this is no silly weird phase thing, whether people want to dub it a mental illness or not, these people, as far as they're concerned were born in the wrong body.
>>688663662
Is that banana bread lmfao
>>688673346
But thats retarded because even the most betatist of men are still men, just because you don't have masculine traits there gender is never in question, therefore there is no spectrum
>>688673738
I guess we'll have to make up some new words than and pretend they're important.
>>688673601
>they are both still female
I never said they were not both biologically female. But they would be at a different place on the gender spectrum. A woman with lots of feminine traits would be at the extreme end of the female spectrum and a woman body builder, while still being close to the female end, would not be in the same place because she has fewer feminine traits and more masculine traits.
>>688673738
They do it for a number of reasons just google it. They do it to to establish dominance, to pass time, but I've never heard of an animal who does gay sex for pleasure.
>>688673346
That's fucking stupid, I've met some incredibly masculine women who are still women, never self identified as anything but a woman and would be pretty pissed off if you told them they're somehow less of a woman because they're giants.
>>688673253
If you have fewer masculine traits overall, it means you're less of a man. And therefore more towards the female side of the spectrum as opposed to the world's strongest men competitors.
>>688663662
Gender used to be simple: male, female.
But then, a few entitled (most likely white) pricks didn't feel special snowflake enough so they started saying they felt different genders during different days.
But when they were pissed to find that EVERYONE has certain quirks that don't fit their gender, they decided to make up special snowflake names for their quirks and claimed they were being oppressed.
Again frustrated that everyone was telling these idiots to shut the fuck up, they genderfluidly raged and created Tumblr.
There is only two genders. Any quirk you may have that doesn't fit your original gender role is just part of who you are. It is not gender specific.
>>688674017
"feminine traits"
So the more adjectives you use to describe yourself, the more special you are?
This generation is going to be nothing but faggot retards. I'm saying we plan the draft now. Male, female, and all the special ones in-between.
>>688674017
>But they would be at a different place on the gender spectrum.
Stop using the word gender you sound like a fucking idiot, explain to me how their gender is on a spectrum? PENIS OR NO PENIS, that's it, no spectrum
>>688674025
>a woman and would be pretty pissed off if you told them they're somehow less of a woman because they're giants.
Except you would be exactly right to call them less of a woman because they have fewer feminine traits.
>>688674149
No. Just becuase you have fewer masculine traits that doesn't make you MORE of a female. You're honestly retarded
>>688674289
> penis or no penis
Mysogonistic scum
>>688674149
You can put anything on a spectrum. Doesn't really make it important.
For instance.
On a scale of:
blabbering idiot - to - fully functioning human being
you're dangerously close to the left side of the spectrum. Feel special?
>>688673783
Crazy people don't realize they are crazy
>>688674470
SPECTRUM- used to classify something, or suggest that it can be classified, in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme or opposite points.
How is it possible to be on a gender spectrum? Is it possible to have half of a penis and half a vagina? No so there's no spectrum
>>688674273
Do some research on male and female hormones and how they affect the human body. It doesn't matter how you want to describe yourself, it matters what traits you actually have.
>>688674759
Moobs is now a gender guys!
>>688674523
Well you've now admitted that gender is, in fact, a spectrum. Mission accomplished :^)
>>688674924
Forgot the pic.
>>688674753
I agree with you, anon, but why is it penis or no penis? Why not vagina or no vagina?
> fuck the patriarchy
>>688674953
I said you can put anything on a spectrum. It doesn't make it relevant or important in any kind of way. Dumbass.
>>688674312
But they're not less of a woman, quite literally they're more of a woman by sheer size. And the implication that someone is qualitatively less of a man or a woman based on physical size or muscle mass is ascribing physical characteristics as the defining factor of whether you're a man or a woman, similar to something like oh maybe having a penis or a vagina. You just refuted your own argument.
Faggot. If you're going to post a picture thenpost the whole picture.
>>688674953
Except there's no spectrum with gender it's one or the other. Autism is a spectrum because some people can't even function while some people barely notice they have it. With gender you know if you have a penis or a vagina.
>>688663662
Im legally a snake
>>688675058
Usually males refer to penises and women refer to vaginas, it's just a reflex. Picture a doctor. Is it male of female? 90% of the time it's your own gender. Not everything is feminist issue.
>>688675058
Because we all have vaginas in the womb only the powerful grow a penis.
>>688674753
Technically you can have half a penis or vagina, but that's a birth defect.
>>688663662
Yes, gender is a spectrum. Because the less an ugly dress wearing faggot is associated as being a man the better it is for all us guys, and neither is it female and fit to be fucked.
>>688675479
But he's still a guy with a dick so where's the gender spectrum?
>>688674289
Their gender is on a spectrum because not all men have a certain set number of masculine traits. Some men have many masculine traits (which would put them on the extreme masculine end of the spectrum) and some men have fewer masculine traits (which would place them lower on the masculine side of the spectrum). That's what people mean when they say gender is a spectrum. Some men are very manly and some men are not very manly, which places them at different points on the gender spectrum since they have a different number of masculine traits.
>>688665508
This so much.
Its a mental illness to want to cut pieces of your body off and inject yourself with foreign hormones that DONT CORRESPOND TO YOUR BIOLOGY.
>>688675411
No. That's a new gender. You insensitive prick.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS
>SKATE
OR
>DIE
>>688675411
I meant you can't have both, if you did than that would be considered gender spectrum.
>>688675580
And some humans are retarded, you are one of them.
>>688675580
The more adjectives you can use to describe yourself, the more male you are, you think?
I think you're retarded.
>>688675580
No. Being masculine doesn't define your gender HAVING A PENIS DOES. With your logic a very manly female would be considered a dude but no idiot there's male and female. Personality have a spectrum that's all you're proving
>>688675782
>>688675809
INB4 samefag.
>>688675725
You can though, they may not be fully functional, and again, birth defect.
>>688663662
Gender is binary, sexuality is analogue.
>>688675684
kek
Yes.
But it's a spectrum of two points.
So a very short spectrum.
>>688675955
Even then they biologically have to be either male or female it's impossible to be half of each.
>>688675381
Shut up cisgendered scum.
>>688675403
STOP RAPING ME
>>688675094
>But they're not less of a woman
A woman with fewer feminine traits and more masculine traits will occupy a different place on the gender spectrum relative to a woman who has many feminine traits and little or no masculine traits. That's what I meant when I said they would be less of a woman. Sorry if that language triggered you but it's pretty accurate -- fewer womanly traits means they are less womanly.
>>688663662
Yes, a spectrum of human decadence
>>688675953
18 seconds between posts, responding to the same post, do you even open your eyes?
>>688676305
No because she still has a vagina and therfore is female. You really need to buy a dictionary and stop using the word gender
>>688663662
I don't think gender is binary. And sexuality most certainly isn't. Couldn't care less tho. Just let people be, why do you care?
>>688663662
And ill fuck any of em
>>688675293
It's a spectrum because not all men are born with the same number of masculine traits. A man with more masculine traits will occupy a different point on the gender spectrum as a opposed to a man with little or no masculine traits. That's what it means to say gender is a spectrum -- not all men have the same number of masculine traits and not all women have the same number of feminine traits -- therefore it is a spectrum.
>>688675570
There's more to being a man than having a dick. If you don't know this you're female or on either the gender or autism spectrum
>>688676209
Again not exactly, there are XXY cases, they're genetic abnormalities, think of it like the down syndrome of the reproductive system.
>>688676611
>>688676544
8/10 B8 M8
>>688675580
What your saying is more like a personality spectrum. There is no gender spectrum.
>>688663662
Is soup a beverage?
>>688676379
I just wanted to make sure he knew that it wasn't just me that thought he was retarded.
>>688675899
Having a penis defines your sex, not your gender. Gender in this regard is referring to masculinity vs femininity. Masculine traits can show up in women and feminine traits can show up in men. Furthermore a man may have a different number of masculine traits from another man. Thus gender is a spectrum.
>>688676858
The spectrum of personality disorders?
>>688676449
Nobody is talking about sexuality, and we care because this fringe group of lunatics screams and cries the loudest until they force non issues to be dealt with in ways that are detrimental to everyone. And they're doing it purely for attention.
>>688676930
V8 is just cold tomato soup
>>688676858
Here is where all that shit collapses. Define masculine traits. Wait, who the fuck are you to define masculine for all men?
The faggotry is real. Even masculinity is full of wanna be collectivist Hitlers that think they can define maculinity and shame others for nor living up to their made up standards.
>>688676996
Gender means male or female, just killyourself. Masculinity is a spectrum is what you mean to be saying.
>>688676948
Ahh, gotcha.
>>688677113
But it's got like 7 more vegetables...
Cold vegetable soup if anything really.
>>688676418
I never said the two woman in question would not both still be female, I said they would occupy different points on the gender spectrum because they had a different number of feminine traits.
>>688677284
Gender means male or female it has nothing to do with you personality traits. Gay men are at the bottom of the masculine scale but even they still consider themselves me because they are
>>688663662
The argument is that sex and gender are different. Sex is the chromosomes you have and the reproductive organs you have. Gender is the "social" attachments to the sex.
Here's an example of the argument: a person has male chromosomes and a penis. His sex is male. The person has a sister. The sister has female chromosomes and a vagina. Her sex is female. The parents of the children decide to paint the girl's nails red and let her wear lipstick. These are considered "girl things". The boy is told not to wear make up and not worry about things like getting scars on his face. These are considered "boy things". The former is their sex and the latter is the social view on how the sex should look and act, aka gender.
>>688663662
Then you would have two slices you fucking retard!
>>688677113
>>688677268
So does that make it a food or a beverage?
>soup is not binary
>>688674564
Some do I realize my jealousy and emulation of females is a cry for help and mental illness from some bad genetics and a bad childhood
>>688670320
>they're the same word
>literally two different words
Kek
>>688677207
Masculine traits are caused by biological factors like testosterone and genetics. This is all very basic science and it's unfortunate that your life sciences program (or maybe your parents?) failed you so badly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity
>>688677284
The problem is that you consider woman and female to be different, then you say that reproductive organs don't determine whether someone is a woman, but physical size and muscle mass does.
>>688677573
The argument is the definition of a fucking word?
The definition of a word changes depending on what the generation wants to do with it.
Small group of little morons want to feel like special butterflies and change what gender means.
When in reality they're just "faggots". Male or female.
>>688663662
those that think sex is a social construct have obviously never been kicked in their social constructs
>>688677616
It is a nutritional supplement.
>>688677616
Juice (squeezed food). Even chunky pulpy, is a beverage. Blam.
>>688677573
The definition of gender is the state of being male or female. The definition of male is having a penis and the women having a vagina. Therefore there is no gender spectrum it's one or the other. There's personality traits that faggots are using the word gender to make themselves feel better
>>688677468
I'm not referring to "personality traits." I'm talking about quantifiable physical characteristics like muscle mass, bone structure, hormone levels, etc.
>>688677974
Ipso facto even if you like to squeeze your penis between your legs and call yourself a pretty lady, you're still a boy. Just a faggoty one. So I guess you could say the only real spectrum is how much of a faggot you are.
>>688674021
>to pass time
>implying that's not for pleasure
>>688678125
So you saying all men have to have a lot of muscle mass and an over all bigger frame to be considered the male gender? Go see a physiatrist you have some real issues to work out.
>>688677994
Then what do you call the phenomenon of it being socially acceptable for a women to wear dresses and a man to be seen as incorrect? Besides the ad hominem of faggot?
>>688677713
Just because two people occupy different points of the gender spectrum doesn't mean they aren't both women.
I think you're having issues with terminology. A man having some feminine traits doesn't make him a woman, and I never said that it did. I said he would occupy a different place on the spectrum from someone with no feminine traits. Most of the rage ITT is a failure -- perhaps an intentional one -- to understand the terminology being used.
>>688670615
>enderself
kek
>>688678762
Just stop calling it gender because it's not gender spectrum everyone knows that gender is either male or female and has no spectrum. You should be calling it gender identity because that's what it is
>>688678500
What does that have anything to do with gender being male or female. He's still man you can call it whatever you like
>>688678434
>all men have to have a lot of muscle mass and an over all bigger frame to be considered the male gender
That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
I'm saying gender is a spectrum because all men don't share the same number of masculine traits like the ones you mentioned in your post.
No, gender is an expression of biological sex. People are confusing wearing a skirt with being an entirely opposite biological sex.
>>688678948
It's a spectrum because not all men have the same amount of "manly" traits, and not all women have the same amount of "womanly" traits.
>>688679272
>gender is an expression of biological sex
How is wearing a skirt an expression of having a vagina and wearing pants an expression of having a penis?
>>688679272
No expression is an expression of biological sex.
>>688679549
They are either male or female regardless of their traits there is no spectrum.
>>688678851
Kill me, Pete.
>>688663662
You would have so much fucking garlic bread OP.
>>688679267
>>688679549
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Gender means male or female, there is no spectrum. You're talking about different gender roles, identitys but you are still either one or the other with no inbetween just deal with it faggot
ITT: people who don't know the difference between gender, sex, and sexual orientation
>>688680125
sex: xx xy xyy xxx
gender: anything you can fucking dream of
>>688680125
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
>Gender is the range
>is the range
>the range
>range
>>688677573
Then why do transexuals believe themselves to be the opposite sex and change their sexual organs to resemble those that they don't have ?
>>688679807
If you're referring to biological sex, you're correct. But we're talking about gender here, which in this case is referring to masculinity versus femininity.
Gender is a spectrum because not all men share the same number of masculine traits and the same applies for women with feminine traits.
>>688665075
Male and Female are the only natural birth genders. Any mutations/variations of those two (and there are some) are suboptimal. It's like saying Down's Syndrome is an optional alternative to being normal; no it fucking isn't, it's a deformity.
>>688680366
why do you think you're special?
dumb faggot at least they took a risk yo achieve their dreams. all you've ever done is shitpost.
>>688680572
You're just saying the same thing over and over again just kil lyourself. You'll never be a women you're pathetic man
>>688680366
At some point in fetal development, there was a fluke and the developing brain was feminized while the body was masculinized (or vice versa). The result is that the person is born with a brain that doesn't match their body.
I thought they were pizzas
>>688670941
"Genderfluid" sounds like a synonym for cum.
>>688680809
I was born male and I'm 100% happy with that. I'm engaged in this debate because I care about science, and the science on this topic is pretty clear. You would benefit from researching the topic a bit more instead of staking out an emotional position and blindly defending it.
>>688680313
Then read the whole paragraph.
>>Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity.
>>sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity.
>>688663662
honestly, this day and age there is a third gender.
male
female
mental illness
>>688663662
No.
1. Male.
2. Female.
rest are mentally ill
/thread closed
>>688681218
Gender means male or female, you are talking about gender roles and gender expressions which have a spectrum, not your gender.
>>688680295
That's not how chromosomes work retard.
Gender is binary
On/off ,1/0 ,positive/negative, boy/girl
>>688681219
>social structures (incl gender & social roles)
kys retard before nature does it for you
>>688664123
Yyyyep
>>688681412
>gender roles and gender expressions
you sound like a fag
>>688663662
no.
gender is a theory made up by LGBT queers willing to fuck everyone
>>688663662
Yes, and here is the full spectrum: male-female
>>688663662
>>688678762
I think you're having issues with terminology. The issue you have is that you're bending and changing definitions specifically to suit your cause, control the language and you control the argument, you're redefining things and telling everyone else that their definition is now wrong, the only acceptable definition is yours, and your definition has in it a presumption that your argument is right.
>>688672623
This
>>688681479
biological sex isn't even binary.
amazing job op, 10/10; the 12 year olds are in a frenzy. normie chan is awsome
>>688665075
this
>>688681412
Damn I've never seen anyone try to split hairs this hard.
So you would be comfortable with calling the "gender expressions spectrum" but you get triggered by calling it the "gender spectrum"?
At this point you've basically agreed with me so I guess I'll let you try to save some face lol.
>>688681718
The whole thread is about people being upset by the term "gender spectrum." All I've done is explain what those people mean when they use that term. An explanation which hasn't been refuted.
Sorry if it triggers you but ultimately it's your problem if words offend you. And it's even worse if you don't understand the meaning of the words that are offending you.
>>688682047
I prefer "I make up spectrums to feel special cause I'm a bored millennial that didn't have any kind of upbringing."
>>688681908
>(typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)
>>688682818
>I make up spectrums
Sorry, I didn't know things like hormone levels, musculature, and bone structure were made up.
>>688682047
You mean you're finally agreeing with me? You've had the same dim witted response for the last 5 replies only now do you realize your using the wrong terminology
>>688680753
Why do you think I think I'm special ?
By the way, no tranny has ever achieved their dreams because their dreams are biologically impossible.
>>688663662
>Is gender a spectrum?
no, it's more accurately a cartesian plane
for males that lack "masculinity" (e.g. effeminate dudes), they do not gain the female privileges of not being hit, for example - because they aren't female, nor do they qualify as male, because "real men" aren't faggots.
they are neither male, nor female, as they are not accepted by either group.
on a cartesian plane, they have a place, but what is it?
>>688680873
So you're saying that transexuality has nothing to do with gender ?
>>688683362
The problem is the word gender has never been defined and these faggots think it means their gender roles and sexuality not their biological gender like they're implying
>>688683279
If you agree that a man with more masculine traits would occupy a different place on this spectrum relative to a man who has few masculine traits, then yes we agree.
>>688682818
I didn't know attaching spectrum at the end of things was of any kind of importance.
There are differences between all people on earth. Doesn't put us all on a spectrum dummy.
>>688683776
>>688683214
Meant to reply to this nignog.
>>688683678
What spectrum? It's not gender spectrum because that's male or female. Why do you even care about this shit I don't even care what you would call it I'm not that big of a faggot
>>688683529
Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between and from masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity.
The meaning of the word "gender" changes based on context. When people are referring to the "gender spectrum" they are using the masculine vs feminine definition of gender, not the biological sex definition of gender (which has fallen out of use to avoid the confusion you are now experiencing).
>>688683436
It has to do with gender because the brain and body ended up with different genders through some fluke of biology.
>>688671921
All weak minded individuals deny, flee from or violently attack reason, logic and truth when they are confronted with it.
Unfortunately today is the age of the weak minded.
>>688684309
But you said that gender is a social construct that has nothing to do with biology.
>>688683903
Then gender spectrum is masculinity versus femininity.
The sex spectrum is male versus female with a few fluke cases in between.
>>688684057
They are using the wrong word. They should be saying gender identity or gender roles have a spectrum, if they had been saying that nobody would care they just call it gender spectrum for attention. Countless posts in this thread proving them wrong but they just keep saying the same shit to different people.
>>688684446
Link to a post where I said that.
>>688684544
Are you actually retarded?
>>688663662
If you are born with a penis - you are a man
If you are born with a vagina - you are a woman
There is literally nothing in the world not even plastic surgery that can change that, you will always have some male characterystics, of course if you are born a guy and you get boobjob and dress like a girl you will be attractive to some guys but you are still a man.
Gender and sex are the same. There are two gender defining chromosomes. Male and female. However you can have a different personal affinity, but in the end your biological gender and sex is male or female (with the small possibility of that third gender).
>>688684636
see >>688677573
>Gender is the "social" attachments to the sex.
>>688684766
Ad hominem with no counter argument? That's a sure sign I'm winning.
You haven't been able to address any of the points I've given to you. You've just been clinging to an emotional view of the topic, using insults, and refusing to understand the terminology being used when it is actually pretty straightforward and backed up by science.
>>688685069
That isn't me.
>>688684603
You know what ?
I spend my days going through, learning from, editing/reviewing and creating complex technical documents.
Because of this I am usually inclined to go along for the ride when people are reasoning whether I agree with their point of view or not.
But this gender, sex obfuscation bullshit has gone beyond my mediocre interest, passed my silent apathy, jumped over my snickering contempt and has now entered my stage of violent opposition.
Directly into the same basket as fucktarded religious loons like ISIS, socialist nutballs like Bernie Sanders and despicable self righteous good for nothing moochers on the system.
Grow up, get a job, go do something substantial, learn about REAL things that actually MATTER.
>>688685114
I've proven you wrong literally 4 or 5 different times, and you're saying the same thing every time. I'm going outside now I hope you kill yourself.
>>688685477
What's so difficult to understand about individual men having a different number of masculine traits and therefore occupying a different place on the gender spectrum?
>>688685361
Then I have no reason to argue with you.
>>688685477
What's your point autist? Go be mad somewhere else
>>688685600
Getting angry and misusing terms hasn't proved me wrong though.
Gender is a spectrum because not all men have the same set number of masculine characteristics. Therefore, a man with many masculine characteristics will occupy a different place on the gender spectrum relative to a man with few masculine characteristics.
If every man had the same number of masculine traits, and women never had any masculine traits, then you could attempt to argue gender is binary. But that isn't the case so gender is self-evidently a spectrum.
>>688686124
Gender means being male or female, now kill yourself.
>>688675580
>>688663662
Hey OP.
Is faggotry a spectrum?
>>688678851
Kill me, pete.
>>688677698
Moron. So, the skinny geek in middle school who goes all Brock Lesnar in the gym for a couple years and turns out to be hugely ripped as a senior changes his masculinity. Doesn't do a thing to his gender.
>>688678125
Quantifiable physical characteristics can be changed through personal action.
>>688679549
So the big muscle head decides to suck a dick, what does that do to you arranging everyone on a "gender spectrum" according to physical characteristics?
>>688686834
Um. He's now a manly man and that is an 8 on the gender spectrum.
Is this what you faggots actually do with your time?
>>688680366
Mental illness.
>>688663662
No.
Anyone claiming anything else has the special snowflake syndrome. You aren't transgendered if you don't feel that way 100% of the time. Transgendered people don't want to be transgendered.
Source: am transgendered.
>>688687174
>gender spectrum.
>>688664600
>Sex is uniform, m or f. Of course gender is a spectrum, i don't see why faggot hating faggots on here get so butthurt bc someone with a cock doesn't see themselves as a boy. Sex doesn't change so in a bigot virgins brain you can't have a different gender.
Sex is gender. Gender is sex.
Dummy!
>>688664839
>Sex is Male or Female. Gender is a construct and a spectrum.
Sex is gender. Gender is sex.
Dummy!
>>688687551
>Gender is a construct and a spectrum
That doesn't even make sense, a construct and spectrum of what? Not your gender because your gender is male or female.
>>688687504
>>688687551
>>688687664
I think what they're are getting at is how they identify themselves not so much the actual gender but identity politics
trans is a mental disorder. anyone who says otherwise is a SJW cuck.
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>>688664532
No there's actually quite a few biological genders even in humans, it's not as simple as xx and xy
>>688687982
but if it is do you medicate it or do you let the person who is (probably) enjoying it continue because it won't harm you... I mean unless they try to literally harm you like raping your bung hole.
>>688688146
He also votes Froot Loops so...
Speaking of Froot Loops, da fuq is up with this thread?
>>688688162
It's exactly as simple as XX XY.
>>688675094
>Being this retarded
Literally being more than someone because of your mass has nothing to do with gender, you jizz rag.
>>688688162
how do you examine this? I want to know where you are going with this in full because I do know that there are rare cases of xxy or xyy but in many cases they don't change all that much
>>688688174
well when a trans say "i am really a woman" what that means is they like "girl things"
they are playing into the social construct of gender, the fact that boys like blue and girls like pink, women wear make up and boys play sport.
people need to realize regardless of gender you can do what ever the fuck you want, if you're a girl who likes football and fast cars that doesn't mean you were supposed to be a boy, that just means you are a woman who likes cars and sports.
People align their personalities with gender norms and assume because they fit those norms they must have been wronged at birth and were supposed to be that gender.
if you're a girl who likes pussy and fast cars and football that doesn't make you a man, that makes you a woman who likes pussy, sports and fast cars. simple.
>>688688647
xyy
In my genuine opinion, LGBT is ok, but transsexuals are frowned upon, any other sexual identity is bullshit and has no validity.
>>688688887
one off nigger.
>>688688647
No its not, technically there are hundreds of genders in humans including being born with neuter that is a gender as well
>>688663662
>>688688785
this
>>688688785
But when you talk about ACTUAL Trans people what they want usually isn't just "the norms" in actuality they literally want to physically be female or male.
>>688663662
gender/sex are male and female, anything else is a mental disorder.
A man thinking he's a woman or vice-versa is just as sane as anyone thinking they're a toaster
>>688688887
that extra y legit does basically nothing
>>688689444
fuck your trips man, i have friends that are toaster-kin, how dare you
>>688689274
yeah yeah loaded question. BUT ITS BETTER THAN JUST GETTING SUB PAR PORN THREADS
>>688689524
It does have effects but it also makes them another gender by definition, or xxx xxy and all the chromosomal differences that can be mixed up inside those x and y chromosomes
>>688665809
>I'm not the one who came up with it. Old ass empires and cultures and native American tribes did a ridiculously long time ago
*cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* BULLSHIT
>>688689228
Not just because you say so.
I have a third nipple on my ballsack, can I be a gender too?
What about intersexuals
>>688689965
these cases are very few and don't constitute a new sex/gender at all.
>>688690133
No not just because I say so, it's basic human biology there technically are many genders and I'm not talking about gender dysphoria
>>688690299
Yes. They do. By definition
>>688690143
not that many and we are talking about identity politics not really gender
>>688689443
you completely danced around my point.
we don't know enough about the brain and trans, but until we do chopping your dick off is not the answer.
>>688690299
Actually they aren't nearly as rare as you might think
Gender would be MASCULINE or FEMININE.
Sex is MALE or FEMALE.
Bathrooms should be based only on SEX, and not how a person feels, that is just retarded.
>>688690315
/Nipple
/Gender
/Ni
/Ge r
/Nigger
Gender found
>>688690356
No they don't because the only thing that happens is no change or you become impotent.
>>688689965
That's not how chromosomes work dipshit.
That's why you have a 50% of being a male or a female. Or in your case a dumbass.
>>688688887
Can someone explain how in the fuck you can get 2 y chromosomes are possible when you can only inherit one
>>688690525
There's a difference between impotence and sterility, and if the person as well can successfully produce offspring just not with the typical other gender or the other gender as well that qualifies it as a gender
>>688690659
If you have to ask...
>>688663662
Gender, from Latin genus - "kind", "type", or "sort." Multiple uses, language for instance had masculine, feminine, and neuter. They are specific, distinctive categories by definition, so no, there is no spectrum between genders.
Gender roles have, throughout history, been based solely on sex, and vary depending on society. There is a division of responsibilities due to the different nature of the two sexes-- men do heavier and more dangerous work, women have kids and do safer work. This is due to the perceived expendability of men; if men die in combat or dangerous work, they can be replaced at a rate determined by your female population... if your women die, your society is stunted for generations.
In modern history, the need for specific gender roles has diminished. No one is forcing these roles on anyone else in the Western world. So the argument over a spectrum is pointless, and the people bitching about it are generally just attention-seeking millennials. It's basically all just identity politics, which is a subset of feminist/Marxist politics (i.e. ridiculous and self-contradictory bullshit). Feminists like to say there is no inherent psychological/neural difference between men and women, except when it comes to some man actually being a woman in a man's body... then, suddenly, the inherent difference is real.
TL;DR: Identity politics are fucking stupid, abandon thread.
>>688690399
I didn't you're fucking talking about how they want to fucking be doing things men or women do but with actual cases where they physically hate themselves that is when it comes into play that they are trans.
>>688690605
How much longer til recess is over ?
>>688689228
That's a deformity you complete retard.
Gender is only a concept.. It's not an actual thing.
>>688690839
Hey man that's some legit middle school shit right there. Which is apparently more of an education than 90% of this thread.
>>688690774
>raging trans confirmed
life is not fair, life is shit. the hand you are dealt is the hand you are dealt, man, woman, black, jew, gay, straight, what ever, don't throw a fucking tantrum and expect the world to fix your problems, suck it the fuck up, deal with it and move on.
>>688691082
nah nigga I'm just trying to be reasonable when it comes to noticing that people can be physically discussed with their genitalia
Threads like this make me legit worried for our future generations guys.
>>688691372
"What's that bobby? your penis grosses you out? well we better chop it off then"
see how stupid that sounds, you're stupid, i hope you feel bad.
>>688691625
Chopping off your penis doesn't make you a new gender.
>>688691869
trans people seem to think it does.
>>688691625
I would think a lot of well thought out planning would go into this surgery and there would most likely be a psychological evaluation that should be administered so the doctors won't be sued.
>>688691625
>>688692018
also that personal attack on be doesn't help you reason your side better
