why aren't you guys voting for Bernie???????
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why aren't you guys voting for Bernie???????
>>688567354
hello
>>688567354
Let's play pretend
>choose to live like a third world country and everyone is treated fairly
Or
>choose to build up defences and kick out useless peasants and build up the economy
You know in comedy shows and movies where a kid is running for class president and pledges to have 4 hr recess and pizza every day for lunch?
That's Bernie
Plus his waifu was shit
>>688567918
/thread
>>688567354
Because I understand basic economics.
>>688567354
because i don't vote
>>688567354
Because I'm not a poorfag, wetback, nigger or a faggot.
>>688568086
/thread
NO REFUNDS
I already voted for Comrade Sanders.
>>688567354
I'm Canadian
Mainly because unless you live in DC, voting is over. Dumbass.
Fuck socialism.
>>688567354
Because he's a "democratic socialist" ie: a socialist , literally as close to communism as you can get without waving the red star.
>>688569033
Right on.
>>688567354
because a limp-wristed senile communist kike is not an appealing candidate to me
>>688567921
You fucking cuck stop repeating old memes and have the common sense to realize a majority of taxpayers want benefits because they pay for them. No matter how hard you try, quasi-socialist America will have higher education under the taxes, along with healthcare. Don't even get me started that if we didn't do the Iraq War we could have all those things.
>>688569036
>all national socialists
>is Europe mass murdering people?
>Democratic socialism is an expansion under a tax plan for more benefits
>>688569530
>>688567921
Ha, that sounds about right.
>>688569530
the holy fuck are you talking about
>>688569822
Vote for me everyone
>>688569530
Pic also applies to education.
>>688569530
We made money off the Iraq war, that's what you're saying right?
>>688569530
>bern victim calling others a cuck
>>688569983
This is what you do when you can win in the realm of ideas. Repeat the same shit.
This is a good read, I recommend it to everyone who thinks communism/socialism is a good idea.
>>688570090
No we spent billions on it. Sure we ransacked some oil but nowhere near enough
>>688567918
should we build a pyramid full of important dead people or should we build an arcade under which we can do business?
pyramids are for empires, arcades are for republics
republics are by and for the people, not by and for a select few powerful miscreants
>>688570172
>cuck cuck cuck cuck
>>688570413
see the problem was keeping money, why the hell would you need money to do transactions in a socialist marketplace?
Because 'muricans need to perish and die.
>>688567354
I am. I'd rather have him over trump or hillary.
>not implying he isn't aids too
>>688570591
>transactions in a socialist marketplace
there are two oxymorons in this part of the sentence alone
>>688570057
Health care companies make money by what? That's right: refusing care. As a taxpayer I want it covered under my taxes as I can't afford my medical bills. The government already takes your money for a whole host of things, welfare, foreign aide. And I say fuck that shit. But to bad, as I can't wish for other things as a taxpayer, only the shitty things I have now.
>>688570591
>socialist marketplace
u wot m8? Do you not understand what socialism is? The state owns and controls everything, including the people. There is no free market.
>>688570583
>calls people a cuck
>gets called a cuck
>whines like a little shit
i don't know what i expected
>>688569036
Capitalist nations had nothing to do with that lol
>>688570583
i dont get the south park part. they were making fun of trump
>>688570940
That is not the job of the government. And there should be no foreign aid and certainly no welfare. If you can't afford a product or service, you don't get it. Easy. If you care for poor people (for whatever reason), then give to a charity. Don't force others to give as well
>pic related
>>688570818
you should read debt: the first 5000 years, it goes over unprofitable marketplaces that governed exchange in early antiquity
essentially you'd bring what you created to the market, everybody would take what they needed, and debt would be tallied but only used to moderate the behavior of the entrants -- regular debt jubilees made sure that long term generational debt didn't upset the society
note that these societies weren't anarchist, nor were they strictly moneyless
i'm not talking about these things to advocate for stalinism btw
>>688570057
>mfw education is already covered under the government
>politely fuck off dear fellow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t7PnrelFdY
I don't like him nor his supporters.
>>688567354
because he's a LOSER. I like winners.
>>688571389
You mean k-12? It is, but it shouldn't be. It's a bloody miracle that the government hasn't gone full 1984 with schools already!
>>688571036
sounds like you're all drunk on the false consciousness of the dialectic, I agree with zizek that 20th century communism was an utter catastrophe, but that doesn't mean that we should nihilistically attempt to cobble together an existence out of total competition
>>688571281
he was much more jolly when he was fat
>>688571281
I said I didn't like foreign aide or welfare
I just think health care companies are a leechy middle man
Dof you want to get rid of taxes? If not, I'm simply saying what I want covered. If yes how does the government get revenue?
>>688571082
Wasn't me in the OP. I was just pointing out your alt righters unhealthy obsession with big black cock.
>>688571156
Probably that huge anti-idpol season they had last year. Not a bad season imo, but it was getting quoted an awful fucking lot for a while there by alt right dudebros. Annoying really.
>>688567354
I already did, twice. Once at my precinct caucus and again as a delegate at the district caucus.
And the reason why I'm not voting for him a third time is because it isn't November yet. I will then.
>>688570022
>>688571637
>sounds like you're all drunk on the false consciousness of the dialectic
Does anyone here speak commie? I need this gibberish translated.
> I agree with zizek that 20th century communism was an utter catastrophe
No shit... +150 million dead? I'd say it failed. Now why should we try again?
>but that doesn't mean that we should nihilistically attempt to cobble together an existence out of total competition
Why not? It's the natural state of things, and it works very well.
>>688572094
>it works very well
no it has regular extinctions
>>688571389
>education is already covered
Oh yes, the wonderful US education plan... of which to get an education outside of k-12 you have to cripple yourself with 10+ years of debt for education you probably won't be able to use.
Glorious, isn't it?
>>688571786
Holy shit, this delusion.
He's finished. Either Hillary is the nominee, or she gets indicted and Uncle Joe Biden takes her spot.
Unless anybody in this thread is super duper fucking rich, this guy is the best bet at equality.
Why would you oppose equality, especially when it benefits you?
(equality = wealth distribution, no tax breaks that do nothing for society as a whole, etc
>>688572236
Study some evolutionary biology kid. You might learn to accept reality.
>>688572094
>Does anyone here speak commie? I need this gibberish translated.
It's the fedora talking.
>>688572282
All schooling should be private.
>>688570022
how'd you do that
>>688572303
so people who actually worked to get what they have are supposed to be ok with someone who did less having the same and the gov. limit their progress how about no
>>688567354
Because I'm not an American citizen.
I would vote for him though. He's the only candidate with a snowball's chance in hell to fix the corruption in the political system. And you could actually fight him on his social justice whipping boy policies. His radical socialism won't pass unless severely moderated and moderate socialism really isn't that bad.
Hillary stands for everything currently wrong with Obama, but more of a corporate whore. And any criticism of her can be surpressed and rebranded as sexism.
Trump has no idea what he's doing. He's saying some of the right things, but he's not gonna do it.
>>688571891
newfag detected
>>688572303
Fuck off commie. Take your hatred of the rich elsewhere.
>>688572294
>Holy shit, this delusion.
I didn't say he was going to be nominated, I said I was voting for him. If Hillary is indicted shit will get even weirder than it already is (who even thought that was possible?), but I'm voting for Bernie one way or the fucking other.
Can't wait to see the complete and utter anarchy that the US will fall into after November kek
>>688572094
>>688572409
you guys are saying we should be more like cancer or bacteria when you say we should be totally competitive
I want you two to study evolutionary biology as much as i have: read Primeval Kinship by Harvard Press
it is a study of human and higher primate social behaviors and the theory that they led to the development of culture
>>688567354
im not voting period. all three candidates are equally garbage, hillary belongs behind bars, Trump has that creepy hitler-esque vice and sanders i feel like would do the least amount of damage to the country. im just waiting for society to finish running itself into the ground
>>688572900
Leftists are going to riot when Trump wins, no doubt about it. They're such a violent bunch.
>>688567354
Because /b is spillover from /pol and /pol is spillover from stormfront.
I'll vite for bernie though.
On a write-in ticket if necessary.
If for no other reason than to spite the special kind of retard that populates this place.
>>688572987
Are you sure you formed your own opinions and aren't just regurgitating what you can remember seeing on your Facebook feed?
It's not that you're wrong, it's just that your post is completely without substance.
>>688572294
uncle joe is getting locked up
>>688572409
>equating economic inequality to evolutionary biology
This is exactly how porky keeps us all in line. We're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
>>688572548
>Ignoring that most of the wealthy are born into it.
I can't wait to see America burn. Oh how I can't wait to see corporations dismantle environmental protections, privatizing everything under the sun so you faggots can drink sewer water and be thankful to your corporate overlords.
But you're "free" right?
>>688573011
If the UK leaves the EU as well, we could be seeing an entire shift of geopolitics as the west will become more confused and less strong
>>688567354
Because 95% of this fucking site is younger than 17.
>>688572980
Oh here we go... "chimps sometimes work together, that proves communism is right!" Look kid, sometimes individuals can form alliances that benefit both parties. It's basically commerce. That's still everyone looking out for #1. It's all individuals competing.
>>688572548
Gov can't limit progress, but they could start taking away the taxes that those companies promised to pay when they started doing business in our country.
Also, welfare people are unavoidable. Nobody is arguing for more nigger money. The progressive movement is leaning towards reinforcing tax laws.
Also, people who are at the bottom provide ALL the labor. They create ALL the goods, and the business wouldn't exist without them.
Now, this doesn't mean that they are owed more for their labor, it just means the business is certainly entitled to protect its workers and paying their own taxes so that they do not displace back onto the consumer (essentially the worker) via throwing a bunch of money into politics.
>>688572548
Well considering that there are way more of us than there are of them... yeah. Basically.
>>688570495
>republics are by and for the people, not by and for a select few powerful miscreants
Republics aren't necessarily representative of the people as a whole. There are many examples of merchant republics that were essentially oligarchic. That said, we must topple all ruling classes.
>>688573149
tbh my opinion is just as invalid as the next persons. i dont know shit about politics, that's just my impression of them all.
>>688573202
The free market is pure darwinian evolution! How do you not know this??? Agreed that eugenics is not darwinian, it's artificial selection.
>>688572589
Delusional grandpa got stuck in the red scare.
>>688573296
>That's still everyone looking out for #1. It's all individuals competing.
That's why the whole purpose of government should be to curb human nature. Because human nature is shit.
>not the fag you're replying to
>>688572303
>Unless anybody in this thread is super duper fucking rich, this guy is the best bet at equality.
I'm not super rich, but I'm definitely better off than a lot of people. Why would I want someone to get a free ride when they can go out and bust their ass for years to get to the same point I am? You entire post is proof of what I've always thought. Sanders supporters are just lazy fuckoffs, are jealous of what other people have, and don't think it's 'fair' that 'rich' people have it, and they don't.
>>688573336
>survival of the fittest
>survival of the fittest
>survival of the fittest
>OMG WHY ARE YOU KILLING US B/C WERE FAT RICH TARGETS
>NOT FAIR NOT FAIR
those guys crack me up every time
>>688573480
I'm scared of pic related.
>>688573163
>>688573503
>That's why the whole purpose of government should be to curb human nature. Because human nature is shit.
What's wrong with competition? It's how nature works, and it works well! Are you against it because you know you'll lose?
>>688568859
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU FAUCKING RETARDED THE ONLY SOCIALIST IN THAT SHITTY IMAGE IS STALIN.
FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AMERICA IS NOT "GREAT" KILL YOURSELF OR GET SOME EDUCATION FAGGOT.
>>688573503
>human nature is shit
i posit that it is within human nature to change its nature
>>688573736
Someone's jimmies got rustled.
Protip: it's in the name.
>national SOCIALISM
>>688573736
>>688573736
should put stalin churchill and fdr together as "cryptofascists" and point out how honest mussolini and hitler were
>>688573690
he is a creepy fuck
>>688573956
by this logic jackie chan is an image board
I'd really forgotten how stupid the people on this site are. Thanks for the reminder.
*hits the x*
>>688573956
Yeah, and you're literally a talking penis because it's in the name: COCKsucker
>>688568859
>>688568908
>>688569036
>>688569140
>>688569206
>>688569510
>>688571036
>>688571614
>>688573973
Come on guys why are you so ignorant, bernie is a social-democrat he's not even socialist, and the nazis either
leftists should go even more left of bernie to get even an inch
obviously thats what the republicans did with the tea party and it fuckin worked
>>688574287
Yeah but the Republicans got all the money.
>>688574317
i don't find anything wrong with this
>>688574274
>>688571281
>Communism and Socialism are different !!
Communism is a school of socialism. And Bernie Sanders is neither. He's what we call a new dealer, aka center left.
He's definitely not the hero he claims to be, but he's nothing like the american stalin. Wtf.
>Communists will kill people
Same tired bullshit by niggers who have a 6 grader knowledge of history. The same kind of people who think socialism is light communism
>>688573721
>What's wrong with competition? It's how nature works, and it works well!
You think the paradigm of human nature is "working"...? You can look at the world around us and not think it's a total fucking nightmare? Are we living on the same planet?
>Are you against it because you know you'll lose?
I love how this is always the capitalist's accusation but no. I just hate the game.
wow are you paranoid mccarthyists really that upset about a milktoast scandanavian style social safety net??
>>688574474
no i didn't say democratic socialism i said socialdemocracy
>>688573690
Holy shit that's creepy
>>688574592
they are different things >>688574474
>>688574541
>MY socialism is perfect and won't kill anyone
>believe me guys, my version will be utopia
>>688567354
The wealth redistribution meme has a long, proud history of sucking people in with its small successes among tiny, homogeneous, hard working groups..before promptly destroying the nation 100% of the time in the large scale.
As your picture says, millions who have walked this earth have gone through this...
and it threw them into poverty and violence every time.
>>688573690
>old man fucks teenager in public.webm
>>688573690
His son passed away so I guess he's losing it a little.. Biden was a good politician though. Still pretty strange stuff.
>>688574287
Bernie Sanders isn't even "the left". Social democrats who want to fix capitalism are moderates. If they aren't telling you they want revolutionary change to replace capitalism with something better, they're not anything close to the left.
In fact, actual "leftists" hate everything about social democrats, liberals, and so-called SJWs except for their potential to one day wake up and become actual socialists.
>>688574545
>You think the paradigm of human nature is "working"...?
I'd say it's "producing". Be it art, working a job, running a business, making discoveries in science... Any of that.
>You can look at the world around us and not think it's a total fucking nightmare? Are we living on the same planet?
It is horrible, the strong are being enslaved to provide welfare for the lazy! It needs to stop.
>I love how this is always the capitalist's accusation but no. I just hate the game.
NEET detected. Get a job scum. Pull your own weight.
>>688574777
My socialism will kill people, anon.
Don't be among these people.
>>688574274
>bernie is a social-democrat
>socialdemocracy
He's done. He's been done. Get over it. You can figure out what you losers want to call your "revolution" at your leisure now.
>>688574992
THIS GUY IS 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% RIGHT
>>688574919
Fuck that.
Roosevelt broke the trusts and we experienced the the roaring 20s. Shit only got bad after they deregulated the shit Teddy did.
>>688573973
>Implying that's not what we want
I'm ready for communism fagget
>>688575165
Ah, an honest leftist! Good for you. At heart, all leftists are violent psychopathic monsters who want to kill those doing better than themselves.
>>688575142
>NEET detected. Get a job scum. Pull your own weight.
I'm 35 and over 2000 miles from the basement, faggot.
>>688574967
I guess you never followed the presidential; race in 2008 when obama picked him. He's been fucking certifiable since then and has only been getting worse. google: joe biden gaffes. They're great
I just voted for him yesterday. It didn't seem to help.
>>688574992
That has to be the most misleading infographic I've ever seen. Where are the gulags? The mass murders? The starvation?
>>688575183
YES.
Fucking thank you. God I'm not alone.
>>688568029
>build up the economy
How is that working out for you since Reagan?
You are already pesants and your work has no value.
>>688575288
Yeah! Everyone who hasn't accepted Jesus into their heart is an evil sinner who will trick your daughters into pre-marital sex and
Wait, what were we talking about again?
>>688574992
We're talking about American politics. Your titles mean nothing in our system, and for fuck's sake, shut the fuck up about it. Fuck
>>688575288
The only reason you know your left from your right is because of your socialist education.
>>688575476
Move to North Korea then. They'd love to have a fellow commie there.
>>688575671
As I said above, it should all be privatized.
>>688575471
Under "state capitalism". State capitalism does pretty much the same thing as American capitalism - mass incarceration, secret torture, exploitation of powerless classes, etc., but in a more organized way.
>>688575424
Me too anon.. me too..
I guess this country isn't ready for greatness when they can't see through Trump or Hillary.
Maybe once more in our lifetime we'll have a second chance for a leader of the people.
>>688575179
I wasn't talking about if he is going to win or not, i just wanted to make clear his ideologies.
not trying to say that will win, nor disturbs me what you think. It was never my intention to fight.
I love you anon ;)
>>688575247
>I'm ready for communism fagget
We know. That's why your lord and savior is done.
>>688575769
Yeah, because that's working so fucking well for everything else. USA! USA! We're number 91! We're number 91!
>>688575788
The fuck are you talking about? "State capitalism"? This another of those buzz words you commies use to try and say "those evil communists weren't REAL communists!"
>>688575288
Under capitalism, when a thief is apprehended, his stolen goods are seized and sold in auctions. That's how the state gets his money back.
Now the only difference is we consider property is theft and we'll do the same trick.
When we off them, we'll scream "they are resisting" before we pull the trigger and everyone will be ok with that
We're not that different anon, join the party.
>>688575937
kek
this
>>688567354
Cause america is the land of the retards
>>688575937
If it were privatized, scores would rise immensely as poor schools would go out of business.
>>688575840
He was still far too right tbh. I want a leader to unite the people and then we can start labor camps. I want to laugh as the wealthy cry and cling on to their last belongings. Seeing them in the mud, dirty, and broken is what I fap to every night. Anybody worth more than a million dollars should be shot.
>>688575476
you're not, comrade
FUCK 21TH CENTURY SOCIALISM
What ever happened to the idea that you work and pay for your own shit? Stop fucking taxing us on everything then we will be able to afford to take care of our own damn selves.
>>688576187
Soooo I own a phone, that means someone else doesn't have this phone so I basically stole it from them? Leftist logic everyone!
>>688571786
/b/ro fist
>>688569530
>>688576310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBl_-CYGZys
I swear to god when my cell was eaten alive from the inside by fucking SJW, I thopught everything was lost.
>>688576264
"scores"? What fucking "scores"? You mean the standardized tests that wouldnt be happening because there would be no incentive to show that you aren't doing as well as the school down the street?
Listen to this shithead talk about "scores" like there is a reason public schools are doing standardized tests NOW is for something other than to get tax money.
>>688576427
Strawman argument. A phone is not a mean of production in any capacity.
>>688571786
>>688575681
north korea isn't actually communist though
communism denotes statelessness, classlessness and pervasive or total egalitarianism
>>688576291
Shh, the worlds not ready yet.
>>688576264
lol
If it were privatized, like healthcare, people would go without. Not sure about you, but I want the person next store to know how to fucking read the street signs.
>>688571786
You're going to vote for someone who isn't the nominee?
>>688576576
Oh yes, the "private" vs "personal" property distinction. I have a PC, I game on it. That's "personal", yes? But as soon as I write a program on it, it's "private" and I'm committing theft through property or somesuch. That about it? There is no clear line between the two.
>>688576576
Different anon here
You said this
>property is theft
Die you fucking faggot
>>688576673
>no true scotsman detected
>>688576882
Yep.
>>688576100
Educate yourself, please - from books, not capitalist propaganda. Authoritarian state capitalism is pretty much the opposite of communism (in which state and class have disappeared). Lenin believed that it was necessary for Russia to go through a period of industrialization to create the proletariat that could realize socialism. But in creating a state-run capitalist society, he necessarily created a ruling class of state bureaucrats who would never allow socialism to become a reality.
Private capitalism gets a ruling class of oligarchs who fuck everything up, and state capitalism gets a ruling class of state bureaucrats who fuck everything up. Not surprising. Turning ownership of the economy over to the people directly would be socialism, and it has not yet been tried.
>>688576819
>If it were privatized, like healthcare, people would go without.
Charity would cover the gaps. People would give more to charities with all the extra income they would have thanks to the lack of taxes and massively increased wages thanks to the lack of government interventions in the market.
>>688571786
>he lives in a caucus state
>>688576927
Dude do you fucking want me to type the full version of the "conquest of the bread"? Fuck you and enjoy having your jobs send overseas by fucking TPP, you dumb cunt.
Because he hasn't been able to get a bill through Congress in thirty fucking years.
>>688576911
>implying capitalist economics doesn't distinguish capital goods from consumer goods
Sounds like you don't understand basic economics, my kulak friend.
>>688577123
Just like the over abundance of charity we have now? We have kids going HUNGRY and you think that there is going to just be enough money to send all the kids to SCHOOL?
>>688577031
Why is it every time communism is tried it turns into the USSR or North Korea? Why would it turn out differently if tried again?
>>688576979
doesn't apply. communism is a word that has a definition, you're talking gold vs fools gold
>>688567918
Fuck. I'm hardcore liberal and I think I just went conservative for a second.
>>688577123
Yeah, the trickle down theory, right? Give people their money and they will help the less fortunate.
Doesn't work.
>>688577157
And?
>>688577232
Just admit it, in a communist society, anyone who produced a program on their own would be killed because they magically became a capitalist.
You Americans who spout "economics 101" are literally retarded and brainwashed by your own society.
All he's going to do to pay for his promises is increase taxes, which means all the policies will be spread out among the 300 million american inhabitants.
It's not like these social policies don't work for Canada, or Europe, or basically anywhere else that's not the states.
M-muh capitalism! My ECONOMIC FREEDOMS!
>>688567354
i supported his policies aside from not acknowledging the time needed to build a solid foundation for them.
free college is great, but the US system is not ready to support it yet. maybe with proper planning, in the next 4 years.
raising taxes will just increase tax avoidance efforts. i agree with trump on lowering taxes to get the money flowing.
if i could have cut and pasted from trump and sanders and made a new candidate from that, i would. both have good policies and ideas but also some bad ones.
>>688577323
People don't give that much because:
1. People don't earn much because businesses are straddled by government regulations.
2. People are taxed so much, they have nothing left to give.
>>688577337
North Korea was attacked savagely by the USA during the cold war and is one of the few countries that actually contained the attack.
Russia lost an incredible number of working men fighting the nazis while you fuckers were fapping on Normandy's beach.
Both recovered and China is now taking your jobs, and selling you products so cheap they are eating your own industry alive
>>688577549
Capitalism is using money to make money.
Take a fucking class, junior.
>>688577564
amerifats think they're so smart but they're too fucking dumb to buy in bulk as a buyers club
fuckin red scare man
>>688570495
>republic
>2016
>not realizing corporations control everything
>>688577389
communism
[kom-yuh-niz-uh m]
Examples
Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
>USSR and North Korea are communist.
>>688576491
kek
>>688577683
So, what about the folks sitting on literally 10s of billions of dollars?
>>688577462
When has it been truly tried? We still have welfare.
>>688577825
that's an incorrect definition, communism is defined as being stateless, classless and egalitarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvaWVOzhgqc
I'll just post that here.
>>688567354
Bernie was a novelty candidate. He had only one idea ("break up" the "big banks") and no plans for how to do so.
>>688577926
You're kidding right? Now you're sounding like the fucking "No True Communism" fucks.
>>688577688
Wait, you're saying that communism fails because of war? You're serious?? It's not the failure of economics?
>>688578140
if words don't mean anything why anything?
>>688577863
DO you not know how much Bill Gates gives away???
>>688578114
Trolls like this only prove that they don't even know the first thing about the conversation.
>>688577976
I got my definition from the god damned dictionary. Where are you getting yours from? Some USSR propaganda?
>>688578292
he has a foundation that's trying to curb birth rates in former colonized states
he's not a benefactor of anything great
>>688578272
Language is important. Learn one.
>>688577337
First of all, "communism" cannot be tried. Communism is the far-future theoretical endpoint of a Marxist-Lenninist version of socialism in which social classes no longer exist and the state is no longer necessary. The next stage in our economic development is properly called "socialism".
>Why is it every time communism is tried it turns into the USSR or North Korea?
The Russian revolution turned into a state-capitalist authoritarian regime for exactly the reasons I gave you in the previous post. You can't go directly from feudalism to socialism. The Soviet-style "communist" countries formed in the 20th century were formed in the Soviet state-capitalist model, with the notable exception of China. But even China was never a socialist country for the same reasons as Russia. Pre-industrial peasants cannot take over and run an industrialized pure democracy - the culture just isn't there yet. And once you create a state capitalism to get through the period of industrialization, you necessarily create a ruling class that must be overthrown to achieve socialism.
>Why would it turn out differently if tried again?
If socialism were implemented, it would involve the total democratic control of all industry, natural resources, and labor allocation. It would mean a smaller, referee state that performed the role of a manager implementing the decisions made by the people instead of a ruler exploiting the people as in private or state capitalism. It's something completely different from what you've imagined.
>>688577123
The rich give less to charity than the poor.
They are money grubbing fucks who want more for themselves and less for everyone else. They already avoid paying taxes by hiding their money in off shore accounts, and exploiting loopholes. You're an absolute fool if you think they will fill the gaps left when you repeal all the social programs.
>>688578405
Stopping them from spreading like rabbits humanely sounds like a damn fine cause to me.
>>688578206
Yes.
Communist countries fared better that the imperial version they overthrown. In the case of China, NK and Russia, it came at the expense of a war of a magnitude no western country has experienced since WWI
Yet, given a choice between Nicolas II and Lenin, russians would be well advised to chose Lenin, as he tripled their amount of disposable income. Russia was a very very very poor country when the communist party took over.
And if you want to get me started on China please say so
>>688578572
>rich give less to charity
>citation needed
>>688578206
no it isn't, the USSR fell beacuse of the bad administration and shitty economical reformes by Gorbachov and his deep desire to dismantle it.
>>688570057
you could replace 'healthcare' with anything - 'food', 'security', 'justice', etc - and that image would make as much sense. The division between what the government does now and government run healthcare is completely arbitrary.
>>688578206
>the cold war bro
>>688578624
Might I suggest you look at this?
>>688573619
>>688578381
>I got my definition from the god damned dictionary
Which is wrong. Yes, that dictionary is wrong. It would probably justify this by saying that the American propaganda version of "communism" is the most common usage in the United States - even though it is wrong, wrong, wrong. You would know it was wrong if you'd ever bothered to read Marx or any socialist theory.
>>688578649
https://philanthropy.com/article/As-Wealthy-Give-Smaller-Share/152481
he's probably thinking of this statistic
source: IRS data
>>688578292
He's an outlier. The majority of the rich give less to charity than the poor.
>>688578703
>The division between what the government does now and government run healthcare is completely arbitrary.
Except for the greedy health insurance executives who are skimming billions of dollars from the pool of money that's supposed to be used to provide care. It's a pretty important difference to them.
>>688578649
What is Google?
>>688578505
>First of all, "communism" cannot be tried.
Then why the fuck are you idiots still trying???
>The Russian revolution turned into a state-capitalist authoritarian regime
"Those communists murdered everyone, they must have been capitalists in disguise!!"
>If socialism were implemented, it would involve the total democratic control of all industry, natural resources, and labor allocation
So we'd need millions of votes every day? Vote to turn on a machine, vote to produce a widget, vote to pay worker # 34567, vote to start working, vote.......
Definitely among the stupidest things I've ever heard!
>>688578775
He strongly supported the War on Terror and the Iraq War initiated by the George W. Bush administration. He argued for an intergovernmental organization of all democracies outside of the United Nations to deal with issues about which the UN cannot or will not act, but particularly to further the promotion of peace, human security, human rights, and democracy—an Alliance of Democracies.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel
He looks like a fucking great guy anon.
>>688579176
Your inability to understand the concept does not make the concept invalid.
>>688567354
>>688578779
>those mass murderers weren't REAL communists!
>please trust me, give me all the power, MY communism will be so wonderful
>>688579176
did you even read the hole shit?
>>688578324
Jesus, not even that guy, but you're inane response to him doesn't really say anything more in the discussion than "nuh-UHHHHHHH".
You'd be better off actually trying to persuade people but you're probably incapable.
>>688579354
>LALALALALALA COMMUNISM IS PERFECT
>LALALALALALA THEY WERE CAPITALISTS IN DISGUISE
>>688579392
No anon. We will do purges and you will applaud them.
>>688579721
Another honest leftist! Wanting to slaughter the innocent and nonbeliever alike.
>>688578779
American propoganda is the bastardisation of the english language
>>688579176
>why the fuck are you idiots still trying??
I've got a great answer for this. For me, communism is a utopian ideal that can never be reached -- and I like it that way. Its a goalpost towards which we may forever reach and never attain, like a mathematical limit as described in calculus
imagine it. perfect society-wide decision making, total activation of every entrant with total access to the capital. every person clothed, fed, taught and employed.
We can however look at our society and say "how close are we?" and ask "how can we get closer?" and then make attempts.
I'm sure you're the type who just says "I'll get what I can", but believe you me, there are people out there who think "I could live in the bronze age if they had to live in the stone age"
>>688579820
No one we will slaughter will be innocent, and we'll make sure you recognize that publicly.
>>688579672
Jesus, not even the guy, but when someone's first fucking post in a thread is something that can be disproven with even a simple google search, it's entry level trolling at BEST.
>>688579176
>Then why the fuck are you idiots still trying???
Actually read for once before you embarrass yourself. Communism is the goal of a particular version of socialism. You try socialism to eventually create communism. You don't implement a communist state - that's a contradiction in terms.
>they must have been capitalists in disguise
The pillars of capitalism:
1. Ownership of capital
2. Market exchange of commodities for the purpose of securing profit
3. Wage labor
The post-Stalin Soviet Union had all three of these, only with the state taking the place of individual capitalists. That's why we say the Soviet Union was state capitalist. Do you actually believe that the citizens of the Soviet Union ran the economy?
>So we'd need millions of votes every day?
>Definitely among the stupidest things I've ever heard!
That's probably why we'd use the ideas of someone who isn't retarded to implement socialism.
You know, in the feudal period there were plenty of people who asked "how can we have a political system without kings?" But then we had bourgeois democracy. Now you're asking "how can we have an economic system without kings?". But we will have socialism.
>>688579820
I see you stopped responding to me. Best choice you've made this entire thread.
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even Bernie's wildest proposals would only take the US more or less back to where it was before Reagan. He's probably no further left than Jimmy Carter.
It's mind boggling to me that people who never shut about about how great the 1950s and 60s were will fight tooth and nail against any similar government (things like social security, medicare, and medicaid were created back then)
>>688573466
On the level of microbes, not animals. You will get one monopole at the end sucking everybody dry.
The market exists to serve us, not the other way around.
>>688577183
You wait in line for bread in canada, the rest of us are gonna make america great again.
>>688579849
>For me, communism is a utopian ideal that can never be reached -- and I like it that way. Its a goalpost towards which we may forever reach and never attain, like a mathematical limit as described in calculus
Yes, that's precisely the idea. Communism is the asymptote of M-L socialism.
>>688580133
WE LOVE THE 50S BUT HOLY SHIT DONT ELECT SOMEONE THAT IS BASICALLY IKE!!
>>688567354
because tits
https://www.pinkcherryaffiliate.com/sextoys.php?id=2630&url=11704
>>688579849
>imagine it. perfect society-wide decision making, total activation of every entrant with total access to the capital. every person clothed, fed, taught and employed.
Thanks anon, I haven't laughed this hard in a long time!
Seriously though, the slaughter of tens of millions just doesn't appeal to me nor to most other people. Same with the mass poverty and famines and secret police and gulags...
>>688580296
It must be hard being so scared of progress.
>>688580296
stop purposefully missing my fuckin point mccarthybot
>>688580296
>Thanks anon, I haven't laughed this hard in a long time!
I hope you realize the kind of morally reprehensible human being that makes you.
>>688580082
>The post-Stalin Soviet Union had all three of these, only with the state taking the place of individual capitalists.
And the state is the embodiment of the people in your ideology. Checkmate statist.
>That's probably why we'd use the ideas of someone who isn't retarded to implement socialism.
Ah! A strong dictator like Stalin or Pol Pot or Mao?
>>688580133
Yeah... America really is an idiocracy...
>>688580296
america today:
>citizen wiretapping, plainclothes officers, a half dozen 3 letter agencies
>more people in prison than were ever in the gulags
just need to get rid of food stamps to become exactly like soviet union with a "capitalist" label on its imperialist economy
>>688580607
How about The Pope? Why doesn't anyone ever include the Pope in the list of dictators?
>>688580274
wasn't it wonderful when republicans were sane?
those were the days
>>688580607
>And the state is the embodiment of the people in your ideology.
But that's exactly what you don't understand. You still think socialism is when the state does stuff. And you still think that because you never read. And you never read because you're a fundamentalist of the American National Religion, and we all know that allahu akbars hate reading.
>>688580825
>imperialist economy
You don't know what you're talking about you stupid child. Shut up, or kill yourself.
>>688571281
I cannot stand this fucking Las Vegas act! Fuck him!
>>688581035
My favorite republican... Christ where the fuck are they now...
>>688581271
>You don't know what you're talking about you stupid child. Shut up, or kill yourself.
Yeah, the socialists are the unreasonable ones who can't defend their nonsensical ideology. Right.
its not about socialism vs. capitalism, it's about socialism vs. imperialism. capital is the trees and rocks and tools and food. capitalism is great, i love utilizing capital to create further capital.
using exchange to create profit using other people's labor to create, package, ship and even sometimes hand-sell the product to amass an immense weaponized fortune? that's evil as fuck and exactly what I'm trying to figure out how to fight
>>688571281
You like your cheap plastic tech far too much to cut off the rest of the world.
>>688581425
okay then i'm going to call it work-togetherism everybody-vote style instead of democratic socialism
what do you think about changing the economy from "get off my lawn style" to everybody votes style work-togetherism?
>>688574317
it's too late for eugenics, you're already here
Because he's a little cuck faggot. I hate his voice, I hate the people who support him and I hate that autistic slack jawed face he makes in EVERY pic taken of him
>>688581271
Invading Middle East constantly in false pretenses to "spread democracy" when it's just to snag their natural resources?
Yep! We aren't imperialists! Those were just business deals!
>>688581875
>all those passive aggressive exclamation points
Lol what a loser
>>688581817
I don't think anything can sum up Bernie Supporters quite like this.
>>688581444
Socialism IS incompatible with capitalism. By allowing individuals to own the means by which a society creates necessary material goods, you give those capitalists an extraordinary amount of social power compared to everyone else who can only exist through wage labor. All of those problems exist because those you allow to hold the power of ownership will always abuse the fuck out of it to extract the best and most secure possible lifestyle for themselves at the expense of everyone else.
Why would I vote for bernie when I could vote for our leader
卐卐TRUMP卐卐
>>688581646
EVERYBODY VOTES STYLE WORKTOGETHERISM NOW!!
Capitalism is using wealth to create wealth.
Socialism is using work to create wealth.
They can and do work together quite well within a system that checks the influences of each on the other. When you start to strip away the People's regulations, you get fucked up shit like wealth disparity and inhumane working conditions.
Fuck all of you idiots that think we have to have one or the other.
>>688567354
Found the berniefag
A: He pretty much has already lost
B: He supports Socialism with the shield of the word "Democratic"
Any Socialist ideals are an infection to our Republic.
>>688581646
Does that include dismantling capitalism and outlawing the private ownership of capital and the institution of democratic management of production?
