What do you think about guns?
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What do you think about guns?
They're cool
>>687848103
cool as shit but totally unnecessary, impractical and dangerous in everyday life unless you live in a 3nd world country
>>687849262
Guns aren't just for self-defense, you idiot. They can be used for recreation, for competitions, and for hunting.
>>687849378
that doesn't make them any more necessary, practical or safe, you idiot
>>687849891
I think guns should be a mandatory possession by law for all non-criminal healthy adults especially in Europe and America
>>687849891
>guns r dangerous
Yeah, if you're a stupid nigger, sure. If you aren't, then you won't shoot yourself in the dick.
They give me boners.
Guns are our friends
>>687849262
Your anti-gun cuck tears make my dick hard
>>687849891
OK SUPER CUCK because more people dont die from blunt objects dose that make hammers unnecessary or what or what about cars or liquor drinking dose absoloutly nothing good alcohol related deaths are 1000 time higher than murder or accidental death so we should ban it right cause its not safe right thats how it works we just want to live in padded room with only safety and food trays with soft corners
I support public acess to firearms
>>687848103
Dangerous and toxic.
Interesting though
>>687849891
Is alcohol necessary? Wanna ban beer, faggot?
Given that gun owners are far more likely to kill themselves or their family members than they are to kill anybody else, I'd say guns are wonderful.
Not as badass as some of their proponents make out, but still fun and altogether necessary for a free and safe populace.
>>687850995
>toxic
Quit trying to drink guns you fucking moron
Guns are great for normal gun owners. Great at defending your house against niggers and putting food on your table as well. And of course just cool in general because who doesnt love a hand cannon?
Can be a decent tool or means of recreation.
Most are unnecessary.
And a lot of people just seem to want the freedom to hold onto whatever death machine they can find without really caring about whether it's necessary or worth the money.
If tanks were cheap, you can bet your ass every American would own one before worrying about putting any food on the table.
>>687851357
Ya gotta admit it would be fun as fuck to take out dozens of coyotes or hogs with an Abrams MBT
>>687851357
>>687849262
>>687849891
>>687848103
I own a dozen or so. Lot's of fun. Some for hunting, some for plinking and target, some for home defense. I've owned at least one gun for over 20 years... never shot anyone. Then again... I'm not a fucking psychopath.
>>687851707
Shut up Holmes.
>>687851925
No, no, that can't be right. If you own a gun you with 100% KILL YOURSELF OR SHOOT A FAMILY MEMBER I SAW IT ON HUFFINGTON POST
>>687850842
I'm not anti-gun, I said i thought they're cool, just that they are totally unnecessary, impractical and dangerous in everyday life unless you live in a 3nd world country, which is true
>>687850592
guns are made to kill things, that doesn't really sound like safety to me...
>>687850882
the sole purpose of those things is not to maim, injure or kill, therefore your retarded, tired out argument is yet again proved invalid
>>687848103
Okay serious question /b/ what reason do antigun activists have for reasons against gun ownership? Personally I can only see one possible reason which is 'If everyone has a gun then criminals can more easily obtain them' but that's retarded as criminals can get guns anyway.
>>687852110
kek
>>687852382
>making guns illegal wont stop criminals from getting guns
>making drugs illegal will stop criminals from
getting drugs
this is your logic, wat
>>687852370
>unless you live in a 3nd world country, which is true
Localized disasters do happen, though. My family went thru the LA Riots, dad had a shotgun because shit was getting crazy out in the streets. Same with Hurricane Katrina, no cops, people start going crazy and I would want a gun if I was there.
The idea that you can always rely on the police or government for protection is laughable and shows how naive some people are.
>>687852382
Are you actually asking? Just read this thread, then come back tomorrow and read the exact same thread again until you collect em all. The arguments come here literally every single day.
Lurk moar faggot.
>>687848103
they go kablooeybangitybang
>>687850842
Moe k2? Does it work well on rifle? I thought it was meant for pistol
FACT: 90% of Hoplophobic men have Testosterone levels low enough to warrant medical intervention.
>>687851044
>I believe dumb shit I read on the internet: the post
>>687848103
you shouldn't worry about what i think about gun
>>687848103
Pretty anti-gun. I'd at least like to remove large magazines from the market. Ban semi-automatics as they're easily made automatic. Pretty sure that'll get done within my lifetime.
>>687853222
Not a K2, that's a MIAD
>>687853433
Pretty sure it won't. Guns are an integral part of our lives and thats the way it stays
>>687853433
>I have no idea what I'm talking about: the post
>>687853045
Nope.tiff
>>687853433
> I'd at least like to remove large magazines from the market.
3D printers can print mags you retard. fucking kek, nice try tho faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGTriDDUpUk
>>687853543
I see. You like? I need furniture for my 80% lower ghost gun baby killer .30 caliber clip gun
gr8 b8 m8
Theyre fine. The problems is the arrogant, ignorant, self righteous paranoid faggots screaming about the constitution
>>687853433
I hope you get shot in the head
>>687852370
sole purpose of a gun is not to maim injure or kill they can dosent mean they will therefore your argument is outdated and invalid i bet you went to college and believed your professors words to a T. but you wont accept the fact that 99.99 percent of the guns in the us will never be used against another human mostly for target practice or hunting. so everything your liberal commie college professors slid in your mind is wrong and unsupported. if you remove black on black crime statistics the us has the lowest rate of violent crime in the world. already lower than the UK with the darkies per 100k. good luck with your humble pie dude come to middle America and see how safe it it is compared to wherever fagville you live at
>>687851357
How people spend their money is none of your business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU
>OMG GUNS KILL PPLZ
>We must make sure no one owns one!11!!!
>Make guns illegal!
>But make drugs legal!
I'm confused. Every person should have the right to own a gun. Not be forced or banned from owning guns but should have the right to.
Surely the second amendment was written to ensure the people would never again have to live without power against a government and thus be able to rise up like they did against the British Empire? Right?
>>687853825
Sure, works fine. I also like the more basic magpul MOE grip. Both take inserts which I nice, I keep extra CR123 lithium batteries for my surefire light in the grip.
>>687848103
I'm fine with semi automatic firearms but I don't see why anyone needs full auto or even 3 round burst. None of the usual gun arguments apply.
>hunting
So you enjoy shredding animals to pieces instead of cooking an eating them with friends and family around a fire? You're a wasteful cunt.
>self defense
Why not be realistic about it? I own a gun and I if I use it for self defense, I only want to fire one shot. Are you looking for an excuse to ruin your house? Also, the point of self defense is not to kill the other person, it's to incapacitate them if you can. They still deserve a fair trial.
>sport shooting
Fully automatic guns take the fun out of sport shooting. Who cares about accuracy when you can spray your targets to compensate for a little penis.
>>687853966
Problems are criminals and the faggots who think we should give up guns for safety
>>687854179
Full auto = fun mode
Why wouldn't anyone like that?
>>687848103
Buying an ar-15 soon, own a mosin. so, i'd say i'm pro guns.
>inb4 murica
>>687854179
I hope a nigger mows you down in full auto
>>687854324
Not that anon but it's kind unnecessary.
>>687854206
yea them as well
>>687854179
>So you enjoy shredding animals to pieces instead of cooking an eating them with friends and family around a fire? You're a wasteful cunt.
You realize not all hunting is for meat, right? I assume you don't live in hog or coyote areas, those varmints are legally hunted to thin their numbers, not for food. I could see burst fire being useful to effectively dispatch large groups of both pests.
>>687848103
I'm thinking about buying one.
>>687853748
Prove it you faggot.
>>687854502
If you live in Murica you better hurry up, shit is going to get more difficult to find as we get closer to election time.
>>687854324
Because it's like those faggy soccer teams for sensitive kids where everyone gets a trophy. It's useless and encourages people to be weak, spineless, and not put in genuine effort. Utterly useless.
>>687848103
theyre cool, ppl just need to be educated about them
>>687854417
Not really. In my opinion don't give the cops anything we're not allowed to have
Machine guns are fucking bomb son, I shot a lot of them in the infantry
>>687852863
Most people's sense of security is only relying on someone else to provide it. Well during disasters those forces are elsewhere. All those idiots that are like "Bwuh, I'm a man, I can fight with my fists!" Are fucking insane. The majority of the people out there can't fight worth a shit.
>>687848103
I like em
Have a couple myself
>>687854502
Get a pistol. I like HK and smith and wesson but you gotta go try some out at the range and see what you like
>>687849262
>i can't trust myself with a gun
>>687854519
>posts screenshot
>ewe did that in paint1
>ok.jpg
Yeah, I'll pass.
>>687854519
>>687850383
You underestimate how retarded and unstable much of society is. Giving people a deadly weapon even without a record but who are unstable is not good. Just look at how quickly people become irrational and pissed while driving. If everyone had a gun then nobody would respect guns. Your idea is bad.
>>687854119
what are you doing making sense?
y u do dis
>>687854590
Good for having fun tho
>>687848103
I think that it is too late to effectively ban guns in america, you will only be taking away a great deterrent for lawful citizens. Its not likemost criminals get their guns legally anyways. I am for more stiffer background checks and regular validation on gun licenses.
>>687854958
>Vermont
>Most lax gun laws in America
>No permit required to conceal carry
>Murder rate 30% lower than Canada per capita
>>687848103
Well they keep the negroes off my yard so they can't be too bad.
>>687849891
Unnecessary like the 90% of the stuff we like, imbecile
>>687854404
I live in a white neighborhood. It's pretty quiet. Last nigger that was killed here tried to rob a convenience store and was shot by the owner. Also go back to /pol/ you animal.
>>687854463
>what is aiming?
Learn to aim you weapon correctly, pleb.
>>687854958
There have been times when everyone was expected to have a gun, like in the 1800s. And yes, guns were probably more respected then than they are now. Safe responsible gun ownership should be a staple element of our lives a lot more than it is now
>>687855048
Guns are not toys.
>>687852110
KYS Faggot
>>687854095
I'm doing engineering in Ireland so that little bit of preconceived bullfuck about college is totally invalid... Ireland is totally safe enough for me and we have some of the strictest gun laws in the EU...
>>687848103
Guns should jave never existed.
Only real men fight with swords
>>687855089
guns are a necessary deterrent.
>>687852863
This guy gets it.
You are not a man if you defer your protection, and your family's protection to some anonymous, unaccountable stranger.
Even outside of civil unrest and disaster like in Baltimore, Ferguson, LA and Katrina, the police ARE NOT required to protect you. There is no law requiring police to intervene.
What happened during Columbine?
The first responders were there within 2 minutes. Yet the shooting lasted 40 or so minutes.
They established a perimeter, secured the location, but DID NOT attempt to intervene. DID NOT attempt to stop it.
>>687855291
>We should give up things because i personally dont deem them necessary.
You're the animal
>>687855283
yeah but that other stuff isn't inherently connected to killing, injuring and maiming things
>>687855426
In a controlled environment (range) and with proper safety precautions they can be fun. I never said they're toys
>>687853433
Pretty hard to make any semi-auto a full auto you asshat. You need a gunsmith and a parts kit, one won't even touch your gun and the other is next to impossible to get ahold of. If you are talking about bumpfire stocks... Still not fully auto, it's more of an exploit. The ATF knows everyone who bought one... which are 100% LEGAL.
Large Mags aren't the problem. Guns aren't the problem. People are the fucking problem. We've degraded to shoot first and not worry about the consequences society. People can't handle shade being thrown their way, they have to kill the person they disagree with. MENTAL HEALTH.
Also shows how naive you are. All I have to do is pay for a tax stamp, and 10grand for the gun and I can have a LEGAL fully automatic gun/silencer/ what ever.
>>687855892
>Cars kill people
>fast food kills people
>cigarettes kill people
>alcohol kills people
>other weapons kill people
None of these are illegal
>>687855596
Smart men fight with guns.
>>687856513
Smart men don't fight, but when they have to it's with a gun.
>>687855596
Get out of here you weeaboo faggot. Come at me with a sword and see what happens.
>>687856169
Yeah, but guns makey boomy boom scawy noiseys BAN BAN BAN
>>687848103
They're like Volvos. Kinda cool, owned by assholes.
>>687854958
The only thing not on record now is the private sales. Hell 99% of the guns you buy now are in a database, they come with a spent cartridge that let's you know that they shot the gun and recorded the ballistic data... should you use the gun in a way not intended... they will find you.
>>687856169
>cars are a valid and necessary form of transport, they are not purposefully designed to kill things
>fast food is food, it is made to be eaten, you cannot kill other, innocent people with fast food, you fucking retard
>cigarettes and alcohol are recreational stress relieving drugs that are voluntarily consumed by the involved parties, again, you cannot purposefully kill, injure or maim someone using these products
>other weapons, like what, other guns? crossbows? both should have laws. knives? not nearly as effective or easy to kill people with
I think thats all those retarded arguments debunked fairly validly, yet AGAIN, come on guys, I thought you guys thought you were smart, surely you can do better than this
>>687856867
>Fag
That's not the case
>>687857068
>implying self-defense and hunting aren't lawful activities
>>687850882
>implying all alcohol related deaths are deliberate.
Well done, cunt. Why don't you lurk some more?
>>687856799
I agree with this dude. And I'm a liberal.
>>687854417
The reason people buy full auto's is because they can. I don't tell you how to spend your money. If you want to buy 5 gigantic anime rubber asses and fuck the shit out of them... more power to you.
>>687855721
>>687857232
I never implied that, learn to read laaaaad
>>687857086
Most of the guys in the club and at the range are assholes, and I'm not so delusional I consider myself particularly nice or friendly.
But I haven't got a Volvo, so it's gotta be the gun-thing.
>>687854179
It's not that people need them. It's that we have the ability to buy them. We are allowed to purchase military grade hardware because rights. And fuck anyone who tells me I can't spend my money how I want, especially if I'm a law abiding citizen who passes all the required checks.
>>687857068
Your argument is that each weapon stated above has an auxiliary purpose. Well guns can also be used to apply immense force from a remote location.
>>687857068
>nobody ever used alcohol to kill anybody.
>>687857855
how bout when you drive drunk?
>>687857668
no, my argument is that those things are not designed to purposefully kill, injure or maim people, guns, on the other hand, are
>>687857520
So then you have no argument? I don't get the point of your original comment.
Guns are mostly used for lawful purposes, and cause far less death than many other lawful things.
>>687848103
BAN ALL GUNS
THERE ARE MULTIPLE STUDIES THAT PROOF GUNS MAKE PEOPLE VIOLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>687858285
>>687848103
Primitive earthling weaponry
tterrifying :(
>>687858193
neither are guns. they'd do the exact opposite if one of them was pointed at you. in other words they serve more as deterrents than as a weapon, it's when placed in the hands of someone with intent to maim kill, injure and whatever that they actually become dangerous. so their purpose is relative. pls don't get mad
>>687858193
The guns we buy today are not intended for militaristic purposes. People buy them because we can. They buy them to shoot stuff (not humans). Today, guns being used to kill people is an auxiliary purpose.
Nuclear power was conceived to kill countless people. Yet, today, it's used for the benefit of all mankind.
>>687848103
They're sexy as fuck.
they make me anxious
>>687858805
>benefit of all mankind
Yeah, well. . that's a little naive, Anon. But sweet. Really.
You're not supposed to be here until you're 18.
>>687858193
Is killing always unlawful? No, it's not. Killing animals is lawful with permits, shit with hogs you don't even need a permit in most states. Killing in self-defense is lawful, too.
Many things are designed to kill.
Should Ka-bar knives be banned? Or are they not "effective" enough to meet your arbitrary "scariness" threshold?
Your entire argument is based on feelz and your own fear.
>>687858529
Do you have a plasma rifle in the 40 megawatt range?
Gun control legislation has done more to enable gun-related violence than it has to reduce it. Much to a point where these public shooters become martyrs that forward liberal agenda, so there's a big smile on Obama's face every time a school gets shot up.
>>687855773
>still not denying he browses /pol/ like the human garbage he is
>we might as well not have any laws at all because I have muh guns
It's honestly this level of retardation that makes me ashamed to be an American
>>687857589
Do you think you are also entitled to the right to buy nuclear weapons? What makes your fully automatic weapons different? Both are only useful for killing and destruction.
>>687853301
kek
good work /k/omrade
>>687859512
Because we need to be able to match our own military force should there be a need to rise against tyranny. How can we do that with muzzle loaders. Trust me, your liberal ass would very much appreciate it.
>>687857314
god those asses look so fuck worthy though. Can't wait until they make sex bots that hot. I heard those things are like, 80 pounds too.
>>687859843
>leftist logic
>>687859512
Your argument isn't coherent because nuclear weapons shouldn't even exist. But they do anyway, and therefore very strict controls need to be placed on the possession of them because they're just too dangerous.
Machine guns, rocket launchers, shotguns and pistols in the hands of everyday civilians should be legal
>>687859843
>implying
I'm a conservative. An easy solution to that problem is to take the guns from the soldiers you kill. It's basically what every successful rebellion throughout history has done. Steal the weapons you need. Think of your own weapons as matches to start a fire, you stupid fuck.
>>687853433
>I'd at least like to remove large magazines from the market
Why? And how would you go about collecting the millions and millions that are already in private hands?
>Ban semi-automatics as they're easily made automatic
But that's already illegal. And you'd be banning virtually every modern firearm on the market
>Pretty sure that'll get done within my lifetime
Not a fat chance commie
>>687848103
God created man and samuel colt made them equal.
>>687860448
If that's your option, so be it. But the second amendment prevents us from having to do that and should continue to do so. Btw, you don't sound like a conservative ;)
>>687854417
>but it's kind unnecessary
Since when has necessity had anything to do with it?
>>687860448
Combine that with recruiting soldiers to your cause.
Then you'll gain the trained soldiers as well as weapons and other combat equipment.
>>687860799
Amen
>>687860363
What the fuck do you need a rocket launcher for other than killing and mass destruction? What is one practical, everyday use that it has? Name one.
Bans fix nothing
the violence doesn't go away
they just use zip guns and knives instead
sure you stopped that 6 kill spree
but 47 people still got stabbed in Detroit before 8AM even rolled around and it'll happen again tomorrow
fucking pointless
>>687861293
Having fun blowing shit up at a range?
Name one faggot, either you or someone you know who wouldn't want to go shoot a rocket at an old fucked up car in the middle of nowhere.
>>687849262
>unnecessary, impractical and dangerous
>>687861293
I can take out a whole herd of filthy boar swine with it.
>>687860448
Really? It wasn't an opposing country supplying them with adequate firepower? I need to retake history.
>>687853620
>>687861281
Hallelujah brother.
>>687861293
Something doesn't have to be practical to be fun and to possess
What is it with you people and "need"?
>>687861811
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
>>687854519
>>687861857
Not our fault we have to keep the world in check
>>687861920
He has a needy mentality
Must be more govt control. He should ho to North Korea and get an education on how governments really control their people
The kike owns majority stock in most of the gun companies
The kike made all the gun registration laws just like it did in the during Weimar Republic
The kike will confiscate your guns when the time comes for martial law
While you bitch about the loss of your expensive equipment, I'll ask you: "What the fuck did you idiots think would happen?"
>>687862222
Quads of truth
>>687861028
>you don't sound like a conservative
That's because I've thought about this whole thing for years and I'm sick of my fellow Amerifats shooting each other. I'm also sick of entitled kids shooting up schools and other public places with the fully automatic weapons they get from their retarded hillbilly parents. I don't want all guns banned, that always causes problems. I do want them to be regulated a bit like they are in Germany. You need a legitimate reason to own one. I'd also like better background checks, higher taxes, and longer waiting periods to get them. I don't see what's unreasonable about that. I've never felt that I need more than a shotgun to defend myself or my home anyway.
>>687861857
What the absolute fuck? There were 21 years where some commie motherfuckers didn't get their freedom bombs?
>>687848103
I think they're really fun to shoot, and I love being able to hunt my own meat.
Unfortunately Americans have proven that as a nation, they're not mature or intelligent enough to responsibly use them. Sure there are individuals who use them maturely, but as a whole, Americans don't deserve guns.
>>687862363
>You need a legitimate reason to own one.
I've got one.
Because I fucking want one.
>Higher taxes
More people die from motor vehicle accidents so maybe we should raise the taxes on them too?
>I've never felt that I need more than a shotgun to defend myself or my home anyway.
The classic rebuttal. I really don't give a shit what you think you need. My owner a gun has nothing to do with your needs. I bet your also pro-choice, except when it comes to guns.
>>687862363
>fully automatic weapons
>>687862363
> I'm sick of my fellow Amerifats shooting each other
Pic related
>shooting up schools and other public places with the fully automatic weapons they get from their retarded hillbilly parents
They aren't fully automatic weapons retard, they are semi auto like literally every other modern firearm on the market
Full auto guns have been highly restricted and controlled for decades in America and are exceedingly expensive to obtain and require tons of paperwork and background checks
>You need a legitimate reason to own one
Sorry about Nazi Germany, but in America the only reason I need to cite to own a gun or 10 is the 2nd amendment
>I'd also like better background checks, higher taxes, and longer waiting periods to get them
How will making it harder for law abiding innocent citizens to get guns to defend themselves against criminals stop criminals from already having their guns illegally?
>I've never felt that I need more than a shotgun to defend myself or my home anyway
The fuck does that have to do with anything? Just because you feel you don't need something means others don't?
Try living in Texas near the Mexican boarder with armed and dangerous cartels running drugs across your land and tell me you'd only want a shotgun
>>687862046
is this shogun: total war II?
>>687853433
>remove large magazines from the market
>Ban semi-automatics as they're easily made automatic
How hard do you think it is to make a small magazine larger? They're literally just a box with a spring. Way simpler than making a full auto
>>687848103
I think that they will save me when my government come to kill me with apaches and preditor drones.
>hurr durr hillybilly logic
I think that they are an extension for my tiny penis.
>>687863238
Dunno, saved it from /k/
>>687863352
>not knowing history
Good luck getting predator drones in the air when your airfield is overrun and half the armed forces defect.
>>687861542
>>687861586
>>687861920
>>687862176
see >>687862363
The problem I often encounter with Americans is that they're totally irrational. I hate that this county is split in half with faggots on one side and rednecks on the other. Everyone I talk to is either for banning all guns or keeping them all. This all or nothing mentality on both sides is childish. It's hilarious to watch both sides bitch and moan and claim moral superiority over the other. America is one of the worst places to live because Americans are all rude cunts who can't see past their own noses which are usually up their asses along with the rest of their heads.
>>687862949
Wrong again. Abortion is murder :^)
>>687863143
>try living in texas
Never
>>687863352
Yeah, because they would totally level a suburban street to kill someone with an AR15
>>687863352
>I think that they will save me when my government come to kill me with apaches and preditor drones.
>hurr durr hillybilly logic
No newfriend, drones and apaches are for bombing your 3rd world shithole
>>687852370
Are you retarted? How are guns dangerous? You can leave them alone and they literally do nothing. It's the people that use them are dangerous, and that's only sometimes. Go do us all a favor and stab yourself in the jugular you leftwing dumb nigger
>>687857245
those murders weren't my fault. why should i have to pay. most murders with guns (nigger gang shit) are done with illegal fire arms
>>687863617
what you need an ar for in a suburban neighborhood for then you silly little tard?
>>687863589
You didn't counter any of the arguments, you just went full ad hominem in your attacks
Do you have a point or are you just going to keep up the emotional elitist mentality?
>>687848103
>What do you think about guns?
I like guns.
>>687863617
kek'd
>>687863840
Since when has need had to do with anything?
I don't live in a crime free utopia, I don't know about you
>>687863878
Scroll up and read, downie. I can't do it for you.
>>687863840
>>687863617
This fag is right
I like how most the people in here aren't old enough to buy their own firearms, yet run their mouths like they know what they're talking about.
>>687863589
You clearly have no idea what America is really like, and you keep spewing complete bullshit.
Careful there, "mate." Your ignorance is showing.
>>687864122
I fail to see any rational arguments
America has already banned lots of guns, and has a ton of gun control laws on the books, we don't need to ban anymore
>>687864416
basically bernie supporters
>>687864416
>aren't old enough
I don't know about you, but I'm probably too old to be here.
Fun. Especially at school with friends.
>>687864595
The ones who bring them to school don't have any friends
>>687864564
Truth!
fucking love guns.
>>687863840
Shooting paper, shooting burglars, tagging uniforms from 100 yards if the revolution ever comes, pissing off people who don't like guns, generating the occasional soccer mom story.
Thing is, not not about what I need. Never has been. Its about what people in favor of more regulation need. They lack the power to do anything. Even if they found the votes or had a precedent, which they don't, nothing I own has ever been registered. There is no record of me owning it. Even with an Australian style confiscation, they'd need my consent, they'd need to persuade me. I have rifles which have literally never had paperwork at any point in their manufacture. I have handguns which have been sold three times since they were last in a black book. Hell, I have a pre-ban AR with three sales since black book and the ability to take a conversion kit.
The only way this country ever gets meaningful regulations of firearms is if you convince the kinds of people who think the only thing Timothy McVeigh did wrong was not do enough research to know there was a daycare in the building.
>>687863589
You don't know shit about America except what your state approved media feeds you, and have no basis to pass judgement on us
Fuck off
AK-47 better.
Let me give you guys a new perpective. I live in Portugal (inb4 europoor). We have no guns here, not even the majority of criminals have guns. Its really hard to get a gun. Even police is not heavily armed.
I like guns i think they must be fun. But i wouldnt want any psycho to be able to get one. So i would rather nobody other than the police force military and p.security to have them.
But if i lived in the U.S i would be pro gun under the condition that you register it and u have a small mental evaluation before u buy it. And u are required to have a small safety lesson about guns. In the US there is low PoP.density, so there are many areas where police is just not close enough, and you have many gang nigger problems, so its a diferent thing. If i went to the USA i would probably want to get a gun to defend myself in self defense.
>>687865095
Than what and in what situation?
>>687863589
Spot the nu male
>>687854179
You shoot to mame instead of kill and your ass is going to jail. How many people that have had to defend their lives shoot one time and then lay the gun down you stupid fuck? None. If the person attacking you has a gun chances are they are shooting at you.
>>687863589
>The problem I often encounter with Americans
>Americans
I want a rifle just to own it, but a good one is expensive and I don't have that kinda $. rather spend it on motorcycle upgrades
>>687865390
>mame
>>687863589
>muh dumb americans
name one "rational" gun control proposition that youre in favor of and ill tell youre retarded
>>687848103
I think they're very interesting. I'd like to shoot many of them one day, but I live in a country that barely allows hunting shotguns. So I'll have to travle to shoot AK74s n shit
>>687863238
Yes it is, probably one of the expansions.
>>687864758
trump2016 #murica
>>687865347
It's the responsibility of the citizens like you to keep your government in check, so for Portugal to allow gun ownership would end up being beneficial to your society.
America for Afrikans!!1! Anglo-Saxon colonist must deported!!!
>>687865755
Not an argument
>>687853433
>that pic
I would see the fuck out of that movie.
Even it it was an Adam Sandler movie.
>>687863589
Its funny that you say that, as my friends from outside the U.S.A., which include people from Japan, Australia, Sweden, the UK, Spain, and France, all agree that U.S. citizens tend to be some of the friendliest people they meet, including their own people.
>>687865347
>psych evals
So, lets get down to basics on this. I'm a shrink. From a professional perspective, I'd love psych evals because they'd generate all kinds of billable hours. The problem is that pretty much anyone can hold it together well enough for an interview. The kinds of people who can't, those in an active manic episode, schizophrenics, etc, are already going to ping the NICS database because they've had an inpatient situation. A more comprehensive evaluation, one with actual testing, is going to run in the hundreds of dollars, probably close to a grand.
Psych evals are code for increasing entry cost and reducing access to a constitutional right for the poor. Fuck that.
>>687865755
I'm not a Trump supporter. Hillary can eat a bag of dicks, too. Voting for president only grants legitimacy to an illegitimate system.
Nice try, though, you got your (you).
>>687865095
Eh, round's slightly heavier and slower
More rugged rifle, but less accurate. Better barrier penetration, but more bullet drop.
There's a reason why even the Russkies moved to the 5.45 AK-74 over the 7.62 AK-47
How bouts a cert process. Make it illegal to sell guns to ppl who do not carry a categorized certification for the weapon they are attempting to buy. The certifications can have safety, operation, and psychological/criminal background requirements. The higher the cert, the more exotic the gun type. Even libs can't say no to that.
Any Democratic Party - utopian crap about "equality" on par with communism. America needs a traditionalists goverment.
>>687866139
This
>>687866741
I don't see any mention of certifications in the 2nd amendment
How about a certification for the 1st amendment so that only "approved" people can speak openly?
The higher the cert, the more exotic of ideas can be said
No different than limiting the 2nd amendment in that way right?
>>687866741
We've had that system in Illinois since 1968. Chicago has had 1557 shootings with 240 fatalities year to date.
>>687866741
>certification
>issued by who
>how much does this cost
>how about fuck off
>>687848103
>murrican
i dont like pistols. rilfes, shotguns, mounted, missles, basically anything else is fine, but i dont like hand guns small enough to shoot yourself in the face
>>687867389
wut
>>687867389
>i dont like hand guns small enough to shoot yourself in the face
Says someone who has never had to try to figure out how to conceal a weapon when its 90 degrees and 90% humidity.
>>687867224
No we don't, you fuck.
Just get an FOID and as long as you're outside of cook, you're good to go.
It's just Chi and Cook, and a few outliers like Highland Park that have "assault weapons" bans and mag cap limits.
Short barreled rifles and shotguns, "destructive devices" and autos are banned under state law no matter what.
>>687848103
I think they're tools that I wish no one should ever need to use but that sometimes is needed.
I keep my gun with my register at corporation.
Love em
>>687867611
>No we don't, you fuck.
FOID is essentially a cert system. Its not type specific, but my point was that the kinds of people who go to the effort of getting a cert aren't the kinds of people who commit crimes. Its not like the gang bangers killing each other in Chicago have carry licenses.
>It's just Chi and Cook, and a few outliers like Highland Park that have "assault weapons" bans and mag cap limits.
Chicago basically doesn't have one as they're afraid of creating a test case. I know CPD officers who have been specifically instructed to only enforce the AWB if someone doesn't have a FOID. The city is terrified of Gottlieb getting another giant novelty check.
Also, the mag cap limit doesn't apply to handguns. Preemption, baby!
>
Short barreled rifles and shotguns, "destructive devices" and autos are banned under state law no matter what.
You can actually get short barrels now if you have a C&R. The ISRA tricked Quinn into thinking it was a bill allowing for historical reenactors. Look up Public Act 097-0936. Theres a CLEO requirement, but thats going away soon if you get a trust because Obama fucked up the language in one of his EOs.
>>687851181
>>687867097
Your knowledge of the amendments is, like the amendments, limited. The first amendment does, indeed have restrictions and criteria. Slander and libel for example are illegal. Bearing of arms is conditional and mainly applies to the defense against tyranny, right now it doesn't seem we're getting ruled hard, so second amendment is a pretty moot point at right now. so why don't you fuck off?
>>687853433
>Pretty sure that'll get done within my lifetime
No
>>687851181
You don't drink guns, anon. You eat them. And to be fair they ARE lethally toxic in that context.
>>687868582
> it doesn't seem we're getting ruled hard
Note that that is more likely to change if there are few guns among the populace.
>>687868582
>Your knowledge of the amendments is, like the amendments, limited. The first amendment does, indeed have restrictions and criteria. Slander and libel for example are illegal.
So would you advocate that the Second Amendment be treated similarly to the First in the ways the courts allow it to be regulated?
>>687868582
>Bearing of arms is conditional and mainly applies to the defense against tyranny, right now it doesn't seem we're getting ruled hard, so second amendment is a pretty moot point at right now.
>My house is not on fire right now, so let's get rid of all the fire extinguishers
Jesus and you tell me to fuck off? fucking lel
>>687866139
>he kinds of people who can't, those in an active manic episode, schizophrenics, etc, are already going to ping the NICS database because they've had an inpatient situation.
...All crazy people have already been a patient already? You don't think there are any crazy people who have never seen a shrink?
You don't think it would have caught Cho?
>>687854901
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>>687869012
> advocate that the Second Amendment be treated similarly to the First in the ways the courts allow it to be regulated?
Of course, and there is enough regulation already. Go and buy a working machine gun. I double plus dare you.
>>687869208
>Go and buy a working machine gun. I double plus dare you
If you find one for sale and have enough money and follow the paperwork to transfer it to your name, that's done fairly easily
>>687866682
K m8, but AK-47 much cheeper, this weapon can equip any banana republic or a small state.
>>687868371
Oh my god
Holy shit, that's the bowtie badass featured on Penn and Teller
How did I not know about this?
FUCKING GLORIOUS
>>687868364
have about the same set up.
guns will never leave our hands.
>>687869429
>guns will never leave our hands
Oh but they're trying with the "gun violence restraining orders" that do away with due process
>>687869429
Nice, I just finished that ar last month it's chambered in .300blackout
>>687865359
In a medium distance. In the jungle, such as
>>687848103
I think they are fine instruments for killing and that maybe most people shouldnt be able to get a hold of one quite as easily as they can now. Maybe only trained personell should be able to keep and carry one. Like most soldiers and a few cops.
>>687869095
Not all crazy people have been in-patient, no, but the kinds of people who are going to be obviously crazy in an hour interview generally have. No, I don't think a mandatory psych eval would have caught Cho, especially if someone is able to shop around to different providers and I can guarantee you that you'll have hard push back from clinicians and the broader medical community about a requirement to report anyone seeking an eval and the result of that eval. At that point you're not even fighting the NRA anymore, you're fighting the AMA and the APA. You also have the issue of how Lanza got his guns.
Thats beside the larger point, though. The vast majority of people killed with guns in the US aren't killed by Cho, they're killed by felons who were already ineligible to own a weapon. If you want to get shootings down, you need to go after straw purchasers.
>>687869337
Depends on where you live. Some states outright ban the civilian ownership of full auto weaponry. Now you can circumvent this by having a business own it instead, but that's a pain.
Ah, the second admendment debates.
While we're here, I'd like to suggest we treat hard encryption like the "military grade" device it's labeled as and protect it under the 2nd amendment.
>>687869847
The vast, vast majority of people killed with guns in the US pulled the trigger themselves.
>>687848103
We love guns here.
Don't feel like typing a lot right now though.
>>687869830
Civilians should be able to have full auto weapons
>>687848103
For manlets, betas males and such.
>>687870160
Agreed
>>687870195
>I only protect m'lady with m'fists and m'katana
>>687870195
>Relying on someone else to defend D protect you and yours
>relying on someone else to produce, slaughter and prep your food
Real alpha there
>>687848103
Remind anons in Germany are allowed to carry a gun? In the case of immigrants it is used very helpful ...
>>687869642
who would they actually send in to collect the weapons.
>>687870281
Europe too. Mandates should be made that civilian adults who aren't crazy or a felon should be able to own and use machine guns too
>>687869830
Nice appeal to authority argument
You realize people with concealed carry permits commit less crimes and have lower error rates than cops right?
>>687850383
but fuck healthcare for all, am i rite
>>687864430
>no idea what America is really like
I live here
>>687870540
People with guns
>>687870570
Agreed as well; as long as you haven't done anything to lose your right to a gun you should be able to have them and buy them easily.
>>687870706
I hope you get cancer and cannot afford to live. bet you'll be begging for it then.
Canada>America
>>687848103
I own a bunch, but honestly don't care anymore. I carry every day, so it's just another tool I have or something in my pocket like a wallet.
>>687864895
>you don't know what murica is like
Wrong. I live here.
>>687870621
Ye, I don't really feel comfortable about cops carrying weapons. Numbers from where I lived showed that cops more often fired their gun in error, than on purpose. Cops having guns does not make me feel safe.
>>687870160
No. They should not. We are all safer if people who feel a need to have and play with (or use) fully automatic weapons just couldn't.
Fun hobby pieces and intelligent self defence items.
Good for interpersonel conflict when necessary.
Any other opinion is bullshit.
>>687870880
>controlling your car is about walking
>gun control is about disarming people
>>687870281
I concur.
>>687871191
>gun control is about disarming people
It is
It's about banning guns, making them harder to obtain, and having draconian laws that turn ordinary people into criminals simply for having inanimate objects
>>687871079
The government should only be as powerful as the people who live there let it to be
>>687870160
Should they also be allowed tanks and nuclear weapons?
>>687871550
Tanks maybe under certain circumstances, but not nukes.
Nukes are too much
I support the idea that every bastard was a bazooka. Then democracy will prevail. But seriously the firearm must be only the army and the police and whites person.
>>687871719
Why the whole premise is that the civilians should be just as capable at fighting as the government as to oppose oppression.
>>687853301
>Common core
>>687871513
The government and the people should never be two separate entities.
We, the people, are the nation and we govern ourselves. A democratic society should see us, the people, as the ones in power.
Instead we have declared that the leading power in our nation is money, and that we want only a few people to control that money, and thus control us.
Also, the people with money should be in charge of deciding who we can vote for to have political "democratic" power.
We've also decided that criminals are monsters and not really people, that cops are heroes and can never do anything wrong despite them just being normal goons without training.
We've also decided that we're terrified of everything and that we're fine with spending much, much, MUCH more on training people to kill other people and equip them to do just that, than we want to spend on housing, social support, health care and education.
This system sucks.
>>687871827
thats what makes us privileged
>>687871931
Nukes shouldn't exist. I believe in complete disarmament
But since they do, with or without our opinion, I think that it should be very strickly controlled by the govt and nobody else
>>687872298
I can get behind complete disarmament but if they exist everyone should be able to have them.
>>687871827
But how will I protect senpai?
>>687872452
No. Are you nuts? Do you want nuclear winter?
Nukes should be completely gone from the earth, but guns and conventional weapons are okay
>>687872161
Democracy, blah, blah, blah. you have to drive about equality begin. In the world nothing can not be solved without wars. In order to have peace - war is necessary.
>>687872827
Earth could use a reset tbh.
>>687872973
might have a point there
>>687872462
If u nigger, datz ur problem.
>>687853433
Good luck with that. 100+ million armed citizens say molon labe.
>>687873666
Come and take it you bitch ass mother fuckers
>>687871480
If it helps you any, the gun debate has a lot more depth to it than people takin yer guns.
There's a reasonable line in the sand to draw.
Civilians shouldn't have nuclear weapons, right? (hell, we're pretty touchy about other nations having them).
Should a civilian be able to purchase anthrax, nerve toxins, or the plague?
Should a civilian be able to purchase a stinger missile?
These are things which are quire reasonably banned from civilian use.
Rifles though? That shit should stay legal.
Guns are amazing. They make me feel badass and compensate for my small penis... but that doesn't matter because when I show women my .44 they drop to their knees and beg to suck it.
I often converse with my friends, family, and co-workers on how I'd easily dispatch with any provokers or terrorists should I cross paths with any in my lifetime. I believe they are thoroughly impressed. I'm often on guard around Negroes and Hispanics you get to close to me. I sometime buck my chest and tighten my fists, while keeping my holster unbuttoned should a confrontation occur. All and all, I'd say it's the duty of every law abiding American citizen to own a firearm for their protection.
>>687874315
None of those are arms though, they're weapons of mass destruction, explosive devices, and biological agents that don't belong in the debate, and are pointless arguments
>>687874315
Nukes no
Anthrax, biological/chemical weapons no
Stinger missiles, yes.
The reason? Because stinger missiles don't flow a disease or a toxic chemical out everywhere for people and little kids to get sick and die off like flies.
Ordinary missiles are okay. Nukes and WMDs are not
>>687852382
Criminals don't have guns where I live. That's because they are controlled.
German here.
Guns, when handled by a trsworthy, reliable and concsious person, are no danger at all.
The thing, why America's gun law system is always so criticised, is because they are too easy to get.
They should make a law, where you need like 5-year no police-delict and then you can get one.
i believe anything a police officer can get his hands on so can a law abiding citizen
