why do they even make manuals any more after they invented automatic transmissions?
>>687364929
>ITT: OP can't drive standard
If you knew you would understand
>>687364929
so people can pretend to be a big shot race car driver when actually they're shitters
Better fuel consumption and maneuver.
>>687364929
I've heard excuse after excuse but in every case messing with a shifter takes your hands off the wheel doing so causes distractions and thus limiting possible driving.
Because Automatics are designed to numb the sensation of driving for soccer moms and old folk who see cars simply as a way of getting from A to B.
>>687365572
My automatic get better mileage then the Manuel version.
>>687365672
>shifter
Kek'd at your cluelessness
>>687365682
So... Because mania transmission is "manly" ? Is that what you're saying?
>>687364929
I get better mileage, better acceleration, better reliability, more control in the snow, it's even easier on the engine because I can control the rpms at all times for any given situation.
It's also second nature, to me it is how you drive a car, automatics feel like shit, feels like there is a nanny that doesn't know what she is doing between me and the car, because there is.
>>687365764
who the fuck is Manuel?
Get your illegals out of here
>>687365841
Never knew a bunch of moving metal could have a gender association.
>>687364929
Less brake wear because of better engine braking.
Better feel for speed because speed is always proportional to RPM (and engine tone).
Faster throttle response.
>>687365764
That's bullshit, I don't care what make and model.
ITT: Fags who can't drive manual, Fags that think manual is superior when they both do the job, nerds that don't understand that
> two wheels is better than 4
well until recently there were some substanial advantages, but now theres really none
>>687365682
thats the way most people look at it. driving is fucking boring unless you are racing or something. living in the bay area ive sat through enough traffic, if i could afford it i would pay someone to drive me so i can dick around on my phone or read a book. its a shame public transportation takes so long and is so limited
>>687365682
That's what they are you fucking faggot.
>MUH HORSEPOWER
Grease monkeys make me sick.
>>687365841
Manual transmitions are for people who enjoy the sensation of driving, plenty women enjoy driving too so nothing to do with being 'manly'.
Automatics are good cruisers for people who prefer a relaxing, less involved experience and are perhaps too clumsy to drive a normal car. Both have their merits.
>>687365672
Hahaha! You are seriously uniformed. Just leave
>>687365682
Try telling that to an f1 driver, those are shiftable autos fag.
>>687364929
Because they are cheaper to manufacture than automatics.
There was a time where automatic transmissions weren't advanced enough to outshift a driver that knew what they were doing; but at this point the tech has advanced to a level where computers can handle shifting as well as people can......although that being said those sort of automatic transmissions are going to be much more expensive than a good 6 speed manual.
Also a manual transmission can be fun, if you know how to use it.
>>687364929
Because some faggots like to drive manual so they can have delusions of superiority over their peers in a desperate attempt to feel good about themselves.
>>687365764
That just means you fucking fail at shifting correctly.
Standard masterrace
>more interesting to drive
>better functionality and cheaper to maintain when used properly
>cost significantly less than automatic in initial signing
>actually feeling and controlling shifts
>pulling a heel-toe for the first time
>>687365938
Kek
>>687365841
idiot, it says "who see cars simply as a way of getting from A to B"
That doesn't specify any gender.
>>687364929
to make you angry.
it's also great because only roughly 10% of people can drive it. I hate other faggots driving my car.
>>687366158
This is very true I'll give you that one.
>>687366098
I suppose it may also depend on the country. America is dull, straight lines, long roads and nothing interesting.
If you live in a country or area with nice, winding roads and interesting routes then you really have to own a manual unless you are completely without love for driving.
>>687366148
Not really the same as a regular actual automatic dude... Those are paddle sequential shifters, you still need to do the shifting, you are still in control.
>>687364929
Because a standard will last forever. The transmission is easy to work on, and the clutch is simple to replace
>>687365951
Triggered
>>687366189
And you're retarded.
Manuals use to be much more refined that automatic shifters. Manual shifting cars are beginning to die out since we have transmissions that shift much faster and are much more efficient than manual shifters. I like manual shifters but since we can buy dual clutch automatic transmission cars for relatively cheap it's becoming to be such an outdated piece of tech (i.e., manual shifters). However, manual shifters are more fun for some people, which I could agree with for certain cars. NIGGERS.
>>687366068
Until you get killed or go veggie mode ;)
>>687366354
>only 10% of people can drive a standard transmission
What backwards country do you live in?
>>687366456
They most certainly are and you can control your shifts in most new autos too.
>Tiptronic
>>687366666
>>687366148
Just give up and leave. . .
>>687366749
Most likely America, I'm American and that number sounds about right, probably only 5% who can drive a manual well though.
>>687366749
America probably.
>>687366549
>manual shifting cars are beginning to die out
[citation needed]
>>687364929
see
>>687366081
This, its all personal preference.
10% of the market still buys MT cars
automakers are just looking to get their share of the 10%, I bought my first manual car this year, and im already looking to buy something sportier than my 60 WHP honda civic. More engaging than an auto car IMO.
>>687366895
Jesus that's bad. I hope you're just b8ing.
>>687366137
A "normal" car is manual? How old are you?
>>687366782
Dude, I've played with those before, it's nothing like driving a real manual, it's closer but still nowhere near the same.
>>687364929
Because there are people that want them, that's how business works
>>687364929
What are you, fucking gay?
i feel like those in favor of manual are the ones who always get butthurt the most.
>stop driving the way I don't like
>>687365420
That's me, but the fantasy doesn't go very far with a 2001 Honda Civic. On the personal side, the manual transmissions in my life had caused few problems. Also, better mileage.
>>687364929
Some of us find the manual to be a more engaging and fun driving experience. It's more of a connection to the machine, and control
>>687365938
hefty lol
>>687367063
That's also true, no clutch. But still better then an uncontrollable mess that is a straight PRNDL
>>687367018
Over 18, I assume you live in the united states of shit drivers?
>>687367018
Heard of other places like Europe for example?
ITT : Americans
Lazy and fat, even at the wheel.
>>687366782
They're also fairly expensive, especially if you want one that doesn't feel sloppy
Do you have to drive? Buy an automatic.
Do you WANT to drive? Buy a manual.
Simple as that, no right or wrong.
Post this in the auto board faggot
>>687367132
Because we know the rest of you are doing it wrong, most of you won't even try it out. Imagine if you knew someone that refused to try chocolate, pretty sure that would drive you crazy no?
>>687367501
like it.
>>687364929
Because men still exist
>>687367379
American checking in
In the 19 years I have been driving, I have never owned a car with an automatic transmission
There are a variety of reasons to prefer a manual transmission to an automatic transmission.
There is better fuel efficiency from a manual transmission. In a manual transmission when the clutch is engaged the entire drivetrain is linked together. An automatic transmission uses a torque converter which is a fluid coupling which tends to have between 5-10% slippage. There are locking torque converters but they do not always locked, particularly during stop and go city driving.
Manual transmissions are lighter, cheaper, and less expensive to repair. If the clutch goes on a manual transmission you're only going to spend a few hundred replacing it. If the clutch packs go on an automatic transmission you could be spending thousands.
That all being said automatics can still be capable for performance driving. Automatics have torque multiplication with torque converters which means more power at launch. Automatics are consistent which is good for bracket racing. Automatics have faster shift speeds which is important because in a manual when you're shifting the clutch is disengaged and you're putting zero power down. A misshift can also cost you valuable seconds, in a technical course with a lot of downshifting and upshifting those can add up.
>>687367480
>If you want one that doesn't feel sloppy
Holy fucking shit Chevy Chevy Chevy sloppiest garbage to ever disgrace the roads I'd rather drive a CVT. (Okay maybe a lie there)
driving would just be a completely dull task if there wasn't gear shifting.
I live in the UK, 21, driving for 4 years on an old car with no power steering, drum brakes etc
Driving even a modern Manual seems to require next to no effort as oppose to that. If there wasn't even gear shifting you would literally just sit there and switch off, automatics literally take all of the fun out of driving
Speaking for western europe: Until a few years ago automatics where mainly used by people that are partly handicapped to still be able to drive, but recently i've seen em popping up in adds a lot more frequently so I assume it's slowly coming here as well.
Personally I love driving and couldn't imagine driving an automatic every day, but I understand that most people see driving as a way to get from A to B and prefer doing their make up and driving up a tree than having control over their driving
>>687366749
America.
Older folks (60+) can all do it, but younger than that, it's probably like 5% that have the skill.
Only 6% of new cars sold have manual gearboxes.
I prefer a manual when driving a car, but for trucks I choose auto.
pic related: my fuck-around car
>>687366143
>seriously uniformed.
now I'm wondering what 'seriously uniformed' looks like.
>>687367760
I know what you mean. No hydraulic clutch and no power steering is a workout, but it gives you something to do rather than sit there with your thumb up your ass as you drive to the store.
>>687367722
I drive a Chevy Cruze auto yes it's fucking sloppy, but it can be fun.
>>687367946
trucks and heavy SUVs do kind of suck with autos, with the exception of dedicated off roaders
>>687367501
If you REALLY want to 'drive" for the kinesthetic experience, you ride a motorcycle.
Compared to motorcycles at the same price point, cars are boring as a box van.
>>687368061
WITHOUT autos. typo.
>>687367866
That's just plain weird. I would never willingly choose to drive an auto over a manual but then again, in the UK those percentages are pretty much reversed. Autos are driven by long distance businessmen who wish they had a chauffer.
>>687367950
I got you fam
>>687364929
because manual is better
Automatic transmissions have improved to the point that they get the same fuel economy, and shift just as good as manual. Manual is more for people who enjoy it or want to feel cool. What used to be advantages are now negligible differences.
>>687367982
My last car I had for five years was like that, it was good fun. My current car (98 civic) has the hydraulic clutch and power steering, I don't mind a hydraulic clutch, still not use to power steering though.
i just realized something.
you're all full of shit.
my opinion is right, so fuck you all.
>>687365764
Yes letting some wetback named Manuel drive your car would definitely reduce gas mileage
>>687368103
Not an option where there's a lot of rain/snow
It's cheaper.
More economical.
Better control on the snow (easier to get out if you're stuck.)
Increase awareness of the road (proven that you are more alert when you know what the fuck is going on with your car).
More fun.
Americans like automatics so they can eat and drive.
>>687368244
this guy gets it.
I agree I could use an easier clutch but power steering is God-awful
>>687368103
Agreed there but try fitting three friends and luggage on the back of a bike, life is all about compromise. Bikes are pure fun, sporty cars are the sensible compromise and automatics are for boring people who wish they could teleport where they needed to be.
>>687367118
/thread
>>687368391
This pretty much.
>>687368395
Electric steering is far superior to power. I've never driven Armstrong so I can't comment.
>>687365764
>>687364929
To make Europeans feel useful, since Americans fuck them up in every other way.
>>687366158
This is bang on. I recondition autoboxes for a living and our average bill is £3k. Manuals are around <£1k.
>>687368061
>trucks and heavy SUVs do kind of suck with autos, with the exception of dedicated off roaders
Modify the auto if no likee.
Trucks with autos properly set up have extremely low crawl ratios if you want that, are outstanding for towing (and if you bought adequate brakes you don't need compression braking), and you don't risk frying a clutch if you are abusing the truck in wrecker duty or similar. Even big rigs are gradually going to modern automatic tranmissions.
You can make an auto do anything.
I've had 3 cars in my life.
2 automatics i had from ages 16-22
1 manual from 22-now
am 23 now, and I honestly like the manual better
I live in LA, but only commute about 20 miles roundtrip a day to get to work, so I dont deal with traffic. tl;dr manual is for those that enjoy taming the beast of a machine, and doing it well.
My current bitch is a:
Mazdaspeed3 263 HP while stock but mine has
-stage 2 clutch
-1400 cc injectors
-headers
-fuel pump
-catless downpipe
-not too crazy exhaust
-niggatuned
making about 320 to the wheels
which is very, very fun
>>687367501
THIS
No need to bicker over which is better, it's enjoyability v cruising, two different things.
>>687368152
It was marketed as a luxury item in the 60s when they first started to become prevalent. Basically every American built car was sold with an auto gearbox from that point on, except for stripper models, some sports cars, and stripper model pickups. Even in muscle cars,motorsports, and drag racing, everyone is all about Turbo 400s and their derivatives.
It was also heavily marketed towards women. I'd say that probably 0.1% of women under the age of 50 can drive a stickshift in the US. My mom and my grandmother can both drive stick like a boss.
It seems to be turning around a bit though, mostly with muscle cars and sports cars. If you buy a sports car with an auto gearbox you will never hear the end of it. Most muscle cars sold in the 70s and 80s were autos.
>>687368395
I would take the belt off to bypass it, but I am sharing my car with my fiancee, she got early onset arthritis in her thumbs so it has to stay.
>>687364929
because poorfags and enthusiastfags exist.
>>687368391
Speak
>>687368731
it was a typo, I am agreeing with you
>>687367015
Not the same guy, but the number seems accurate. However, the number of people who own a manual shifting car is even lower, I'd guess. I've worked at a few car dealerships over the years and we generally sell 1 manual shifting car for every 25 automatics at my current dealership.
>>687368391
Haha as an American I can agree with this. Right out of the burger king drive thru. Not only does automatics help us eat, we can text.
>>687368211
I've also seen that the prices for manual are about 1000$ USD cheaper ( depending on the vehicle )
>>687368781
Pretty sure that would fuck up everything like cams and valves.
>>687364929
Nice bate
>>687366064
>>687366189
>>687368627
Holy shit. Didn't think there were still retards who believe auto isn't the more fuel efficient option.
>>687368773
Automatics are much easier, ideal for female drivers. Since 90% of American men are absolutely girls underneath to chest-beating bravado it doesn't surprise me how they were so easily tempted to drive cars designed for the feeble.
>>687364929
I can drive manual, which means I can easily drive automatic.
You can drive automatic, but can't drive manual. Any sort of advantage is good. Don't be salty that you never learned how to drive stick.
>>687366064
Not the guy you replied to, but are you a moron? I guess you don't read EPA findings on new cars with 8 speed transmissions or anything right? Or the automatic Honda's that get better than the manual. I have an 8speed bmw that gets better gas, and 0-60 than a standard.
>>687369106
That's on the timing belt, power steering runs on a serpentine.
>>687369122
You can stop, no one is falling for your pretend retardation.
>>687366749
USA. We make more money and can afford luxury.
>>687369133
Women make something like 90% of major purchase decisions within the household.
>>687369286
On my car it's one and the same.
>>687369479
So how does that make his point of American men being pussyfied bitches any less redundant?
>>687369390
Except if you were actually able to afford an expensive car, none of the good ones have automatic transmissions.
>>687367379
ITT: Europeans with GDP and consumer market too shitty to afford automatics.
>>687365272
>standard
confirmed for 4th world
>>687369264
Every car I have ever owned I have been able to get significantly better mileage than advertised. Just my last car, it was rated max 38 mpg on the highway, I could get 42. No way an automatic is going to beat me at that game... I take that back, maybe if it had some sort of program specifically for saving gas but that's it.
>>687369390
>luxury
Bless, next you'll want the luxury of someone chewing your food for you and spitting it down your throat, just to avoid the terrible chore of chewing.
>>687369742
Prius bae
>>687365572
newer automatics get better mileage than manuals. this is a fact everyone in the industry has accepted. most of us here cant afford new cars so its not relevant to us but once they trickle down to us it will be.
>>687369592
Your timing belt is on your power steering pump? Are you sure? Man I already thought it was awful my timing belt was running my water pump, but power steering? That's just bad design.
>>687369299
I'm not kidding. Read up on it. Modern autos are always 1 or 2 MPG better than the manual version. Has been for some time.
>>687369479
Hopefully not for cars. My girlfriend has been looking for a new car and wanted a Dodge Dart because it's "cute." I told her she better be fine with taking the bus in 3 months when it shits the bed, cause I won't be driving her around. I got her an Acura ILX instead. Crisis averted.
>>687366058
>>>687364929 (OP)
>Less brake wear because of better engine braking.
Brake pads are a lot cheaper than clutches and gearboxes dude
>>687368477
Bikes can serve as primary transport in many areas. Wife and self rode our Harleys for several years in all weathers in SC without owning a car or truck. (Dress properly and rain or even light snow now and then is no big deal.) We did the shopping on my BMW R60 bitsa with a 900 engine since it had a large luggage rack and bags.
Cycles were often primary vehicles in Europe after WWII. Sidecars were common and those work fine too though an outfit doesn't handle like a motorcycle.
The king of versatile (not fast, but versatile) motorcycles today is probably the Ural with the driven rear axle. Ural owners take those fuckers everywhere including many places 4x4s avoid.
>>687369742
sorry jack. newer cars do beat this. every time. odds are you arent buying new cars though, only used. in a few years this will catch up with you but for now in the used market makes more sense to go manual if youre looking for mileage.
>>687369897
Yeah my car has one belt running on all the pullies
>>687369757
and I'll use some of your salt as seasoning
>>687369903
Post links to research and stop pretending you read it some where
>>687369617
But we are talking relatively. Poor Europeans are literally eating shit, while poor Americans are middle class Europeans.
>>687369757
Yeah, that's comparable. Pic related.
>>687370065
And it's an interference engine? lol
That's a disaster waiting to happen, any one of those things goes wrong and your engine is totaled. What is it?
>>687364929
is cheaper
>>687370188
Why don't you do the same since you keep claiming. I'm interested on the facts not anecdotes.
>>687368781
Power steering racks or boxes often have ratios which make for very high effort steering without a pump. If you convert it's preferable to find a manual rack/steering box. You may need other parts to complete the install.
>>687370037
I drive a lot of rental cars, those darts are garbage.
If she wants a shitty eco box get a ford focus, the new ones aren't half bad.
>>687370226
You've never travelled outside of your American bubble, have you?
>>687370231
Is Chevy Cruze I probably should have mentioned that earlier.
>>687364929
Because men drive cars too.
>>687370331
doesn't post facts, expects someone else to do all the work for them... Typical faggot
How are you expected to eat/text/shave effectively when you have to worry about shifting?
Learned to drive on a manual Porsche here overa decade ago, have since grown up and drive an automatic, like any normal human
>>687370396
My crank pulley fell off, I drove a distance without the power steering, didn't feel that different from my last rack and pinion car. Thankfully my timing gear stayed put...
>>687370045
Engine braking doesn't mean hes riding the clutch.
The clutch holds as well decelerating as accelerating
>>687364929
My car doesn't come in an autotragic :^)
>>687370065
Timing belts run under shrouds and are toothed. Serpentine belts are ribbed and drive accessories. The serpentine belts are not timed and cannot be because they are not toothed.
>>687370573
Not the guy you challenged to post facts ;) but her since you haven't either I can dismiss your claim.
>>687370624
Engine braking puts more wear on your engine than braking braking.
>>687368321
Nah hejust syphoned the gas when you weren't looking
>>687370188
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/25/2016-mazda-mx5-miata-fuel-mileage/
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html
>>687370825
Wait which side are you arguing ? Gas mileage as a reason to buy a manual vehicle?
Americans have been brought up to be lazy and buy automatics, the rest of the civilised world drives manuals and enjoy a pure driving experience.
Comparing America with first world countries doesn't make sense.
>>687369390
>Automatic transmission
>Luxury
Yeah, no.
Also good job on letting the electronic jew into every single control linkage in your car.
All of you driving a new automatic car, with the correct backdoor I could kill any one of you without even breaking a sweat.
>driving
>car starts accelerating by itself
>ease throttle
>nothing happens as throttle is electronic
>apply brakes
>ABS cuts them off
>pull parking brake
>parking brake is electronic and won't engage
>turn off ignition
>nothing happens as ignition is also electronic
>press clutch
>oh right, you don't have one 'cause you're a fucking idiot
>attempt to at least steer around corners
>steering is electronic and doesn't respond at all
"Man killed in misterious accident on local highway, evidence suggests driver lost control due to speeding"
2013
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html
depends on the vehicle, depends on the engine, depends on the manufacturer...
Find some newer stuff
>>687371009
Does it matter neiether of them have posted gas mileage facts and I'm enjoying all of this carnage from both sides ;)
>>687370908
Bb....but I get better mileage in my manual, I've researched it extensively by buying the same exact model in automatic and driving it half the days. You're wrong, sorry
>>687370908
Did you read the stories you posted?
"in some cases", "not always"
Where in your brain did that translate to "all"?
It's cheaper to fix a clutch than a transmition, WAY more fun to drive, and usually (but not always) get better mileage.
>stick shift
If you stopped giving it this gay title, more Americans wouldn't be shamed out of driving real cars.
>>687371217
Well clearly the fuckhead lugging his engine by keeping it in too high a gear is gonna save some gas. On the other hand who in America gives a shit about the miniscule savings? Big fucking deal, if I wanted to save gas I'd ride a bicycle like a faggot or drive a 4 cylinder
Fuck all you guyz, I like driving manual
>>687371025
>All of you driving a new automatic car, with the correct backdoor I could kill any one of you without even breaking a sweat.
Citation needed. How is drivetrain ECU accessible to outsiders while vehicle is in operation?
With a rifle I could kill anyone without breaking a sweat, and with a suppressor without making much noise.
>>687365420
/thread
I love how eurofags don't understand, manual transmission is for poorfags here.
>>687371329
>Fix a clutch
Never had to do this,i get a new car every 3-4 years
>More fun
Yeah, because commuting to work is meant to be fun
>Mileage
A) who fucking cares B) factually incorrect
>>687371698
Also in Asia. Driving a manual pretty much means you've brought shame on your entire family
>>687371278
As long as you're not driving a shit tier 4 speed slush box the auto will get better MPG. Why is it so hard to fathom a computer has far better knowledge and execution of economical shift times?
>>687371940
You're arguing with people who literally get pleasure out of grabbing at a vibrating stick
>>687364929
Enthusiasts, people who want to get more power out of the car, people who like to hoon, and it's simple and reliable.
>>687371892
Ha!
>>687368677
What the fuck is a bloody autobox ye limey bahsted
>>687368152
>reversed
Italian here, and I can confirm everyone drives manuals.
I've never actually been in an automatic car in my entire life, and I don't know anyone who has one.
Why would they? Manual transmissions are cheaper, easy to fix if they break (and they only ever really break if you treat them VERY badly) and more fun to drive..
Nothing like stringing together a series of corners on a wavy mountain road, shifting gears before and after the more challenging ones, and then shifting down two gears to overtake some dirty peasants to go on doing twice the speed limit.
Simple mechanics beats complicated electronics every single time.
>>687372117
I drive a stick too. Fortunately my fiesta st didn't come with delusions and a superiority complex.
>>687371704
>Yeah, because commuting to work is meant to be fun
So if Option A is sitting in a dreadful box and be depressed all the way to your workplace and Option B is sitting in a mid engined sports car and enjoying the trip there, you'll choose option A because "commuting isn't supposed to be fun"?
Are you retarded?
By that logic you should only have fun in a designated fun area or something.
What about CVT?
>>687365672 <---likes to pretend he's never masturbated while driving
ok
Niggers cant steal it
>>687370413
>ford
The ford ST are their entry level sports models, they are only available in manual transmission. Autotragics need not apply.
>>687369264
>>687372809
Well besides the fact im late to the drivers licence party I'm 22 never driven a car before last year currently on my learners probation so i require a qualified supervisor if I'm going to drive, so no I have never masturbated in my car while driving.
>>687371025
Fantasy world you live in.
Name one car with an electronic e-brake.
>>687369618
Really? A manual is more fun to drive, more responsive and gives you more control. Beyond that, you save $1k on the sticker and in UK where gas (petrol) is $10/gallon, the 5 MPG or so savings is worth a lot. That's an awful lot of money and loss of fun for being lazy.
That being said, CVTs are rivalling manuals in fuel economy so you're seeing more and more autos in Europe now because of it.
>>687373051
I actually know a nigger who can drive stick.
>>687373303
2016 camaro.
>>687369479
>>687371940
Except everyone who isn't a retard knows where the most economical engine speed for their car is. Usually it's somewhere around maximum torque.
Also, a human can SEE the road ahead and plan accordingly.
If I'm in second gear at 30km/h in some packed traffic and I see that 3 rows ahead people are braking, I _know_ there's no fucking point shifting into third gear only to apply the brakes 5 seconds later and then shift back into second once they've accelerated back up to speed.
I'll just leave it in second and cut the throttle, using engine braking and thus saving fuel and brake pads compared to the automatic.
I can guarantee you that if I drove with the intent of getting the highest mileage possible, I could definitely beat an automatic.
>>687369618
>>687364929
I feel like driving is an experience. Some people get it, some don't.
Europen, and the only two people I know who drive automatics are both disabled - one missing an arm, the other having short limbs like a thalidomide victim.
and I think the one missing the arm now uses a semiauto flappy-paddle, rather than a shitbox auto.
>>687373521
Good for you.
Manual transmission offers far more control over the vehicle than an automatic. It is also far more energy efficient and easier to fix than automatic transmission.
>>687371551
>How is drivetrain ECU accessible to outsiders while vehicle is in operation?
Install a wireless receiver somewhere.
>With a rifle I could kill anyone without breaking a sweat, and with a suppressor without making much noise.
A rifle leaves some pretty fucking obvious evidence for everyone to see, as opposed to an "accident".
>>687373303
Do you know what ABS is?
Basically every car sold since 1995 has it.
It works by releasing the brakes for a split second when the wheels lock up, even if you're pressing the pedal with all your might.
There's no reason why it couldn't jam the brakes open and just leave them there, if it was programmed to do so.
>>687372299
Gratzé. This Euro trash faggot gets it.
>checked
Used to drive manuals, after having driven an automatic I will always prefer them. Flappy paddles >
I'm an American and I drove a Manuel transmission 80 miles a day for 8 years. There is no benefit and you want to kill yourself when you are in traffic. Only delusional poor Europeans and racing enthusiasts would want to drive them. Automatic cars are for adults. Manuel is for children.
>>687372672
I work at a car dealership, driving is an activity to be enjoyed. Stupid fucking nigger.
>>687373521
I fully understand this feeling. I drive a man train sports car, one of my coworkers asked me in a group what mileage I would get.
Even with a mid sized turbo I could honestly tell everyone that if I was not trying high 30s and if trying low 40s.
>>687367544
A better example is baking bread.
You can bake your own bread every few days, and have a better tactile sensation, better control over flavor, more involvement and greater feeling of satisfaction.
Or you can go to the store and buy bread when you want it.
It really is just a matter of convenience.
>>687370331
Something about this bitch is stupid.
>>687370624
I'm always worried about riding the transmission/engine when decelerating. Feel like I'm doing huge damage. Should I downshift? Honest question because my foot is drawn to the clutch as soon as the brake
>>687366449
Have you been to northern new jersey? Its pretty twisty there, especially some parts of sussex county.
>>687374714
If you are in high enough gear and high enough revs, you can tap the brake without clutching and not damage anything mechanical. I do it all the time when I'm at highways speeds in 6th gear.
>>687365951
idiot. take into account that a car ("bunch of moving metal") has inherent cultural associations. Are you triggered by the idea of a soccer mom in a minivan as well? Surprised when you see a medical doctor step out of a european sports car? Stop being reductive and contribute to the conversation.
>5 speed allows me, like others have stated, to exercise control over the degree to which I exert my engine. Also, sideways.
>>687371417
The way it's going they'll prob like it more. Fuckin queers are ruining this country.
>>687374685
Well not really though.
Baking your own bread requires considerable effort, especially from a time perspective.
Driving a manual car isn't hard at all.
>>687368185
Lolololol
>>687364929
It used to be that you lost a lot of power with automatic transmissions do to friction loss, but I don't know if that is still the case with some modern automatics. Manuals do give you a more usable mechanical advantage.
>>687371892
I have a Japanese truck it's 5 speed nissan xe 4 cylinder.
>>687372672
>Option B is sitting in a mid engined sports car and enjoying the trip there
Maybe if you enjoy wasted potential.
Gonna have so much more fun cycling between 5 and 25 MPH on manual than auto...
>>687375332
I'm usually in 6th as well, but I feel like it's gonna cost less to replace the brakes than to replace the clutch. It also feels lazy to use the engine to slow the car. Maybe just autism on my part
>>687374191
>There's no reason why it couldn't jam the brakes open and just leave them there, if it was programmed to do so.
Here's a reason. You're a 13 year old tryhard l337 h4x3r.
Fuck off faggot.
>>687365672
Actually, I've experienced that people who drive stick are largely encouraged to pay more attention to the road. The hand that would normally be free while driving an automatic is now occupied by the stick. Also having to pay attention to clutch control means that any other nagging thoughts that would distract you are now taken up with the action of the clutch. From experience I tend to stall my car if I'm too deep in thought and distracted because of it.
>>687372299
I'm so good I don't have to clutch.
>>687364929
Automatics are garbage. They waste fuel, and eat horsepower. Also they are never in the right gear.
>>687372809
I can shift on both sticks and never miss a lick.
>>687364929
bc racecar
>>687364929
I have that car, the shifter sucks. SI drive, Brembo brakes and 305HP help make up for it, though.
>>687376489
Stalled many times as well when distracted. Then think to myself the accident it could have caused if I was enabled to be distracted further by an automatic
>>687374191
>Basically every car sold since 1995 has it.
Actually, only since 2011 in the US.
>>687376219
>everyone lives in New York City and spends their day in a traffic jam
I do agree that when stuck in a traffic jam, shifting in and out of neutral all the time is a bit of a pain in the ass.
However, being stuck in a traffic jam is something I avoid and definitely not my idea of driving.
Even though I live in a big city, I never get in traffic jams.
Just gotta know your roads.
>>687376702
I am gonna make the prediction that people who prefer autos are gonna be accepting of the self driving cars, and those of us who prefer manuals are gonna hate self driving cars.
How far off am I?
>>687370045
X2. Much easier to replace, too.
>>687368746
There is no way you're making 320 to the wheels unless you also upgraded your turbo and your fuel pump.
>>687377258
>>687376364
I had the same thoughts really early one as well, after doing more research online (not 4chan) and actually speaking to an auto engineer at an engineering conference (I'm a mech engineer) I abandoned that thinking and starting braking without the clutch and using engine braking.
>>687376702
If you're serious, it's called floating. If you are a trucker, they say you shouldn't do it, but don't listen to those faggots. If you are talking about doing it in an everyday road car, you really shouldn't, and if it's easy to do in your road car, then there might be something wrong with your transmission.
>>687376702
I don't care how good you are you have to use your clutch to get going. Otherwise you're going to fucking destroy your synchros
>>687377354
nigga wat
>>687377159
Well I'm not sure when it became mandatory here, around 2000 I believe.
>>687370045
Downshifting might wear the clutch ever so slightly that might be measurable over the course of years, and the effect of the transmission is even more negligible.
>>687376489
You sound like a woman whaaa I can't control my thoutghs.
>>687377354
A 60hp improvement from the modifications he mentioned isn't far fetched.
>>687365764
thats bullshit considering the engine has to transfer the power from the flywheel to an auto shifter, resulting in more gas burned..
>>687364929
>autos
0 power
shit gear ratios
low reliability
>manual
power range determined by driver
stronger
choice of shift time
>Dsg
ultimate
>>687369618
>ITT: Europeans with GDP and consumer market too shitty to afford automatics.
This.
>>687373332
>Really? A manual is more fun to drive, more responsive and gives you more control
Absolutely. That's why America offers more performance cars in manual than any other country.
>2016 Corvette - 7 speed manual
>2016 Corvette z06 - 7 speed manual
>2015 Camaro Z28 - 6 speed manual only
>2016 Camaro ZL1 - 6 speed manual available
>2016 Camaro SS 1/2 - 6 speed manual available
>2016 SS/Commodore - 6 speed manual available
>2016 Mustang GT500 - 6 speed manual only
>2016 Challenger SRT - 6 speed manual
>2016 Challenger Scat - 6 speed manual
>2016 Challenger Hellcat - 6 speed manual available
>2016 GT350 - 6 speed manual only
>2012 Boss 302 - 6 speed manual only
>2016 Dodge Viper - manual only
>2015 Cadillac CTS-V - manual available
>2016 Cadillac ATS-V - manual available
>2016 SSC Tuatara - manual available
>2016 Hennessey Venom GT - 6 speed manual only
>2016 Ferrari California T - no manual
>2016 Ferrari F12berlinetta - no manual
>2016 Ferrari FF - no manual
>2016 LaFerrari - no manual
>2016 Lamborghini Aventador - no manual
>2016 Lamborghini Huracan - no manual
>2016 Aston Martin Rapide - no manual
>2016 Aston Martin Vanquish - no manual
>2016 BMW i8 - no manual
>2016 BMW 7-series - no manual
>2016 Porsche 918 - no manual
>2016 Aston Martin DB9 - no manual
>2016 BMW M5 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>2016 BMW M6 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>2016 Audi S4 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>2016 Audi S5 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>2016 Nissan GT-R - no manual
>2016 Ferrari 458 - no manual
Europeans drive manuals because they're poor. Americans drive manuals when they buy a fun car.
You fags drive Manual Shitboxes because theyre cheaper than Autos and its all you poorfags can afford.
Stop being so jelly of our cheap petrol, insurance, and auto taxes. Even poor Americans can afford to own multiple cars.
>>687377721
Well, if you tried to put it in ANY gear while stationary without clutching I think you'd burn out the synchro in about tree fiddy.
Once moving they're all doable though.
>>687377565
k. whatever u say bro.
>>687378035
EUROPEEONS BTFO!!!
>>687377917
So you're telling me that you've never once thought about anything else other than driving while you're driving? Yes, remembering that you left your stove on counts.
Because some people fucking like it, Op.
Pic related, my '15 Renegade, 1.4T/6spd AWD.
>>687377159
Wow, confirmed. I thought it was much sooner than that. But they also mandated traction control too, and that shit can go fuck itself.
>>687378035
europe on suicide watch
>>687377929
I take it back, I missed the fuel pump upgrade.
to >>687368746
now upgrade that baby turbo! I'm a MPS3 owner myself :)
>>687378035
rekt
>>687377577
I'm not racing the motherfucker tho.
>>687378307
>>687378130
Indeed, I know from experience because my friend was wondering if I could put it in gear at all while stationary and without the clutch. Couldn't put it in first but I noticed that trying to put it in second caused me to move slightly. Later I learned that's because of the synchro and naturally my 2nd gear synchro is completely fucked.
>>687377801
I agree.
If I don't engine brake my clutch will last for 200,000 miles, but if I do engine brake it will last for 195,000 miles.
Either way I'm going to replace it at 180,000 miles because of reasons. Jesus Christ people just live your life and not argue about which option may save you $50 dollars when you need to replace both your clutch and brakes anyways
every car in america is automatic first, that's the cheaper option I think. I prefer manual tho and always go for that first when I buy a vehicle.
>>687378035
>>2016 BMW M5 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>>2016 BMW M6 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>>2016 Audi S4 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
>>2016 Audi S5 - 6 speed manual (Available in US only)
top kek
eurocucks really do buy manuals because they're poor.
That is an inexcusable amount of ignorance.
>>687377721
Yeah you can't turn the key but the only time I use my clutch is when I'm about to brake for a turn and I want to idle to use less gas but I know my trucks rooms.
>>687378318
I bet you chose that because the knob fills up your ass like nothing else
>>687366068
Get on my level you two timing whore.
Im a one wheel man.
>>687377941
He might actually be right. But we may never know if he doesn't tell what what kind of driving he normally does. Stop and go in town shit, then he's a liar no doubt, but if he has a commute that involves a lot of highway cruising, and he uses the cruise control often, he might be right. Maybe.
>>687364929
Because if I stall a manual I know I am too drunk to drive
>>687378035
Europeans drive manuals because they're not stupid.
Amerifags buy an 8 MPG Hummer, never leave the city streets with it.
kek
Does that make Europeans poor? No, just smarter with money. Need all that extra money for the extra month of vacation they get annually versus the average amerifag
>>687378035
/thread
>>687367135
Automatic transmissions are good enough these days that a manual won't get you better mileage.
I think manuals are done because its cheaper and less maintenance.
>>687378520
Thanks anon that's the answer I was looking for
>>687378466
I'm not either, these are just photos from Ford's racing museum in SLC
>>687378327
Just pull the fuse :)
I think the Nissan Versa had no ABS right up until 2011 model year iirc
>>687378018
>power range determined by driver
Yes jenkins, I would like max HP to be at 4500 rpms today, dial that in for me.
>>687378634
I bet you wrote that because you're 12.
>>687378634
>>687378634>>687378634
>>687378634>>687378634>>687378634
>>687378744
>Does that make Europeans poor?
Yes, yes it does.
>>687378307
There you go again sounding like a woman talking about her stove.
>>687364929
>why do they even make manuals any more after they invented automatic transmissions?
Yup, this is a toyota shill, mad that toyotas are numb piece of appliance garbage
>>687378982
You go on thinking that if it makes you feel better about not being coordinated enough to drive a real car
>>687378744
Yes, the majority of Americans drive Hummers daily, but the majority of Europeans ride fucking bicycles.
Hummer > bicycle
If I'm ever in a sports car and it's not a manual, I can't help but look at the owner with one raised eyebrow
>>687378664
>>687364929
Automatic transmissions are more expensive to manufacture, manuals offer a cheaper alternative. Some people prefer manuals for the feeling of synergy with their vehicle.
>>687378035
It didn't used to be that way. In the muscle car heydays, everything was auto, just because. Having 4 on the floor was a gear head status symbol, but boring people thought manual were only for poor people.
Oh god, I just remembered they used to make "3 on the trees." Steering column shifters for manual transmissions. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>687379139
The majority of Americans are too fat to even get on a bicycle
Fit > Fat
>>687379163
That explains why poor Americans drive them then
You know one good reason to drive a manual?
BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST FUCKING ANTI-THEFT DEVICE YOU CAN HAVE FOR A CAR
>NIGGERS CAN'T DRIVE STICK
>>687378520
When your clutch costs $1500 and replacing it means dropping the transmission and two CV shafts, you tend to want to simply replace the $100 brake pads.
>>687378930
sorry that im not a mechanic i mean to say, where an auto will always shift at 5k revs you can red line if you want in a manual
>>687379392
it also makes a nice dildo if you cant wait to get home.
>>687379392
Niggers can't drive period.
>>687368391
Guilty
I usually have my meal in my left hand and my phone in the right texting or dling porn on 4chan on the sly. Been knee driving pretty much forever
>>687379233
My mother owned a 3 on the tree pinto back in her teen days and early 20s. She told me of her "encounters" on the road with that shitty trans when I bought my first sports car as a way to warn me to not make the same potential mistakes.
Luckily I bought a capable sports car and not some shitty death trap.
>>687378915
With a lot of cars I've owned (never new) the abs is usually on the same circuit as the ecu. I bet traction control might be the same way.
>>687378807
>>687379163
Manuals are technically cheaper to make, but autos are cheaper in the US mostly because the market is flooded with them. Manuals have become a specialty item unfortunately.
>>687379597
brake pads last from 30,000 - 70,000 miles. Taking 5k off the clutch to extend the life of the brake pads is the way to go. You fucking FWD pleb.
>>687378634
Like nothing else.
>>687380211
>Use clutch to accelerate
>Use clutch to brake
You just cut your clutch life from 100,000 miles to 50,000 miles. Way to go, dork.
>>687380172
Wanna hear a story featuring my stupidity?
I was driving my buick century back in the day (garbage, but for me it was free garbage) and yes it was auto, but the muffler had fallen off and a cop was coming the other way, so I tried to throw it in neutral (on the tree) to shut it up and avoid a ticket, but accidently put it in reverse for a second.
To this day I wonder why the cop didn't see the nose of the car dive for the ground, and if he did, why he didn't pull me over.
Just say no to tree shifters of any kind.
>>687378941
>wrote
>>687379597
Holy shit, you need to find another mechanic. To replace my man trans in my last car cost me a grand total of $750 and my brake pads were $475.
Your getting screwed.
Muh big dick YJ
>>687380562
264k miles, original clutch
plus taught my gf how to drive stick on it
Honda forever!
>>687380562
You're retarded. You didn't see my post and the other anon say that clutch life is BARELY affected by engine braking. We aren't making it up shit ass.
Bye bye, back to drivers ed you go.
>>687380634
He knew from a friend what an autist you were. Some cops are like that bon
>>687365894
This
>>687380740
Post shit like that on /b/ and you are damn right faggots come out of the woodwork to tell you that you have a small penis, and you are only compensating.
STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE
>>687380750
Hondas are for spics and niggers.
>>687380967
>>687365894
poorfags who can't afford nice automatic transmissions
>>687381210
Mustangs are for fags and spics (and blonde bimbos)
I like this game, let's keep it going.
>>687381273
Yet you can't afford decent bait.
