those pesky stats. gun control fags BTFO.
Isn't that a total of like 30.000 in the US and just around 2500 in Norway since it has only 5mio. people?
>>687283667
that doesnt matter you mong
>>687283337
Statistics ruined by breivik.
You should use charts for before 2011.
Guns are really hard to get in Norway.
For anyone wondering, it's 80 people and 5 mill population
>>687283337
can you stop posting this thread every 4 hours, no one cares.
Ayy macedonia (my country) second KEK
those completely false stats, you mean?
Firearm-related homicide rate per 100,000 population per year
Norway: Total: 1.75 per 100,000. (Homicides: 0.10 per 100,000, Suicides: 1.63 per 100,000 Unintentional: 0.02 per 100,000)
United States: 10.54 per 100,000. (Homicides: 3.43 per 100,000, Suicides: 6.69 Per 100,000, Unintentional, 0.18 per 100,000)
So, you are more than 5x as likely to die from a firearm in the US. you are 34 times as likely to be murdered. you are 5 times as likely to use a gun to kill yourself. and you are 9 times as likely to be accidentally shot and killed.
>>687284204
Yeah! And our stats are ruined by Adam Lanza and Jared Loughner so should we remove them as well?
Fucking idiot.
>>687285341
Adam Lanza, master hunter and supreme commando.
>>687284845
we like to live dangerously and your vagina is showing
>>687284845
you mean cherry pick my statistics? sorry I'm not a liberal.
>>687284409
sorry. take up stamp collecting.
>>687286636
>you mean cherry pick my statistics?
Cherry pick, like specifically chose the one year there was a mass shooting in Norway in the last 20 years, and use that as your statistic?
So OP's picture must be by those "liberals", then...?
>>687284845
Did you just count suicide as a portion of gun deaths. Yes this is good. Then suicide should also count in building safety statistics
>>687283667
>hurr I don't understand math
>>687287323
>Did you just count suicide as a portion of gun deaths. Yes this is good.
Well, it makes the US look better., after all, your death rate goes from about 5.5x that of Norway when including suicides to 34 times them, if you exclude suicides.
Excluding them from the per capita numbers makes the US sit in the same sort of area of the ratings as 3rd world nations like nicaragua and peru, rather than being a first-world nation.
But if that's what you really want to portray the US as... well, that's the truth.
>>687283337
>But if that's what you really want to portray the US as... well, that's the truth.
Yes. That is fine.
>>687287647
To make the ratio decrease that means more people in Norway commit suicide by gun percent wise than in the US.
>tfw It's less depressing to live in the first world and less people kill themselves.
The real issue with gun fags is the same issue with feminists and their stupid teach not to rape shit. There is no evidence it would change shit. And even less in the fact of how it would be done at all.
>>687287647
according to your statistics I and every other gun owner should be dead but we're not.
maybe you should take up stamp collecting.
>>687288178
post more clearly next time.
>>687288006
>To make the ratio decrease that means more people in Norway commit suicide by gun percent wise than in the US.
no. it means the ratio for suicide is smaller than the ratio for homicide.
>>687288340
Nah I would rather be retarded
>>687288252
learn math
>>687288178
Despite the fact i'm against guns, I do sympathize with american gun fags. For some people, the nearest police station is 50 miles away. In those cases, I think owning a gun for self defense is acceptable.
>>687288480
>learn2maths
>learn2fractions
>>687288006
Ah, that fine american education.
No, let me explain it. I'll use little words so it doesnt tax your brain.
For every 100,000 people, 1.6 people will use a gun to kill themselves in Norway.
For every 100,000 people, 6.6 people will use a gun to kill themselves in the US.
Therefore, More people kill themselves with guns in america. To be exact, rather than my "about 5.5" rough guess, its exactly 4.12 times as many.
Per capita means that is regardless of population. Regardless of if its a population of 5 million, or 300 million, a per capita figure gives a rate, of how many of those people, in every 100,000 will have that event happen to them.
It does not mean "To make the ratio decrease that means more people in Norway commit suicide by gun percent wise than in the US." In anything but your feverish imagination.
>>687288252
What is it with americans and their complete inability to understand what Per Capita statistics mean?
Every single time....
>>687289054
Dude im in a large city and the response time is garbage, people dont want small tax increases to hire more cops so they are stupidly understaffed.
Fuck the bullshit. I'd rather have guns
>>687283337
There was only one mass shooting in entire history of our country (10 million) - and it was 8 dead.
What the fuck is that bullshit?!
>>687289472
Czech republic, I forgot there are no flags here
>>687289188
>You literally are incapable of understanding my argument.
That's fine bro I understand your point, just that it is irrelevant.
>>687289472
Bullshit made up by the gun nuts to try to hide how fucked-up their nation is, of course.
>>687289411
I guess the long term solution would be to improve policing. Only if that works, we could phase out unnecessary firearms.
>>687289640
Improve how? Where would this money come from?
>>687289549
Big difference between uni and state education.
>>687283337
>>687289813
State universities?
>>687289737
Hey, i'm just some twat on the internet, i'm not gonna sit here and single highhandedly fix US's gun issues. But can you at least agree that if we did improve policing, it might be a good idea to phase out the more dangerous weapons.
>>687289939
The government doesn't get to decide their syllabus
>>687289640
They arent unnecessary. Read and understand the constitution.
>>687289640
Taxes
>>687289737
Oh, lets see....
>>687290124
Whatever dude, I just think that a sidearm is more that enough for personal defense / a rebellion.
>>687289737
Ment to tag you in>>687290124
It would come from taxes
>>687290203
Wow, it's almost like you guys could all get free education and healthcare if your politicians weren't so shite.
>>687283337
fatmericans can't into basic logic
>>687283337
LOL
>>687290016
More dangerous weapons being?
>>687283337
So it's pretty much confirmed that America can't into math or statistics right?
>>687283337
>>687290368
LOOOOL
>>687290368
What are you getting at here?
>>687290371
I'm not an expert, maybe anything that can't have a practical use outside of killing another human being?
>>687290259
Nah. It aint. When you look at the fact that you already have to be pretty well off to even get a fully auto, and some states have retarded mag capacity laws, we're pretty out matched
Damn Norway, Get your Shit Together.
>>687290203
>hurr its on a kool graff so it must be tru huh
>>687290506
Those kinds of weapons are for Self defense tho
>>687284845
>So, you are more than 5x as likely to die from a firearm in the US. you are 34 times as likely to be murdered.
>thank you niggers
>>687290547
I think if it's that far gone even the most powerful civilian weapons won't be much use.
>>687290650
You can still defend yourself with a hunting riffle.
>>687290832
So then just give em everything else? Pack it in and make sure they have 100% control?
>>687290649
>>hurr its on a kool graff so it must be tru huh
Holy shit. Are you seriously trying to say that you dont believe that the US has a military budget nearly an order of magnitude greater than almost every other nation?
Are you really THAT retarded? Seriously?
>>687283337
>Norway topping off the highscore board for every mass shooting per person killed
Are you gonna stand up to this, america?
Arm your kids today and reclaim your title.
>>687290762
This.
Our gun deaths are not a result of our gun laws. It's a result of niggers and a failed "war" on drugs
>>687290430
these are mass shootings not regular murders with guns. stats are bogus
>>687290934
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
Oh look this thread again
>>687290913
Try clearing a small house with a giant bolt action rifle.
Acidently miss and hit neighbor while he's at his computer beating off
Get stabbed while trying to work the bolt to chamber another round.
Survice attack and still get manslaughter.
Fuck that and fuck you
>>687290927
But they don't have full control. You can still vote, protest, emigrate even become a politician. Violence can't solve this problem, especially if you're fighting something so much more well equip that yourself.
>>687283337
Where is the UK in that list Amerifags?
>>687290961
Fill Norway with niggers and thug Mexicans and you would see the murder rate go up.
So the lesson is, if you want a safe country, have only white people in it.
>>687291119
Pistols do exist, plus who's coming to your house for the exclusive purpose of stabbing you?
>>687291202
Too busy dealing with ragheads and fleeing the EU.
The last time a Gov rid all the citizens of guns, was the German gov under Hitlers control, ever wonder why the Jews didn't just shoot the Nazis coming into there home.
So libtards ignore per capita stats here >>687291060
But acknowledge them here
>>687290203
>>687291314
naaaaaaaaaaaah
>>687291373
Learn history
>>687291314
That's cute coming from a 60% white nation
>>687291294
>defend yourself with a hunting rifle
I was providing an example
>who's coming to your house to stab you
Have you ever heard of a violent home invasion?
>>687283337
>Crime Prevention Research Center
This organization was debunked when you posted this thread yesterday
inb4
>sure kid
>sure kid
>sure kid
>sure kid
The Funny Part is
>Norway has really strict ass gun control laws
>Norway is on the top
>>687290934
>Holy shit. Are you seriously trying to say that you dont believe that the US has a military budget nearly an order of magnitude greater than almost every other nation?
No, I'm saying that just a graph w/o any source at all isn't evidence of anything.
I acknowledge we spend more, I sleep well at night knowing this. And in the future don't get so upset over someone calling you out for not providing any source. Really makes you look like a child.
>inb4 Wikipedia
>>687291577
eh, it just seems unlikely that a guy with a knife will see your hunting rifle and just be like "fuck it, i'm gonna charge him."
>>687291577
Vote Dem 2016, they won't get rid of Guns but the ammo and gun sales will help the economy grow!
While I'm here who wants to give me the agreed upon definition of a "mass shooting"?
>protip you can't
>>687291577
>Have you ever heard of a violent home invasion?
Yup.
I've also heard of shark attacks, flesh eating bacteria outbreaks and killer bee swarms.
In other words, scary things that the media shows precisely because they're scary, but are highly unlikely statistically.
>>687291851
I think it was 3 or more injured or killed
>>687290016
I can agree with that.
>4chan
>sensible people
>mfw
>>687291373
>The last time a Gov rid all the citizens of guns, was the German gov under Hitlers control, ever wonder why the Jews didn't just shoot the Nazis coming into there home.
Only the nazis increased the laws on gun ownership. The Weimar republic which preceeded it had heavier restrictions.
furthermore, what do the Jews say about using that argument?
>The Jewish Federation of Greater MetroWest NJ released a statement saying: "Access to guns and the systematic murder of six million Jews have no basis for comparison in the United States or in New Jersey. The Holocaust has no place in this discussion and it is offensive to link this tragedy to such a debate."
So, your argument is one that not only is factually wrong, but is even considered distatesful and inaccurate by the families of those people who you're referring to.
Well done.
>>687291851
Much like hate speech, intelligence, black equality or feminist logic such things defy definition.
>>687283337
>gets cherry picked stats from Fox News
>is gullible Ameritard
>is more likely to die by gun than citizen of any other first world nation
>kek
>>687290203
Not understanding how much of that money is for scientific r/d.
>Why the us is the scientific capital of the world.
Guns are cool. That's all that matters.
>>687292079
The stats in OP's pic aren't just "cherry picked," they're actually from an organization (the crime prevention research center) that has proven time and time again to be fraudulent with their data.
>>687292079
>not a negro
>don't live in ghetto
Nah, I'm fine.
>>687285341
>only two names come into his mind
See how common mass shooting are in your country? Look at the past 10 years of mass shootings in America and laugh your ass off.
>>687292201
stats pls
>>687291715
Again, read the entire post. The hunting rifle aint practical, dangerous as far as over penetration and wouldnt be a good choice in home defense.
>>687291794
Guns are everywhere man. Even more women are buying them now. More than ever.
>>687291938
If you live in any major city it happens all the fucking time. The bullshit news stations only show the real juicy ones.
>>687292597
use your words
>>687292509
Why 10 years? There is a mass shooting at least once a week. I don't think my days since last shooting has gone double digits in a couple years.
>>687292792
what about a pistol? Serves the home defense purpose without going overboard?
>>687292252
This guy gets it
>>687291393
Ever hear of a small sample size, you tard? Per capita or not, the point is that basing the stats on one mass shooting is retarded. If some asshat in San Marino takes out 50 people, their mass shooting deaths per capita would sky rocket, all because of one tragedy. Norway is a fuckton safer than the US.>>687291459
>>687289188
Who the fuck cares if someone offs themselves with a gun? I do not understand how that's an issue... are the guns making people kill themselves? Because if we're talking suicide rates, lrn2Scandinavia...
>>687283337
this only proves other countries are better shots.... suck it usa
>>687292910
Thats exactly my point. Dude said you could defend yourself with a hunting rifle. Not saying you cant. But its not really the best idea
>>687291953
>agreed upon
This definition is used by the federal statue https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-112publ265/html/PLAW-112publ265.htm
The FBI says 3 in one article and 4 in another
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#two
(The link that says 3 is pdf so I cant link it on mobile but it's about active shooters, not hard to find on google)
Shootingtracker.com says the shooting can be in a series and not just one event.
Gun violence archive says 4
Standford says 3(including the killer in a suicide)
Mother Jones and NYPD(and other police stations across the nation) limit it to public on places, excluding gang violence(this is a major factor) or domestic violence, where 4 or more are killed.
My point is, when people think of mass shootings they assume just ""multiple"" people died. But because there is no legally agreed upon definition, emphasis on legally, a discussion like this is meaningless. Take into consideration that OP's pics isn't counting just deaths. So the posts about being more likely to die blah blah isn't accurate. Yes you are still more likely to die in US from guns but the numbers that have been shown in this thread are waaay off.
You sincerely want to fix America's gun problem? Fix it's drug problem.
>implying the gun control methods are cutting down the amount of casualities per mass shooting rather than the actual shooters ability to kill people
jeez do the hamburgers in the us melt ur brain or some shit..?
>>687293057
Because less guns will equal less suicide.
Oh wait... rope, knives, drugs, tall buildings, gas etc etc.
>>687283337
does that list include mass stabbings and WW 1&2
>>687283337
>per million people
Every time.
>>687293538
Because if one thing's for sure, its that criminals will always follow laws.
>>687292038
>Only the nazis increased the laws on gun ownership. The Weimar republic which preceeded it had heavier restrictions.
Okay so you conceded his point. Good job.
>The Jewish Federation of Greater MetroWest NJ released a statement saying: "Access to guns and the systematic murder of six million Jews have no basis for comparison in the United States or in New Jersey. The Holocaust has no place in this discussion and it is offensive to link this tragedy to such a debate."
Literally saying:
>it hurts my feels so don't use it in an argument
You're on the wrong website.
>>687291294
>Pistols do exist, plus who's coming to your house for the exclusive purpose of stabbing you?
Murderers?
>>687293318
But do you agree that anything bigger than a pistol for home defense wouldn't be a good idea, for reasons you previously stated?
>>687294103
A shotgun is marvelous for home defense.
>>687293371
you're right, but that's a whole other can of worms
>>687294318
Thats the point- fixing the drug and gang problem is hard. Passing laws to disarm innocent citizens is easy. Whether one will affect the other appreciably is irrelevant, this is politics, and people 'want to do something'.
>>687294076
but couldn't your murderer just turn up with a gun?
>>687294166
but they also have non-defense applications, so would be available anyway, assuming we're talking about prohibiting the sale of guns that don't have a practical use.
>>687294583
Sure. Or a bat, or their hands. Point is you have no idea. If you're an invalid or a woman, a grown man can pretty much kill you with his bare hands any time he has a mind. Ironically, disarming people hurts the most vulnerable the most.
>>687294103
No. You (or whoever said it) said
>you can defend yourself with a hunting rifle
Which would be a shitty idea.
A pistol would be nice, a shotgun would work well, an ar-15 in the proper configuration would work very well too.
research published in the American Journal of Public Health reported that, even after adjusting for confounding factors, individuals who were in possession of a gun were about 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession
Research published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that living in a home where guns are kept increased an individual’s risk of death by homicide by between 40 and 170%
>>687294745
1)Every gun has a practical use or no-one would buy it.
2)The difference between a hunting rifle and an assault rifle is cosmetic at best.
3)YOU dont get to decide what kind of weapon is necessary.
>>687294860
Bet those stats include flat out criminals who are always likey to be shot because of the shit they are into
>>687294860
correlation does not imply causation. I guarantee people who have bars on their windows are far more likely to be murdered. The bars aren't the reason the are being murdered.
>>687283667
No 60% of gun deaths in the US are suicides not mass shootings. So your 30k figure is incorrect first off
>>687294860
Maybe because criminals/gang members keep guns in their home too? Fucking idiot
>>687294860
90% of those deaths are from the cops shooting someone who was commiting a crime and not legally allowed to own a gun in the US, faggot.
>>687295093
theres the whole fbi report on crime which backs what you are saying up completely but fuckwits like this guy will never accept the truth that crime rates go up exponentially in gun free or gun safe zones. and 90% of gun deaths are by cops shooting felons who arent allowed to even have a gun
Daily reminder if you support assault rifle bans you're literally a fucking retard.
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/assault-weapons/
>>687284845
only if you live in the inner city and are a gang member. that accounts for 90% of gun deaths in america
>>687295042
Could you cool down please, I want to have a sensible discussion.
1) I mean a use other than for killing people e.g. bird shooting.
2) In my book a hunting rifle would be single shot with a low capacity, i'm sure you'd agree that is different to an ar-15
3) This isn't a valid point, we are talking in hypotheticals.
>>687294860
>stats 101 correlation does not imply causation
>>687294857
I concede that point, I'm convinced a hunting rifle would be a bad idea. However, surely an ar-15 would hold that same problem of being too penetrating?
Either way, i still believe the only guns that should be allowed should have a purpose outside of killing people, can't you agree that would be safest?
>>687289640
the last thing anyone wants is some faggot like you who has no understanding of guns to tell everybody what is and isn't necessary.
you wanna say, oh look at aussies, look at the UK.
i say look at the abbo's in oz-land, look at the irish and scottish in the UK.
then look at the fact that americans are the only country with African americans, who are the most violent, uneducated and dangerous classification of human ever
we need guns not only for the looming govt. threats but for the violent underclass that rapes, robs and kill us white folk
>>687296794
Do you honestly believe this?
>>687296499
>you shouldn't own an AR15 because they are too penetrating. Dude you're just fishing for shit to argue about at this point.
>>687296907
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
>>687290016
by using your logic, we should just ban all ammo and no weapon could be dangerous. we'd all be shooting blanks like your adopted dad you faggot
>>687296907
Literally nothing he said is incorrect.
>>687296499
>Either way, i still believe the only guns that should be allowed should have a purpose outside of killing people,
Why? Thats just an arbitrary stance. You could as well argue only guns that double as refrigerator magnets should be allowed. Other than as an emotional argument, i dont see the point.
>Either way, i still believe the only guns that
can't you agree that would be safest?
Safest for whom? The criminals?
>>687290259
please by all means, start a revolution with six shots from a sidearm you raging homosexual
>>687297036
You haven't been provoked, why are you angry?
>>687297221
I don't want a revolution, it's just some middle ground to keep the crazy ones happy.
>>687296499
You know what i really want. To be left the fuck alone.
Dont tell me what i cant own
Dont tell me what i cant put in my system
And leave me the fuck alone.
Most people just want that.
The whole, "oh you cant have that because its dangerous" is bullshit
>>687297489
You can't cherry pick the parts of society you want. If you want to be left alone, go live in the mountains.
>>687289921
To be fair, hitler was an alright guy
>>687293538
>That criminals follow laws.
>That it's hard to make a gun.
>>687291294
Never been to the EU?
>>687297646
I sure as hell fucking can. You cant tell me there arent certain parts of the law that are absoultely rediculous that can be done away with.
>>687296923
See my original points, you'll find my argument there
>>687297646
been tried, they follow you. Always some busy bodies to track you down and try to force you to live the way they want you to. All for the 'greater good' of course.
>>687292038
parroting someones opinion does not make it factual, retard
>>687297190
It's not emotional, it's to limit the number of people who don't have a good reason to own a gun having a gun.
>>687297751
Don't get macho with me, this is why the police exist.
>>687285341
You're a fucking retard
>>687283337
>from mass shootings
>Belgium
Can you direct me to when the last mass shooting last year was in Belgium? Because I seem to have missed them.
>>687297736
Lol, i live there
>>687297867
Being able to kill people when necessary IS the reason to have a gun. You're trying to flip that on its head, as though hunting or target shooting is a good reason to own a gun, but self defense is a bad reason. If anything its the other way around.
>>687292079
those stats are shite mate. only way those numbers are even close is if you added suicide, death by cop and accidentals. either way i'm white and i'm gonna be ok
>>687297813
tbh that'd piss me off to, but we can't have anarchism, it get people killed.
>>687292252
god bless you anon...
>>687297945
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
Police dont prevent crime, they document it.
>>687298053
come on, you don't really want to kill someone do you?
>>687297945
Yep, the police will be there in twenty minutes. Long after I have stomped your lily ass into the dirt.
>>687298084
We dont have or need anarchy, we have a limited, representative republic with constitutional guarantees.
>>687292252
only reasonably intelligent post i've seen in any gun control thread ever.
>>687298118
and then prevent future crime by punishing criminals/ rehabilitating them
>>687297813
And they can fuck you over and condem your house becuse you arent on the grid.
>>687297945
The cops do need to exist. But take for example pot.
How much more important shit is there forbthe cops to worry about then some dude smokin a joint, or one adult selling another adult a substance no more dangerous than alcohol.
>>687298211
Why are you resorting to threats? You're a human being dude, you're better than this.
>>687298101
Allahu akbar
>>687298249
who's we?
>>687298166
What I want isnt relevant. I dont WANT somebody breaking into my house at 2 in the morning with unknown intent. What i have to do given a situation i am forced into and didnt choose is a different matter. I'd love to go through life never hurting another soul, but I dont get to make that decision necessarily.
>>687298285
It's true, we should leagalize drugs. Lot less wasted police money, shit ton of tax money and we destroy the cartels overnight.
>>687298348
I'm not. I was half-ass joking about police response times.
>>687298283
cold comfort to the victims. I think i'll keep my guns and my family safe rather than die with the happy thought that maybe the cops will catch and rehabilitate the murderers.
>>687298166
Your dubs were wasted on such a stupid statement.
No. I dont care to ever kill someone. Even the piece of shit criminals. Even they have families and people that love them.
BUT
If they try and threaten my, or my families life, then they'll have to be dealt with.
Thats the problem with anti gun people. They think every pro gunner is just sittin in front of their door waiting to shoot domeone.
>>687298396
I don't think you'll ever have something like that happen enough times for you to need a gun.
>>687298496
eh, you've obviously got deep seated beliefs, I won't argue with you
>>687298591
It only takes one time chum. And I choose not to take that chance. If you decide differently, good on you, but dont try to make that decision for me.
>>687298494
Janitor trashed my post.
>>687296907
yes because i can distinguish reality from the cuckold fantasy you live in where everything will be alright if you behave, fuck that i can handle myself and i need my AR to do so if the time comes
thats not up for debate no matter how bad it hurts your feelings, ya mushmouth homosexual
>>687298591
>need
Good thing it's the Bill of Rights and not the bill of needs =)
>>687298486
It would be messy at the start i think. But shit. I agree. Booze and cigs are fuckin people up left and right. But they are perfectly legal? Fucking. Why.
Its forsure only a matter of time for weed. The other shit idk.
>>687289813
Yeah, the price.
>>687298591
This logic
>ya know hunny..that 4th break-in was pretty bad... two or three more of those and i might look into getting us a gun.
>>687297287
curbing the use of dangerous weapons will require all kitchen knives to even be confiscated (see UK currently) fuck you and fuck you perception of whats dangerous, anything with an edge is dangerous to you anti gun queens, your even a danger to yourself being such an edgelord
>>687299140
Even this post should be illegal for being so edgy
>>687284845
Why are any of these things bad? Over population is the worlds number one problem.
Alcohol prohibition in the yearls 1900s and marijuana prohibition that is still going on proves that prohibitive laws that "ban" any inanimate object never work. Furthermore, it is unethical for the state to make decisions on the "proper" way for a citizen to live their lives. America is a country that prides itself on freedom and it is time to practice what we preach. We took the first big step with federally guaranteeing the 14th amendment to everyone in the country. It is time that handgun licenses and permits are abolished and we all adopt a constitutional carry policy. Maine already did and a few other states. But we need it everywhere. The 2nd amendment should not be limited by what percentage of a state's population is liberal soccer moms that don't like guns because the terminator movies are scary. Before I even hear about "it's just a piece of paper, written 200 years ago", the Bill of Rights is there to ensure our NATURAL RIGHTS that all people have from birth.
>>687299140
No it's just guns that are dangerous, don't you remember the DARE program? Gun's kill people! oh wait...
>>687299729
I took dare in 5th grade
Smoked weed for the first time in 6th
Realized that it was the scary boogy man drug that dare and my parents told me it was
>>687299610
I always love when people try to say that the US is too far advanced to ever have martial law, or revolution etc. Bitch please. We are a young ass country. And by the way things look we are skating by.
If people werent morons, and actually paid attention to important shit, we probably woulda hsd a few by now.
>>687284625
zdravoo bratt
>>687299971
Maybe to a 6th grader. Weed is good.
I love the often repeated libertarian line that "A married lesbian couple should be free to guard their pot plants with automatic rifles." That accurately sums up freedom, as opposed to being picking one side that likes some freedom but hates it for other people.
stats unrelated but on topic
>>687289549
>the average american school has -
nah fuck it to b8y
>>687284845
>you are 5 times as likely to use a gun to kill yourself
I accidentally suicided
>>687300211
people are way to complacent. It gets a little worse and a little worse over and over and over until it's way too late. Look at how concerned America is over this fucking gorilla that just got shot (not talking about michael brown or treyvon martin) and ceicil the lion before that. People need to get their heads out of their asses and practice some civil disobedience.
>>687293546
>It's as easy (mentally) to jump of a building as it is to pull a trigger.
No
>>687299610
>Alcohol prohibition in the yearls 1900s and marijuana prohibition that is still going on proves that prohibitive laws that "ban" any inanimate object never work.
>>687300311
I firmly believe that stupid facebook statement though. Let gay people get married. Who gives a fuck. Doesnt do anything to my life. Let people smoke weed. Let people who go through the proper steps and arent prohibited to own guns.
>>687300569
But why shouldn't people be allowed to have an easy way out if that't their choice?
>>687291668
>needs source on US military spendings
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>>687300647
I never said anything about abortions. But since you bring it up in trying to imply I'm an old white conservative, I think that it is noone's business but the person getting the abortion. Defunding planned parenthood is one of the stupidest fucking things this country could've done. If we are going to make a social contract to give away part of our freedom to a government, our taxes should at least be going towards things that help us rather than thinking of new minute details of things to make illegal and further restrict our lives. Socialized healthcare and education are nearly all the government really should be doing for its citizens.
>>687300311
Idk if I believe them there stats for the first ten years of the graph. I mean they're sourced it's just its hard to conceive that we could have accurately gauged the actual homicide rate at the time with the inefficient forms of communication. I mean I understand that's not at all the point of this graph, just thought I'd shoot my two sense off in such a polarized thread.
>>687300569
>you can use this item to easily commit suicide, so you csnt have it.
Do you see how stupid that is?
>>687283337
Daily reminder that discussing political issues with sociopaths on 4chan is senseless
>>687300790
>proper steps; aren't prohibited
But that's gun control. anything less than unrestricted access to these inanimate machines is compromising someoneelse's rights based on your comfort zone. Maybe you think the "prohibited person" should have to pass an arbitrary test to be able to own guns or vote or speak freely, maybe a soccermom down the street says he should have to take the test every three months. Which of you should have the say in what that other person is allowed to do in his life?
>>687301084
Guns are great for abortions, they kill that little featus 100% of the time! well if you hit. Sometimes takes me 12 - 15 tries before I hit but no worries I use a banana clip.
>>687301384
I can't even tell, anymore, who is a sarcastic hasguns poster and who is an actual liberal crybaby. This country is fucking imploding.
>>687290235
>because using a fire extinguisher and firing a gun is even remotely comparable.
>>687301084
The father should have a say, she didnt just fuck herself into getting pregnant. And the governement shouldn't provide health care or social security in my opinion.
>>687301275
So sociopaths opinions don't matter? Might as well gas them like the Jews right?
>>687301378
Fair enough. So maybe i am ok with A LITTLE gun control. To be honest the current background check process seems fair. The full auto ban is bullshit. And so are the capacity bans and numerous california laws.
>>687301711
Then what are you paying them for? So they can pay cops to make sure you don't drive over an arbitrary speed limit? I feel if they are going to take my money or put me in jail, I should at least benefit from it more than the rare occasion that my house is on fire.
>>687291393
>500 billion dollars spent on military per capita
What?
>>687301275
Seems like its been pretty civil
>>687301702
>inanimate object
>doesn't do anything unless you pick it up and wave it around pushing buttons
>can stop an already started disaster before the government arrives
Owning both sounds like a good idea to me! And if it doesn't to you, then don't. But don't try to tell me what's moral to defend my house from fire/criminals with cause that's literally none of your business.
>>687301935
I just don't think the governemnt should give handouts to people unless they are vets and such, just because you are poor doesnt mean you cant work harder to pay your own expenses and create a savings. There is no excuse unless the person is physically or mentally handicapped.
>>687302301
Or black. Don't forget to race bait. Always important to race bait in /b/ threads.
>>687300923
>>687301249
Because it's often a rash decision. Imagine how many horrible decisions angsty hormonal teenagers would have made it they could to them instantly and without anything helping them realize/feel how fucked up it is.
999999999
>>687302301
I'm not talking about handouts to people who don't contribute, I mean everyone benefitting from everyone doing their fair share. see pic
As far as welfare, that should be a handout for immediate need and then you should be cut off and given access to a job. Like when we created a national highway system to pull our country out of the depression. There are a lot of pot holes on everyfucking street that could be fixed. Not to mention tens of thousands of structurally deficient bridges.
>>687302475
That is a different story, in which I believe our judicial branch needs remodeling, namely if people are lazy niggers that sponge off the governement, that if that govt aid were to stop, they would commit crimes, then i believe we just need to go judge dredd on their asses and keep people out of jail to save tax dollars by killing them at the scene of the crime. Truly an ideal society, where the weak die and the strong prosper.
>>687302196
>one kills people, escalates situations, helps suicide, enables easy mass murders, has been used several times by kids that ended up accidentally killing themselves
>Other doesn't do any of this.
Jupp, same thing 100%.
>>687302878
Rebuild architecture, yes good idea. Socialism? No. Bad idea.
>>687303038
How is user irresponsability the fault of the object and not, you know, the user? Do you also think that crime in detroit is the fault of society so we can't lock up innocent ol jamal, he don know no bettuh?
>>687302741
Razor blade, large doses of headache pills, or other otc drugs its allllllll easy.
The argument is still pointless
>>687302741
And realize how many less shitty repressed/alcholic/poor/homeless/abusive adults we'd have if they went through with it.
>>687283937
High quality reality
People can't be killed by there own stupidity/choices if we elminate all choices. Government mandated lockdown in beds is the only way! we'll be force fed nutritious paste and IV'd water. Waste removal through internal cathetars and shit tubes. Climate controlled rooms and filters to keep out pathogens. We'll live forever! Won't someone please think of the children?
I would rather live one more day as a free man than give up my way of life because it makes some liberal fuck uncomfortable to know what's going on behind my closed doors.
This image is 100% accurate by current firearms laws. Our laws are nonsensical and are a conglomeration of fear based bans piled on top of each other. Gun control is the same as biggotry.
>>687303266
My mistake, I forgot I was on /b/ for a moment and assumed people had enough empathy and imagination to realize how pulling a trigger is easier than stabbing yourself til you bleed to death.
>>687286987
Or only look at gun crime and not over all crime
>>687303214
By this logic everyone should be allowed to own nukes. Cuz you know, blame the stupid people misusing it, not the weapon itself.
>>687290927
They're already paying your welfare.
>>687290358
stop talking sense
>>687303896
Actually...
http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/
Signs would stop those damn toddlers which are a greater threat to America then terrorists.
>>687304014
So I can't concealed carry a pistol because nuclear explosives in the hands of citizens would be unfavorable?
>>687303871
Except i wasnt talking about stabbing yourself to death. Suicide is rough dude ive had family off themselves.
But to think bannin guns eould reduce it is dumb.
>>687303842
Good ol government logic right there.
>>687290124
God I love the constitutional argument, because only people who aren't actually rationally looking at the situation make it.
So what do you think your dinky hand gun will do when the tyrants do a flyover with a predator drone and blow you up like all those ignorant goat fuckers in the middle-east?
>>687304052
What welfare? I work.
>>687304790
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/
>>687291393
your grasp of statistics is weak. your preferred is mass shootings only (generally accepted as an event with at least 4 victims). Im Norway this is mostly about a single event in 2011 with 70 some victims. The total gun deaths per capita in Norway is significantly lower than the US.
>>687304790
It wouldn't reduce suicide you idiot, it would just make it so more people don't succeed.
>>687304650
>So I can't go around with the option to kill hundreds of people*
Fix'd that for you
>>687304014
Legally you can own nukes with the proper paperwork. Hell, the ATF would be the least of your concerns in building a nuclear weapon, the EPA and DoE regulations and inspections would be the motherfuckers.
>>687304794
Cause the government to use a million dollar drone to shoot a $100,000 dollar missile to kill a guy with a $200 handgun.
>>687304794
This is why it's legal to own a flame thrower, missile launcher and other non-vehicle firearms.
Some also make the argument that takes should be legal to own as well but so far no one has really challenged it in court.
>>687297036
>improved policing = banning sale of ammo
Calm down you triggered faggot
>>687304794
Because the veitkong had a lot of heavy weapons and superior firepower in the 60's right? Go watch red dawn and realize that it isn't about physical brute force, it's about citizens standing up to someone trying to control them. It isn't a great arguement as to why guns are fine, but it is a valid one. Self defense, hunting, sport shooting, just plain "it doesn't affect you what i do in my life so fuck off and let me live it", etc.
>>687304794
You're right. Lets just say fuck it and be socialists. Scram that old piece of paper. Venezuela looks awesome.
You think enough of the military is gonna turn on their own country?
Get used to guns being around. They're only getting more and more popular. You probably stand next 10 or 25 people a day that carry them a day. And they dont fuck eith you or anyone else. Because they are law abiding citizens.
And to say, oooh this is turrible. We must get rid of all our guns, the government will NEEEEVER turn on us, is just asking for overreach
>>687303038
http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/gun-safety/firearms-versus-swimming-pools.php
>>687303871
And doing pills is even easier (cheaper, more available) faggot. Learn logic
>>687305005
Still a shit argument
>>687305089
Why is it that the anti's think so violently but try to put that on us. You realize that carried handguns STOP way more crime than they cause right? Cause it's legal in most places and most people follow the law. Since it's for self defense (shooting an attack, i'm not trying to kill him; though it really doesn't matter if he dies) than it is to PREVENT crime. You would probably be surprised (and likely offended, knowing liberals) at how many people around you in public have loaded guns on them, and knives, and other various weapons.
>>687305090
Yeah, I mean it's not like there's any international agreements that prohibit enriching uranium. No sir, nothing like that exists.
You retarded downies. Do you even understand the concept of gun control? It's not about not having guns, it's making sure you aren't selling guns to a terrorist, making sure your infant doesn't accidentally shoot themselves.
>>687305555
Pills are the "don't want to die but want attention" way to commit suicide. Going by attempts versus success in suicide methods, asphyxiation and firearms equal.
>>687305675
How bout this for an argument? You know how much shit i try not to get myself into BECAUSE i like my rights, especially guns, and dont want to become a felon, and get them taken away. Hell if anything guns have made me a better citizen
>>687305675
see pic related; those are fbi stats
>>687305752
>he fell for it
You make fienstien proud, sheep-man
>>687305398
Because the US military gave up because the Vietkong beat them back, right? It's not that international pressures and them not wanting to just completely destroy the whole country made them decide it wasn't worth it anymore. Yup, the vietkong actually defeated the american armies full might. Even managed to block a nuke by shoving some bamboo into the timer on it.
>>687305752
Its really not though. Because most laws passed ARE restricting nothing more than the average dude who just wants to buy a gun.
>full auto "ban"
>mag limits
>bullet buttons
And on and on and on.
Your average gun owner will agree with certain shit, BG checks, stuff like that. But these other laws that supposedly make peoplee safer are pointless.
>>687305895
damn straight. In my state, I am totally liable for not running away from a home invader. If and when I shoot him, I've gotta give up my guns and prepare to pay jamal's family a whole lot in civil court.
>>687305675
>"You are the violent one"
>"It's ok to kill people"
lol
>>687306095
Are you saying that the American's came out better on the ground in vietnam? Because if so, you should really educated yourself. We were slaughtered by guerrilla warfare.
>>687305469
So, basically, your argument is that you wouldn't even need to beat the tyrants because the army wouldn't follow them? So why do you need guns you fucking idiot?
I love looking at stats that show specific categories that are made to ignore other very related items.
Sure that stat is true.... for shootings that involve 4 or more deaths in a single time frame....
But this stat wont include.
Suicides with guns
Accidental suicides with guns
injuries from a gun that don't lead to death
Shooting deaths by police officers in fear of their lives because they think a someone (including children) holding holding something other than a gun.
Any gun deaths involving just 1 death
any gun deaths involving just 2 deaths
any gun deaths involving 3 deaths
any gun deaths involving 3 deaths and multiple gun shot injuries that didn't die.
So lets take countries that have much smaller populations that have had the rare "mass shootings" and compare their mass shootings with ours... cause that will accoplish nothing except make Gun rights people happy and left wing tards angry.
>>687283337
>see we're better than all these third world countries!!
I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but OP's argument is shit.
>>687306167
Sounds like a shitty state to live in. But even in "stand your ground" states csnt you still be dragged through civil suits?
And all them attourney hours aint cheap
>>687305752
Enriching uranium is pretty common as unenriched uranium isn't good enough for reactor fuel.
>>687305752
In most cases the people pushing for gun control are aiming for no one to have guns. We have pre-existing laws to stop you from selling to a terrorist and an infant accidentally shooting themselves is the exact same as an infant getting into the cabinet and drinking floor cleaner.
>>687306305
Legally it's called justifiable homocide. What you seem to be suggesting is that gun owners just want the ability to kill as many people as possible. We as a majority, don't want to kill anyone.
Hypothetically, Lets say your boyfriend is being beaten savagely by a criminal for no good reason (there is no good reason for crime and no way to just "appease" the criminal) and you know you can stop the attacker and save your buttbuddy. You also know for sure that the criminal will die. Would you not save your family by killing their attacker? What if it was your own life at stake, do you really value "peace and love" over surviving?
>>687306308
No, I'm saying that the American military chose to retreat rather than remove Vietnam from the face of the earth. If someone wants to argue that because some fucking cavemen didn't get blown off the face of the earth by a country facing international pressures that they could realistically face down the might of the worlds strongest military, they are a fucking potato.
>>687306305
Most pro gun people DO NOT WANT to kill people
>>687306338
No, but your argument that the gov. Would just use drones makes it seem like they would have full force of the military.
Let me try here.
Gov says fuck it lets take this shit over.
Military says fuck off
Gov disarms them somehow
We live in your world with no guns
We're fucked.
Idk its a far fetched story, but the point remains that, the 2nd was written for the exact purpose of defending agaisnt a tyranical government snd to argue that it could NEVER happen is foolish
>>687306429
Yes but there is something called the castle doctrine that protects you from civil suits if you are on your own property (usually including cars) I'm in NY and we don't like freedom or self preservation here, just governers that scalp baseball box seats.
>>687306577
You're an idiot. Natural Uranium is used in low and high power reactors, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>687283337
>Fox news statistics
>Takes as absolute truth
>Not realizing propaganda
No wonder our country is filled with idiots
>>687306680
tldr
Criminal has gun, you have gun: He sees you have gun and you both start shooting. Someone probably dies.
Criminal has gun, you don't: Normal robbery ensues, you lost some money but survive.
Stop being an angsty teenager with authority issues and an alpha complex.
>>687306706
That's not even true. If we were concerned with international pressures, we wouldn't have been burning villages to flush out enemies. To say that we let ourselves loose that is incredibly nonsensical and pretty shitty considering how many americans died. Or where they just baby murdering gun nuts too?
>>687306850
Yeah thats what i was unsure of i knew there was something that protected you.
Man i do love NY but hoooly fuck are your laws outrageous.
>>687306826
It's not far-fetched, it's completely ridiculous. How does a government disarm an entire army without using the aforementioned army?
what the hell is going on in Norway?
>>687306308
The Viet Cong had mostly expended themselves by 1968. Following the Tet Offensive the war was conducted mostly by the Soviet-backed North Vietnamese Army. The USA also ended direct military involvement in 1973 but South Vietnam didn't fall until 1975 when the North violated the Paris Peace Accords.
>>687306429
Depends on the civil protection laws. In some states a justified shooting prevents one from being the target of a wrongful death suit.
>>687307226
Fair enough bad example but as i said, thats why it was written, thats why it will always be fought forx and thats why guns are here to stay
>>687307148
American most certainly lost it willingly. They could have done exactly what they did to Japan, and won in a week at most. They chose not to.
>>687291060
that just shows how americans are bad at aiming
>>687307099
>Criminal has gun, you don't: Normal robbery ensues, you lost some money but survive.
There are a millions different individual hypothetical situations. You avoided the one I asked you about. Perhaps you realize that you might *ghasp* defend your or your loved ones lives, given the situation?
Criminals will not always just let you go, sometimes people get shot for literally no reason. If you don't want a gun that's fine, but don't tell me that it is wrong for me to want to defend myself with one.
>Stop being an angsty teenager with authority issues and an alpha complex.
stop being a complacent statist who is afraid to say anything negative about all powerful big brother.
Serious question, to most gun-defending American citizens here, without claiming 2nd amendment, what reason do you have to actually own a gun that is practical? Just trying to understand your position in the argument.
>>687303038
>one saves people from burning to death
>one saves people from being killed to death
Yeah, actually. Really similar.
I know you're trolling, but there might actually be people who think like that in this thread.
>>687291794
Horsey's political cartoons are almost always dogshit.
>>687307423
It was written centuries ago, when having a musket made you the equal of that other guy with a musket who's under the control of tyrants. Nowadays it doesn't fucking matter what you have, the military has better and you are not their equal because you've got a gun, or a missile launcher, or a tank. You're just slightly less unequal, not that that is particularly relevant.
>>687307474
Aparently we did come close to using them
>>687307099
Criminal has gun, you have gun: He sees you and doesn't rob you he doesn't want the risk of being shot.
Criminal has gun, you don't: Normal robbery ensues, and he might kill you so that you can't identify him to police.
>>687307099
>i have faith in a stranger pointing a gun at me not to kill me because im not going to report the theft.
>>687307694
Ahhh the musket argument. I love it. So wrong. So dumb. Lol
No but so by that logic you could find fault with all items in the bill of rights no?
US has 20 more deaths per million according to that chart you fucking idiot
>>687307151
It's nuts, man. To get a handgun license in my county, it's 6-12 months waiting, $300 fingerprinting, 4 notarized letters of recomendation from non-family in my county that have known me for over a year, numerous interviews with police and judges, name number and adress of ex-spouses, all my family and neighbors get calls from the state police that don't stop until they answer and vouch for me.
It's not like the constitution says I have a right to that big hunk of metal or anything...
captcha was eggs and bacon lol
10,39 annual shootings in Norway
30,29 annual shootings in America
>>687307694
Do you realize the first semi-automatic rifle was made before the constitution was written?
>>687307746
>>687307806
So if you wake up in the middle of the night because someone is in the other room stealing stuff you'd rather go out to them pointing a gun instead of dropping out the window?
Which of these two scenarios do you think gets you killed the most?
>>687307694
can a tank or predator join watch a street corner? Can it raid a house, or control thought?
If the Vietcong and countless Muslim militia groups can be that effective in their own conflicts agains the US military, imagine how fucking effective the American populace would be, coupled with the fact that not every US serviceman would be A-OK with killing the people he is sworn to protect.
To say "oh the second amendment is outdated, just look at what the military uses compared to what you use" is a fallacy, because even if our weapons were only 0.1% effective against the military it would still be worth having them for the CHANCE of revolution.
liberals just hate the idea of conflict, just the thought of two people disagreeing with each other enough to resort to violence makes them piss themselves in fear.
Lets look at it this way, there are 4 main options.
You don't have a gun criminal does
you don't have a gun criminal does not.
You have a gun, criminal does
you have a gun, criminal does not
If you have a gun, your chance of getting robbed goes to zero. and your chance if being shot is 50%
If you don't have a gun, your chance to be robbed is 100% and your chance to get shot is still 50%.
>>687308120
One will certainly loose me my tv and hard earned money.
Some people are more than happy to run away and some people would rather fight. If you are offended by either scenario perhaps you should check your fight-or-flight privilege.
>>687304794
>you don't stand a very good chance of defending yourself and your family
>so you might as well just give up
Literally the most cuck thinking I've ever seen. Please, please consider suicide.
>>687308120
I'd rather keep my stuff in my possession.
The more people stand up for themselves, the less home break ins will occur.
Would you rob a house if there was a high probability of you being killed over it?
And woulnt you know it. As we all argue, and as you anti gunners say we should have less guns... there has been a shooting at UCLA ... in a state with a FUCKTON of gun control. Huh. Funny how that works
Really fucking shitty.
>>687308120
The one that involves me dropping out of a third story window onto concrete.
