/b/ can you even seriously give me one SINGLE legitimate reason why I shouldn't vote for Donald J. Trump to become the next President of United States of America and by extension the free world?
>>686794899
He's a cuck. Do you want a cuck for president?
>>686795055
are you still butthurt that Bernie couldn't close the deal with his own party?
>>686795276
Who gives a shit about Bernie? This is a Trump thread. Personally, I think you cuck supporters are a bunch of faggots, but I guess here in the US we have to pander to idiots like you.
TRUMP 2016 !!
>>686795595
who's we? you need to take a step back kid
>>686794899
He's utterly unqualified for the job, and he's a dangerously unhinged and delusional individual. What more reason do you want?
![0df[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a04PF79.jpg "0df[1].jpg"){kind=small}
>>686795055
You're thinking of bernie cuckers.
Pic related: it's you.
![150807073434-donald-trump-gop-debate-thumbs-up-august-6-full-169[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QqHTLwV.jpg "150807073434-donald-trump-gop-debate-thumbs-up-august-6-full-169[1].jpg")
>>686794899
Nice dubs. But I can't think of a single reason why you wouldn't want to vote for him. He is the non-PC non-faggot leader we need. Fuck illegals, fuck h1bs, fuck lazy fat fucks.
>>686795844
this...so much this !
>>686794899
He blamed the victim when the organizer of a Mohammed cartoon contest was attacked by terrorists.
![403%20-%20macro%20pointing%20samefag%20sin_cara%20spider-cara[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/dprTp6L.png "403%20-%20macro%20pointing%20samefag%20sin_cara%20spider-cara[1].png")
>>686796143
>>686795844
Good work!
Do you really want a president that had a twitter war with Rosi O'Donnel?
He couldnt even keep his word about a silly debate for a day before flip flopping.
trump rich he no good
trump hate mexicano
he racist
me grimlock hate trump
>>686796372
>Do you really want a president that had a twitter war with Rosi O'Donnel?
Yes. We don't need degenerates like O'Fatass.
>>686796420
Lol are you that retarded. He canceled because the news networks didn't want to give all the proceeds to charity. Those pieces of shit wanted to skim off the pot. Keep being a dumbass though.
>>686796683
Numerous people came forward to donate over 20 million to whatever charity he wanted.
>>686796683
>believes anything pro trump
>others are dumbasses
Welcome to the future, where this is true by law.
His hair.
>>686794899
You're joking me right? he's literally hitler you idiots, if the unthinkable happens I'm leaving this stupid country before civil war 2 breaks out
>>686796931
Yes, but let's see. They've never hosted a debate, are liberal leaning and the other was a boxing PPV event. Why the fuck would anyone want to debate on those stages?
>>686797184
>>686797013
>686797013
Lol, way to go good guy. You got me soooooooo bad.
Maybe if you read beyond the CNN headline you'd understand what I'm talking about. Trying doing research and you won't make a fool of yourself.
MAGA.
>>686797374
What the hell are you talking about? Fox agreed to hosting the debate and people agreed to donating money to a charity of his choice.
>>686797184
This could be b8 but the reality is that he really is similar to Hitler
>Says outrageous things early on to appeal to his target audience
>Scapegoats groups of people (With Hitler it was "THE JEWZ TOOK OUR JAHBS", with Trump it is "THE MEXICANOS TOOK OUR JAHBS ANFD ARE RAPEN US, BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME")
>Later takes back much of what he says to appear more moderate
>This also proves that he doesn't really care about policy, but just wants power
>>686797623
You don't see the issue here? Fox is going to make a killing from it.
>>686797620
Maybe if you read anything. Something tells me you get your news from your asshole.
![mexican_flag_protest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1fs0L3g.jpg "mexican_flag_protest[2].jpg")
>>686797750
Not really, try harder bro.
By your logic Bernie is also like hitler.
Go back to earning your good boy points from mommy.
>>686797750
>could be b8
You're new here aren't you?
![TightAlarmingJanenschia-size_restricted[2].gif](https://i.imgur.com/80DoURO.gif "TightAlarmingJanenschia-size_restricted[2].gif")
>>686797946
Who's making insults now? You fucktards are so easy to debate.
>>686797785
You mean like how all the news networks have made money from all the past televised debates since the JFK Nixon debate?
>>686795055
nice try bernie, you've had your time!
>>686798064
It's still only you, I'm just calling them like I see them.
Maybe if you had said anything that turned out to be correct things would have gone differently?
![carlcuck[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JLOuSrN.jpg "carlcuck[2].jpg")
>>686797946
Furthermore asshole, why the fuck would Trump debate the loosing candidate. Bernie is over in the next few weeks.
Trump doesn't make deals that don't meet all his criteria. It's his MO.
Bernouts just got BTFO in 4d chess.
ARE YOU KIDDNG ME?
>>686797184
>literally
>>686794899
>>686798463
>loosing
>BTFO
>>686798007
I know it was bait but I was just qualifying his Hitler comparison which he probably made just to piss people of but I believe holds some merit
>>686798463
why dont you ask trump why he agreed to the debate in the first place? people arent mad that he said no to the debate, people are mad he changed his mind so fast.
>>686796130
Donald Trump is incredibly PC.
>>686796170
>>686797947
You're for the most part right, but no one has scapegoated quite like Trump, well, except for the fact that Republicans blame immigrants for a lot of the same shit, but Trump has stood out for it.
>>686798761
>2016
>Not knowing Hillary ordered Trump to not do the debate
>>686797184
actually true. hitler reborn in america. proof:
remember how hitler died in the '40s?
guess, who was born in the '40s... ? (that's right)
look how they both passionate about their uniq hair style
and last but not least: remember how trump said he had german ancestors? i know it's freaky but we need to wake the hell up
>>686799153
didnt know the great Trump was under the heel was Hillary
1. He ran a scam "university" and ripped off customers.
2. He was a nightmare landlord doing all kinds of dirty tricks to force people out of buildings for $$$.
3. He's a pathological liar.
4. He's a draft-dodger.
5. He's racist.
6. He's sexist.
7. He's a bigot.
8. He lies about his net worth and refuses to release his taxes.
9. He's thin-skinned and petty.
10. He talks about fucking his own daughter.
>>686799087
By the way, here is a good simulation of Trump's scapegoating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHNk0-7hW3U
>>686799644
It's as obvious as it is unfortunate.
>the great Trump
>>686794899
1. Walls won't stop illegal aliens from taking jobs or drugs from coming into the US.
2. His tax and entitlement policies will grow the deficit and favor boomers and ancien, big busines over start-ups and high skill.
3. He's a pathological liar and a perpetual failure who's only"redeeming quality" is either a lack of shame or an inability to comprehend people other than himself.
4. His presidency would bring out SJW like you wouldn't believe.
5. His supporters are hopeless, cheap meme sluts and their cancer will persist long after 70 yo Trump is dead and gone.
>>686799856
You're right, but prepare for the autism waves, they are approaching and are off the charts...
>>686794899
I would if i could but bros you better back canada and make us muslimfree
>>686799856
Yeah but Hillary Clinton has some emails that people talk about a lot and Bernie is nice to black people so...
/b/ is full of basement dwelling neckbeards fapping to loli, shota, traps, furries, and bananas. It's posters regularly post their own buttholes and rate one another's dicks.
Trump is /b/'s natural choice.
>>686794899
Because you're not an idiot.
![d2f28d51325518ae75186541e3457305[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hDHxPN6.jpg "d2f28d51325518ae75186541e3457305[1].jpg")
>>686799856
MFW - Not having sources to back up any of that!
![4528032+_5b81d94760c46ac027c4e90f54453436[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UrtAZiD.jpg "4528032+_5b81d94760c46ac027c4e90f54453436[1].jpg")
>>686800025
No sources!
His Democratic opponent (HRC) is the continuation of the BHO steady center-left hand on the steering wheel, which is god-tier economic policy
![former-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-1[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tYY1y9q.jpg "former-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-1[2].jpg")
>>686800171
You're right, Bernie told me that white people don't know what it's like to be poor. I must have lost my magical white boi check book with millions in it.
>>686798669
He is loosing though
He's so delusional that he is claiming that there is no drought in California.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-california-farmers-no-151400713.html
>>686795844
>unqualified
The only people that are qualified and have experience are past presidents Faggot
Because he's a billionaire on an ego trip who says dumb shit all the time.
>>686799946
>not being able to see sarcasm
no one actually thinks trumps great
>>686800409
Here, I'll help him and you out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-vietnam-draft-records-secret-documents-deferments/story?id=13492639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi33KkhKRWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d32577Hom08
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-05-20/how-trump-s-self-worth-became-his-net-worth
You could have just dug deeper, but what the fuck, I'll help
>>686800409
>>686800524
>No sources
Where the fuck do you think you are a classroom? Do your own fucking research, /b/ is not a place for intellectual conversation it's for shit throwing, Trump is covered in shit deal with it.
>Give me one reason that I should not vote for trump so that I can bitch about sources
fixd
>>686800409
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-judge-idUSKCN0YK0PA
Trump is literally going to be on trial for fraud sometime in the next few months
>nb4 hurr durr its a civil case
>>686794899
nigger
>>686794899
Because if you don't elect Hillary, you don't get the fun of seeing the wacky antics of Bill being back in the White House.
>>686800524
Are you really so stupid that you need sources for the fact that it is possible to cross or circumvent a wall? You haven't heard of air planes or boats?
>>686801123
>pay 120 billion a year because of illegals and Mexican trade deficits
>herr fuduuuuur drumpf is baddie : ^)
>>686800718
Amount of stupid shit said during the campaign.
Bernie, 2
Clinton, 12
Trump, 9000+
Is that all it takes to get your vote?
>>686797750
Hitler was a socialist and believed in everything Bernie says he believes in, however Trump is using some similar tactics that hitler did but they are all basic good tactics that anyone should use.
>>686800524
RAND, Cato, widespread observation (Google pathological liar and fund him), look at his rallies and the people speaking up for or against him. Do you want more of that?
>>686801094
>Wikipedia
>YouTube
If that were a research paper, I would have just failed you outright.
>>686800950
You sure no one thinks that fam?
>>686801430
do you even know what a trade deficit is?
![big-pussy-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SxeS9H3.jpg "big-pussy-2[1].jpg")
>>686801094
LOL!
The only thing that sticks is the Trump University.
You're truly a faggot. Youtube isn't a source and wikipedia isn't really either, but whatever I'll take it.
Also trump will release his taxes after he is done being audited. Jesus christ you're silly.
Looks like you're wrong:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jul/21/was-trump-draft-dodger/
>>686801409
You are a faggot.
Good thing I don't need sources to back that up, eh fag?
>>686794899
>Just do it .gif
>>686801597
>using Trump's own words recorded on youtube isn't legitimate
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6eXUCiC.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>686801409
Are you really that stupid to think that air planes and boats are a source of 90% of illegal immigrants. CRIMINALS...
>>686794899
>>686801697
>http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jul/21/was-trump-draft-dodger
this moronic piece is conflating draft dodging, which includes both legal avoidance and illegal evasion with pure evasion, which nobody claimed he did.
>>686801597
They're fucking INTERVIEWS, they're youtube videos of things he's been recorded SAYING and if wikipedia isn't good enough for you, look up "Trump University",
No need to be a school-tier sourcing memefag
You clearly weren't interested in sources anyways, you just looked at the links and went straight for the credibility meme, just fucking google for different sources of the same material, faggot
![dNVvntX[2].gif](https://i.imgur.com/LFzdYx4.gif "dNVvntX[2].gif")
>>686801452
>Is that all it takes to get your vote?
We'll it looks like he's offended your lame ass. So yes!
>>686801597
>>686801747
Exactly what I was just thinking. He probably can tell a shit book by the cover as well.
>>686801123
Cringe as fuck
Seriously tho if you dont like politucs what are you doing ITT
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I would definitely vote for Trump before Sanders. Those retarded liberal college kids chanting "FEEL THE BERN" is obnoxious. Can't back a winner, so they just want to annoy everyone as much as possible.
>>686802033
In what way am I offended? Were a bunch of faggots here faggot, are you retarded?
>>686802051
>Comes to /b/ to learn about politics
Good luck in life.
>>686801712
You're the only faggot here, retard.
>>686802038
>>686801965
>>686801747
>implying I bothered to look at any of those links
>being this butthurt
>trollingthemsoftly.jpg
>>686802178
/thread
>>686794899
You mean besides he denies the existence of the greatest existential threat society faces today let alone understand how it works and probably doesn't know what the other carbon problem is?
Sure
His environmental policy is non existent
He wants to compete with the countries we are outsourcing to by giving us the same work and environmental regulations they have, it will be fun to have the same standard of living has Mexico or China
Wants to waste time and money building a useless border wall that is both socially and environmentally damaging
Because he is a con artist and just an asshole in general
Has no real plans besides telling everyone how yuuge everything is
.
If you want to know what life would be like under president trump, look at Oklahoma. Not pretty is it?
>>686802261
Who said im here to learn retard im here to discuss how trump will win and piss all of you SWJs off
>>686802178
No link no proof
>>686802325
the trump voter,
low-information and proud of it.
>>686802325
>Jokes on them I was only pretending to be retarded the whole time :^)
>>686802178
>>686802336
1-samefag
2-as if President Trump could ban videogames kek
>>686802346
not trying to defend Trump but please explain why global warming is such a big deal.
>>686794899
Because he'll return America to glory. Can't have that
>>686801430
yes and we lose 60 billion to mexico to them annually through it and an additional (over) 80 billion to support their citizens that come here illegally.
That's a yearly $120 billion a year wasted because of a bad deal and the government not enforcing the law
>heh do u even know what that means? check mate loser
>>686802488
>implying I support trump
Shit dude... did I wreck ur anus that bad? cuz ur reeeeeeeeeel mad
>>686801957
It depends in the truth of his multiple medical exemptions. It's not like it's a legal issue, though. He's already been pardoned. It shows a lack of integrity, honor, honesty, service, courage, principal, etc.
At least Bernie had the balls to admit his objections and fight the draft. Trump tucked his dick and said avoiding STD was his "personal Vietnam"
>>686802484
>no link no proof
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/280812064539283457
>>686801697
First of all, you source is from Politifact, but more importantly, it states that he isn't a darft dodger because he didn't illegally avoid the draft. When people say Trump is a "draft dodger", they mean that he used the money his family had to go to college and avoid going to Vietnam while poor people were fucked and had to
>>686802488
The non-Trump voter,
generalizing about everyone who doesn't agree with them.
What's it like being a bigot? :3
>>686801666
checked and also was meant for >>686802626
>satan confirmed against the god emperor
>>686802664
Some serious cringe.
>>686802530
>gets troll'd
>LUL UR TARD NOT TROLLING U DUMMEEEE
Shhhh... save what little dignity you have left.
>>686802717
>At least Bernie had the balls to admit his objections and fight the draft.
Of course Trump was a draft-dodging coward but I guarantee you that at some point during the 1960s Bernard referred to our boys getting killed over there as baby-killers.
>>686802626
That, and also companies that use illegal immigrant workers who get away with paying them 3$ an hour are fucking up the economy
In trump words, a company that cant afford to pay their employees a living wage should not exist
>>686802965
>uh-oh can't argue
>CALL IT CRINGE
>>686802553
Sea level rise, leading to millions of displaced peoples
Excuberated Coral bleaching and ecological regime change leaving primary production crippled
Large scale climatic shifts causing extreme drought on one side of an ocean and cataclysmic floods on the other
The list goes on
And that's not evening mentioning the other interrelated carbon problem, ocean acidification
>>686802626
>thinks we lose things through trade deficit
okay so you don't know what a trade deficit is.
>>686803037
Alright, since there's so many sources being thrown around where the fuck is yours?
>>686802484
in denial?
>>686803140
The worst I've ever seen in fact.
>>686794899
>supporting buy outs is better than supporting sell outs
I'm an honest to God Hillary supporter. Trump comes as a respectable second, and Bernie a distant twelfth.
>>686802841
1. The article offers images of primary sources.
2. Trump sought and received multiple, non-educational deferrals.
You're either illiterate or the worst kind of shill.
>>686803321
Pretty sure the sourcefags are just trolling with the source meme
>>686803372
I like how you refuse to be the mature one and drop it.
You make me cringe as much as the other faggot.
>>686803173
>Large scale climatic shifts causing extreme drought on one side of an ocean and cataclysmic floods on the other
Believing in contradictory things.
Yeah warmism is simply a post-modern apocalyptic religion. Building sea-walls is cheaper than giving up carbon energy.
Lol coral bleaching.
"Primary production crippled" what the fuck does that even mean you cultist?
>>686803414
This is what has become of trolling
>>686803237
It's an educated guess based on what Bernard's world-view is.
>>686803037
I really doubt that, he was in the same boat of Noam Chomsky in seeing the actions of our government as deplorable and our soldiers as victims. He has been a long term advocate for veterans welfare.
>>686803414
>I'm an honest to God Hillary supporter.
Opinion disregarded.
>>686803222
>A trade deficit represents an outflow of domestic currency to foreign markets.
Well I imagine the opposite of an inflow of money is losing money.
Also turn off your trips hacks
>>686802626
>>686801430
>pay 120 billion a year... because of trade deficits
>pay... deficits
Being stupid enough to think that's how trade deficits work, LMAO!
Wow, and Trump is supposed to be a business whiz? He's literally borderline retarded if he thinks that's how it works. And his followers are just as dumb for believing his horseshit.
Protip, retards: A trade deficit is when we buy shit from Mexico, but they buy less from us.
You have a "trade deficit" with McDonalds, when you go in for your neckbeard lunch of 3 Bigmacs and 2 large fries. That doesn't mean McDonalds somehow owes you that money back.
Likewise, Mexico doesn't owe us shit because we buy from their businesses. Thinking you can make the country somehow "pay" back money you spent buying their products is just moronic, yet Trump says this shit and his neckbeard followers eat it up like a dog devouring catshit.
Holy fuck you morons are stupid.
>>686803624
I hope you support Bernie, because then I can legitimately laugh at your loss.
Trump retweeting a picture in honor of serial killer Fred West
>>686795595
So mad it's hilarious.
>>686803590
I'm sorry you can't engage in a mature conversation. :( Being a manchild must suck.
>>686803630
A trade deficit represents us buying stuff. that's literally all it is. My trade deficit with wal-mart is enormous.
>>686803724
Basic economics, Trump followers don't follow it, bro.
>>686803740
No, well not die hardly anyway, I'll probably vote for Hillary. But anyone who begins that way is disillusioned.
>>686803873
so trolled its getting ridiculous
He supported Hillary when she was running for New York senator.
>>686803415
If it hadn't of been for his educational deferrals, he probably would have been drafted, as the source mentions that he received several from his education, which was provided not by scholarship but by his family wealth.
>>686803724
Incorrect.
That money to mcd's goes to pay american wages, mortgage on an american house to an american bank, car payment to an american dealership.
Trade deficit takes that money out of u.s. circulation.
What happens in a theoretical situation where 100% of currency is shipped out of the country?
Do you think the u.s. can just print more money to replace everything going out?
>>686804224
"They are terrific people"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lFrk4PbVg
>>686803616
>Noam Chomsky in seeing the actions of our government as deplorable
ah well okay. Still a fool. I mean that's pretty much exactly what I meant but with the fine distinction of low-level American soldiers not being guilty themselves. That's a fair distinction, but it still unveils him as a fool and a fellow traveler.
>>686803510
Climate change would be much more economically damaging than giving up fossil fuels, in insurance money alone.
What you just said there is especially retarded considering that almost all new growth in the energy sector is in green energy and retards that by into the denial machine like you.
Want real energy independence? Have a solar panel on every roof top, that's a step further, energy autonomy.
You don't know what primary production is?
I guess ecology is a cult now
Retard.
>>686794899
Because he supported the Clintons.
ANYONE who has ever supported the Clintons should be executed.
Starting with the Clintons themselves.
Followed quickly by their paid shills.
>>686804613
>implying you are old enough to remember Clinton being in office
Lots of summer in here
>>686803724
Read
>>686804272
And i want to add, a trade deficit also means that its cheaper to establish out of the states to manufacture products to be sold in the USA
But you bern out dont care about anything else than niggers
>>686803724
>cut out the part about illegals adding over 80 billion to that
See >>686804272
Maybe i should've used the word "LOSE" $120,000,000,000 because none of that money benefits the US or AMERICAN CITIZENS
Please, join your crowd of intellectual superiors fighting against the big bad USA
>>686804270
Don't obafucate. The educational deferrals are necessary to attest to his plutocratic, cowardly scum-status but far from either sufficient or necessarily sufficient.
>>686803891
This is what has become of trolling
>>686804471
And then facts were revealed an opinions change.
Theres only one constant in life- change.
>>686804597
lol you think solar panels are self-sustaining without gov't subsidies. Lol keep dreaming.
>>686804597
>Climate change would be much more economically damaging than giving up fossil fuels
this is literally not true, without fossil fuels modern civilization does not exist. It simply doesn't.
>>686804272
That's a different question you're addressing.
I'm not saying trade deficits are either good or bad (they are both, and you'd realize this if you knew anything at all about the subject).
My point is that trade deficits aren't "owed" to anyone, as Trump suggests.
A trade deficit is not a debt that is required to be repaid. They've already BEEN repaid, with services and products, or they wouldn't even exist in the first place.
Yet he, and his followers parroting his stupidity, pretend as if you can use trade deficits as a source of income by demanding they get "paid back."
He's literally promising to build this wall based on imaginary debt that no one would, or even could, pay...
>>686794899
HE WANTZ TO DPORT PEOPLE
>>686804730
A) I'm more than old enough to remember the Clinton presidency.
B)Go fuck yourself.
>>686804823
the only thing that changed was he started running as a republican
Because you're not a United States Citizen.
Check and mate.
>>686804272
Americans consume more than other nations do. We consumer 53 times the amount the Chinese do, and like 40 times the amount the Indians do.
If you want to keep being consumer whores, you're going to have to shut the fuck up and deal with it.
>>686804597
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-is-wrong-with-global-warming.html
>>686805023
Probably nailed it.
>>686804849
>without fossil fuels modern civilization does not exist
>Without fossil fuels, our ludicrous excesses are impossible!
Unsustainable gluttony will end, one way or another. We can end it on our terms, prepared for the change, or we can drive off the cliff into a fucking Mad Max film, while ruining the ecosystem for a thousand generations.
Sure, fucking Thunderdome might look fun in a film, but I promise you, living it won't be a picnic.
>>686805424
sinful humans must be punished for harming sacred Nature.
The religion of climate change everyone.
>>686805424
>Implying God does not protect the United States.
lolololol
>>686804272
>money goes out
>valuable products come back in
>this is a bad thing
>>686795719
>>686805639
Pretty much the entire ideology of the left.
People are evil and must be controlled.
>>686805639
Hey I found the god faggot I was making fun of.
>>686805878
what?
>>686805639
>>686805876
Man there's lots of god freaks itt, it is a trump thread I guess. You guys sound insane tbh.
>>686805876
People are ignorant and must be educated.
>>686806156
You can't force me to know what I'm talking about!
>>686806148
What's your definition of 'god freaks,' faggot?
>>686804882
>My point is that trade deficits aren't "owed" to anyone
No shit because the money has already been lost faggot, hence the term annually lost
Greekfag detected
pay debnts
>>686805424
>talking about who to elect
>talking about banning petrol
Edgy
>>686806156
>People must be re-educated.
>>686806370
Isn't it controlling to rob people of money they want to spend on Chinese products?
>>686806156
We have to be educated? Oh boy is this gonna happen in some kind of super fun camp type setting?
>>686806370
>pieces of paper leave the country
>valuable products like shoes and clothing enter
>Oh my god we're losing all of our paper guise!
>>686806466
>>implying anyone is born with knowledge.
>>686795844
No one running for president has experience as president.
>>686806148
>implying the pope didnt talk against trump
>>686806466
Science denying has no place in the future if humans are to be apart of it. You can call it indoctrination all you want, it's needed if we want to live past our planet or to not die from natural shit.
Only if Donal trump becomes president I will do a live kms live stream
>>686805639
>sinful humans must be punished for harming sacred Nature
I'm literally saying the opposite, retard.
I'm saying that the longer we force the planet to sustain the unsustainable, the worse we're making it on ourselves (and the planet as well) in the long run.
I don't want to live in Mad Max's world, but that's going to be the fucking result, if we don't stop. We're driving full speed at the cliff, and you're slapping my hand away from the ebrake and shouting "YOU WANT US TO CRASH DON'T YOU?!?!"
2015 was the hottest year on record. 2014 was the hottest year on record before that. Next year, 2016 will be the hottest year on record. I'll remind you that our records keep track fo 120 years of temperatures.
That's not a fucking coincidence. We're literally destroying the climate, and there are going to be consequences. I want to MINIMIZE those consequences, but you think I'm the one that wants them out of some perverse sense of cosmic justice? Wow, you're dumb.
>>686805689
Not as dumb as this guy, if he's serious, though.
>>686806596
>inferring that I made any such claim.
>>686806573
>many companies keep moving manufacturing jobs south of the border
>countless americans losing their jobs
>but hey at least i have a shirt and pencil made in mexico
>>686806817
>>re-educated.
You pretty much said they were already educated.
>>686806755
Science denying has no place in our future.
Neither does faux-science.
>>686807071
And you know what is real science and fake science more than our fucking scientists? Get real. I'm not so edgy that I think I'm a better welder than welders, are you a climate specialist anon?
>>686807071
Scientists have largely abandoned the Republican party for their stupidity.
>>686806573
>pieces of paper leave the country
>valuable products like shoes and clothing enter
>Oh my god we're losing all of our paper guise!
This guy gets it. Trump's whole argument is retarded, and so are the neckbeards in this thread defending it. Pic related, typical trumpfags.
>>686806994
Pretty much. Apparently the faggot the inferred that I was somehow saying that people are born with education completely missed that.
>>686806777
>120 years of temperatures.
do you have any idea how small a fraction of time that is in geological terms?
>>686806777
>I'm literally saying the opposite, retard.
you're predicting that your goddess nature will smite us for our sins if we don't repent and make sacrifices, I know what you're saying
>>686806777
>We're literally destroying the climate,
no, the world is getting slightly hotter and we probably have something to do with that. There will be good consequences to this and bad consequences but you have somehow decided this is the apocalypse because this belief is not based on reason but on faith.
>>686806986
when this country was founded well over 90% of people worked in agriculture. today it's around 2%. was the loss of all those agriculture jobs a bad thing?
>>686807310
Good thing I'm not dumb enough to be a Republican or Democrat.
>>686806986
>many companies keep moving manufacturing jobs south of the border
Literally the result of neoconservative policies like NAFTA (Inb4 Hillary supported it, Yeah, She IS A NEOCON TOO, along with half the Democratic establishment, and 98% of the Republicans, Ron Paul excluded, but not his sellout whelp.)
>>686794899
He is an asshole who keeps telling people what they want to hear without any idea how to do it or pay for it, without any legitimate or scientific background. Although he haven´t spend much time in DC he got his contacts and is part of the political system for years. He used or tried to use all those people he claims now official ever to have hated.
He is not better than all of those. He just wants the power. If he wants to give something he could pay so many things out of his pocket such as many lesser wealthy people do all along. He is a divider, he seeds hate and that is something what makes him strong. To hate is easy, to love or to care needs effort and may hurt.
>>686805316
>David Friedman
Kek, the libertarian economist who works for the Cato institute(find in infographic)
>blog
Multikek
Here's an interesting peice explaining extactly how and why you are getting smoke blown up your ass
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=RsYr_iQUs6QC&oi=fnd&pg=PA144&dq=organized+climate+change+denial&ots=r5QE56jg6H&sig=B8kDN_KYCcPnDGZ36zInGW_Kdek#v=onepage&q=organized%20climate%20change%20denial&f=false
>>686807310
>the left controls nearly all educational institutions
>educated people end up being leftist
I for one, am shocked, shocked.
>>686807328
>not based on reason but on faith
>SCIENCE is faith
Holy fuck, you're a moron.
>>686807581
Well, the important thing is that you find a way for you to think you are better than everyone.
>>686806757
Cant wait
>>686807328
Science denial much? I bet vaccines caused your autism... And GMO's gave you the hemorrhoids that have you so butthurt.
LMAO
>>686794899
VOTE NOW
http://www.strawpoll.me/10345495/r
>>686807815
>Science is faith
Obviously, E=MC to the power of faith.
>>686807910
I suppose playing partisan politics instead making a single valid argument would be a much better use of my time.
>>686807815
you have confused science with scientism. Most people who put SCIENCE in all caps have.
>>686807780
try refuting the argument rather than attacking the messenger you close-minded, willfully blinded fool.
>>686808046
Name a single scientific fact I have denied rather than attributing false strawmen to me.
>>686805639
This is a false narrative.
Humans vs nature.
Climate change is 100% a human problem.
Nature will be fine, in the long run.
But humans will not be fine with crippled natural systems, we are completly dependent on nature.
go ahead and name one thing you have that is possible without nature
Sanders is literally Bane.
Trump is literally Batman.
Hillary is literally two-face.
>>686807793
What's the reason the left controls higher education exactly? Educated people in general are better critical thinkers and that's not something the right wants, at all. It's inherently bad for them.
>>686807328
no because the farmers running them kept their farms, they just used technology to mass produce and pushed out competitors, now each state has their own large brand farms and the ones that are the most successful are nationally known.
The difference was technology was the main factor that changed the amount of people working in agriculture. Unlike manufacturing that is being replaced by cheap foreign labor instead of machines. Which if they were, it still would be different since most agriculture machines are still operated by the farmers/farmhand where as manufacturing machines don't need operators.
>>686808205
I didn't read, blog science from economist on exon mobils payroll is not science
>>686808205
>try refuting the argument
What argument. You're basically pointing to the mountain of evidence for climate change and going "nuh uh."
>>686808346
>literally
>literally
>literally
>>686795844
he is inexperienced in polities yes, and that is reason for caution.
however he isn't actually unhinged or delusional. after years of practice with his tv show, he's managing the persona he thinks will get him the presidency.
i.e. if we have a president Trump, we will have some problems due to his inexperience, but none from him being a crazy person.
>>686794899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF3yrdv3eY8
this guy president
>>686808205
So I went ahead and skimmed it to humor you and got to this cringe
>
>>686808317
Please explain how a slight increase in the earth's temperature will lead to "crippled natural systems"
>>686808414
Because they actively exclude right-wing voices. That's the whole safe-space culture is about if you haven't noticed. Even honest leftists who write for the NYT are now admitting this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html
>>686808481
you clearly didn't read it all. he never once denied the evidence for climate science.
>>686808458
how does it feel being so close minded that you're afraid of new ideas?
>>686808815
I think when people say things like crazy person, they are saying that he has no experience as being a normal, person. He has no real world experience, everything in his life has been from the view of a person who makes up less than half a percent of the population. How could he know what it is like to be a citizen like you or I? He can't and does not. That's often the problem, that and idiots that exaggerate like the "unhinged dilusioned" guy.
>>686807328
>>686808425
Not to mention what the fuck would the US be if 90% worked in agriculture still? We wouldn't have the fast paced economical power house we have to day, not to mention all the land that would be taken up. Assuming in this scenario we keep the same current population we have now, the US would be over populated due to farmlands taking up so much space. Sure we would be well fed but there would be a housing shortage, food values diminished due to over surplus and not to mention the amount of water it would take to keep this already hurting farms to keep producing.
The only thing farming technology is to even partially be blamed for is the the dirty thirties dust bowls
>>686807317
Those guys in the pic aren't exactly fighting for men's rights though, those are just some retarded dudes...
>>686808425
>Unlike manufacturing that is being replaced by cheap foreign labor instead of machines.
Same effect on US employment. Americans have lost jobs either way. Why is one bad and the other good?
>>686809189
>The answer, I think, is that nobody knows if the net effects would be good or bad, and probably nobody can know.
That's just complete, unadulterated retardation
Natural systems cannot adapt fast enough to keep up with the current trend.
Not to mention he's not even trying to refute the science but is completly ignoring it to plant the seeds of discontent within the less fortunates like yourself that don't know better
>>686809405
Right and where would be if the same percentage of people worked in manufacturing as did in the 1950s? Oh that's right...we'd have a 1950s style economy.
>>686807280
Which specialists? Oh, the ones pretending to be the overwhelming majority? Learn mathematics. Examine both sides without letting your bullshit ideology blind you.
>>686794899
you are gay
>>686801094
Wiki and Youtube, holy shit lol
MAGA
>>686809718
where is your balls? did you surrender them to globalists? don't answer that, i think already know the answer which is not american
>>686809871
>pic related for you
He's a pussy and too scared to even debate that other pussy Bernie Sanders.
That's what I call pathetic.
>>686810073
It's cool if you think that the majority of scientists in the world are wrong for whatever reason, but if you were right and could prove it, there would be no need for your stupid bullshitting you could you know, prove it. But you can't, you just pull claims out your asshole.
>>686810473
>uses the word globalists unironically
well enjoy your economically illiterate fantasy my Trumpskyite friend.
>>686810473
the world's poor in every single country have never been less well-off thanks to globalization and free trade. please don't bother replying, this is simply a fact. any economically illiterate responses will be ignored.
>>686794899
Has tiny hands and fingers
He isn't worth 10billions like he says
He believes the Jews did 9/11
He believes that global warming is a scam created by china.
He believes Obama was born in Kenya
He is not a successful business man
Has many fail business and lawsuits because he is a scam artist
He wants to fuck his daughter
He acts like a wining little boy
He doesn't want to release his taxes, because they will show he doesn't pay any
He has no grasp on reality
He usually re-twits white supremacist material
>Everything he says is just an act and falsehood only a FOOL would take anything he says seriously or as a fact
He's a fucking troll
But honestly if you need someone to give you a reason. You're going to vote for him anyway he is the troll president that b wants and approves.
>>686797184
> literally
>>686810698
>Implying I'm the one making bullshit claims.
>Refuses to do own research.
>Thinks I don't know better than to actually present evidence to an ideologue.
>Dumb as fuck.
Fuck off m8.
>>686811178
Telling me to go do research to figure out how practically every scientist in the world is wrong when I myself am not a scientist is like me telling you to go out and prove how reality is a lie because I know it to be true but fuck you go do your own research.
>>686809233
>>686809233
>Please explain how a slight increase in the earth's temperature will lead to "crippled natural systems"
Okay but this is your last freebie after this your gonna need to pay for me to educate you, I'm not even qualified to teach spec Ed ffs
Let's take for example the coral reef community, now coral has a symbiont blue green alge that lives inside it, this is how the animal aquires it's energy.
When the sea tempature rises this symbiont cooks and dies, leaving the coral a white lifeless husk.
This has a profound ecological impact, firstly it cuts off new energy from coming into the reef via coral(primary production), it robs the rest of the reef community that gets its energy from planktonic alge(which is killed with ocean acidification and climate change aswell) of living substrate to live on.
Once you take out the bottom portions of the food web this happens https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_cascade
What are we left with? A broken natural system that can no longer feed the 2 billion people that rely on the sea as their source of dietary protein.
>>686811397
>how practically every scientist in the world is wrong
a lie
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2014/02/david_friedman_14.html
>>686794899
How many reasons ? 1 you say? Ok cool.
He"s a silver spooner that was born into money. Never made his own way in life he basically banked off his dads money. " small loan" was taken and wasted instantly while living off his trust fund. Waited his dad kicked the bhcket inherited the estate. Somehow claims he made that. while knowing that , idiot racists still follow him blindly. Slick new yorker bullshitter tycoon somehow bushwacked his way into being accepted by southern The south will rise again belivers. In essence you gonna vote for someone that 8 years ago you would robbed for a 6 pack. But since he's a racust fuckface somehow the weaklings gave him a pass.
Theres your reason. Dont be a fucktard weakling being used by this bullshitting new york tycoon. He is selling you bridges in brooklyn and they are buying it. Dont be a idiot.
>>686794899
I can think of one word to make you vote for Trump....Hillary.
>>686809233
Now this reading material is your homework http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coral_bleach.html
>>686799856
so hes the male version of Hillary only less corrupt and actually know how to make faces
and talk to people. fucking Hillary for present paid shrills, gtfo
most of the same shit can be said of Hillary but Hillary has the actually support from the clan and has accepted millions of dollars from them. So who is the racist?
Hillary is a fucking lier
Hillary is far worse
I would vote for Satan or Hillary or the Antichrist before i'd vote for Hillary their all better choices. Also less "fake" they dont hide everything and make shit up all the time while the people around them that dare to speak out tend to drop dead like flies...
>>686811697
That article was from 2014 when the consensus was more around 90%, loo it up recently and it is around 97% globally accepted. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
>>686796372
absofuckinglutely. Fuck that fat liberal lesbian...shes all thats wrong with america.
>>686795982
Lol riiight because bernie is the one that wvery 5 years needs to get a new wife because the imports find out not all american men have micropenis. Riiight
>>686806573
why the fuck would pieces of paper leave the country moron? do you get how international economics works?
He's not gonna get anything done.
Obama couldn't do shit because he faced a Republican Congress. Bush couldn't do shit because he faced a Democrat Congress. Now, Democrats and Republicans don't like him. How can he expect to do anything when nobody is on his side?
>>686811609
lol global warming apocalypse. yeah fucking right.
ITT: generalized reasons why cucks wont vote for trump. Won't give specific reasons and examples to back them up. "Uh uh uh. Trumps racist! Uh uh uh.. hes so bigoted!" Nice ones you fucking faggots
>>686810878
not an argument, enjoy being denied at the Canadian border in November
>>686811134
>the world's poor in every single country have never been less well-off thanks to globalization and free trade
I'm trying to decipher broken English here but it sounds like your proving my point that globalists are ruining western civilization's economy for their short-sighted ideals of everyone needs to improve but with majority help of 1st world countries. This is so parallel to international "gibs me that" commie speak
Yeah don't reply cause you have nothing of value to say
>>686794899
he thinks that climate change is a plot by the chinese to reduce US manufacturing.
>>686812206
I'm seeing some potential short-term disruptions to the fishing industry but no global warming apocalypse.
>>686811609
yeah I'm gonna need some more evidence that this process will somehow make all of our fish go extinct.
>>686794899
Because he can't beat Nixon
>>686796130
You do lnow you fall into that bowl right? Lol moron this fuck is only in it for himself and his pay bracket bros. lol morons look at his policies and his plans. Lmao where in that does it memtion you and your bunch of leeches? Lol faggot racist no back bone fuck. You and you kind of manlets only follow him because he portrays himself as what you been told is a alpha... By a bunch of beta fuck cucks. Lol GG faggot enjoy
>>686812813
Umm, a big ass expensive unnecessary wall that we will have to maintain every year which will cost more than the billions we spent building it? Not to mention that it probably won't even serve a purpose, hopefully won't even be built in the first place.
>>686812866
you're afraid of the free market. you are the lefty.
>>686794899
Trump doesnt like memes
>>686812693
-1 hope for humanity
I live in Australia and wish I could vote for trump.
Also lol at people who bring up climate change. That old UN cash cow that keeps Europe from collapsing. Gtfooh.
>>686813217
NAFTA isn't a free market when the US is getting shafted because of it is it. It benefits other countries way more than ourselves and our presidential administration drafted the damn thing
>>686796538
So you president will attack other people and country's via Twitter. Whoa what a leader , suck manness. Much testosterone.
Lol fucking fags . The whole lot of ya's . A bunch of fucking in denial fags.
>>686813217
>>686813533
regardless there's no reason why we can't abolish it other than it would be bad for other countires :'(
well too bad, America first
>>686796683
Lol you belived that bullshit excuse. Lmao fucking retard
>>686813533
>>686813682
the united states has benefited enormously from NAFTA. you want to use big government to stop me from buying things that mexicans and canadians make because certain american workers can't compete. you are a left-wing authoritarian who wants to harm America for special interest groups.
>>686807317
>being this retarded
>calling other people retards
You do understand that if companies establish across borders to pay less for production of products to be sold in america means that americans have less jobs to buy those things right?
It should become profitable again to establish locally
It should be great again
>>686813289
you gave no real evidence that global warming would cause that on such a scale as to make us all starve as you claimed. your religion is not holding up well against scrutiny I'm sorry. the earth has been much warmer in the past than it is now and life in the oceans didn't end.
>>686813289
>>686811609
>>686808317
>>686808458
https://www.aei.org/publication/18-spectacularly-wrong-apocalyptic-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/
>>686813124
Considering that coral takes hundreds of years to grow and only reproduces once a year, no its pretty fucking long term.
A relatively short term impediment to the fishing industry would be overfishing,
90% of large oceanic predator stocks are explotied
70% of all scombrids(tuna, and mackerel are gone) some species like the southern bluefin as high as 97%.
I could provide you with mountains of science on these subjects but based on our conversation and the fact that you can't even fucking find the research for yourself I am 100% positive you will not be able to digest it
>>686814355
yeah the evidence doesn't exist. Coral bleaching doesn't even kill coral automatically just makes it weaker.
>>686813858
Ah yes that's why the closet country to us is benefiting way more than us.
What the fuck kinda of logic do you have, the US would be better off without NAFTA
>>686814974
>Ah yes that's why the closet country to us is benefiting way more than us.
do you realize that economic growth is not 0 sum? do you know even basic facts like this?
>>686814355
even if all fish we eat went extinct due to slight temperature increases, which you have yet to prove, people would still be able to shift to other sources of food over time.
>>686814974
>Ah yes that's why the closet country to us is benefiting way more than us.
what state do you live in?
>>686814609
You're a fucking idiot. It's a form of hibernation when waters get too hot. It's projected about half of bleached coral will die this year. Fucking retard
>>686814609
it virtually kills the entire reef you retard
You don't understand science even alittle bit, do you anon?
The information is one Google search away. Send money to my paypal and I will continue, I'm not getting paid to do this. This is pure charity but my only hope I have left for you is that you are just pretending to be retarded.
>>686815650
>>686815379
your ratio of insults to evidence is getting dangerously high.
>>686808919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l5aaHaFU68
>>686815650
okay so we lose some coral reefs. what's so bad about this exactly that justifies killing the economy?
>>686815198
>>686815709
Normal people are easily able to understand this.
I know it's not your fault but it's just so fucking frustrating, and sad.
>>686816011
>yall need to get with Jeezus.
Is all I'm hearing. you've pointed out a potential negative effect of global warming. you've not provided evidence as to how bad it will be or how it balances against the many obvious benefits.
>>686815798
Killing the reef does kill the economy, you dolt
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Clive_Wilkinson2/publication/227763228_Wilkinson_C_R_Global_change_and_coral_reefs_Impacts_on_reefs_and_human_cultures_Global_Change_Biology/links/54336d7c0cf22395f29e106c.pdf
>>686816402
did you even read your own source for the global warming apocalypse?
"Climate change will introduce localized variations in weather patterns, but changes to individual reefs cannot be predicted. Reefs on average should cope well with regional climate change."
lol btfo by your own source.
>>686816216
>obvious benifits
Ffs
Here
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=coral+reef+bleaching+climate+change&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi38a7OpIDNAhUC4CYKHU_PAboQgQMIGTAA
One Google search is literally all you needed to do to find this, now shut the fuck up and kill yourself
Why is 4chan discussing politics more articulately then the media
>>686817107
I don't deny that global warming is causing coral bleaching and that is bad for humans. Stop trying to prove to me what I already know. The questions that are truly relevant which you've failed to answer are:
Just how bad for humans is it exactly?
And how does this compare to the costs of any potential "solution"?
When kids who can't even vote yet think they're edgy by saying they'll vote for Donald.
Seriously though, his cabinet would be worse than Bush Jr's. He'd let Monsanto pass all kinds of pork.
>>686817343
Unlike obama that this website basically voted for twice
>>686817157
Much like bathroom stall writings, /b/ is the freest form of expression because it has no benefits or rewards to the anonymous writers and readers. The media can't have an open conversation about politics, it would be chaos.
>>686817316
I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERRY
>>686800025
Cont.
6. He won't win, will lose the House and courts for the Republicans, and MSN is only pretending otherwise for the sake of train-wreck viewers. (See 548)
7. He speaks in innuendo, in rambling sentence fragments, and with the vocabulary of a 7 year old. (See NTTimes Upshot)
8. He has zero public service, national security, or diplomatic experience, yet he has promised to expand his executive power in economics and trade (where his record [see mortgage business, bankrupt casino, in-sourcing, etc.] Is weak.) (See last week tonight)
9. His candidacy has been met with disapprobation by government, governments, and the preponderance of experts in all the civil social fields listed in 8. None--including those he has cited as influential in his politics--have endorsed him. (See his campaign website)
10. His federal entitlement budget is as big as Bernie's and with the addition of his reinstituting of Bush-era tax cuts (said to grow national debt by the bipartisan CBO) the US's biggest expense will be servicing interested on the debt before 2025. See the Congressional Budget Office
For the sources for the first 5 see RAND, Cato, find him when you Google pathological liar and narcissist yourself, look at coverage of his events, and consider the nature of hype-addicted manchildren.
>>686794899
How can you vote for someone in so much denial that he folds 3 combovers on top of eachother...
I am glad that while I (glorious OP.. pretty much famous from this thread) return and find that all of your support Trump so much
that's nice
>MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!! :^)
>>686817316
Terrible and much better
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=economic+impact+of+climate+change&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZxdC6poDNAhUD1iYKHb0uD0kQgQMIGTAA
Again
One
Fucking
Search
I don't want to tell you again
>>686801094
mfw Wikipedia youtube and bloomberg are your sources
>>686801458
>"but they are all basic good tactics that anyone should use"
If you have to incite racial and religious hatred as a tactic, you've failed. Presidents have won their races without doing that, and the same is true for leaders across the world.
To everyone who doesn't support him, it's easy to see how gutless he is.
He's like a box with two sides: If you stand parallel or right of him, he seems like he's strong, steadfast, solid. But if you stand just a bit left of him, you can see he's hollow and flimsy.
I mean, fuck, look at the way he talks about different polling numbers and demographics!
>"I love [demographic]"
He literally says that line, exactly like that, all the time when he polls well with that demographic or when he is trying to appeal to them. He doesn't even try to dress it up or anything.
ELECT TRUMP TO BURN EVERYTHING THEN JOHN MCAFFE NEXT TIME TO REBUILD
>>686818405
"Unfortunately, the economic benefits of policies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions remain unclear."
btfo by your own source again, this is getting embarrassing.
>>686818839
Did you seriously just cherry pick through all of that?
>>686818304
>OP is a homeschool retard
Has tiny hands and fingers
He isn't worth 10billions like he says
He believes the Jews did 9/11
He believes that global warming is a scam created by china.
He believes Obama was born in Kenya
He is not a successful business man
Has many fail business and lawsuits because he is a scam artist
He wants to fuck his daughter
He acts like a wining little boy
He doesn't want to release his taxes, because they will show he doesn't pay any
He has no grasp on reality
He usually re-twits white supremacist material
>Everything he says is just an act and falsehood only a FOOL would take anything he says seriously or as a fact
He's a fucking troll
But honestly if you need someone to give you a reason. You're going to vote for him anyway he is the troll president that b wants and approves.
>>686795276
>no defense for his god emperor trump
>immediately attacks Bernie
typical cuck pattern
>>686795787
>kid
why arent you dead yet gramps
>>686819086
Shut up I'm reading. I'm seeing lots of uncertainty, some entirely reasonable predictions of moderate harm, no attempted assessment of potential benefits, and most of all, no apocalypse as your warmist religion predicted. that quotation was to get you to actually maybe..I dunno... read your own sources.
