So when are we all going to have solar freakin roadways?
This is just the best idea ever. No greenhouse gases, and FREE ELECTRICITY.
>>685138377
wasnt maintenance of those things stupidly expensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzzz5DdzyWY
>>685138377
>thinking anything in this world is free
Underage b&
>>685138906
This, and also they're inefficient as fuck.
>>685139222
Sheckleburg with the trips is why this won't happen. Too many lost sheckles.
>>685138377
>FREE ELECTRICITY
kill yourself
I remember when this was super popular on fb, and my friends all get really pissed at me for telling them it wasn't really feasible.
>>685139051
Not sure about the solar roadways idea, but a road with similar lights that are bright enough to be seen in the day would be brilliant.
>>685138377
Great, so traffic jams will now cause blackouts.
>>685139919
Yeah, and time travel would be brilliant as well but it ain't gonna happen.
>>685138377
But if car goes over road then sun cant make road do power
>>685138377
giant keyboards on the roads
>wat
>new hands free device "DRIVETEXT"
>be driving
>VRRRRRRROOM
>faiwubfgnlrwghznsoifgna;owefao;wefewijlksmfladkflsadkjf
>>685140061
It could probably be done, but the cost:gain ratio is whack.
>>685140143
Ha.. Hahaha
>>685140046
I don't think that's how it works. Or else there would be no electricity during dusk hours
>>685138377
Solar roadways are dumb. Cover buildings, cover parking lots. Solar is good, but this is a bad application.
>>685140321
But what if it is all dusk hours then what?
>>685138377
If you're gonna use solar panels, why not just put them a clear area? Why on a roadway where cars will be blocking the sun and where damage will occur often?
>>685138377
When the fossil fuels run out.
>>685140321
Actually panels all by themselves work in exactly that way. Generally batteries would be used to store excess power during daylight hours.
>>685140351
Might be useful as a last resort.
But you can always elevate the solar panels above the road for more efficiency and less maintenance, so I basically can't think of a way that solar roadways would ever be a wise choice.
because like everything good they'll be ruined by niggers
>>685138377
Wouldn't this be a terribly slick surface to drive on during rain and/or snow?
>>685140503
This
>>685138377
holy shit you even phrased it exactly like thunderf00t get your shitty bait outta here
>>685140564
Stealing dat copper out dem panels fo crack money
>>685140529
no they don't. they put out power for up to 24 hours after they last had light hit them.
>>685140046
That is not how solar panels work.
>>685138377
some sort of device that could harvest the vibrations/pressure of cars driving over them would be better.
>>685140066
the road doesn't power the cars
you can still drive on normal roads faggot
>>685138377
There is no such thing as free electricity. It all comes from the Sun. As long as only a small part of our electricity comes from solar power it's fine, but if you want to feed the entire Earth from the Sun you will just exhaust it. Maybe not in our lifetime, but what are our children going to do once the Sun is used up?
>>685140765
Make a kickstarter and a youtube video with a prototype, then get a free million bucks.
>>685140724
Wrong. They cannot produce electricity during darkness. Storage cells are used for this you moron. Go look it up.
>>685140848
Fucken lol.
Top ruse.
>>685140848
kek
>>685140529
What I mean though is that energy is stored so it can be used at times that the sun isn't out.
>>685140378
Are you retarded?
>>685138377
it's fucking retarded
on roofs they have an angled position which increases efficiancy a lot and they'll be constantly broken when used as roadways.
>>685138377
>expensive to make
>expensive to maintain
>expensive to install
>offers low traction
>low durability
>expensive to remove pre-existing road surfaces
>a significant portion of a roads surface is coated by cars in the day time (this is particularly true for parking lots)
>with that many panels on the roads it would be difficult to prevent theft
Anyways, it's better to put solar panels on top of buildings or put them on top of roofed parking lots.
>>685140810
But if roads are normal then where are the panels? Bet u didnt think of that lol
Cause if roads are solar then no power but no solar then no power
You dig?
>>685140562
People don't want to drive through tunnels all the time. The idea is to keep the space open and basically the same as it is now, except with solar panels too.
>>685141002
>on the top of buildings.
Sure, then pilots get blinded by the reflections, and then this happens (pic related).
>>685140606
That and how do you clean the roads of ice?
>>685140963
You are the retard cause what if its always dusk hours when there is a dust storm? Then solar isnt work
>>685141056
I was thinking more along the lines of elevating them on poles in the middle or next to the road, and at an angle.
>>685141141
forgot pic
>>685140997
That's why you put a lot of cement over them to protect it from the cars
>>685140848
you fucking retard we get a new sun every day
>>685141175
That's a difficult problem to solve.
>>685141141
it's fucking nothing
>>685141019
the kickstarter only wants to pave the highways and big roads with solar panels fucktard
did you seriously think they wanted to put panels on every goddamn road?
also can't tell if bait
>>685139816
Same. And it's not that I'm not a fan of alternative energy.... it's just.... it's a stupid fucking idea.
>>685141178
>>685141175
That was caused by Muslims, not solar panels.
>>685141447
SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCKING ARTIST
roads dont get enough elec if all roads are pave so you need all solar or it is not work
>>685139222
thats true, even the best of the best solar panels are less that 50% efficient. Your average solar panels are only about 20% efficient.
Meanwhile, in South Korea...
>>685141165
We obviously are not talking about Durkadurkastan you asshole.
Dust storms are not that big of an issue.
Not even in the Midwest.
>>685141270
This
>>685141685
>ARTIST
>>685141698
meanwhile in south korea they put solar panels NEXT TO the roads
no shit faggot?
Or we can just install normal solar panels for 1/10 the initial price and maintenance?
Guess what solar panels are made of geniuses? It's called silicone. Our roads would take tens of years, if not thousands of hundreds of years to cover in solar panels. Meanwhile we have no silicone for our computers and cell phones. Goddamn retards.
>>685140848
hahaha nice kek
>>685141722
Well there is also over cast and rainy days to contend with as well. Solar panels are not that efficient to begin with in full direct sun light. Then you add in cars that will block them, angle of the sun and over cast which would cause them to be nearly useless.
Summertime fags got it goin on, shake and wiggle to a hip hop song. Summertime fags are the kind i like, il save your pepe like i stole yo bike
>>685142013
Guess what silicone is? Sand....... literally every fucking beach......
>>685142261
It's actually made from breast implants.
>>685142261
>silicone
You mean silicon.
>>685142261
A silly cone?
>>685138377
dumbest fucking idea ever
>>685141690
but does that even matter, i mean if they work
what about traffic though? i mean if all these cars are covering the panels wouldnt that be a problem?
>>685138377
Because those things are plain retarded, I mean, making solar panels so durable that they can carry trucks... why not just make normal ones and put them on the roofs? Can't believe this shit got this far...
>>685142013
>>685142261
Silicon is a naturally occurring chemical element, whereas silicone is a synthetic substance.
Silicon is the 14th element on the periodic table.
>>685142536
I thought they were to power the cars driving to be clear not to just generate power
It amazes me that people still try (in vain) to make solar panels effective and cost efficient when a single modern thorium reactor will produce more energy than panels ever will at a fraction of the cost (over the lifetime of the reactor) with a much smaller environmental impact.
>>685142488
See >>685142803
>>685142413
You too, see >>685142803
>>685142680
Holy shit thank you.
This.
How much light is gonna reach those fucking things during rush hour or congestion?
Jack shit. They are going to be so ridiculously inefficient. Just put them on top of houses or in fields with reflector towers to increase effectiveness like they're already doing.
I can already see this being a colossal failure as they see just how pathetic the power being collected from them is.
Not to mention the further loss of efficiency from being fucking filthy ALL THE TIME
>>685142907
>You too, see >>685142803
I know chem.
>>685142347
Yes, breast implants are made from Silicone, while semi-conductors are made from Silicon.
>>685140997
Angle makes no difference in annual efficiency
>RIP fagit
>>685142803
In a way, silicon and silicone are both synthetic. Pure silicon is very rare in nature. It usually has to be separated from silicon compounds, such as silicon dioxide.
>>685142137
Even on really overcast and rainy days, about 90% of average light intensity makes it to the surface
The amount of time cars on a highway spend travelling over a photocell is negligible compared to the amount of time that cars are not travelling over it
But you're all fags, why waste our time debating something that has so many potential problems when there's a much easier solution?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcMpyMsX2q8
I encourage you all to run the numbers yourselves, they hold up. Sure, there will be a fair share of problems and difficulties but to me, this seems like one of the most straightforward and viable energy solutions out there
>>685143131
Yes it does. Solar panels are more efficient with direct sun light. If the panel is angled to have more direct sunlight through out the day then it will produce more power than a panel that is not. As well a panel that tracks the sun and changes its angle will produce more power than both.
free, the solar panels costs fortune atm
>>685143131
>Angle makes no difference in annual efficiency
The amount of light that hits the surface is directly related to the dot product of the normal to the surface and the direction of incoming light. The closer to perpendicular the arrangement, the more energy is collected.
tl;dr angle is important
>>685142853
>fukushima
>>685143610
It will still effect the efficiency o the panels. Even if it is a very small effect it is still a considerable concern when the panels have such a low efficiency to begin with. In the end any power that is produced will not cover the cost of maintenance and repair.
>>685140701
lol
>>685138377
Never, it was a terrible idea. Pretty cure it was a scam.
Cars drive on roads. Panels would be covered in rubber, oil and dirt, and FUCKING CARS.
>>685143675
A panel that is able to change its angle is definitely more efficient. But take an angle perpendicular to the Earth's surface: It will receive more sunlight at noon that a panel angled at 45 degrees to the East. The panel angled 45 degrees to the East will receive more sunlight than the flat panel in the morning, but less at noon and less until the next morning. Is all of this making sense to you? Difficult to explain in words only.
>>685138377
Wouldn't it be better for the environment if roads were paved with recycled plastics and stones instead of asphalt from crude oil and stones?
For generating power on roads I think wind turbines between the lanes of a highway with the blades spinning horizontally would do awesome with all the traffic-winds.
>>685144199
parallel* not perpendicular, mah bad
>>685144082
Plus the thickness of the glass to make them durable enough for road ways would cause a diffusion of the light making them even less efficient.
How about just needing less energy overall?
>>685138377
Australia cracked super critical steam with solar 2 years ago. This would mean as much power as a power plant from solar.
After the announcement their funding was cut. No one knows about this, but everyone knows about the autistic solar road idea.
Talk about misdirection red herring.
>>685140724
Yeah they use batteries on the back of the panel
>>685144199
Yes. You explained it much better than I did. that was what I was getting at but not good at explaining it here in simple words.
>putting solar panels on a parking lot with cars parking over instead of on the roof or in a empty field
Sign me up!
The government shouldn't stick it's nose in the power industry
>Nobody has linked to the EEVBlog videos on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOZBrHqTJk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbKYNcmFUw
>>685143914
I have an easy solution to that. Don't build reactors in areas that are prone to earthquakes and tsunamis.
It's almost as if you people don't even think before blurting out the dumbest thing on your minds.
>>685144252
Many roads do use recycled materials. The tar is sometimes made from recycled tires. As for the wind mill idea, you have me intrigued as to how well this would work. Could the winds produced by the vehicles produce enough energy to off set the maintenance and production cost? Would love t see some tests and numbers on this.
We should build roads out of recycled wind turbines and solar panels, that way we can avoid pollution even during the construction part.
>>685145150
>Could the winds produced by the vehicles produce enough energy to off set the maintenance and production cost?
The short answer is no.
>>685144252
Or how about paving the roads with wind turbines?
>>685139055
OH HAIL OH HAIL OH INFANTRY
>>685145495
I am skeptical but would love to see the numbers still.
Not to mention large scale power providers have deep deep pockets and they have their fingers in every government pot there is. Big oil, big coal, they will never step aside and stop gouging the world for more money. Greed will always win out.
>>685138377
fuck yes. please.
>>685138377
>FREE ELECTRICITY
no
Plus putting them on the road is the stupidest thing ever. Cars roll on it. Snow covers it. It gets dusty, dirty, and it reduces their yield. That's litteraly as stupid as saying "Let's put wind turbines underground."
They aren't cheap or easy to produce. You have to invest a lot of energy upfront to create a solar panel that doesn't last forever.
So what are solar panel good for? They are useful in extremly sunny area where it's difficult to transport energy to houses.
Best solution for energy crisis is nuclear fusion.
>>685145495
You have some insight on this? I don't get why wind power isn't profitable, why is it so costly and full of fail? Isn't a wind power generator pretty much like a car alternator (in principle and manufacture)? Why do they seem so shit though, there are a lot around where I live and they seem to be broken down more often than running? Can't engineers come up with better designs, or what is the problem?
>>685144252
>paving roads with molten plastics
>mfw
Just breath that cancer in. Topkek.
For real tho, asphalt is one of the most recycled building materials period. When the top layer is milled, it is sent to be reground and mixed with additional additives to be laid. Some millers are able in one long machine mill, process, lay, and press asphalt without new asphalt. Construction technology is amazing. Cost per yard is very important.
Laying electronics on a road to receive solar energy is a meme. The better solution is placing the panels in a solar farm alongside the road. It's as simple as that.
>>685146090
This.
Thread over.
Efficient, cost effective solar energy is just a pipe dream, same goes for wind
>>685146294
The reason they aren't turning is because the generation method used is like a motor and not like a magnetic alternator to reduce equipment cost. The wind turbines need to generate net positive power in order for power to flow sufficiently. That's why they aren't turning.
>>685146090
>nuclear fusion
Yeah, and we could also go back in time and bring back some oil to the future, right?
Scifi bullshit won't really help us.
>>685141698
I always wondered why this wasn't more popular. We spend a good amount of money paying to maintain the area between highways. Like this you wouldn't have to mow, worry about trees falling, etc. And it gets good sun
>>685146617
you're wrong though.... its as simple as that
>>685147465
>nuclear fusion
>scifi bullshit
You are aware that nuclear fusion already exist right?
>>685141141
There no reflection on solar panel you fucking faggot
>>685147985
It's a common mistake, anon, but only nuclear FISSION actually exists, which is the burning of radioactive material like plutonium in nuclear reactors.
>>685143610
And how much would that cost?
Also, that's a shit ton of land and would require the infrastructure of our grid to be completely redone. You can just get all your power from one end of the country. It doesn't work that way.
However. I am for more renewable energy. But I think the idea of converting a desert the size of Massachusetts to a solar city is dumb
>>685148277
Fusion will exist around 2040 according to Sim City 2000.
>>685140848
Kek
>but what are our children going to do once the Sun is used up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4LIO_xs1es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZpjH71320
Has anyone thought of the environmental impact of the batteries from solar?
>>685143874
Angle is changing at constant rate throughtout the day
>>685144199
please see this for more details
>>685148277
Have you not seen that big bright thing in the sky that uses nuclear fusion
Deep water wind farms, solar panel fields, and pebble-bed fission reactors are the cleanest and safest power generation methods.
Pebble-bed fission reactors are truly remarkable because even if the fuel escapes containment there is a absolute zero percent chance of accidental reactant escape (unless the fuel units are intentionally breached) even if the fuel is outside containment and begins to melt down. Another positive is you can run the reactor while changing out fuel. The major downside is initial cost is 100 mill+.
>>685140222
Backwards time travel is most likely impossible
>>685148947
Maybe he was trying to say that only fission is viable atm
Hopefully fusion breaks even sooner rather than later
>>685148277
No nigger. Nuclear fusion was sustained. Problem is cooling, gaining net positive output, sustaining the reaction, and lowering cost.
Nuclear fusion is impossible.
Nuclear fission is the splitting of atoms and it's exothermic, that is it generates heat. Its inverse is nuclear fission, which joins atoms, so logically this is an endothermic reaction.
You can't generate power with it, but you could combat global warming with it, since if it's an endothermic reaction then open air nuclear fission plants could cool down the air.
>>685148086
This guy is a potato.
>>685140848
Best troll in the thread
>>685138377
>FREE ELECTRICITY
Last I checked, It's not free to build, install and maintain those panels, or guess what? Everyone would be doing it.
Also, those don't generate much electricity.
>>685149374
>Nuclear fusion is impossible
What are you talking about dude? That's just a flat out lie. Nuclear fusion happens constantly, and you had better fucking believe it generates a shit ton of energy. It's called a star. Our Sun, for example.
>>685143914
Except Fukushima wasn't powered by thorium. It's impossible for a thorium reactor to accidentally meltdown, because you have to actively try to keep the reaction going.
>>685148277
This >>685149245
Also we achieved nuclear fusion with the hydrogen bomb. The way it works is a fission nuke around or next to a tritium/deuterium(hydrogen isotopes). The first stage fission nuke releases radical rays and heat and pressure to fuse the hydrogen in some way to gain a boost of the second stage fusion. (Im not a nuckear physicist and im not 100% on the end part).
>>685147465
Nuclear fusion isn't safe because humans are too stupid. Nuclear fission produces a shit ton more power and from what I understand produced zero waste. Bill gates agrees fission is probably the only way to maintain our shit tier power grid at this point
>>685149374
Nuclear fission is an exothermic reaction, nigger.
Just shut up and go study this shit, dude, You are either failing at trolling or you think you know way more than you do.
>>685138377
what happens when i drive over them? dont they break and shit famalam?
>>685138377
Maximum bait
>>685149374
WRONG.
nuclear fusionis anuclear reactionin which two or moreatomic nucleicome very close and then collide at a very high speed and join to form a new nucleus. The mass of this new nucleus is slightly less than the sum of its constituents, by an amount known as the "binding energy". This is because the compound nucleus is a lower-energy system (a "more favourable" system energetically) than the two parent nuclei. The binding energy is released asphotons(energy). This is the energy that is given off by a fusion process. Fusion is the process that powers active or "main sequence"stars
The only instance of nuclear fusion occurring is in the heart of stars.
TBH solar energy can be efficient if invested in properly. In fact, we could power the entire planet on solar energy alone with current technology if we invested in such a massive project, but we won't. It's like helium 3, there's plenty of that on the moon and it is a viable energy source but the cost to harvest it isn't worth it.
This is why i hate the current model of our monetary system. We have the people, resources and time to do these things but we don't have the money.
>inb4 efficiency blah blah blah
I won't have someone talk about the efficiency of clean energy without talking about the efficiency of fossil fuels.
>>685149789
Not for a pebble reactor. >>685148953
There are still plenty of new ways for us to find methods for us to generate power. The hadron collider is solidifying our knowledge in quantum physics and shit so we can probably find new methods of power from something like this.
>>685149852
This is why we do not have usable fusion power production. The amount of energy needed to initialize the the fusion reaction negates the energy output. The tech, science and research is getting better so I think with in the next 50 years we will see efficient fusion power production. This is still a guess though as i am not a physicist.
>>685150157
READ NIGGER.
>>685150109
>>685149852
>>685149941
>Nuclear fission produces a shit ton more power and from what I understand produced zero waste
Bullshit.
>Quoting bill gates.
Learn2science
>>685150157
Yeah and helium 3 is still dangerous as fuck. If a helium 3 car exploded it'll blow up an entire block, maybe if you made them fool proof it could work. Which a group of engineers from around the world could do in a month. But they are all just making blueprints for new boxes for our shitty Chinese products.
>>685150374
Oh sorry for quoting a Tedtalk you fuckface nigger
the problem has never been a lack of energy. The world we live in is blessed with huge resources, and energetic processes to exploit, not even counting our sun.
The problem is how we use it. Humans, as advanced as we claim to be, have no real order or plan. We have a lot of waste and frankly, nobody really cares as long as they maintain their lifestyle, and that's why there's not a major overhaul.
>>685140765
Go on indiegogo. Invest some bucks in a professional looking promo and make a million dollars. Fucktards throw money at everything that looks cool even if it's practically impossible
>>685150356
I didn't know that about the hydrogen bomb. Thanks man.
>>685150523
I ain't a nigger and bill gates ain't a nuclear physicist. Also quoting t.v is a no go.
How would those things hold up in climates with both hot summers and cold winters with snow?
Or in countries that have collapsing bridges and roads that needed to be replaced decades ago?
>>685150447
Fallout cars lol
>>685150327
ARE YOU DAFT?
We can achieve nuclear fusion. The next hard part isn't introducing hydrogen isotopes into the reaction the hard part is cooling and energy rebalance. There is theoretically a new design to use a fission reactor to hit the isotopes with a powerful neutron beam. COOLING IS THE ONLY MAJOR ISSUE WE FACE.
>>685141141
you know the function of solar panels is exactly the opposite of reflecting light right?
>>685150447
He-3 is not an issue when microwave and neutron beam technology are combined to kick start tritium fusion with straight hydrogen.
>>685151018
Like I said I am not a physicist. I did not know that. from what I have read the major problem was the power input for the reaction and control of the reaction is greater than the output at this time. I guess the control part would also be the control of the heat exchange. If you have any info on this I would love to see it but I see know reason to be insulting due to a miscommunication.
>>685151018
Cooling is kind of an understatement with the kinds of forces we're talking about, tbh. To contain the reaction would take a monumental feat of engineering. A huge investment in machinery, manpower, and material resources, and all for an experimental technology dealing with forces well beyond the understanding of most people.
I think the most efficient thing to do is to collect the energy from the gargantuan fusion reactor we orbit around.
>>685151424
This.
The only excuse we have for our use of fossil fuel is stupidity.
>>685138377
If we'd be using Tesla's model we'd already have free electricity, but that's not how capitalism works.
>>685151018
how about instead of putting fucking water like they do on nuclear power plant they put ice? I'm sure they don't do it because then they should close the already working power plants.
Fucking greedy jews
>>685151255
The surface coating on them causes reflection. This is not a major problem unless you are at the right angle for it.
They have some merit for low traffic areas like parking lots and residential streets, but on main roads it's absolutely retarded
>>685151755
that's not how physics work either you deluded commie
>>685151364
Ok then we should do that.
>>685150447
What the fuck are you talking about ? He is stable.
>>685141141
>Pilots blinded by reflections
You do understand that's physically impossible unless you're flying some old ass plane.
Learn2pilots
>>685151852
your kidding right?
>>685140701
Only to realize that they're using nickel conductors
>>685152121
It DOES have a wicked expansion rate. You'd have to start the reaction first though.
>>685152151
No I'm sure ice would actually do the trick if those fuckers actually tried it.
But nooooo, we have to put up with our shitty powerplants until they all go fukushima. Then MAYBE we'd see a fusion powerplant.
>>685139051
/thread
>>685139222
Who gives a fuck how efficient they are bitch. It's fucking free electricity.
If I gave you a machine and said for each pound of dirt you put into this machine you will get 1 ounce of gold would you fucking bitch and say you don't want the machine?
Shut the fuck up faggot
>>685139749
But it is free electricity....
>>685152241
Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't think a noble gas would be capable of such a feat, even if it's a isotope.
(you sure you're not talking about hydrogen by the way)
>>685144931
Still need to be near a large viable water source.
>>685152121
No no I was talking about hydrogen fuel cells. Like the ones toyato are putting on the road later this year... I just read online and yeah I was totally wrong about that to. Hydrogen fuel cells are extremely safe and efficient. More so than bullshit electric cars
>>685152478
I don't think you understand want free means.
Also quit the hyperbole.
There's no way a machine capable of nuclear fusion compares to solar energy.
>>685152478
Think about the electricity needed to create those things from scratch. Think also of the coal plants we're going to use as relay in case of a cloudy day.
Did you even know that close to every solar plant built there was a coal plant to bear in case of lack of lighting ?
>>685152328
okay so say you put ice inside right. well when the ice gets hot, it melts, and water drips down, now all of a suden you loose contact with the cooling rods and the ice, and then you have rods over heating due to loss on contact
>>685152478
realistically, its a couple micrograms of gold for a pound of dirt.
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>>685152767
Well yep, hydrogen cells are safe.
I hardly think we'll see wheeled hindenburgs on the road lol.
>>685152928
Are you a retard ?
When LIQUID water gets hot in a fission power plant, what do you do ? PUT MORE WATER.
Well ICE water gets hot in a fusion power plant, what should you do ? PUT MORE ICE.
>>685153016
car crashes, hydrogen is a gas it floats away essentually. gasoline pools on the ground. lets also not forget that fuel is explosive to but no one seams to care about that. both have risks
>>685152833
Why not build something else then?
>>685152721
>there are no sources of water that aren't in areas prone to earthquakes and tsunamis.
>>685151744
>>685151424
If you're thinking I'm against solar you're dead wrong. The problem is solar can't defeat the punch of energy that natural gas and petroleum can deliver. If only energy transmission were magical we could put solar panels or lenses in orbit around the sun and beam ass tons of giga-Joules to earth.
The funny thing is at the NIF already achieved 50% fusion fuel efficiency releasing a neutron yield of nearly 3x1015, or approximately 8,000 joules of neutron energy. As you said it requires manpower and time but fusion is the golden ticket to harnessing unlimited energy UTTERLY destroying the need for natural burn power plants.
>>685153151
because your gonna beable to fill in ice in the small space perfectly to get 100% contact with the cooling rods? ice doesnt flow, you would have to turn off the reactor, fill it up with water freeze it, then turn it back on for a little before having to turn it off again
>>685153006
You gotta understand that it's really hard switching from a technology to a whole new alternative, especially in terms of safety and especially in that domain. We'll probably see thorium power plants in our lifetime, but probably on the end part of it.
>>685138377
those look way too slippery to be road
>>685153151
You're the retard anon.
If you're so confident in this present it to a company.
>>685153289
Bullshit. PV panels are the way to go, and it wouldn't take many to power the entire world.
Big Oil doesn't like the idea. And they own our politicians.
>>685153220
Just use a pebble bed reactor. Leakage problem solved. Only problem is the high initial cost.
>>685153187
I wasn't being ironic.
I meant that you wouldn't see engineers putting people on ticking bombs just like that, there has been a lot of studies on safety about that.
I'm an EE I did an internship with that as a main subject, i should know.
>>685153289
>First guy
I don't think you're against solar energy at all.
>>685153345
i understand anon more so ever if we keep in mind that even nuclear power was only a byproduct of the atomic bomb/war
>>685153397
I told you, corporate jews wouldn't accept it because they want their fission power plants.
>>685153338
OR you put ice with the right shape. OR you put a LOT of ice (like 80%) and you put water to get to the corners. Still better than putting water only.
>>685150374
>>685149941
Nuclear fission produces less risky wastes than other systems that produce energy.
Also Bill Gates is the only one who doesn't seem to have lost his mind when it comes to energy. Fuck these renewable energy extremists who are trending amongs fucktards despite having no idea what they are talking about.
>>685149374
>everything you just said
Go open a book on thermodynamics.
>>685153006
What about it?
>>685141698
To be fair, it's a hell of a lot easier for a country like South Korea that doesn't have a lot of land and their people so densely packed together. I mean, it's also a lot easier to justify rolling out country-wide wifi networks when you're that small.
>>685152984
That would vary on the amount of gold in the matrix. Could be more could be less but that is why the matrix is assayed to see how much gold could be obtained.
>>685153289
>harnessing unlimited energy
I'm guessing you've never read the Last Question, to say something like that.
>>685153520
>They already do.
There are countless engineers who have approved countless shit that isn't safe.
Hell, my brother was taken to court for snitching on his boat which was dumping oil in the sea during his watch. No-one else reported that shit.
>>685153425
Solar is great for small scale, localized generation. Most of the large scale solar operations are beginning to already be phased out due to decay of their photovoltaic cells and the high cost of maintenance.
What is important to remember is that there are 5 or 6 (I think) grids in the US. Take PJM, for example. They cover most of the eastern Midwest, northeast, and east coast. Every power plant is tied to that grid. Even losing one unit unexpectedly can cause major problems. That's why the idea of a quick fix or fast replacement isn't feasible. Coal, natural gas, and nuclear are necessary to maintain the grid itself.
>>685141141
Not quite scary, since nothing seems to happen
>>685153823
Same goes for Germany and France. France is totally nuclear at this point, Germany is a majority solar. I feel like China would gain a lot from this because their pollution will honestly start to hurt their economy soon.
>>685153151
>ICE IS THE ONLY THING COLDER THAN WATER
>>685138377
they are awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNMFKKyFU60
>>685153425
WHAT? ARE YOU LITERALLY THIS RETARDED? SOLAR PANELS ONLY GET A MINUTE OF A FRACTION OF THE SUN'S RELEASED ENERGY. THE MATERIALS FOR SOLAR AND FROM YIELD HAVE A STEEP INITIAL INVESTMENT AND TAKE A LONG TIME TO RECOUP COST.
DID YOU READ WHAT YOU REPLIED TO FAGGOT? READ IT AGAIN.
I'M TALKING ABOUT HARNESSING THE POWER OF STARS. SOLAR POWER IS A TINY STRAW COMPARED TO THE MONUMENTAL POWER IM TALKING ABOUT.
Solar panels are expensive and fragile and don't even come close to the powers of a fusion reactor.
Read my post again and kill yourself.
>>685154061
Haha yeah they forget about saltwater which has a slightly lower freezing point.
>>685153628
and don't forget also how this is a nationwide issue. Nations are the one commissioning those, with the whole bureaucracy problems, lobbying ("our plants are good enough as they are", "what if those things go haywire we never tested them"), and public opinion ("i'm not buying a thorium power plant, if that shit fails i'll never get reelected").
What do you want, Anon, humanity has always been afraid of progress. But even now, I'm not sure all the research has been done on Thorium yet.
>>685153765
>less risky wastes
depends on how you define risky
is absolutely deadly for 50000 years better than the diffuse health effects of fossils?
modern fission should be preferrable over fossil, i agree, but that is only one opinion
>>685153520
I've run into scenarios where EE's have made some major mistakes.
>>685153765
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't make bullshit claims about what something can do or what it doesn't do.
You do.
There's tons of waste produced by fission reactors and while it is far superior in terms of energy production v waste production than any fossil fuel it's untrue for most green energy alternatives. The only thing it wastes less of is money.
>>685149374
>what is the sun?
>>685154038
A lot of their city pollution is caused by industrial zones, not just coal factories. They'd need to do a lot more than just lay down some solar panels to begin solving their pollution issues.
And speaking of China, that's what I was saying. It's not really practical for a country like China to make such a change easily. China is densely populated, but it's still massive.
>>685154183
Yeah but building a faraday cage around the sun is way out of our league dude. Like immensely so, that's like 2 orbits away from us and require vast resources that we don't have on earth. We would need 100's if not thousands of mineral rich asteroids to even think about doing such a feat.
>>685142261
The sand at the beach needs to be refined to remove the oxygen and other impurities. Beach sand is SiO2+SiO+ oxides of magnesium, calcium, iron, cobalt, and many other metals. Some boron is also present.
>>685153846
HAY FAGGOT WE CAN'T CONTROL THE REACTION OF STARS. SOLAR PANELS WILL NEVER COMPARE TO ACTUALLY MAKING AND CONTROLLING A MINI STAR.
STICK YOU PANELS INSIDE MY FUSION REACTOR BITCH.
>>685154183
Our sun releases millions of times more energy in a second than our entire planet consumes in a year.
So that comparison is bullshit.
>>685153762
okay few things here. who can cut ice perfectly at such detail? no one. it would melt. you would be using energy to freeze water which would be counter productive when trying to create it, and lets not forget the best part here, there is still more surface area with water ergo better heat transfer. ice is a stupid idea. liquid nitrogen would even better if you just wanted cold. water doesnt cost energy to get into a usable state like liquid nitrogen or water.
>>685154196
You can dissolve salt in water and the temperature will drop. Dissolving kitchen salt in water is endothermic.
Also other liquids have much lower freezing points. I think ethanol's is about -114 C of the top of my head
>>685154430
EXACTLY. My point is we need to continue investment in fusion. NOT FUCKING STOP DEVELOPMENT AND BEGIN COVERING FUCKING ROADS IN EXPENSIVE ASS SOLAR PANELS.
>>685154430
We would have excess energy if we achieved something like that.
Hell we'd have to hollow out planets just to achieve a feat like that.
>>685140765
/I thought they already tried, or at least looked into this. Piezoelectric roads were just as unfeasible as the solar roads.
>>685140503
/thread
>>685138377
Never. The cost is too high and they are not nearly durable enough as of now. By the time they would be i think we won't be using roads anymore. Maybe local runways.
>>685154398
I hear they have already built massive air filter skyscrapers over there. Pic related, they are talking about building these the size of skyscrapers. This filters 1 million cubic feet of air every hour.
>>685138377
lol, good luck waiting for that to ever happen, seriously, are you aware of how much of our planet is covered in asphalt?
I could maybe see this used outside some companies HQ as a gimmick or something but thats about it
>>685154398
fuck China. they openly say that the west has had its time in the sun and now it's their turn to exploit mother earth.
the only thing they're interested in is being the only power who uses the remaining fuel on earth.
>Reading this thread
Kids these days are really stupid and ignorant
>>685154245
And who wrote about hydrogen fuels being safe, I wonder.
>>685154637
duh, i said to put ice, and then pour water so the ice cold water gets through and fills it completely. are you stupid ?
>>685154430
>100's if not thousands
more like hundreds of thousands.
>>685138377
not doable, at least not with the technology we have today in 2016.
most likely the answer is never, we will never have solar roadways
>>685138377
never because the idea is retarded. it would cost 10s of trillions of dollars to make and install them. they wouldnt make any power during dusk til dawn, they wouldn't be efficient at all, wouldn't produce any power on busy roads, would require constant maintenance, wouldn't work as roads and would be ridiculously inefficient.
>>685155160
We could if we had flying cars tho
>>685154637
what the FUCK are you faggots even arguing about?
>>685155287
Then we would not have road ways
>>685155133
so your gonna freeze water to make ice right while trying to use that samwe ice to cool reactor rods? thats cunter intuitive. and at that point you would be wasting energy. and why have to keep paying people, to keep making more and more ice, when water is a passive cooling system, it doesnt need supervision
>>685155133
>saying duh
Yeah gtfo, starting to smell hell of a lot like summer.
Fuck electricity. Fuck guns fuck bombs fuck the Internet. Let's just go back to fighting with swords
>>685140562
it would be better to have the panel beside the road or above the road, than to actually drive on them.
the most retarded thing about this is that their idea have to combine the tech into the roads, where the fuck is the benefit?
I can see a lot of issues with doing it their way, no benefits what so ever.
I mean, why not just not remove the current road and leave the panels beside the road, not getting exposed to extreme conditions like being driven on and never have cars blocking panels etc
>>685155316
thinking using ice to cool nuclear reactor rods would work better then water. it wouldn't, ice is a horrible idea.
>>685155453
Better yet we should go back to being hunter gatherers using rocks and sticks.
>>685155133
Why not just reduce the temperature of the water till it is "ice-cold"(impossible without it turning into ice) instead of buying loads of ice to keep your water cold.
Do you use ice to refrigerate? No it isn't the 1830's anymore. We use CFC and other chemicals.
Learn2science
>>685140351
How the fuck is it a bad idea? Putting panels on something like a thruway couldn't be any fucking smarter. Think of the accessibility. The thruway departments already have that shit covered with emergency response out the ass, location markers ALREADY all in place every 1/4 mile, and there's a lot of room.
It couldn't be a better idea. Encase those fuckers in fiberglass on the sides and it would be sick. Of course there will be the nay sayers and super smart guys that think hmmm this isn't a good application. There's not a better one atm so yeah, this is the best. Also, the government's already are used to taking care of roadways. Logistically, economically, socially, on roadways would be the best application for solar panels. Period.
Start fucking taxing me with a new solar tax right now and get this shit done state govts
>>685155535
you can't be serious. stop trolling, all of you.
>>685141141
So pilots get blinded by buildings, waterways and the sun directly.... fucking hell son, should we just go back to the fucking stone age? Haven't these fucks heard of sunglasses?
>>685155137
>hundreds of thousands
More like hundreds of billions.
>>685141178
Top fucking kek
>>685138377
My dad works at Yamaha motors and they're installing solar panels.
Apparently Edison is only letting them get 40% solar energy from the panels... they still have to pay for 60%.
Dont expect energy to be free any time soon.
>>685154527
ARE YOU DAFT???? JUST BECAUSE THE SUN RELEASES IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY CAPTURE IT'S ENERGY AND WE CAN'T EVEN WITH SOLAR PANELS. The better solution is bringing the star to us instead of waisting time on coating the earth with inefficient panels. The reason non renewables are so widely used is because chemically it packs a greater punch then photons hitting an semiconductive electrode. Do you know how fragile and expensive decent panels are? Do you agree that directly harnessing nuclear fusion with 50% ignition emitting a neutron yield of nearly 3x1015, or approximately 8,000 joules of neutron energy per test sample is more powerful then 100² km of solar panels?
Solar is fine but it is not the solution. There is loss in every system especially solar.
>>685141685
>ARTIST
What back water redneck town do you come from?
>>685141685
>Artist
>>685155656
why not go further and to when we just clawed at things and bit everything
>>685155688
This is what's wrong with the world.
>>685155688
>The thruway departments already have that shit covered with emergency response out the ass
that's perfect for when road accidents rise by 1500% due to slippery road i mean panel conditions
>>685141165
Then you draw power from an area not experiencing dust storms? Or better yet from reserves? It not like they happen constantly.
>>685154718
If you want to harness then sun's power efficiently then fusion is what the solution. Go to the fusion source or bring the fusion source to you.
>>685155680
The important part is the energy used for the compression and expansion of the gas that creates the heat exchange.
>>685152478
false equivalency you rancid cunt
>>685155705
>hundreds of billions
... of earth sized planets!
gotcha. it really depends on the structure, though. the flimsiest of flimsiest attempts might be doable in a few hundred years.
but a full dyson sphere? nope.
>>685155688
they would barely produce any energy and as cars drove over them they would get dirty and scratched, making them even less efficient. they would need maintenance literally every day. you could just make coverings over top of the side walks and put solar panels on those, it would cost a tiny fraction of what replacing the roads would cost, would produce way more electricity and would cost a minuscule fraction to maintain that the roads wod.
>>685155771
If we could capture even a fraction of a percent of the energy released in an hour we would never want for energy for decades.
We don't have nuclear fusion. Stop acting like it's a sure thing. We're way past the tipping point and we need solutions now. Yours is not applicable in this moment nor can you give me a date that it will be.
Stop being an asshat.
>>685144252
why would plastic be better than asphalt?
the only issue with it is that its black color absorb sunlight and in newer times scientists suggest it may actually impact the temperature on earth due to it being so widely used
>>685155890
Better yet we should devolve back to single celled organisms. It would be much more efficient.
>>685141178
Exactly. You burry the idea with cement because that's how stupid it is.
>>685155933
Shoulders of roads. Put them on the shoulders.
https://youtu.be/RjbKYNcmFUw
>>685138377
Actually it wouldnt be free. Power companies are consolidating the soloar market to con people into paying still. Nothing is free OP
>>685156105
But we can't replicate fusion with current technology.
So it's not a solution, it's a potential solution. It isn't guaranteed that we can make it work for us.
>>685156282
asphalt is a plastic you dumb shit
>>685156401
ah sweet EEVblog
>>685156333
why stop there? just devolve into lifeless proteins. we would require zero energy!
>>685156198
Wait a minute. I was under the impression a new advancement was made allowing cars and things to be able to drive on top of the solar panels. If there wasn't why was it suggested to put them on roads where people can drive on them and not shoulders of roads?
>>685156529
Plastic is oil you dumb shit.
