Name a better fictional leader than Captain Jean Luc Picard. Protip, you cannot, and only faggots think they can.
>>684689276
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAH ACKBAR!
Zits from battletoads
>>684689276
I win faggot
Janeway was much better of a leader
>>684689730
He said fictional
pic related
>>684689774
You done goofed
>>684689566
>>684689276
/thread
>>684689276
I'll take it from here, Picard.
>>684689867
jesus was a real guy
Sisko was way more of a badass.
>>684689276
good ol J.S. united a galaxy, started a new age. even pulled the jesus trick.
I mean, even amongst fictional space captains it's hard to beat Horatio Nelson In Space
>>684690130
>>684690267
You are my niggas.
>>684690157
All the believing and faith in the world won't make mythologic beings real faggot.
/thread
>>684689276
>>684690267
you forget made it with a hot alien babe.
Cotton Hill
>>684689276
who even cares about star trek anymore?
the effects are terrible and it's just outdated as hell
>>684691102
its just got summer in here.
>>684691102
>who even cares about star trek anymore?
Hello newfriend
a true leader
>>684689276
Captain's log:
This man, right here.
>Oh shit an enemy
>Transforms the SPF-1
>Whew, only 58,232 people were sucked out of space this time
>>684691207
>>684691266
it's just a terrible show, i look at star trek people like bronys or the doctor who people
we have good technology to create good shows with good CGI, why not do that instead?
>>684690524
There where people who lived the same time as Jesus who wrote about him like the historian Josephus.
>>684690295
No, it's not. Thomas Theisman.
Nigger faggot. Possibly Amos Parnell. That nigger was on fire.
>>684691735
>>684691102
>exposed as a child
>better become a troll to cover up
i wish i was 11 again.
>>684691735
Because effects are what makes for a good show.
I bet you think the transformers franchise is top tier entertainment.
I could give 2 Shits about special effects. Quality character development and a thought provoking story trump effects any day you plebian waste of space.
>>684689276
>>684691768
>There where people who lived the same time as Jesus who wrote about him like the historian Josephus
If you keep repeating a lie, maybe dumb fucks like you will believe it. By one scholars count, 47 Christian apologists had access to Josephus's works before Eusibius magically discovered the passages that he happened to interpolate into the text.
>>684692068
aw you can't come up with a counter argument?
>to be fair i didn't watch the whole series, but i liked the red captain when he was in lord of the rings
>>684692321
effects doesn't aoutomaticly make a good show, no, but star trek is so old now i feel it's more tolerated than liked
>>684689276
Whilst Picard was fucking about on the Enterprise, Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker was holding the Galactic Empire together and became one of/if not the best Jedi-killer of all time.
>>684691768
Bull shit. There isn't a single account of Jesus from the Roman empire which actually kept good records. All accounts of Jesus were written centuries after the oral myths, ask accounts are contradictory, no accounts contain independently verifiable evidence. And no independent evidence has surfaced to confirm that Jesus was even a single man who existed let alone a god.
You're being lied too by people who want the power of the pulpit and wealth of the tithe you fool.
>>684691735
Bruh the show was low-budget even in its time.
People don't watch it for the CGI. People watch it for the Shakespearian actors thinking and arguing through high-concept problems of politics and morality in space.
You'll appreciate that when your balls drop and you get tired of watching yet another CG gasoline fire pretending to be an explosion.
>>684693063
do you hear yourself?
politics in space?
just show me some fucking space battles and lasers, that is what should be shown on a space show
>>684691207
>may 16
hate to break it to you but schools are already getting out for the summer.
And i'm not a summerfag, i've been here since spring break
>>684693274
Battles of any sort are trite and boring if there's no stakes behind them, no reason to care about what is being exploded and why.
Without the politics and associated drama you might as well just be watching an animated .gif on an infinite loop, because nothing's fucking happening.
>>684692838
It's a classic.
I bet you also think Shakespeare and Homer and the Iliad ate old and tolerated too.
You're lack of sophistication is showing. Just so embarrassing yourself and do the world a favor and an hero.
>>684693850
any battle is basicly good vs. evil, we don't need a fucking 26 episode build up
>>684689774
Janeway was a authoritarian, didnt't listen much to her crew cause she was too much of a Mary Sue.
Janeway is the worst Sta Trek captain with Jonathan fucking Archer.
>>684693502
your prose is of an interesting and insightful nature
Paul Muad'Dib, he ain't got time for this cute shit
>>684689276
Engage
>>684694218
Dichotomies are bull shit illusions. Real drama is filed with moral dilemma and a blurring of the lines between good and evil.
You don't like star trek because you're to simple minded to understand it.
It's ok. That's what the reboot movies are for. Hollywood caters to your simple, low brow, bull shit. Why even bother with coming up with new franchises at this point, lets just reboot everything with less depth and more pew pew.
>>684694218
Aside from being outright wrong, that's also reductionist in the extreme and therefore meaningless.
>>684693274
https://youtu.be/lPkoqH2iQIQ
This sums up science fiction.
>>684689276
Sacré Jean Luc
the only Frenchman who speaks like an English tourist
the episode when he comes back to see his brother is fucking hilarious
In the 24th century people in rural France won't speak English
>>684694729
didn't watch the new movies
>>684694899
i'm not gonna watch that bruh
>>684689867
Jesus was real, most likely a cult leader, who existed in a time when that shit could spread. Stop being do fucking edgy, you wonder why people hate athiests
>>684695032
well they won't speak french either cause it will be a dead language by then.
>>684692475
>>684692884
I've never understood why atheist neckbeards get butthurt about Jesus being an historical figure like any other.
When ever historians bring him up they always point out they are talking about the historical Jesus and not the biblical Jesus.
Here. I'll just fix your opinion for you.
>>684695277
>dont believe in jesus
>must be atheist
You want to win a war? You get Kirk.
You want to negotiate peace? You get Picard.
You want to police a demilitarized zone? You get Sisko.
You want a coffee, no cream, two sugars? You get Janeway.
>>684695032
People 500 years ago didn't speak French or English either, not as we know them.
>>684695584
Faggot
Mua-Dib
>>684695228
It's literally a 24 sec clip where the dialog in question only last 20 sec and you are too lazy to watch it?
Says a lot about you, jabroni.
>>684690130
>>684690267
i love bab5 but i would still have 2 pick picard, john would be a close second
>>684695277
I have a master's degree in religious studies. Jesus, as described in the bible, wasn't real. Our best understanding is there may or may not have been a man named Jesus, but the Christian account of Jesus is a collection of embellished stories about at least 5 different men who took part of a rebellion against the Jewish establishment corrupted by roam combined into one and then mixed with other local urban legends and folk tails, then rewritten to serve different purposes for different populations in different books. Then collected, edited, and merged with roman mythology.
You sir, are an idiot apologist
>>684695584
I never got the appeal of this show. I tried as I loved Buffy but damn, it was blah.
>>684689276
A mightier captain never there has been,.
Good news everyone
>>684695988
To be fair, not too many people can compete with a Supreme Being.
Also, you should have said Gureny Hallack, for the lulz.
>>684695583
Because he isn't a historical figure. He's just not. There are no historical accounts of him. All accounts are biblical. I'm not an atheist, but I earn my living as a religious scholar.
>>684696390
Start with season 3
You're telling me star trek is about grey morality?
I feel sorry for you. Go and do yourself some good watching Battlestar.
>>684696093
"if our ancestors would have known one day bureaucrats would be running things they woulda stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea." - J.S.
>>684695277
>most likely a cult leader, who existed in a time when that shit could spread
you are thinking of muhammad
also this>>684696301
There is no historical evidence that jesus ever existed.
>>684695848
Nah, with Sisko, you get two quantum torpedoes laced with trilithium resin. Shoved straight up your ass.
>>684696807
It only lasted a season?
>>684696301
>I have a master's degree in religious studies.
>>684696661
Same lying fag.
Wiki
"Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and mostbiblical scholarsandclassical historianssee the theories of his nonexistence as effectively refuted."
>>684696852
fuck that show. literally a "who's fucking who this week" soap opera and just like shit tier anime all the important stuff in a episode happens right at the end to they can leave a cliff hanger so you'll tune in next week for the resolution, 35 minutes of bullshit and then ten minutes of the next crisis so you they can give you another cliff hanger.
>>684696852
OP never said anything about "grey morality." But BSG is legit.
Ron Moore knows how to write cliffhangers for season finales. That's for damn sure.
>>684696952
then there would be no space travel
>>684697328
Then don't watch it. No one is forcing you to. It's too bad though, it's one of the better shows to have existed on tv.
>>684692854
>Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker was holding the Galactic Empire together
Nope that was Palpatine
>>684696415
HOWLING MAD MURPHY
>>684690267
>>684690130
This is another show I just couldn't get into. And I love sci-fi. I guess because I started watching DS9 first this just seemed a ripoff.
Not trying to rustle jimmies here. I'm sure there are some of you who are the exact opposite and see DS9 as the ripoff.
>>684693502
I started coming here in April because I heard about summerfags and I didn't want to be one.
Professor Charles Francis Xavier
>>684696415
this. fucking this.
I'm sad now.
>>684695277
this guy took the bait
>>684698317
No superhero/villain is a good leader. They use their powers so retardedly it's just not funny
>>684697323
Yeah, because they are all faggots
>>684697219
The next generation doesn't really pick up until the 3rd season. There are 9 in total of that series. 7ds9, 7voy, and 3tos
>>684698716
>dropped this
You sound mad.
>>684689276
Ibram Gaunt/ Sharpe, Optimus Prime (cartoon version),Tywin Lannister
>>684698154
biggest reason i really like b5 was it was a whole piece not an episodic like most tv shows. strazynski wrote all five year at the same time and it really shows. watch th whole thing and pretty much everything brought up is relevant and all loose ends are wrapped up. true the first season is rough (dude playing Sinclair couldn't act his fucking way out of a paper bag) but if you really do what the whole thing start to finish its a pretty incredible work.
>>684699082
for the company
>>684698154
DS9 was the ripoff. The network that made ds9 and the one that made bab5 were going to start a joint channel. and the script of bab5 was going to be the flagship program and it was going to be a star trek spinoff. at the last moment the network that made ds9 started their own channel and ds9 was their flagship show, ds9 writers said it was the network execs who suggested a space station star trek.
>>684698256
then leave.
>>684699227
ALL OF THIS. The only reason he got the job was because he was good friends with strazynski. The reason why he left sucks, but it was the best thing for the show.
>>684699241
uh no nigger. DS9 was syndicated from the start.
Voyager was the flagshit for the new network Cant believe you fell for that bullshit
>>684699010
I work in a field where 90% of my colleagues are too scared of the Christian right to day the truth. Most of us get public funding and the good dammed pc police and religious fundamentalists keep many people I work with from coming to the obvious understanding that he's a myth. He's the combination of many people within a movement created centuries later so people could use the popularity of the anti Jewish establishment movement among the jews and usurp power from the temple. It ultimately backfired when roam decided that the religion of the poor and slave's is now the state religion.
>>684700130
based on your spelling I 100% believe you work in a field
Jack O'neill (two L's). Sorry don't have a pic on my phone
>>684700379
Because educated people don't use shitty phone swipe keyboards with autocorrect. I'm not going to go through with my sausage fingers trying to fix shit for /b. This is the toilet of the internet, not a fucking journal publication.
>>684700379
Those were the thoughts roaming on my mind. Kek
>>684700066
[citation needed]
>>684701237
you are the one that needs to cite. Just look on wiki. Yea you can argue the idea of a space station startrek was ripped off when he pitched the idea, but it's a simple fact that they were not trying to launch a new network. UPN didnt come about until years later with Voyager you stupid fuck
>>684698992
What? I was talking about Firefly? Someone posted a picture of Mal and I responded to that.
I have seen every episode of Star Trek, other than a few from the Animated Series.
The best episode is Masks.
After Threshold, there was literally zero reason to not use their transwarp to get back to earth as the Doctor had cured the snap evolution it caused.
In Cogenitor, Archer was right to scold Trip. He had zero business interfering in another culture and then causing the Congenitor to commit suicide.
And, you never know when you might need a tailor.
![maxresdefault[5].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Zr1uevI.jpg "maxresdefault[5].jpg")
>>684700678
yeah but got stuck doing that General...stuff
>>684699241
Uh, Voyager was the flagship program for UPN.
>>684701494
>wiki
>anyone can edit
>valid source of info
>>684702149
>not even citing wiki
>telling others to cite
>>684701623
That voy episode never happened
>>684702588
nevermind
he dissed Firefly
fuck him
>>684702933
Sorry, not sorry.
>>684702933
oh please
liking firefly was a meme that you fell for
>>684702933
this
>durr I am is an expert of sci fi
>durr I don't get firefly
keks
>>684699241
Copied from IMDB.
Babylon 5(1994)
When B5 entered production, there were claims that the creators of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993) had stolen the basic Babylon 5 premise. It was never proven, though both shows share striking similarities. This controversy led to friction between Babylon 5 and Star Trek fans over the course of both series.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105946/trivia?item=tr0736426
Not to mention DS9 aired almost a year before B5. I don't hate B5, it just seemed a copy of DS9 and I preferred DS9 overall.
>>684703214
Again, sorry, not sorry.
>>684697949
Palpatine didn't do shit but sit in a chair all fucking day once he finally had power. Once the republic fell Vader was the one enforcing everything.
>>684700130
Except he wasn't created centuries later and there is as much evidence for the historical Jesus as a number of other historical figures.
I assume you and your colleagues have read the works of of non Christians like Pliny, Tacitus, and Josephus writing around the time of Jesus death?
>I'm not a Christian.
>>684703741
I'd be sorry for anyone having to put up with your hipster attitude
>>684703755
he didnt need to do shit he made vader his puppet. thats what a true leader does.
>>684702149
Argumentum ad verecundiam.
>>684703852
I've read them. Josephus is the only one with any actual mention of jesus to suggest that he was one individual man, and even then, it doesn't Mention that he was Jesus, just a guy who fit the description. Which isn't a surprise. There were dozens of "Messias." My colleagues go into these works looking for evidence of jesus, it clouds their judgment. When you look at it without the goal of establishing Jesus as a historical figure and just take it for face value, the "evidence" is weak and vague. The account of jesus, as depicted in the bible, would have warrented a lot more mention in actual government records.
Do you also believe the jews built the pyramids and that Noah's ark is on my ararat?
Paulv muad'dib
>>684704279
Really? Calling me a hipster? That's the best you can do? No wonder you're a B5 fan...
>>684703852
what historical evidence is there that is actually from the supposed lifetime?
There's detailed reports on people in rome and greece centuries before.
Zach Efron. The way he rallied those frat guys to shit on that fat fuck next door neighbor, left me speechless.
>>684704824
Idk Vader seemed to do whatever the hell he wanted
Deckard
Duke Leto Atreides.
Fucker commanded WORLDS. Who gives two shits about little spaceships?
>>684705085
Except the Romans at the time wouldn't have been interested in one holy Jew because as you point out there were many at the time. You also overstate the amount of records being kept and forget to point out there was a fire soon after Jesus death that destroyed many records.
I'm not buying your bullshit. The Christian right don't have enough power to stop publications printing articles discussing Jesus(not uncommon).
>>684707204
? You know what Dune is, and you did not say Paul? or Duncan?
>>684707204
Well, if being in control of multiple planets is your measure of great leadership, I guess these guys are fucking gods.
>>684689276
I'm a weeaboo. Yang Wenli.
Mr feeny from boy meets world
>>684707811
Well, Duncan became, ah shit...Can you even explain Duncan Idaho's story in 2000 characters?
He became a sex god? Not like Robert Plant but like a god figure that could control people with his sex? Fuck, I need to go back and read those books.
>>684705927
About as much if not more than many spiritual leaders of the time.
What about the story of Jesus do you find unbelievable outside of the claims of miracles?
How do you explain the groups of followers within a century of his death?
>atheists getting triggered
Makes me ashamed to be one.
>>684689276
Vito Corleone
>>684689276
My favorite Quote from John Luc Picard is -
"How can there be justice if a law is absolute?"
I honestly think our world could benefit from his statement.
>>684692854
If by holding the empire together you mean being Palpatine's bitch then yes you're right.
>>684708794
Also, he's a talking bulletproof robot car.
