you don't really exist. i mean literally
>>684441894
What does "literally" means?
>>684442144
He means figuratively.
>>684441894
What if literally doesn't literally exist?
>>684441894
prove it faggot
this is not some philosophical or religion stuff, im talking science here. (OP)
So If i made a porno.. I would exist tho.
amiright?
op means we dont exist in literature
>>684442730
lol thats not what i meant
>>684442833
>lol
kek
>>684442730
oh.. what a presumptuous fag OP then
>>684441894
what if literally isn't literally literal
>>684442833
you arent even op faggot
take a look the picture (OP)
>>684442833
dubs holy fuck
I studied letters
I'm literally capable
>>684443066
fml
If nothing exists, then your argument and/or proof that nothing exists also stops existing meaning that everything exists but then your argument and proof about nothing existing exists but then........................
>>684442144
>>684442833
>>684443066
INCOMING !!!
the difference between the two drawings are just the arrangement. and arrangement is not made of matter or energy. youre just an arrangement so you dont exist
saddest thread on the entire internet right now
>>684443257
you're just a derangement, and you persist
>>684443389
well think about it
>>684443257
Is this the shitty argument?
god OP you are really gay today
>>684442983
>>684443257
not op
you dont exist because science has evidence that everything is just a projection of the real world (op)
>>684443257
We aren't the arrangement tho, we are the arranged parts.
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU
PLAY THIS FUCKING SHITTY GAME
EBIN!!!!!!!!!!!
>>684443257
isnt magnetism an energy that arranges things?!
>>684443638
Explain how that would work, bud
>>684443257
>implying i cant exist without matter or energy
>>684443638
If everything is a hologram and you are some matrix of cognition even and not a single actual atom is actually in your body. You still exist fag, you're just not existing in a way your use to.
>>684441894
>>684443638
Not OP. (OP)
>>684441894
reality is a persistent hallucination
>>684443638
youre not op
>>684441894
if i really dont exist
that doesnt mean i dont exist
it means my definition of existence is wrong
>>684443257
13 circles on right 12 on left....how am I the only one who is being driven insane by that?
>>684445238
its 13 left and 12 right
>>684443862
underrated
If I didnt arrange it to form a triangle it would just be a circles with random positions. What if your not arrange would you still be you?
>>684445507
Sorry bout that my mistake
>>684443257 Well that's ... just ... stupid. You're entire premise is horrible. The abstract concept of arrangement doesn't require matter or energy, sure. But arrangements of objects are composed of matter and energy more often than not. So no, you're dumb.
>>684444447
>>684446523
It the arrangement that defines you. Not your composition. Take away the arrangement and your not you anymore
>>684447213
we may perceive ourselves very differently from how we actually are, and we may not have any understanding of our true nature. but that doesnt meant we dont exist
>>684447506
for example. if our eyes had a red tint on them. we would see everything, and outselves, as red. of course we arent all red, and our perception may not line up with what exists, and we may not have any idea what color we actually are, but that doesnt mean that we dont exist.
>>684447213
So? Yes, if my atoms were broken apart and turned into toasters then, yes you are correct - i wouldnt be me. But, I still exist until then and the toasters exist at that point. Op is underage fag trying to sound smart.
>>684446822
Hallucination is persistent
Lol i am a fag (op)
>>684447213
Yeah, no. Have you ever studied biology, physics, chemistry? The arrangement AND composition of our atoms allow us to exist in the manner that we do. Your argument fails on both a scientific and philosophical level. You stated:
A. Arrangements are not made of matter or energy.
B. We are arrangements.
Therefore
We don't exist.
You're argument fails on a philosophical level because A is false. Arrangements CAN be made of matter and energy, therefore your conclusion doesn't work.
Im op and i must admit this is a shitty thread. But just before you go back to porn thread.. just think about it.. Youre just an arrangement just like the triange. You dont exist /b/
>>684448493
But you are wrong since you dont exist. I can prove it with a simple experiment...
get up and go to the bathroom and look in the mirror. You will see a fag.
(Op)
It is a statistical inevitability that we are a simulation of a more advanced human species. so you could literally argue that we dont exist
>>684448888
You are a dumbass. Why not go to school and learn instead of pretending like you have any actual thoughts?
>>684449007
No it is not....
Arrangement is a concept just like numbers and colors. They dont exist
>>684441894
I have pleasure in doing many things, sometimes even my work.
So, real or fake, i can't give a fuck
Your compositiion exist cause mad up of matter. But the concept of being you is just an arrangement of those matter. Without that arrangement you would just be a random molecules. Youre not there anymore
>>684449270
Colors and numbers don't exist, huh?
Do you understand what color is...i mean not what you perceive it to be but what it actually is?
And numbers? Damn nigger...if ur gay ass has 3 nigger dicks in it, then that's what it has. ..that number does not deviate until another dick is added (which is likely for fags like u) or subtracted after you ass is loaded in nigger cum
Fuck this shit.. op here. This is getting boring.. fake ops take over
>>684450152
Then explain....you said YOU CAN PROVE
>>684449878
>>684450240
>>684450575
Good job faggot
>>684450575
Look at this fag (op)
>>684450575
Kek what a faggy picture to attach [op]
itt: word games
you haven't proven anything except your tenuous grasp on semantics
exist
have objective reality or being
live, especially under adverse conditions
Humans can be confirmed by peers, therefore we are exist as an objective reality. Anything else is just spiritual woo or junior-high-tier reductionist bullshit, and get it the fuck out of my face.
>>684450575
>2015+2-1
> naked statues of men
Confirmed homosexual
>>684441894
"Does not exist, take an exit"
I hear the voices insinuating
Feeds me the words to this song that I am singing
Sunlight, 7:20pm early September
Standing, looking at a photograph you don't remember
You look out of breath, and me like I am faking
As a matter of fact, I don't recall this being taken
'Cause you don't actually exist, and I start shaking
"Does not exist, take an exit"
>>684450575
Haha you are funny
>>684450575
Op here. Kill yourself
>>684450876
first pic i found in google for facepalm
>>684442983
there is a circle more on the left picture
>>684442730
That image is literally Bill-Nye-tier comprehension of Descartes' points
>I think therefore I am? So if I stop thinking I stop existing?
>>684450575
You are very clever!
>>684442833
Fuck off newfag
>>684451348
yah.. my mistake
>>684451348
Thus proofing my point
>>684451283
You are stupid
>>684451283
What a dumbass
>>684448934
Translation: "You're wrong because I'm right."
Great counter argument OP!
>>684451283
Google? Kek how gay. Kill yourself
>>684441894
ITT: OP is an underage B& faggot who is high on weed and trying to sound smart, but keeps digging himself into a hole
Cogito, ergo sum
>>684441894
>>/asd/
>>684451603
not op. i reply to good argument not to shitty ones
>>684442615
u just found out about quantum physics.. duh and congrats. fucking atheist think they buy science. but gods not possible.. u can tell them about quantum all u want, they wont even buy that its science, fucks up their world view..
>>684451603
Yeah good strawman...
Did you not understand the triangle? I can post again if u are that stupid.
>>684443638
In other words we are all living in a simulation, correct? Or perhaps living is the wrong word, and perhaps some of the people we meet aren't people at all, they too are part of the simulation. Correct?
>>684451864
what are you talking about?
>>684452026
Well, you didn't exactly explain it. We all thought you were just trying to triforce
>>684452108
thats not what i meant. this is not some sci-fi movies
>>684452109
Get an education newfag...
>>684452109
its book stuff. don't sweat it. or ask a better question.
>not worth an answer so far
>>684451864
Agreed, athiestfags think quantum is magic woo, and dismiss it out of hand as such. Won't even take the time to study it and see that yes, that's science
>>684441894
You can't prove that. I merely can't proof my existence, but that doesn't mean I don't exist. You should be intellectually honest and be agnostic about my existence.
>>684452219
U r stupid. Look at how they ate ARRANGED!!
You do not exist, only the arrangement...which is abstract and not physical
>>684452309
That's a pretty badly written book
>>684452109
he's talking about the weird science of quantum. Multiple universe theory, electron tunneling, collapse of microstates under observation, that sort of shit
>>684452108
simulation is correct. idk about fake people. probly. if u ask someone in a higher dimension, yes we are them pretending. but we are not in that one. we are in ours. and in the simulation theyv made we are real. so here we are in fact real. 3rd person here tho....
>>684442730
Top kek
>>684452773
Fake and gay
>>684452596
what if i arrange it this way..
spudrui
would it make sense? did i put matter to it to change it?
>>684452770
i mean what atheism got to do with quantum physics..
>>684453039
What are you blabbering on about? You are making yourself look ignorant and embarrassing yourself!
>>684452596
>not physical
huh, this arrangement of atoms seems pretty physical to me.
I am not my atoms, I am the sum aggrigate of my atoms, my memories, my personality, and my preferences. These change from day to day, I am a Ship of Theseus, absolutely. But I am
>>684453039
Please kill yourself.
>>684453413
he said to me U R stupid.. so i rearrange it to prove may point.
Well I may not agree with what you say.
But "we" don't exist in the sense that an individual permanent will is controlling actions and perceptions.
Each moment is a different desire driving your unconscious machine to act completely outside of you're control.
Most of us are asleep and haven't awakened to knowing who they actual are apart from their automation.
And that's the truth brothers.
>>684452457
their motivation is purely to feel smarter than a large group. everything they say is a mimic anyways. they cant learn cus they are pure over compensation and tryhard faggotry.
>>684442367
Literally, it no longer does, apparently.
>>684453379
Just commenting that the previous poster was right. A lot of atheists look at quantum tunneling, multiple states, etc, and just shout that it's magic woo and won't believe that it's real science.
>>684453904
Wut?
>>684453633
You are confusing the mechanism of arrangement with the macro concept of the singleness
>>684444444
fag
>>684452727
lazy grammar maybe..lol and yea generally people who don't have a point talk about people grammar..lmao its so common its laughable.. the fact that people don't see how desperate it is is the sad part.
>not wasting punctuation on btard faggots
>bitter athiests be like
I know I exist in my own thoughts, so in some way I do exist
>>684454082
Depends on your grouping.
An arrangement of fruits, vegetables, cakes, meats, and all other stuff can still be looked at as the "singleness" of a grocery store
Or is OP trying to say that grocery stores don't exist, but rather they are just meaningless arrangements of food-like items?
>>684454220
Well, there was that, but also how nothing of any value was said.
>>684452930
>bitter athiests who don't know dick about science be like
>>684441894
your definition of existence is wrong. matter energy, information, ideas, even arrangement exist.
>>684443638
Well... Show us the evidence then...
THIS IS A COMPUTER SIMULATION!!!
>>684454430
let us not turn this thread to religion stuff. please
>>684452596
Ok, let's remove most of the body from the equation, and focus on the concept of self which we derive from having a functioning brain. There is no single fundamental unit of self in the brain. If you scoop chunks out, the mind either stops functioning or fundamentally changes. But just because the mind is the sum of its parts, why should that devalue our own concept of self?
I think therefore I am. At some point in the future I will die, or suffer some tragic brain damage that fundamentally changes who I am. But that doesn't change who I am right now, we all think in the moment, we all exist in the moment.
>>684454430
hey, religious people can be that ignorant too you know
>>684454082
I feel like we're playing stupid word games.
Are you saying that the label we use to mark a reoccurring pattern of atomic structuring doesn't exist, or that the only thing that exists is the atoms and not the reoccurring, observable patterns?
Either way, it's just a game of semantics.
Exist
2.
live, especially under adverse conditions:
Live
1.
remain alive
Life
1.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death
Whatever you're trying to push is an abstraction, and mostly just a game of semantics.
>>684454407
that's called bias. its a side effect of ignorance and feeling the desperate need to feel correct/smarter than someone(for the love of god anyone, even if its people u claim are retarded). its the same as religious peoples desperate need to feel like they know what will happen to them. they wana be save, atheists wana feel they wont be judged. but mostly they just wana feel smarter than a large group of people.. its pretty simple stuff.. feel free to say something of value faggot.
>never met an atheist with a point.
>>684441894
do tell
>>684455155
not the anon you were talking to, but
>that's called bias
>never met an atheist with a point
the irony is overwhelming me
>>684455307
you will not exist when im done with you
>>684454560
how do I add mods? I want better visuals and more bouncy breasts. Maybe even a magic mod if it's been released.
Kind of off topic, but I've always thought it is funny how humans know so much scientifically. I mean, we created those terms and language to explain a bunch of stuff ourselves, so it is only really relative to us. We know how a lot of things work down to a molecular level, or we know a certain amount of things about space or physics, but we really don't KNOW what it all is or means - its all relative.
>>684454569
who said religious? just because im talking shit about atheists that has anything to do with religion? im talking about their logic and knowledge. I don't give a fuck about religious beliefs.
>>684443862
Magnetism is a fundamental force, not energy
>>684455053
she's really not into it and it murdered any chance of getting an erection
If we don't exist and yet you're having arguments with us does that make you insane?
>>684455455
The more cogent argument would be that you have no free will. Start with that one.
>>684445836
Doubt it. We regularly change out our old matter for new stuff. Truly we are a chemical reaction
>>684454865
duh they can. and I talk shit about them when they are...
>somsones making me feel stupid, they must be a christfag..
>>684455537
mentioning atheism could turn this thread to religion debate so watch it
>>684455347
to be fair that anon just said he hasn't met one, not that they don't exist
>>684455539
Magnetism is light, light is energy
Magnetism is electricity, electricity is energy
magnetism is light is electricity
'cause science
>>684455494
Easy, just reprogram your computing unit (brain) to achieve a fixed outcome. In your case you want more bouncy breasts - first you need money, so program your brain to get a job and save money. Then go to a surgeon and get bigger breasts - its that easy.
>>684455755
No trust me, this dude literally unexists people.
>>684448888
Impressive quads... But fuck you. What is it about an arrangment that makes you think it doesn't exist?
>>684455993
I'm standing by for transition then.
>>684455849
To be fair he insisted he's never met one, which means he's concluded that every atheist he's met is completely wrong, which is telling of a personal bias, considering he'd have to keep track of the religious preference of every person he meets, and then be able to refute (with citation and evidence) every argument he's ever had with an atheist.
It's childish to pretend someone can't teach you something because of who they are.
>>684455950
Magnetism is not light. Magnetism can be used to create electricity, but it is not electricity.
I'm in the illuminati
The secret behind the triangle is actually a vault that leads you to the "real dimension" seeing it is believing. Yes, you do live in a simulation
I'd first like to start off by saying we are all neoslaves. I'd like to recognize that problem and fix that first
>>684455347
just cus iv never met an atheist with a point dosnt make me biased retard. I have no religion... when religious fags are stupid I talk shit to them to. when they arnt I don't. same with atheists. everyone can think what they want until they argue a shity point. and care super hard about someone elses beliefs. once throw a stone, one may be returned. sory to inform u dear.
>>684443257
If the both drawings had equal number of circles then their entropies would be the same. it doesnt matter if objects are scattered or in arrangement. arrangement is a man made construct
>>684441894
So all of the degenerate shit that I've fapped to, I didn't actually fap to? I can live with this OP
You're all fucking autists. Whether or not you exist doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that you understand the relationship between yourself and the world as you perceive it, ie: you can communicate with people, you can apply force to objects, etc. Arguing the semantics is pointless.
>>684453633
Well put. Maybe those assholes will get it now: a combination doesn't exist any less than the things it is composed of
>>684456305
Study you some Maxwell, they are the same thing presented in 3 forms
>>684444489
internal quints
>>684455828
fuck fuck could turn fuck fuck thread into fuck fuck. so watch fuck fuck...
>>684456332
You want to know how I know you're lying and don't know what you're talking about?
They don't call it the illuminati anymore, and there are more than just one group working towards a global goal. The term illuminati has only just recently became part of pop culture, for some reason.
how bout this?
>>684444489
this number is cool because 68 rotated 180 degrees is 89, so it's sorta symmetrical in a weird way.
>>684455950
>magnetism is light
no it's not
>magnetism is electricity
no, but it can be used to produce it
>light is electricity
No, light is a phenomena that is a result of magnetic and electric fields.
lol go back to school
>>684449878
Colors exist but percieving of color is a concept.
>>684455504
Well the funny thing about meaning is that it's completely subjective. Anything can mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean
>>684456712
Someones a serious fag. What are they called, don't tell me freemasons? Because i'm a mason, my family is full of masons and they're not affiliated with the illuminutti
>>684456632
Are you sure?
So.... can we shut the hell up about magnetism already?
>>684441894
Prove it.
>>684456712
Fag derailing the thread
>>684441894
I think op you are right. I'm on that track too. Every thing is manipulated by my soul. You and this universe exist until I liberate my soul
>>684456967
NO!
>>684455950
No. That doesn't make any goddamn sense. There is a relationship between electromagnetism, light, and electricity, but they arent the same retard.
>>684456229
yea as long as they think modern science is fake also.. if u claim to believe in science and you say there cant be a god, then u don't know science or your in denial...
>>684456932
No...?
Just to name a few, here are some groups:
Bilderberg group
Trilateral commision
Council On Foreign Relations
There's a lot more if you care to research, but I'm sure you really don't care. Keep to your bread and circus, neoslave.
>>684444740
/thread
>>684456632
James Clerk Maxwell demonstrated that the light is made of electric and magnetic fields that change very rapidly. When you walk across a rug in the winter (and there isn't very much water in the air), you can collect electric charges that make your hair stand on end. You can sometimes give other people shocks by moving these electric charges from you to them (and they can shock you by doing the same).
I think you need better reading comprehension.
>>684456305
Well, to be fair, magnetism is actually the relativistic consequence of electrons moving through space. And light consists of electromagnetic waves moving through space. Because, you know, Maxwell's equations.
>>684457191
The bilderberg council is not affilated with the illuminati
The other two aren't either
Also, I wasn't serious you fag if you don't know what sarcasm is
>>684457161
atheism is defined as the passive lack of belief (distinct from disbelief)
anti-theism is the active belief that there is no God
You've mixed terms up. Far be it from me to judge someone, but I'd start with your grammar before you try anything above a 6th grade level.
>>684456713
you did it wrong
>>684457296
Not just waves, also particles with mass and energy
>>684457296
Electrons don't even exist. They are imaginary.
>>684457356
I never said they were affilated with the illuminati dipshit.
The point I was trying to make is the illuminati is a group that no longer exists. It was busted by police in bavaria in the 1700's or 1800's, something like that. Things have blown up a lot since then.
>>684456960
yep
>>684457296
fuck your pseudo-scientific nonsense, magnets are magic.
>>684457055
>u left out all this on purpose.
>I have no religion... when religious fags are stupid I talk shit to them to. when they arnt I don't. same with atheists. everyone can think what they want until they argue a shity point.
>you don't realize how bias you are. so I cant expect you to understand my very fair stance on this issue. im sorry your butthurt. but if you just gona pretend your way through it. there no way I can make u feel any better.. sorry buddy.
>>684441894
That would explain why nothing I do or say matters.
>>684444444
>>684457209
they're the same thing. Light is an electromagnetic wave traveling through space.
here is my gf. what do?
>>684457879
You're shits all retarded
>>684441894
I shitpost, therefore I am.
>>684457209
Let me show you a picture of light
>>684457430
>grammar
>6ths grade level
Nassim haramein explains All of your questions on YouTube anons.fuck fags wasting time
>>684458249
Light is not electromagnetic in nature. It isn't effected by magnetism. No matter how strong you make an electromagnet it will never bend light.
>>684458345
u wish
>>684451376
I much prefer Wittgenstein's "if I stop defining myself as alive I become dead"
>>684458497
That is only a conceptual image of an electromagnetic wave, not a true image of light.
>>684458333
Post tits trip anon
Us lonely fags could do with some
>>684458572
Delbrück scattering, just saying
>>684458497
Kek you should know that that is a conceptual diagram of the electromagnetic effects of light
>>684458758
well I can't exactly snap a picture of a wave and send it to you now can I?
visible light is electromagnetic radiation from 390-700nm in wavelength
>>684458787
shes a minor but ok here goes. just one moment
>>684459101
your point?
>>684458852
That's light effecting light.
ITT: From philosophy to religion to science
>>684459169
> Posting tits of a minor
This isn't (8)infinitechan OP
>>684441894
The fuck you say bitch?
>>684459122
Light is not electric, nor magnetic and certainly not electromagnetic. It is the emission of energy from a body, or substance that has been effected by radiations of a particular frequency range, which may themselves be, but necessarily electromagnetic in nature.
>>684459370
lol i dont have tits pics. im messing with you
>>684459561
>not necessarily
>>684459663
>>684459373
back-read idiot
>>684459561
I'll just leave this here
>>684459804
sorry bout that
>>684444447
>>684444444
>>684459561
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/41680/why-is-light-called-an-electromagnetic-wave-if-its-neither-electric-nor-magne
All y'all bitches in here need science
>>684459987
You aren't contradicting anything I've stated, you only show you ignorance of the subject.
>>684460372
tl;dn but looks like it's basically saying light /is/ electric and magnetic
>>684441894
Nothing is true unless you believe it.
>>684460372
"Light is an oscillating electric and magnetic field, so it is electrical and magnetic."
Bullshit and the explanation is bullshit too. A bunch of mental masturbation and retarded metaphors. As I've already stated electrons do not exist, they are imaginary. It astounds me that anyone is so stupid as to religiously believe in this shit when the concept of an electron is a mental crutch, or conceptual aide to teach this shit.
>>684441894
If I don't exist why do I feel so much pain?
>>684460464
So let me break this down to you, you ignorant fuck
1) you're wrong. Light is electric and light is magnetic. Light /is/ an electromagnetic wave. That's why light in the radio frequency (yes, radio waves are light, just not visible to humans) can cause electrons in an antenna to osculate. Visible light is a frequency band of EM waves our eyes can detect.
2) if you think light is not an EM wave, please by all means show me what it is. And before you say photon, remember a photon in motion is an electromagnetic wave
>>684441894
op is an idiot.
>>684461160
OP, stop trying already. We've already gotten bored of your "existence is false" highschool emo bullshit. The adults are talking now
>>684461160
Tell me, what qualities does something need to have to count as "existing". If something were to exist, how would you be able to tell it apart from something that "doesn't exist"?
...
yeah, that's what I thought. Now shut your cockwasher
>>684461393
1. you're a religious fanatic so far removed from real science that it's pointless to try to reason with you.
2. wave theory another conceptual learning aide. As for what is electromagnetic? Electromagnetism and nothing else, obviously.
>>684461611
>>684461841
I'm not the OP
Tits or gtfo is the only rational thesis
>>684462052
1) religious fanatic, huh? so tell me, what have I said that has anything to do with religion?
2) I didn't ask what is electromagnetic, I asked what is light if not an EM wave.
3) you're still wrong. Light is an EM wave
Electrical engineer with a focus on signal transmission. I know my shit, you need to go back to grad school
>>684462229
Sure sound like him
and even if you aren't him, the question on existence still applies
>>684461160
Dude, people think when they vote it actually counts.. your expectations are way too high. I wish I could have a coffee and discuss this topic with you though.
>>684457456
keksimus maximus
>>684457483
Well yeah, light exhibits properties of waves, and also properties of particles depending on the experiment. Wave-particle duality is weird. But I wouldn't say particles of light have mass.
Physicists deal with mass in a very particular way. E=mc^2 (or rather E^2=(pc)^2+(mc^2)^2) mass can be considered equivalent to energy. But not all energy can be considered equal to mass. As best as I can put it, given that I'm only a 4th year undergraduate in physics, particles with mass can never travel at the speed of light. Therefore, since a particle of light can only ever travel at the speed of light it's not considered to have mass.
>>684461342
You are a pussy. You choose to feel pain, I don't. Try it some time, you can remove the thought of pain quite easily. Don't believe me then try it or watch the video of a real man light himself on fire and stay completely still until he's bbq. Stop being a pussy. Shut those bullshit emotions off too while you're at it.
>>684461160
"electrons don't exist"
then tell me, what carries power through a metal wire? what do atoms share when they bond? What balances out the charge in an atom?
>>684463829
don't even bother with him. Op's either high, a faggot, or both. He's convinced god makes his lights work and that everyone else on the planet is a figment of his own imagination.
>>684461160
>the pc i am typing on is powered by cobwebs and fairydust
>>684461160
See, you would be right, but...
we've already developed machines that can see electrons. so we know they're there.
cry some more
>>684458572
You don't understand what you're talking about. All an electromagnet does is use a current to create a magnetic field. An electromagnetic wave is essentially a traveling variation in the electric and magnetic field. The wave would ever so slightly affect the magnetic field along the direction of propagation, via the principle of superposition, but the field wouldn't effect the wave. If you want to bend the wave, you would have to bend space itself.