This thread has two main topics.
1. Since Milo Yiannopoulos is gay i set forward a motion to Declare him the new "queen" of /b/.
2. General feminism hate thread.
Milo is based as fuck. Love that guy. I also love anger so let's do dis.
I don't agree with his views entirely but, obviously, disagreeing with someone's views isn't enough reason to hate them so, yeah, it's more to do with him. He's a pompous prick who has never had to work for anything, he's a professional antagoniser and hates his own sexuality because he wants to be accepted by the right wing. Total lack of courage or dignity.
dubs further confirm these claims
It really doesn't. Because he presents himself as a serious political and social intellectual (which many think he is). So, whenever he engages feminist, he validates them; but because he isn't as intelligent as he thinks he ends up just antagonising and being mean to them for fun, which equals more sympathy for them. He perpetuates their myths more than anything.
P.S. I don't like the guy but don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's dumb. He had a better education than me and is smarter than I'll ever be. He just isn't who he thinks he is.
Same. I have 0% interest in men, but Milo is my Waifu
do you mean Ox-Bridge, as in 'Oxford Cambridge'
this so much.
tumblr feminists piss me off but this dudes such a narcissistic self-righteous prick its drives me crazy
its good to hear someone else thinks so, i felt like i was taking crazy pills
Yeah, that's when I first became aware of Milo, and I live in the UK. He was never really given a platform here. I watch Rogan's podcast though and I just thought, who is this fucking guy? At one point I remember Milo telling Joe (on the subject of wanting to be straight), "You really should read this essay by..." and then Rogan cut in with "I don't need to read shit. I need you to explain to me what you mean". And Milo kind of trailed off because that's all he is: a well-read mouthpiece. He doesn't actually know how to state and substantiate an opinion without quoting or referring to something he read or heard someone else say.
Feminism is not the problem.
ANYONE who gives Men or Women a gender role is.
You're not alone, man. He is just as bad. Most of his fans claim to hate narcissism, self-righteousness and sensitivity but when someone who agrees with them displays all of these traits it is ignored. Total hypocrisy, regardless of your views.
Milo is a fucking cuck.
Cuck nowadays generally refers to white people who support shit like BLM and refugees, which are harming white people.
Milo supports agendas which harm gay people, making him just another kind of CUCK.
I really used to think it was no big deal that people wanted to become another gender or what ever. But now, I am feeling myself drawn to the side of it being a mental illness.
Is is a mental illness, dumbass. Trans have a higher a suicide rate than normal genders.
No femnism is the problem. For many reasons and denying that would only further their agenda.
I never paid much attention to that shit, you know being straight and all. Why call me a dumb ass you fucking cunt can you speak to any one with out being a anti social neck beard fuck in your life.
It is a mental illness. That doesn't necessarily mean it's "wrong". The treatment for legit body dysmorphia is sexual reassignment.
The problem with these tumblrina fags is they're all "transtrenders", they just think because they like sewing they're suddenly special trans snowflakes despite the fact they've never dressed as, acted like, or longed to be a woman. They keep it from being treated like the legit mental health issue it is because they're giant faggots.
Milo is a retarded self-hating conservative fag who denies evolution, loves religion, is anti-contraception, and plays the identity politics game while pretending to be anti-identity politics.
Also, he has a massive case of gayface, exacerbated by severe asymmetry.
just playing devils advocate not necessarily saying i disagree with you but is it not possible that transgender people have a suicide rate because they are not generally accepted by society?
It's weird how the people who can't stop calling others cuck, spend their time calling Trump Daddy, alpha, God-Emperor, etc.
If that's not beta worship of an alpha, I don't know what is...
Trump supporter sexual anxiety is off-the-charts.
Who is Milo
>Uses double standards
Most of this seems to be standard pleb /b/ material. He should be the queen of /b/
The king however, should not use such silly things as religion, hypocrisy and selfrighteousness, since he isn't a faggot.
right but once again isnt it possible there is a struggle because were told since a young age that you are either one of two genders and just sort of funneled into it without being able to question? I would imagine suicide rates for gay people have gone down quite a bit in the past 20 years what with the gay acceptance movement.
like i said, playing devils advocate tho. Not sure which side i come down on. always interested in talking about it though
I'm not the anon you replied to but he is publicly a devout Roman Catholic. I don't think he's ever spoken about evolution. It would be logical to assume that he probably doesn't believe in it, given his strong religious beliefs but there's no way to know. So, in summary
>Definitely a devout Catholic
>Maybe doesn't believe in evolution
That's about as far as I would. go.
double dubs have redeemed you tho anon, i can't stay mad at chu
Pay attention to the word "pleb". Just your standard, run of the mill, bullshit from daily visitors on 4chan, whether they be summerfags, idiots, jerkoffs, etc.
So why not have Milo as the queen, since he seems like /b/ pleb material?
Either way who gives a fuck. Your just gonna keep calling me faggot anyways. Or are you for once in your miserable life going to amount to something and perhaps... get creative?!
Well thanks man also fuck Epic Movie.
But also I just really don't want humanity to die to stupidity from are culture these days with the "triggers", "oppression/women card", etc.
i just find that kevin hart as an albino hilarious that movie was shit tho
And i feel you anon, But the way its going for some country's like here in Canada were I live. Feminists fucking rule our PM is one for fucks sake.
You dont even deny being a tumblr faggot, classic case of fedorawearing white knight, autistic, fat, feminazi.
Have fun ruining the western world, cunt.
>attacks a brit faggot with fantastic hair out of jealousy
Pic related gave me a giggle, but looking at the nnnnyennnnnnennm woman's page, she wasn't joking
>Milo supports agendas which harm gay people
Like not wanting Muslims to take over?
There is no active funneling of people into genders. It's just a result of the fact that we try to educate people based on the assumption of them being in the statistical average of the population. So the rates of mental illness in the trans-gender population could possibly be explained by the discrepancy between the statistically average information in the conscious mind conflicting with irrational desires and intents of the subconscious.
>ignorance is not a problem
>fact denial is not a problem
>sexism is not a problem
You're so full of shit that some has leaked out.
No nigger, the issue is that Milo is overqualified for what he is doing.
When he cites a multi-page paper on his opinion, and the other public figures cut him off, there is nothing more to say.
It is like a layman demanding that a physics proffesor give him an explanatuon for his belief in string theory in a few sentences.
Milo, and his relationship with his sexuality, even at the most base level beyond stating it, required a huge amount more explanation than there was scope for in that interview, and that is what he says when referencing a piece like that.
Whereas other public figures would blunder on and make a fool of himself, he allows people who care to go and read it and come to a conclusion.
You and Rogan are similairly unintelligent in this regard.
Enjoy life without reading anon, unfortunately most things worth understanding are not bite-sized.
like i said, i would imagine
did a little searching tho and this was the best i could find:
they mention a 3% rate of suicide among men in 2013, and then cite a 12% rate between 96 and 98
this gives a similar 12% statistic
this all despite a sharp increase in suicide rates among men in general. No its not the best, but it seems like a yearly survey of this sort of thing isnt really conducted, and its what i found with 5 minutes in google
Women can handle themselves. If they can't it's not my problem
Yeah, I got assburgers... so what?
Tubby, and that's a personal problem
They can go fuck themselves
I don't go to tumblr. If I want to cringe, laugh, whatever I go here.
>Attacks a brit faggot with fantastic hair out of jealousy
Not really. I like some of his arguments, at other times I find him quite annoying and a waste to the argument. He speaks his mind, which I see as nice sometimes. And I also just added some things that I haven't thought about, that other people in this thread picked up on. See below
I can still listen to him, because he's interesting. But I got no reason to do anything else.
People -are- one of two genders. They may think they are, or should be a member of the other gender but this has been well defined in the past as mental illness.
Surgical/hormonal impersonation of the opposite gender (which meant sex, before gender ideologues corrupted the word) is a harmful physical solution to a potentially acute mental dysfunction.
Society doesn't need to make people one gender or the other because they simply already are that gender, regardless of how social 'scientists' and 'progressive' ideologues try to ignore the empirically true human sexual dimorphism which reliably results in observably discrete human genders as a phenotype.
well, sir, you are the one putting together this sentences
>Definitely a devout Catholic
>Maybe doesn't believe in evolution
as if the second derives from the first. you are misleading and asking for an answer like this, just to rant later.
10. here you are, kid, for the bait.
Milo can make some well reasoned arguments against censorship and PC bullshit. the problem is he is paid to be a troll and extract money from disaffected rubes, and he does it well.
Fucking Christ. What a sensitive faggot. So, what is he overqualified for? To have a conversation? To give an opinion? Settle down with that shit, anon. Even his fanboys in this thread don't believe that. They just like him because he's funny and says based things.
No you're right. I suppose it's not really an active funneling process, like a gender sorting hat (Billy to house boy, Jennifer to house girl etc.), but like you said it certainly is a subconscious funneling.
I'm sexually a straight male who identifies as a male and I'm very happy with that, its who I am, but I couldn't deny that I was raised with certain familial and societal expectations; my mom signed me up for basketball and painted my room blue while she signed my sister up for ballet and painted her room pink without asking either of us which we would prefer. My sister, who btw is much smarter than I am, studied English and French, while my parents pressured me to study a hard science like engineering.
I understand this is all anecdotal, but you would be hard pressed to deny there are gender expectations place on kids at ages when they are incredibly impressionable and don't have strong senses of identity.
He is overqualified to have conversations which flow like you seem to expect.
He makes "based" statements, but the reason they are so brilliant os because they are grounded in researched scattered across a plethora of papers from institutes around the world.
This is why Milo is over-qualified, because he is in the arena of the layman, arguing on twitter, and youtube, and the 9 news, and unfortunately takes the same techniques he would when providing a professional counter-argument to an essay.
He cites what he assumes to be prerequesite knowledge for his point of view, the fact that the inability to look up studies seems to be rife within modern society should not detract from the strength of his argument.
I am in no way riled up that I would need to settle down, I am just saying that sinply because you and Rogan don't seem to understand how an intellectual argument works, doesn't mean that he is somehow less than a brilliant speaker.
All I said was that he is definitely a devout Catholic but that, since he has never spoken of it publicly, there is no way to know his personal stance on religion. Perhaps he follows the current Pope's lead and believes God oversaw evolution, or perhaps he believes in the Catholicism of his childhood: that the world was created as it is presently. I'm sorry but I don't know what your issue is here.
I would argue that people are correct to characterise the likely desires, and how they differ, for children especially. Consider children's toy marketing. It isn't sexism, or assigning a role to the children: it's based on market research and what boys and girls want to play with.
With regards to your parents' influences, that was your parents. You're right to an extent when you say males and females have different sets of expectations at all stages of life - it's true, but a large part of WHY it's true is because males and females reliably make different decisions.
>well defined in the past as a mental illness
What do you mean by this? by whom? A lot of things have been well defined: blacks being intellectually inferior to whites, women being intellectually inferior to men, native americans being savages etc.
Also, I'm curious, are there cases of people being 'cured' of their gender dysphoria? Not saying that means it isn't a mental illness, just genuinely curious, as it would be interesting to read about.
also nice lucky trips
Okay, so your point is that he merely lacks the social and interpersonal skills to translate the debating style he learned at university into a less formal, less point-scoring based, style of interaction. I don't think that makes him 'overqualified' for anything. I think that makes him highly intelligent (which I never denied he was) but socially retarded.
The DSM, as well as practicing psychologists. I mean well defined in a medical sense and fitting the practice's definition of mental illness.
I refer to its historical definition because its present status as a mental illness has been sabotaged by gender ideologues who are not practicing psychologists.
I forget tbh. I believe it was around the time the US legalized it nationally. He wrote something about it on twitter calling them degenerate freaks. I think he doesn't approve of it morally, but he feels the need to approve of it legally to try and remain logically consistent with his libertarian-leaning views.
It all comes back to statistical averages. It's most likely that the rest of the population will follow such paths, and so your parents directed you to such paths such that society would be most likely to integrate you into its ranks. It's an instinctual survival behavior to follow the group so that you can reap the rewards of like-minded community.
No I wouldn't argue it's sexism, or even something intentional, but it is certainly a marketing dichotomy that exists.
but theres my problem...I feel like it always ends up a chicken or the egg argument. Do the market and culture simply respond to the innate desires of the people or are people perpetually shaped and defined by the archetypes set up by previous generations, thus satisfying the stereotypes? This is why I can never seem to come down on either side of the issue.
Either way, thanks for the good discussion anon, I'm actually enjoying a debate on /b/
gender is. it exists. it is observable. denying it, denying objective truth, in favor of wanting or a perceived feeling of being the other gender is nothing more than that: a perception, an illusion, a thought, a daydream, a whim. what it "means" to be male or female, what these people latch on to and identify with are nothing more than social constructs, social roles, traditional behaviors and characteristics. those things are not what it means to be male or female. male and female are defined and observable, gender roles are constructions and flexible. thats just how it IS.
No my friend, the way that arguing works is that once you get far enough along, you have to assume knowledge of previous arguments that have occured.
What he is doing with the sexuality thing, is choosing to provide the long-winded path which leads to the eventual conclusion that he supports, rather than just pulling it out of his ass and making a ham of it.
Certain concepts become so advanced that knowledge of other related concepts is a pre-requesite, and unfortunately he cannot teach Rogan his interpretation of homosexuality and it's place in a person's mantra in the space of a 2 minute question.
He is overqualified because he covers his bases, expecting, as he should, a furious cross-examination after the fact. This is where he burns the feminists, they try to alter complex ideas into easy to comprehend without prior knowledge concepts, and fail miserably to maintain the core intricate pieces of their original argument.
So he outsources these things, as anyone who is attempting to prove anything at his level should, and while this may appear "boring" or "socially inept" to the average onlooker, it insultes him from ever being catagorically or factually wrong, as so many of his counterparts often end up being.
The same can be seen often of some of the scientific critisisms of Richard Dawkins, because they are simply too quiet and straightforward for the average person to realise what just happened.
Oh, sonny, those were crazy times. My friends and I were out of control.
We used to give each other wet-willies and funny arm. We'd play dandy-balls and legs-a-spread and penis-butt. It was gay. Everyone was. But, back then, we were called pole-fancies. It was real, good old-fashioned "grab the nearest tree and hold on for dear life" gay, not today's fancy, featherbed, thread-count gay. People got hurt back then!
Ultimately, society is shaped by both. Unless a radical shifting occurs in either for some reason (like a shocking societal event) they remain in a pseudo-equilibrium. We are products of our environment, and our environment is the product of our predecessors.
I suspect the two feed off of each other, in terms of expectation for the individual affecting the desires of the individual and therefore what they expect of others. Consistent expectations would be very likely create a feedback loop.
My stance on it seeming innate to me is how consistent the differences are in male and female decision making. Average decisions - from toy choice, career path and how they treat members of the opposite sex - in cultures which have very little in common seem to be well replicated.
Yeah I mean I don't think that our society is this malevolent omniscient being that is trying to damage the young. Sure my parents and peers wanted the best for me and laid out a path for me as such, but I wonder what if the path laid out for me hadn't suited me?
Is it wrong to be critical of the society for selectively integrating its members? Is it wrong to try to redefine your societies standards to be more open to potentially productive members and not deny membership based on sexual presupposition? What makes a transgender person undeserving of integration? Lack of reproduction? Differing lifestyle and background? They could potentially be capable and productive in other areas, though.
Obviously not, otherwise I would know better than to engage in a topic that is so obviously skewed by emotion.
The fact, however, that you have called me autistic for explaining this phenomina precisely, and Milo socially inept for citing research instead of pulling opinions out of his ass on camera, leads me to ask you a serious question;
Are you underage, or lacking any sort of further education?
It isn't wrong to question the system. By the laws of averages, it works. It certainly isn't wrong to want to pick your own life, and maybe if you have children of your own you can raise them that way.
What is wrong is the 'progressive' people who want to burn it to the fucking ground.
'Integration' into a society is more complicated, so I won't pretend to know much about the obstacles for friendship and relationships for people who do have gender dysphoria or a related issue.
I think 'transgender' people will suffer socially as a result of their condition, certainly, as the way people treat each other is often tied in with their respective genders. On top of that, they either deliberately or passively make genders important in their social lives as they have made a major decision to change their own.
So they end up with poor integration into society and poor relationships because they force the issue of gender into the equation while simultaneously making it difficult for people to engage with them.
Society is multi-faceted. There is nothing preventing trans-genders from entering into one of the sub-cultures and nothing preventing them from contributing to the greater effort of the species. The only barrier is the natural human behavior of preventing the dissimilar of COMPLETELY integrating into what is essentially the human hive-mind. It's similar to the uncanny valley, but instead of being rejected entirely in disgust (like robots) we just don't seek to associate with them.
If Milo is a part of the Alt Right then why does he not seek a country for White people without the wonderful enrichment of non-Whites?
I bet he is the type to literally fuckbutt White people for wanting to NOT BE CULTURALLY ENRICHED.
Jared Taylor is literally the Alt Right's only hope.
Here's a relevant paper I just found, you might find it interesting:
I never called you autistic. You're obviously more familiar with Milo's work than I am. I was only referring to the Rogan interview. And, from what I can see, Rogan asked him for an opinion, a feeling. Not a reference. This aside, I take your point that - if that is the only way Milo knows to explain something (by citing an essay) - then so be it. Rogan should have let him continue. However, you really need to stop elevating him to this status of infallible intellectual. In that same interview, he also claimed that societies without a Judeo-Christian heritage were morally lesser; and that all morality stems from the Bible.
Thanks, I don't have much of a background in the subject so I'll take the opportunity to read up on it.
After running my mouth about it as if I know what I'm talking about, that is.
Interesting case study on the Koreans, but the premise and cited studies support what I was saying earlier about some of the described phenomena seeming consistent.
You don't need to be mentally ill to be a Queen, shitlord.
Also stop caring so much about gender identity. It's nebulous and vapid.
>But now, I am feeling myself drawn
who gives a fuck? stupid woman misandry stupid man misogyny, can both fuck off and die
jst shut up, ignore the insecure retards, and put these ideas in ur head: cool dudes, cool chicks, good men, good women, good whatever
An opinion still needs to be justified bro, hence Milos rush to do so. As Milo gave his opinion, that he didn't want to be gay, and when asked to elaborate in the context of self-hatred he cited a work which he thought did a better job than he could in that time. Rogan was asking for more depth than just a basic opinion, he was asking for justification.
He is an infallible intellectual, just as any true intellectual is, as his statements can only be attacked by attacking the peer-reviewed studies that he cites, this is how intellectuals work, no one is retarded enough to go totally off-script and just start giving their own opinion on basic and ill-defined concepts, the build a framework off of other people's work and then use that safety net as their lens. Welcome to the modern world.
He goes on to say that from a relative perspective of morality, and he is correct that all of our current western societies' morality stems from Judeo-Christian teachings, while he is more than aware of his own moral limitations which he goes into in other interviews. Again, as with anything worthwhile, background knowledge is required for accurate interpretation.
I am out though man, as I need to sleep.
I wish you luck in the future, and would advise you to rather suspend judgment in the lack of research next time. You will come off as far smarter to anyone in the know.
>What is wrong is the 'progressive' people who want to burn it to the fucking ground.
Understandably, the system undoubtedly exists for a reason. Pushing massive cultural shifts in a short span of time can be harmful to stability and create dissonance and discontent among those who disagree. But if over the course of longer periods of time people were to be "educated" (not really sure if conditioned might be a better word here) to be more accepting of non-traditional genders, is it not possible for them to be more welcomed? We've already seen great changes in prevailing attitudes towards the gay community in the past 20-30 years, massive upheaval in regard to attitudes towards African Americans in the past 60-70 years, and practical redefinition of traditional male-female gender roles in the past 100 years.
Curious what you think anon, do you think it's possible for transgender people to be more suited to function socially in future generations? Or do you see humans as incapable of accepting those different from us (especially statistical anomalies) among our ranks?
i knew it could only last so long before that
Certainly I suspect tolerance for transgender people will increase, as it becomes more and more mainstream and younger generations are raised to consider it normal.
I still maintain there are obstacles to them having normal relationships. Interpersonal bonding occurs in the context of gender.
Men and women respond differently on average to the same treatment, and will form friendships based on different criteria.
As such, with a different gender context, there's a natural obstacle to forming relationships with these people.
I would rather see the tolerance of the future being cultivated on the basis of tolerance and better understanding of mental illness in gheneral, but this is an opinion with personal bias that I won't deny. I maintain that gender dysphoria and similar are mental illnesses as I mentioned prior.
Things will get 'better' for transgender people in the social context, yes, as we continue to be conditioned to accept them as normal and people have better context to frame their interactions, or perhaps as gender roles are disestablished further and gender becomes less socially important. I find it disagreeable for other reasons.
Acceptance of transgender lifestyle or 'transitions' is damaging to the trans individual. HRT is dangerous and causes permanent change; surgery is dangerous and causes permanent change; dysphoric individuals may have reduced or no symptoms in the future.
As a footnote to this, I neglected to mention the high post-operation suicide rate of trans individuals. It's not possible to derive their reasoning for obvious reasons, but I suspect it is a mix of poor acceptance from their peers in addition to it being a poor medical / personal decision for the medical reasoning I provided early and the permanence of the transition. The dysphoria isn't necessarily permanent whereas the transition is.
I do not condone physical and hormonal solutions for people with mental disorders but are physical and hormonally healthy, as there is considerable personal risk. This is my amateur opinion, not the recommendation of a professional.
Well, I'm not likely to listen to you if you don't even give me a good reason to.
Write my suicide note for me, fam.
>I would rather see the tolerance of the future being cultivated on the basis of tolerance and better understanding of mental illness in gheneral
Hmm interesting ideas, definitely things I need to mull over. Ive gotta peace out to study for finals, but thanks for the discussion
also image is relevant
Jews push non-White immigration on us but even when citizen in our countries they call for homogeneity in Israel? What of Russia how come Jews can't pressure Russia?
Image is funny and I am certainly opposed to those who wish to wreak social change by force, as well as the whole trans and PC brigades, especially where they overlap. Identity politics is cancer, and seeing these people justifying their existence on the basis of their labels and not their (lacking) merit sickens me.
These fucking morons seem to lack the capacity to understand that other people make their own decisions based on their own reasoning and there are real obstacles to human acceptance that won't be shouted down. Forcing the matter will generate more animosity.
I enjoyed the discussion as well. Good luck with your shit.
Hates his own sexuality? Dude. He loves that shit. I've never seen someone so open and comfortable with their own sexuality.
And are you really upset that the dude found something he enjoys, is successful at, and makes him a fantastic living? I'd say someones Peanut Butter and Jealous.
If THEY WANT THERE PROMISE LAND TO LAST WHY ANTAGONIZE OTHER PEOPLE?!!! !!! They HAVE their promise land tell them to GET THE FLIP OUT OF OUR MEDIA PUSHING THEIR SJW GARBAGE!
When do we have enough Blks in our country?